Transcript #123

MuggleCast 123 Transcript


Show Intro


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[Show music begins]

Micah: Because Andrew’s anger is about to go through the roof, this is MuggleCast Episode 123 for December 9th, 2007.

[Show music continues]

Andrew: Good December, ladies and gentlemen. We’re back for another week on the show and Matt and Micah are here.

Matt: Hi.

Micah: Hey.

Andrew: We are down to the bottom of the barrels, so to speak, when it comes to MuggleCast ho-hosts. [laughs]

Matt: Awww.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: You’re sweet.

Andrew: Ho! Ho! Ho! I’m in the merry mood. Everyone has given up on the show at this point. Laura is studying for finals. Eric is touring New Zealand for the eighteenth billionth time before he leaves. Jamie is finishing up school. Ben is busy. Kevin is nowhere to be found, and it’s just a mess. And I have to wonder when people like Laura skip out on the show for one week, just because of finals. Matt has finals next week, but is he dropping out? No! I have finals in two weeks! Am I dropping out? No! We don’t turn off our MuggleCast recording boxes just because of finals, like Laura does. What is wrong? [sighs]

Matt: Well, I don’t really care about my finals because I’m failing my class anyways, so…

Andrew: Exactly. Me, too. But we have a great show for everyone today. I’m Andrew Sims.

Matt: Mhm. I’m…

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Matt: Dammit!

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Were you cutting me off like the one time I go second in 123 episodes?

Matt: You went before me last time. I always thought you liked going last.

Micah: Oh, so you want to go first this time? Go ahead.

Matt: You want sloppy-seconds? Fine.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

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News


Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum is in the MuggleCast News Center with the past week’s top Harry Potter news stories. Hey Micah!

Micah: All right, thanks Andrew. Actor Alan Rickman, who plays Severus Snape in the
Harry Potter films, has recently donated two of his autographed scripts from Goblet of Fire, a signed headshot, and a Hogwarts Quidditch shirt to an online charity auction. This auction is to support Artists for a New South Africa, which mainly strives to advance human and civil rights in South Africa, among other many objectives. Bidding ends on December 14th.

Jim Hill Media, a new website blog that we should be getting used to hearing from for theme park updates, has a new entry which reveals construction is now underway to prepare the area. It says:

Well, once it’s been determined that the Universal Orlando Resort has a level working surface which will actually be to support the weight of this several-hundred-ton structure (Which is quite a concern in sinkhole-prone Central Florida), then construction can then begin in earnest on Hogwarts Castle. With first the footings & foundation work getting underway in January, which will then be followed by vertical construction on this enormous show building in the late winter or early spring of next year.

Additional updates and construction photos can be found on Jim Hill Media. As construction moves along, you can be sure to find the latest updates and complete information in the Theme Park section of MuggleNet.com.

Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson, and Rupert Grint were all named some of the top earning “20 under 25” stars according to Forbes magazine. Dan took the top honors for the male actors, landing the countdown at number six, racking in $15 million. Emma came in 15th with $4 million along with co-star Rupert, closely following at number 16. E! Entertainment will have a one-hour special on this countdown on Saturday, December 22nd, at 6 PM Eastern.

And having shot a special piece on Wizard Rock back in June, MTV has now released a Top 10 list of their favorite Wizard Rock bands.

Finally, on Barbara Walters’ 10 Most Fascinating People of 2007 special, J.K. Rowling was named the number one most fascinating and “magical” person of the year.
The Harry Potter author also recently updated her site to recap the four months since the release of Deathly Hallows, answer questions surrounding “Chapter 35, King’s Cross”, and provide information on Harry and Dudley’s relationship as well as the elder wand.

That’s all the news for this December 9th, 2007 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Andrew: All right, thank you, Micah.

Micah: You’re welcome, Andrew.

Andrew: I’m going to yell this entire show because I’m really frustrated at the lack of co-hosts. Ah! [Takes deep breaths]

Micah: I think you need to calm down a little bit.

Matt: Just a little bit, dude.


News Discussion: Wizard Rock


Andrew: I’m really worked up. MTV published a list of the “Top Ten Wizard Rock Bands” this week, and it sort of sent the wizard rock community into a frenzy because the wizard rock community does not like picking favorites, so to speak, and then MTV comes out with this list, and you know MTV is sort of seen as the face of the teenage music generation, so to speak, and not many people were too happy about it. I guess the ten bands that did get featured were happy about it, but do you think this was a good idea for MTV?

Matt: I don’t think MTV really cares.

Andrew: [laughs] Probably not. They’re all corporate. And the list showed some wizard rock bands that we’re friends with, notably the Remus Lupins, Alex Carpenter and the gang. Who else do we got? Harry and the Potters, the Moaning Myrtles, the Owl Post, the Whomping Willows, you know, all good bands.

Matt: Yeah. Who got number one?

Andrew: Oh, well yeah, that’s the one thing. The band who got number one isn’t even – I’m pretty sure it’s not even officially a wizard rock band. Switchblade Kittens?

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: They didn’t start as a – don’t laugh, come on.

Matt: Sorry.

Andrew: Come on, shhh. [laughs] Switchblade Kittens. They started as a band that has nothing to do with Harry Potter, then when their second album was released, it was about Harry Potter. So they got in this top ten list – I guess they got number one just because of how professional their albums are. It is a very professional studio feel if you give them a listen. However, they’re not a real wizard rock band, and I seriously doubt they’re the most popular. So, whatever. I don’t think MTV did all their research on that one.


News Discussion: The Trio’s Earnings


Andrew: But, in other news, the Trio were three people out of a long list of people who were named the Top Young Entertaining Earners, if I sentenced that right. Dan Radcliffe was, of course, number one. He has earned 15 million, and the article says that that’s more than performers twice his age like Jennifer Aniston and Sandra Bullock. And Emma Watson and Rupert Grint both earned four million apiece.

Matt: So Dan earned 15 million, and Emma and Rupert just got four?

Andrew: Yeah, four apiece, despite the fact that in my opinion, they’re just as important…

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: …as Dan.

Matt: The three are irreplaceable at this point. They were pretty much irreplaceable after the first movie.

Andrew: Right. Yeah. Then a few weeks ago, or a few months ago I should say, there was even some controversy that Emma Watson was holding out for more money.

Matt: [laughs] Oh.

Andrew: I mean, WB would never ever let her go! [laughs] That would shake up – if you’re going to let her go, heck, let Dan Radcliffe and Rupert Grint go. You’re already screwing up the trio; it just would not be complete.

Micah: Well you know what it was really, is that Ben – Ben wouldn’t allow that to happen. So…

Andrew: [laughs] Ben would not let that happen, that’s right.

Micah: He has so much pull too. I mean, come on guys.

Andrew: Yeah. Speaking of pull, Andy McCray had just joined us.

Andy: Good morning, slash afternoon.

Andrew: Good morning, Andy. What time is it over there in Australia?

Andy: It’s 1 p.m., Friday.

Andrew: Ah nice. Wow, you are – God.

Matt: You are God.

Andrew: Are you guys just like living in one big time machine or something? How do you possibly live in the future?

Andy: It’s pretty good; I actually know what happens to you tomorrow. So, it’s good.

Andrew: Really? Wow.

Andy: Yep.

Andrew: What happens to me?

Andy: You put this show out, and everyone downloads it.

Andrew: Oh, wow. That’s weird, because I usually don’t put the show out until Sunday.

Andy: Hmmm.

Andrew: What is my future self thinking!

[Andrew and Matt laugh]


News Discussion: The Golden Compass


Andrew: Anyway. There wasn’t really any much other news this week. However, we did want to mention that The Golden Compass was released on Friday. And there has been a little controversy following this book, just like Harry Potter. Right, Matt?

Matt: Yeah. Well, not only Harry Potter but like, The Da Vinci Code, and any other movies?

Andrew: No. Well.

Matt: I would say maybe – well yeah. Whenever there’s religion even plugged into a movie, there’s going to be some kind of boycott.

Andrew: Now, has anyone here read The Golden Compass?

Micah: No.

Matt: No.

Andy: No, sorry.

Micah: I was thinking about it.

Andrew: Well apparently it hits religion more than Harry Potter does, and apparently in the book, the plot involves trying to kill God, or trying to kill a god in the books.

Matt: Right.

Andrew: So that’s of course stirred a lot of controversy. Much more than Harry Potter should be getting.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: I mean, if you know, Harry was trying to kill God, if Jo called Lord Voldemort, “God” and Harry was trying to kill God, then yeah there would be a problem. But heck The Golden Compass is even worse. We have an article here that covers the controversy over the movie release. And, in the movie, I quote the article, “in the movie, the organization is tearing away people’s…” is that demons? What is that word?

Matt: Yeah, it’s daemons.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Matt: It’s pronounced daemons.

Andrew: “In the movie the organization is tearing away people’s daemons, or souls, to see what happens. Several groups are in opposition to the mysterious organization and many detractors think that the story is an allegory of the Catholic Church. So, obviously it is still going to be released in theaters it is still going to be big. It looks good though.

Matt: Yeah, it looks – yeah.

Andrew: I mean, look at the cast. James Bond is in it, that is an automatic win.

Matt: Yeah, that’s good.

Micah: Which James Bond?

Andrew: The guy who plays – I forgetting his name right now.

Andy: Daniel Craig?

Andrew: Daniel Craig, yeah.

Micah: The more recent one, then.

Andrew: Yeah, well you know. The current Bond, Daniel Craig, is in it. And who is the actress co-starring with him?

Matt: Nicole Kidman.

Andrew: Yes, Nicole Kidman. Yes. So it looks like a good movie. Who here is going to go see it? Who here wants to see it?

Andy: Why not? Sounds good.

Matt: Well, I am fairly curious. Yeah, looks good. New Line Cinema, from Lord of the Rings.

Andrew: Yeah. I don’t know…

Micah: On all the previews I see fighting polar bears, so you know, that has to equate to good movie time.

Matt: Oh, yeah man.

Andrew: Not only a fighting polar bear, a talking polar bear.

Micah: Oh wow!

Matt: With armor!

Andrew: I think it is the same one from LOST.

[Andy, Matt and Micah laugh]

Andy: Is there a big black cloud in it as well?

Andrew: Yeah, it’s like all this random stuff.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: I hear the polar bear actually looks real in The Golden Compass compared to LOST, though. So, that should be something to see.

Matt: Did you guys go on The Golden Compass website to find your Daemon?

Andrew: No.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: What happens?

Matt: Anybody else?

Micah: Not yet.

Matt: Am I the only dork who did it?

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Clearly.

Andrew: Yes.

Matt: Well, mine is…

Andrew: So did you find your daemon?

Matt: I did, it is a jackal.

Andrew: Oooh. Is your daemon the equivalent of your Patronus?

Matt: It is supposed to be your soul on the outside, I think. I am not going to be sure because I don’t want everyone e-mailing and yelling at me for getting it wrong, but I know that your daemon is usually of the opposite sex.

Andrew: Oh.

Matt: I guess maybe it is like your other half or something, maybe? I don’t know.

Andrew: But, what if you are gay?

[Andy laughs]

Matt: Well…

Andrew: No seriously.

Matt: …it is probably a phoenix. Just like Dumbledore.

[Everyone laughs]


Happy Birthday Jamie


Andrew: Well said. Well said. Anyway, moving on to some announcements now. Hey, guess whose birthday it is?

Matt: [in a British accent] Hello, mate.

Andrew: [laughs] Yes. Jamie Lawrence turns 21. The big 21 turning on Friday. Happy Birthday, Jamie. Too bad he cannot be here. Guess what he is doing on his birthday?

Micah: I don’t think that is allowed to be said.

Matt: Yeah, I don’t…

Andrew: Why not? It’s legal in England.

Micah: Oh. [laughs]

Matt: Well, it is legal here. [whispers] But we do not talk about it.

Andrew: Oh true. It is, yeah. He is legal in the U.S. now. Although technically he has been legal in the U.S. since July 12th.

Micah: Yeah, that’s true.

Matt: What?

Andrew: Because on English driver’s licenses the date format is backwards.

[Andy laughs]

Andrew: It’s day, month, year rather than month, day, year.

Matt: Oh, that’s right.

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: So, not that I am going to suggest anything about posing as a 21-year old in the United States if your birthday is July 12th. However, if someone where to look at his ID in the United States, they would think he was born July 12th, 1986? 87?

Andrew: 86, yeah.

Matt: 86.

Micah: So, basically the Americans are…

Matt: Stupid.

Micah: …stupid.

Andrew: Stupid, yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Matt: Exactly.


Portus


Andrew: Now, don’t forget that we don’t have any updates, but we want to remind everyone that Mugglecast will be at Port – Portus…

Matt: [laughs] Yeah, pork.

Andrew: At the Potter Podcast Polusa, at Portus, Peter Picked a Peck of Peppers Pickle! Uh, what was so funny Matt?

Matt: Uh, I thought you said “pork.”

Andrew: Pork! We’ll be at Pokus 2010! No, we will be at Portus 2008. There will be a great time podcasting. There is going to be a whole night of podcasting at Portus. Visit hp2008.org for more details. Register today so we can see you there. It’s going to be a lot of fun. It is going to be in Dallas, Texas.

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Muggle Mail: Dudley and The Tea Cup


Andrew: All right, now it is time to move on to Mugglemail.

Micah: The first e-mail comes from Clint, age 11 from North California.

“Dear MuggleCasters: Hey, guys. I’m somewhat of a new listener to the show, and I really like Chapter-By-Chapter. It’s a great way to find out the little things that you’ve missed in the books. However, in the latest MuggleCast, #122, which I thought was a very good one, I thought you left out one important part in Chapter Two, In Memoriam. It was the part when Harry steps on the tea cup that Dudley left for him. Since Harry saved Dudley from the dementors and Dudley saw what he really was, Dudley started being nicer to Harry. He didn’t taunt him at all through Book 6. This just shows that Dudley really does have a kind heart deep down. The tea wasn’t much, but it’s the thought that counts. This is just another little fact, and I know it’s hard to fit everything in. Thanks for taking the time to read this. Love the show, Clint.”

Andrew: We actually, Micah I think that you and Laura both thought about this, but then we just didn’t get to it.

Matt: Well, is it really even relevant in that chapter yet?

Andrew: No, it isn’t relevant…

Matt: In the next chapter…

Andrew: It’s…

Matt: In that chapter you believe that it’s a booby trap or something. You don’t think that he’s doing it to be nice.

Micah: Right.

Andy: Right.

Andrew: Yeah, that is true. Yeah, so I guess we will discuss that in a little bit once we get to Chapter-by-Chapter today. Can I just say, Clint is 11 years old if he’s not lying about his age, and he’s a pretty good writer for an 11-year-old.

Matt: He’s the best writer.

Micah: Yeah, I was going to say that.

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: Most people leave out words, create sentences that don’t make a whole lot of sense, but his was pretty well written.

Andrew: Right. Actually, he spelled “heart” wrong. He spelled it h-a-e-r-t.

Micah: Well, we’ll give him a break.

Matt: But he spelled “memoriam.”

Andrew: Well, yes.

[Matt laughs]


Muggle Mail: Twilight Series


Andrew: The next e-mail comes from Meghan, 20, of Stillwater, Oklahoma. She writes in response to our discussion on Twilight last week.

“I’m listening to episode 122 right now and I thought I would comment about the Twilight series. This series is very popular, and I heard about it from the former MuggleCast Fan Forums. I do not think that Twilight will ever take the place of Harry Potter because many people have never even heard of this series, I know I hadn’t until I joined the forums, and many stores did not have the huge release parties for the third book in the series like the stores have done for Harry Potter releases. However, I do think it is interesting to note that often times on the forums we would have random discussions about the Twilight series way more often than we would about Harry Potter. I even pointed that out once on the forums. When I pointed it out most people told me that while it is true that we are slowly gravitating towards the Twilight series, Harry Potter will always have a special place in their hearts. Anyways, I just thought I would offer the perspective of a deeply loyal Harry Potter and Twilight fan. I love the show. Meghan.”

Matt: Hmmm.

Andrew: So, I wouldn’t – I mean, if they’re starting to gravitate to Twilight, great, but I don’t think that the fandom as a whole is gravitating towards any other series.

Matt: A lot of – I think it’s mostly just the girls, will go to the Twilight. I mean, I read a little bit about what Twilight the series is about. It’s about a relationship between this – between a teenage girl and this boy who I guess is a vampire. Or something.

Andrew: Okay.

Matt: And there must be this endangerment to her now because I guess there’s something that’s against the – I don’t know what after that, but it seems like it’s kind of a romantic novel but with magic.

Andrew: Mhm.

Andy: Do they have mutual attraction?

Matt: Well, it’s not the mutual attraction that you think of when you first hear about it.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: It’s – I think the mutual attraction is more like they’re outsiders.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Andy: They’re daemons?

Matt: Yes.


Muggle Mail: More on Twilight Series


Andrew: However, Matt, Saul, 16, of Mason, Arizona would beg to differ about the whole only girls read Twilight, because he writes:

“I was listening to Episode 122 when you brought up the book Twilight. To quickly clear up any confusion, Twilight is a vampire romance novel.”

As Matt said.

“Following the story of Bella Swan and the troubles that have aroused between her and her love, Edward.”

Just like in Enchanted!

“Anyway, you guys said ‘not too many guys read Twilight. WRONG!”

In all caps.

Micah: Okay, one guy reads Twilight.

Matt: I know. It’s just one guy, okay.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: Wrong! One guy, at least.

Andrew: “I was reading these books before they got quote unquote big. The author happens to be the sister-in-law of one of my teachers, so she had the chance to visit our school. I threw this off and said, ‘So what?’ I regret this, because shortly after I began to read these books, and now love them. I soon found out that I wasn’t close to being the only guy. Many, many, many guys actually read these books. I personally don’t read them for the romance, but for the adventure and suspense. So, sorry, but you’re wrong here. While most of the guys don’t read them, many still do. Will it take away from Harry Potter? I won’t lie when I say it can come extremely close to it. Twilight is quickly becoming the number one fan fiction, and even threw Harry Potter off of the number one bestseller list. I doubt that it will amount to the size of our fandom, which I will forever be loyal to, but this is certainly becoming something huge. Conclusion, yes, guys like this book, and it’s not just that Dumbledore liked guys, either.”

[Andrew and Andy laugh]

Andrew: Good point, good point. Okay. I don’t know if I can still agree with that whole Twilight is becoming big because I hadn’t heard of it before last week’s show.

Micah: Well, it’s interesting – last week all four of us were pretty sure we hadn’t heard of it before. I think Laura was the only one who had. So…

Matt: And she had only heard of it because of her friend.

Micah: Yeah.

Matt: A friend of a friend’s cousin’s sister’s hairdresser’s…

Micah: And this kid is only promoting it because his friend’s sister-in-law is the one who wrote the book.

[Andrew and Andy laugh]

Andrew: On Amazon.com it has an average customer rating of four-and-a-half stars, so it’s definitely not a terrible book.

MuggleCast 123 Transcript (continued)


Muggle Mail: Elphias Doge


Matt: John, 15, from Oshawa, Ontario- what am I supposed to say?

Andrew: John, 15, from Oshawa, Ontario writes…

[Matt laughs]

Matt: Oh, okay. Sorry. John, 15, of Oshawa, Ontario writes:

“During the Chapter-by-Chapter segment you discussed (page 21, U.K./Canadian, page 15, American?) Elphias Doge’s article. When you discussed ‘our mutual attraction was undoubtedly due to the fact that we both felt ourselves to be outsiders,’ I noticed that no one mentioned that the attraction could have been to the school, and not each other. Everyone seemed to go straight to the relationship thing because Dumbledore is gay, which I’m fine with, he is, before any assumptions come into play. Anyway, I just wanted to know what you guys thought about my point of view. Keep on the great casting.”

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: I think Matt should just start reading email now because he adds character to it.

[Matt laughs]

Matt: I started trailing on…

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: I know.

Matt: Because my computer started dimming for a second.

Andrew: Oh.

Matt: I got a little disoriented.

Andrew: And you were like, “it could have been to the school and not each other.”

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s a good point. That’s a good point. I think that definitely could have been true.

Micah: I think we did discuss other things, didn’t we? I mean, it was kind of overridden by the other mutual attraction that we spoke about, but…

Andrew: By the way, I’m sorry about being immature last week. That was inappropriate of me.

Micah: That’s okay.

Matt: Yeah, that was pretty – that really hurt my feelings, Andrew.

Andrew: I don’t do it again. No, I hurt some listeners’ feelings. I feel bad now.

Matt: Awww.

Andrew: I need to grow up.

Micah: Because I think…

Andrew: Because I’m doing a Harry Potter show.

Micah: Yeah, really…

Andrew: Why should I be fun?

Micah: Come on. Last week, I remember Laura talking about how Dodge had Dragon Pox and so I thought mutual attraction had more to do with the fact that he was an outsider because he was diseased, at least in the beginning, and then Dumbledore was sort of his own person and probably didn’t fit in much with anybody. So, I think – we did kind of explore that side of it. So, that was all.


Chapter-by-Chapter: The Dursley’s Departing


Andrew: Okay. Let’s move on to Chapter-by-Chapter now. This week we’ll be talking about Chapter 3 in Deathly Hallows. It is The Dursleys Departing. Everyone open up their books.

Micah: Oh, man.

Andrew: And basically what happens in this chapter, to summarize real quick – Harry leaves the Dursleys’ house and the Dursleys feel a little emotional about leaving Harry. I mean, this is a big – this is another one of those – the big endings and…

Matt: This is one of the highly – highest anticipated chapters of the series.

Andrew: You think so?

Matt: Well, up until Book 7 – I mean, when everyone was waiting for Book 7 to come out. I think so.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah.

Matt: Everyone wanting to see what Aunt Petunia would do…

Andrew: Yeah. That’s true.

Micah: Yeah. I’ll agree with that.

Andrew: There was still a big question about Aunt Petunia.

Micah: And it couldn’t be a bigger let down.

Andrew: Right.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, we didn’t find out, though. But J.K. Rowling…

Matt: That happened later in the book.

Andrew: Actually, wait, now I’m remembering. She did address later in the web chat…

Micah: Right.

Andrew: That she had different plans for Petunia, but then she changed her mind.

Matt: Hmmm.

Andrew: So, anyway, we’ll go through our top five moments of the book this week that we do want to discuss.


Harry’s Treatment


Micah: The first thing that we can take a look at is, you know, Harry’s treatment, in this chapter in particular, is kind of reflective of the way he’s treated throughout the entire course of the series, whenever we see the Dursleys. And, you know, the main thing that takes place that kind of shows this is the conversation that he has with Vernon and sort of the exchange that they have with each other.

Andrew: Right. It’s very…

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: You get – you get a sense of the – the feeling that Vernon’s feeling, that this is the last time. It’s a sad goodbye and he’s feeling a little emotional.

Micah: You think he is? I don’t know.

Andrew: I think so.

Micah: I think he’s full of it, to be honest with you.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: I think he wants to get away from him as – as quickly as he possible can.

Andy: I think he’s more worried about his – oh, sorry. I was just going to say, I think he’s more worried about his and his family’s safety, rather than anything else.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: I think he’s just really, really, just uneased because he pretty much – he really has no control of the situation pretty much. And he’s trying his best to kind of grasp a little firm hand on something but he just – Harry keeps taking him down.

Andrew: Yeah, but I mean, the reason I say that it might have been a little emotional for him is because he did give Harry a handshake and it was sort of – Jo wrote it as if there was a little bit of an awkward moment there.

Micah: Well, didn’t he attempt to give him a handshake? I don’t think he actually did. I think he extended his hand…

Andrew: Yeah, I am trying to find it.

Matt: No, no. He just brought it – he lifted up his hand as if he was going to shake it…

Andrew: Alright, and then he swung it like a pendulum, I think Jo wrote.

Matt: Sort of like he backed down and swung it like a pendulum.

Andrew: So, I don’t know. I sort of just got the sense that he was feeling a little – it’s a big change. Obviously, at least Dudley was feeling something, so I would think that Vernon was too if – I don’t know.

Matt: Maybe he was just doing – you know, doing the formalities.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s true.

Andy: That’s possible.

Matt: It’s like saying goodbye to a family member even if you don’t…

Micah: Yeah. But I thought it was interesting that – he doesn’t even seem to believe anything that Harry says and that’s consistent, again, throughout the entire series. He’s going back and forth in this chapter with Harry about, “Oh, well, do we really have to leave? I don’t really think we have to leave. Why can’t somebody else protect us? Why can’t the ministry step in and…” I think it’s just more of his character than anything else that, you know, he’s hesitant whenever this topic is brought up as far as the magical world is concerned and he just doesn’t seem to put any trust in Harry whatsoever – that this is the right thing to do.

Andrew: But now’s the time – this final explanation that Harry gives him where he lays out all he details about how Voldemort will probably come and torture them and try and get information about Harry’s whereabouts. It’s finally like the nail in the coffin for Vernon to decide, “Okay, time to really get out of here. This is serious.”

Andy: It’s sort of like the two worlds coming together, really.

Andrew: Yeah. And it runs parallel even to Book 1. I mean, we talked about parallels and how it’s all symmetrical, how 1 can relate to 7, 2 to 6, 3 to 4, and 5 sort of parallel somewhere in there. You know, the Dursleys had to leave early on in the Sorcerer’s Stone. Now, in the final book, they have to leave again, but this time we don’t follow them and we don’t see them again, so it’s just another example of parallel in the series. Anyway, moving along.


Would Harry Save The Dursleys?


Micah: I guess we could – oh, well, we’ll just jump down and then we’ll go back. But during the conversation with Vernon, there’s a point where, you know, like you said they were talking about Voldemort and possibly him coming and torturing them to get Harry’s whereabouts. And there’s that moment in between the two of them where Vernon and Harry are wondering the same thing: would Harry actually come back to save the Dursleys if for any reason they got in danger?

Andrew: Right.

Micah: And I’ve always wondered that. And I think it would make a really interesting movie scene because you kind of have that interaction between – and I hope they keep it in because it’s kind of important, you know? It’s…

Andrew: Is it though? I mean – they always go for things that advance the plot, and that’s not really going to advance the plot.

Micah: You don’t think so? Well, I mean, you’re right. It’s not going to do anything to the plot because they don’t come back later in the movie. But I don’t know, I think it would be kind of interesting to see the interaction between…

Andrew: Yeah, probably. Vernon would probably give him like the big eye and the long stare that we’ve seen in Chamber of Secrets when he’s sort of looking upstairs all angry, trying to wonder what the hell is going on up there with Dobby.

Micah: Right.

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: I think he would though. I mean what do you guys think?

Andrew: Oh, Absolutely. Yeah, yeah – they’re family. I mean that’s his mother’s sister, and his cousin, and especially after this departure. Harry left the Dursleys on an okay note. I mean it wasn’t a rude departure like some of the past books have been, so I think that would be even another reason for Harry to come back and be like, “Okay, I got to save these guys. They’re my family.”

Matt: It’s probably just not the closure that everyone was intending for.

Andrew: What do you think everyone was intending?

Matt: That’s why.

Matt: Oh, probably like Petunia would fire her arms around Harry and say goodbye or something.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Or tell him something about his mother like she actually did love her sister. Which we kind of figured out at the end of Book 7 when we did the flash back.

Andrew: Right. Yeah, and we’ll talk about that at the end of this Top Five because we want to touch on where in this chapter where Petunia wants to say something to Harry, but she leaves. Go ahead.


Hestia and Dedalus


Micah: No, I was just going to continue on talking about when Dedalus Diggle and Hestia Jones show up to escort the Dursleys. It’s a lot of the same. It’s a lot of what we’ve seen before. Typical, you know, Dursley fashion of Vernon referring to both of them as “Harry’s lot” and that kind of thing. Just him being ignorant. Even though, Andrew, you were talking about before how this was supposed to be more of an emotional chapter. And he’s supposed to maybe be showing a little bit more compassion and really there are a lot of things that take place when those two were there that kind of show that in fact, Vernon’s the same old person after all.

Andrew: Oh yeah, and I think with tempers running high, especially in Vernon’s case, I think Vernon was looking for any excuse to get angry with these two random wizards suddenly coming into his house. Even though he knew they were going to arrive.

Micah: Right, and I think they were kind of taken a little aback when – I forget who it was that said it, but they refer to the Dursleys as “Harry Potter’s relatives,” as opposed to Harry sort of being a possession of the Dursleys, which he has been for so long. I guess they were almost insulted that they were referred to as something like that. Did you guys get the same thing?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.


Vernon’s Attempted Handshake


Micah: And we talked about Vernon’s attempted handshake, how he kind of went for it but then backed off. I thought that was a little bit messed up.

Matt: That’s pretty… But I thought that was pretty much as good as you were going to get from him.

Andrew: Yeah. It’s just like – I don’t know, you’re letting go of your nephew for the last time don’t – can’t – why not? Why not? And it seemed like nothing was going wrong as of late. Vernon has always been a little angry at him. I just don’t understand why…

Matt: Mhm. Maybe when he reached out his hand to start giving him a handshake, and all of the sudden he just started feeling really weird about it and just stopped.

Andrew: Yeah, because there’s always that awkward feeling you have with – maybe a family member you’ve been angry with or a friend and you don’t want to be nice to them to give them the wrong impression. [laughs]

[Pause]

Andrew: I speak from experience.

Micah: I was going to just ask that.

[Andy laughs]

Andrew: Not really, actually.

Matt: Or a high-five.

Andrew: Or a high-five.


The Dursleys Don’t Appreciate Harry


Micah: I mean, more of the same. Hestia Jones was shocked that the Dursleys don’t appreciate who Harry is.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: She seems taken aback by the whole fact. I think we’ve seen that happen at other points in the course of the series, where wizards who have come to the Dursley home, or even Hagrid in Sorcerer’s Stone when he finds out that Harry doesn’t know anything about his parents. It’s more of the same I guess. And then…

Andrew: That’s just an example of how these two wizards are coming in from the wizarding world and just walk into this muggle house, and they have no idea how the Dursleys act towards each other or towards Harry. So, I think there’s a reasonable excuse for them flipping out like they did. Just over Petunia when she consoled Dudley and not Harry.

Matt: I thought that was hilarious, I hope they put that in the movie. Because that’s going to be a funny scene.


Will This Make The Movie?


Andrew: Yeah, I wonder if this whole scene – maybe at the end of each chapter we should discuss if it’s all going to be kept in or not. That could be interesting to talk about too.

Micah: Right.

Matt: I’m afraid this may be cut really short if kept in at all.

Andy: Yeah, I reckon this is cuttable.

Andrew: Oh, I thought…

Matt: Technically it’s not really connected to the main plot of the story.

Andrew: Right. They cut it down so much; I mean the whole ending battle is going to have to take up half an hour alone!

Matt: Yeah, I’m afraid this chapter might be cut.

Andrew: Yeah, I mean they got cut from Order of the Phoenix and probably from Half-Blood Prince I don’t know, I know they haven’t been officially confirmed for being on board with the movie.

Matt: I think they may have put that in Half-Blood Prince just because it’s a weird place to start right after that scene in the movie.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah.

Andy: If you think back to the fourth movie there’s that sort of comical scene with the fireplace and they just got rid of that completely.

Andrew: Right. Oh, I loved that scene. I loved that scene, that scene was so good.

Matt: Mhm. Yeah, it was. Just wait another 80 years for the re-make.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] Yeah, anyway, moving onto point three now?


Dudley’s Reaction to Leaving Harry


Micah: Sure, I mean we’ve basically spent the first half talking about Uncle Vernon and we haven’t focused on anybody else. So I guess let’s talk about Dudley in this chapter because he’s really the one that shows the compassion. Nobody else does, so – I mean what do you guys think? He is the one who ultimately makes the decision to go with the Order. And Harry knows that since it’s him that’s making the decision, they’re going to be safe and they’re going to go because whatever Dudley says goes.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: And…

Andrew: You know, first I was really surprised by this scene and now thinking back on it – I think I even talked about it on our initial reaction show – I was just like, “What is this? This came out of nowhere. Why is Dudley suddenly like this?” But now realize in the grand scheme of things and the whole theme of this book, it’s just a big,nice good-bye from everyone. I think it was nice that it ended on this note.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: With Dudley finally realizing, finally being the person he should be, finally respecting Harry for who he is. Like we said – the tea cup. Dudley, maybe… Did it say in the book if he left it every morning? Or was it just that morning?

Matt: I don’t think so.

Andrew: Maybe it was just that morning because Dudley knew they were coming close to the end. But Dudley’s reaction is just amazing! He says, “Where’s he going to go? Why isn’t he coming with us?” And those were obvious questions, but it made me think that Dudley just wanted to stall, to sort of, maybe not to spend more time with Harry, but maybe try to convince or try to talk him into coming with him or something. Maybe it was just that Dudley felt safer with Harry by their side.

Micah: It’s possible.

Matt: Maybe, yeah. I mean you don’t really know much about him in Book 6. This could have been two years of soul searching or he may have realized that Harry is pretty good and he is a pretty good guy to be around or something.

Andrew: Yeah. Respect him, Dudley!

Matt: I know! The dude saved his life.

Micah: True.

Andrew: R-E-S-P-E-C-T!

Matt: Or, his soul. Sorry. His soul.

Micah: And plus, he’s lived with them for 17 years, or about that. I mean when you live with somebody for that long a period of time – plus they’re family, regardless – there’s still going to be some sort of connection between the two of them.

Matt: And that’s really nice to know that Harry has an actual relative that he’s friends with.

Andrew: Yeah, he could be friends with, exactly.

Matt: Or, at least be acquainted with.

Andrew: Right. That’s his only relative who is a friend, if you think about it.

Matt: On good terms with.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. I would consider them friends.

Matt: I don’t know. They’re family. You can’t be friends with your family.

Andrew: Yeah… Well, you can not like your cousins. Or you can like your cousins. Or be good friends with them.

Matt: Let’s just say they have a mutual attraction.

Andrew: Okay.

[Andy laughs]

Andrew: That’s a good way to put it. In a mature way. In a mature way.

Matt: Oh, yes.

Andrew: Let’s see – what else? Oh, Dudley said – this was my favorite line in the chapter. Dudley does not think Harry is “a waste of space.” That was the most surprising thing to me when he first said it. I was like, “What? Do you really believe that?” Then Dudley explains. I think Dudley was feeling all of this – is it fair to say that Dudley was feeling emotion in this chapter? Maybe Vernon wasn’t but Dudley was?

Andy: I guess so, yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Because Dudley was sort of, like I said – I sort of felt he was stalling or he was trying to get something more out of Harry, but you could tell Dudley was sad to see him go. He wanted Harry to come with. And he’s a friend of Harry’s and he loves him for saving his life.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: If you absolutely hate someone and then they save your life out of the kindness of their heart, even if they were the only one who knew how to or even if they were just there, you still love the person. You still have to give them a lot of respect.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: And I think at that point in time, Dudley realized that wizards can do cool things – powerful things that can change lives.

Matt: Mhm. Well not only that but – I mean – Dudley and Harry have lived in the same house their entire lives, and probably Dudley was afraid that this will be the last time he’ll ever see him.

Andrew: Right. Yeah.

Matt: And he’s – I mean – no matter how many times he kicked him or made fun of him or treated him poorly.

Andrew: Well, it’s all water under the bridge. Water under the bridge.

Matt: Yeah! And, you know, the fact that he probably will never see him again is probably not something that he likes to face.

Andrew: Right. You would get that feeling with any family member, I think. That’s a hard thing to comprehend.

Matt: Yeah. Because he’s his cousin.

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, any friend or family member, as long as you have some sort of connection to them. And when you realize you’re never going to see them? That’s sad!

Matt: Well, aren’t they the only relatives of their generation in their family? Does Dudley have any other cousins?

Andrew: I don’t think, not that we know of. You know, they’re not blessed like us. We have the wonders of iChat and Macs! What do they have? They can’t video chat with each other.

Matt: They have iChat?

Andrew: No, they don’t.

Matt: Oh, they don’t? I’m talking about Macs.

Andrew: Macs have iChat but wizards don’t have Macs, so they don’t have iChat.

Matt: Oh. Yeah, but they have Floo powder!

Andrew: A can’t equal B and B can’t equal C. A can’t equal C.

Matt: They can Apparate.

Andrew: This has been the “Matt and Andrew” show. Woah! Back to you Micah and Andy!

[Micah and Andy laugh]

[Awkward silence]

[Everybody bursts out laughing]

Micah: We don’t even know what to say anymore.

Andrew: I know.

Micah: We’re just so floored by that discussion.

Andrew: Well it started good. [laughs]

Matt: It was pretty sweet.

MuggleCast 123 Transcript (continued)


The Dementor Attack


Andrew: Was it the dementor attack that caused Dudley to act this way? Yes, right?

Micah: Yeah, sure. I think it would cause him to act that way. I mean, what else would? In all actuality, and I know we’ll talk about it in a minute with what J.K. Rowling said Dudley saw when he was attacked by the Dementors, but I think that that probably had the biggest effect on him and that probably caused his change. I mean Matt said before that we really didn’t see much of Dudley interacting with Harry in Book 6. So, he had a lot of time to think about what happened. I think in that time he probably realized the past treatment of him – of how he treated Harry was wrong. And it’s probably why we saw a different thing in this chapter in Book 7.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Andy: Well, like…

Andrew: But I mean – go ahead!

Andy: No, you go ahead.

Andrew: No, no, you! I insist.

Andy: All right. I was just going to say that I guess the dementor attack is the thing that made the whole thing really real. It was the first interaction that Dudley had between Harry’s world.

Andrew: That’s a good point.

Andy: It was real fear, not just talk. If that makes sense.


Do The Dursleys Know The Risk?


Andrew: Yeah, I think so. And I mean – but it’s so like – you know, you’re still losing your family member. As much as you may have despised them. And, you know, Petunia, as we’re going to get to in a minute, and Vernon, they’re all sort of weary about it. They weren’t too sure what to think, I think.

Andy: Do you…

Andrew: But…

Andy: Do you think they know there’s a possibility Harry’s going to die? Like a real possibility?

Micah: I think…

Andrew: Ummm…

Micah: …they might.

Andy: I wonder if that dawns on them.

Micah: I think Petunia does. Yeah. Maybe not the other two…

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: …as much.

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: And I don’t think – quite honestly, I don’t think that Vernon would care. I really don’t.

Andy: True.

Micah: I don’t really think he would. You know, he’s more concerned – like, even the stuff that he talks about in this chapter, you know, “Oh what is he going to do as far as a job? What is Dudley going to do as far as school is concerned when they go to another place?” I don’t think – despite this argument that it’s still family, I don’t think Vernon really gives a rat’s you-know-what about…

Andrew: Behind!

Micah: …Harry. Yeah. Exactly. I don’t think he cares about Harry. Maybe a little bit, but not enough to care where he’s going, or what he’s going to be doing.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: So, you don’t think he genuinely just deep down loves him, like you would a family member? Because like, everyone loves their family. You may not like a member of your family but you still might love them.

Andrew: Right. Especially one that you live with.

Matt: Who saved your life.

Andrew: Who is close to you.

Micah: Well, no, I’m talking about Vernon.

Matt: Who…

Andrew: Oh.

Micah: I mean, technically…

Matt: Oh.

Micah: …he is saving his life.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] Nevermind.

Andy: Does Vernon really ever see Harry as family?

Micah: No.

Andy: When it boils down to it?

Micah: Yeah, I don’t think so.

Andrew: Hmmmm.

Matt: Oh, I don’t think so.

Andrew: Yeah. He – yeah – he doesn’t give a rat’s behind and he’s just a pain in the butt. I mean think of all this – like when I was reading this chapter and, you know, they were telling Vernon what was going to happen, you know, how they were going to transport them, does Vernon really want to deal with that? I mean, I would be so ticked. I would be like, “Why did I take this guy in? Why didn’t I just leave him on a doorstep? Why did I bring him in? And now I had to deal with all this for so many years now.”

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: You know…


Petunia


Matt: I think – I think Harry’s situation was mainly die to Petunia. Because, I’m thinking that the night that they took him in, there was probably a quarrel between Petunia and Vernon. And she probably won that saying “he stays.”

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah.

Andy: If you remember…

Matt: Because she’s the one who said he stays in Book 5.

Andrew: Right.

Andy: Yea,h that’s what I was just going to say. If you remember in Book 5, Vernon told Harry to get out. So…

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, good point.

Matt: She may be the one who has the upper hand in the family, probably, you know?

Andrew: Oh, she’s definitely the dominant person…

Matt: Yeah, she’s…

Andrew: …in the relationship.

Matt: …the alpha…

Andrew: Female.

Matt: …lady. Yeah. Thingy.

Andrew: [laughs] Chick, gal.

Micah: She uses the whip.


J.K. Rowling on the Dementor Attack


Andrew: Now back to something that Micah did bring up earlier, what did Dudley see when he was attacked, and J.K. Rowling addressed this, she said: “I think that when Dudley was attacked by the dementors he saw himself for the first time as he really was. This was an extremely painful but ultimately salutatory lesson, and began the transformation in him.”

Matt: There you go.

Andrew: You know, whenever people have a – have a near death experience, it seems like that’s when they realize, you know, their place in the world. And that’s exactly what it was for Dudley. That was a near, near-death experience. I mean, you always hear those stories about people who are this close to death and then they, you know, survive and then they see the light.

Andy: You value your life more once you know it’s nearly taken away from you.

Andrew: Right, yeah, and especially the people who save you.

Micah: This, and I know Andy kind of touched on it before, but I think this made also everything real for Dudley. You know, the magical world up until this point, you know, the people he encountered weren’t necessarily negative people. But I think this kind of put everything into perspective for him.

Andy: Right.

Matt: Yeah.

Andy: Yeah.


J.K. Rowling on Petunia’s Parting Words


Andrew: And lastly, the final point we wanted to bring up today. Petunia wanted to say something to Harry before she left. She paused as she was walking out, she turned around, and she opened her mouth a couple of times, but then decided not to say something. And J.K. Rowling is quoted as saying: “I think that for one moment, she trembled on the verge of wishing Harry luck; that she almost acknowledged that her loathing of this, of his world, and of him, was born out of jealousy.”

Andy: Yeah.

Andrew: Since Jo didn’t realize they said earlier that Petunia wanted to go to Wizarding School.

Andy: Because we find that out later in the novel.

Andrew: Right. And… [sighs] You know, from Petunia I could’ve expected maybe a hug, because that’s the last part of…

Matt: Or just a pat on the back, even.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, or a wink.

Matt: A wink and a smile.

Andrew: Yeah, it was the last part of her family, of Lily. That was the last part of Lily, and then she just lets him go without saying a thing.

Andy: It’s a bit harsh.

Andrew: It is.

Andy: Doesn’t she have any sort of motherly feeling?

Andrew: Exactly, yeah. We did get a few listener e-mails this week, but now that we look back on it we actually did cover them all in all of this discussion. One came from Brittney, 13 of Las Vegas, one came from Robert Andereg, 17 of Odessa, Texas, and the last one came from Emily and Ashley, 16 of Missouri. So, thanks to them for e-mailing in, but we answered your question today. And thanks to everyone who’s been e-mailing in. Lots of feedback about this segment, and about future chapters, you know, so we have some extra things to talk about.


Quote Quiz


Andrew: Let’s get now to Quote Quiz [echoes “quiz”], or quote quote quiz quiz [echoes]. Do you guys get it? It’s like an echo, like we’re in a tunnel or something.

[Everyone laughs]

Matt: Oooh!

Andrew: I just cup my mouth when I go, “quote quiz quiz quiz.” I’m actually going to go into a tunnel and record that someday, it’ll be – it’ll sound pretty cool. This quote comes from Chapter 4, The Seven Potters. The quote is is is [echoes]: “Hold on, Harry, this’ll do for ’em.” “Hold on, Harry, this’ll do for ’em.” Who said that quote? And who was he talking to? [laughs]

Micah: What do you mean who was he talking to? [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] I know, it’s a joke, Micah, thank you. Anyway, next week we will be discussing The Seven Potters. It’s the chapter where Harry takes his big journey to safety. I think that was such a clever plan, I just loved reading that because it was so clever. It was so Jo.

Matt: It was fun. I’m really scared for that scene in the movie, though. They’re going to butcher it.

Andrew: Oh, oh! Heck yeah. Hedwig’s not even going to die.

Matt: [laughs] Just going to reprieve her character.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: In the distance, you’re just going to see like a cloud of feathers, just like burst in the air.

Andrew: Right.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, very small special effects in the background, just so they can keep it in. It’s going to be like five frames long. Nobody will notice, but then when everyone complains, WB will be like, “It was there. It was short but it was there.”

Matt: Just like – what was that character? Dobby? in Book 4, Movie 4.

Andrew: Yeah.

Andy: The camel-elf, or whatever it was.


Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul: Foreign Edition


Andrew: It’s time now for Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul: Foreign Edition!

Micah: Chicken Soup comes from Javed Mohammed, 21, of Trinidad and Tobago. He says:

“Hey, MuggleCasters, I’m probably the only Trinidadian listener you have, but then again I may be wrong. Anyway, I’d like to thank you all for the great job that you all are doing. The MuggleCast podcast has really opened up my eyes to the finer details of the Harry Potter series that I would have just skimmed across even if I had read them multiple times. The podcast has really made me appreciate the Harry Potter series much more, and I find myself telling others who read the books to listen to you guys (and gal) to get a deeper understanding of the books. Again, I would like to thank you all for the stupendous effort you place into this podcast, and keep up the good work, for it’s well appreciated worldwide.”

Andrew: I hate to burst your bubble, but you are not the only listener from Trinidad. I’m just searching my e-mail right now and it looks like there are maybe four other people.

Matt: It was still a heartwarming message, Andrew.

Andrew: Yeah, no, no, no, no! It was a very nice message, yeah, thank you for sending that in. I’m just saying there are a few listeners – we have listeners everywhere, it’s awesome! Can you guys believe you’re talking to people in Trinidad right now?

Andy: And Tobago.

Matt: Actually, yeah.

Andrew: And Tobago, and Germany, and Sweden, and Portugal, and Hawaii, and Pennsylvania.

Matt: [sarcastically] No!

Micah: Brazil.

Andrew: It’s amazing.

Micah: Don’t we have a lot of people from Brazil?

Andrew: Uh.. yeah.

Micah: I remember that for some reason. I don’t really know where I heard that from.

Andrew: Brazil, Australia. We got a big audience in, ummm – yeah, Germany.

Micah: Do we still get numbers and stuff from different countries, or no?


Top Countries That Listen to MuggleCast


Andrew: Yeah, we have statistics. Let’s see, I’m looking up the top
countries right now. We’ll go through them real quick for kicks.

Andy: Sweet!

Andrew: Number one, United States. Number two, Canada. Number three,
United Kingdom. Number four, Australia. Number five, Germany. Number six, Mexico. Number seven, Norway. Eight, India. Nine, [pronounces “swee-dee-an”] Sweden. [laughs] Sweden. Ten, China. Eleven, New Zealand. Netherlands. Ireland. Japan. Philippines. France. Singapore. Brazil. Denmark. And other countries. That’s the order.

Micah: That’s pretty cool.

Andy: Sweet.

Matt: Sweet.

Andrew: Yeah, people from everywhere! We should promote that – that survey link. Because that’s how we got those statistics and we haven’t had that link up for over a year. So, that’s probably very outdated. But it probably still follows the same pattern.


Contact Information


Andrew: Anyway, I think that just about does it for this week’s episode of MuggleCast, Episode 123. It’s time to remind everyone about our contact
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Show Close


Andrew: I want to say next week will be our DVD review show! [echoes] So, e-mail in your…

[Micah laughs]

Matt: Oh!

Andrew: What?

Matt: What DVD?

Andrew: The Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix two-disc DVD is coming out next week! A month after Australia and England got it.

[Matt laughs]

Andy: Ridiculous!

Andrew: Matt, will you be getting it?

Andrew: I know. It is.

Matt: Huh?

Andrew: Matt, will you be purchasing it on Tuesday, December 11th?

Matt: I may be – no.

Andrew: Really?

Matt: I don’t know. Maybe. It’s worth a shot.

Andrew: Okay, well we have a review show and if you want to be on it you’ve got to watch the DVD! How about you, Micah?

Micah: Yeah. Hopefully I get the deluxe edition this time because last time for Goblet of Fire I got the wrong one. So…

Matt: Oooh!

Andrew: Yeah. Hopefully you don’t delay seeing it or buying it for two months.

Matt: I think doing that the thing they did with the Goblet of Fire DVD. Like they have the one disc that just has nothing.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Andy: Who buys that?

Andrew: I know. Who does buy that? And it’s like a five-dollar price difference, too, it’s amazing.

Matt: I know.

Andrew: I remember when I bought Sorcerer’s Stone, I bought it on VHS.

Andy: Oh, so did I.

Andrew: I was like, “Wow, check out my…”

Matt: Wow!

Andy: I had to go replace it the other day. It wrecked my collection.

Andrew: Really? Did you buy a DVD?

Andy: Like one fat one. Because I’ve got like four DVDs and then this one fat box thing. Doesn’t look good.

Andrew: Oh, yeah. I know. I remember the deleted scenes were at the end of it, too, so you had to fast forward past the credits.

[Andy laughs]

Andrew: Like, “Wow, this is cool!”

Andy: [imitating a commentator] Wait until the end of this feature
presentation for a bonus scene!

Andrew: Yeah, exactly. They said it in that voice, too.

Micah: Yeah, that was actually pretty good.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Andy laughs]

Andrew: So, anyway. We will be reviewing the DVD next week. We might take a break from Chapter-by-Chapter unless we just make it a really long show. I’d rather lean toward skipping Chapter-by-Chapter for one week.

Micah: And one more thing.

Andrew: But…

Micah: Can I just…

Andrew: Well, hold on, let me finish this thought.

Micah: Okay.

Andrew: Send in any feedback you have about the DVD to mugglecast at staff dot mugglenet dot com so we can read your feedback about it.

[Show music begins]

Andrew: You know, comment about the special features, all that. I’m sure most of you will be getting it Tuesday, as will we, then we’ll review it later in the week and put the show our over the weekend.

Matt: Yay!

Micah: All right, I just want to say that we get probably close to about 5 or 10 e-mails every single week asking about older episodes.

Andrew: Yes.

Micah: And how people are new to the show and they can’t find older episodes. There’s an Episodes Section on MuggleCast.com.

[Matt laughs]

Micah: You can directly download all of our older episodes, so please go there to find them. We know that they don’t show up in iTunes. That’s because our feed is not big enough to house all the episodes.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: So, if you want older episodes of MuggleCast, go to the Episodes Section on MuggleCast.com.

Andrew: Yeah, the thing with the feed is that if you put too many episodes on it, the file gets too big and when every single person using iTunes is
checking that feed – iTunes checks the feed like every hour or so, so when you have, like, 50,000 people checking that feed every hour, that can run up a lot of bandwidth. So, we keep the file size smaller so that way we don’t have to, you know, worry about a lot of bandwidth being taken up.

So that does it for this week’s show. Once again, I’m Andrew Sims.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Matt: I am Matt Britton.

Andy: And I’m Andy McCray.

Andrew: Andy and Matt, thank you for joining us this week. We will see everyone next week for Episode 124. Bye bye!


Blooper 1


Andrew: Matt, I think Jonathan Malfoy, 12, of Nashville, would beg to differ, though.

Matt: Oh, really?

Andrew: Because he says in our next e-mail, “I would like to inform you that I will not be listening…” Oh, wait.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Did someone – wait…

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: I put an e-mail in here about – Micah, did you take it out?

Micah: No. I don’t even know where this e-mail came from.

Andrew: I am absolutely positive I put an e-mail in here from a guy listener that reads Twilight. Hold on one second. I starred it in my Gmail.


Blooper 2


Matt: I know.

Micah: Yeah, because I don’t act immature…

Matt: You’re an adult now.

Micah: …ever on the show. So, I’m – yeah. I can’t talk. But…

Matt: You’re not that 17-year-old kid whose voice breaks every two seconds now, Andrew. You’re now an 18-year-old man whose voice cracks.

[Phone rings]

Andrew: [gasps] Whose phone is that?

Matt: Cruz, your phone! Get it!

Micah: Oh.

Andrew: [laughs] We haven’t had a phone ring for like over one hundred episodes! We were on a roll! What happened?!

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Transcript #122

MuggleCast 122 Transcript


Show Intro


[Soft music plays]

Andrew: Hi, everyone. I’m Andrew Sims.

Laura: And I’m Laura Thompson. We’re both from MuggleCast, one of the Top Harry Potter podcasts online.

Andrew: As most of you may know, December 5th is Darfur Fast. On the day, thousands of students from all over the world give up luxury items like Starbucks drinks or something else that they get in their daily lives.

Laura: The situation in the Darfur region of Sudan is nothing short of disgusting. Millions have been driven from their homes into refugee camps, and even more have been killed in the mass genocide of the region.

Andrew: Darfur Fast is organized by the HP Alliance, a coalition of Harry Potter websites and wizard rock bands concerned with ending the genocide in Darfur. MuggleCast wants to help out. So, Laura and I are going to participate in Darfur Fast.

Laura: On December 5th, I will be giving up a Netflix movie subscription for the month of December. This will save 25 dollars and go to charity.

Andrew: And I, myself, am a huge Chick-Fil-A fan. I’ll be giving up the meals for a week, which in my school, also adds up to 25 dollars.

Laura: Together that 50 dollar donation will go to the civilian protection program, but we need your help.

Andrew: Visit TheHPAlliance.org/DarfurFast – all one word – and make a donation today.

Andrew and Laura: Thanks!

[Music changes]

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leading provider of spoken word entertainment. What are you listening to after today’s epis

ode? How about a free audio book download of your choice when you sign up. Log onto www.audiblepodcast.com/mugglecast today for details.

[Music changes]

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[Show music starts]

Micah: Because Laura is all about positioning, this is MuggleCast, Episode 122 for December 2nd, 2007.

[Intro music continues playing]

Andrew: Guess what? Chapter-by-chapter was met with reviews that weren’t negative, everyone.

Laura: Yeah. That’s so good.

Andrew: And I’m just going to go right out there and say Laura was not a fan of bringing it back.

Laura: Okay.

Andrew: Not a fan.

Laura: Okay, I wasn’t. Because of the reaction that it got last time. But, I think that it sounds like you guys really changed it up. So, I’ll be the first to step up and say I was wrong. I’m humble. I think that…

Andrew: So you were wrong and you were late.

Laura: I – okay…

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: Excuse me. For the past two years of my life…

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: …I can’t count the amount of times I’ve had to sit around and wait for all of you.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: So, because I was out being social on Friday.

[Andrew makes cat noise]

Laura: t’s not even 8:00 yet. So get over it.

Andrew: Okay, the night is young. I don’t go out until 1:00 AM every night. I’m out until, like, 8:00 in the morning Saturday.

Matt: Where do you…

Micah: And by out, you mean falling asleep.

Andrew: No.

Matt: No, where do you go?

Andrew: I go out. I go to parties.

Laura: Right.

Andrew: Wait…

Matt: You don’t know anybody.

Andrew: Wait, who are you mystery voice?

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Joining us this week, besides Andy. Hey, Andy.

Andy: Hey.

Andrew: Is Matt Britton, a MuggleCast transcriber, who’s not going to talk much, because the more he talks the more he has to transcribe. So…

Matt: Oh, that’s right.

Andrew: You’re not going to… [laughs] You’re not going to hear from him much. Matt, where are you from?

Matt: I’m from San Diego, California.

Andrew: That’s not where you’re from, though. That’s just where you are.

Matt: I swear I’m going to – okay, what do you want me to say?

Andrew: Never mind. That’s okay. So everyone, we’ve got a good show for everyone today. I’m Andrew Sims.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Andy: I’m Andy McCray.

Matt: And I’m Matt Britton.

[Show music continues to play]


News


Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum is in the MuggleCast News Center with the past week’s top Harry Potter news stories. Hey, Micah.

Micah: All right, thanks Andrew. According to an article in USA Today, Quidditch is the latest sport being played in colleges across the US. The first intercollegiate match was held earlier this month. One student from Middlebury College in Vermont said:

“Quidditch is one of the most creative things that came out of the books. We were able to create that here, follow all the rules, except the ability to fly. It just caught on.”

In order to make the game work, the Snitch is replaced by a young man, who runs around the pitch at “lightning speed” and, although the players obviously lack the ability to fly, brooms are still carried around for show; these in fact have been supplied by Alivan’s, MuggleNet’s primary sponsor. This modified version of the sport has been described as a cross between rugby, dodge ball and soccer.

On December the 13th, The Tales of Beedle the Bard, a book written by J.K. Rowling for The Children’s Voice charity, will be auctioned off by Sotheby’s.

And speaking of the Harry Potter author, the Trefoil House has received a signed copy of Deathly Hallows for auction. The book will be raffled as part of the annual Christmas Bonanza, an event where people can come and buy presents they would not normally find in mainstream shops. The event is being held at the Edinburgh Corn Exchange on December 4th and 5th.

Finally, Entertainment Weekly has placed Harry Potter film producer David Heyman at number nine on a list of the 50 smartest people in Hollywood. The article read:

“He has expertly steered the highest-grossing global franchise in film history. Heyman secured the rights to the Harry Potter books in 1997 and has done just about everything right since, including bonding with author J.K. Rowling and wisely seeking her input. He helped find unexpected directors , Alfonso Cuarón and David Yates, who’ve kept things fresh. And he’s kept the cast intact through five films, without any of his three teenage stars succumbing to a Lohanesque episode. While Warner Bros. president, Alan Horn, deserves credit for making the correct macro decisions, the franchise’s success rests on a thousand micro choices Heyman made, including creating a world on set and on screen where people want to be.”

That’s all the news for this December 2nd, 2007 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Andrew: Alright, thank you Micah.

Micah: You’re welcome.

Andrew: Micah, it was a slow news week.

Micah: It was. We keep rotating back and forth. We get big news weeks and then it dies down for a long period of time.

Andrew: It’s like a see-saw.

Micah: It is like a see-saw.

Laura: What?

Andrew: Yeah. Today we were on the ground. We were on the lower part of the see-saw. We’re the bigger kid this week on the see-saw.

Laura: Okay?

Andrew: We’re that bully. Okay, never mind. That’s enough.

Laura: No, you fail.


News Discussion: Tales of Beedle the Bard


Andrew: I just want to bring up Tales of Beedle the Bard. It was displayed, it was on display on Good Morning, America, ABC’s morning news program, and there’s a video online courtesy of HPANA. And basically, they actually have a copy of the book, and it looks thick. Have you guys seen this video?

Laura: Yeah, yeah.

Andy: It looks awesome.

Laura: Yeah, it really does.

Andrew: Yeah, it – yeah. It was funny, all the hosts were holding gloves because I guess Sotheby’s – that’s how you pronounce it, right, Sotheby’s?

Micah: Yep.

Andrew: They were, you know, their guys were probably off-stage being like, “Be really careful with this,” but they were all holding gloves and they were going through the book. It looks fantastic though, you just want to get your hands on it.

Matt: Yeah.

Laura: But you won’t.

Andrew: Unless you have like $100,000. But do you know what I did last week?

Laura: What?

Andrew: I ordered a catalogue for the Tales of Beedle the Bard catalog direct from Sotheby’s, and what it has inside of it – I got it a couple days ago – what it has inside of it is lots of artistic pictures of the book, and it’s really cool because it has the intro page that Jo wrote. It’s sort of a message to the buyer and it says at the end, “So, to whoever now owns this book, thank you and fair fortune be yours.” And then if you just picture the rest of this book, I mean, it’s has a beautiful picture of Jo, and it’s really well done. It’s like, the cover is imprinted. You know how like, Goosebumps when you rub your finger up against the title?

Laura: Right.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: You can like feel the title? Yeah, it’s like that, and just a cool little catalogue. You guys should buy it, it’s $19.95 or something like that, and the proceeds go to charity.

Matt: The drawings are really nice. J.K. Rowling is a pretty good artist.

Andrew: Isn’t she? Yeah. And to think that she actually hand drew seven of these along with writing the story.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew:I mean, it’s crazy. And then it’s going to be bound by a separate company, and there’s a picture in this catalogue of the craftsman making the covers for these books, but, just fantastic. And yeah, Matt, the art is really nice.


News Discussion: Happy Anniversary


Andrew: There is some big news this week that wasn’t posted on MuggleNet or really anywhere else, Happy two year anniversary to the MCFCKYJQXY*&?C.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: It’s the MuggleCastFan chat cast. I’m just kidding, it’s actually just MCFCKYQ. It actually started as a podcast that was about this podcast.

Laura: No, wasn’t it about a chat room? It was a podcast about a chat room about a podcast, wasn’t that it? Something like that?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah, basically.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: It was just kind of like a little fan community podcast. It was pretty cool, I think even a couple of us were on. I think Jamie and I were on their show for an interview like, a year-and-a-half ago. I think Eric might have been too, I’m not sure. We just wanted to say Happy Two Year Anniversary to them.


News Discussion: David Heyman


Micah: Well I just thought I’d bring up that David Heyman was named the ninth smartest person in Hollywood by Entertainment Weekly. And I thought that was kind of cool. I mean, he’s ranking up there with some high individuals, including Steven Spielberg who comes in at number two. Number one is actually, let’s see here, Judd Apatow.

Andrew: Really?

Micah: He directed 40 Year-Old Virgin and as well as Superbad.

Andrew: Do you know this guy, Matt? I’ve never heard of him.

Matt: Yeah, he’s the guy that did that TV show Freaks and Geeks.

Andrew: Oh. What is that? What show is that?

Matt: Well it was cancelled.

Andrew: [laughs] Oh.

Matt: But it was apparently really good.

Laura: Why is it that I’m failing to see how this guy came in above Heyman?

Matt: Yeah.

Laura: Like, is it just me? I don’t get it.

Matt: Well he came above Steven Spielberg too. He’s number one.

Laura: Yeah. How?

Andy: What was that show called?

Andrew: Freaks and Geeks.

Matt: Yeah, Freaks and Geeks.

Andy: And it was cancelled.

Matt: Yeah, it was cancelled after one season, but it’s become a cult classic. A lot of people love the show.

Andy: Really smart then, isn’t he?

Andrew: Well, Entertainment Weekly says: “Smart becausethis year he didn’t just bring the funny he changed the whole funny business.” Then they go into a whole thing about, you know, explaining that. But, yeah, I mean, you know it is funny we were just talking about this other day about David Heyman. How great of a guy he is to be managing this entire Harry Potter production for the past seven or eight years now.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: I mean, you know, that whole production is a huge thing and he oversees almost all of it.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: And just sticking with it and loving it, you know, he deserves a lot of credit.

Micah: And he has been credited…

Matt: It has aged him terribly.

Micah: Yeah. Probably. [laughs]

Matt: [laughs] Could you just imagine how much sleep he gets?

Andrew: [laughs] And he has got a hot wife.

Laura: I don’t know, I thought he looked like he was – I don’t know. I don’t want to put myself into a weird position here but I thought he looked okay. Like, I do not think he look aged. [laughs]

Andrew: You do not want to put yourself in a weird position, but you think he looks okay.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: I don’t want you guys to be like “Oh you think David Heyman is hot?” Because, well never mind. [laughs]

Matt: We wouldn’t put ourselves in a weird position for him.

Andrew: Yeah, and keep your positioning to yourself, Laura. Please.

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: No, shut up. I am not talking to you.

[Everyone laughs]


Announcements


Andrew: Well, moving on to some announcements now. Today’s podcast is brought to you by Audible.com, the leading provider in spoken word entertainment. Audible has over 3500 titles to choose from to be downloaded and played back anywhere, just like MuggleCast. On the summer road tour the co-hosts and I listened to a few audible books to pass the time. It’s a fantastic listening experience and is a great way to do some reading. Log on to www.audiblepodcast.com/mugglecast to get a free audio book download of your choice when you sign up today. Again, go to www.audiblepodcast.com/mugglecast for your free audio book.

The Wall of Fame that we started, that we opened up a few weeks ago is not complete as we consider it. Go to MuggleCast.com and at the top there is a banner that says “MuggleCast Wall of Fame” and there you will find our favorite episodes and the favorite episodes voted on by the fans. One of the big ones that was voted on by everyone was Episode 59, I think it was. “Time to Talk Time” and when we saw those e-mails I was like “Laura do you remember that?” she was like “Yeah, yeah”, that was a really good episode. We had completely forgotten about that.

Laura: It was, yeah. I had completely forgotten about that. We got into some very circular discussions about that.

Micah: Yeah. Was that the one where Kevin and Jamie kept going back and forth trying to talk about…

Laura: It sounds like something that they would gone back and forth, yeah.

Andrew: Oh!

Micah: …going back in time?

Andrew: Yeah. People say that was a very funny show for such a deep discussion and we pulled off the discussion well. Some other episodes voted on were Episode 20 where we discussed Hermione, Episode fif – no, Episode 59 was “Time to talk Time.” And there’s a few others in that list. And, what’s going to happen from now on is whenever the listeners see an episode that really stands out to you guys, or stands out to us. If it stands out to us we will put it in if we see a lot of good feedback, but whenever the listeners see a good episode and we don’t put it in, if everyone could make a giant Facebook group or one of those online petitions and be like, we think this should be on the Wall of Fame, and, you know, to get our attention and then we will do it, because every episode we can’t have like five or six listeners write in and say, “Yeah, I think that was Wall of Fame worthy.” So, this is basically just a collection for us to look back on and recommend to new listeners if they want to see some of our best work. Laura, what is going on in your home town of Dallas next year?

Laura: Well, as many of you know, the Portus Convention is going on sponsored by HPEF, and we recently found out that we are going.

Andrew: Yea!

Laura: Yea!

[Andy and Laura laugh]

Laura: It’s so exciting.

Andrew: We are going…

Laura: I’m going home everybody!

Andrew: [laughs and sings] I’m goin’ home. Just for the live show, I thought I would bring up that uhhh – what is that song by the American Idol guy?

Laura: I don’t know.

Matthew: Daughtry.

Andrew: Yeah. Chris Daughtry. Thank you. So, Portus 2008, hp2008.org, in Dallas, Texas from July 10th to the 13th. They are doing something called the Podcastpollusa or as I like to call it, the Potter Podcast Palooza at Portus Pickles! This pollusa they are doing is going to be a whole night of podcasting and what is going to happen is we are going to have our own time slot to do our show, and then there is going to be a bunch of podcasts doing their own shows all in one night at that and then at the end it is going to be a big round table of podcasters discussing Harry Potter podcasting, so it is a great idea. It’s going to be a lot of fun. Visit hp2008.org and register up, and we will provide more details as they come along. We don’t know which other podcasts are going to be there yet besides us, but we can say we will be there doing a podcast – I think it is the Friday of Portus, so I think that’s July 11th. So, more news to follow about that, and lastly just a side note. We have some new holiday album art

for Mugglecast. We do that every year, and be sure to check it out, because it’s fun.

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: Of course.

Micah: Are we going to put up those pictures again, we usually do that every year, the ones by Kelly Egan.

Andrew: Yes, Kelly Egan, put them up Micah.

Micah: Done.

[Everyone laughs]


Muggle Mail: Harry Potter and Other Reading


Andrew: Okay. All right. It’s time to move on to Muggle Mail now. Let’s get to the first email.

Laura: Our first email comes from Desiree, age 17, from San Antonio, TX. She writes:

“Hey guys, I was just listening to Mugglecast 121 and you were discussing Harry Potter and getting kids to read. The series did get me to start reading, and I have since moved on to other series and great authors. But the reason I am writing is because lately there has been a lot of talk about a different series taking the limelight away from Harry. I am talking about the Twilight series by Stephenie Meyer. Many news sources were calling the series ‘the next Harry Potter‘ just because of the amount of fans it has gained in the past two years, and especially when it took Deathly Hallows’s top spot upon release. They are even in pre-production of a movie for the first novel in the series. So I am basically wondering whether you think that a new buzz like this could draw attention attention away from such a huge franchise? I am personally a big fan of both series, but HP will always be my number one since it got me to where I am now. Sorry for the long e-mail, just wondering what you think.”

Andrew: No. No.

Laura: Yeah, I don’t know.

Andrew: No.

Andy: I don’t know. Can I just say that every book series that I’ve heard being called ‘the next Harry Potter,’ and I don’t know, I don’t buy it.

Laura: I mean, I know a lot of people are Twilight fans. I think that it’s definitely, I mean, it’s got huge potential to have the kind of following that Harry Potter has, but I don’t think it’s going to take away from the franchise.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Harry Potter‘s just one of those things that even people who don’t read Harry Potter know what Harry Potter is.

Andrew: Right. And there’s fandoms that are all going to flock to this film. I’m sure there’s a big Twilight following, but nothing like Harry Potter and the Harry Potter fandom is never going to change. They’re not going to be like, oh, forget Harry Potter. We have Twilight now. You know? Because Harry Potter is not dead yet. There’s still a few more exciting things to come.

Matt: Well, but there may be a time when that happens, too. I mean, look what happen to Star Trek with Star Wars. I mean, Star Trek was the big thing, everyone, everybody was a huge fan of Star Trek and then Star Wars came and pretty much blew them out of the water.

Andrew: Realy?

Laura: So, I mean…

Andy: If there’s another wizard book coming, they wouldn’t have to do that, because they’ve got space-ish.

Matt: Well, and they also do have a lot of Star Trek conventions, too, and there’s a whole huge group of people that do that also. So, yeah.

Laura: Yeah, but I mean, if you think about stuff like Lord of the Rings, which had a huge following in its day, and there’s still tons of people who are into it. I mean, their fandom’s not as active as Harry Potter is, but I don’t think that Lord of the Rings lost any fans to Harry Potter when it came out.

Matt: Well, it’s a fantasy genre, also. It’s a huge genre that not one subject can take over.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Well, as far as what Andy brought up with new wizard books, I mean, has Eragon really taken anything away? I mean, I know it’s not exactly the same type of a story, but it hasn’t really taken anything away from Harry Potter, I don’t think, and that’s kind of the next biggest thing I can think of that has come out around the same time.

Andrew: It’s not even as big. Yeah. I don’t even think it’s as big, though. And just a side note, which I think is kind of interesting, for the longest time now, since the first Eragon book came out, it was supposed to be a trilogy, three books.

Laura: Yeah. [laughs] Not anymore.

Andrew: Now the author has announced there is going to be a fourth book.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Oh really?

Andrew: I don’t think it is. He wrote up a good reason for why there is going to be a fourth, but all I’m saying is this is just a way to just pull some extra money. Like, I mean, you’re adding a fourth book to the trilogy. It just doesn’t make sense.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: That’s kind of cheap.

Micah: It seems like he had it pretty well set from the beginning.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: So, technically, to add another book – I kind of agree with what you are saying.

Laura: Yeah, I know. Just one last note on Twilight, just the impression I’ve gotten, like, I have a couple of friends who read it, and it just seems like something more geared towards girls. I think – I don’t know what kind of affect that will have on it. It seems like Harry Potter would be more widely encompassing fandom, just because it attracts readers of both genders and, like, I doubt that a whole bunch of guys are going to leave Harry Potter for Twilight. So…

Andrew: Can I be honest? I’ve never even heard of Twilight.

Matt: Yeah, what is Twilight?

Micah: Me neither.

Andy: Me neither.

[Laura laughs]

Laura: I believe it’s – I’ve never read it, but it’s a vampire romance novel. I have somebody here that reads it actually.


Muggle Mail: Harris’ Words About McKllen


Andrew: The next e-mail back comes from Lauren,15, of Omaha, Nebraska. She writes:

“Hey, MuggleCast, I was just listening to the recent podcast when I decided to look up what Richard Harris said about Ian McKellen. So here is the exact quote, courtesy of IMDB. ‘No one trusts me anymore. I spent half the movie Maigret arguing with people and I was accused of causing big on-set rows. But what they won‘t tell you is that I was fighting for Simeneon. I fought for the maintenance of quality. I don’t believe in lying down on the job. I’ve seen these so-called ‘nice’ actors. Very able fellows like Ian McKellen and Kenneth Branagh. But they’re like bank managers. So sweet and careful. Who needs them? We’re suffering a plague of good taste. Give me Sean Penn and Mickey Rourke any day. They project danger. That’s what makes acting, and life, interesting.” Brutal words.”

Laura: Yeah. It’s interesting that he mentioned Kenneth Branagh because he played Lockhart in the second film. I wonder what that made the set like.

Andrew: Well, for the record, this could have been said before Harry Potter.

Laura: Yeah, that’s what I’m saying, like if they got together on set, it must have been like, “So…”

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Jerk.

Andrew: Thank you, jerk. Look whose starring along aside of you now.

Andy: Could you imagine, though, a whole set with a bunch of Sean Penns and Mickey Rourkes? So…

Laura: No.

Andy: Everyone is going to have a black eye, at least.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

MuggleCast 122 Transcript (continued)


Muggle Mail: Amycus Carrow


Micah: The next one comes from Julia, 13, of California, and this one is my mistake from last week:

“Hi there, on Episode 121 you were talking about an untrained Death Eater with a wheezy giggle. I was under the impression that this death eater was Amycus Carrow. This is just what I assumed from the CD’s, because I’m pretty sure this Death Eater had the same voice as Amycus. Love the show. Bye.”

So, that clears up the mystery character…

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: I think, Andy, didn’t you say that, though, last week, too?

Andy: Yeah. I said that. So, one to me?

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Oh? Good work. [laughs] Good work, Julia – er, Andy.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Are you saying Julia just copied off of you?

Andrew: Maybe.

Andy: No. I – I think I read it somewhere so I can’t really take credit for it.

[Andy laughs]

Micah: Oh.

Andrew: I think Andy already discussed it on the Harry Potter FanZoneCast.

Micah: Oh.

Andy: Sure did.


Muggle Mail: The Source


Andrew: And the last email today comes from Matthew, 17, of Biloxi, Mississippi, about our Chapter-by-Chapter segment talking about Chapter 1:

“I was listening to Episode 121 and when ya’ll were doing the Chapter by Chapter there was a detail that ya’ll did not address, on top of page four U.S. edition. After Snape gives Voldemort the information on moving Harry and Voldemort using Legilimency on Snape, Voldemort begins the question, ‘Good. Very good. And this information comes–‘ but Snape interrupts with ‘–from the source we discussed.’ I was wondering who this source could possibly be. No way it could be Dumbledore’s portrait because he would have no way of knowing the plans of the Order and it most likely would not go too well with Voldie if Snape was conversing with Dumbledore’s portrait. Just wondering what you guys think. Thanks. Matthew.”

Laura: What I’m wondering is why Andrew doesn’t know how to say “ya’ll.”

Andrew: How do you say it?

Laura: You were sitting there going “ya all.” It’s “ya’ll.”

Andrew: Ya’ll.

Laura: Ya’ll. You’re going to Texas next summer! You need to learn how to say these things!

Matt: Geez. You need to brush up on your colloquialism.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Laura: Well, I think I’m – I definitely agree that it’s not Dumbledore’s portrait.

Micah: Well, I thought it was Mundungus. I thought that was the whole point of Harry…

Laura: Yeah…

Micah: Seeing that scene in the end.

Andrew: Oh.

Laura: I – yeah, I agree with Micah. I think that’s what it would have to be. I can’t think of anything else.

Micah: I think the source should be almost in quotation marks because it’s not a real source. It was just Snape sort of taking advantage of Mundungus.

Laura: Yeah. He was using him as a scapegoat.

Matt: Well, didn’t Dumbledore and Snape discuss about this before they – before he died, too? Like, they were going to move him on his birthday? Or something?

Laura: Mhm. Yeah.

Matt: So, so, maybe Snape just interrupted him before he could read his mind and said this before Voldemort found out the truth or something.

Micah: Right.

Matt: Do you…

Micah: But I would still think there would have to be somebody, like, between Snape and Voldemort. The source would have to be an actual person. And I don’t think he would trust Dumbledore. You know?

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: Oh, okay.


Chapter-by-Chapter: In Memoriam


Andrew: Yeah. It’s time to move on now to Chapter-by-Chapter. We’re going on to take on Chapter 2 this week, which once you read it, it’s – it’s a very basic chapter. I mean, really all that’s happening here is Harry’s still at the Dursley’s house and he picks up these two newspaper articles with, of course, differing opinions on Dumbledore. So are you guys ready to go?

Laura: Yeahhh.

Micah: Yeah!

Andrew: Let’s do it! Let’s go and do it. Here we go! A few things I want to talk about this week, and we’re going to go by the U.S. page numbers this week. I guess, maybe Andy can translate them if he wants to.

Andy: Yeah, I’ll try and find ’em.


Doge’s Mutual Attraction


Andrew: Okay. First one. Page 16. I’m sorry, but I have to do it.

Laura: Oh boy.

Andrew: In the beginning of the first article, titled “Albus Dumbledore Remembered,” I quote . . .

Andy: 21 in the U.K. edition.

Andrew: Oh, thank you. “I met Albus Dumbledore at the age of 11 on our first day at Hogwarts. [shouts] OUR MUTUAL ATTRACTION was undoubtedly due to the fact that we both felt ourselves to be outsiders.”

Matt: Well, didn’t he have pimples all over his face? Isn’t that why he sees himself as an outsider?

Laura: That’s right, he had dragon pox. Yeah.

Andy: Dragon pox.

Matt: Yeah! Dragon pox!

Andrew: Well, okay, yes. You could say the mutual attraction is not relationship-able – to create a new word, but [laughs] doesn’t this suggest that, that Elph – how do you pronounce her name?

Laura: Elphias? El-fee-us? I don’t know.

Matt: Elf-phias?

Andrew: Elphias. Just call her Elephant.

Laura: You mean him.

Andrew: That Elephant Dog was attracted to Dumbledore in a romantic sort of way?

Laura: Mmmm. I mean, I guess it’s . . .

Matt: Not everybody’s gay.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: Yeah, I guess it’s possible. Not to mention, just because you have a mutual attraction to somebody doesn’t mean that it’s sexual. Like…

Andrew: But Laura, because of recent events I’ve been forced to assume things when I read the word attraction with someone else and Dumbledore.

Matt: [laughs] Geez.

Micah: I thought that Doge was a guy.

Andrew: So, what I’m trying to say here is, we knew all along that Dumbledore was gay. Right from the start of Chapter 2!

Laura: No. We didn’t…

Matt: No we didn’t.

Andrew: Mutual attraction.

Laura: Okay! Friends have mutual attractions.

Andrew: I cannot name one person I’ve had a mutual attraction to.

Matt: God. You find out one character is gay and then the entire wizarding world…

Laura: You have mutual attractions to all of your friends.

Andrew: If I go up to a straight guy right now and I say, “Dude, I’m attracted to you.” He’s going to be like, “Dude, you’re gay.”

Laura: But you wouldn’t say it that way because people like you take it wrong!


Dumbledore and The Mirror of Erised


Andrew: Here’s something we never really discussed after Deathly Hallows came out. Page 21, Harry thinks back to when he asked Dumbledore what did he see when he looked into the mirror. And I thought it would be fun to discuss it now, especially since we know that Dumbledore’s gay.

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: Matt had something when this revelation was first revealed.

Matt: Well, no. That was just the first question I had when you guys told me that Dumbledore was gay. After the two hours of you guys screaming at us in the hotel room. “Oh my god, he’s gay!”

Laura: Well, it took it a while to convince you.

Matt: Well, we didn’t believe you at first. Well, come on, the first thing… Seriously, you were banging on the door, we opened it and you screamed in my face, “HE’S GAY!”

Andrew: Because it was big news! But actually, come to think of it – did we discuss this on the show afterwards?

Laura: I feel like we’ve discussed it.

Micah: I think it came up a little bit.

Laura: Yeah, a little bit but not a lot.

Micah: In Eric’s whole “pig for slaughter” thing.

Laura: “I hate Deathly Hallows” discussion.

Andrew: I mean, now that we’ve seen the back story, I would in all seriousness think he would actually see his family.

Laura: Oh yeah, definitely.

Andrew: Like Harry.

Laura: I think that he would see his family before they were broken. You know, it’s not just seeing them, but it’s seeing them as they were before all this terrible stuff befell them.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: I think Jo actually said that, I’m not sure where though.

Laura: Yeah, yeah. I’m sure she said something along those lines. It only makes sense.


Dumbledore’s Lies


Micah: Yeah, and this kind of comes after Harry learns everything about Dumbledore’s family in the first article that was written and he realizes that this is really the only personal question that he has ever asked Dumbledore throughout the entire six years that he knew him, and what’s interesting about it is that he knew Dumbledore lied when he said that he saw socks. So, the only personal question that Harry ever asked Dumbledore, Dumbledore answered with a lie. And, so I just thought that was kind of interesting given Eric’s whole take about Harry being raised this sort of “pig for slaughter” and him never knowing really what Dumbledore’s true intentions were throughout the course of the series.

Andrew: Not just that, but he didn’t know Dumbledore at all.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: He just knew him as the Headmaster. He…

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: He couldn’t see into him. He couldn’t understand anything from him.

Laura: But I mean, you think about other people who in your life are authority figures and other people that you seek for advice. How often do you actually ask them about their personal lives? Because if you start getting into personal lives with these people it makes them so much more human and I think that it wasn’t necessarily just something that Dumbledore was keeping from Harry. I think that on a subconscious level, it was a way in which Harry could keep Dumbledore up on a pedestal. You know? Higher above everyone else.

Micah: Yeah. But at the same time, it started the process of lies, and it started the process of Dumbledore not being truthful with Harry just from that point. You know? Already in Sorcerer’s Stone, he’s lying to Harry and he’s not telling the truth.

Laura: Yeah, but I think that’s part of his humanity.

Andrew: Yeah, I think Laura brings up a good point though about how once you ask an elder or someone you look up to about their personal life, things do change.

Laura: I mean it’s kind of like when you have that first dawning realization that your parents can’t solve everything. You know, when you’re a kid, you think that you can just run up to your parents and ask them and they know everything. When something really serious or terrible happens and there’s nothing they can do, it’s kind of a shock.

Andrew: Yeah.

Andy: But he’s not really lying to Harry to be deceitful or anything. I suppose he’s not telling him that because he doesn’t really think it’s relevant, then.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: At that point he was too young; I mean how could you possibly get into that? “I see my family to because…” It’d take him forever to explain everything.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: But also more on what Laura was saying – maybe Harry subconsciously just didn’t want to know more, which is why he didn’t ask any more personal questions. Because I’m just trying to put myself into his position. If I had a relationship with my principal, where he was guiding me, I don’t know if I wanted to know more about his personal life. Like – it’s just irrelevant.

Laura: No, I mean it just feels somewhat inappropriate. It’s like walking up to your teacher and being like, “Hey what did you do last night?” It’s weird. It’s awkward to ask people about their personal lives, you stay very formal. We see Harry continue to stay formal with Dumbledore throughout the books. I mean he becomes angry with him but it’s only about things that pertain to Harry’s personal life. So, I don’t know.


Rita Mentions Grindelwald


Andrew: Okay, moving along there’s another thing I wanted to talk about on pg. 26. I’m sorry but I just had a dirty mind and I couldn’t find anything else to bring up in here.

Matt: I think it’s 29 in the U.K edition. I think I know what you’re talking about.

Andrew: Rita says “‘Oh, now I’m glad you mentioned Grindelwald,’ says Skeeter, with a tantalizing smile. ‘I’m afraid those who go dewy-eyed over Dumbledore’s spectacular victory must brace themselves for a bombshell – or perhaps a Dungbomb. Very dirty business indeed.'”

Now, if you stop right there you think “Wait, did Rita actually know about the relationship between Grindelwald and Dumbledore?” In all seriousness I read that back and stopped right there to write down the note – I didn’t actually continue to read on. But, I really wish Jo included a couple more hints about him. [laughs] Because that would’ve been a good opportunity, like somehow if Rita Skeeter actually found out that he was gay.

Laura: How would she find out though, I don’t think he told anyone.

Andy: Came into his room as a beetle?

Andrew: Yeah…

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Saw Dumbledore on the computer at a couple of things.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: I don’t think she was alive, but that’s okay.

Andrew: Well you don’t – well I’m talking as of late.

Laura: I don’t think Dumbledore got up too much in the last…

Micah: One hundred years.

Laura: Seven years.

Andrew: What do you mean, “Got up too much”?

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: What I was saying is I don’t think he had time for a romantic life, during the time when he was raising Harry.

Andrew: Oh, I know that’s why I said he went on the computer.

Laura: No, but…

[Matt sighs]

Andrew: But anyway, if you read on this paragraph it goes on to say, “All I’ll say is, don’t be so sure there was the spectacular duel of legend. After they’ve read my book, people may be forced to conclude that Grindelwald simply conjured a white handkerchief from the end of his wand and came quietly.” [laughs]

Laura: You are so wrong! Oh my gosh, these dirty minds.

Micah: Oh boy.

Laura: So Andrew, why don’t you enlighten us to the meaning of this passage since you highlighted it, instead of giggling?

Andrew: Well, I just told you! If you stop reading at “very dirty business indeed,” one could assume after finding out Dumbledore was gay – one could assume that there was Jo dropping us a hint, and also Rita Skeeter somehow found out. And it could be fun to analyze exactly how she could have possibly found out. [laughs]

Matt: I’m surprised you didn’t do this other passage either, the one right after it.

Andrew: What?

Matt: About Harry.

Andrew: Why?

Micah: Well, hold on. Can I just…

Laura: “It’s been called unhealthy, even sinister.”

Matt: Yeah.

Laura: About their relationship. She says, “the whole Potter Dumbledore relationship.”

Matt: “There’s no question that Dumbledore took an unnatural interest in Potter from the word ‘go.'”

Andrew: So maybe she did know. And I’m not even kidding! What if Rita actually did find out?


Interpreting Rita’s Words


Laura: I think if she did, it would have come out in the book. There would be no reason for her to keep that quiet. I think the angle she’s trying to play up is Dumbledore has had connections to dark wizards in the past and I think that she’s trying to lead people to assume he’s guiding this boy who’s supposed to defeat Voldemort, yet there was a time when he had a very Nazi-esque view of the way the world should work.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: At the “very dirty business,” I thought, had to do with his sister’s death and them not really knowing how she died.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Mmm, yeah.

Micah: But, I can see how that could be interpreted a different way.

Matt: Probably, also the thing that… Oh! Well, probably the dirty business was also probably the things Dumbledore and Grindelwald did together too. Just the fact that no one knew how good of friends they were and how well they knew each other and all those other things.


Aberforth


Andrew: Mhm. Okay, so moving onto pg. 29, we get to the part where Harry he sees Aberforth in the mirror. For a flash of a second by that time Harry assumes it’s Dumbledore. Did anyone think it actually was Dumbledore in the mirror? I did.

Andy: I really hoped it was but I don’t think I ever believed it.

Andrew Yeah. Because like…

Laura: I didn’t buy that it was Dumbledore but I wasn’t sure who it was. Because…

Andrew: Because we had discussed – sorry.

Laura: Sorry, I just trusted Jo when she said that he was dead. You know? The only real way that – I mean, we even saw that she was true to her word. You know, you can’t bring the dead back. We had the portrait and then we had Harry’s dream/epiphany at King’s Cross. So, he never really came back.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: And, she does it right in the last sentence of the chapter, when she says that “if anything it was certain that the bright blue eyes of Albus Dumbledore would never pierce him again.”

Andrew: Okay, well…

Micah: So… Well, no. I’m just saying as far as Dumbledore returning, that’s kind of what did it for me – when she said that.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: Yeah. But, how could Harry be certain? Why would he be so certain? I mean…

Laura: Because he watched him die.

Andrew: But, he thought he had just seen his eye. So, what? Because remember on the show when we were even talking about what if there were a special connection with the two-way mirror? What if we’re going to see it again and it’s going to be Dumbledore helping Harry via the mirror? Didn’t we discuss that on the show?

Laura: We discussed Sirius helping Harry via the mirror.

Andrew: Oh, right.

Laura: Because there was that big theory going around for a long time that Sirius took the mirror through the Veil with him.

Andrew: Right, yeah.

Laura: But he clearly did not. I didn’t think it was Dumbledore because we knew that there was really no way for the dead to use that mirror. Like, you’re dead. You know?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Laura: It’s not a state in which you can readily communicate with people in that fashion, I don’t think.

MuggleCast 122 Transcript (continued)


The Truths: Doge vs. Rita’s Articles


Micah: I thought it’d be good to bring up looking at both the articles since, despite what Harry thought, there were truths about Dumbledore in both of them. Maybe we could just take a look at some of the basics that were in them. I don’t know. What do you guys think?

Laura: Well, it’s interesting because usually when you look at something – two pieces of media in which you have very different extremes – it’s usually pretty safe to assume that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Which is pretty much what it ended up being. You know? Of course Dumbledore’s good friend is going to say nothing but good things about him.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: And, he’s not going to confirm any of the questionable things about his past. But, at the same time, a critic like Skeeter – she’s going to attack him every chance she can get.

Andrew: I mean, the one thing about the first article was just that everyone who was reading that article – like us, the real people – we sort of were like, “Awww, yeah. Yeah, awww. Yeah, I remember that. I remember that, too.”

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: It was a very bittersweet way for us to remember Dumbledore. But what I find interesting, and this might come off wrong, is that whenever someone does die you do nothing but talk about some of the best things about the person.

Laura: Right.

Andrew: But as a side note, there was the football player who died earlier this week, Shaun Taylor. Actually, his former football coach from high school was on CNN, talking badly about him. And I was like, “What? You would actually do this?”

Laura: Yeah, I mean. You really run into that kind of thing with heavily influential figures. If you look at the death of Princess Diana, for instance. You had people, they were either on one side or the other. They loved her or they hated her. And they made it very clear how they felt about her in the days after her death. They still make it very clear.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: And I think that that’s just kind of a point that Jo is trying to bring up. That somebody who had so much pull in the Wizarding World as Dumbledore… You know, he was going to have people who loved him unconditionally and people who criticized his every move.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah. And we get the first pieces of information as well in Doge’s article about his family. Because up until this point, we really, other then Aberforth, didn’t know anything about Dumbledore’s family.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: So, it gives us a brief insight into eventually what we learn more about later on in the book.

Andrew: Right. And it turns out to be some of the most important information too. But we just didn’t know it yet. It was very interesting how Jo brought us through those two articles and I really liked how we got two such differing opinions. It was just very, very good writing.

Laura: Right.

Micah: Yeah. And I like how Rita Skeeter brought up the fact that, you know, Dumbledore was into the Dark Arts and he wasn’t always as broadminded as everyone thought he was. And then, you know, you have Harry at the end of the chapter saying that this is all lies and it’s not true and it ends up being true in the end.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: Yeah.


Favorite Quotes: “Dish The Dirt”


Andrew: We’ll do favorite quotes now that we got some e-mails. My favorite of the chapter was when Rita says, “People are cuing to dish the dirt on Dumbledore anyway.” And that made me angry. Do you think that was really true or you think that Rita was doing that just to sell her book?

Laura: I think it was probably true of a couple of people.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: I mean, that’s the main difference that you notice with these two articles while reading them. One is meant to provide a quick overview, a nice fluffy piece about Dumbledore’s life. And then the other is just pushing a book. And it’s just using his name, slaving his name on it, to make money.

Andrew: Yeah. Mhm, exactly.

Laura: So…

Andrew: But the thing that just got me was “people were lining up.” I actually had a visual of people lining up and Rita sitting at a table, just taking all these notes, all this dirt on Dumbledore. It’s faux.

Laura: Mhm. She exaggerates too, though. We know that.

Micah: It’s something like somebody…

Andrew: Oh, definitely.

Micah: Like Lucius Malfoy would, you know, be apt to go ahead and just dish the dirt on Dumbledore, I think.

Andrew: Right. I wonder if other very big influential characters died, like if, say, Lucius or maybe uhhh…ummm…hmmph… who else?

Matt: Fudge?

Andrew: McGonagall.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: Fudge, yeah. If there would be all this dirt suddenly revealed about the person, because it’s…

Laura: You know what’s interesting about that? I always thought we were going to find out – find some dirt on Fudge, because of The Quibbler. Like, all those little things in The Quibbler, like I always kind of figured that Jo threw that in there to kind of give us a few grains of truth, and that we were going to find out all this stuff about Fudge.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: We never really did.

Andrew: Who put this next quote in?


Favorite Quotes: The Locket


Micah: I did. “The locket was accorded this place of honour, not because it was valuable — in all usual senses it was worthless — but because of what it had cost to attain it.” So, I just thought that it was [mockingly] a sentimental quote. When, you know, Harry was remembering Dumbledore.

Laura: Yeah, I remember when I read that when we were all together…

Micah: Did you cry?

Laura: I like – I felt my heart sink. I didn’t cry at that point, okay?

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Laura: I was only fifteen pages in!

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Oh.

Laura: I cried when I thought when I thought Harry was going to die!

Micah: You were crying when you were 50 pages out and thought Harry was still going to die.

Laura: Well, you never know! And it was worse because some people were laughing at me!

Andrew: I was L-M-A-O-ing, to be honest.

[Micah and Andy laughs]

Andy: That’s a bit bleak of you.

Andrew: But there’s another point I want to bring up about that, but it’s in one of the e-mails.


Favorite Quotes: Rita Skeeter


Andy: Well, this is a quote that I picked out, because I think it sums up everything that Rita Skeeter stands for. It’s: “‘Oh my dear,’ beams Skeeter, rapping me affectionately across the knuckles, ‘you know as well as I do how much information can be generated by a fat bag of Galleons, a refusal to hear the word ‘no’ and a nice sharp Quick-Quotes Quill!'”

Matt: Yeah. That is perfect Rita for you right there.


Muggle Mail: Predetermined Beliefs


Andrew: Ummm, let’s move on to e-mails for Chapter 2. This was sent in by our – these were sent in by our listeners this week. The first one comes from Hanna, 16, of Pennsylvania. She writes:

“Hey, guys, I just wanted to make a comment on Chapter Two for your discussion. This chapter is one of my favorite in the entire book, for the reason that it displays one of the prevalent themes of the books, that our predetermined beliefs blind us from the truth. When we first read the chapter we compare the articles written by Rita Skeeter and Elphias Doge. Immediately we side with Doge’s point of view, because of our past negative experiences with her and because of our connection with Doge who was a friend of Dumbledore’s. Because we identify with Doge we assume that his view is the correct of and that Rita, as she often has been before, is wrong. However, after we read the entire book it is clear that, though she embellished the many facts, Rita’s account of Dumbledore is actually more factual than Doge’s rose-colored picture of a kindly old man. Hindsight is 20/20, I guess. Sorry if this was long=winded.”

Andrew: Blah, blah, blah. So yeah, that’s a good point, that’s basically what we’re talking about.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: These two very contrasting views and we’re like, “Oh, psh, Rita, get outta here.”

Laura: Yeah. Yeah, and I think Jo was taking advantage of the fact that we were in the same position as Doge was.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. Doge [pronounces it “dog”] you mean?

Laura: His name isn’t Dog.

Matt: It’s Doge.

Andrew: On today’s show it’s elephant dog.

Micah: [laughs] What?


Muggle Mail: Reminiscing


Laura: Next e-mail comes from Kimberly, 18, from New York. She writes:

“Hey, guys. First, I just want to say that you are all amazing and, even though you probably hear it all the time, you really have done such a great job with the show. Keep up the good work.”

Andrew: Thanks!

Laura: Thank you, that’s so sweet. Anyway…

[Micah laughs]

Laura: What?

Micah: You’re like, “anyway, no it’s not.” Let’s move on.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: “Oh, that’s so sweet, anyway.”

Laura: Sorry, I didn’t mean it that way. Whatever.

“I thought that it was really nice the way in which J.K. Rowling got us back into Harry’s point of view; he’s at the Dursley’s, and he’s miserable, just like he always is there. Yet, this is the last time that he will be there, so it is in a sort of odd way, special. Not even getting to the whole Dumbledore background story that is the focus of this chapter, I really enjoyed all of the reminiscent things that go on in the very beginning. It seems like its J.K.’s own special way of saluting to various memories from previous books as Harry is going through his trunk, pulling out books, quills, and much more. Right away, we know that this book is going to be very serious and intense because all of the light and happy things that we have seen in the previous books have to be abandoned now. In this sense, Harry is leaving his childhood forever, and for the typical ‘Harry Potter’ fangirl, moments like these totally grab our hearts. I know
that that probably sounds really sappy, but I figured since most of the discussion will be focused on the opening into Dumbledore’s background, it’s something different to read, at least. Thanks for reading, and once again you guys are amazing!! Good luck to everyone on your upcoming exams. I’m in the same boat as Laura and Andrew, finishing up the first semester of college. Cheers, and Happy Holidays!”

Andrew: Well, good luck to you, too.

Laura: Awww, that’s so sweet. Really, it is.

Micah: Anyway.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: Shut up, Micah. Yeah, I was actually looking at that, like he’s, like going through, like, little things in his trunk. He finds the – what was it, ‘Cedric Diggory, the real Hogwarts champion, Potter stinks badges.”

Andy: The Sneak-o-scope.

Laura: Yeah he just found…

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Laura: It was like going through like all of these, you know, old memories and you know that he’s leaving it behind, like you said.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: And that was just one small part in the whole entire book, and I’m sure we’ll point them out as we continue this series of Chapter-by-Chapter, where, you know, Harry’s just seeing all these things from the past. I mean the example I keep going back to is Oliver Wood.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: He just pops out of no where, and all these little things are in here just to remind us of the series, and it really gave the book a different feeling. It gave the book – throughout the entire book, you got a real closure feeling, seeing all these things again, you know?

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: Well, pretty much every character in the series made a cameo in this book, didn’t they?

Andrew: Right, yeah.

Laura: Except for Madame Maxime.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh.

Laura: Like, she just kind of didn’t appear anywhere.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Laura: Which is really interesting seeing as she is a giant and everything. She’d be kind of hard to miss.


Muggle Mail: Too Little Time?


Andrew: Ooo! Hey! Next e-mail comes from Ashley, 18, of Virginia. She writes:

“Isn’t it interesting that Harry is left to reflect on the jadiness about Dumbledore and the way he, Harry, was never able to make the best of his time with Dumbledore. And most of the readers feel the same way. There is so much we hope to learn but time run out far too quickly. It’s such a feeling that I find great comfort in this similarity, but not just about Dumbledore, but the series as a whole.”

Wow. Yeah?

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: It’s another good point. We were sort of talking about that earlier.


Muggle Mail: How is Rita Writing?


Andy: This next e-mail comes from Nina, 14, of Missouri. She says:

“Hi! I’m writing in for the Chapter-by-Chapter for Chapter 2 of Deathly Hallows. In this chapter, Harry writes the interview with Rita Skeeter. But how does Rita is writing anything in the first place? I thought Hermione had shut her up for good in Goblet of Fire, as was demonstrated in The Order of the Phoenix when Rita wrote for The Quibbler. What happened? I guess Hermione didn’t follow through on her threats.”

Laura: Actually that was because Hermione said at the end of Goblet of Fire that she had to keep her quill to herself for a year. So…

Andy: Yep.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: And she’s not really writing for The Daily Prophet, either…

Laura: Yeah, she wasn’t writing about Harry, either…

Micah: She was writing her own book.

Laura: Plus, I’m sure that Hermione didn’t want to draw attention to themselves at this point in time. Like, just having all this information about Dumbledore come out is just one more thing to distract from Harry. So, I guess it’s kind of a way of keeping them safe. Just another form of protection. Because people might be more invested in hearing about Dumbledore.

Andrew: Yeah. And, you know, someone other than Rita is probably making some money off of this.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: So, they could’ve brought her back pretty easily, you know, if money was involved.


Chapter-by-Chapter: Quote Quiz


Andrew: We’re going to start something new here on the Chapter-by-Chapter segment. It’s called, “Quote Quiz”!

Micah: That was good.

Matt: Yay!

Laura: Wooo!

Andrew: Quote Quiz-quiz-quiz-quiz-quiz [imitating echo sound] Quote-quote-quote Quiz-quiz-quiz-quiz-quiz [more echoing] So, what we’re going to do, [laughs] to get everyone excited about the following week’s chapter, we will pick out a quote from the next chapter. In this case, Chapter 3. And, we won’t say who said it. And we’ll make you guys guess and we’ll make you guys play at home. It will be a lot of fun. Of course, this is not a competition because anyone could just open the book and find the answer. But, just, for you guys to play at home. Just for fun.

First one. This comes form Chapter 3. Guess the quote. Guess who said it. “Very clever of you, sir! Very clever. I personally would be utterly bamboozled by all those buttons and knobs.” Who was the speaker and who is being spoken to? All right, this is been “Quote Quiz-quiz-quiz-quiz-quiz.” Okay, so next week we’ll be discussing Chapter 3, “The Dursley’s Departing.” It features one of the most random quotes you will ever see in this entire Harry Potter series. It left everyone going, “What the…!”

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: “…Fudge.”

Micah: I don’t know what you’re talking about, but…

Laura: Yeah, me neither.

Andrew: Isn’t that the chapter where Dudley says, “I’ll miss you, Harry”?

Micah: Oh. Oh, yeah.

Laura: Oh. Well, Okay. I thought…


Chicken Soup For The MuggleCast Soul


Andrew: We’re going to wrap things up with a Chicken Soup today.

Laura: This week’s Chicken Soup For The MuggleCast Soul comes from Elizabeth. She writes:

“Dear, MuggleCasters, compared to some of the other beautiful Chicken Soup stories, this one might seem a little pointless, but I’m going to go with it anyway. A few months ago I was very low. That might not sound too dramatic, but it’s the best way I can describe it. I’m sure you know that feeling, being clutched in the claws of something dark. Not feeling a part of yourself, your friends, your world. Sometimes at night, just to stop myself from crying once more, I would turn on the MuggleCast and focus on some familiar, friendly voices. The contentment of Harry Potter talk would bring me, plus the ramblings of a handful of simply amazing people would comfort me. I’m not depressed anymore, and right now I’m with a fantastic guy who really understands. I just can’t tell him about my unrequited love for Jamie.”

Of course.

“Thank you, MuggleCast, for being with me in some bleak and lonely times. I wanted to write you guys a poem, but in the thralls of writer’s block this is the best I could do. All my love and more, Elizabeth.”

And she did write a very lovely poem called, “A World Within a World,” for MuggleCast. And we’ve put that up on the site. So, thank you for that.


Contact Information


Andrew: It’s time to remind everyone about our contact information. Laura, if someone wants to send us parcel mail, how do they do that?

Laura: You can send that to:

PO Box 3151
Cumming, Georgia
30028

Andrew: You can also call the MuggleCast hotline. In the United States, the number is 1-218-20-MAGIC. In the United Kingdom it’s 020-8144-0677. And if you’re in Australia, you can dial 020 – sorry, 02-8003-5668. And we’ll get to some voicemails soon. And I know Kevin’s still trying to fix the Skype voicemail box. Speaking of Skype, you can also contact us via that program, just use the username MuggleCast. And remember, no matter how you’re going to contact us via voice, keep your message under 60 seconds and eliminate as much background noise as possible so we can put you on the show. You can also visit MuggleCast.com for a handy feedback form. To contact any one of us at our first name at staff dot mugglenet dot com. To contact
Andy it is:

Andy: webmaster at harrypotterfanzone dot com.

Andrew: And to – Matt’s got a – yeah, mattb at staff dot mugglenet dot com?

Matt: I don’t know.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Yes, you do. Come on, you log into it.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: Don’t you?

Matt: Oh, it’s matthewb.

Andrew: Matthewb.

Matt: Yeah, you guys couldn’t have said matt at mugglenet dot com. You had to say, matthewb.

Andrew: Because when Micah gave me a list of the transcribers, he gave me “Matthew.” And there was already a matthew at staff, so it had to be matthewb. I remember you e-mailing to me. You were like, “Hey dude, you can call me Matt, man. My name’s Matt. It’s not Matthew.”

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: It’s probably Emily’s fault.

Matt: I’m Matthew B.

Andrew: [imitating Mikey] I’m Matthew B.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: [imitating Mikey] I’m Mikey B!

Micah: It was probably Emily that sent you the list.

Andrew: Oh yeah, it was probably Emily, it wasn’t Micah. Former
staff member, Emily. You can also visit MuggleCast.com for all of our community outlets including: MySpace, Facebook, YouTube,
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Show Close


Andrew: So, I think that wraps up the show for today. It was a short show compared to recently, and the co-hosts suck this week. Except for Matt and Andy, thanks for joining us this week.

Andy: Indeed.

Matt: Awww, thank you, Andrew.

Andrew: You’re welcome, Matt. [laughs] Don’t forget, Andy’s over at
HarryPotterFanZone running the Harry Potter website of choice for Australians.

Andy: Yep.

Andrew: Isn’t that what you like to call it?

Andy: Uh, yeah. Why not?

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] So, once again, I’m Andrew Sims.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Andy: I’m Andy McCray.

Matt: And I’m Matthew B.

Andrew: [laughs] We’ll see everyone next week for Episode 123. Buh-bye!

Laura: Bye.

Micah: Bye.

Andy: Bye.


Bloopers


Andrew: Sorry, I forgot to tell you about that, too.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: I need to write up a book: The MuggleCast Guest-Host Manual.

Laura: The Guest Host’s – yeah. [laughs]

Andy: Handbook?

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: The Idiot’s Guide[laughs]to MuggleCast Co-Hosting.

Andrew: Yeah, how to record. How to say your name. Yeah Idiot’s Guide.

Matt: I should get that.

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Transcript #121

MuggleCast 121 Transcript


Show Intro


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[Into music starts]

Micah: Because Bellatrix doesn’t get any. This is MuggleCast Episode 121 for November 25th, 2007.

[Intro music continues to play]

Micah: So, Andy. How was your Thanksgiving?

Andy: Oh, it was great.

[Andrew laughs]

Andy: Celebrated it well.

Micah: Did you have turkey?

Andy: Lots of.

Micah: Mikey – Micah thinks this is the greatest joke ever because he keeps running with it. He’s not going to stop.

Andy: [laughs] I’ve got to think of a witty answer for it. That’s the problem. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. It was pretty chicken. [laughs]

Eric: Hey, Micah. How was your Christmas? Sorry.

Micah: Well, Eric, considering…

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: It’s a month away.

Andy: I had a turkey of a Thanksgiving.

Eric: We had a Black Friday because they don’t have Thanksgiving, they don’t really have Black Friday, but it was a busy day nonetheless. Really got me in the spirit for… I need stuffing, guys. I really need stuffing.

Andrew: Yes, I had stuffing, and it was very good. I also went Black Friday shopping. The Cherry Hill Mall. Ever been there, Eric? The Cherry Hill Mall?

Eric: Cherry Hill? yeah, the Cherry Hill Complex. There’s an iMax there, isn’t there?

Andrew: I don’t know that.

Eric: Ah, just wondering.

Andrew: It was the first time I’ve been there. Actually I did go there with Jamie. I actually took Jamie to that mall. He loved it.

Eric: Oh, nice.

Andrew: Yeah, they don’t really have malls in the UK.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: But yeah so, went Black Friday shopping and no Order of the Phoenix DVD because it’s not on sale here yet.

[Andy laughs]

Eric: Oh gee, we have it. I bought it. I’ve got all my Christmas shopping done on friday.

Andrew: Anyway, welcome everyone to the show. As you see, we have Micah, Eric, Andy’s back…

Andy: Hey.

Andrew: As well, and I’m here. I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: I’m Eric Scull.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Andy: And I’m Andy McCray.


News


Andrew: Micah’s over in the MuggleCast News Center with the past weeks Harry Potter news stories.

Micah: All right, thanks Andrew. Universal’s Harry Potter theme park, set to open in late 2009 or early 2010, will focus heavily on holiday-themed events, particularly at Halloween and Christmas time, according to Jim Hill Media. It is hoped that this “Holidays at Hogwarts” idea will rival Disney World’s current dominance during the holiday season.

Promotion for the park is due to begin as early as next year, with television commercials featuring clips from all five of the Potter movies to date.

With the release of the Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix DVD in the US less than a month away, Warner Brothers has released a new behind the scenes video which features actors Dan Radcliffe and Evanna Lynch, and shows how special effects were used to create the flying thestrals sequence in the movie.

Harry Potter author, J.K. Rowling has been named Entertainment Weekly‘s Entertainer of the Year. The announcement was made earlier this morning on The Today Show, which you can see video of here on MuggleNet.com. Rowling, who appears on the cover, is the first author to ever receive this award.

Finally, Sir Ian McKellen was recently interviewed by The Guardian where amongst other things he discusses Dumbledore vs. Gandalf, the character who he played in The Lord of the Rings trilogy.

McKellen says that while he and Michael Gambon are close friends, the topic of “how to play a wizard” has never come up. And as far as if he would have taken over the role of Dumbledore from the late Richard Harris, McKellen said:

“People say to me, don’t you wish you’d played Dumbledore? I say no! I played Gandalf! The original. There was a question as to whether I might take over from Richard Harris [Gambon’s predecessor in the Dumbledore role], but seeing as one of the last things he did publicly was say what a dreadful actor he thought I was, it would not have been appropriate for me to take over his part.” He smiles icily. “It would have been unfair.”

When asked who would win the battle between Dumbledore and Gandalf, McKellen never hesitated, “Gandalf. Of course.”

That’s all the news for this Novemer 25th, 2007 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Andrew: Okay, thank you Micah.

Micah: You’re welcome.

Andrew: You know, it was a slow week.

Micah: It was a slow week.

Andrew: The news makers are off this week to the rest of us.

Eric: The news makers?


News Discussion: HP Theme Park’s “Holidays at Hogwarts”


Andrew: Yes. Besides the big Thanksgiving – the annual Thanksgiving post, we had a little update on the Harry Potter theme park, finally. I mean, we haven’t heard about it in a while. And this comes from a theme park blog. It’s sort of an entertainment industry blog, but they focus on theme parks. They’ve got some connections in the theme parks. And they – let me read part of the recent blog post, here. It concerns “Holidays at Hogwarts,” this concept.

“You see, Universal is hoping to turn Islands Of Adventure’s Harry Potter-themed section into a way to challenge Disney World’s dominance when it comes to Christmas in Central Florida. Picture — if you will — a yearly “Holidays at Hogwarts” promotion at Universal Studios Islands of Adventure. With carolers strolling through the streets of Hogsmeade and a traditional English Christmas feast being served nightly in the Great Hall at Hogwarts Castle.”

Andrew: Is that a great idea, or what?

Eric: Ummm, maybe.

Andrew: Holidays at Hogwarts.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Now, here’s the thing. This blog post also said that this might be opening by 2009. And this blogger said they will open the park when it’s half-finished. Just to, I guess start getting people in early. Now, is this a good idea? Or shouldn’t you wait a couple extra years for the whole theme park to be open?

Eric: Well, why would you do that if you can make all these sorts of sales on memorabilia and all the stuff you can have prepped and ready to go.

Andrew: I guess, but I would just want a huge grand opening, instead of it just opening in pieces. But this is a very good way to get those Disney fans out of Universal. Because, personally, who pays for two parks? I mean, you know? So I think it’s going to hurt Disney’s holiday popularity. Maybe not much, but I’m sure there are several listeners out there who go to Disney for the holidays every once in a while. And I think most of our listeners will definitely start turning to Universal Studios. Have any of you guys been to Universal Studios?

Eric: In Florida, yes.

Micah: Yep.

Eric: Yep.

Andrew: Ah, I’ve never been there.

Micah: It’s been a while.

Andrew: I’m a Disney fan.

Eric: Yeah, I didn’t go to Islands of Adventure at the time, so I cannot speak for it. They had a cool Spiderman ride my friend told me I had to ride before the movies came out. And I didn’t. But I was at Universal in Orlando, Florida and I just have to say that the Nickelodeon building does not have sweeping front lawn in it, like any kid was always lead to believe. With the big, giant, sort of globe that says Universal. They’re completely placed disproportionately and there’s no big, sweeping front lawn. And I was very disappointed. But other than that, I had a good time.

Andrew: Cool.

Micah: Yeah. I mean, I was at Universal back in 2000, I would say. When I was on a band trip down there with school. And I haven’t been back since, but I think this definitely adds an element for them that they were seriously lacking. As far as drawing people there for the holidays. I think now they have something that people are going to want to definitely go and experience.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah.

Eric: I think so, too.

Andrew: The…

Eric: Though, they’ve taken the Back to the Future ride down since I’ve been there. Which is upsetting.

Andy: It’s very disturbing.

Andrew: See, I’m like – That whole Harry Potter area is definitely a selling point. But, like, I love Disney just because it’s magical. [laughs] I mean, it just is. And..

Eric: Yeah. Disney has the one-up on everyone, I think.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Just because of their name. And their whole – you’re not going to have breakfast with the Terminator, you know? You what I’m saying? I mean, that’s the thing, Disney has all these characters and they continue to invent them. Like Woody and Buzz, for instance. You know, Toy Story? Nemo. All these new films come out, you get all these new, dressed-up characters. And Universal doesn’t really have that thing. Because Universal’s for the movie-lover.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: And movie’s aren’t necessarily – like, it’s for an older sort of audience. Such as the Terminator 2 or T2: Battle Through Time or whatever it is that they have there.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. So, overall…

Micah: Eric brings up a good point.

Andrew: What?

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: That Disney is magical overall as opposed to Universal adding just one area of their park that is going to have a magical feel to it.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Be magical.

Andrew: So…

Eric: Yeah, but I personally enjoy entering Universal, because they play the movie soundtracks as you – there’s these long, I don’t want to say escalators, but moving pavement or moving sidewalk, whatever you want to call them.

Andy: The skywalk?

Eric: Ummm, okay, if that’s the Australian term, we’ll go with that.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Yeah, skywalks. They’re like the moving pavement, that’s what they’re called.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And as you’re going into the park, into Universal, they play the movie themes.

Andrew: Cool.

Eric: And that was just really awesome for me. So, yeah.

Micah: What do you guys think about them playing us while people wait in line?

Andrew: Oh, they should. Oh, that’s a great idea.

Eric: Us?

Andrew: Us, the pod – didn’t someone bring that up before?

Micah: I don’t know.

Andrew: I think someone said that. I don’t know. Either way. See, that’s like a great place for all the fan sites to go and just like hand out their business cards and stuff. Because I mean, if you’re going there, you must be interested in Harry Potter a little bit, so…

Eric: Yeah.


News Discussion: J.K. Rowling Named Entertainer of the Year


Andrew: Then we’ll be kicked out for loitering. Hey, but anyway, moving on to some other news now. JK Rowling named Entertainer of the Year by Entertainment Weekly. Entertainment Weekly had this to say about JK Rowling:

“She is our Entertainer of the Year because she did something very, very hard and she did it very, very well, thus pleasing hundreds of millions of children and adults very, very much. In an era of video game consoles, online multiplayer environments, and tinier-is-better mobisodes, minisodes, and webisodes, she got people to tote around her big, fat, old-fashioned, printed-on-paper books as if they were the hottest new entertainment devices on the planet.”

And that is so true. I love that little connection, because I remember when the book came out, everyone was carrying them around. Like in London, I would see people carrying them around. And when we got back to the States, people were walking around with them. They were a fashion statement. And it was cool. [laughs]

Micah: It was cool. People had them on the train.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Eric: Yeah, it was our time.


News Discussion: Rowling as Time‘s Person of the Year


Andrew: Yeah. Yep. And I have to say, I think this is a really good reason why she should be Time‘s Person of the Year. We were talking about this last week, or two weeks ago. She should be Time‘s Person of the Year for this exact reason. She is an entertainer, and not by the standards that we have today. I was looking back – Entertainment Weekly had a little archive of all the past Entertainers of the Year since like 1990, I think, they started this in, or ’96, or somewhere in the 90s. And all of them have been movie stars, cartoon characters. None of them have actually been a book or its author. So this is a first for Entertainment Weekly‘s Entertainer of the Year, and I think it says something about JK Rowling this past year.

Micah: It does.

Eric: Who was she up against?

Andrew: For Person of the Year?

Eric: Is it Person or Entertainer of the Year?

Micah: Well, no, it’s…

Andrew: Well, she wasn’t up against anyone. I mean, there was a list. They were all movie actors and stuff.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: But she won the top Entertainer of the Year.

Micah: Yeah. If you watch the video on The Today Show, they kind of go through a list of people that she was up against, and she came out pretty clear ahead of anybody else. But I agree with what you’re saying, Andrew, as far as Person of the Year. I think that it’s sort of the right time. If she’s ever going to get it, the time is going to be now, because it’s the culmination of her series.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: It’s all the work that she’s done throughout the world with various charities, and I think it would be just the right time. I mean, when else is she going to receive it? I don’t think there’s any other time that it would be more suiting than right now.


News Discussion: Ian McKellen on Dumbledore


Andrew: Okay. Moving on to final story of today. This was posted on Saturday. Ian McKellen finally comments on Dumbledore. Is this – I could be wrong – is this the first time he’s ever mentioned Dumbledore? Like, being cast as Dumbledore?

Eric: Well, first time I remember, yeah. Yeah, it’s interesting.

Andrew: Well, here, let’s set it up. Ian McKellen says, “People say to me, ‘Don’t you wish you’d played Dumbledore?’ I say, ‘No, I played Gandalf, the original.'” Think about that for a second.

Eric: Hold for a break, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. “There was a question as to whether I might take over from Richard Harris, but seeing as one of the last things he did publicly was say what a dreadful actor he thought I was, it would not have been appropriate for me to take over his part. It would have been unfair.”

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Richard Harris actually said that?

Andy: Yeah.

Micah: I guess so.

Andy: It’s hard to imagine that he said he was a dreadful actor.

Andrew: Yeah. I guess unless, you know, you know you’re going to die soon anyway, so why not?

Eric: So just insult all the people that you can?

Andrew: Yeah. Speak the truth. That’s surprising. I mean -The other thing that I think would upset a lot of Harry Potter fans is [laughs] McKellen calls Gandalf the “original”? What does

he mean by that exactly? Is he trying to say that Dumbledore is a copy off of Gandalf?

Eric: No, well, surely there was Merlin before Gandalf.

Andrew: Yeah, but, yeah. So, he’s not even the original…

Eric: So, yeah, I don’t think you can call him the original. Well, then again, maybe he means…

Andrew: Hang on.

Eric: By the orginial…

Micah: The original gay wizard?

[Andrew and Andy laugh]

Andrew: Ah, so funny.

Eric: Nah. I don’t know. But I take it with a grain of – I think this is interesting because it’s good to hear his opinion on it, you know what I’m saying? Because his opinion is well, Richard Harris said he was a “crap actor,” sort of one of the things he did publicly before he died.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: So, I mean Ian’s had a steady line of work with with -I mean, the XMEN franchise and DaVinci Code, and he’s in a steady line of work and will never be out of work.

Andrew: You know, come to think of it, it would be weird if he played Gandalf and Dumbledore.

Eric: Yeah, it would.

Andrew: I mean, that’s like the same guy playing Superman also playing Batman.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Seriously.

Eric: That’s a good comparison

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: That’s a really good comparison.

Andrew: Thanks, but, you know.

Micah: It’s interesting that he said it would have been unfair. How is he saying that? I mean, is he saying that in the sense that he’s a better actor. So…

Eric: Because he out-lived Richard Harris.

Andrew: Whoa.

Micah: No, no.

Andrew: It would have been unfair to follow him after Richard Harris already said he’s a crappy actor. I guess.

Micah: But why?

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Because he would have proved just how much better he was by…?

Andrew: No.

Micah: Why?

Andrew: Just because I think that’s like…

Eric: That’s…

Andrew: …disrespecting his wishes. I mean, not directly. But it sort of is. [laughs] I don’t know.

Eric: Well – hmmm. Yeah, I don’t mind that much.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: It’s good to have an actor like, well, I was wondering other ways. Was there a good reason?

Micah: Well, just that whole icy smile part. It leads me to believe that he was sort of…

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: …conveying the message that he was a better actor so would have assumed the role, he would have ut Richard Harris
to shame. That’s what I took it.

Andrew: Well, yeah.

Eric: I’d like to see Ian McKellen try it, but him and Michael Gambon are friends, so, and apparently they never talk about it, which isn’t surprising.

Micah: Which, you know, may benifit Michael Gambon every once in awhile.

[Others laugh]

Micah: Talk to McKellen on how to play a wizard.

Andrew: Yeah, I don’t know.

Micah: Or how to act in general.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s kind of mean, Micah.

Micah: Hey, hey, no – well, yes it is. But…

Eric: I’m sorry I pulled back on that one.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: I was just waiting to see if anybody else agreed.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: I’m pulling my punches in light of this toll. It’s 120 episodes later I have decided to do that. So… [laughs]

Micah: I was going to ask Andy, though, because we’ve never heard his thoughts to what he thinks of Michael Gambon.

Andy: Well, I think he plays Dumbledore well, but my favorite has always been Richard Harris. So, I don’t think there is anyone that can replace him, but that’s just my view anyway.

Andrew: I think…

Eric: I think…

Andrew: That’s what a lot of people say.

Eric: If Richard Harris would have stayed on just for the third, I know he didn’t have much say in the matter, but…

[Andrew laughs and Andy gasps]

Eric: I reckon if… No.

[Everyone laugh]

Eric: Honestly….

Andy: I don’t think he had any say in the matter.

Eric: He were available in the third one, I think we would have seen whether, or not he could actually do it. I know a lot of people make the comment, “Oh, Richard Harris, look at him in ‘Chamber of Secrets’ it looks like he can blow him away.” Just with a bit of air, and wind, and he’d get blown away. That’s a lot of the – and he does look it. But he also had a force behind his movement. If he were in the third one, I think we would have been able to see for sure, sort of what I think are his capabilities, because that’s where Dumbledore gets kind really good at – yeah, just a little bit of hint. But we lost him when he did.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And I’m not minding Michael Gambon in Movie 5.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: But you guys haven’t seen it since theaters so.

Andy: But the thing to say about Michael Gambon is he sort of plays Dumbledore in that whole “angry” style, like in the fourth movie. “Did you put your name in the Goblet of Fire?!” And I preferred Richard Harris…

Andrew: Right, that’s what upset a lot of people.

Eric: Somebody listened to our show.

[Eric and Andy laugh]

Andrew: And also in The Order of the Phoenix, when he says, “Don’t you all have school work to do?” After he sees Trelawney.

Eric: Yeah, what was the point in that?


Announcements: Transcribing


Andrew: It’s just, we’ve talked about that a lot, though. We’ll move on. We do have a couple announcements now. Micah, you’ve got the first one.

Micah: Yeah, I’ve been getting a lot e-mails for people who are interested in transcribing for the show. I know you have mentioned that the end of one of the shows a couple of weeks back, but I think I am pretty set as far as that’s concerned for now. If anybody else does get hired, we will let you know, but please stop sending emails for now, and thanks to everybody who sent something in.

Andrew: Thanks. Let’s move on to some e-mails now.


Muggle Mail: Harry Potter and Schooling


Micah: Sure. The first e-mail comes from Stephanie, 15 of Lansing, IL, not Michigan. She said:

On last week’s episode you mentioned the school in England that improved from ‘Harry Potter.’ The Catholic elementary school I went do did just that, but for only the 4th grade. They started when I entered 5th grade and what they did was divide the grade into houses and you could earn or loose points for your house. My little sister is a proud Slytheirn, and I think the whole concept is a good idea.

Andrew: That could also help encourage students to have better behavior.

Eric: I agree.

Andrew: You know. Beause if you screw up and you bully some kid on the playground you’re going lose points for – I’m assuming it’s for stuff outside the classroom as well.

Eric: Yeah, it’s good. I like that idea a lot, especially ’cause kids know Harry Potter, you know what I’m saying?

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Like for instance, I taught CCD. I taught first grade religion classes with my mom. It’s for all the kids in the Catholic church who go to a public school.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: They get some classes, and it ends sort of eighth grade when they get confirmed in the Catholic church. Doesn’t have to end there, but it can. It usually does for most people. So we taught and I used Spiderman actually to teach religion, and it was quite a novel concept. I didn’t – because the kids knew Spiderman obviously because the first movie had come out and you know, they’d seen the cartoon series, etc. So, what I would do is I would draw Spiderman on the dry erase board and every time that they were loud or noisy, I would erase part of Spiderman. And so, the thing being that their hero – well, they would have to be good otherwise there would be no Spiderman. And it worked.

Andrew: That’s a good idea. That’s a good idea.

Eric: And I did it with Harry Potter towards the end of the year as well.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: So, that was quite good.


Muggle Mail: Does Harry Potter Lead to Other Reading?


Micah: The next one comes from Dan, 37 from New Mexico. He said:

I read a good article on the state of reading in America, and it mentions the ‘Harry’ Potter books. I have included the link to the article and the paragraphs that mention, and are important to the mention of, the ‘Harry Potter’ books. I have always believed that kids that are already reading all over the world are buying the ‘Harry Potter’ books on a huge scale. I don’t believe that the books have turned many non-reading children into readers. and if this has happened, what else are they reading now that they are true readers? Or are they just reading the ‘Harry Potter’ books?

And he goes on to list the articles from the Chicago Tribune and a bunch of quotes. But I think what he’s generally getting at is, are the Harry Potter books really getting kids to read more? Or, are they just reading Harry Potter and then not moving on to anything else?

Eric: Well, that’s an interesting question. I think it’s an interesting Muggle Mail as well. I’m happy to read it and contemplate. I think that even if they’re only reading the Harry Potter books, that’s sort of 30 or 40,000 more words than they would be reading. Or, you know, at least seven more big books. Even if they’re… So, the question is, I guess, are they making kids read more in general or are they just reading more Harry Potter books. But I’ve found that the Harry Potter books have been – that’s why I like them so much because I can read them and can enjoy them. They’re written in such a way so as to like – but like, it’s true, I haven’t read too terribly much beyond Harry Potter since Harry Potter with the exception of a few Stephen King novels. So, I would perhaps be in that column.

Micah: Right. And one interesting quote that came from the article that he put in his e-mail said: “It’s great that millions of kids are reading these long, intricate novels, but reading one such book every 18 months doesn’t make up for daily reading.”

Andrew: Yeah, I think this is a good point. I mean, when I first read this I was like, “Wow, that’s actually pretty true.” Because the Harry Potter books are credited with getting children to read, but the question is, does it keep them reading? Like, you know, okay they’ll just read Harry Potter, you know? Is it long term?

Eric: Though fair enough, I think there are plenty of fans, and we might hear from them in Muggle Mails next week, that have actually, you know, were introduced to reading. I think there are. I think there are some. Maybe not as large a scale as people think, in that case Dan is right to point this out. It feels like debunking, or just it feels like a blow, but it’s not. But I’m sure there are people that have gotten into reading and have read sort of the other fantasy novels out there. Like, for instance, Lord of the Rings, I would – I can see how people would read Harry Potter first and then get into Lord of the Rings as opposed to the other way around, because Lord of the Rings are quite intense to read and so if you like the – well it depends on what you like about Harry Potter. If it’s Jo’s writing style, and that’s the thing you like the most, you might only read the Harry Potter books. If you like the fantasy genre as a genre, you will be highly interested in reading any or all other science fiction and other fantasy books.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: You know what I’m saying. Phillip Pullman, for instance. With all these movies coming out and treatments and Northern Lights or Golden Compass or whatever, coming out as well I think. With Harry Potter fans with the completion of the series are looking for books to read.

Andrew: Yeah. It definitely inspires them to read beyond Harry Potter, but the question is do they stick with it.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Right.

Eric: And that is unpredictable. I don’t think…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: And I just found it interesting that they were quoting people from the Penguin Group and Simon and Schuster, all these other companies, instead of maybe asking somebody from Scholastic.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: So.

Eric: There is a good…

Andrew: They could be reached for comment.

Micah: RIght.

Eric: There is a good quote here. “There are so many nuances”, Whiteman says, “reading scores don’t necessarily have today’s sells.” [laughs] I find that funny.

Micah: Well, yeah, I mean I think what they were getting at was, “Do the ‘Harry Potter’ books, when there are a release. Are they skewing the sales”

Eric: Stats.

Micah: “…the teenage range so much that you think that there is this large group of people out there that are buying these books, but really it is just because of one major release.”

Eric: Well, in that case I would be “pro” the idea that no there is not enough reading out there and we should pay more attention to books than we should to iPhones, sorry Andrew. [laughs]

[Andrew sighs deeply]

Micah: But…

Eric: Or iPod touch.

[Andrew sighs deeply]

Eric: Or – look, I love iTunes okay? I just got, you guys saw my blickle I have “Phase,” itis a great video game for iPod. I love it. It takes all these songs and it Guitar Hero-izes them.

Andrew: Yeah I say that. It looks pretty cool. But, hey…

Micah: So lets get back to Jo.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: She has always said that the biggest thing that she has gotten out of all of this is that kids not only read her books but go on to read other stuff, so hopefully that is the case.

Eric: Yeah, and I think she would probably because they would send her the letters. You know what I am saying.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And, I think it is also impossible to not just – the other thing is these statistics, because the Chicago Tribune did them, are American. You know, so think about all the countries worldwide that are – that is the whole reason why the Harry Potter fandom is so massive is because of all the other countries who are reading these books and everybody knows Harry.

Micah: I am going to go out on a limb and I am going to get a lot of e-mails, but I am going to say that other countries, putting the U.S. aside, probably generally read more than Americans do.

Eric: Oh, well that is a good point. And you are right.

Andrew: I agree.

MuggleCast 121 Transcript (continued)


Muggle Mail: HD Production Problems


Andrew: Lets move on now to some more e-mails. Next one comes from Kevin, 21 of Chicago, Illinois, not our Kevin.

Hey, I’m not too sure if any of you keep up with high definition movie releases as in Blu-ray and HD-DVD, but within the past month or so Warner Brothers has had to postpone several of their high def releases with no explanation. This makes me think that they may be having HD production problems, so, for the ‘Harry Potter’ series, they wanted to allow themselves enough time to be able to meet the HD demand in the US. After all, the Harry Potter movies will likely make it into their top selling HD releases, and releasing them day-and-date with the DVD will promote HD sales. This is just speculation of course, but hey that’s what ‘Harry Potte’r podcasts are all about, right?

Andrew: Right.

Eric: What is the question?

Andrew: No it is not a question. It is a statement. Last week we talked about why is the Harry Potter DVD being delayed? Or was it two weeks ago, I lose track.

Micah: It was last week.

Eric: Because it was out overseas, and why is it waiting till December 11th?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Okay. It’s a Christmas thing.

Andrew: Well I did do a quick check on Amazon.com to see if they – actually Amazon.co.uk to see if they had them in stick in the UK, the HD and Blu-ray discs and they do. So, that might suggest that might not be a problem with that? The High Definition movie releases? Although I guess you will need a crap load more us Americans, since, I’m sure a hot holiday item this season is going to be the High Definition Movie players. So…

Eric: I am pretty sure if they wanted to produce an extra 500 million copies of the HD DVD a month ago they could have done it though.

Andrew: Yea,h but there has been delays in supply has been low. I do not know, I still seriously think it had something to do with the Hairspray DVD release.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I am just saying because I think it is competitive.

Eric: No, I think it is possible, they didn’t want to compete with Hairspray. They knew that they would lose.

Andrew: well, I don’t know if they would lose but if you are going out with your kid is – if their parent is going out to buy a DVD at Wal-Mart, per say. You know, typically they will get one DVD. You know, it is typical competition.

Eric: Oh my god, I miss Wal-Mart.

Andrew: Wal-Mart is all right. That’s where I bought my Hairspray DVD.

Micah: well, what about extra things being included on this DVD as opposed to maybe something on the others. Is that possible? I mean, would they include more scenes, say, from Half-Blood Prince or something like that?

Andrew: Oh, I mean all the scenes are viewable online. Unless…

Eric: Are they?

Andrew: Yes. You put your DVD in the computer, and it takes you to the site, and you can watch them.

Eric: Oh right.

Micah: Oh, that’s true.

Eric: Oh. I haven’t explored my disc 2 yet. I’m bad.

Micah: But see the Christmas argument doesn’t really hold up with me either. It is going to be Christmas in the UK also. So, why the difference?

Andrew: Yeah, right.

Eric: Well, no, but the American in consumerized. America just wants to delay it, because they know they are going to get the hype up. You know?

Andrew: Yeah. Could be. Well…

Eric: That’s what I heard.

Andrew: Well, whatever. We may never know the true reason.

Andy: But waiting an entire month to delay it?

Andrew: Yeah. I know…

Eric: Yes. Absolutely, because maybe it’s a stupid corporate idea, but it’s an idea.

Andrew: I could see why it would be delayed for Australia or Germany…

Andy: Every DVD we ever get is delayed here.

Eric: Well, New Zealand runs out of iPods.

Micah: Really?

Andrew: Really?

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Hmmm. Hmmm.

Eric: You can actually go into a store now and they could say that it is capable that they ran out of them in the country.

Micah: Yeah. Well, there is some business strategy to this. We just don’t know what it is. [laughs]

Andrew: Right. Right. [laughs]

Eric: We have contacts, don’t we? Couldn’t we e-mail them?


Chapter-by-Chapter Returns


Andrew: Yeah. We could. I keep forgetting. I don’t think they’ll give a comment. They’ll just be like, “because..” I’ll see, I’ll look into it. All right. That is all we have for emails this week, because we have a segment that we are bringing back this week. I think the last segment, Chapter-by-Chapter segment was Episode 44 it looks like, back in mid-June of 2006.

Eric: That was more than two-thirds of the show ago, so by the first third of what the show is now, Chapter-by-Chapter was gone, out of the scene, zip, out, patouie. Why was that Andrew?

Andrew: Well, ummm, we had mixed feedback about Chapter-by-Chapter originally, and well throughout the thing’s run some people really lpved it, some people didn’t like it so much, so we took a break from it for a while, and then Book 7 came around and we sort of just scrapped it all together. The original plan, I think I remember sitting on the phone with you about this Eric was we were going to start at a certain day, and we were going to doing it so that we could complete every chapter between Books 1 and 6 right before, leading up to the Book 7 release. Was that – wasn’t that the original plan?

Eric: I’m kind of glad we didn’t.

Andrew: Now, I’m glad we didn’t either, because…

Eric: Yeah, it was difficult, especially with the movie being released in conjunction. It was just – we had so many…

Andrew: Other things to talk about.

Eric: I think we did quite well on content.

Andrew: Yeah, we did do well.

Eric: I think we did quite well in content and there were mixed reviews on Chapter-by-Chapter, and it was for very good reason, so what we have decided to do – this was what, Andrew’s idea? Because, well explain about Book 7.

Andrew: Well, it wasn’t even my idea. I mean we have been talking about this for a while, but and then [laughs] it is going to sound like I am trying to blame it on someone, but Micah was suggesting…

Micah: You’re going to say. Yeah, I knew it.

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: Micah suggested last week or a couple weeks ago that – okay, we have been thinking about bringing it back. Okay? So shoot me. [laughs] Fine. Call it my idea. Whatever. I don’t care. We are going to bring it back this week. Well, we are going to start where we are going to go through Deathly Hallows. We are going to start with Chapter 1 this week, but we are going to tweak the segment a little bit. We are going to treat it differently, and we are going to take our first shot at it with today’s show, and we think it is going to go pretty well. I do. Micah does. Andy does.

Micah: Yeah, and…

Andy: Sure do.

Eric: I do too.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Eric: So, for this new revamp, and now for new listeners or for those of you who are not terribly familiar with this, we will just do a recap.

Andrew: We do have a lot of new listeners since then, so go for it.

Eric: Yeah. Yeah. We go by – I think what one of the original ideas was between Jamie and myself, we were talking about it once, and we said well wouldn’t it be great – no, no, this wasn’t Jamie’s idea. Wouldn’t it be great if we had a read with all of our listeners where we read a chapter and they read a chapter and each week we talked about it on the show? This would give us sort of endless content, one for each chapter would last forever. It’s the podcaster’s ideal thing. If not for main discussion, it could provide – and it was an interesting idea. In concept it was a bit interesting, and basically what remained was that the MuggleCasters did read a chapter of the first book until we did end up completing the first book.

Andrew: We did.

Eric: What we do, yup, is we read each chapter of the Harry Potter series, and we bring up some key points, discussion topics, and we talk about what happens in the books. Now with Book 7 this will be interesting and different, because it will be a very nice way of – we have done overviews of Book 7. Over the past 20 episodes we have talked about what happened in Book 7, but never at this detail, and never with a complete, well what was it actually? What actually happened? You guys agree?

Micah: Yeah. And I think a lot of new people have asked for this. They want us to go through Book 7 chapter-by-chapter, and so that’s really why it’s coming back, because people want it.

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: And it is our segment.

Andrew: And admittedly, we have sort of taken – we’ve sort of gone away from in-depth discussion that we used to do. We haven’t been doing it as much lately. I mean, we’ve been talking about gay characters, and Hairspray

Eric: That’s certainly true.

Andrew: And what Harry Potter conferences are bugging us. So, we’re kind of…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: So…

Eric: We have to show them we still got it and we’re not just arrogant, pompous, teenage boys.

Andrew: Gay boys.

Eric: [sarcastically] Gay, teenage boys who like Hairspray and are really happy that – anyway…

Andrew: Let’s go on to the actual segment. Let’s do this.

Eric: Okay. So, before we begin, I wanted to do this Chapter-by-Chapter shortly. Now, I know you guys are thinking, great, great. No, no. Some listeners may or may not know, I mean, I haven’t been on too many episodes – not so many as I used to be, recently, but some listeners may very well know that I didn’t have the fondest, warmest reception to Book 7 initially. I have a vow that I will re-read this book with a keen eye and I will be absolutely – I won’t go easy on it, but I’m going to completely re-envision what I think because we’re going chapter-by-chapter. All the Mugglecasters are doing this every – I don’t know about every show, but we’ll be doing this throughout all of Book 7, and I won’t be biased. We’re going to do it.

Andrew: Okay, sweet.

Eric: I’m really enthused.


Chapter 1: The Dark Lord Ascending


Andrew: So, let’s get right into it. We’re going to start with “The Dark Lord Ascending,” Chapter One.

Eric: Everybody, books open. I believe this a…

Andrew: Yeah, everybody open up your books to page one.

Eric: What page is it in the U.S.?

Andrew: Page one. It’s page one.

Eric: It opens on page ten – or nine, actually, in the U.K. edition.

Andy: Yeah, nine.

Andrew: Fantastic.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: We’re going to start with a basic summary. In short, it’s Voldemort and all of his Death Eaters around one table planning – or, well, listening to Voldemort’s plan to kill Harry Potter. He’s telling his friends, our foes, that he is going to kill Harry Potter himself because he’s made too many mistakes. So, that’s basically how it opens up and our initial thoughts on this chapter, first chapter.

Eric: We’ll go around the table. We’ll go around the table.


Movie-Like Opening


Andrew: Yeah. Let me just start by saying this is a perfect way to open a book. It’s very movie-like.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: It’s a very movie-like opening because it’s very short and find out exactly what the villain in this – I’m just going to call it a film right now – film is going to be trying to do throughout the entire film, and it’s short and sweet…

Eric: You can say text.

Andrew: And it ends with a death. It’s just – it’s so fitting. It’s going to be a perfect movie opening. Next.

Eric: I agree. Micah, what do you think?

Micah: I agree completely, actually. Andrew and I were talking about this before we started the show and saying how awesome of a way this is to open up Deathly Hallows. You know? The Avada Kedavra, the flash of green light and then Voldemort saying, you know, the whole line of “Dinner, Nagini” and you can see it just transferring over to Hedwig’s Theme and that’s how the seventh movie opens up.

Andrew: Hopefully they keep it in. [laughs]

Micah: [laughs] Yeah, if they’re listening now, yeah, you better keep that in.

Andrew: David, David, my buddy.

Eric: I don’t think, though, that they’ll have a problem with this book because this is quite – this is short. This is a short book. In the U.K. edition, isn’t it the third longest book?

Micah: Right.

Eric: I think it’s behind…

Micah: Something like that.

Eric: Yeah. I think it’s behind Book 5 for sure…

Micah: Right, but you can see the movie opening like that, similar, really, to how Goblet of Fire opened up with Frank Bryce being killed.

Eric: Yeah. It’s very, very similar, and also a bit – you get a lot of star power with all of the actors. You’ll see Alan Rickman and Jason Isaacs…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And all of them – and Ralph Fiennes – right in the very beginning, and it’s a great – you’re right – it’s very movie-esque and very good for the narrative of the text.

Andrew: Have we seen Alan Rickman and Ralph Fiennes on the same scene together yet?

Eric: Have they been together?

Andrew: I don’t think so, have we?

Eric: No, no, not together because they would be…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, no we haven’t.

Andrew: Yeah, that’ll be very cool.

Eric: And Snape wasn’t at the end of Movie 5, as far as I recall.

Andrew: Nope.

Eric: Yep. I can’t wait.

Micah: Andy?

Andrew: Yeah, Andy?

Andy: All right, well, I have to re-preface this by saying Book 7 was my favorite book, so that’s good.

Andrew: Oooh.


The Malfoy Manor


Andy: But I think this was a very good chapter and the thing I really enjoyed about it was something I’ve been wanting to see for a long time, which is the Malfoy Manor. And then we get taken right into it, so, I thought that was fantastic.

Eric: Yep. Yep. We’re at the Malfoy Manor.

Andrew: Yeah, it’s about time.

Eric: Isn’t that awesome? After six books- that’s actually our first point here. After six books of knowing the Malfoys, disliking the Malfoys – well, I don’t know, some people thought Draco was kind of cute, but… [laughs] We’re at the Malfoy Manor. Arthur Weasley has been here. Other characters have been there. This is where Dobby was from, we’re talking, and we mean it. And, guys, what do we see? What do we see? What do we see? What do we have…

Andrew: Voldemort is there!

Eric: Voldemort’s there and, guys, we have – they’re white. They’re sleek. They’re shiny. They’re peacocks.

Micah: [laughs] What?

Eric: The Malfoy Manor has peacocks! Did you guys not find – I find this – I put this as number one on our key points here. Isn’t that awesome? What else about the Manor do you guys find interesting that we’re introduced to in this book or in this chapter?

Andrew: Well, I like how Jo describes it as a handsome manor.

Eric: Yeah, it’s very handsome.

Andrew: “Out of the darkness at the end of the straight drive was glinting…” Yeah, of course we’ve talked about it a million times before, but Jo’s just very descriptive with all of her scenes.


The Prisoner: Ollivander


Eric: No, it’s really written well. I think that’s very demonstrative, and you guys remember in the middle of their talks they – you hear a whine, a moan, a distinct sort of noise, and Voldemort turns to Wormtail and says, “I thought you were keeping our prisoner in line?”

Andrew: Yeah, no, wait a second. What – what was that?

Eric: That was Ollivander.

Andy: That was Ollivander, yeah.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Eric: From underneath, but we don’t know that yet.

Andrew: That makes sense now.

Eric: So, we just spoiled it for all the people who haven’t read Book 7 yet, and were waiting for us to do Chapter-by-Chapter. [aughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Nevermind.

Andrew: Because I was confused because the Hogwarts teacher is the prisoner. I was like, “Why is he running off if the Hogwarts teacher is right there?”


Snape and Yaxley


Eric: Right. Yeah, it was a bit confusing. So, when they go into the room – now this is when you meet Snape and Yaxley, right?

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: Snape and the Death Eater Yaxley, who are – they have their wands out at each other. They draw their – and this line worried me, because I think this was released just prior to, like, the week of the seventh book, wasn’t it? This first apparent opening had been leaked?

Andrew: Yeah, it did. Yeah, it did.

Eric: And, just the way Snape says, when asked, “You have news?” Snape says, ” The best.” You know? “Replied Snape.”

Andrew: “The best.”

Eric: That worried me very, very much because this is just after – you have to take yourself back. This is the night of, or the night after, or well, actually quite a bit after, but it’s – it’s just after Snape has killed Dumbledore, and I took it to mean, “Oh no, maybe we were all fooled for thinking Snape was good, because he says… Well, it’s the best, and he’s grinning and he’s like I have the best news of all. I thought he was delivering the news that he had killed Dumbledore, but he wasn’t, so that’s good.


Draco


Andrew: Yeah. So, then we get into the house and there’s that floating human figure, and then Jo intros Draco, but doesn’t directly say that it’s Draco. What page is this on?

Eric: She says, “A boy with sleek hair…”

Andrew: Yeah, that’s it

Eric: “…was the only one paying attention to Charity Burbage.”

Andrew: Ah ha! I don’t know about you guys, but I knew right away that was Draco. Who else could it be?

Eric: I read it twice, and then I figured it was him.

Andrew: Really?

Eric: Yeah, because it was like…

Micah: Well, they are in his house.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: But it’s interesting that he should be in the Death Eater meeting, not – I mean, I realize that at the end of Book 6 we find out that he’s been inducted as a Death Eater.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: But I think it’s – I think it’s quite interesting to have the whole family there, which we’ll get into in a moment.

Andrew: Yes, the whole family thing, and how Voldemort responds. So, Draco, you can tell at this point that Draco is still exactly as he has been. He’s weak, he’s not – he shouldn’t be a Death Eater. He’s scared at the sight of Charity Burbage. Is that how you pronounce his name?

Eric: Yep. Her name.

Andrew: Her name.

Micah: Her name.

Andrew: He’s scared of her floating right there, right in front of him.

Eric: Kind of creepy.

Andrew: Draco’s a wuss. He’s not – he’s not…

Eric: I think he’s realizing…

Andrew: He’s not as great as he thinks he is.

Eric: Yeah. I think he’s realizing, at this point more than ever, he’s in over his head, or at least Charity’s over his head. But…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: He’s in over his head now, and – and he can’t get out. There’s no way out. So, he just has to sit there and look glum, you know? And hope he doesn’t get noticed by Voldemort, as he does.

Andrew: Right. So then they start talking about the Ministry of Magic.

Eric: Yes, they their plan is to…

Micah: I wanted to bring up…

Eric: …overthrow it.

Andrew: Go ahead.

Eric: What’s up?


Snape Blocking Voldemort


Micah: No, I just wanted to bring up one thing that I thought – and it does relate to all this, but when they first started getting into talking about the plan and the news that Snape brought. How Snape sort of conveys that information to Voldemort and how Snape is so very sure about when Harry is being moved. And I’m just going to quote it right here because, you know, this goes back to the whole idea of Voldemort being able to read into Snape’s mind and Snape being so good at locking him out. It says, “His red eyes fastened upon Snape’s black ones with such intensity that some of the watchers looked away, apparently fearful that they themselves would be scorched by the ferocity of the gaze. Snape, however, looked calmly back into Voldemort’s face and after a moment or two, Voldemort’s lipless mouth curved into something like a smile.” So, it’s clear that Snape has to be extremely powerful to do what he’s doing and it shows even in the first chapter of Book 7.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Again, yeah, the Snape thing – no, you’re right. You’re completely right. And Snape – where is Snape? Snape is seated at the “right hand” of Voldemort, literally the chair right beside him. “Severus, I was saving this for you.” As soon as he walks in, he sits at the “right hand” of Voldemort, which is because significant…

Micah: You think he said it like that?

Eric: He said it exactly like that in his…

Andrew: “Oh Severus, come here.”

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: in his eyes. What you didn’t know about…

Andrew: “I saved you a seat.”

Eric: No, look, if he’s the next one to come out, I’m leaving, literally. I’m literally – I’m just leaving.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: I’m leaving. You’ll hear a door close.

Andrew: No, he was in love with Lily.

Eric: And, yeah. No.

Andrew: We know that.

Eric: Yeah. No, I’m talking Voldemort.

Andrew: Oh, oh, oh.

Andy: He wasn’t in love with anybody.

Eric: [Eric laughs] Okay, anyway. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. He’s not capable of love, so I’ll continue to believe that.

Andrew: Straight love.

Eric: No, the right hand of Voldemort, that’s symbolic. So, Snape is so trusted and so powerful, he sits at the right hand of Voldemort. And Voldemort’s got that snake all around him so that’s pretty creepy because the snake – the snake would be – it’s described as being as big as a man’s thigh.

Andrew: Yeah, and the snake will just straight up will kill you.

Eric: And it does in the end.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Oh, spoiler again. But I mean, snake, Snape and Voldie, right there. That – that’s just ugh. That’s like a bad board meeting gone wrong.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: So they’re talking hostile take-overs.


Capturing Harry


Andrew: Yeah. So, Voldemort saying that he needs to kill off Harry Potter himself and thanks to Snape’s information, he decides – well, he realizes that Harry’s not going to go through Portkey or Floo Powder, so he’s going to catch him right out in person! He’s going to catch him out in broad darkness or daylight. He’s going to catch him. And it’s not going to be through magic because the Ministry of Magic could be watching – or, well, they know that the Ministry could be watching or the Death Eaters. [sighs] So…

Eric: Exactly.

Andrew: So…

Eric: There’s a quote here.

Andrew: Okay.

Eric: Quote here is “I shall attend to the boy in person. There have been too many mistakes where Harry Potter is concerned. Some of them have been my own. That Potter lives is due more to my errors than to his triumphs.” Lord Voldemort says this in – on page 13 in the UK edition. He says that there have been errors and they’ve been more Voldemort’s fault than they have been due to Harry’s, you know, dumb luck, basically. Voldemort’s…

Micah: That’s…

Eric: .Goes on to say more about this.

Micah: Page six in our U.S. edition.

Eric: Page six? That’s really interesting. Yeah. But yeah, he says that. And then he goes on to it. So, this is sort of setting up that Voldemort is aware of his past failings and is really keen on not making any more mistakes when it comes to Harry Potter.

Micah: I thought that statement was so ironic, though, if you think about.

Eric: Oh, it’s very. It’s very ironic. That’s why…

Micah: Because there he is talking about his mistakes and yet he’s unaware of the fact…

Eric: He’s going to make a boatload.

Micah: Oblivious to the fact of how many more mistakes he’s made and how far along in the process Harry already is.

Eric: Yeah, by the end of this book, he’s going to make a boatload more mistakes.

MuggleCast 121 Transcript (continued)


Infiltrating the Ministry


Andrew: So then, I mean, the next point: the Ministry of Magic. There’s obviously some problems here.

Eric: They’ve confunded – yeah, no, that’s Dawlish who is susceptible to Confundus Charms. They’ve infiltrated in Ministry people. Death Eaters have placed their people and a single missed move will cost Voldemort several weeks if they act too soon on Scrimgeour. But they’ve infiltrated the Ministry. This sets up the rest of the book, some of the – one of the premises.


Voldemort’s Needs a Wand


Andrew: Then comes a little scene with the Malfoys. And Voldemort’s looking for a wand. He needs a wand and he decides that Lucius’ wand would do – would be the one that he needs. So, Lucius is a little reluctant at first. He can’t believe it. And when Voldemort takes the wand Lucius is expecting to receive Voldemort’s. That gets a laugh out of Voldemort. Voldemort LOLs.

[Eric and Andy laugh]

Andrew: And, he’s like, “Yeah, you’re not getting my wand, sorry.” And then Voldemort is like, “Well, you best be appreciative of me being here. Aren’t you not? Are you not?” It takes Bellatrix to reassure Voldemort that they love having him there. “It’s the highest honor,” says Bellatrix.

Eric: “There can be no greater pleasure.”

Andrew: And Voldemort gets all sappy. He’s like, “Oh, that means so much for me.”

[Eric laughs]

Eric: No, that’s not sappy.

Micah: He rips her apart.

Eric: He’s saying, “Oh, that means so much coming from you.”

Micah: Whose niece is banging a werewolf.

Andrew: Well, yeah but…

Eric: Yeah. [laughs] Banging a werewolf?

[Andy laughs]

Andrew: I thought that sort of meant he was serious, but I thought the whole Lupin thing was a separate story.

Eric: No, he killed Sirius. Death by curtain.


Back to the Ministry


Andy: One point that I was going to bring up, and sorry to back pedal here, but it’s about the whole Ministry infiltration thing. This is actually the first time in the six intermit books that I, that the thought ever really before crossed my mind where the good guys might not win, you know? Which I thought was interesting.

Andrew: I mean, because once the government is infiltrated, you know, you’re kind of in trouble.

Eric: Yeah, there’s no – it’s just absolutely, and knowing that Voldemort’s a half-blood and listening to him talk about this purity thing, you get the hypocrisy of it all. I think Jo does convey that quite a bit, because this is very personal, well, not very personal, but this is very dangerous, a meeting of the villain of the series at the very beginning of the book talking about purging the world.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Right.

Eric: And that is why they kill Charity Burbage, the Muggle Studies professor, for polluting the minds of Pureblood, namely, wizards. To say that, well, Muggles and wizards should get along. So… What do you think?

Micah: I’d say on the Ministry side of it, though, back to what Andy was saying also is that it’s interesting how Snape sort of plants the seed in Voldemort’s mind that the Order has no trust in the Ministry. And, I just found that also kind of ironic because the Order has never really had much trust in the Ministry even from Book 5 on.

Eric: Right.

Andy: True, yeah.

Micah: I just found that interesting that Snape would sort of throw that out there. And Voldemort’s response was pretty much, “Oh, all the better. He’s going to have to move in the open anyway now, since they don’t trust the Ministry.

Eric: Totally.

Micah: And I just thought that was kind of interesting to play that card.

Andy: Yeah. The Ministry has proved a number of times that they can be pretty incompetent, so, I mean, it’s understandable that the Order doesn’t trust them.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Oh yea, no. But they would have to, it’s also said that they want to protect the house with the best spells that both the Ministry and the Order can think up. So, they do accept the help sort of when they can trust them, or when they can, you know, use the sort of brute force of, or, the numbers, the sheer numbers and governmental support from the Ministry. You know? But they don’t trust them.


Charity Burbage


Andrew: So, then Charity has to take one for the team.

Eric: Hmmm.

Andrew: And has to be killed while Snape just looks on and acts like: sorry, nothing I can do about it. Going to blow my cover. And then that concludes Chapter One. It’s a short chapter and, like we said, it’s going to be a great movie opening. Here’s hoping that they actually keep everything in. That whole Chapter-by-Chapter segment went by pretty quick. Is there anything else you guys want to add about it?

Micah: I had a few things. Sorry.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Micah: I don’t mean to extend it out.

Andrew: God forbid we plan it beforehand, put it in our show planner.

Micah: [laughs] Yeah. Sorry.

Andrew: What do you have to add?

Micah: No, I was just going to bring up the killing scene. Something very interesting. If you go back and you notice what Charity says. Take a look.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: It’s a very common line that has been used throughout the course of the series.

Andrew: “Severus, please, please.”

Micah: Yep.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: It’s the same thing that Narcissa says to Snape in “Spinner’s End.” It’s also the same thing Dumbledore says to Severus before he dies.

Andrew: Yeah. How fitting.

Eric: Oh, “Severus please.” At the will of Severus. At the mercy, rather. At the mercy. At the mercy of.

Andrew: But, you know.

Eric: Yeah. She’s highlighted Snape again.

Andrew: Here’s my thing, though. I guess she’s desperate, she has got to plead with him, but does – even if Snape was willing to be the good guy in that situation, Voldemort would have just killed him. So like, Charity was screwed, she should have known that. But then again…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: …I guess you just have to, you know, do whatever you can.

Eric: Well, I think it makes…

Andy: But when you’re about to die…

Andrew: Yeah. Exactly.

Eric: Yeah. I think it makes Snape look better anyway. That she’s like pleading to him. She trusts him as a friend, which just shows how good of, you know, a good guy he played, you know, the part of, that people are turning to him for help and he offers none. And then she dies. Voldemort likes that. Voldemort likes killing her when she’s tortured and her one, you know, supposed ally is just completely impassive and doesn’t do a thing. You know, doesn’t even look at her. That’s what he wants; for his victims to be alone and friendless at the time of their death, just like he will be.


Bellatrix Killing Tonks


Micah: Yeah. I meannother thing I picked up on, which is unrelated to this, was when Voldemort was talking to Bellatrix – and to her about pruning her tree, as far as the Black family tree was concerned and she’s the one who ends up killing…

Eric: Yeah, he’s not talking about horticulture. Voldemort is not a horticulturist, as far as we know.

Micah: Yeah, well there’s…

Eric: And by pruning…

Micah: Yeah, well, there’s plenty of other ways you could go with that too, but I’m not going to get into that.

Andrew: [laughs] Hey, let’s not.

Micah: [laughs] Yeah, my point was, she’s talking about killing Tonks very early on and we all know that’s what ends up happening.

Eric: And that’s interesting that we mentioned Remus Lupin, because isn’t Lupin… Now, when I read this, I was concerned, because Voldemort – it’s of Voldemort’s attention that Remus Lupin (the half-breed werewolf) has married Nymphadora Tonks. Now, I don’t know how secret the Order thought they should have kept it, but they clearly, I mean, if Voldemort knows that Remus Lupin is not a good werewolf, why – I was worried for Remus basically in this book, because if he’s still doing undercover things with the werewolves, trying to fit in, Voldemort could stop that with a single word. He could just tell them that Remus is not, no matter what, a good werewolf on the bad side to be swayed, and he should be killed, and they would kill him the next time they saw him. You know what I’m saying?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: But he was spending time with Tonks at home, so I don’t think he was anymore within the werewolves than like he was in Book 6, so I don’t think his assignment continued, I guess. So, any other points or favorite lines from the series?


Favorite Quotes


Andrew: Yeah, there was another part of Chapter-by-Chapter we’re going to start doing now. But, I mean, we did go through the one, “I shall attend to the boy in person.” I think we also mentioned “Dinner and Nagini” is also a great one. Great movie closer for Hedwig’s Theme; the fade in, as Nagini’s slithering down…

Eric: Hmmm, twisted. Wouldn’t that be really twisted? Hedwig’s Theme like… [sings Hedwig’s Theme in a distorted manner]

Andrew: [laughs] It’s like the remix. I hope that they include the line, “Draco fell out of his chair onto the floor.”. I have a hard time actually picturing Draco just straight up fall out of his chair onto the floor just by seeing a dead body…

Eric: Well, you’ve got to realize it’s a human body. It weighs at least 150, 130, something like that.

Andrew: But the body didn’t push him over.

Eric: Well, no, but it’s a resounding crack on a – I assume it’s a mahogany table, so maybe it didn’t make that large of a crack, but that’s pretty creepy.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: A whole body just falling right in front of you like literally – that’s – that’s not…

Andrew: Yeah, I guess.


Mysterious Character


Micah: There was one other thing that I was wondering about in this chapter.

Eric: Whats up?

Micah: And it’s actually a character who is never given any sort of identification. In the beginning, I thought it was Slughorn, but I guess in the end it turned out not to be. It’s on page four in this chapter in the American edition, and they talk about “a squat man sitting a short distance from Yaxley,” and they say that he gave “a wheezy giggle.” That just kind of reminded me of Slughorn.

Eric: Ho, ho.

Micah: It was just that he was never identified as a specific character. I mean, I’m sure he could be some random Death Eater, but…

Eric: Hey, what’s the quote? Find some quotes right around it if you can.

Micah: I said – it says, “The Order’s got one thing right then, eh?”, referring to the fact that they had infiltrated the Ministry.

Andrew: You don’t think it was Pettigrew?

Micah: No.

Eric: Nah, he wouldn’t speak like that.

Micah: I guess it could’ve been.

Eric: Like, I thought it was too.

Andrew: It could be. It may be. “He gave a wheezy giggle that was echoed here and there along the table.”

Andy: I thought it was one of the Carrows. Amycus or Alecto.

Andrew: Yeah. It is kind of strange, though, that Jo wouldn’t even go on to mention him, whoever this “him” was. But I mean, ’cause then she does bring out Wormtail.

Eric: Ladies and gentlemen, this is page 12 in the U.K. edition – top of page 12.

Andrew: [laughs] See, the other thing about this segment is that we sort of think out loud. And we go through, you know.


Back to Favorite Quotes: Bellatrix


Eric: Yeah. My quote was just this really brilliant line about Bellatrix when he first – after Bellatrix assures Voldemort that there is no greater pleasure than his presence in their family’s home. After she says it, there’s actually a line Jo Rowling writes: “Where Narcissa sat, rigid and impassive, Bellatrix leaned towards Voldemort, for mere words could not demonstrate her longing for closeness.” That is a brilliant character line for Bellatrix.

Micah: Does she not get any from her husband or something? [laughs] I mean…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Bellatrix does – oh, well, I don’t know.

Micah: Yeah, she’s married.

Eric: [sighs] Is that an actual question? Does Bellatrix get any?

Micah: [laughs] Well, I mean, look at the quote.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Well, yeah, no, no. Yeah, it’s true.

Micah: Get Rodolphus…

Eric: “For mere words could not demonstrate…”

Micah: …some Viagra or something.

Eric: “…her longing for closeness.” [laughs] Maybe there’s no magical solution yet. What would the Latin be? Think about it. Erectus? What, you know…

Micah: [laughs] I guess.

Eric: [laughs] Magna – no, erectus maxima, yeah.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: I don’t know. I don’t know, man.

Micah: Engorgio, maybe.

Eric: [laughs] Engorgio. No, no, Micah, that serves a different purpose. Jesus.

Micah: [laughs] What purpose is that?

Eric: To make it bigger.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: Not harder, but bigger.

[Andy laughs]


Feedback


Andrew: Okay, well this concludes Chapter-by-Chapter for this week. Hopefully everyone enjoyed it. And we want to encourage everyone to send in their feedback about Chapter 1, the things that we discussed, and we’ll get to them next weekend in the listener rebuttals and…

Eric: As well as style. Style, too. If you have any ideas about what we should kind of do to tweak it…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …and to change it, see if we do – because we did
what?

Andrew: We’re still…

Eric: We did summary, key points, and favorite lines.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: We’ll follow an outline better…

Andrew: Yeah, we’ll follow an outline.

Micah: …for next week.

Andrew: And Micah will actually include his stuff, and…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Well, the idea was to pick like the top five plot points and then just discuss those instead of just going all over the place, because that way we can just focus on the big stuff. And maybe we can include a little part, something called, like, “A Little Thing” or “The Little Things,” but I don’t know. It’s just hard…

Eric: Yeah, right. Yeah, no, I think it was accurate. And it was easy to pull five things from this chapter and talk about them.

Andrew: Okay, well…

Eric: It’s such a short chapter, so…

Andrew: Next week, we will be discussing Chapter 2, “In Memoriam.” This is a good chapter because it comes with Rita Skeeter’s article about Albus Dumbledore, and that was a good read.

Eric: Nice intro, yeah.

Andrew: So, let’s get to that next week. Read it beforehand, everyone, and then you can all follow along as we discuss it. It’s sort of fun and interactive.

Eric: Absolutely.

Andrew: Next week, Chapter 2. Isn’t it great holding, like – I get real pleasure out of just holding this book. It’s in pristine condition, like, just the shape and the – it’s just a beautiful work of art. [laughs]

Eric: I have the one that you guys all signed…

Andrew: Awww.

Eric: …so I’m really happy about that.

Andrew: That’s cute.

Micah: I didn’t sign it.

Eric: Well, Micah, you should’ve come to London.

Andrew: Everyone who was there.

Micah: You said, “You all.” I don’t think Andy signed it, did you, Andy?

[Andrew and Andy laugh]

Andy: Eric actually signed my Half-Blood Prince book, anyway.

Eric: Okay, Andrew, I have the copy that you signed. Yeah, man, that’s awesome.


HUH!? Facebook Message of the Week


Andrew: Hey, let’s move on to – I didn’t have a HUH?! E-mail of the Week, but I actually just got this Facebook message and I feel like I have to read it. It’s time for my HUH?! Facebook Message of the Week. I’m going to leave this person nameless because that would just be embarrassing. The message says:

First, I just wanted to say your podcast is still great. I had my doubts when the final book came out that you could keep it going with good material, and I’m happy to see that you guys are still number one in my book. When I’m bored in class, hung over, et cetera…

[laughs]

…I pop in my headphones and listen to you guys discuss everything about Harry. It’s the best way to get through my day. But to get to my question, I’m going to be in New Jersey next weekend, and I’ll be carrying killer bud. And judging by your profile picture, you might have at least tried the wacky tobacky. I would just be honored…

[Eric laughs]

…to give a nice free sample, as much as you want, to my favorite talk-show host and actually meet you. I just want to apologize now if you don’t smoke, my bad, but if you do, hey, free bud. Get back to me. Oh, and hope you had a great, Happy Thanksgiving. Peace!

The name of the person. Ummm….

Andy: Wow. [laughs]

Andrew: Please give me a call, and we’ll discuss where to meet.

Eric: Where to drop the shipment of wacky tobacky.

Andrew: No, it was supposed to be a joke. You’re all supposed to laugh [laughs] because I don’t smoke that – no, seriously, I just thought it was funny because I don’t smoke.

Eric: Well, good on you.

Andrew: So, I’m making in known.

Eric: In the mean time, you can forward them to…

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Andrew: That’s a nice offer, though. I like when listeners offer free stuff, even if it’s something I’m not interested in. [laughs]

Eric: I think it’s a bizarre insight into the kind of illegal things that rock stars like us can get into pretty easy.

Andrew: But choose not to, kids. Wink.

Eric: Yes, that’s right. [laughs]

Andrew: Okay, well, yeah. Thanks to him.


Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul


Andrew: We’ll wrap things up today with a Chicken Soup for the
MuggleCasters’ Soul.

Andy: Today’s Chicken Soup comes from Amy, age 21, of Portland, Oregon.

I’m pretty sure you do not hear often enough that without you, someone couldn’t have gotten through all the brain-slicing they had to do. I put on old episodes on one of the computers in our lab while I made endless numbers of slices of rat brain for the last month (for cell counts for my research – if we come up with ways to preserve brain function after injury, everyone gets to thank ‘Harry Potter’).

So, obviously she wasn’t doing it for fun, but…

[Eric laughs]

You guys are great, thanks for helping me get through my thesis! Amy. Interesting.

Andrew: That’s so gross.

Eric: Sliced up rat brain. Now, you’re trying to maintain brain function, if I can get this correctly, after injury. But I don’t know that it should be after injury. It should be after you cut the brain up into fifteen pieces and put it on slides, right? Because that’s a bit strange.


Show Close


Andrew: I think that wraps up today’s show. It was a good show.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: I like this show.

Micah: It was a good show.

Andrew: Quick thing about the Wall of Fame. I actually haven’t checked the e-mail submissions yet for that. But we’ll work on that soon, get a complete Wall of Fame. Probably have some results next week. Let’s give you all of our contact information. If you’d like to send us some parcel mail, you can mail that to:

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Andy: Yep, if you’re so inclined to do so.

Andrew: Yes!

Eric: Because Andy’s awesome.

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Micah: Ouch!

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Also, we have the subscribe link now for those of you who own a Zune. And of course, you can subscribe through iTunes. One quick thing about iTunes: People, please. Please, please, please, please, please. People always say when I put the show up, “it’s not showing up in iTunes yet.” Yes it is, it’s just not showing up in the directory yet. If you hit “Subscribe” and then click on “Podcasts” (on your iTunes you click on Podcasts on the left) and then you hit “Refresh,” it’ll look at your podcasts and it will see that there’s a new episode of MuggleCast out and it will download it automatically. You don’t have to wait for it – the new episode – to show up in the store. Just click on the “Podcasts” tab on the left side of iTunes, hit “Refresh,” and it’ll get MuggleCast. That’s if you’re subscribed.

Eric: If you have an iPhone, do you just have to push the screen a few times to get new podcasts?

Andrew: No, you can’t download. There is the WiFi iTunes store, but you can’t download podcasts yet, which is kind of strange.

Eric: No kidding?

Andrew: Yeah, there is some illegal software for the iPhone that lets you download podcasts and listen to them right on your phone without using the computer, but it’s not as good as iTunes, so…

Eric: It’s not yet legal yet.

Andrew: Yeah. It will be soon.

Eric: Well, guys. That was good.

Andrew: That was the show. That was a show.

Micah: Yeah. I was going to say now, also, just a reminder for people to send in stuff for Chapter 2 so we can respond to it right away on the show.

Eric: Oh yeah! Yeah, no, totally. That’s a great idea. Go and read Chapter 2 and see what you think. Should we say specific topic or subject of the e-mail when they send them in?

Micah: No, I mean, just – yeah, that’s probably a good idea.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Just, “Chapter-by-Chapter,” maybe.

Andrew: Well, put, “Chapter-by-Chapter – Chapter 2.” Or, “Chapter-by-Chapter – Chapter 1.”

Eric: Yeah, “/Page 5,” and enter page, paragraph number, quote number…

Andrew: Well, I don’t know [laughs] if you have to do all that. I’m just talking about…

Eric: And be sure to check it twice because if it’s incorrect, we will be reading it aloud and you’ll look stupid. No, I’m joking.

[Show music begins]

Eric: And – that was good. And guys, what was I going to say? Ummm. Um, um, um, um. I don’t know, forget it. Oh yeah, send in your Christmas cards, too!

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Eric: It’s about that time of the year where we get Christmas cards to the P.O. Box, and they will, I think, all be forwarded. Laura’s mother will be rushing around to get us all our Christmas cards on time. So, send some more in. Thanks to Laura’s mom for doing that.

Andrew: I’m looking forward to the Christmas episodes. They’re always fun ones. And the New Year’s one. They’re always good.

Eric: Totally, totally.

Andrew: Yeah, so.

Eric: Didn’t we – yeah, we synced it up last year.

Andrew: Yes, yes.

Eric: Very nice.

Andrew: Real quick before we wrap up the show today, I want to say that I talked to Jamie a little bit ago, and he said he may be able to come on next week for next week’s show. So, maybe he’ll be back a little earlier than we thought. So, that’s all good news for all you Jamie fanboys. I mean girls. Or boys.

Eric: Yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Goats.

Andrew: Or goats.

Eric: Well, I may not be here because of my trip to the South Island. I may or may not be able to.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Eric: But I’ll definitely see how Chapter-by-Chapter turns out without me.

Andrew: Cool. Okay, well, thank you, everyone for listening. Once again, I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: I am Eric Scull.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Andy: And I’m Andy McCray.

Andrew: Once again, Andy’s from HarryPotterFanZone.com. Thanks for joining us, Andy.

Andy: It’s all right, no problem.

Andrew: And we’ll see everyone next week for Episode 122. Bye bye!

Micah: Bye!

Eric: See ya!

Andy: Bye!

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Transcript #120

MuggleCast 120 Transcript


Show Intro


[Intro music begins]

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[Show music begins]

Micah: Because I wholeheartedly approve of – well, you’ll just have to wait and see, this is MuggleCast Episode 120 for November 18th, 2007.

[Show music continues]

Andrew: Okay, we’re back for another week of MuggleCast, and we have two guests here this week. Mikey, first up. Mikey’s back after not being on for awhile.

Mikey: Yeah, you know. I was sleeping.

Andrew: Mikey, working on any big known projects lately?

Mikey: Yeah, that’s actually…

[Andrew and Mikey laugh]

Andrew: Yes, actually.

Mikey: Actually, that’s why I haven’t been around, you know. I’ve been busy. Been busy busy. Yeah, you can see my name in the credits of a feature film called The Red Canvas. That should be released sometime next year. I’m Assistant Editor on that. I get to work the night shift. So my day starts at like 8:00 at night and then I work until 2, 3 in the morning, which is really nice. Not really because I’m there all by myself in this cramped room, but it’s got a really cool computer, and I sit there and watch footage and log clips and, you know…

Andrew: That’s awesome.

Mikey: …all the fun stuff

Andrew: Logging fun. Love logging.

Mikey: Oh yes, you know. You know, that’s how it goes.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: But, you know, yeah.

Andrew: And also this week, making his MuggleCast debut, is Andy McCray from Australia.

Andy: Hey.

Mikey: Andy! Woo!

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: Sorry. And the girls go wild. Aah!

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Mikey: Sorry, Andy, it’s Mikey.

Andrew: We needed an Eric replacement, someone down in that general area.

Andy: You hit it pretty well straight on then.

Andrew: Andy, you’re the webmaster of what website?

Andy: I’m webmaster of HarryPotterFanZone.com.

Andrew: J.K. Rowling Site Award Winner recently. Is it the most recent?

Andy: Yep. It is and…

Andrew: Yeah.

Andy: …still holding, luckily.

Andrew: Awesome. Awesome. [laughs] Until the next website.

Mikey: You know what I like about HarryPotterFanZone? It was one of the first sites I found, and what I like about it is they actually have the sheet music to the Harry Potter music up there.

Andy: Yeah. That’s good.

Andrew: Oh, really?

Mikey: That’s like – that’s old, but yeah. That was like my first bookmarked Harry Potter webpage at one point.

Andrew: Oh, that’s cool. Yeah. I’ve been visiting HarryPotterFanZone for awhile, too. Well, we got a lot of e-mails to go through this week. And also, there’s plenty of news to discuss. I’m Andrew Sims.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Mikey: I’m Mikey B.!

[Laura laughs]

Andy: And I’m Andy McCray.

[Show music continues]


News


Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum is in the MuggleCast News Center with the past week’s top Harry Potter news stories. Hey, Micah.

Micah: All right. Thanks, Andrew. With the Order of the Phoenix DVD having been released earlier this week in the United Kingdom, fans have uploaded the two Half-Blood Prince sneak peak clips online. The first clip, entitled “Quidditch Back In Style,” focuses on what Harry, Ron, and Draco’s uniform will look like in the sixth film. The head costume designer said that this year it’s more dangerous and that she took some inspiration from American football. The second clip is an interview with production designer, Stuart Craig, in which he talks about the creation of the orphanage where Tom Riddle lived, making a point of it not being a nice place. Warner Bros. has revamped the official Order of the Phoenix site in preparation for the DVD’s December 11th launch in the U.S. so be sure to head on over and take a look. MTV has published an article on the recently released Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix DVD which contains a special feature of the fifth film’s deleted scenes. The clip also includes two new interviews with the production designer, Stu Craig, and director David Yates.

CBBC has revealed that Jessie Cave, having only starred in a TV film called Summerhill, will be playing Lavender Brown in Half-Blood Prince. Jessie is twenty years old. It is not known if she attended the open auditions for Lavender, which were held earlier this year. She may have auditioned separately for the part. Warner Bros. announced earlier this week that nine year old Hero Fiennes Tiffin is playing the role of the young Tom Riddle at age eleven, while sixteen year old Frank Dillaine is the playing the teenage Riddle who is already on the path to becoming evil Lord Voldemort. WB has also said that casting for the sixth Harry Potter film, Half-Blood Prince has now completed.

The BBC recently conducted an interview with Harry Potter actor, Daniel Radcliffe, where he talked about filming for Half-Blood Prince and what he thought of Deathly Hallows amongst other things. Dan acknowledged he didn’t read the seventh book until about four days after it came out, so he was walking around with his fingers in his ears. Luckily, it wasn’t spoiled for him.

A news that shouldn’t surprise anyone: Deathly Hallows was named the best book of 2007 by Amazon.com. From the online warehouse: “Was there any doubt? The final episode of the most popular series in publishing history, J.K. Rowling’s Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows leads our list of the 100 Top-Selling Books on Amazon.com during 2007. They were ranked according to customer orders through October. Only books published for the first time in 2007 were eligible.”

Finally, when schools begin to slack off in academic achievement, who do they turn to? One school in Nottingham, England went to Harry Potter and came up with the idea of Potter-themed classes. Since then, they’ve seen a turn around in performance. The theme-based approach has catalyzed a dizzying rise in academic achievement at Robert Mellors. Three years ago it was languishing in the bottom quarter of English schools; it has since vaulted into the top twenty-five.

That’s all the news for this November 18, 2007 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Andrew: All right. Thank you, Micah.

Micah: You’re welcome.

Andrew: Micah, there’s been good hot topics this week. Nothing as controversial as what we’ve been discussing recently, but…

Micah: What would that be?

Andrew: …guess we – gay characters, fan sites going against J.K.R. That’s all.

Laura: All that good stuff.


News Discussion: Harry Potter In School


Andrew: First up, a new feature from TIME Magazine. TIME Magazine did a feature on Harry Potter in schools. And first of all, I had to say, I was really proud of this. I made this news post and then went to get the link. It was post number 1337. Do you guys know what that means?

Mikey: Yup.

Laura: Nope.

Andrew: Elite.

Mikey: I understand that.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Mikey: You’re elite, Andrew, you’re elite!

Andrew: I’m elite! [laughs]

Mikey: You’re elite, buddy.

Andrew: I sent that to Kevin right away and he was like, “I don’t get it!”

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: It’s elite! He was like, “Ohh!”

Mikey: Andrew Sims is the big hackster, guys.

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: You know.

Andrew: I can’t wait for post 8008.

[Mikey laughs]

Andrew: Hopefully I’m going to make that one.

Mikey: What about 80085?

[Andrew and Mikey laugh]

Mikey: Whoa!

Andrew: That’s just inappropriate.

Laura: Oh.

Mikey: Oh, I’m sorry.

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: So TIME Magazine did this feature on Harry Potter in schools. And basically what it featured – it was this school in England – Nottingham, England – and this school had some decreasing performance rates. This school was about to go under. And then – it was in the bottom quarter of English schools, and then it skyrocketed to the top 25% just by starting to use Harry Potter in the classroom more, making their classes more Harry Potter-themed. Like, they would sort the kids into Houses with points and stuff. Then this school explodes! So I’m wondering, I thought it would be a good time to bring up how in American schools, maybe even in Australia, and I’m sure in other schools in England, so many people – so many kids in English class hate their curriculum. And do you guys think that if Harry Potter started becoming part of the English American curriculum there would be improvements?

Laura: I think so, and I don’t think it’s just Harry Potter. I think it’s using other books that have the same appeal that the Potter books have. I think the big problem with English curriculum in the public school system is that they choose the most boring books on the face of the Earth to read.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: Like, I’m sorry, nobody enjoys Huck Finn or Tom Sawyer.

Mikey: Okay, okay, you know what? You know what?

Laura: I haven’t met one person who enjoyed either of those books.

Mikey: Miss Laura Thompson, I enjoyed Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer. And you’ve got to understand, these books are amazing! They really are. Plus…

Andrew: They are classics.

Laura: It’s – they are classics, and I’m not denying that.

Mikey: Plus Huck Finn is banned in the U.S. anyway because it’s got racist connotations. So…

Andrew: Yeah, Yeah.

Mikey: So Tom Sawyer is readable in schools, but Huck Finn isn’t. And then you’ve got to remember J.T.T. was in Tom and Huck, and that’s amazing.

Andrew: Even – not even those stories, but I can’t even remember the titles of some of the stories that I read in my English class, but one time one of the students brought up in my class – she was just like, to our teacher who was a bit of a, you know, a hard-butt. He was like – the student said to him, “Why can’t we read something that actually interests us, like Harry Potter?” And he was like, “Oh, well Harry Potter is a children’s book. You won’t learn anything from that.” But, I mean, if you just listen to our shows – I mean, you could just play 100 of our shows in an English class and that could be an entire curriculum.

Mikey: Wow.

Andrew: What?

Mikey: MuggleCast as an English curriculum? Really?

Andrew: Yeah. Wouldn’t that be cool? I know there are some Harry Potter clubs in schools that will play our podcasts from time to time.

Mikey: That’s cool.

Andrew: For an activity. Yeah.

Micah: Don’t you think…

Andrew: But I just think – what?

Micah: I was just going to say, don’t you think that could run into problems similar to Laura Mallory across the U.S. when they’re going to come out and say that they don’t want witchcraft being taught in school?

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Well then…

Micah: People are going to bring it up to the board.

Laura: They have the right to have their children removed from that class or assigned a different reading assignment.

Andrew: Yeah. And I mean…

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: …I’ve never read Beowulf, but that’s sort of a magical tale, isn’t it?

[Laura groans]

Andrew: It’s fantasy, right?

Laura and Mikey: Yeah.

Laura: It’s really – I mean, I’m not trying to degrade all of these classics, but there is something to be said for the time that they were written in, the style, put into a modern classroom, puts kids asleep.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: I’m not going to lie.

Mikey: I agree with…

Andrew: It’s so boring.

Mikey: I agree with Laura completely, but I think Beowulf – I didn’t read that until probably about freshman or sophomore year in high school.

Laura: Yeah.

Mikey: I think at the time, because we were studying that type of literature, that’s when we were reading the Shakespeare stuff – I can’t tell you how many times I’ve read The Tempest throughout my high school in all the different classes, deconstructing it. But it’s at that time period – those books are definitely appropriate. I’m thinking more elementary school, definitely Harry Potter and other books of that sort would be more interesting to the students. Because I remember reading 1984 in eighth grade, and I loved it. It was right at the time that I was trying to get into politics. I loved the message. I definitely think they should focus on books and definitely change the curriculum because you can’t read The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe three years in a row from second grade to fourth grade. You really can’t.

Laura: Which everyone does.

Mikey: Yeah, yeah. Everyone does.

Andy: It depends really…

Andrew: I haven’t read that book either. Sorry, Andy, go ahead.

Andy: It depends what age range you’re sort of talking at. Primary school, elementary school, kids probably would love studying Harry Potter, but if you’re in high school or something, are people going to treat it the same way?

Laura: I don’t know, they read Harry Potter at the high school I went to.

Andrew: Really? Yeah, I think that would just be unheard of if we read it in my school.

Mikey: Well, just also…

Andy: Same with my school.

Mikey: Well there’s college classes dedicated to Harry Potter.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: Deconstructing the universe, using the pros. So there are definitely reasons that Harry Potter is good for all age levels. And each person is going to get something different out of it. I remember growing up as a kid, and again, going back to my Star Wars, I loved the Star Wars series because it was flashy and exciting. But as I got older, I started to see the story arcs, all of the different stuff. Same thing with Harry Potter. I started reading it when I was much older. I didn’t get into it really young. Unlike Emerson, I didn’t get into it when I was young. I read Book 1 through 6 in a span of two weeks.

Micah: Right.

Mikey: And by doing that, one, I devoured it the first reading by – just the story that was amazing. Then I started going back and kind of what MuggleCast does, I deconstructed everything and started going, oh and this, and then of course the theories started following after that. And then there are still theories that I have, but those will be another day.

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: Another day when it’s MikeyCast! I mean, no.

[Everyone laughs]

[Mikey does an evil laugh]

Micah: I’m kind of in the same boat as Mikey, though, because I didn’t read the books until I was older either, until I was in college. The other thing I was going to bring up, though, talking about college courses, I know that some of the incoming freshmen classes while I was in college had to read Sorcerer’s Stone. Now, I don’t know if they read that because they were going to debate the impact of it on society as a whole and that kind of a thing, but I know for a fact that they had to read it.

Laura: Interesting.

Micah: So it is being pushed at the college level, as well.

Laura: Yeah, and I think there’s something to be said for the way classes are taught, too, because I recently read Dracula in one of my classes here, and when I was reading it here I was like, wow, I would have hated this in high school…

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: …because in high school I would have been forced to read it and come in and just take a test on it, whereas in my college classes we have whole discussions about underlying themes and things that would have never gotten talked about in high school because they would’ve been deemed too controversial. So I think that’s the problem with the public schools, is that they’re underestimating what children can handle. And when I say children I mean anybody aged elementary through high school.

Andrew: Yeah. But I mean even if we get back to Harry Potter, I think the big concern is most schools see Harry Potter as too much of a children’s book and you couldn’t go in depth. And maybe it’s not even the schools themselves; it could be the teachers too that think it’s just a children’s book.

Mikey: You know, I don’t think…

Andy: Well, the teachers need to know the books as deeply as we do. I don’t think they really know them as much as us fans do. So they’re not really going to be teaching stuff that is going to be hard, you know?

Mikey: You know, Andrew, I don’t think it would necessarily be the teachers, because I know if you go to any of the Harry Potter conventions, it’s filled up with teachers.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: I think it’s more the parents of the students going, oh, why is my kid reading Harry Potter? That’s a children’s book and he’s in sixth grade. Or she’s in sixth grade, seventh grade.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: Shouldn’t she be learning something more?

Andrew: That’s true.

Mikey: But I don’t know about you, but I have a really close relationship with my family. But even growing up I know for a fact my mom and dad never really payed that much attention to my school homework. If I needed help, they would help me, but they don’t know what books I was reading completely for school. Like, yes, they bought them, but they didn’t go any further. Half the time they hadn’t read some of them, you know. My mum wasn’t able to – couldn’t help me after sixth grade math homework – you know, started getting to algebra and everything. She just didn’t want to deal with it anymore; it was getting too difficult for her to handle. It was just too much effort for them to keep up with what I was learning at the time. And now, going to college, finishing up now, some of the stuff I’ve had to read and deconstruct, my parents are just like – my dad would be like, okay I’ll read the book because you say it’s a good book, because I’ll recommend it to him, but my mum would be like, yeah it doesn’t interest me. It’s a different story. I don’t like it. You know. So I think…

Andrew: I think something – go ahead.

Mikey: I was going to say, I can definitely see it being more parents if schools issued Harry Potter books as required reading…

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: …you know? Yes, it’s required reading. I definitely think it would be great for a family thing to start reading it together or students reading it, but I think it’s going to be more parents – especially in the U.S. – back-lashing, you know, this is a children’s book, because it’s been dubbed a children’s book by so many.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: And the parents – especially for the families that don’t read – because, again, you know, our society is so engrossed in media, you know: TV, movies, you know, Internet, everything – that there’s really not much reading going on. That’s why – you know – Harry Potter‘s been such a big phenomenon, because it’s getting kids to read. But parents haven’t read Harry Potter.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: And by kids being required to, it’s like, this is a children’s book. Why are my kids reading it?

Andrew: Yeah. I think something else hurting it too, is also the movies now. I mean, Harry Potter‘s really commercialized. So if you took it in a serious class, something that might make teachers or schools hesitate is the fact that, oh, well, they’ll just watch the movies and try to catch up on the reading that way. I mean, because that’s what I’ve always…

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: There’s been a couple times. Well, there’s been a couple of books in, like, middle school or high school that we’ve read, and the teacher’s even like, yeah, this was made into a movie. And then we’re like, hmm, we should just watch the movie. I mean – but you can’t learn that way at all if you watch the movie, so…

Laura: Yeah. I was going to say.

Andrew: …but still, Harry Potter‘s so commercialized, I would think you really can’t take it as seriously as, say – not Beowolf now that the movie’s out – but, you know…

Mikey: Lord of the Rings?

Andrew: …just any classic tale. Or Lord of the Rings, yeah.

Mikey: I had to read that in high school.

Andy: But like – I don’t know if the vibe is like this in the U.S. around Harry Potter – but like every time we have a book or a movie release here they’ll have it all over the papers.

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Andy: And the front page will be like a picture of a four year-old with glasses.

Andrew: Exactly, yes.

Andy: They kind of try and dumb it down. This is like a three year-old’s book when the real fans are our age.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s a great point. That’s why so many people are always like, oh, it’s a children’s book. It’s a little kid’s book.

Mikey: You know, Andy, I agree with you on that, that they’re trying to dumb it down as a children’s book, but I can’t really – you can’t really say that the real fans are our age. You know, there’s fans at every age.

Andrew: Yeah.

Andy: I suppose so.

Mikey: I remember at the bookstore there was like a two year-old – you know, three year-olds just walking around with their mom. And they’re dressed up as Harry Potter. You know they love the movies. You know they love their moms reading the books to them. They’re huge fans of it.

Andrew: Yeah, but they don’t understand. They don’t understand – they don’t understand what’s happening in the books. There’s no way. [laughs]

Mikey: Yeah, I know, but I’m just saying to stop the e-mails from coming in, we don’t think that only fans that are older are true fans. Everybody can be a fan. See, I’m being political now, Andrew. I’m taking care of these e-mails. I don’t want Andy to get the e-mails.

Andy: Everyone can be a fan. Everyone can take something out of it.

Mikey: No, definitely. I agree. Everyone can be a fan coming out of it. I just don’t want hundreds of e-mails saying, “What are you guys talking about? I’m a true fan and I’m only twelve.” But, you know, I know you guys are fans. Everyone’s a fan.

Andrew: We have some very intelligent younger listeners. Ages ten, eleven, twelve. Very smart. Scares me how smart. Smarter than me.

Mikey: [laughs] Well, that’s not very hard, Andrew, at all.


News Discussion: Casting


Andrew: I’m not kidding. That could be true. Another news story: WB confirmed the rest of the cast for Half-Blood Prince. All the usuals are there: Alan Rickman…I stop at Alan Rickman.

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: Daniel Radcliffe, maybe. Emma Watson.

Andrew: They were confirmed a while ago. Evanna Lynch was confirmed, although that was nothing new. David Bradley, Warwick Davis, Robbie Coltrane.

Mikey: That’s what I was going to ask. Mr. Coltrane. It wasn’t Ben Schoen? It wasn’t Ben Schoen. That’s good.

Andrew: No, Ben was not cast. He tried, but not this year.

Mikey: [imitating Ben imitating Hagrid] Rubeus Hagrid!

Andrew: Tom Felton, Michael Gambon, Maggie Smith, Julie Walters, Matt Lewis, Bonnie Wright, etc etc. And then also we have three new casting announcements that were made this week. The first one was confirmed by CBBC earlier this week. It was Jessie Cave, but we’ll get to her in one minute. There were two other people: Hero Fiennes-Tiffin is playing the role of young Tom Riddle. He’s nine years-old but he’s playing the eleven year-old Tom Riddle. And then Frank Dillane, I believe is how you pronounce his last name. He’s sixteen years-old. He’s playing teenage Tom Riddle. So there were some rumors suggesting that Ralph Fienne’s nephew, I guess it is, was to be getting this role and then, of course, it was confirmed and then this Frank Dillane. All three of these new casting announcements – these actress and actors – are brand new to the filming industry. They’ve had one or two small projects. I know Frank Dillane and Jessie Cave have both had one. I don’t think Hero has had one. Hero’s such a cool name.

Mikey: Is that how you pronounce it? Hero?

Andrew: It’s probably not. It’s probably [pronounces Hair-O] Hero. Hero.

Andy: It’s such a cool name. I thought when I first read that, like, is he a hero or is that just his name?

Andrew: Yeah, I wasn’t sure either.

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: Can you imagine going to grade school and getting the super sticker because you did a good job, “You’re a super hero!” Yeah! That’d be so cool.

Andrew: Hey, Hero. You’re ego would be so high all the time. Hey, Hero.

Mikey: When I see Hero, I’m like looking at the word right now or his name, I think Hiro from the show Heroes. I just want to jump and go [screams like Hiro].

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: I don’t know if you ever watch Heroes.

Andrew: No, no, I haven’t. [laughs]

Mikey: I actually jumped up and down in my room.

Andrew: [laughs] But – so there’s this new girl Jessie Cave, and Laura brought up to me the other day – I didn’t even know this was really going on – but, Laura, you said there were quite a few people, I guess on MuggleNet or in some message boards or something, complaining, as usual, about another girl who’s been cast because she’s not up to the fans’ standards.

Laura: Yes. And let me just say something.

Micah: She’s up to my standards.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Micah, let’s keep in mind, she’s a – oh, never mind, you’re good. Continue.

Andy: She’s twenty, isn’t she?

Laura: Children listen to this show, Micah.

Micah: Yeah, so take that.

Andrew: She’s twenty. Yeah. Sorry, I thought she was under eighteen. But never mind. Fair game. Go ahead.

Laura: Anyway… [laughs] …something that really, really irks me about our fandom is that any time a girl is casted in these movies all of the girls get together and complain about it. They nit-pick over little stupid things. They find the smallest physical imperfection that they can find and then call this poor girl ugly. And she’s certainly not ugly at all. Furthermore, there’s never been any physical description of what Lavender looks like in the books, so stop complaining. Who cares? Does it matter? You’re all just jealous because she’s going to hook up with Rupert Grint.

[Everyone laughs]

Andy: That’s what I was about to say. They’re all just jealous.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] Exactly.

Mikey: I have some friends that are upset with the casting just because they re-cast Lavender Brown.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s the one big thing. Lavender used to be black.

Mikey: That’s the one thing I definitely say, okay, they probably shouldn’t have, considering this girl has played Lavender in quite a few films already.

Laura: Who was she? Because I don’t even remember them addressing her in the film. I think she was just named that way in the credits, right?

Andrew: There is a picture of her.

Mikey: TIME Magazine did a picture of all the Harry Potter characters, and she was also in TIME there. And she was also credited that in two or three of the films, but she’s been in almost all of them, I believe. Again, don’t quote me on that. I’m not looking like at like IMDB right now.

Andrew: I’ll look it up while you talk.

Mikey: But, yeah, I definitely kind of find that – I don’t know what I would say. I guess she didn’t really have the acting ability to pull off the role, because definitely Lavender now has a little bit of a bigger spotlight in this film. But it’s one of those things where, you know, the girl that portrayed her originally was African-American – she was black – and now they cast someone else, and not even the same race, not the same – looks nothing
alike. So if you were following the movies and not the books – because I know there are plenty of people who watch just the movies – and if you watch any of the stuff, you’d be like, “Well, who is this new person in Hogwarts? She hasn’t been there before.” But she’s been a changed person. And they’ve done that before, but it’s really…

Laura: Yeah, they did it with Padma and Parvati, too.

Andy: They did it with Pansy Parkinson, as well.

Laura: Yeah, those were all re-cast.

Andrew: But I don’t see…

Mikey: But it’s just one of those things where – I don’t know – like…

Andrew: I just checked the Goblet of Fire and Chamber of Secrets credits, and I can’t find anyone credited as Lavender Brown. But yeah, you are right, there was that Entertainment Weekly article where there’s a picture of her, and she’s a black girl, and it says, “Lavender Brown, blah, blah, blah.” So, I mean, honestly, nobody’s going to notice, really. I mean, the only reason people are making a fuss about that little part in particular is because of that one picture. It may be – there may be more pictures, but any typical fan – I’m sure WB’s official response if we asked them would be – oh, here it is. Jennifer Smith. She’s credited in the Prisoner of
Azkaban
credits. But that’s the only film she’s ever done. So I think she’s just really an extra.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: And, I mean, if you’re an extra, you can’t…

Laura: I think they…

Andrew: …be an actress. [laughs]

Laura: I think they just use that as an excuse to throw her name in the credits, to make it seem like they were casting all of these people, as opposed to just putting…

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: …Extra One, Extra Two, etc, you know? Like…

Andrew: Maybe there was a reference in Prisoner of Azkaban where Harry’s like, “Oh, Lavender and all them.” And maybe he gestures and she’s over there waving or something.

Laura: I don’t even remember them mentioning Lavender at all in the film. That was kind of…

Andrew: Yeah, I have to watch it again.

Laura: …my big objection to it, when everybody was having this problem with the re-cast. And I’m like, “Well, they didn’t even talk about her.”

Andrew: Mhm. Yeah.

Mikey: Yeah…

Andy: I think it’s weird that they cast such a minor character but they named her, because in Order of the Phoenix there were some minor characters featured in promotional stills, and they were called “slightly creepy but weird.”

[Laura laughs]

Andy: I mean, I don’t know.

Andrew: [laughs] There really was someone called, “Slightly creepy boy”? [laughs] That’s pretty funny.

Mikey: I also like how Nigel magically appeared out of nowhere, so…

Andrew and Laura: Yeah.

Laura: That’s true.

Mikey: So, you know, it’s definitely fine. But I understand people kind of being a little irked about it. And, you know, my biggest thing is – what I respond to them is, “Are you not going to go see the sixth movie?” They’re like, “No, I’m a huge Harry Potter fan.” I’m like, “Exactly.” Let’s see how it turns out. If she does a horrible job then maybe you have a little bit of an excuse to be like, “They should have let that other girl who can act.” But I highly doubt Warner Bros. is going to do something like that. Their job is to get the right people to act. Plus, you know, really – I remember reading in an interview somewhere that Rupert was there helping pick out – I got to say, Rupert’s got good taste.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: She’s very pretty.

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: And what I have to say is, ladies, stop sitting here and bashing this poor girl and calling her ugly. Because girls constantly complain about being objectified, but then when you turn around and do it to another girl, you’re just as bad. So stop it.

Andrew: [laughs] Spank, spank, spank! [laughs] Yeah, I’ll go right out there and say she’s hot.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Micah? Mikey? Andy?

Mikey: Hands down! Hands down!

Micah: Clearly.

Mikey: Hands down!

Micah: What did you say, Andy?

Mikey: Hands down!

Andy: I think she’s fine. No problems with her at all.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Mikey: Hands down, best casting ever.

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: Sorry, guys.

Andrew: You know, Emerson made you say that.

Mikey: If you don’t know where that’s from, go look through some of the MuggleCast archives and you’ll find it.

Andrew: The first live LeakyMug.

Mikey: Yes. Hands down, best movie ever. [imitating Andrew] Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!

Andrew: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mikey: It’s all right, Simsy, don’t worry.

Andrew: I’ve changed since then. It’s been over two…

Mikey: You’ve grown.

Andrew: When was the Goblet of Fire premiere?

Mikey: I don’t know.

Andrew: That was like November 12th, wasn’t it?

Mikey: I don’t know. I remember listening to the live show at home on my headphones. It was nice.

Andrew: You were like, “Wow, these guys got potential.”

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: So…

Micah: And then you join us.

Andrew: …moving along…

Mikey: Only if they say my name three times, I’ll magically appear.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Mikey: Okay, so where we at now?

Andrew: So moving along. In other Half-Blood Prince news, there was also our – we got two – Micah, do you have something else to say?

Micah: No, I was just wondering, so this is the final cast? They’re not going to be looking at other characters?

Andrew: There’s got to be more announcements.

Micah: There’s – I mean…

Andrew: Well, there’s got to be more announcements. Yeah. Because if you look at our brand new Movie 6 section, it’s not a complete cast.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: Especially when you compare it to other cast pages.

Micah: So it just means on their end that they’ve completed casting, but they maybe haven’t made all the announcements yet…

Andy: Exactly, yeah.

Micah: …because we’re still missing a good amount of people.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I would think, anyway, right? I mean, there’s no Gaunt family that’s been cast yet.

Andy: Like Katie Bell, too.

Laura: Yeah, that could be a problem.

Andrew: How about…

Micah: Bill Weasley. I would think he might have to be in this.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah!

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Micah: Greyback.

Andrew: Yeah. What was this press release by WB? What did it say, exactly? I’m trying to find it now. Here it is. “Casting is complete on Half-Blood Prince.” So I guess they just really haven’t announced everyone yet. [laughs]

Mikey: Well, you know what? The casting is probably complete for the entire, you know, everything. And they probably haven’t announced it because some of the people they’ve cast, they probably have two or three people for it still, even though it’s been cast between those two people, and whoever comes out best on camera – because a lot
of times…

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: …what they’ll do for smaller parts, background characters, that may not even say anything – because we know the Gaunts, except for – what’s the father’s Gaunt – not – Merope’s father’s name?

Laura: Marvolo.

Mikey: Marvolo! Yeah. How come I didn’t know that? Wow. I’m tired. Marvolo’s the only one that speaks English, you know, and Merope is quiet the whole time, and her brother is speaking in [hisses].

Andrew: Maybe it’s also that they want to spread out the announcements, sort of keep the excitement going.

Mikey: The buzz.

Andrew: Yeah, the buzz, exactly. Throw a little buzz out there. You know what happens? I’ve noticed this a lot. Whenever there’s a big book announcement, WB always comes back with something to make sure nobody’s forgotten about them.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Like I remember there was a huge news story – news book story – and I can’t remember what it was, but like a few hours later, after all the buzz on the websites, WB sends us just a crapload of new pictures out of the blue and is just like, “Post these.” It’s like, okay.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: But it’s like, “Don’t forget about us!”

Andy: Here’s thirty-six new pictures.

Andrew: Yeah, exactly.

Mikey: Well, it’s like you, Andrew. Releasing the 12-hour MuggleCast as different segments instead of as one big…

Andrew: Because I wanted to get the episode count up a little bit! But I mean when you’re doing a 12-hour show, that’s a huge download file anyway.

Mikey: There’s people that listen the entire time, buddy. I’m just saying.

Andrew: There were. Oh yeah, definitely. Those were the people who could. [laughs] Anyone else can’t. Well, I guess there were some people who might have listened to all of them straight through, but it was a good idea, just go with it. So…

[Mikey laughs]

Andrew: I guess there’s nothing else to say about that. Yeah, Micah, I think you bring up a good point. We’re still waiting for quite a few more casting announcements. The cast page still has room to grow. So it’s time to get Warwick back for another interview.

[Laura laughs]

MuggleCast 120 Transcript (continued)


News Discussion: Movie 6 Sneak Peek


Andrew: Half-Blood Prince sneak peek. We got this
the other day. There’s a couple of things to talk about with this story. This was a really good idea, I thought, WB had, when they announced that there was going to be sneak peek at Half-Blood Prince on the Order of the Phoenix DVD. I thought, “How are they doing that?” They just started filming, and how do they have stuff already to put on the DVD? Because you have to have the DVD prepared like a month or two ago to go to print and all that, and then here comes this brilliant idea: it’s online, but you have to have your disc in the computer in order to click on these clips. I thought that was a great idea! Did anyone else get excited? I thought that was so cool! [laughs]

Laura: I guess…

Micah: Dork.

Andrew: Yeah, dork, exactly. [laughs]

Mikey: Well, you know, Andrew, I would be more excited if the sneak peek is not just these initial clips but more stuff…

Andrew: Like more to come.

Mikey: …so that way, it’s really not just like, “I’ll go rent the movie for a day and see all the extra clips,” but “I want to make sure that I buy and I own it so that way I can see…”

Andrew: That’s a good point!

Mikey: The more stuff to come! So I can see the new Quidditch costumes, so I can see the scenes or the interview with Dan talking about, you know…

Andrew: Mikey, you should be on their marketing team; that’s a pretty good idea actually.

Mikey: I personally think I should just start being Assistant Editor and Editor for the Harry Potter films.

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: As a fan that loves it, you know, that’s what I do, Warner Bros. Wink wink, nudge nudge, ha ha ha.

Andrew: They don’t listen.

Mikey: I know. Well, who knows?

Andrew: Actually, no. I think David Heyman listens to the podcast.

Mikey: Really?

Laura: Really?

Mikey: David, I do have a real – please, it’s a dream of mine.

Andrew: I think he has. He said something once in an interview he did at the L.A. premiere that made me think he…

Mikey: No, no! He goes to MuggleNet, not MuggleCast.

Andrew: No, but he also said something about he listens to us all the time. But he wasn’t – he was like, “I read and listen to you guys all the time.” I think that’s what he said. Something like that.

Micah: I think you’re right, because when we were at Enlightening, Emerson was talking to the crowd about David Heyman and that interview that you guys did. And I think he was saying that we should all be nice to David Heyman because he listens to what we say.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Micah: Something like that.

Andrew: Yeah, we’ll have to re-watch that interview. Anyway… [laughs]

Mikey: I like David Heyman.

Laura: Yeah, I like him, too. He’s really nice.

Mikey: He’s cool. I would just say, “Just so you know, I like you. I’m an editor.”

[Everybody laughs]

Andrew: I hate to go off tangent one more time, but…

Mikey: Oh, wow!

Andrew: …Laura, I just remembered this today – I completely forgot about it. You, Ben and I talked to him for a couple of minutes at the after party…

Laura: Yeah. Oh, that was so cool.

Andrew: …one on one. And that was really nice…

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: …because he was very nice about talking with us. And we were just – we were sucking up to him. [laughs]

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: But we were saying it’s unbelievable this whole thing that you’ve been running for the past, god, eight years now.

Laura: Yeah, but he was genuinely nice, and he seemed really, really happy to be there.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: So I was really happy to see that.

Andrew: Yeah. It was great actually talking to him. Great guy. But – okay, so anyway… [laughs] …the Half-Blood Prince sneak peeks – hoping everyone saw these. It looks pretty good; it’s nothing new. I mean, it’s new but it’s nothing out of the ordinary.

Andy: Nothing new new.

Andrew: Nothing new new, right. It’s more of the same, you know. They’re filming and Dan’s on set… [laughs] …and there’s cameras around him. There was a very nice interview with Stuart Craig, Production Designer. That’s it. There’s an interview with him on the new set where he talks about the orphanage and how great it’s going to be and how much effort they’re putting into it. Then there’s another clip with the interview with the Costume Designer, and she goes over the brand new Quidditch costumes – or the Quidditch cloaks. And they have new padding and they have these new helmets.

Andy: Yuck.

Andrew: Yeah, I was talking to Andy about this last night. They’re not very good, are they, Andy? [laughs]

Andy: I don’t know. I reckon they kind of look like fighter pilots or something.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. And I think she said in that interview that they weren’t sure yet if they were actually going to have them on while they were playing, right? Just for practice?

Andy: Yes, she said they were going to be for training or practice or something, but they didn’t know if they would put them in the actual scene.

Andrew: I think that just shows that they’re not too sure about them, either. [laughs] Maybe? And then – the new cloaks do look good, I think. And it’s nice to see that they’re updating the Quidditch outfits. They’re putting some effort into it since they skipped out on Quidditch in Order of the Phoenix and Goblet of Fire? No, the Quidditch World Cup was in Goblet of Fire.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: So that’s nice. And that’s about it.

Mikey: You know what I would like to see? I would like to see them play Quidditch at the Burrow. You know how they do those, you know…

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: Well, I mean…

Andy: Yeah, that would be sweet. I want to see them fly the tables around in the [unintelligible].

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Mikey: Yeah, there’s a lot I would like to see that I never…

Andrew: Well, we all know that’s…

Micah: When you get to work on the films, Mikey, then…

Mikey: Yeah. I’ll make the special MuggleNet edition with all the stuff we want to see, and I’ll sit there for years doing all the special effects myself.

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: But, fans, I will do it if I get – no.

Andrew: So the DVD came out. It was just in England, not in Australia. Right, Andy?

Andy: Yeah, it’s out here. We got it last Wednesday.


Andy Reviews the DVD


Andrew: Oh, it is. Oh! Oh, okay. Well, we could have a quick review here.

Andy: Which is the first time ever.

Andrew: So, what…?

Andy: I thought it was great. Lots of good special features, especially the one, “Trailing Tonks,” which was behind the scenes. That was great, very funny.

Andrew: What’s in that again?

Andy: It just follows – I think her name’s Natalia Tena, who plays Tonks. It just follows her around the set doing random stuff: playing guitar, laughing at people.

Mikey: Having her nose changed. You know, her nose changes every once in a while.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] That’s pretty cool. How do all the menus and such work? Are they good?

Andy: The menus are great. Same guy narrates all the menus. The actual disc with the movie on it is really great. It’s got the phone booth going to the Ministry. And the special features one has got the Black tapestry and all the special features on that, which looks really cool.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Andy: Yeah, it’s great. I’ve watched it a few times now.

Andrew: How are the deleted scenes?

Andy: Pretty good. There’s sort of two minutes of Trelawney eating and then there’s a few other good ones.

Micah: Wait. Not drinking, eating?

Andrew: Yeah. Come on, we found this out a while ago!

Micah: No, eating. I was making a joke saying she is an alcoholic, but forget it.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Mikey: She just likes to have a drink when times are getting hard.

Andrew: Yeah. So, all right, well, that’s cool. As for us in America, we still have to wait until December 11th, so it’s a little under a month now. And the thing is, here’s what happened: this Half Blood Prince sneak peak came out, people got their DVDs, they were able to watch it. Then people figured out how to download it and get it on YouTube. You can download the flash file, convert that to something YouTube will take, put it up. So it gets up on YouTube, all the fan sites post it, and then WB starts taking them down. And the thing that got me about this, and I said it to Micah, was, all right, WB’s asking for this. When you’re releasing a film in Australia and England a month before you do in America, the American fans are going to go nuts, and they’re going to want to see it online so people put it online, put these sneak peaks online, at least. And, you know, WB keeps trying to take them down, but it’s like, why not just release the movie at the same time and then you wouldn’t have to worry about that?

Laura: Haven’t they typically released all the DVDs at the same time in the past?

Andrew: Yeah. Well, the U.S. certainly hasn’t had to wait a month. [laughs]

Andy: We usually get it about three months later, so this is…

Andrew: Really?

Andy: …a Christmas miracle.

[Andy and Micah laugh]

Andrew: Yeah, are they trying to be fair? Like…

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Australia complained and they’re like, “Okay, you get it a month before America now.”

Laura: Well, I know, at the very least, the U.S. and the U.K. got them around the same time. Like within a few days of each other.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Micah: Well, what’s interesting is that it’s not just the U.K. and Australia, it’s other countries that the DVD has been released in as well. It seems like…

Andy: South America got it before all of us.

Micah: Yeah.

Andy: They got it in, like, the end of October.

Andrew: I wonder if it has to do with the Christmas season. Like, they want to get it closer to Christmas to…

Micah: Oh, yeah.

Andrew: …put it under more trees or something?

Micah: Could be true.

Laura: If they sell it in November, it’s going to be under plenty of trees. I mean…

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: …that’s when they start putting out all your Christmas stuff.

Andrew: But I’m just thinking – well, I guess it shouldn’t matter to WB, really, whether it goes underneath a Christmas tree or not as long as you’re still buying it.

Andy: It’s just all this hype.

Andrew: It’s all the hype, you said?

Andy: Yeah, all hype and publicity and…

Andrew: Oh. Yeah…

Andy: …how they can sell the most DVDs.


Harry Potter versus Hairspray


Andrew: Yeah, maybe. Well, I mean, one DVD that’s coming out soon – of course I know this: Hairspray comes out Tuesday.

[Mikey laughs]

Andrew: Now… [laughs]

Mikey: I know Hairspray comes out Tuesday, buddy, I’ve been watching for that to come out, too.

Andrew: I’ll be buying the Shake and Shimmy edition, thank you very much. I just wonder, do they think like, “Oh, there’s already a big DVD coming out; we want publicity, we want a week to ourselves where we have all the publicity we want.” Or is it something else?

Laura: What other…

Andrew: Because Hairspray is a huge movie release. I mean, it was huge over the summer…

Laura: Yeah…

Andrew: …I’m sure it’s going to be…

Laura: But did it outsell Harry Potter even…

Andrew: No, I don’t think so.

Laura: Was it even close? I mean, I love Hairspray, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t think they would be in any sort of competition.

Andrew: I’m just grasping at straws. I mean, I can’t think of any other, besides the holiday thing.

Andy: But I don’t think Hairspray and Harry Potter would be in that much competition.

Mikey: Oh yeah they are.

Andrew: I have to say, I think they appeal to the same people. [laughs]

Laura: Yeah, that’s what I was going to say, but I don’t think a Harry Potter fan and a Hairspray fan would go out and buy one DVD over the other. They’re going to buy both.

Mikey: Well, you know what? If it came down between one DVD or the other to me…

Andrew: I’d buy Hairspray.

[Mikey laughs]

Andrew: No, I’m dead serious. I’m dead serious.

Mikey: That’s what I’m thinking is going to happen. You have to go with your Harry Potter friend. So Andrew could buy Hairspray for us and we could watch it, and then I’ll buy the Harry Potter.

Andrew: [laughs] But I just think…

Mikey: And we’ll probably watch Hairspray first.

Andrew: Also, feature-set wise, I think Hairspray‘s got – Hairspray‘s got like a four hour documentary on the making of it.

Mikey: [laughs] Are you…?

Andrew: They went all out on the feature. But, anyway… [laughs]

Andy: If you’d like the sheet music from Hairspray, go over to HarryPotterFanZone.

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: You know what’s funny though? I think I actually saw Hairspray more than Order of the Phoenix in theaters.

Andrew: Oh, me too!

Laura: So did I. [laughs]

Andrew: I’ve seen it five times now.

Mikey: No, no, well, it’s because I saw an advanced screening of Hairspray, and then I saw it again, and then I think I saw it twice with Andrew at one point, and…

Andrew: You saw it once with us. [laughs]

Mikey: I don’t know. I saw Hairspray a ridiculous amount of times. I went with my mom. I’m like, “Why am I seeing this movie so many times?” But I do have a fondness for musicals, so…

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: …I’m waiting for Harry Potter: The Musical. Really, you know…

Andrew: Yeah, it’s coming out…

Mikey: It’s like the mysterious ticking noise.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Mikey: [singing] Snape, Snape, Severus. And then, you know, Dumbledore!

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: I love Dumbledore. He’s my favorite. You know what? Dumbledore coming out of the closet, that’s him going, “Dumbledore!” That’s him!

[Laura laughs]

Mikey: I love it!

Andrew and Mikey: Oh…

Andrew: God. You know…

Mikey: Why do I keep talking? Let’s continue on.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay. I’m wondering the same thing. Hey, I guess there’s nothing else to say. Maybe we’ll try to get something out of WB.

Mikey: Oh…

Andrew: You know, to answer why.

Micah: The only other DVD that is coming out that week – or that date actually – is The Bourne Ultimatum.

Andrew: That’s definitely not competition… [laughs] …I don’t think.

Laura: No.

Mikey: You sure? They’re both actions. They’re both action movies.

Andrew: Yeah. But it’s a different audience still.

Micah: See?

Andrew: [sighs] Okay, well, I guess we’ll see what happens there. Wow, we managed to take up forty-five minutes with news talk. Good work, guys. [laughs] That’s a new record, I think.


Announcement: MuggleCast Wall of Fame


Andrew: All right, let’s get on to some announcements now. There’s actually a few this week for once, and they’re all new. First of all, earlier this week – let me set this up – there was an article in my school newspaper about what I do with MuggleCast. And that was a few days – the article came out a few days after our Episode 119, which we’ll get to in a minute. It wasn’t exactly our best show. Our best live show.

Laura: No.

Micah: No.

Andrew: Especially in the call-in parts. So, I was, like, oh crap. All these people are going to go and look, and see this episode and think I suck. [laughs] So, everyone would have noticed that news post I made on the – on MuggleCast, saying, “New to the show? If you’re a new listener and looking for a few good episodes, check these out.” So, I sort of hope that people looked at that. And then I came up with the idea for the MuggleCast Wall of Fame, which is our, sort of, showcase showcasing the best episodes we’ve done. So we came up with this page. Mikey contributed with an episode or two. And then I also added at the bottom, if anyone has an episode that really stands out to them in terms of quality – just a really good quality episode – e-mail it in to MCWallofFame at gmail dot com. MCWallofFame, all one word, at gmail dot com. And I’m sort of going to take a poll and see which episodes get the most votes. And then we’ll add them on there. And that will just be a nice little archive of our best shows, and it’ll be a nice thing we go back and look at. Especially if you’re a new listener and you’re looking for some good episodes, you know, we can recommend those to you. So there’s a banner at MuggleCast.com for those. We encourage you to check those out. Also, anyone here got a Zune?


Announcement: MuggleCast on Zune


Mikey: I do!

Laura: No.

Andrew: Mikey, you do?

Mikey: No, I don’t.

Andrew: Do you get it off Woot?

Mikey: No. I’m lying.

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: Actually, about the Zune, some of you know I work for Apple and, in fact, a couple of MuggleCast listeners… [laughs] …came into the Apple store when I was working the other day, and…

Andrew: Really?

Mikey: Yeah. They’re in the Leopard release. It’s kind of cool seeing them there. I was hanging out there working, not really doing anything at Apple. But they’re like, “Are you Mikey from MuggleCast?” And I’m, like, yeah. Like…

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: …you know, I’m at work…

Andrew: Oh.

Mikey: …you know.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: And they came up, and – so I took a picture with them. That was kind of cute.

Andrew: Aww, cute.

Laura: Aww.

Mikey: Yeah. You know. It was cool. They come into my work.

Andrew: I don’t know how that worked. You were, like, speaking…

Andrew and Mikey: …of Zunes…

Andrew: Dot, dot, dot. [laughs]

Mikey: I work for Apple. The iPod versus Zune.

Andrew: Uh-huh. So for the ten people who have a Zune…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: And Microsoft started the – basically, the Zune equivalent of iTunes. And you can go on to their marketplace and you can subscribe to podcasts there now because Zune now supports podcasts. And MuggleCast is in there. So if you have a Zune and you want to subscribe to MuggleCast, make sure you have the latest Zune software update. And then there’s a link right there at MuggleCast.com, underneath the big “On Air” button that takes you to the Zune marketplace to subscribe to MuggleCast. So I just thought I would let everyone know. Also, if you have any friends who like Harry Potter and who have a Zune, recommend that to them.


Announcement: Terminus Clear Up


Andrew: Also, real quick, I just want to say about Terminus. I just want to… [laughs] …clear up what was said last week. I want to clear up that Terminus didn’t actually say no to us or reject us. We just never approached them and they thought we didn’t fit in with what they needed compared to other podcasts. I just want to clear that up because, apparently, some fans were saying to Terminus, “Oh, why did you say no to MuggleCast?” Actually, they never said no to us. They just didn’t want us from the start. [pretends to sob] Umm… [laughs] …we’ll get to Muggle Mail. We’ll focus on a lot of e-mails this week.


Muggle Mail: Age Limits on Broadway Shows


Laura: The first one comes from Brenna, aged 18, from San Diego, California. And she says:

“Some shows do have an age limit…”

And I believe this is in reference to Equus

Andrew: The Broadway…

Laura: …being on…

Andrew:Equus

Laura: …Broadway.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: “…because of scary or inappropriate material. I know that the Broadway musical “Wicked” has a limit of six because it might be frightening to young kids. So I would think they wouldn’t allow small children to see it, but who knows? Also, you guys need to stop worrying over…”

Andrew: No. Don’t – don’t include that.

Laura: Okay. [laughs]

Andrew: Oh, actually, go ahead. No, no, never mind. Go ahead.

Laura: Way to cut me off! Okay.

Andrew: No, sorry. [laughs]

Laura: All right.

“Also, you guys need to stop worrying over Terminus and start planning a trip to San Diego, California for ComicCon in 2008 in July.”

Andrew: You know, it’s not a bad idea, because MuggleNet was invited to ComicCon last year, and there’s this huge miscommunication where ComicCon was even advertising that MuggleNet…

Laura: Oh…

Andrew: …was going to be…

Laura: …that’s right.

Andrew: …at a certain venue. And, like…

Laura: Didn’t a bunch of people…

Andrew: …people showed up.

Laura: …come?

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: And nothing ever – nobody was there. [laughs] Emerson and – I think it was supposed to be like Emerson and Ben or something, and they were probably on the other side of the country… [laughs] …I think. So that didn’t work out very well. But yeah, that’s not a bad idea. ComicCon’s a big event and they have some Harry Potter stuff there, so who knows?

Mikey: ComicCon’s fun.


Muggle Mail: Quack Pack


Andrew: Next e-mail comes from Abby, 13, of New Jersey. She writes:

“While I was listening to Episode 119 I was thinking that you could make a Quack Pack from the funny quack. Love the show. Quack. Abby.”

You know that’s a better idea than Cucumber Pack. Let’s do Quack Pack.

Laura: What – what…

Andrew: You were saying?

Laura: What was Cucumber Pack?

Andrew: It was going to be the sequel to Pickle Pack.

Laura: Why do we need a sequel to Pickle Pack?

Andrew: It was just a joke! It was like the next…

Laura: Okay, I was about to, like, “Oh God, another year of Blickles. Ohh.”

Andrew: No, because now they would be called Clickles because…

Mikey: Sequels are better than the original? No, no.

Andrew: Yeah – not always. [laughs]

Mikey: Actually, almost never, but…


Muggle Mail: The Writers’ Strike


Andrew: Another e-mail. I think Mikey should be able to address this one. This comes from Bethany, 32, of Goshen, Indiana. She writes:

“Is Steve Kloves a member of the Writers’ Guild? If so, is that strike affecting the shooting of ‘Half-Blood Prince’? Also, if Kloves will also be the screenwriter on ‘Deathly Hallows,’ do you think this strike will push back that movie’s pre-production since he probably starts working on the script long before they start prepping each movie?”

Mikey: Ooooh.

Andrew: Mikey, is – I thought I heard somewhere that the Writers’ Guild will – the strike will eventually affect movie writers. Is that true?

Mikey: Oh, it definitely will. So right now the Writers’ Guild, they’re on strike – and actually I have quite a few friends that are on strike and it’s – I find it kind of funny. I definitely respect what they’re doing, but I kind of find it funny because these are creative types that sit on their computer and write and drink coffee and they’re not – they’re not the striker-type people, right?

Andrew: Right. [laughs]

Mikey: And they’re like, “Dude, I have to go picket,” and I’m like, “You’re really going to go down in front of the studio and stand there with your little sign and march across it?” And he was like, “Yeah, I have to. I mean, I have to.” So what the Guild is really affecting right now with the strike, is it’s definitely affecting TV shows. Is Kloves an American or is he…

Andrew: No.

Mikey: If he’s not American then he’s not part of the Writers’ Guild.

Andrew: Oh okay.

Mikey: Because if he’s – because I know it’s not affecting Canadian productions. A lot of productions have jumped up there recently, and U.K. is not affected by this, but this is definitely affecting just the U.S. writers. It can affect movies because sequels and stuff like that…

Andrew: Actually wait, wait, wait. I’ve got to cut you off.

Micah: I’m pretty sure Steve Kloves is American.

Andrew: Yeah, he is.

Andy: I thought he was American.

Mikey: It definitely – it’s definitely going to affect him. Probably not so much for Deathly Hallows because I would be surprised if he even started production for that script – started working on that until mid of 2008 even.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s true.

Mikey: Because the movie won’t be released till end of 2008 of Half-Blood Prince, so I would be very surprised if he even started, you know, while the strike is on, unless it lasts a very long time. The longest strike lasted six weeks I believe? From the Writers’ Guild…

Andrew: I think it was 22.

Mikey: Was it 22?

Andrew: I think it was 22. Yeah.

Mikey: Six weeks – I remember the last one was a very long time and…

Andrew: Did you say six months?

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh, I thought you said six weeks.

Mikey: Oh, I may have said six weeks but I meant six months. But it lasted six months, and I definitely agree with what they’re demanding, because right now this really is affecting more TV show writers, you know. I don’t expect it to last, you know, more than six months, and I don’t think it will affect Deathly Hallows too much.

Andrew: Well, there’s your answer.

Mikey: But it could definitely affect the movie industry.

MuggleCast 120 Transcript (continued)


Muggle Mail: Fawkes


Andrew: Yeah, which is kind of scary. Another e-mail now from Emma, fourteen, of Salt Lake City. She writes:

“Hey guys, love the show. When you guys were talking about Fawkes and his location after Dumbledore died, I think he would go live with Aberforth and to get around the whole ownership thing he would just come and go as he pleases.”

I think that’s an okay thought. I don’t know if Aberforth would really care for Fawkes, though.

Laura: Yeah, I don’t think so. I think that would have been mentioned, too, like…

Micah: I’m pretty sure – sorry.

Laura: No, I mean, I think that once Dumbledore died – like I think that it was very symbolic that Harry kept hearing the – what was it? The song.

Micah: The Phoenix song?

Laura: Yeah, the Phoenix song. He kept hearing it and then suddenly he realized that it stopped. And he realized everything that had just happened. So I feel like it was just very symbolic and very telling of the fact that Fawkes was gone to wherever Phoenixes go whenever their owners die.

Micah: Right, and I think…

Andrew: Yeah, that would have been funny if like – go ahead, Micah.

Micah: I was just going to say that I was pretty sure Jo said that Fawkes was non-transferrable, meaning that he wouldn’t go anywhere else.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: So I don’t know where he would go but it’s not – he’s not going to go and live with anybody else in particular. He’s going to the Phoenix zoo and – I don’t know. [laughs] I’m making that up.

Andrew: Wouldn’t it be funny if – you know, it’s that whole sad scene where Fawkes flies off into the distance and he just makes a sharp left turn and ends up in Aberforth’s?

Laura: [laughs] That would…

Andrew: I could sort of see like a Family Guy, Simpsons

Laura: Yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: It’s what I was thinking.


Fantasy Death Scene


Andrew: All right, so – and then in the second part of Emma’s e-mail, she writes:

“I have something for you to discuss on the show this week. If you guys could make a death scene for Tonks and Lupin, what would happen? Just seeing how creative you guys could get.”

I guess none of us are really writers, but anyone have their fantasy death scene? Did anyone ever give that any thought?

Laura: I’ve never thought about it. I didn’t really imagine that Tonks and Lupin were killed by anybody highly significant or anybody that we knew, just because Jo didn’t mention it.

Micah: One of the…

Andrew: She did, though.

Micah: She did.

Laura: Who’d she say killed them? I don’t remember.

Andrew: Oh, she did in a web-chat.

Micah: Bellatrix killed Tonks.

Mikey: And then…

Micah: And Dolohov killed Lupin, I think.

Mikey: Yeah. Well, see, I actually imagined Lupin’s death. And the reason for this is because we’ve gone on tour with Alex…

Andrew: [laughs] That’s what I thought you were going to say.

Mikey: ….from The Remus Lupins, and we’ve had a whole night where we were discussing, how would Lupin go out? And we came up with this exa – you know, this crazy thing where Dolohov and Lupin were there. And Lupin was actually saving babies, and he went out as a champ. He saved a thousand wizards by sacrificing himself.

[Laura laughs]

Mikey: You know.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: If he didn’t die, Harry probably would’ve lost. That’s what would happen.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Mikey: Because Lupin was the pivotal role, but – and Jo just didn’t want to take away from Harry’s victory by describing Lupin’s epic battle against Dolohov. So…

Laura: Yeah.

Mikey: We’ve – I’ve discussed it. It’s pretty awesome.

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: You know, one of you guys can read our transcript of it. But it’s pretty awesome. One of you guys can read our transcript of it, but it’s pretty awesome.

Andrew: Maybe we can make a video of it with Alex being the actor.

[Mikey laughs]

Andrew: Since he has starred in film projects before. [laughs]

Mikey: Oh yes, we should.

Andrew: I’ve always – well, actually, not always, but if I were to picture it, I would picture it like Titanic-ish. Like…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: …Jack – like, “Jack, I’ll never let go!” It’s like, “Tonks, I’ll never let go!” And then, since they’re sort of newlyweds…

Mikey: And then Avada kedavra from each end and then they die.

Laura: Yeah. [laughs]

Mikey: Poof! That’s really sad.

Andrew: And they let go.

Mikey: Like come on! You can see Tonks maybe like tripping over her cloak and falling into Bellatrix, and Bellatrix is just like, “Ah!” And, you know, that way.

Micah: Right.

Mikey: Although, that’s not…

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Mikey: “Ah!” Actually, you know, that’s kind of sad. Because I think Tonks is better than that.

Micah: I could see…

Mikey: I think maybe even – yeah.

Micah: …even Bellatrix sneaking up from behind on Tonks and killing her that way because that’s how vicious she is.

Andrew: Maybe Bellatrix just comes out of nowhere and then…

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: …Tonks just falls through a cloth, and then it’s all unexplained.

[Laura and Mikey laugh]

Mikey: Or maybe Tonks was trying to deal with her Metamorphosis skills. Because her nose gets stuck like a duck beak, and she’s trying to deal with that.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Mikey: And then Bellatrix is just like, “Aha! Say quack!”

[Laura laughs]

Mikey: And then…

[Laura and Mikey laugh]

Andrew: Say quack.

Mikey: Oh yeah. I’m sorry. See? I’m being creative.

Andrew: She’s like, “Fix this, Tonks!” [makes explosive sounds]

Mikey: Yeah. All right.


Muggle Mail: Harry Potter‘s Impact on Literature


Andrew: “Smell this one, Tonks!” [makes explosive sounds] No? All right, another e-mail comes from Anna of Phoenix, Arizona. Here’s a nice little topic, although – well, no, we’ll talk about this. She writes:

“Hey guys! Thanks so much for all you do. Here’s a subject I’d love to hear you guys lay in on. Where do you think will be ‘Harry Potter”s impact in literature? In the future, do you think the series will be a classic in C.S. Lewis or J.R.R. Tolkien fashion or a classic in only the fantasy genre? Will the series continue to be popular as a children and teen book or as an adult book as well? How will HPH, how will…”

Well, we’ll get to each question in a second… [laughs] …as we move along. So the first one, how do you guys think Harry Potter will end up in literature? I don’t think we’ve ever talked about this. I think it’d be a good topic to discuss.

Laura: I think it’s going to be a classic. Absolutely.

Andrew: Do you, though?

Laura: Yes, I do.

Andrew: I mean…

Laura: I really, really do, because you look at the effect that it has had on our generation and just the time that we’ve grown up in, and you look at books like the – well, like C.S. Lewis’ and Tolkien’s, and they all had similar effects on the people who read them. Those – I mean, it was very, very similar and just the way the fandom operated, I guess. Not in terms of making fan sites, but…

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: …I really think that these are the kind of books that people like us have our kids reading ten and fifteen years down the road. You know?

Andrew: Oh yeah. I would definitely love to get my kids into it. But it’s just – it goes back to that commercialize thing, though, because there’s toys, there’s video games…

Mikey: Well no, no. Okay, well hold on.

Andrew: …there’s movies for Harry Potter, there’s a theme park.

Mikey: Andrew, Andrew. A perfect – a perfect example of something like this, how you can actually draw on this, look at Star Wars. It was the same impact when the movie…

Andrew: Yeah, that’s true I guess.

Mikey: …was first released, there’s a ride at Disneyland, there’s action figures. I would say Star Wars has more merchandise than Harry Potter.

Andrew: Probably.

Mikey: Yeah, probably has quite a bit because it’s been around longer. But Star Wars – yes, it’s not as – when you look at the original trilogy it’s definitely aging, but it’s one of those things where it’s still a classic film for what it did. Before that time there were no special effects the way Star Wars was done. It was groundbreaking. And it’s one of those things where it had a hardcore fan base just like Harry Potter does, and it’s definitely a test of the time, and it’s still around, and because the fans were so adamant about it they wanted these other stories told. I think if we keep pushing Jo to give us some more stories, we’ll get James Potter and the Elder Echoes – whatever that website was for – we’ll get those stories made. So…

Andrew: Yeah. I don’t know.

Andy: I think it will be a classic, because Harry Potter books aren’t going to date. There’s no real, sort of, time references in it except Dudley playing on the Playstation, but other than that, it’s still going to be relevant to people in the future.

Andrew: Yeah. Well, yeah, it’s definitely a timeless story. I guess since we’re sort of living in the “Harry Potter Generation,” I just personally have a harder time imagining it being in like – see, when I think classic I sort of think like what we see in our literature books or what we actually discuss in school, or…

Laura: Well, that’s true, but there’s also classics in terms of The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe. I don’t think that people who were fans of that book when it came out imagined that it would be read by third graders across the world years and years down the road, you know?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Micah: Well, I mean, it can even go back to what you guys were talking about, or what we were all talking about before, when you brought up the whole idea of having Harry Potter in schools. And I think that years from now it’s definitely a good possibility, because if you look around in this moment, put aside the fact that we’re all Harry Potter fans, what other books are out there that sort of define the time like these do?

Andrew: That’s true.

Micah: Is there really anything else? I don’t think there’s been something like this in quite some time that has brought so many people together, at least in the literature aspect. So to think that it’s not going to hold its ground, in the next fifty to one hundred years, I think, would be a bad assumption to make.

Mikey: You know what, Micah? That also brings up – that would also answer my point where it’s the parents that would probably be kind of going, “Oh what is this Harry Potter? It’s a children’s book?” Since we’re going to be growing up as parents eventually, we’re going to be saying, “Oh, our kids should read these books.” And if it’s in schools we’re going to be definitely for that. I think it probably won’t be implemented right away, so I definitely think it’s going to be a classic and last.

Andrew: When – see, I just think though, one huge thing that’s going to be missing is the excitement…

Mikey: Waiting for a book?

Andrew: …leading up – right, leading up to the release. I mean, that’s like ninety percent of the Harry Potter fandom and thrill and excitement and, overall, just – the reason it’s been so huge and publicized is because of the lead up to these books has been tremendous. And, I mean, say fifty years from now when these people pick up the book and they read Sorcerer’s Stone they’ll be like, “Oh, this is great!” And then they just get the next one. Read that. “Oh, this is great!” And then they get the next one. You know, it’ll be classic, but it won’t…

Laura: Well, there won’t be…

Andrew: You sort of understand what I’m saying?

Laura: Well, I mean…

Mikey: They won’t have the same experience.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: This is a once in a lifetime experience. I mean, we’re very lucky to have grown up when we have.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: But I don’t think that that changes the effect that the story will have on people.

Andrew: No.

Mikey: No, I agree completely with Laura, and again, back to my Star Wars example, I wasn’t around when Star Wars was in the movie theaters. You know, the original trilogy. Yet, I’m still a ridiculously huge fan of Harry Potter and Star Wars, and I know my kids are going to be fans of probably both of those because I’ll be there watching and reading it with them.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Mikey: So yeah. They just won’t get the experience of going to a midnight release.

Andy: Do you think it’ll be like, sort of, that much of a classic in the future when someone’s going to be picking up the first book, and they’re already going to be knowing, well, Harry lives in this series. For us, we picked up the first book knowing nothing, but most people are going to know, sort of, how the story plays out.

Mikey: Well, you know, it’s one of those things where I never questioned whether Harry was going to live to die until people started saying, “well, Harry might not make it through because Jo put that in.” Everyone kind of just assumed that the hero was going to make it through, and…

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: …it’s one of those things where, up until she said, “well, how do you know Harry’s going to live?” I don’t think any of us really thought that he was going to die. And that’s just kind of an aspect of what we get because we’re waiting for these new books. It’s kind of like…

Andy: Right. Yeah.

Mikey: …you go into – say you’ve never seen Star Wars, but right away you go, “oh, the good guys are going to win.” Same thing with most movies; you know the good guys are going to win. But you still jump – you still react to when the hero is being attacked by this transforming robot, you know what I mean? [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, that’s true.

Mikey: You go, “Oh my gosh! Is he going to live? Is he going to die?” You still react to it even though you know the good guy’s going to win, so it’s a happy ending. And if he doesn’t win in this one, the sequel he’s going to win or the third one he’s going to win, finally. Is…

Andy: Yeah.

Mikey: It’s going to be the same. Does Frodo destroy the ring? We all were waiting for him to drop the ring in there but, sure enough, eventually it happened.

Micah: And I think you can ask the same question about the last two movies. You know what’s going to happen. Are you still going to see the movie?

Andrew: Yeah. I think WB’s going to have to put a lot more emphasis on promoting the films because you’ve got to get people more excited now, don’t you?

Mikey: Mmm…

Andrew: I mean, you don’t have that book excitement anymore. It’s sort of – it’s just sort of…

Mikey: I wouldn’t…

Andrew: …chew off of, I guess you could say.

Mikey: I wouldn’t say that. I would say I’m still excited for each movie release.

Andy: Yeah.

Mikey: I remember Goblet of Fire, I wasn’t in New York with you guys; in fact, I don’t even know if I knew you guys then. But I remember seeing it four or five times opening weekend. And it was, again, hands down, best movie ever.

[Laura laughs]

Mikey: It was really a great movie, and I enjoyed it, and, yes, I had read the book and I knew what happened after it. It’s not – it wasn’t – to me, it wasn’t that – it’s separate from the books. And there are the people who don’t read the books at all and they just watch the movies.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: I mean, my little brother’s one of those people. I keep telling him, “Read the books. I have all of them.” But he’s like, “Eh, I don’t want to read them.”

Andrew: Yeah, everyone does that.

Mikey: But he’s there with me all the time at the movie. He knows what happens in the movie. And what happens is, sometimes he’ll ask me – if he doesn’t completely understand something, he’ll ask me. So it’s like, “Who is that?” and I’ll be, like, yeah, this is so and so. And he calls me Mike not Mikey.

Andrew: Well, you know what? My brother’s eleven and when he tells – when he asks me that when he’s watching a movie, I just tell him, “I’m not telling you. Read the book.” Because I really think people need to read the books on top of seeing the movies. And I don’t think little kids like my brother should be just relying on the movies to get what everyone else has out of the book. So I just force my brother to find out by – gasp – reading.

[Laura laughs]

Micah: But it could also be argued that it’s a poor job on the part of the films if they’re not explaining certain things…

Andrew: Yeah, well…

Micah: …when they should.

Andrew: …then you get into the whole, “Oh, we’ve got to cut down on stuff that doesn’t really advance the plot,” etc, etc. So I guess that’s basically what Anna was asking. We answered all of her questions in there.


Muggle Mail: Give the Guys Some Love


Andrew: Next e-mail comes from Tanya, twenty-three of Montreal, Canada. She writes:

“Hey guys! I just finished listening to the live show you did and I found something pretty disturbing. Did you notice that almost all girls that called in where the typical ‘fan girls’ and all the guys who called in sounded so depressed? What’s up with the MuggleCast guy listeners? Maybe you should start up the dating service and get these guys some love.”

[laughs] I think it’s just…

[Andy laughs]

Andrew: …when guys call in they might feel a little, like – well, first of all, some – not all the guys sounded depressed, but I just think some guys were like, “calling into a Harry Potter radio show, I guess I shouldn’t get all excited.”

Mikey: I think we should do a MuggleCast…

Laura: They’re trying to be manly.

Andrew: [laughs] They’re trying to be manly, yeah. [laughs]

Mikey: I think we should do a MuggleCast dating service. Win A Date With Andrew Sims!

Andrew: Now see, that – about a year ago – maybe not even a year ago – I tried to start this segment on the show called MuggleCast Dating Service, where…

Mikey: Yeah, I know, I know.

Andrew: …I had people e-mail – yeah. But it was too complicated. It was too hard just to find matches.

Mikey: If it’s too difficult finding matches.

Andrew: It would have been a good idea, though!

Mikey: You know what we should do? Andrew, what you should do, you should go to True or the E-Harmony and get the little polls that they do. You know, sign up for yourself, Andrew, and get the little polls…

Andrew: Yeah, see…

Mikey: … and we have fans fill them out and we’ll match them up together, and…

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: …you know – in the same city, in the same…


Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul


Andrew: There you go, yeah. We’ll get to one last e-mail this week and it’s a Chicken Soup. It comes from Leah, twenty, of Allen Town, Pennsylvania.

Micah: She says:

“Hi guys, I have a submission for Chicken Soup for the MuggleCaster’s Soul. I don’t have a sad medical story and I wasn’t caught in a natural disaster, but MuggleCast has seriously made my life better. I’m currently a junior in college and lately I’ve been questioning where my life is going. Just wait, guys, you’ll probably be doing it too. But every Sunday I know that I have something solid to look forward to. I feel like I know you all and your conversations are real and relatable. I love ‘Harry Potter’ but I love you guys more.”

Andrew: Aww.

Micah: “You make my week, every week, and you’ve truly made my life a happy one. Thanks, Leah.”

Laura: Aww.

Andrew: That’s very nice.

Micah: How appropriate around Thanksgiving time.

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: What are you guys thankful for this Thanksgiving?

Micah: Andy?

[Andrew and Mikey laugh]

Andrew: Andy, do they celebrate Thanksgiving down there?

Andy: No, they don’t.

Andrew: See? There you go.

Andy: We all kind of know what it is though.

Micah: That was a joke.

Andrew: Harry Potter. Oh, well – oh, Micah are you thankful for Andy? Is that what you were…

Micah: [laughs] No.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I am thankful for…my friends. You’re supposed to go “aww.”

Laura and Mikey: Aww…

Laura: Aww, we’re your friends, Andrew?

Andrew: Huh?

Laura: We’re your friends?

Andrew: No, no, wait, not you guys.

Mikey: Oh okay. Andrew! I thought we were friends, Andrew.

Andrew: No, only when I need a place to stay in L.A.

Mikey: Oh okay.

Andrew: [laughs] Laura, how about you? Let’s all be sappy for a little. We’re getting into the holiday season so we have to gear up for that ever so corny annual MuggleCast episode where we’re like, “Happy Holidays, everyone!”

Laura: Well, honestly, I’m thankful for you guys. I love you guys! So, I can’t imagine my life without you. End sappiness.

Andrew: Aww, that’s sweet. Micah?

Micah: Same.

Andrew: [laughs] Mikey? If you say Leslie. Don’t say Leslie.

Mikey: I wasn’t going to.

Laura: Aww, say Leslie!

Mikey: Okay, I was going to.

Laura: That’s so sweet!

Mikey: Well, I am going to say what I’m thankful for is just my – everything is going real good in my life right now. I’m thankful for the way things have turned out so far.

Andrew: Oh good.

Mikey: So everything that’s been going on. And MuggleCast is part of my life, so I’m thankful for that too, and you guys, and everything. I’m a little teary-eyed.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] Seriously. Not trying to sound all corny and stuff, but we really are thankful for the listeners, especially after the book release. We’ve still had a very steady listener base, basically the same from around book/movie release time. So we thank everyone for listening. We are thankful for you guys.

Mikey: No, you know what? I really am. I love all the fans that contact me. I go on AIM and they talk to me and I’ll sit there and talk to all of them, and…

Andrew: Yeah, they’re very cool.

Mikey: Yeah, they’re cool. Definitely they are. And I definitely think that, you know – they’re hip. They’re cool.


Wizard Rock


Andrew: Yeah. Yup, definitely. There are a couple related – show related announcements that we’ll get to next week. They’re more business-like, so we’ll worry about those next week. This show has gone on long enough. I just want to say, guys, that tomorrow I’m going to be going to a Wizard Rock show in Philadelphia featuring the Whomping Willows and the Moaning Myrtles. Micah, you met the Moaning Myrtles.

Micah: Yeah, but you’re – well…

Andrew: Huh?

Micah: Nothing.

Andrew: Okay.

Mikey: The Moaning Myrtles are cool, man! I’m down with the Wizard Rock! Wizard Rock!

Andrew: I’m hoping to put this show out tonight; that’s why I sort of mentioned it. So if anyone’s in the Jersey/Philly area, I recommend you go to that show. Just check the Whomping Willows’ MySpace.

Mikey: Guys, guys, any listeners, if you go to the Whomping Willows show, go up to Matt, the Whomping Willow, the tree guy, that plays guitar. Go up to him, give him a big hug, and say, “Mikey B. says hi.” Really, I want – I want like…

Andrew: I’ll do that, Mikey, I’ll do it.

Mikey: Thank you, but anyone else wants to give him – say, “Mikey B. says hi.” I miss Matt and Mochocko, I really do. I love Wizard Rock. Who doesn’t? Really?

Andrew: You know, I actually bought Jingle Spells, and it just came in the other day.

Mikey: You know, I haven’t been able to get that yet because I haven’t been online.

Andrew: You want me to burn you a copy? [laughs]

Mikey: It’s for a good cause.

Andrew: I know, that’s why I said it. It was a joke.

Mikey: I need to buy it soon. I just haven’t been online because I’ve been working on stuff.

Andrew: I have to say, it’s not bad, it’s not bad.

Mikey: Really? Yeah.


Contact Information


Andrew: Yeah. So with that I think that does wrap up the show today. Well, it’s time to remind everyone about our contact information. Laura, if people want to send us parcel mail, including glass pickles, where do they sent that?

Laura: To MuggleCast, P.O. Box 3151, Cumming, Georgia
30028.

Andrew: Also, we’re going to get back to voicemails very soon. We’re just trying to get our voicemail box fixed. Kevin’s working on that. If you’re in the United States you can call 1-218-20-MAGIC; that’s 1-218-206-2442. If you’re in the United Kingdom it’s 02081440677. If you’re in Australia you can dial 0280035668, just like Andy.

[Show music begins]

Andrew: You can also Skype the username MuggleCast. Just remember to keep your message under a minute and eliminate as much background noise as possible so your message is crystal clear. You can also visit MuggleCast.com for a handy feedback form. To contact any one of us and you can also use our first name at staff dot mugglenet dot com. Andy, what’s the best way to contact you via e-mail if people so choose?

Andy: Probably webmaster at harry potter fanzone dot com or just go onto the site and fill out the contact form and I will get back to you.

Andrew: Sweet. Don’t forget of all of our community outlets over at MuggleCast.com. We got the MySpace, the Facebook, YouTube, Frappr, Last.FM, and the fanlisting. Also Digg the show at Digg.com, vote for us once a month at Podcast Alley, and rate and review us at Yahoo! Podcasts. Also check out that cool new Wall Of Fame over at MuggelCast.com, subscribe with your Zune and all that. It’s all good.


Show Close


Andrew: All right. Andy from HarryPotterFanZone.com, thank you very much for joining us.

Andy: No problem. Thanks for having me on.

Andrew: We’ll have you on again soon. Yeah, you were good.

Micah: Happy Thanksgiving.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Happy Thanksgiving to you and all the other Australians, like Erica Crombie, if she still listens. Thank you, everyone, for listening. Once again Iím Andrew Sims.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Mikey: [imitating Micah] I’m Mikey B.

Andy: And I’m Andy McCray.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: We’ll see everyone next week for Episode 121.

Andrew and Laura: Buh-bye!

Mikey: Bye!

Micah: Bye!

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Transcript #119

MuggleCast 119 Transcript


Show Intro


[Intro music begins]

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[“Innuendo” by Queen begins playing]

Andrew: Because we are l-l-l-live, this is MuggleCast Episode 119 for November 10th, 2007!

[Song plays]

[Show music begins]

Andrew: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen! Welcome to MuggleCast Live. It is 3:01 PM Eastern Standard Time here on the eastern seaboard. Micah and Laura are here.

Laura: Hey, everybody.

Micah: Hey.

Andrew: And not loud enough. Try that again.

Laura: Hey!

Andrew: There we go.

Micah: Hey!


Listener-Please-Stop-Listening-To-Our-Show-You-Have-A-Dirty-Mouth-E-mail-Of-The-Week


Andrew: Yay! We’re going start the show off this week with a fun new segment. This is called Listener-Please-Stop-Listening-To-Our-Show-You-Have-A-Dirty-Mouth-E-mail-Of-The-Week. Micah.

Micah: All right. The first one comes from Eric, 38, of Dallas, Texas. And he said:

“Dear MuggleCast, I was listening to the last episode of MuggleCast and could not believe my ears. I mean what the bleep is up with all the bleeping cursing? I thought this was a family friendly show; what a crock of bleep. If you don’t all figure out how to edit the bleeping show properly, I’ll have to come and bleep-slap the group of you. Jesus bleeping Christ, get your bleep together and stop with all the family unfriendly talk.”

Andrew: Uh…okay!

Micah: Well, we should add that Eric was just kidding. He said:

“Great show, guys. Seriously, I will keep listening and laughing as I do.”

Andrew: Oh, okay. That was funny. Yeah, so the reason for that e-mail [laughs] is last week I accidentally left in a naughty, naughty word.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Said by Laura.

Laura: Yeah, thanks.

Andrew: [laughs] No problem! And I was like, “Laura I’m so sorry! I missed the thing, I wasn’t paying attention!” Listen, it happens on the show. I mean, we say it when we’re recording all the time.

Laura: Oh yeah, a lot, really.

Micah: Hopefully it doesn’t happen today, though.

Andrew: No, because we are live today on UStream and we have right now over 500 listeners on the UStream feed, so things are going good so far. We’ve got a couple things to talk about on this week’s show. We’re going start it off as a normal show; we’re not going to be taking calls until later in the episode. So we’re going jump right into some news stories, unless, Micah, you want to read off the news to us and treat it like a pre-recorded show.

Micah: Umm…

Andrew: You don’t have to. [laughs]

Micah: I don’t really have the news right now…

Andrew: That’d be awkward.

Micah: …so that’s not going to happen.

Andrew: Okay. That’d be awkward. [laughs]

Micah: Very awkward.


News: Jo Candidate for TIME‘s Person of the Year


Andrew: So we’ll start off with something that we’ve been seeing really every year. I mean, it’s a good story, but it never actually happens. Jo is being considered once again for TIME Person of the Year, and they have pros and cons for each candidate that they’re considering. And the pros for Jo: “She finished a seven-book epic that will be read by children and lots of adults for generations to come, slowly creeping up on Agatha [pronounces A-GATH-a] Christie…”

Laura: Ag…

Andrew: Huh?

Laura: [pronounces Ag-a-tha] Agatha.

Andrew: Agatha. “…Agatha Christie as the most read author not named Shakespeare.” And the con – the con, the reason why Jo should not be Person of the Year: “Seventh book wasn’t her best and hard to argue that she was the most important person of 2007.” So I thought we should talk about why we think – well, first of all, I think she’s certainly a very good candidate for Person of the Year. Don’t you guys think so?

Laura: Yeah. I think so, too, and I think that that’s really cruddy reasoning to say that the seventh book wasn’t her best. It’s all really a matter of opinion, I think. A lot of people really liked the seventh book. A lot of people didn’t, and, I mean, if you want to say that she wasn’t the most important person of 2007, who was last year’s person?

Andrew: You!

Laura: You.

Andrew: You!

Laura: I don’t think that “you”…

[Micah laughs]

Laura: …were the most important person of 2007.

Andrew: Hey! That’s kind of mean. You mean 2006?

Laura: 2000 – you know what I mean!

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: Whatever! But I mean, she finished this epic series in 2007, so why shouldn’t she have it?

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, I – there’s no – they don’t give a good reason why she shouldn’t be. Just because the seventh book – if they think it wasn’t her best, why does that mean she shouldn’t – it’s about the series as a whole, not just that one book.

Micah: Right. I agree.

Laura: Mhm.

Micah: You’re talking about a culmination of a seven-part series. If at any time she deserved the award, I think it would be now.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: And you should also factor in all the charity work that she does. I mean, she raises so much money probably every single year for so many different charities that I think that would touch on sort of the international community as well. Not just her books but her charity work.

Andrew: Yeah. I agree with that. And, you know, also, it’s just like, you wonder who else they’re nominating. I don’t have the list up right now. Let me get it up real quick. Let’s see here. Loading, loading, loading, loading, loading. Well, J.K. Rowling is currently ranking number one right now, but that’s because all the fan sites were like “Go vote for her.” In number two spot: Al Gore. Number three: Steve Jobs. Obama’s number four. Clinton’s number five – Hilary Clinton is number five. General David Petraeus is number six. Condoleezza Rice is seven. Hu Jintao – I don’t know who that is. Hu Jintao. Laura, do you know? Or Micah?

Laura: No, but please tell me that General Petraeus and Condoleezza Rice will not win over J.K. Rowling, because I would cry.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: I would cry anguished tears. Oh my God.

Andrew: Vladimir Putin’s number nine, and Mahmoud…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew:[mumbles and mispronounces Ahmadinejad] is number ten.

Laura: Oh my God.

Andrew: First of all, let’s go through this list. Obama and Clinton. They’re not Person of the Year unless they win the election next year, I don’t think.

Laura: And that wouldn’t even be this year.

Andrew: Yeah. You’re right. Steve Jobs, he’s very cool, but he invented the iPhone. It’s – as much as an Apple fan that I am, I can’t – is he that great? [laughs] Does he deserve it? No.

Laura: Yeah. I don’t think so.

Andrew: Let’s see. Who else? We got Al Gore. Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize this year. That’s definitely something.

Laura: Yeah, I think that that is definitely justified.

Andrew: Yeah, but he got – come on, what’s the Person of the Year Award compared to the Nobel Peace Prize? It’s nothing. Condi, Laura, basically said that…

Laura: No.

Andrew: …so, yeah. I mean [sighs] it’s hard. It’s hard. I’m going to make that the UStream poll right now. I mean, I have a feeling everyone’s going to vote for Jo anyway, but, Micah, what do you think? Do you think that Jo’s a good candidate for Person of the Year?

Micah: Yeah, definitely. I mean, there’s always going be people on here who are sort of more worldly individuals, but I think that she sits right up there thus far. I mean, before talking about her charity work and then talking about just the influence she’s had on the entire world, not necessarily one country. You know, you look at Putin or whatever – I’m not even going to try and pronounce his name – in Iran, but – I don’t know. I don’t really see how much competition she’s going to have from these other people.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] I…

Micah: Who’s affected that many people throughout the world, aside from her, in this particular group of people?

Andrew: I don’t think there’s anyone.

Laura: Yeah. I mean, a lot of those people have definitely affected some people. A couple of them not as good as others, but I really think that Jo has the farthest outreach, you know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I mean – and I’m sure I’m going to get e-mails from people saying, “Well, we have the General Secretary of the Communist Party of China, we have the head of Iran, we have the President of Russia, so…”

Andrew: Right.

Micah: “…why are you saying that J.K. Rowling has more influence on these people?” But…

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: …I think a large part she does.

Andrew: I have a feeling it’ll be a political figure, because – just because of the war going on, and…

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: …I don’t know. I mean, it all depends who’s sitting at that table at TIME Magazine, what they like. If they’re all Harry Potter fans, I think J.K. Rowling would’ve been Person of the Year a long time ago. [laughs]

Laura: Yeah, that’s true.

Andrew: But we’ll…

Laura: Hasn’t she been nominated before?

Andrew: Yeah, she has.

Laura: Yeah, that’s what I thought.

Andrew: So whatever. We’ll see what happens there. [sighs] I did enjoy being Person of the Year last year, though. That made me feel good about myself.

Laura: [laughs] Yeah, I bet it did.


News: Helen McCrory Cast as Narcissa Malfoy


Andrew: Helen McCrory was cast as Narcissa Malfoy. She was going to be cast as Bellatrix Lestrange, but then she got pregnant and so she couldn’t film. Now they’re taking her back. I guess WB must really like her a lot since they’re giving her a second chance, and she’s going to be Narcissa Malfoy. I’m happy with this, because she’s sort of – she looks similar to – who plays Bellatrix?

Laura: Helena Bonham Carter.

Andrew: Right, yeah, sorry. They sort of look similar in their face, which would help when you’re looking like sisters.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: So I think that’s a good choice.

Laura: Yeah, I’ve seen a lot of people complaining, though, because Helen McCrory has dark hair and dark eyes.

Andrew: So?

Laura: Well, Narcissa’s blonde.

Andrew: Well…

Laura: But I mean – and what I…

Andrew: …Jason Isaacs wasn’t a blonde. [laughs]

Laura: Yeah. All I wanted to say to address that, is there’s this lovely thing called hair dye…

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: …and wigs.

Andrew: And a wig.

Laura: And contacts.

Andrew: Yeah, someone actually said that to me the other day. They were like, “I don’t think she looks like her.” I’m like, “Well, once you get – once you throw a wig on her, you know…” Robbie Coltrane doesn’t look like Hagrid.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Minerva…

Laura: No…

Andrew: [laughs] You know? Minerva McGonagall is not a spitting image of what’s-her-face.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Maggie Smith.

Andrew: I’ve got to brush up on my actresses.

Laura: And Michael Gambon doesn’t run around with his hippie beard.

Andrew: Right. [laughs] Yeah. Wigs, people, wigs!

Micah: Yup. Jason Isaacs – doesn’t he wear a wig too?

Andrew: Yeah, that’s what I said. Weren’t you listening, Micah?

Micah: No.

Andrew: Oh. Okay, so…

[Andrew and Micah laugh]


News: Rowling Comments on Lexicon Situation


Andrew: Another news story: J.K. Rowling updates fans on the Harry Potter Lexicon situation. Of course, we had a little talk about this last week. And she wrote on her website:

“A judge in New York granted an order against RDR Books in respect to the proposed book The Harry Potter Lexicon. Such order applying to any proposed licensing of the book worldwide. Judge Patterson has imposed a restraining order on the publishers of the Lexicon, which will remain in place until February 2008. This means that the book cannot be completed, published or marketed until the court has had time to decide whether it would break the law if published in its present form.” And Jo goes on to say, “I take no pleasure in the fact that publication has been prevented for the present. On the contrary, I feel massively disappointed that this matter had to come to court at all. Despite repeated requests, the publishers have refused to even countenance making any changes to the book to ensure that it does not infringe my rights.” [sighs] Micah, what do you think about this? You weren’t on the show last week. What do you think of this whole situation? Does Steve Vander Ark – should he stand by it and publish that darn book?

Micah: I think that he is in a tough situation because he allowed RDR Books to really respond for him instead of maybe try to do it himself. It seems that RDR Books has really taken the wrong approach here and not tried to work with Warner Bros. or J.K. Rowling in any way whatsoever, and that’s kind of the feeling that Jo has been giving, I think, a lot of her fans the last couple weeks, is that this is an issue that has been tried to be worked out, and it doesn’t seem like anybody on the side of the Lexicon or RDR Books is stepping up to try and make the situation one that’s easy to work with.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I mean, just based on the last thing that she said, that the publishers have refused to make any changes. I know Warner Bros. – wasn’t there a part where they asked to receive a copy of the book, and they said, “Well, why don’t you just tell one of your workers to print the website?” You know, that kind of attitude, I don’t really think, is something that is going to help them out at all. Just, “Oh, go and print the website, go and print the website. That’s the book.” I mean, I think if they would’ve sent a copy over, and Warner Bros. made whatever changes they felt were necessary, Jo made whatever changes she thought necessary, then it probably could’ve been worked out in the end.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. It’s just a disappointing situation. I mean…

Laura: Yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: She’s fairly disappointed, too.

Andrew: Who?

Laura: Jo. I mean…

Andrew: Oh, she’s P.O.-ed! [laughs]

Laura: Well, I mean, it’s not just that. You can tell that she’s so disappointed that it’s come down to this because she’s been such a fan of the Lexicon, you know?

Andrew: Yeah. I’m waiting for the day that she retracts the fan site award.

Laura: Aw, I don’t think she would do that.

Andrew: [laughs] I’ve been checking it, too, just in case, because, I don’t know.

Laura: You are obnoxious. She would not do that.

Andrew: You never know, you never know. Well, who would’ve thought she would ever sue a fan site? [laughs]

Laura: Well, when they’re trying to sell…

Andrew: Okay!

Laura: …facts verbatim from her books, yeah.


News: Trio Responds to Dumbledore Being Gay


Andrew: Fine. Yeah. [laughs] And – okay, we don’t want to talk about Dumbledore being gay much, but the trio did respond to the comments, and I thought their responses were pretty funny. So I do want to play them right now, and we’ll talk about them. This is a report from ITM, [in English accent] so you’re going to hear an English accent at first.

News Reporter: With a load of hormonal teenage witches and wizards running around Hogwarts, the love life of its elderly headmaster, Albus Dumbledore, was never really the focus until now…

[Laura whispers something]

Andrew: [whispering] Laura, you can’t talk over; people hear you!

News Reporter: Harry Potter author, J.K. Rowling, recently outed the character as gay, to the shock of fans around the world…

Laura: [whispering] You can’t hear it.

Andrew: [whispering] They can.

Laura: [whispering] Oh.

News Reporter: It was also a surprise to stars Daniel Radcliffe, Rupert Grint, and Emma Watson…

Andrew: [whispering] Yeah. We’ll just pretend like you hear and then we’ll know.

News Reporter: …who played Harry, Ron, and Hermione in all five films.

Daniel Radcliffe: But I was just thinking, “Oh, she’s winding them up,” and then it came out in the papers, and I was like, “Oh, maybe she really, really means it then.” I thought it was hilarious. And why shouldn’t he be gay? He’s never had a wife.

Andrew: Good point, Dan Radcliffe. Dan Radcliffe says in this video – if you didn’t hear, Laura, just now – Dan Radcliffe says in this video, guys, “Why shouldn’t he be gay? He never had a wife!” And Dan was totally cool with it, and he thought the same thing I did, which – when she first announced it, he thought Jo was just messing with him at first – messing with us, the fans, first, but then it turned out to be true.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: So the best part of this video is from Rupert. They basically cut him off halfway through the set. [laughs] It’s pretty funny; here it is.

Rupert Grint: I was quite shocked, really, because you don’t really expect it.

Emma Watson: It makes sense…

Andrew: Cut, cut! [laughs] Mid-sentence! He’s like, “Oh, I didn’t really expect it, but…” cut to Emma. Yeah, Rupert, a man of many words there. And then Emma’s response.

Emma Watson: I was like, “Yeah, it fits together,” so…

News Reporter: The gang had currently…

Andrew: “It fits together,” says Emma, it fits together. I have a feeling she wasn’t really – like someone just broke the news to her. So she was just like, “Oh! It fits.”

Laura: Yeah. I don’t know.

Andrew: [whispering] Do you guys not care about Dumbledore being gay?

Laura: Well, I didn’t know if you were still playing something!

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: I couldn’t hear it! And to be honest, I’m so tired of Dumbledore being gay! Dumbledore, stop being gay!

Andrew: Well, hey, hey, hey…

Laura: Stop talking…

Andrew: That’s kind of mean.

Laura: No, no, no, it’s just like, everybody keeps sending in e-mails about Dumbledore being gay, and I’m just like, “Stop it! He’s gay! No one cares anymore!”

Andrew: Yeah, yeah…

Laura: Please!

Andrew: …I know. Yeah, it’s an old story. We’re trying to move on from it. I’m sure once we take callers in a little bit, everyone’s going to be like, “Do you guys think that Dumbledore being gay is going to have a problem on the thing?”

Laura: We should just hang up.

Micah: The best e-mail that I read about it is – was “He’s a fictional character. Why do people care so much?”

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Exactly!

Andrew: Well, it’s the same question, why do we analyze? But let’s not analyze it again. [laughs] So a couple quick announcements, then we’ll get to one e-mail. Oh, by the way, Eric was supposed to be on the show. I’m pretty sure he said he was going to be here today and then he’s nowhere to be found.

Laura: Yep. What did we say, Andrew? What did we say?

Andrew: We knew he wasn’t going to be here on time.

Laura: Yeah.


Announcements: Podcast Alley and Ringtones


Andrew: [sighs] Which doesn’t surprise me. Okay, so a couple quick announcements first. First of all, thank you, everyone, for voting for us on Podcast Alley. We are high up there. I think I just said “Owey” – thank you. And let’s see where we are right now. We’re number three right now. Perfect. Perfect positioning. Thank you, everyone, for voting for us on there. You can continue to vote, to share your support for the show, over at PodcastAlley.com. And don’t forget, MuggleCast ringtones are for sale over at MuggleCast.com, and there’s a banner at the top. Those are – go to helping us raise some money for the show, any future live events that we do, our equipment, costs, etc., etc. And it’s the one thing WB hasn’t yelled at us at for selling, so we’re going to run with it until they do.

[Laura laughs]


Muggle Mail: American Tolerance


Andrew: Moving on to Muggle Mail now. There is this one e-mail about Dumbledore being gay. Did any of you guys put this in? I don’t remember putting it in. I’m afraid to read it.

Laura: I didn’t put anything in.

Micah: Yeah, I put it in, because we had spoken about this one before. It was sort of an opinion on Dumbledore tolerance in America. Do you remember that?

Andrew: Yeah. Do you want to read through it quick?

Micah: Sure. It comes from Claire, 15, in London. She says:

“Hi guys, I’m writing to you to say I love the show and you guys are great hosts. Firstly, I wanted to comment on the revelation that Dumbledore is gay. I think that this is a cool fact, but I really do not understand why it’s created such a mass controversy. I probably won’t make any friends by saying this, but I think it’s causing much more problems in America than here in England, where no one really seems to care that much. No offense to any of the American listeners who do not have a problem with homosexuality intended, but it is very odd to me that people in a country as great and vast as yours seem to have so little tolerance for others. It’s kind of ironic that one of the main plot lines in the books is about promoting prejudice and hatred of others with the [quack noise sounds] whole pureblood/Mud-blood dynamic, yet some of the series’ self proclaimed biggest fans can’t tolerate people in their own lives. It saddens me that after reading all the “Harry Potter” books, some fans still haven’t got the message that discrimination is wrong. Wasn’t that kind of the whole point? I know you’re probably sick to the back teeth of Dumbledore e-mails, and I hope this doesn’t ruffle too many feathers, but I felt I had to say something. Thank you and keep recording. Claire.”

Andrew: Yeah, that’s a good point. I mean, I haven’t talked to Jamie about this yet, but I don’t think it’s making much press over in the U.K.

Laura: No. Well, definitely – I mean, I have to say even when we were in Toronto over the summer, I noticed – just – I noticed a lot more homosexual couples in the open, I guess. Like walking around together, and it just seemed like it wasn’t as big a deal there. So I think that she definitely makes a point that people tend to not be as open to it here. Not that everyone is, because I’m sure now we’re going to get ten million e-mails yelling at us for saying Americans are intolerant, which isn’t true, but I think that she definitely does make a good point on her front.

Andrew: Yeah, I do agree with that. It’s – America overdoes everything within the media. The media destroys everything.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: So. [sighs] So that’s that. Micah, everyone in the chat’s saying you made a “quack” noise earlier in the show when you were reading that e-mail. And I have to say, I think you did.

Micah: Quack?

Laura: Yeah, I heard it too.

Andrew: Yeah, you made a quack noise.

Micah: Okay.


Advice with MuggleCast


Andrew: And the feed just died, but I think it’s coming back. No it’s…it’s back. Okay. Ah, UStream. Thank you, UStream, for hosting us for free, by the way. Maybe now it won’t crash as much. All right, so let’s go to – oh, okay, Advice with MuggleCast. We did this last week and then we got another e-mail this week from someone who has another question asking how we can help them. [laughs] And I think this is fun – so we’re like helping people out with Harry Potter problems. Don’t you guys?

Laura: I agree.

Micah: Sure, yeah.

Laura: I’m looking forward to the next one.

Micah: Quack.

Andrew: [laughs] Quack!

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: I think it was a bug. I think it was a bug in the system. But you did make a weird noise, Micah. Anyway:

“Dear Andrew, first of all, thank you for reading this. I’m sorry to bug you, but I think that you might be able to answer my question about “Equus.” Here it is: I’m a 13 year old girl from Michigan originally, but right now we’re in Georgia. I’ll be fourteen in 56 days on December 30th.”

That’s a fun birthday to have, right between Christmas and new years. Or whatever holiday you celebrate.

“By the time “Equus” came to Broadway, it would almost be my fifteenth birthday. My dad is in with the army and I found out that for my eighth move we’ll be in Washington D.C. We’d be about five hours away from New York City. When I found out that Dan was confirmed to come to New York, I went crazy. I’ve been in love with “Harry Potter” for nine years this December, and I used to be a huge Dan fan girl before I moved on to Oliver Phelps.”

[laughs]

“I’ve been trying to meet – or at least be in the same room – with as many of the cast members as possible. I’ve already met three. Even just seeing Dan would be amazing, and this may be my only opportunity unless I save up enough money for two tickets to London for the “Deathly Hallows” premiere. My only problem is my mother. I have a strong feeling that she’s going to have a problem with the naked Dan love scene. Is it really all that bad? I mean, I’d be almost fifteen and I’ve been told that I’m very mature for my age. My own mom even says that I’m thirteen going on twenty-seven. And it’s not like I’m going to this as a complete “Harry Potter” fan. I promise that no robes, Gryffindor tie, or “Harry Potter”-related t-shirts would be involved. I would just want to see a phenomenal play with Dan in it. Considering what you are – considering that you are the one to usually censor the show and remind your co-hosts that it is indeed a children’s podcast (although 117 was hopelessly hysterical and I won’t be letting my mom listen to it), what do you think? Should I even bother to try and convince her to let me get tickets, or am I fighting a lost cause?”

Laura, what do you think? If you were thirteen – well, if you were going to be fifteen and you said, “Mommy, I want to see Equus“…

Laura: My mom would absolutely let me go. And I don’t think that – see, I’ve never been of the opinion that children should be sheltered from nudity because I feel like a body is a body and everyone has one. So I don’t see the reason why somebody shouldn’t be allowed to see Equus just because there’s someone naked in it.

Andrew: Yeah. Especially if you’re complimenting your daughter on being mature for her age. Let’s face it, she’s seen…

Laura: Yeah. You’ve seen the play. So what exactly goes on in this scene?

Andrew: Well… [laughs] …now that’s what you don’t want to tell you’re mom.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Basically, up until that point, Dan is completely enthralled with horses. So him and this girl, I forget what her name is in the play now, it’s been a while. But him and this girl are alone in this room and this girl wants to have….

Micah: Relations…

Andrew: …relationships with Dan. So she takes off her clothes first and then Dan takes off his clothes. Very slowly, mind you. And let’s see what happens then. At this point I was totally giggling. I was totally fan girling. I was like, “Oh my God! Dan!” So…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Just kidding, I wasn’t really. And at that point they start…how do you say…

Laura: Having relationships?

Andrew: [laughs] But there’s no contact. It’s just they’re both naked. There’s lots of movement but there’s no contact. He’s right over top of her. And then Dan realizes, “Oh my God, I like horses better” or something like that.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: No, don’t laugh! This is a serious play, I shouldn’t be laughing. He likes horses. I can’t remember, I’m sorry. I’ll tell you right now, my parents probably would not let me. They were weird with me just going in March. They were like, “why do you want to see that?” So that’s a hard thing to – I don’t know. It varies from parent to parent. If it was my kid, though, I would say sure. I mean, nothing actually happens. It’s not like, you know, an adult film or anything. They don’t treat it like that. It’s very mature take on it. Oh, and by the way, by the time you get to that scene – I think I mentioned this before – by the time you get to that scene, it doesn’t matter. You’re just like “Oh, he’s naked. Who cares?” You wait like two hours to get to that scene. It’s past the intermission; it’s towards the very end.

Laura: Well, yeah. I mean, I guess if you research the story a little bit and talked to your mom about it and tell her that’s it not just Dan running around on stage naked for four hours.

Andrew: Right, yeah. I think that’s one big part of it. People just assume, “Oh, he’s naked the whole time. It’s stupid.” It makes sense.

Micah: Maybe this is going back to what that e-mail was talking about before and just, I don’t know, maybe it’s something different in this country that we care more about that type of thing more than other countries. Here’s a perfect question for you, Andrew. When you went to see it, how many younger kinds were there that you would say were fifteen, sixteen years old? Were there a lot?

Andrew: No, I think it’s – it was mostly adults, I have to say. But that was a good two months after it started playing. So there weren’t many, but like I said on last week’s show, I really think that in New York City you’re going to get a younger crowd.

Micah: Oh, definitely. But is there also the possibility of maybe even them putting an age restriction on it? I mean, can they do that on Broadway?

Andrew: Well, I don’t know. But why? I mean, if you’re – it probably varies from play to play. I don’t know. It’s a tough decision. I think if you tell your parents exactly what happens and say, listen, I want to see this because I’m a fan of Dan and his work, you know…

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: Overall, though, I think it’s going to be hard when that play starts up on Broadway, because there’s going to be a lot of fan girls there, especially the first few shows.

Laura: Yeah. Like I was saying during the last show, just think about all the people who got together in New York for the reading, even though they weren’t going. So I’m just imagining there’s going to be Facebook groups of people who are planning to go to the exact same show. There’s going to be at least one night where it’s all fandom people.


Eric Joins the Show


Andrew: Yeah, definitely. Okay, well, let’s move along here. People – just real quick, there are a couple of people having stream problems, but I just turned the quality down more, so hopefully that fixes it. I should just disable the chat, because apparently it’s screwing up a lot of people’s feeds. But anyway, I guess we’ll move on to some calls now and take calls for the rest of the show, where we’ll talk to you guys about whatever you want Harry Potter, whether it’s theories, or news developments, or Dumbledore. Oh, guess who’s calling? Guess who’s giving me a ring-a-ding frickin’ ding? Eric, what’s up?

Eric: Hey, guys.

Andrew: Hey.

Eric: How’s it going?

Andrew: Hey, it’s 3:30. Way to be on time.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Yeah, no, it’s funny, because I’m logged into the chat now and I can hear myself talk. So I’m going to exit out of that window.

Andrew: This is a live program we’re doing. We’re live!

Eric: Okay, live to tape. All right, guys.

Andrew: Hey, live.

Eric: What’s going on? How’re you doing?

Andrew: Nothing. We were actually just going to start taking calls.

Eric: Sweet!

Andrew: Can I ask why you were late, though? This is unacceptable.

Eric: Yeah, it’s about 9:30 a.m., and I kind of had a big, late night last night, so…

Andrew: Ooh, out partying?

Laura: Ooh.

Eric: Yeah, yeah, I know, I know, I know. See, Uni’s out right now. So, I’ve been in Uni since sort of February, and [laughs] my exams are over, and I had to party.

Laura: Oh.

Eric: So, sorry, guys. Yup, yup, yup. But it’s a relief. I’m really relieved, and it was good fun. So, sorry, guys, but it is 9:30.

Andrew: It’s okay. It’s all right.

Eric: This time difference is killing me.

Andrew: [singing to the tune of “Good Morning Baltimore”] Good morning, New Zealand!

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Caller, you’re live on MuggleCast. What’s going on?


Call: Felix Felicius


Caller: Yes, I’m back on.

Andrew: Oh, hi, Mindy! I thought Skype went out for a second.

Caller: Hey, can you guys hear me?

Andrew: Yup. What’s going on?

Caller: Let me mute my feed.

Andrew: Thank you.

Caller: Well, I’m going to ask you a question I’ve been thinking about ever since I first read the book.

Andrew: Oh okay.

Caller: And – okay. You know in “The Phoenix Lament” in The Half-Blood Prince where Ginny tells Harry that if he hadn’t given them the Felix Felicis they wouldn’t have survived, because it seemed like all the spells were missing them? You know that part? Well, do you guys think that if they had dranken Felix Felicis right before they had gone in the flight, where in the chapter, “The Seven Potters,” do you think none of the people would have died?

Laura: Hmm. That’s interesting.

Andrew: Theoretically, yes, they wouldn’t have, right? [laughs]

Laura: Yeah.

Caller: Yeah, I mean – yeah, I just thought it was kind of stupid that didn’t happen. It just would have been logical.

Laura: Yeah, didn’t they – I can’t remember the specifics behind how long it takes to create the Felix Felicis, how long it takes to do it…

Caller: It’s not – I actually looked that up and it’s not in the books.

Laura: Okay.

Eric: But at the same time, Polyjuice itself takes very long time to get and that didn’t stop them long.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: You’ve got to brew it sort of under seven moons, and so then…

Caller: Yeah. Do you mind if I shout out to somebody?

Andrew: Sure.

Caller: Okay, I have a friend through the Harry Potter fandom, and her name is Bethany, and she’s at home crying because she doesn’t have a headset. She can’t call in. So…

Andrew and Laura: Aww.

Andrew: Crying? Don’t cry over us.

Caller: …I thought I’d shout out to her.

Andrew: Please don’t cry over us.

Caller: Yeah.

Andrew: [laughs] All right. Well, thank you for calling, Mindy.

Caller: Okay, thanks for taking my call.


Call: Not Eric From Dallas


Andrew: No problem. Hi, caller, you’re live on MuggleCast.

Caller: Andrew?

Andrew: Yeah, what’s up?

Caller: You’re – oh, wow, I just forgot – your Listener, Please Stop Listening this week came from Dallas, Texas, right?

Andrew: Umm…

Laura: Wait! Are you from Dallas? I see your area code.

Caller: I am just north of Dallas.

Laura: Okay, I…

Eric: [laughs] We see your area code.

Laura: No, I used to live in Dallas, and I saw your area code and I got really excited. Sorry.

Caller: Oh, no way.

Laura: Yeah. [laughs]

Caller: Anyway…

Andrew: Yeah, he was from Dallas, yeah. His name’s Eric. Are you Eric?

Caller: No.

Andrew: Okay, good. [laughs]

Eric: No, Andrew, I’m Eric. Can’t you get that right after one hundred…

Andrew: No, no, no. The e-mailer at the start of the show.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: So yeah, he was from Dallas.

Caller: Anyway, I just wanted to say please don’t judge Texas MuggleCasters by that guy.

Andrew: Oh, no! [laughs] He said he was kidding anyway.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: He was joking.

Andrew: Yeah, he was joking.

Caller: Oh, the stream keeps cutting out. I couldn’t hear that part.

Andrew: Sorry. When we release the show, probably later tonight, it won’t be cut out. We’re having some server problems on UStream I guess…

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: …because the show’s pretty popular! [laughs] So…

Caller: I guess that’s it!

Andrew: Okay, cool.

Caller: Pickles.

Andrew: Thanks for calling. Pickles! Bye!

Laura: Bye!


Call: Phil From Orange County


Andrew: [laughs] Pickles. Phil!

Caller: Quack!

Micah: Hey!

Andrew: [laughs] Micah started quack! What’s up, Phil?

Caller: Not much.

Andrew: Where you calling from?

Caller: Orange County, California.

Andrew: Nice, nice! Hey, I’m looking into living out there maybe in another year or so.

Caller: Cool, you can come over here.

Andrew: Yeah, do you got an apartment I could stay at?

Caller: Yeah, sure.

Andrew: Sweet, cool.

Caller: Do a live MuggleCast or something.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah, yeah! We’ll still be doing them then.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Hey, why not? What’s so funny about that, Eric?

Eric: No, broadcasting from the apartment.

Andrew: Oh. I guess that’s funny. What’s up, Phil?

Caller: I don’t know. I completely forgot about what I was going to say.

Andrew: [laughs] Well, how’s the weather today in Orange County?

Caller: Actually, it’s pretty good. It’s been cloudy for the last week and a half.

Andrew: Oh, nice.

Caller: Yeah.

Andrew: Neat.

Caller: Okay, help me out, chat. What should I say?

Andrew: Chat?

Caller: Yes, the UStream chat.

Andrew: Well, while you’re thinking up your question, let’s get another caller in here. Wesley.

Caller: Okay then.


Call: Podcast Inspired by MuggleCast


Andrew: Hey, Wesley.

Caller: Hey, guys.

Andrew: What’s up?

Caller: Not much.

Andrew: Where you calling from?

Caller: Arlington, Virginia.

Andrew: Arlington, Virginia! Okay! I got people all over the place here. What’s going on?

Caller: Sitting at home, kind of waiting for the day to happen, I guess.

Andrew: For the day to what?

Eric: Good words to live your live by.

Andrew: Oh, yeah. Well, you got a question or something you want us to address?

Caller: I don’t really have a question, but I just wanted to say that you guys really inspired me because I’m making a podcast. We’re going to record the first episode this weekend.

Andrew: Oh cool!

Laura: Cool!

Andrew: What’s it called? What do you talk about on it?

Caller: We don’t have a name, but we’re going to talk about music. It’s a bunch of my friends and we’re going to start it. It’s going to be fun.

Andrew: Sweet.

Caller: Yeah.


Back to Phil


Andrew: All right, cool! Phil, you got your question back?

Caller: Kind of.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay, what is it?

Caller: I don’t know if you heard, but a certain character is gay.

Andrew: Is gay? Yeah. You sound like Emerson.

Caller: Don’t know if you’ve heard about that.

Eric: God, that’s how every question starts out these days.

Andrew: Yep.

Caller: Okay, well, I think that was pretty much it.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay! Thanks for calling, Phil!

Caller: Thanks for having me on the show.

Andrew: No problem. See you. All right. Cool. So, Wesley…


And Back to Wesley


Caller: Yeah.

Andrew: …when are you releasing your podcast?

Caller: Depends when I get it edited. Probably Monday or Tuesday.

Andrew: Oh, okay. Cool.

Caller: But I was going to e-mail you guys the pilot episode.

Andrew: Oh awesome! Yeah, we’ll take a listen.

Caller: Thanks.

Laura: Definitely.

Andrew: Cool, cool. We’ll let you go and get some other callers in here.

Caller: Okay. See you guys later.


Call: MuggleCast Should Do A Tour of Europe


Andrew: See you! Okay. Let’s take some calls. People, call in if you’ve got a question, preferably about Harry Potter. Geez, so many people keep calling! Sorry, this is going to be another guy. Martin!

Caller: Oh! Hi!

Andrew: Hi! What’s going on?

Caller: Oh, I didn’t think I would come through. Oh yeah, I’m okay! And you? How are you doing?

Andrew: We’re doing good. Where you calling from?

Caller: From Germany. Bonn.

Andrew: Germany! Wow!

Eric: Awesome!

Caller: Yeah! Thanks for having the live podcast because I have to stay at home tonight, so I at least have something to listen to.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Laura: So what’s on your mind?

Caller: Well, I wanted to thank you for the very good discussion in MuggleCast 116. I think it was Eric’s idea to discuss Dumbledore and value his acting all through the series. And I really appreciated that because I’m still thinking about Dumbledore as a character, and I’m not quite sure what I have to think about him. It’s not about him being gay. That’s irrelevant. But I think you really did a good job on that.

Andrew: Oh, well good! Thank you. Yeah, that was a good discussion.

Eric: I really appreciated that. I thought that did turn out to be a pretty good show. So I really appreciate your thought there. Thank You.

Caller: Yeah, that’s what I wanted to say. And I also wanted to say you should really do a European tour.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: No, I agree. I completely agree. We should definitely go – and MuggleCast, we should have all seven of us holding up the Tower of Pisa in Italy.

Andrew: [laughs] Oh, god!

Eric: Also, Germany, you said. I was in Rutenberg. Rutenberg?

Caller: Yeah, Rutenberg, yeah.

Eric: Yeah. Yeah, good fun.

Caller: Very Medieval town.

Eric: Yeah, they’ve got the wall and…

Caller: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Eric: …the priests have helped rebuild it.

Caller: Yeah, yeah.

Eric: Yeah, it’s really an awesome town. And they have a very cool – very nice chess set from there.

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: Really? Yeah, I’ve been there a few years ago, so it’s quite nice if you like Medieval towns. And if you’re doing a European tour, grab Alex Carpenter and get him over here so we might see a decent Wizard Rock show.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Oh! A decent Wizard Rock show. Okay.

Eric: [laughs] Alex Carpenter. We have to call Alex up.

Andrew: Yeah, that would be fun. That would be a lot of fun and also cost a lot of money.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Shout out to my German buddy, Timo Neals, over there. Martin, I’ve got a friend over there who was a German exchange student. His name’s Timo. [in German accent] Timo Neals.

Caller: Where is he from?

Andrew: Where’s he from? Schwasbach. Does that ring a bell?

Caller: I have no idea.

Andrew: Schwasbach? I don’t know. I could send you his MySpace URL or something. [laughs] So, all right, cool. Well, thanks for calling, Martin. Glad to hear you enjoyed that discussion.

Caller: Yeah, thank you. Good luck with the live podcast.

Andrew: Thank you, thank you. See you later.

Laura: Thanks for calling.

Eric: Thanks a lot, man. Bye.

Andrew: I like when foreigners call.

Laura: He looks cool.

Andrew: Yeah, he sounds a little bit like Borat.

Laura: Yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: No, Kazakhstani and German are not the same.

MuggleCast 119 Transcript (continued)


Call: Andrew Should Go To Michigan


Andrew: Yeah. Well, it’s the accent. It was just the accent. Sierra, what is up?

Caller: Hi. Not much.

Andrew: [singing] “My name is Sierra.” Is that how that song goes or is it…?

Caller: It goes: “Sierra, this beat is…” It’s – I get teased for it a lot at school and with my friends.

Andrew: Oh, okay. [laughs]

Laura: Aww!

Eric: So, you didn’t really make her day any better, Andrew.

Andrew: Sorry.

Caller: No, you made my day better just by accepting my call, I’ll tell you that.

Andrew: Okay. Good. So, what’s going on?

Caller: Not much. I’ve just been calling and trying to get on, that’s cool.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Caller: I want to ask you guys, especially you, Andrew. I saw your little road trip thing with your friends.

Andrew: Uh-huh.

Caller: And how come you’re not coming to Michigan?

Andrew: Sims and Friends is planning a tour that is going across the southern United States. Because Sims and Friends feel that the southern route to New Jersey would be a much better tour.

Caller: See, because I have friends on there who are like, “We’ll drive to go and then we’ll call you.” But I don’t live anywhere near there! I was really sad.

Andrew: Oh, sorry. Maybe Sims and Friends 2 next year.

Caller: Really, you should come to Michigan.

Andrew: Okay. [laughs]

Laura: I don’t [unintelligible]. What is…?

Andrew: Sims and Friends is something Mason, Matt and I are doing. We’re planning a little road trip after Vegas.

Laura: Oh, very nice.

Andrew: Yeah. So, yeah. MySpace.com/SimsandFriends. [laughs] That’s interesting. That’s Mason’s brainchild. All right, thank you.

Caller: Can I give a shout out really quick?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Caller: To Gack, to all of the vultures…

Andrew: Gack.

Caller: …I’m talking to them in our Meebo chat right now, and you’re all like “Sierra, you’re on!”

Andrew: [in girly voice] Yay! Wake up!

Caller: Especially to my friends Lindsay and Skye and Vivian. And to my friend Minnie. That’s about it.

Andrew: Awesome. All right, well, thank you for calling.

Caller: Thanks. Love you guys.

Andrew: Thanks, bye.

Caller: Especially you, Andrew!

Andrew: [in girly voice] Oh my god! Thank you!

Caller: Bye.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: By the way, before we get to the next caller, I’m looking for an Emily Sweeney. If there’s an Emily Sweeney in the audience, could you please private message me on UStream? I need to have a word with you. Let’s take another caller now.

Eric: Oh, no.

Laura: That sounds serious.


Call: The Map of Hogwarts


Andrew: Yeah. Elizabeth. No, that didn’t work. [singing] Let’s get another caller!

Eric: Well, if we’re doing shout outs…

Andrew: There we go.

Eric: Oh, there we go.

Caller: Hello.

Andrew: Hi.

Caller: Hi.

Andrew: How are you doing?

Caller: I’m good. I’m from Sydney, by the way.

Andrew: Ooh, man!

Eric: [laughs] How’s it going, Elizabeth?

Caller: I’m really good. Hi, I met you at the live show in Sydney, actually.

Eric: Yeah, I know.

Caller: Yeah, okay. [laughs]

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Did you – did you like the show?

Caller: Yeah, it was pretty good. I had a lot of fun. I met some really cool people.

Eric: Yeah, that’s what it’s all about, meeting people.

Andrew: Exactly, yeah. What’s going on today? What’s on your mind?

Caller: Not much. I just got to do some work today. It’s 7AM the morning.

Andrew: Ooh.

Caller: I just had a question. Do people not realize that we actually have an official, sort of map of Hogwarts? It’s pretty much complete and official by J.K. Rowling.

Andrew: Where…

Laura: Oh…

Andrew: Where can you get this?

Caller: Order of the Phoenix video game map, because apparently Jo pretty much gave them a map and then…

Eric: Oh, you…

Caller: In my game I actually got a copy of the map.

Eric: But I wouldn’t subscribe too much to that because all the space of Hogwarts in the game is used. All of it is – the only reason the Hall exists is because you’ve got to go through it. I would not consider that at all to be the official Hogwarts map. At least the one on PS2. I don’t know if it’s different in any of the other versions. But I would hardly consider that because – and you can tell when you’re doing it, when you’re playing the game, that it’s not – it’s stripped down to the bare essentials of what they needed for the game. It’s – that’s why I didn’t like it as a free-roaming game. It doesn’t really have any extra places you can go, such as Hogwarts wood.

Caller: I don’t know, I have the PS2 version and it seems pretty much complete. They seem to have everything like Stone Circle and Hagrid’s Hut and pretty much everything seems to be there.

Eric: Well, they’ve got everything, but is that enough, do you think?

Andrew: Yeah. Well…

Eric: Like they’ve simply taken everything ever mentioned in the books, placed it sort of in a strict, straight line, and – do you know what I mean?

Caller: I heard that J.K. Rowling actually gave them blueprint maps and stuff.

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: And she added in random rooms and stuff.

Andrew: Yeah, EA did put a lot of work – EA London. It was their London, England – what do you call it? Chapter?

Eric: You guys went there, didn’t you?

Andrew: Yeah, Jamie and I went there.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: They did put a lot, lot, lot, lot, lot of work into the detail and accuracy of the show. Or, sorry, this video game. And I think, while it’s accurate, I think what they may have done was first send J.K. Rowling their idea and then J.K. Rowling sent it back with any problems. Because that’s what Warner Bros. does with the movies and I think it works the same way with EA.

Caller: No, that makes sense.

Andrew: Now, with your video game, did you say it came with an actual, physical map?

Caller: Yeah, in the sleeve part. It’s pretty big, as well.

Andrew: Really?

Caller: And it’s got all the diagrams, and it’s got all the floors…

Andrew: Oh, wow, that’s…

Caller: …and stuff.

Andrew: Maybe – maybe you could scan that or take a picture of it and show it to us? Because I don’t know if anyone’s ever seen that before.

Laura: Yeah…

Andrew: Maybe that’s only in the Australian copies of the game. Because I have…

Eric: You…

Andrew:Order of the Phoenix and mine didn’t come with a map. I don’t think. I’m going to check.

Eric: Well, if you’ve – it’s – yeah, it’ll probably be – well, it’s not DVD, but I was going to say, if it’s a region thing I could probably get a copy or two of the Australian PC edition.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, just buy it. At your local Wal-Mart. Okay, well, cool, thank you for calling in with that information.

Caller: Yeah, that’s cool. I’ll scan the stuff in to you.

Andrew: Okay, yeah. Cool, great. Thank you so much.

Eric: Yeah, it was great to see you in Sydney. Thanks for coming out, by the way.

Caller: Oh, no problem.

Andrew: All right, bye.

Caller: Bye!

Andrew: Let’s see here. Still looking for an Emily Sweeney.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I really need to talk to her.

Eric: So she’s not at your beckoned call? We’ve established that?


Call: Terminus


Andrew: Yeah. Debbie Kim?

Caller: Hello?

Andrew: Hello!

Caller: Hello!

Andrew: How’re you doing?

Caller: Hi. Good, but I feel like I have to say this because I’m in the UStream chat right now, and they’re all complaining because it’s skipping a lot.

Andrew: I don’t know what to do about that because I’ve already turned that quality down as much as I can.

Caller: It’s like long gaps, kind of.

Andrew: Okay, I’m turning the – well, that says volume.

Laura: The only thing I can think of is that people won’t stop typing. Like, they just keep going…

Caller: Yeah.

Laura: …and going, and going.

Caller: They keep saying pointless things. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, stop typing for no reason if it’s…

Caller: Sorry.

Andrew: …bothering you.

Eric: Typing…

Caller: It’s like you guys say something funny, they’re like “LOL” a million times.

Laura: Yeah, stop – I’m looking at it right now and they’re all arguing about whether or not Emma Watson’s pretty, so it’s like – let’s just stop.

Eric: Is that argument still going on?

Laura: Do you really want to hear it?

[Caller laughs]

Laura: Apparently.

Eric: Didn’t Ben settle that in Episode 13? “Yes.” [laughs] When Billy Joe called in and asked if Emma Watson was pretty and Ben settled it; he said definitively, “Yes.”

Andrew: Billy Joe! All right, I just – woops, woops, woops, woops – I just disabled the chat, but I don’t know if people are still going to be able to…

Caller: People are still – they’re still kind of all spamming and stuff.

Eric: Well, they can do that in AIM, you know what I’m saying? Go to another – like, don’t…

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: …use UStream for its live capabilities. Don’t overrun the chat.

Andrew: Yeah, I don’t see the chat now, so any new people who come in won’t see the chat, so…

Caller: Oh, okay.

Andrew: Maybe that’ll help a little bit.

Caller: And I was wondering, I know PotterCast is going to be at Terminus. Is there any chance any of you are going?

Eric: Do we have to clear this up, guys?

Micah: Oh, Andrew.

Andrew: [laughs] What?

Micah: We talked about that, didn’t we?

Andrew: Yeah, we have talked about this on the show. I think we have a couple – I know at least once we did. But I’ve been talking to – not really. I sent a few e-mails back and forth between me – well, us and Terminus. They don’t want us to do a live show there, because apparently we don’t fit their demographic and they’re looking for a variety of podcasts. And apparently the first podcast and also the most popular podcast isn’t in their general – what they want, which makes perfect sense. So… [laughs]

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: …one idea is to – I almost called it Celda – Collasma told me that there is a Borders literally a couple blocks away. So… [laughs] …what we’re thinking is to do – now, of course, easier said than done. We’ve got to fly everyone out there – would be to do a live podcast at that Borders…

Caller: Yeah.

Andrew: …during the conference. And essentially, what we would hope to do, was move everyone from Terminus [laughs] over to this bookstore.

[Caller laughs]

Andrew: But maybe give Terminus the idea of, you know, hey, you know…

Caller: Well, there was a Facebook group for a MuggleCast fans meet-up and…

Andrew: Yeah, I saw that.

Caller: …they were e-mailing Terminus like crazy. And they were like, yeah, I’m a fan of MuggleCast too but we’re all planned up and…

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: It’s just…

Eric: Yeah.

Caller: …not…

Andrew: To be completely honest with you, I am not very – I don’t believe all the stuff that they’ve been telling us. I think there’s more to it than just, oh, you know…

Eric: What it is, guys – no, it’s true. When they say we don’t fit their demographic, it means they don’t care about, sort of, what we bring to the table. That’s actually the bottom line, in my opinion. They don’t care about who we bring to the con. Their focus is sort of an older audience than what they perceive ours to be – is, I think, the – in between the lines, they really don’t care about all of our listeners who are putting our money or their money into going to Terminus and having a great time. Everybody seems to be going to Terminus as opposed to Portus. I think we should do an event at Portus.

Andrew: [laughs] Well…

Caller: Well, I’m not going to Portus, so… [laughs]

Andrew: And…

Eric: Oh, nobody is! Nobody is! But Terminus, apparently – I don’t want to say they don’t care about our fans because that’s probably illegal. But I’m just going to say, I don’t – I’ve gotten the impression that they care a lot more about an audience that isn’t ours.

Laura: Well, here’s the question.

Andrew: I think – I think that’s accurate, yeah.

Caller: Well, on the site, it’s like – it says it’s really serious and they won’t – they have an age limit and…

Andrew: Yeah, well, there’s that. But, okay, I’m just going to go out there and say that right now. The stuff they’ve been telling – like, the age thing. It’s kind of annoying. [sighs] The same people, the same demographic of people listen to every Harry Potter podcast. I don’t care what you say. If you compare demographics to every…

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: …against every Harry Potter podcast, they are all the same. They’re the same percentage-wise. Not number-wise, percentage-wise. I can guarantee this. I know this for a fact, okay? Terminus is…

Eric: Andrew is on fire.

Andrew: …P.O.-ing me off, and it’s really bothering me. And we need to stop talking.

Eric: Well, and fair enough, Andrew. And I mean…

Laura: Was…

Eric: …the thing is the fandom. I mean, the fandom as a whole. Kids and kids and kids and kids are getting into the books. And this is also the adult, Harry-Draco shippers. You know? [laughs] I mean…

Andrew: Yeah. That’s…

Eric: …you’re only going to let a…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …little percentage in, don’t expect it to be the coolest thing since last [unintelligible] but they are. Every kid wants to go to Terminus. And it’s just a little bit contradictory.

Andrew: Umm…

Micah: It is because Terminus is discriminating and the books teach us we shouldn’t discriminate. [laughs]

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: Exactly.

Andrew: Exactly.

Eric: They don’t like you.

Andrew: I’m writing in a letter…

Laura: E-mail Terminus.

Andrew: …to Jo.

Caller: Yeah, I’ll e-mail them that and – well, I think some of you should, at least, still go. Just…

Andrew: Well, see, here’s the thing. If we go, then we’re promoting them. And we don’t want to promote them if we don’t want them there – if they don’t…

Eric: Exactly.

Andrew: …want us there. And I’m not trying to come off arrogant by saying we’re promoting them, but if we say on the show we’re going to Terminus, that’s going to send some of our listeners to Terminus.

Laura: Well…

Caller: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: Do you remember whenever we even suggested going to Lumos and within a few days, Lumos’ registration had shot up…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yes.

Laura: …exceedingly high? So, I just – I feel like it’s kind of insulting and at one point, didn’t you – didn’t one of the e-mails suggest that we could do interviews with attendees if we wanted to?

Andrew: Well…

Laura: I was, like – they said something along the lines of, oh, well, if you want to come, and stand around and interview attendees, that’s fine.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: And I was, like, okay.

Andrew: What particularly bugged me – and I didn’t really plan on going out there with this – but in one of the e-mails from Terminus, they said that they weren’t sure if their college-level programming would interest our listeners. I’m like, what? Are you calling them stupid? College-level…

Eric: No.

Andrew:Harry Potter programming?

Eric: They’re calling them booze towns and followers, Andrew. Not…

Andrew: I guess so.

Eric: …like, you know…

Andrew: So…

Eric: That’s the whole deal.

Andrew: …apparently, none of you guys would be interested in their college-level program, despite the fact that our second highest demographic range is the college – the 18 to 24 year olds, which is…

Eric: Hell, yeah. The…

Andrew: …college students.

Eric: …people who are broadcasting the shows, yeah.

Andrew: Now I’m worked up. Now I’m worked up.

Caller: Sorry.

Andrew: No, it’s okay.

Caller: Sorry for bringing it up. I’m sorry.

Andrew: No, no, no, don’t be sorry.

Eric: But, guys, I would – I do want to say here on this live show still, check out – I mean, I know that there’s a few MuggleCasters who might be in talks to possibly do something at Portus, and I know that there were some issues with doing a thing at Prophecy, but I think a majority of those were working to get them reconciled. And anybody who hasn’t already put hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of dollars into Terminus, try and look at possibly going to Portus. I’m just saying that now. There’s nothing definitive, I can’t say we’re doing it, but I’d like to work with people and reconcile what happened at Prophecy.

Andrew: But they don’t want to work with us so that’s the thing. So…

Laura: Well…

Eric: Well, and that’s not the current status, Andrew.

Andrew: Yes, it is.

Laura: That’s only because our moves are too awesome for the dance floor. Especially Jamie’s.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Especially Jamie’s.

Andrew: Oh right, yeah.

Caller: Well, if – if you guys really wanted to, you guys could start something at Boston. Because I used to spam – well, not really – I used to do on the Pickle Pack comments, “come to Boston” every single…

Andrew: Well, yeah, Boston would be a fun place to go because we get a lot of requests for up there, but how about this plan? How about we find out when PotterCast is doing their live show, we start ours fifteen minutes before theirs starts, then we’ll see who wins, who gets more people attending their live show.

Caller: What? That’d be so – how could I like run to both?

[Andrew laughs]

Caller: Do a LeakyMug.

Eric: You’re going to make her brain explode, Andrew.

Andrew: I’m just kidding. I’m just kidding.

Eric: Unfortunately, I think it’s a little bit flawed, because to pay cab fare to get to Borders or not to pay cab fare to get to Borders…

Andrew: Well it’s literally – people can walk there in like five minutes, I think.

Eric: Oh.

Andrew: It’s really close. But no, we’re not going to do that, I was completely kidding. [laughs]

Caller: I’d be like running back and forth in the middle of it.

Andrew: Are you kidding? Do you know what would happen to us if we did that? [laughs]

Laura: Uhh…

Andrew: We’d be destroyed by listeners of PotterCast and PotterCast.

Caller: And, Laura?

Laura: Mhm?

Caller: Fall Out Boy doesn’t all sound the same. Sorry. [laughs]

Laura: Yes, they do! Oh my gosh.

Caller: No they don’t!

Laura: Every single one of their songs sound exactly the same.

Caller: Yeah, but their singles – on their album tracks, there’s like different ones.

Laura: No, they all sound the same.

Caller: No they don’t.

Andrew: All right, well, let’s move along now, because…

Caller: Oh, wait, and can I…

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: …do a shout out to Spot? There’s only about three people in there though.

Andrew: Hi, Spot. Okay.

Caller: Thank you…

Andrew: Bye!

Caller: …for taking my call.

Laura: All right, bye!

Andrew: No problem. Thanks for – in all seriousness, thanks for bringing that up, because I was looking for an excuse to do that. Maybe Portus will hear this. I imagine some people will be listening over at Portus.

Caller: I didn’t really want to bring up Dumbledore is gay, or anything else, so…

Andrew: Oh okay. Yeah, good, good.

Eric: Well, you just did, too late.

Caller: We’re not talking about that, so…

Eric: Wait, Dumbledore is what?

Andrew: All right, thank you for calling, Debbie.

Caller: Okay, thank you.

Andrew: Bye.

Eric: Dumbledore…

Caller: Bye.


Call: More on Terminus


Andrew: Hi, Rachel.

Caller: Hey.

Andrew: How’re you doing?

Caller: Let me mute my stream.

Andrew: Okay, thank you.

Caller: Oh, well, I actually – on the note of Terminus, I couldn’t hear everything you were saying because it was skipping, but I e-mailed them a couple of weeks ago when I heard that you guys weren’t being invited because I was really upset, because I live in Chicago and I haven’t been able to go to any of these big conferences, and I talked to them, and she told me she was very happy that I was so supportive but, no, they didn’t want you guys. And…

Andrew: Oh, wait a second, wait a second, wait a second. They said they didn’t want us? Or did they say something else?

Caller: No, no, they said they had a very limited number of spaces available and that you were unfortunately not chosen.

Andrew: Yeah, I’m still not convinced. I mean, I don’t want to say I’m arrogant, but listen. We do every other thing – what – I just…

Eric: Our reputation precedes us, Andrew. Our popularity…

Andrew: Why should it even be a problem? I mean, it’s Harry Potter. Come on, it’s a Harry Potter fandom. Why should there be this negativity towards podcasts and people. Like I just don’t get it, it’s so stupid. [sighs]

Eric: Maybe because we’re expensive to clean up after.

Andrew: [laughs] What!?

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Okay, wait a second, wait a second.

Eric: Just throwing it out there. Just throwing it out there.

Andrew: Nobody made a mess. What are you talking about?

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Seriously, what are you…

Eric: It’s a joke. I’m not defending Terminus.

Andrew: Don’t go spreading rumors. People are going to think that, like…

Eric: No, no, I’m not defending Terminus, Andrew. I’m not, by any means. I say we shouldn’t go to Terminus, and I say anybody who does is clearly letting them just discriminate against you.

Caller: Well…

Andrew: Go ahead.

Caller: …I would very much appreciate if you guys still did something in Chicago, maybe the week of or something? Because I know there are so many people coming to Terminus. Even if you’re not at the actual event, if you’re in like in a Borders in Chicago…

Andrew: Sorry, say that again? You cut out. If you were in a Borders in Chicago…

Caller: It would completely fill that week. Even if you weren’t at the actual event. If you were there in that week, you would get a crazy event.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, I think you’re right.

Andrew: Yeah, definitely.

Eric: I think you’re definitely right that the fans who’ve already put their money into it and registered can’t back out and that might be a lot of our listeners who didn’t realize they were being slapped in the face until we said it here.

Andrew: Yeah. Well – yeah. All right, well, thank you for – thank you for that, Rachel. Thank you for letting us know about that.

Caller: Sure, thanks for taking my call.

Andrew: No problem, see you.

Eric: Cheers.

Laura: Bye bye.

Andrew: You know, it’s something we really shouldn’t be talking about on the show, but it’s gotten to the point now where it’s just like… [sighs and laughs]

Micah: We talked about it earlier in the week, I know, because I had asked you what plans were in the summer. “Hey, are we going to be doing any events?” And you said, “Oh, well, we have this whole situation with Terminus.”


Call: Craziest MuggleCast Fan Moment


Andrew: Yeah, yeah. Hi, Rebecca.

Caller: Hi.

Andrew: How you doing?

Caller: Pretty good. Let me mute my stream.

Andrew: Okay. All these smart callers…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: They know what to do.

Caller: Just – okay, there we go. [pauses] Are you there?

Andrew: Yep, we’re here. How’s it going?

Caller: Okay.

Andrew: What’s on your mind?

Caller: Well, I had a question, but now I forgot, because I didn’t think I was going to get through.

[Andrew and Rebecca laugh]

Caller: Well, let’s see. Oh yeah. What is the craziest thing that you’ve ever had a MuggleCast fan do to you?

Andrew: Do to…

Caller: Like…

[Andrew laughs]

Caller: Yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: I’ve signed some pretty odd body parts. What about you guys?

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Well, yeah, besides that, I think the weirdest request was to sign a girl’s chest.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Especially since that was right in front of my mom, so I felt kind of awkward.

Caller: That is pretty hilarious, I have to admit.

Andrew: [laughs] Any other weird things, guys?

Laura: I can’t say – well, seeing as something like 70% of our base is female, I’ve never been asked to sign chests.

[Micah laughs]

Laura: Thank God. But no, I’ve never really had anything sort of out of the ordinary.

Andrew: Laura, will you sign my chest?

Laura: Sure, Andrew. Sure.

Andrew: Yes!

Laura: I’ll do that.

Andrew: Yes!

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Laura: What about you, Micah?

Micah: I don’t – I don’t know, now that I think about it. Maybe doing the chipmunk voice in…

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Micah: …where were we? Enlightening?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. I think it was there.

Micah: I mean, it was a little weird. I mean…

Andrew: [laughs] It’s a funny voice. I guess chipmunk voice is very funny.

Laura: He quacks, too.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Craziest thing a fan has done. Hmm. I don’t know.

Caller: Come on. You have to have crazy things done to you all the time, Eric.

[Eric laughs]

Laura: He does do crazy things all the time. He doesn’t…

Eric: Yeah, I do crazy things. It kind of balances it out.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: It’s an equilibrium, really.

Caller: Right. Just say it. Say it. Brian, shut up.

Andrew: Ooh. Hey!

Laura: Wow. I don’t think that’s…

Eric: Actually, no. Maybe this live show is the time to sort of – okay, okay, just a quick anecdote thing. I think it was the first New York podcast – the first one we did – and there was a girl that was really excited and really wanted me to sign above her collarbone, or actually just below the collarbone. Anyway, and I was like – I was really nervous and stuff, and I was like, “Okay, you know, I really don’t want to do this,” and she’s like, “Oh, come on!” And she had a friend there, a male friend with a camera. And I said, “Well, okay. But just because it’s sort of the cliche of signing fan girls.” You know, bums and other body parts. I said, “Okay, I’ll do it. But you…” and I pointed to guy and said, “You’re going to have to take a picture, right? And we’ll make it like a…” – you know how I do those photos where it’s just, “Oh my God, look at me doing this!” Well, I wanted one of those photos, and I said, “So I’ll do it, but you got to take it and make sure you send it to me.” And he’s like, “Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool. cool, cool.” So I did it, and I signed the soft part right below her collarbone. And then the guy took the picture and I never saw them again. So that picture is probably worth a lot of money, floating around the Internet, and I’d really like to see it. So, guy, if you’re out there who took that picture of your friend and me signing the soft part right below her collarbone…

[Laura laughs]

Eric: …just please send that to ericlmugglenet – well, anyway, our feedback form. That – thanks.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay. All right.

Eric: Yeah, that was pretty crazy.

Caller: Oh, and I have a shout out.

Andrew: All right.

Caller: Sorry.

Andrew: Go ahead.

Caller: I just wanted to say hi to Megan, a.k.a. Boris, because she’s really cool and she’s the one who told me about MuggleCast.

Andrew: Oh, awesome.

Caller: So yeah.

Andrew: We love referrals.

Micah: Did you say Megan a.k.a. Boris?

Caller: Well, I call her Boris. I don’t know, I just do. But yeah.

Andrew: Oh okay. All right, well, thank you for calling today.

Caller: Yep, thanks for taking me.


Call: Juggling MuggleCast and College


Andrew: No problem. Bye. Hello?!

Caller: Hi!

Andrew: Hi! You’re on MuggleCast!

Caller: Hold on. Let me mute this. Okay.

Andrew: Okay. How you doing?

Caller: I’m actually a little sick, but I’m…

Andrew: Aww.

Caller: …doing okay.

Andrew: Laura was sick this morning.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: She almost couldn’t do the show.

Laura: Yeah.

Caller: Yeah. It’s really cold.

Laura: It is cold.

Caller: It’s really cold here. Yeah. Well, my name’s Elizabeth and I’m 18 in Orlando, Florida.

Andrew: Awesome.

Caller: And I just have to say that I absolutely love your show. I love all of you and I just – I’m – I’m sorry.

[Andrew and Elizabeth laugh]

Andrew: That’s okay.

Caller: I’m just – I’ve been trying to call for like a whole hour. I just want to say that, since I’m home sick, I got really excited when I noticed that you guys did a live show, because I wasn’t able to listen to all your other live shows.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Caller: And I really, really – I like your show, and when I’m at work and stuff like that, I always listen in, and it’s always a good source of information.

Andrew: Awesome. Thank you so much.

Caller: Yeah, and I just wanted to say one more thing. I wanted to say that I understand where you guys are coming from about being in college and stuff like that, and trying work around the whole Harry Potter thing, because I just started my freshman year of college too, so I know exactly what you mean when it’s hard to get together. So I’m just glad that you guys take the time to still do the show, even if you can’t do it all the time and people get upset, I understand.

Andrew: Well, thank you.

Caller: So I’m just really glad that you’re able to do it, and thanks for answering my call.

Andrew: No problem. Yeah, I mean, college has been not – honestly, I thought it would be more difficult than it is, in terms of planning the show, with all of us in college now, except for Micah. It hasn’t been too bad…

Eric: And Eric.

Andrew: And Eric. Why? No, you’ve still been on.

Eric: No, I’ve been on.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah. Is what I meant.

Andrew: Yeah. So thank you for all that. We’re doing pretty well. The only thing we lose when we get back to school season is Jamie. [laughs] That’s not a big deal.

Caller: Which really sucks, because Jamie’s really cool too. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Eric: We think so too.

Andrew: All right.

[Elizabeth laughs]

Andrew: Thank you for very much for calling.

Laura: Have fun in Orlando.

Andrew: Bye. Yeah, have fun in Orlando.

Caller: Bye.


Call: Choosing Your Own House


Andrew: Let’s see here. By the way, if anyone’s wondering why we don’t answer your call, we get bombarded with calls. Here’s another one now. Caller, you there? Hello, caller, are you there?

Caller: Hello.

Andrew: Hey, what’s up?

Caller: Thanks for picking up.

Andrew: Yeah, no problem. Yeah, it’s hard, as I was just saying. We get bombarded by calls so it’s hard to get to everyone. What’s going on?

Caller: Not much. I was just wanting to tell you you’re doing a good job.

Andrew: Thank you.

Laura: Thank you.

Andrew: Where are you calling from? England?

Caller: England, yeah. In Liverpool.

Andrew: Oh, awesome.

Caller: I don’t know of anyone else in Liverpool who listens to MuggleCast.

Andrew: Oh. [laughs] I’m sure there are a few people. I think we’ve seen a couple e-mails from people in Liverpool.

Caller: Yeah.

Eric: Aren’t the Blacks from Liverpool? Where are they from?

Caller: I’m not sure.

Eric: Nevermind, okay. [laughs]

Caller: I actually have a question. What I was going to ask is, do you think that you could actually tell the Sorting Hat which House you wanted to be in? It [unintelligible] Harry, but I was wondering if that is what most people could do.

Eric: If you can choose your own House?

Caller: Yeah, because it seems [unintelligible].

Laura: I think – I mean, I think you definitely can, but I think the difference between what Harry did and what happened with everyone else is that maybe most people don’t realize that you can ask.

Caller: Right.

Laura: Because it seems like I remember Hermione saying the Hat almost considered putting her in Ravenclaw, so I don’t know if she asked to get put in Gryffindor or if it just decided that her bravery kind of overrode her intelligence maybe? But I think I would just attribute it to not everybody knowing that they can ask.

Caller: Oh yeah. Also, I just wanted to finally say that when you released the twelve-hour episode, which I thought was great by the way, it took me a month to listen to. It was crazy.

Andrew: Wow. [laughs]

Caller: I didn’t have that much stuff to do, but it basically took me a month.

Andrew: [laughs] We’ve gotten a couple of e-mails from that – from people saying it took them a really long time to listen. It was quite a feat; it was quite a feat.

Caller: Yeah, it was great though.

Andrew: Cool. Well, I’m glad you enjoyed it.

Caller: Okay, well…

Andrew: Thanks for calling.

Caller: Yeah, thanks for taking me.

Andrew: No problem. See you later.

Caller: Bye.

MuggleCast 119 Transcript (continued)


Age Limit at Equus


Andrew: Let’s take another caller now. Let’s see here. How about Stacy? Hello, Stacy.

Caller: Hi!

Andrew: Hey, how’re you doing?

Eric: Oh my gosh, Stacy!

Laura: Hi.

Caller: I’ve tried to call in so much. I’m really glad you guys had this today because it’s my birthday today.

Andrew: Oh cool. Happy Birthday!

Laura: Happy Birthday!

Andrew: One, two, three.

[MuggleCasters sing a terrible “Happy Birthday” to Stacy]

Andrew: Everyone signing on to UStream just now heard us singing a horrible rendition of “Happy Birthday.” I’m sorry to everyone in the Ustream right now.

Eric: Now, Stacy, you’re 23 today? 23 years old?

Caller: Yeah, 23 today.

Andrew: Awesome. [laughs] Well, congrats! What are you doing for your birthday? Besides listening to us.

Caller: Well, I’m at home from school. I’m in my last term of college so that’s exciting, but yeah, I’m just hanging out with my family. That’s basically all.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Caller: It’s fun.

Laura: That’s nice.

Caller: Yeah, it’s great. You guys talked about – I know you got the e-mail earlier from the girl that talked about Equus, but I would wondering, do you think they’re going to even let minors in to go see the movie – like the play at all? Because here in the U.S. they’re so stickly about stuff like that.

Andrew: Yeah…

Caller: Do you think they are even going to allow minors to go in?

Andrew: Well, they didn’t stop anyone in England, I don’t think. There may have been an age limit. I guess we should look into that to see if there was an age limit. I mean, obviously it wasn’t a problem for Jamie and I.

Caller: Well, yeah, I was thinking like in England they’re not – like with TV shows they’re not – they don’t censor things like we do. So I’m wondering – it may be different in England than it is here.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. Well…

Micah: I don’t know that Broadway can do that. I mean, I know that they – actually, it was funny. At work the other day they were talking about some shows on Broadway; in particular, some of the Disney ones, that have put restrictions, like you can’t bring in kids under a certain age. And I don’t know if that’s just because they are generally too young, like maybe three or four year olds, or if the limit was a little bit higher. But I think for something like this, do we know – is it definitely main stream Broadway or is there going to be like an Off-Broadway show in a theater where you may not have to worry about that kind of stuff as much?

Caller: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: I wasn’t sure. Like, I was just thinking about when you were talking about it last week. I’m like, are they even going allow them? But I don’t know how they would tell unless they checked I.D. or something.

Andrew: Yeah. Maybe there will be a rule that’s like 14 or under are admitted or something like that.

Caller: Yeah.

Andrew: I mean, either way, they’re still going to get fan girls that I think may take it a little immature.

Caller: Yeah.

Andrew: Or may be a little immature.

Micah: Well then, how are you going to check? I mean…

Andrew and Laura: Yeah.

Micah: I mean, realistically, most people that age don’t have some sort of identification.

Caller: It’s true.

Micah: They may look older than they actually are.

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: Yeah.

Andrew: Well, we’ll see what happens. Thank you for calling, Stacy.

Caller: Can I give a shout out real quick?

Andrew: Sure.

Caller: Well, I share a birthday with one of my fellow Vultures, so I want to say Happy Birthday, Abby, and hi to all of my Vultures. I love them. Gak!

Andrew: You live in Bedford?

Caller: Bedford, Oregon, yes! Bedford, Oregon.

[Andrew and Stacy laugh]

Andrew: Yeah, I’m stalking your Facebook – or sorry – Skype profile.

Caller: Yeah, it’s okay to stalk, right? [laughs] Well, thank you for taking my call.

Andrew: No problem. Thanks for calling.

Caller: You made my birthday!

Andrew: Oh good! We’re glad.

Laura: Happy Birthday!

Andrew: Yeah, Happy Birthday!

Caller: Thank you, bye!

Andrew: Bye! Okay, let’s take some…

Eric: This reminds me.

Andrew: What?

Eric: I got to do a shout out.

Micah: Did we know it was her birthday? Didn’t we sing to her?

Andrew: Huh?

Laura: What?

Micah: Forget it.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: No, I know somebody…

Laura: No, I wanted to wish her a Happy Birthday one last time. I was being nice, Micah. God.

Andrew: Yeah, geez.

Eric: I said Happy Birthday on her wall too. Anyway…


Call: Pronunciation of “Notre Dame”


Andrew: Hello, listener, you’re live on MuggleCast. Oh, sorry.

Caller: Oh wow! Wow, I didn’t expect to get through.

Andrew: Hey!

Caller: Wow, okay.

[Andrew laughs]

Caller: I should have had a question prepared.

Andrew: [laughs] Nobody does; it’s amazing.

Caller: Yeah, well, I just wanted to say, because of MuggleCast, I now pronounce it Notre Dame [pronounces like “Noter-Dame”], and it’s really bad.

Andrew: Sorry, say that again?

Caller: I say “Notre Dame” [pronounces like “Noter-Dame” instead of “Notre Dame” [pronounces like “Notra-Dahm”] and then people in my French class give me funny looks because it’s “Oooh, oooh, American, oooh, oooh.”

Eric: “Ooo, Notre Dame.” No, I say Notre Dame all the time.

Caller: Yeah, but you’re American.

Eric: Well, should I say it with a French intonation?

Andrew: That’s how we say it over here.

Caller: Yeah, but I’m in Australia so people give you weird looks.

Eric: Ah.

Laura: Aww.

Eric: Well, I’ve been to Notre Dame in France and I think that it would be a travesty, and absolute travesty, to call the school in Indiana – it is in Indiana, isn’t it?

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: Or Michigan? Yeah, Indiana.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: And I think it would be a travesty to confuse the two. So, therefore, I’ve always supported sort of calling the school “Notre Dame” because everybody talks about the football team Notre Dame, yeah? Okay, cool. And then Notre Dame, which is the proper French name about the Gothic Cathedral situated in Paris, which is brilliant and all of you should see it, but I say, well, why not pronounce them differently? Because they are completely different.

Caller: Okay!

Laura: Good point.

Eric: [laughs] Does that answer your question?

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Caller: All right, I should probably go and let someone on who has an actual question.

Andrew: Okay! Well, thanks for calling!

Caller: But I’ve had a fun run anyway. All right.

Andrew: All right. Bye!

Caller: Bye!

Laura: Bye.

Andrew: Guys, call in with your Harry Potter questions. I mean, we like to take regular calls but we wouldn’t mind some Harry Potter talk too, whether it’s about the movies or the books or some news development. Jackie, hello! Hello, Jackie?


Call: Pickles and Shout Outs


Caller: Can you hear me?

Andrew: Yes. Hi, how you doing?

Caller: Sorry.

Andrew: It’s all right.

Caller: I’m good! How are you?

Andrew: Pretty good. What’s on your mind today?

Caller: Not much. I’m sorry I don’t actually have a Harry Potter question. I just wanted let you guys know that the Christmas Store by my house, they have pickle ornaments for your tree.

Andrew: Oh my gosh! We actually have one of those at my house.

Caller: Do you? I got one too.

Andrew: Hey, Laura, your mom hasn’t sent me that glass pickle yet. I really want that.

Laura: No, yeah. And I was just about to say she told me the other day that everybody has been sending – I don’t know if you guys have seen these – these pickle-packs that they’re selling in stores now.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah. I don’t even know what they are!

Laura: Okay, people have been sending – they’re just little packs of I guess plastic cups of pickles? Like, little dill pickles, and people have been sending those to the P.O. Box… [laughs]

Andrew: Why?

Laura: …and mom was – I don’t know! But my mom was like we…

Andrew: It’s probably because of Pickle Pack!

Laura: … she was, like, we keep getting these little boxes of pickles.

Andrew: [laughs] I want some of those. [laughs]

Laura: I don’t – can it – will it go bad? Or does it – I don’t know.

Andrew: I was just kidding. I don’t know. Well, thank you, thank you, to everybody who’s mailing them in, though. That’s…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: I’m sure Laura’s mom’s going to be stocking them up for when Laura gets home.

Eric: Mmm.

Andrew: She’s going to be killing herself with all those pickle pack boxes.

Laura: Mmm, exciting.

Eric: Yeah. Well, guys, I’ve got to get going, actually.

Andrew: Okay.

Eric: I got work now. But Stacy’s birthday reminded me, it’s actually somebody else’s birthday. A Kiwi – a New Zealand girl came in, actually with a group of friends, and her name was Charlie, and her friend, Camille, wanted me to wish her a Happy Birthday on the air. So Charlie and Camille, Happy Birthday to you, New Zealand, and happy shout out to everyone. Okay, cool!

Andrew: Also…

Eric: And guys? I got to get to work, so you guys have a wonderful show, and I look forward to seeing it on the feed tonight.

Andrew: Thanks! See you!

Laura: Bye, Eric.

[Eric laughs]

Caller: Bye, Eric!

Andrew: Jackie, we’ll…

Eric: Bye, Micah!

Micah: Bye.

Andrew: …let you go too, to take some other calls…

Caller: Wait! I have a shout out!

Andrew: Okay.

Caller: Okay, I have to shout out to Spot, because they’re amazing, and then I have a shout out to my friend Emily, who I hope is listening right now, cleaning her house.

Andrew: Yay!

Caller: All right, thanks, guys.

Andrew: No problem. Thanks for calling.

Caller: Yep.

Andrew: Yawning? She’s getting bored of us or something. For now, we’re going to take Skype In-Calls right now, meaning if you’re calling from a real phone – because we’ve been taking a lot of Skype calls and we would like to give some of the people who only have a land-line a chance. People who don’t have Skype. So call in now if you have a real telephone and you’re calling. I guess we should give out the numbers. In the United States it’s 1-218-20-MAGIC, and if you’re in the United Kingdom you can dial 020 – what’s the number? – 020-8144-0677, and if you’re in Australia you can dial 02-8003-5668. Amazingly, nobody’s calling!

Laura: Give them ten seconds.

Andrew: We’ll just wait around. In the meantime…

[“Don’t Phunk With My Heart” by The Black Eyed Peas begins playing]

Andrew: [singing] “No, no, no, no, don’t phunk with my heart!” Where is everybody!? Somebody call in! 1-218-20-MAGIC. It’s got to be working. I hope it’s not me.

Laura: Come on, guys. Call.

Andrew: [singing] “don’t phunk with my heart!” All right, I’ve given up on all the callers. Oh! there’s one now! Hello, caller, you’re live on MuggleCast!


Call: Andrew and Laura Caught Bashing Eric


Caller: Oh my god! Did I get on?

Andrew: Yeah, you got on!

Caller: Cool. I’m happy now.

[Music fades to the background]

Andrew: What’s going on?

[Music stops]

Caller: Nothing. I’m in Australia, in Melbourne. [unintelligible] especially to listen. [laughs]

Andrew: Awesome. You got anything on your mind today?

Caller: No, not really. I was just – I should have a question. But I don’t. I don’t have one. I’m sorry.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay. At least you were honest about it.

Caller: Ah! In the – in the chat on UStream, Ravenclawed is going on and on about how she’s got an audio of you bashing Eric, so she just wanted someone to tell you that. [laughs]

Andrew: What?

Caller: I don’t know. She’s like, I’ve got audio of Laura and Andrew bashing Eric.

Andrew: Oh!

Laura: Uh-oh!

Caller: And she wanted someone to say it.

Andrew: Talking about earlier when Laura and I – oh good thing he’s not here now.

[Caller laughs]

Andrew: Crap. I didn’t think we were broadcasting.

Caller: Oh no, I just missed him. I went to MuggleCast Down Under in Melbourne.

Andrew: Ah geez! I’m really upset now. All right, well, thanks for calling with that.

Caller: [laughs] No, it’s okay.

Andrew: Okay, bye. Shoot.

Laura: Bye.

Andrew: Shoot, Laura.

Laura: Darn it! Why did you have that broadcasting, Andrew?

Andrew: I don’t know.

Laura: What were you thinking!?

Andrew: Sorry.

[“Don’t Phunk With My Heart” by Black Eyed Peas continues playing]

Andrew: Wait for another caller. Black Eyed Peas will fill in the awkward silence. Come on, people! Call in! Not on Skype. 1-218-20-MAGIC. 1-218-20-MAGIC. There we go. Hello, caller. You’re live on MuggleCast.


Call: Pronunciation of “Nagini”


[Song stops playing]

Caller: Oh, sorry. I called before but you were just like saying, “Call.” So I called again.

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: And I was wondering, does anyone pronounce Voldemort’s snake as Na-gin-eye or is that just me?

Andrew: Na-gin-eye?

Laura: I say Na-gee-nee.

Andrew: Yeah, I think Jo pronounces it Na-gee-nee too.

Caller: Yeah, but Na-gin-eye sounds so much cooler. Like I could see Voldemort say, “Na-gin-eye” than “Na-gee-nee.”

Andrew: Na-gee-nee sounds like he’s a weenie.

Laura: [laughs] What?

Caller: I like Na-gin-eye.

Andrew: Na-gee-nee? Like I don’t know. Sounds kind of weak. Na-gin-eye, I like that. Maybe we should start that. Na-gin-eye.

Laura: No. [laughs]

Andrew: [imitating Voldemort] “Go eat him, Na-gin-eye.”

Caller: Yeah, I like…

Laura: It sounds like something from like, a really – it sounds like something from one of those anime cartoons. You know, Na-gin-eye. It just sounds like a name from like Dragon Ball Z or something. I don’t know.

Caller: Oh I hate those shows.

Laura: [laughs] Me too.

Andrew: Don’t say that. You’re going to upset a lot of our listeners. [laughs] All right, well, thank you for calling.

Caller: All right, bye.

Andrew: Bye. Looking for calls now. You know, the line is busy. I just tried to call it. Maybe that’s why nobody’s calling in because the line’s like broken or something. Let’s take another caller.

Laura: That would kind of suck.


Call: Dursleys Sending Mail


Andrew: Yeah. Take a call from Betsy.

Laura: I think we just…

Caller: Hello?

Andrew: Hi, Betsy. How you doing?

[Betsy says something unintelligible]

[Piano plays in the background]

Andrew: What is that?

Caller: Philip, stop. Okay.

Andrew: Is that someone playing a piano?

Laura: What is that?

Caller: Yeah.

Andrew: It’s not bad.

Caller: Philip, it’s live. Shhh.

Andrew: No, let him go. It’s fine. I like it. [laughs]

Caller: It’s too loud.

Andrew: Oh okay.

[Betsy laughs]

Andrew: What’s on your mind today?

Caller: I was wondering, how do they get mail when the Dursleys send mail to Harry? It’s by – it comes by owl or something?

Andrew: Right. Right.

Caller: How do they do that? Do they like leave it for Hedwig to bring or something?

Laura: Didn’t Jo say that Hedwig goes back there and waits until she – they send something? I feel like she said something about how Hedwig will go back and make
sure that they send stuff. I don’t know.

Andrew: Did she? I don’t know.

Laura: Yeah. I feel – I mean don’t quote me on it. But I feel like she did. I don’t know.

Andrew: Was that like something she brought up in her web-chat or something?

Laura: Yeah, I feel like it was in an interview where someone asked her. She said that – I don’t know. Either way I think somebody must have forced them to send him
something because otherwise they wouldn’t. I don’t know.

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: Yeah. I was thinking maybe Dumbledore just said they had to send presents or something.

Andrew: Yeah. Well, good question. Is that all?

Caller: I also wanted to shout out to Spot, and I was wondering if any of you read the Twilight books.

Andrew: No. But I saw people kept bringing them up in the chat.

Laura: No.

Andrew: What are the Twilight books?

Caller: Well, everyone should. [laughs]

Andrew: What are they? Is it like a Harry Potter rip-off?

[Laura laughs]

Caller: No, it’s not – it doesn’t really have anything to do with Harry Potter. But they’re really awesome.

Andrew: Oh cool.

Caller: And now my friend is saying I have to say you have to read Wicked too, even though I didn’t finish it yet. So I don’t know.

Andrew: I’d rather just see the play. But anyway, thank you for calling.

Caller: Wait. And a shout out to Dixie.

Andrew: Dixie?

Caller: Her real name is Emily. Because she’s yelling at me.

Andrew: Okay. Well, thank you for calling.

Caller: [laughs] Thank you.

Andrew: Bye.

Caller: Wait! Andrew is my favorite MuggleCaster.

Andrew: Oh, thanks.

Caller: Just, you know… [laughs]

Andrew: Kind of mean for Laura and Micah.

Laura: Yeah, really.

Andrew: Thanks.

[Betsy laughs]

Laura: Get out of here.

[Betsy laughs]


Call: The Marauder’s Map and the Dursleys


Andrew: Okay. I hung up on her for you guys. What’s going on, caller?

Caller: Hello!

Andrew: Hi, how’re you doing?

Caller: Oh my god, I can’t believe I’m on, because it’s the first time I rang and I’m on straight away.

Andrew: Awesome. Where are you calling from?

Caller: Australia.

Andrew: Again? Is that all…

Caller: Yeah, it’s 8:30; we’re all getting up early.

Andrew: I guess so, yeah. Everyone – geez. That’s good, that’s cool. Calling from the other side of the world, that’s crazy. I’m talking to someone on the other side of the world. Crazy.

Caller: Yes you are.

[Andrew and Caller laugh]

Andrew: Anyway, what’s on your mind?

Caller: Okay, well, I’d like to give a quick shout out, because I forgot to do it last time, to Emmes, but she’ll listen to this later.

Andrew: Cool.

Caller: Again, my question is, how did the Marauders make the Marauders Map?

Laura: Hmm…

Andrew: How did they – how did they come up with the…?

Caller: Like how did they make it?

Andrew: Like what kind of magic do you think they used?

Caller: Yeah, like something like that.

Andrew: Yeah. Beats me.

Laura: I mean, we – yeah, I mean we – I really don’t know what kind of spells they would have used. I think we clearly know that they were all – at least James and Sirius were very advanced…

Caller: Mmm.

Laura: …for their age in magic. And, I mean, of course, I think an extensive excursion around the castle would have been in order. But as for the actual mechanics that went into making it, I couldn’t tell you. I wish I could though.

Caller: Yeah, me too. Yeah, and I have another question. What happened to the Dursleys?

Andrew: In the long run?

Caller: Yeah, like, would Harry have ever gone back to see them? Probably not. [laughs]

Andrew: You don’t think so? I think he would have went over to say “Hi.”

Caller: Well, then again, yeah, because he kind of made friends with Dudley at the end.

Andrew: Right, yeah. I mean…

Laura: Yeah, but I don’t think that changes all the years of bad memories he has of living there either. You know? And it might not have anything to do with Dudley
specifically, but why go back to a place – because I always kind of assumed that after everything went back to normal, the Dursleys went back to Privet Drive and continued living on their lives as they had been before…

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: …so I just – I don’t see why he’d go back.

Andrew: I think just…

Micah: I agree.

Andrew: Okay. [laughs] I just think that Harry’s a nice guy. I think he would have gone back – what – ten, twenty years later. And just went “Hey, guys, how’re you doing?” No? I mean…

Laura: Mmm. No.

Andrew: Okay.

Laura: Why – okay, if he was going to go back, why would he wait twenty years to go back, Andrew?

Andrew: Well – like – along – you know – like – well – long – long time – bleh.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: A reunion, like a family reunion. [laughs] I don’t know.

Laura: Oh, that’s a happy family reunion.

Andrew: Well, maybe after hating them for ten years…

Laura: We used to lock you in…

Andrew: No, no, I’m saying…

Laura: …the cupboard. Please come see us.

Andrew: I’m saying maybe after ten years or so, he’s like, “Wow, I haven’t seen my – the Dursleys for a while. Wonder how they’re doing,” and – come on. I mean, you know…

Laura: I’m sure he knows how they’re doing. Like I’m sure he’d find out how they were doing, but I don’t think he’d have any reason to go visit them.

Micah: Wasn’t that that whole scene between him and Dudley and Dudley asked why he wasn’t coming with them, and I thought there was somewhere in that chapter where they said about how Harry knew he would never return to Privet Drive.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Do you guys remember that at all?

Laura: Yeah, I remember what you’re talking….

Andrew: Yeah, I do. Yeah, me too.

Micah: Now I don’t know…

Laura: So…

Micah: …if it’s just explicitly said that he would never see them again, but, I mean, I kind of agree with Andrew though, too. I mean, even though he was treated like you-know-what, I can still see him, being the type of person that he is, going back and checking on them.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: I think he can check on them without having to actually see them though.

Micah: That’s true.

Andrew: Yeah, I just made it the poll on UStream. So far twenty people are saying yes, that he would have went back to visit. So take that, Laura!

Laura: You guys are wrong!

[Micah laughs]

Laura: You’re wrong, that’s what it comes down to.


Call: Harry as a Horcrux


Andrew: We’re going to take another caller now, someone from the U.K.. What’s going on, caller?

Caller: Hi.

Andrew: Hi, how’re you doing?

Caller: Oh, I can’t believe you guys picked up.

Andrew: Ha-ha, yeah. Apparently our U.S. phone number’s not working.

Caller: Okay.

Andrew: It was before we started, I did test it, everyone. So, don’t hate me. What’s going one? What’s your name?

Caller: Well, I was wondering what you guys thought of – because Jo said that Harry wasn’t actually a Horcrux because Voldemort didn’t intend to make him a Horcrux, so I was wondering what you guys thought of that, because you haven’t actually talked about it I don’t think.

Laura: I think we addressed this at one point, didn’t we? It seems like somebody asked the same question. I feel like – I don’t know, maybe I’m just reiterating a
point I was thinking of, but I think that Harry’s case was kind of unusual, so there really was no other
name for it. There was no other word for it, I guess.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: You know what I’m saying? Like…

Caller: Yeah, I know what you mean.

Laura: Yeah, I mean, Dumbledore said it just because there was no other way to think of a human being as being a Horcrux because it had never happened before.

Andrew: Yeah. Just not a literal, actual Horcrux.

Caller: Yeah.

Andrew: But that’s just the best way to describe it.

Laura: Yeah.

Caller: Yeah. It just seems that in the beginning of the book, you guys were pretty happy, and I just wondering what you guys thought of it. If not, that’s just…

Andrew: Yeah, well, I mean, we only did it because – because Emerson and Ben, you know, wrote about in the MuggleNet book and said, you know, Harry’s a Horcrux. He
was, but he wasn’t, so I don’t know.

Laura: So everyone won. In the end.

Andrew: Everyone did win, yeah. [laughs]

Caller: Yeah, I understand.

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: Okay.

Andrew: Well, thank you for calling!

Caller: Okay, thank you for taking my call.

Andrew: No problem. Bye.

Caller: I love you guys.

Laura: Bye!

Caller: Bye.


Call: Fawkes


Andrew: Love you too. Another caller now. What’s going on?

Caller: Whoa, did you actually pick up?

Andrew: Yeah, why does everyone assume we’re not going to pick up? It’s kind of hurtful.

Caller: What?

Andrew: I said, why does everyone assume we’re not going to pick up? It’s kind of hurtful.

Caller: Well, [unintelligible]. Like, you’re just sitting here, like I’m just reading, and then it’s just like busy all of a sudden.

Andrew: Oh, yeah, sorry about that. Well, what’s on your mind?

Caller: Well, I was just wondering, at the end of Half-Blood Prince, I was wondering, where did Fawkes go? Where do you think he went?

Laura: Hmm…

Andrew: Didn’t he…

Laura: Nobody knows.

Andrew: Well, I think – well, Dumbledore was buried on the grounds. I was going to say, he went and always lived by Dumbledore’s grave, but…

Laura: That would be a really miserable existence.

Andrew: Yeah. Well, but he’s Dumbledore’s bird. Maybe Fawkes just went to live with other phoenixes.

Laura: Maybe he’s in the Forbidden Forest.

Andrew: Maybe he’s…

Caller: That’s nifty.

Laura: Maybe he’s in the Forbidden Forest.

Andrew: Oh. I don’t think that would be a very pleasant place for him either, actually.

Laura: Why not? It’s better than living by his grave.

Andrew: Okay! Whatever!

Caller: I bet if he went to the forest, I bet the thestrals would eat him.

Andrew: Yeah. He’s…

Laura: Yeah, but he’s a phoenix. He can disappear at will.

Caller: Well, I don’t know. I think that’d be totally awesome, though, if he just disappeared.

Andrew: That wouldn’t be very nice. I mean, Fawkes is a very reputable bird. He’s – he deserves a happy life.

Caller: Yeah, I know, but where has he gone? Nobody knows.

Andrew: Well, okay. So that’s where we look forward to the Harry Potter Encyclopedia, written by Jo. [laughs] Or maybe someone will ask her.

Micah: I thought she said that he would never have another owner. I mean, I know that doesn’t help us figure out where he would go, but I don’t have anything else other than that. I just know that she said that in an interview.

Andrew: Huh. Well, I got one thing to say to that, once it loads. But, I mean, Fawkes – I don’t know. Any other ideas? Somebody talk while I do something.

Laura: I mean, honestly, I’m – I mean, I don’t think that he died or he quote unquote disappeared.

Micah: He can’t die. He’s a phoenix.

Laura: That’s what I’m saying, Micah! Let me finish my point. But the whole point is, he’s everlasting. He lives forever.

[“Free Bird” by Lynyrd Skynyrd begins playing]

Laura: Way to turn on music while I’m talking.

Andrew: Keep talking. Go ahead.

Laura: Oh, my God. You had to put on “Free Bird.”

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Oh, my God. Why?

Andrew: [laughs] Because he’s a free bird.

Laura: [laughs] Andrew, you don’t have sympathy for the fact that I’ve spent most of my life in the south, and therefore have had to hear this song ad nauseam.

Andrew: Shh, Laura, let’s just enjoy it. All right, well, thank you, caller for calling, caller. I think Fawkes is a free bird. Oh, the caller left. Fawkes is a free bird.

Laura: This is the…

Andrew: Anyone with me?

Laura: …longest, longest…

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: …song in the history of man.


Call: Snake in the Orb and Getting an A in English


Andrew: Yeah, whatever, Laura. Okay, let’s take another caller now. Hello, caller, you’re live on MuggleCast. What’s going on? Hello, caller.

Caller: Hello?

Andrew: Hi, how are you doing?

Caller: Hi. Hold on, hang on, let me run downstairs really quick, my brother [unintelligible]. Okay. Hello. I am Theresa from Australia…

Andrew: Oh, awesome.

Caller: …again.

Andrew: Yeah, we really got to get that U.S. number open.

Caller: [unintelligible] You know on the U.K. Children’s Edition cover, on the back about how there was that snake in the orb?

Andrew: Yes.

Caller: Did we ever find out what that was?

Andrew: That was…

Laura: Yeah.

Caller: Or did I miss something in the book?

Laura: That was when they were – I think it was whenever they were in the Shrieking Shack, Snape and Voldemort, and Voldemort had encased Nagini inside of this water-type orb thing, I believe.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: I think it was water…

Caller: Oh, okay.

Laura: …inside of it, in order to protect her. And then she came out, and…

Caller: Okay. [unintelligible] I’d also have to thank you guys because you helped me pass my English assignment.

Andrew: How’d we do that?

Caller: Because you guys are analyzing Harry Potter, and I was comparing something to Harry Potter by analyzing something, so you were a big help to me.

Andrew: Oh, awesome!

Laura: Oh, cool!

Caller: You got me an A.

Andrew: Oh, an A!

Caller: So thanks.

Andrew: We love to hear how we help people academically. That’s always good.

[Caller laughs]

Andrew: Okay, well, thanks for calling. Have a good day…

Caller: Yup, thanks!

Andrew: …in Australia.

Caller: Well, I stayed up all night to catch the live streaming [unintelligible]. But thanks!

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew and Laura: All right.

Andrew: Bye.

Laura: Bye.

Caller: Bye.


Call: Releasing Beedle the Bard to the Public


Andrew: Let’s take on more call. We’ll let one more Skype caller come in, since all these people – poor people are calling. We’ll wrap it up for today. Hello, caller, you’re live on MuggleCast.

Caller: Hello?

Andrew: Hi, Kelsey!

Laura: Hi!

Caller: Hi! Oh my God, I can’t believe I got through! [laughs]

Andrew: What’s going on? What’s on your mind today?

Caller: Well, let me – real quick. Okay. I was just calling to ask you guys, you know how J.K. Rowling was writing the Tales of Beedle and the Bard thing?

Andrew: Yes.

Laura: Mhm.

Caller: Do you think that she would ever release that to the public?

Andrew: No.

Laura: No, I don’t think so.

Andrew: Yeah, because, I mean, that was…

Laura: Because…

Andrew: It was, one, a charity item, and then she wrote six other copies and gave them to the people who she thought helped her most with Harry Potter. So, I mean, that’s sort of very special to them, those very – you know, there’s a lot of sentimental value to that, I would think. So…

Caller: Yeah, I just think it would be cool to be able to read all the stories and be like, “Oh my god, those are so cool.”

Andrew: Oh, definitely. Yeah. Yeah, I mean…

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: …maybe that was the one idea of the charity copy, to get it out there? I don’t know.

Laura: Mmm. Doesn’t that kind of…

Caller: And also…

Laura: I don’t know.

Caller: …I just want to let you guys know – actually, I was wondering if you could possibly post the – on MuggleCast.com, because the one on UStream.tv…

Andrew: Wait, wait, wait…

Caller: …is really lagging.

Andrew: Post the what on MuggleCast.com?

Caller: Post this stream on MuggleCast.com.

Andrew: Oh. It is, isn’t it? Oh…

Caller: Because with the chat it’s really lagging.

Andrew: Oh, yeah. Well…

Caller: Yeah.

Andrew: …you know what? We’re going to wrap this show up now, but next time we should probably do that. I may just disable the chat altogether…

Caller: Yeah.

Andrew: …next time, so we don’t have to worry about it at all.

Caller: That will probably be a good idea. [laughs]

Andrew: From – actually, Tim…

Caller: Yeah.

Andrew: …over at UStream, he’s the head guy over at Ustream. He actually e-mailed me during the show. This guy’s awesome. Like, he’s always here to help you. He actually e-mailed and said it’s actually my connection. [laughs] Not theirs. He said all their stuff was running fine, and…

[Caller laughs]

Andrew: …it was my stream. Which may make sense because I’m doing this over a wireless connection, so it may – the wireless may be jumping in and out, not sure. But maybe I’ll get an Ethernet installed on my computer, so we have a hard line to the Internet. Okay? So…

Caller: Okay.

Andrew: …we’ll work on that for next time. Sorry about that.

Caller: Okay. Talk to you guys later!

Andrew: All right, bye!

Caller: Bye.

Laura: Bye.

Andrew: All right, with that – unless you guys want to take more callers. I know Micah has to run, so I think we’ll wrap the show up for today.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: This was a long one.

Laura: It’s been fun.


Show Close


Andrew: It’s been fun. It’s also been an hour and forty minutes, so it’s long enough. We hope everyone enjoyed this live show. If you want to send in some feedback about the live show, please feel free to do so, because we’re curious how you feel about these shows. As we continue to do these shows, I think we want to focus on more Harry Potter-only calls. And what’s great about the voicemails is, you can always moderate it. But thank you to everyone who did call today. We did have a good time taking all of your calls. Laura, what’s the P.O. Box if people want to contact us. You can…

Laura: P.O. Box 3151, Cumming, Georgia, 30028.

Andrew: Awesome. There’s also some numbers you can call to contact us, but while we’re doing that I want some Backstreet Boys.

[“Larger Than Life” by the Backstreet Boys begins playing]

Andrew: [sings along] Sorry, I was just [unintelligible]. If you’re in the United States,
you can dial 1-218-20-MAGIC. That’s 1-218-206-2442. If you’re in the United Kingdom, you can dial 02081440677. If you’re in Australia, you can also dial 0280035668. You can also Skype the username MuggleCast, which is what everyone was doing today, to call in and
leave a voicemail. We were actually going to have a voicemail show this week, but Kevin was having a problem gathering voicemails; there was something wrong with our voicemail box, so we’re looking into that trying to get it fixed. You can also visit MuggleCast.com for complete contact information, including a handy feedback form to contact any one of us, and you can also contact us via our first name at staff dot mugglenet dot com.

There’s also some community outlets: the MySpace, Facebook, YouTube, Frappr, Last.FM, and the fanlisting. You can also Digg the show at Digg.com, vote for us once a month on Podcast Alley, and rate and review us at Yahoo! Podcasts. That’s about it. Laura, Micah, you got anything else to say?

Laura: We have some rocking tunes playing here!

Andrew: We do. Let’s hear it louder!

[Andrew turns music up]

Andrew: Those guys can sing.

Laura: Wow.

Andrew: [unintelligible] No?

Laura: What?

Andrew: You can sing too.

Laura: Oh, I couldn’t hear you.

Andrew: Oh, yeah, sing! Come on. Anyone visiting UStream.tv right now is going to hear you sing.

Laura: Oh boy, that’s exciting.

Andrew: [sings along badly] That’s embarrassing. We’re going to be taking that off.

Laura: You should put on Hairspray, and then we can sing.

Andrew: You really want Hairspray?

Laura: Oh, well, as if you don’t listen to Hairspray enough.

Andrew: I don’t really.

Laura: Okay, never mind.

Andrew: It’s sort of not my thing. I got an e-mail; someone called me a gay boy for listening to Hairspray this week.

Laura: That’s not nice.

Andrew: It wasn’t very nice.

Laura: No, it’s not. Jerks.

Andrew: But – actually, no, we’ll stick with the classic.

[“Good Morning Baltimore” from Hairspray begins playing]

Andrew: All right, I guess we’ll end the show with this today. [laughs] Thank you, everyone, for listening. Once again, I’m Andrew Sims.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: And I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Andrew: We’ll see everyone next week for Episode 120, which will not be live. Bye, everyone!

[Micah laughs]

Laura: Bye!

Micah: Bye!

[“Good Morning Baltimore” continues playing]

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Transcript #118

MuggleCast 118 Transcript


Show Intro


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Andrew: Today’s MuggleNet podcast is brought to you by Borders. In May, thousands of Harry Potter fans descended upon New Orleans for the Phoenix Rising Conference. Borders was there to take in the sites and share a lively discussion of the series that has bewitched the world with some of Harry’s most dedicated fans. Listen in and watch the action yourself. Check our The Phoenix Rising, Borders Book Club discussion at BordersMedia.com/HarryPotter, or click on the Borders banner at the top of the MuggleNet page.

Andrew: Because we’ve got some controversy on our hands, this is MuggleCast Episode 118 for November 3rd, 2007.

[Show music starts]


Listener Issue


Andrew: All right, we are going to start the show this week with a new segment here on the show. It’s called “Listener, Please Stop Listening To Our Show E-mail of the Week.”

[Eric chuckles]

Andrew: This is a brand new segment, it may be the last time, or you know? It could be the first of many. Anyway, this is from Alex P. of Fresno, CA, age 16. Keep that in mind for when we get to the e-mail part. [lets out a sigh] Heard of us through iTunes, the subject is “Gay Dumbledore = Bad.” Her message, “On Episode 117, you were talking about how Dumbledore is gay. I was extremely disappointed when I found out. You guys were saying that people that were opposed to that were immature, or needed to get more open-minded. It’s really not right to say that someone who does not support gay people needs to grow up. People are entitled to their own decisions, but that was the bad decision on Dumbledore’s part.”

[Laura and Andrew laugh]

Laura: Oh my god.

Andrew: Oh, god. [continues to read message] “It should have said it was a decision on your part.” Anyway, she made it worse than it already is. She goes on to say, “Homosexuality is morally wrong. There’s a reason that gay couples can’t have children. It is against nature. Gay = bad, evil, perverted.” End of e-mail. Anyone else want to respond to this one first?

Eric: Gay peoples can have children. They just adopt.

Andrew: Yes.

Laura: Yeah, and I would like to hear what you think about sterile couples, sterile heterosexuals. Apparently, people who can’t have children are evil and perverted?

Andrew: No, no, no. They’re just against nature.

Laura: Oh, okay. [laughs] That, too.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Laura: All right, we’re good.

Eric: Ah, geez.

Andrew: So, thank you Alex for that e-mail, and listener, please stop listening to our show. I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: I’m Eric Scull.

Laura: And I’m Laura Thompson.


News


Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum is in MuggleCast News Center with the past weeks Harry Potter news stories. Hey, Micah.

Micah: All right, thanks Andrew. Casting for extras in the sixth Harry Potter film, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, took place recently where many young students lined up before the casting team.

Marketing manager Sharon Bird said: “The whole experience becomes a huge part of school life and children really enjoy being part of what is probably the biggest movie series in history.”

During the first 48 hours of its release, the French translation of Deathly Hallows sold 1.15 million copies. This breaks the previous record of 800,000 set by Half-Blood Prince.

J.K. Rowling updated the News Section of her official site earlier today saying that she could not approve of “companion books” or “encyclopedias” to her series. The Harry Potter author and Warner Bros. filed suit in a Manhattan Court today against Harry Potter Lexicon owner Steve Vander Ark and several defendants for publishing “an unofficial encyclopedic companion to the Harry Potter series,” saying it “infringes copyright and attempts to cash in on the successful brand.”

The Harry Potter Lexicon is slated to be released by RDR Books on November 28. Roger Rapoport, the publisher and owner of RDR Books said the companion novel “only promotes the sale of J.K. Rowling’s work and we intend to publish on schedule as planned.”

In addition to being able to view the past wizards of the month, and door openings, as well as a few new prizes another update was made to J.K. Rowling’s official website which was announced in the news section that not only has Jo written The Tales of Beetle the Bard, the book of fairy tales mentioned in Deathly Hallows, but also that the 7th of these rare items will be auctioned for charity. The charity that Jo has selected is the Children’s Voice and the book will have a starting price of 30,000 pounds.

Finally, Equus, the West End play starring Potter stars Dan Radcliffe and Richard Griffiths, is coming to Broadway in September of 2008. The production was rumored to move over to the United States, but some wondered if Dan would be able to do it because of his Half Blood Prince filming schedule. The Daily Mail also has an article on the story and notes that rehearsals are said to begin in August.

That is all the news for this November 3rd, 2007 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.


News Discussion: Equus to Broadway


Andrew: All right, thank you Micah. A few interesting news stories to discuss this week. First of all, it was announced Friday, good news for all you Dan Radcliffe fans in the New England area. Dan Radcliffe and Richard Griffiths are coming to Broadway for Equus. Yay!

Laura: Now, doesn’t that… Now, here I have a question.

Andrew: Okay.

Laura: Wouldn’t you feel insanely disappointed if you found out that they were coming to Broadway for Equus and you had spent hundreds of dollars to fly to England and see it when it first came out.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Well – well, no.

Laura: On the West End.

Eric: Unless…

Laura: I mean, I would feel incredibly stupid. [laughs]

Andrew: To be honest, I did not think of that at all when I read this story. I was happy for Dan and I’m still happy that I went to England. Because we did that podcast for fans, too. I think that was the same time that I was out there.

Eric: Yeah. Yeah, I think it was, too.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, it was. Yeah, so what are you saying, Laura? Those fans didn’t deserve the first-ever, live England MuggleCast?

Laura: Well – okay, you can’t make inferences like that. That’s ridiculous.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: I would never say anything like that. I’m just digging at you. I’m just giving you a hard time.

Andrew: Oh, okay. Well no, to be honest with you, I’m glad I went to see it in England. Because it’s the West End, it’s a very cool place to see it. It was one of the – it wasn’t one of the first shows, but it was the first time they were putting on that play with Dan in it. So…

Eric: So, you were one of the…

Andrew: I thought it was worth it.

Laura: I’m just giving you a hard time.

Eric: If you went and saw Dan in England you were one of the…

Laura: Just keeping you on your toes.

Eric: …the upper echelon. The first couple million fans who saw him naked.

Andrew: Yeah, right.

Eric: And now so all the New Englanders, they’re just getting what’s left of Dan after so many prying eyes. You know?

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Laura: Sloppy seconds.

Andrew: I’m going to be like – whenever someone goes and sees it up in New York and they’re like, “Oh my god! I saw it!” I’m going to be like, “Psht. That was so last March.”

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Nice.

Eric: No, but…

Laura: So, is anybody going to go see it?

Eric: Yeah, I will.

Laura: Are you going to go see it again, Andrew?

Andrew: I’ll see it again, yeah. I mean it’s in New York City, that’d be stupid if I didn’t go. Laura, would you see it now that you’re in this area?

Laura: Yeah, absolutely. I’d love to go see it. It would be great.

Eric: And Richard Griffiths, I’m glad that Richard Griffiths is also coming back. Because I’ve heard amazing things.

Andrew: He’s worth it.

Eric: He’s totally, I mean just from what I’ve…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And he was in, also guys, The History Boys. Are you familiar with that play?

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: Yes, he’s really good in that as well. I mean, I haven’t seen him in much. But I’ve seen him in that, as well. And it’s just I really like Richard Griffiths. I think he’s really an incredible actor.

Andrew: Mhm. Yeah, I agree. There are a couple issues this raises. First of all, personally I think the American audience is going to be a lot younger, for starters. I mean, I honestly think there’s going to be a lot of teenage Harry Potter fans showing up for this play. Especially the first couple of weeks. I just think it’s going to be primarily – maybe not primarily, but it may be close to the majority of…

Eric: I disagree, Andrew.

Andrew: …people who attend will be Harry Potter fans. Just because I think that the fan girls here are different. They’d be more into making sure they go see that. You disagree, Eric?

Laura: Yeah, well I mean, just look at the amount of people who came to New York, even though they weren’t getting into the reading in October, you know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Just like – and you look at all the groups of people on Facebook who are like, “I’m going to go to New York for this random event, even though I’m not getting in.”

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: So, it just wouldn’t surprise me if all of these people that we know, [laughs] get together and just fill up a Broadway theater.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: To see Equus together.

Eric: Well Andrew, you’ve seen the Equus show, so would you say that it’s – I don’t want to say a coming-of-age tale, because that’s sort of like December Boys. But is it – I mean it’s dark. It’s a dark play.

Andrew: It is very dark. Yeah, I think once people get in and see it and they feel the mood of the play, they may not go like – they may not be like, “Oh my god, Dan!” They’ll treat it like as an adult.

Eric: Like art.

Andrew: They’ll be adult and they won’t scream when Dan takes his pants off. You know, stuff like that. Because it is a very serious play and I think they will look at it that way.

Eric: So, I mean if they’re intelligent enough they’ll take the serious tones of it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: But I mean, it’s not the easiest thing to just to waltz in and see a Broadway show. It does cost a bit of money, you have to know where to go to get seats.

Andrew: Ticketmaster, you know? Stuff like that.

Eric: Oh yeah, yeah. Fair enough, fair enough. But like I said, I would see it. Even if – I think even if Dan Radcliffe… Well, no. I just – I was going to say that if Dan Radcliffe weren’t coming to Broadway, but Richard Griffiths was, I still might go see it. But then it would be somebody else just getting naked. And I’d be like, “Ok, that’s kind of creepy.” So…

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: Nevermind.

Andrew: Well, one other issue I think this raises is Half-Blood Prince is released November 21st. So, if this is starting on Broadway sometime in September and the film is supposed to come out two months later, how long is Equus actually going to be running? I mean, it could only be for like a month.

Laura: But some Broadway shows go forever.

Eric: So are you saying… Well, I think maybe…

Laura: You know?

Andrew: Well this isn’t so much a show. It’s not like a musical in that sense.

Eric: So, youre saying…

Laura: Yeah, but I mean a lot – Stuff doesn’t just come and go there, does it?

Eric: No, it doesn’t.

Andrew: No, I don’t think so, but there’s going to have to be a break of at least a few weeks, because Dan’s going to have to go back over to London for the premiere. He’s going to have to probably go to LA for the premiere, although maybe since he’s – do you think the premiere’s location, the US premiere’s location, would be influenced at all by Dan being in New York City in the first place?

Eric: Well, I think he’ll…

Laura: It could be. And I mean, they’re usually in New York. It was a little bit odd that they did it in LA this last time, wasn’t it?

Eric: Yeah, it was.

Andrew: Yeah, they did a lot of things differently this year, but they did have the Chamber of Secrets premiere in LA if I’m correct.

Laura: I felt like they did two premieres, or maybe it wasn’t for Chamber. I just felt like they did one in New York and one in LA for Chamber of Secrets.

Andrew: Maybe they did.

Laura: I don’t remember.

Andrew: Were you going to say something? Oh, sorry.

Laura: But you are right about that.

Andrew: Yeah, I mean, maybe I guess they can take a break of a few weeks and then go back into it, but then, you have to wonder, isn’t Dan going to want a break after the movie comes out? I mean, he’s going to be busy doing all that press.

Eric: No, no, no, I think at this point, he’s a trained actor. He’s done it on Equus, why would he even say yes to doing it on Broadway if he wasn’t ready for doing it six months on end? I mean, what they usually do on Broadway is they have like stand-in actors, they’ll have understudies that will come up and do the role if he’s gone.

Andrew: Oh, that’s true.

Eric: And if you think about it, if they time it correctly, the show itself won’t come to a halt just because Dan has to go to world premieres. He’ll just miss certain showings of it and people will just know to stay away if they don’t want to not see him.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Can you imagine how bad that would suck if you went with the expectation of seeing Dan and you just booked your tickets and didn’t think about the time you were going?

Eric: Well didn’t that happen to Leaky, they didn’t see Richard Griffiths, or something? Somebody had an understudy that was going on?

Andrew: Oh, yeah, yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, when Melissa and John went they didn’t see Richard Griffiths.

Eric: And that’s upsetting.

Andrew: For the record, to clear something up real quick, you were right, Laura. They did have a New York and Los Angeles premiere for Chamber of Secrets.

Laura: Oh cool.

Eric: Yeah, because I almost won the “Be on the Red Carpet” thing for that. That was cool.

Andrew: Oh, really? [laughs]

Eric: Yeah, it was Kids WB, the television channel.

Andrew: Oh, okay. Do you have to watch Pokemon and watch for the secret code?

Eric: You do. You did. You wait for the code.

Andrew: Yeah, I knew it.

Eric: Yeah, and I got a poster out of it. I did win a promo poster.

Andrew: Cool. It was worth it.

Eric: Some eight-year-old won the actual prize.

Laura: Jerk.

Andrew: Yeah. So that’s it with that. We’ll continue updating everyone with more developments. I guess the only other news we’re going to wait to hear is exactly what Dan Radcliffe’s plans are going to be, especially around the Half-Blood Prince movie release, and also where the play is actually going to be, which theater. I mean, it’s also worth noting, I guess this means that filming is going to be done by early August at the very latest, because Dan’s going to be in the United States come August for rehearsals.

Eric: Filming only takes about four months, maybe.

Andrew: No, it’s longer than that.

Eric: Is it?

Laura: No, on these it’s a lot longer. They said it was like 11 months, didn’t they?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Oh, really? Well I know Natalie Tena, yeah, Nymphadora Tonks, and Lupin and all of them are filming in November of this year, though, so this month is when they’re going to be there.

Andrew: Well, yeah, but I mean, Dan’s everywhere, so he has to be there to film.

Eric: Yeah, true, true. Yeah.

Andrew: So that’s interesting. That is great news, because it has been a rumor for awhile, and I’m sure all the fangirls are looking forward to that. I know I am. I’m not really, I mean whatever. I’ll get a ticket if you guys want to go. I’m not going to make it a special priority.

Laura: Yeah, okay. Yeah, sure. And then next thing you know, you will be.

Andrew: Well, I don’t know.

Laura: No, I’ll probably go. It’ll be fun.

Eric: Yeah, we should all go together.

Laura: Yeah, use it as an excuse to hang out again.

Andrew: Yeah, we could talk about it on the podcast all over again.

Laura: What?

Andrew: We can talk about it on the podcast again, like, you know Jamie and I already reviewed it.

Laura: Oh, yeah.

Eric: Yeah, we’ll do a podcast.


News Discusion: JKR Site Updates


Andrew: So, in other news now, there were quite a – there were some good stories this week. I like this news week. Something sort of depressing, I guess, there are no more Wizards of the Month on JKRowling.com. Or at least it can be assumed, because the calendar on JKRowling.com, which was for the past – oh, god, since the site started.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: It’s been over two years now, I think there’s 42 wizards total. So for the past 42 months, there’s been wizards, now it’s replaced with a Wizard of the Month archive, and you can go through all of them and see all the pictures and descriptions. So we had talked last month, we wondered, now we’re up to Harry Potter, what wizard can come after Harry Potter being featured as wizard of the month? And that explains it. No wizard can come after Harry Potter. So, now we are without Wizard of the Month on JKRowling.com.

Laura: That stinks. You know what I wonder?

Eric: I mean, it did go into archive mode

Laura: Did she ever do any other characters, like Ron and Hermione on those?

Andrew: No.

Laura: I just, I don’t know, I figured she would have done them.

Andrew: Well, for those of you who are MuggleNet-savvy, you will know that we have always had a Wizard of the Month archive up on MuggleNet. I’ve been maintaining that section since like I started and joined onto MuggleNet. That was like my big thing. I was like “Emerson, I have an idea. Let’s make a JKRowling.com Info Section.” And Emerson was like, “Great idea. Do it.” So I did it.

Laura: We should all share our stories about how we got hired sometime. That could be interesting.

Andrew: Yeah. Well, we might as well on this show, because it’s not…

Laura: Yeah, there’s nothing going on.

Andrew: And then there’s also a Room of Requirement archive up now, so those are two big parts of the site that are now gone. And I guess…

Eric: So does this mean that I can take the WOMBATs now?

Andrew: No, I think the WOMBATs are long gone, too. I don’t think you’re going to have any luck doing that.

Eric: Oh.

Andrew: But, hey, let’s see there’s some other news.

Eric: Yeah, there’s another book coming out.


News Discussion: Tales of Beetle the Bard


Andrew: Someone IMed me, my friend back here at home, the other day, and was like, “See, she is doing an eighth book.” No, no. J.K. Rowling is going to auction The Tales of Beedle the Bard.” Of course it was in Deathly Hallows and now she’s – she hand wrote it, and she drew her own sketches and such inside of it. So, it’s going to be quite the collector’s item. Of course there’s only going – okay, maybe I’m a little confused about this whole story. Are there seven of these books?

Laura: Yes.

Andrew: It’s the same thing, they all have the same stories in them?

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Or each book…

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh, okay, because I always thought each book had a different story, but I guess not.

Laura: No, I think they all have the same stuff, and she gave six of them…

Eric: Yes, but are they all handwritten? Did she handwrite the same stories seven times?

Andrew: I can’t imagine, that would be…

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Then again, she did sign 2,000 books per reading, so…

Eric: Yeah, she really likes – but that’s what confused me, just the terms. Like, handwritten items, I was like, well…

Andrew: Well, yeah, but…

Eric: But I assume that’s just as opposed to typed, so they can sort of have a copy of her handwriting, and, you know?

Andrew: Yeah. [pause] Well, sorry, I’m just reading what’s on J.K. Rowling’s website right now. I don’t think she says–well, yeah. “I therefore decided to hand-write a limited number of copies of The Tales of Beedle the Bard.”

Laura: Wow.

Andrew: So, yeah.

Laura: They’re probably not that long.

Andrew: Yeah, and she said each has a dedication, so…

Eric: Well, I assume – yeah.

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: Hmmm, interesting. Do you guys, think, though…

Andrew: No.

Eric: …that we’ll be seeing these -assuming somebody with…

Andrew: No.

Eric: Like, do you think we’ll ever see them?

Laura: No, because she gave six of them away.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: And she’s auctioning one.

Eric: Well, somebody else – I was just reading on I think it was, it wasn’t ABC.com, it was just one of the news sites. It said, “J.K. Rowling to publish first non-Potter book.” Actually that was AOL. It said “J.K. Rowling…”

Andrew: Yeah, that was a very misleading title. I saw that too.

Eric: That was incredibly misleading. That was like, what the heck? Because it says, “JKR to publish first non-Potter book,” and I’m like, first of all, it’s not even published. There’s only seven copies in the world, and it’s like, wow. The news is just completely wrong and misleading in this case.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: As it very often is.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Right. This is just another example. I mean, they say “first non-Potter book.”

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: And I’m like, wow, is this really a non-Potter book to begin with? I mean, that’s debatable. Because I think the stories are–I mean, “Babbity Rabbity and her Cackling Stump?” I would pay 62 million pounds.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Or 62,000 pounds to read that.

MuggleCast 118 Transcript (continued)


News Discussion: Harry Potter Lexicon Lawsuit


Andrew: Yeah. I’m sure they’re going to be very clever. I would really enjoy seeing those. Okay, so one more news line on that we wanted to touch on, we don’t really want to get into, because at this point it is semi-controversial, but as many people have been hearing, J.K. Rowling and WB both have filed a lawsuit over a companion book that basically is an entire encyclopedia to the Harry Potter novels. This is coming from the Harry Potter Lexicon (hp-lexicon.org) which,it’s a great resource for Harry Potter content. I mean, characters, timelines, everything.

Laura: And I mean, Jo said that she’s used it to check facts before, too.

Andrew: Yeah, she’s called it her natural home. I mean, she was a huge fan of it, and Steve Vander Ark has great reason to brag about it. It’s very complex. It’s very in-depth. It’s a very, very, very good resource. However, as it turns out, the creator, Steve Vander Ark, had decided to turn it into a book, and the understanding–the general consensus is that it’s basically–the book that is going to be released is basically an entire copy of the website printed, so of course this raises concerns over trademarks and copyrights, because how can you write a Harry Potter encyclopedia without using WB’s trademarks? I mean, WB owns all Harry Potter words. Like, we couldn’t sell MuggleCast t-shirts because we were in violation of these copyrights just by having the word “Muggle” on our shirts, even though it was “MuggleCast.” So, we’re going to see how this whole story plays out. It’s very interesting, and RDR books, the publisher, is still planning on releasing this book. I am not going to lie, I will be purchasing this book, because now all this negative publicity has gotten a lot of people interested in this book. What are you guys’ thoughts?

Eric: Ugh. They can change the cover of the book. “The Book JKR Tried to Ban,” you know?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Laura: I don’t know, I think that they’re not making a very smart move by continuing to publish it. I mean, if you look at the kind of lawyers that WB and J.K. Rowling are going to have? I just would not want to mess with that, personally.

Eric: See, my initial thoughts on when I heard this, I was thinking, well it wouldn’t be so bad to have a sort of definitive encyclopedia of what did happen in the books. You know, we’re talking stuff that’s already in the Harry Potter books that is just an easy reference guide for saying, “this is all the times that we saw Aberforth, or all the times he was mentioned,” sort of something that. It would be something altogether – and on JKR’s post, it would be something altogether different than what she was going to do with her Harry Potter “Encyclopedia,” which I hate calling it that to begin with, because it would actually be just a bunch of stories and loose ends that never made it into the books, right? Timelines and ideas, but ones that weren’t actually in the books. So, Steve’s book is apparently all the stuff that is in the books, a compendium, a lexicon of sorts [laughs] to borrow his – the title of what did happen in the books. And I thought in the first place that those two things would be entirely different and therefore, they could co-exist.

Laura: I think the point is, is that the content that he has on the Lexicon that he was planning on esentially printing in book form is free and accessable to people on the web.

Eric: Right, and there. Okay.

Laura: But esentially what he would be doing is selling information that is – it’s not even like there’s origninal theories embedded in it, it’s that it’s just strict information from the books, and that’s why it’s a problem.

Andrew: Right, and J.K. Rowling has specifically stated that if it was an analysis book looking at Harry Potter – for example, the MuggleNet book. That was never in any sort of legal trouble because it wasn’t an encyclopedia of sorts, it was analysis of what was going to happen. It wasn’t threatening anything J.K. Rowling would be publishing in the future. I mean, that’s another thing. J.K. Rowling – like, when she says she’s writing this encyclopedia does she mean it’s only stuff she hasn’t included in the books before? Or does it include everything, plus the stuff we haven’t heard before? You know?

Eric: Do you really think that JKR could be, I don’t want to say innacurate about what she’s said in the past, but I mean, she’s messed up when she’s written the books sometimes, and…

Laura: Yeah, but I think if she’s writing and encyclopedia she’s going to reference the books.

Eric: But that seems kind of pointless because it’s in the books, the information in the books is in the books.

Laura: Yeah, I don’t really think that we’re going to have stuff like in Year 1, Harry did this.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: I don’t think we’re going to have that.

Andrew: It just – I just wonder right now how she’s actually going to lay this book out.

Eric: Well I mean, a lot of people are saying, and this is, I have people IMing me like five times every hour saying “WTF Jo is suing Steve!” and all sorts of stuff like – I mean, that is the thing. It is a hot issue, and that’s why it was smart to mention it on here at least. But, you guys, I’ll just plug, Leaky Cauldron has the full article. It even mentions the lawsuit itself, all of the legal terms, and it has a timeline of itself on there of Warner Brothers trying to contact Steve and sort of sort this stuff out. I think you guys will find, and I’m just going to say right now, I do actually, despite the initial feeling, I do support this lawsuit because Steve’s publisher, RDR Books are seriously, seriously stupid. They have made some seriously bad moves, completley, horribly wrong and rotten moves. And their dodgy as hell. And it’s just, if you guys read this, seriously, just think. I mean, I feel bad for Steve. I think he’s going to lose just because his publisher is just so dumb. They refused to give a print copy of the book to WB. They said “Well, if you can’t print out what’s on the website, as one of your people to show you how.” [laughs] Okay?

Andrew: Mhm.

Laura: Yeah, ouch.

Eric: So can they blame Warner Brothers for thinking then that the book will be and exact print version of what is on the website, and becoming more worried.

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, what is this all about? Money. I mean, obviously this could be a big seller. I think J.K. Rlowling and WB realize that.

Laura: Well, yeah.

Andrew: I mean, it would be a great reference book to have right here when we’re talking Harry Potter [laughs], I’m going to be honest!

Eric: Yeah. But then again, we’re…

Laura: I think the problem is that she wants to write that encyclopedia to benifit charity.

Andrew: Oh, yeah.

Laura: She doesn’t even want to keep the royalties at all. She wants to give them all to charity and I think she feels like…

Andrew: No, no, no, all I’m saying is I think the reason RDR is being such a pain about this is why they’re not giving up is because of money.

Laura: Oh, I know. Oh yeah, it’s because of money. Of course.

Eric: Well they’re going to lose a hell of a lot of not just money, but they’re going to be like the guys that pulled out Indiana Jones 4, they’re going in that town again. You know what I’m saying?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: They’re just going to be – I mean, I just can’t believe the publisher. Reading the details on Leaky, and reading that news post where it has all of those, you know, nasty things that RDR is doing, I feel bad for Steve, but at the same time his publisher has just made some very wrong moves. Like, I just can’t believe any publisher, and actual publisher can be so stupid to take on Warner Brothers like this without actually offering any sort of rebuffing of Warner Brothers’ claims.

Andrew: Yeah. I mean J.K. Rowling and WB both I’m sure hold some very powerful lawyers.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: And I think they’ll get whatever they want.

Eric: Yeah but it’s not like what they want is unjustified like many people are feeling, is what I’m saying.

Andrew: No, no, no, no, no, oh definitely. But, you know, what I’m trying to say is to just add to your case, RDR Books is digging themselves into a deep hole.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Kind of like a hole that goes all the way down to hell.

Andrew: Yeah. But to be honest with you, now there’s so much controversy, I’m really looking forward to checking out this book, you know?

Eric: Yeah, you know like RDR, and I don’t want to say I gave them the idea, but copies are probably going to surface. I mean look at how close it is to delay date – publishing date! That’s the problem, see?

Andrew: Well they said they’re still going forward with it. So….

Eric: Well ah, geez. That’s like such a bad idea though. But….

Andrew: Well. I mean, anyway. What does bug me a little bit – I mean, I’m not taking it personally because I had nothing to do with the MuggleNet book, but RDR Books published an FAQ on their website where they ask, you know, where they’re addressing questions everyone has and they specifically reference MuggleNet. One of the questions is: “Why do Warner Brothers and Mrs. Rowling want to sensor the Lexicon book when dozens of other reader’s companions are on the market?” And RDR’s response is: “At the moment, books published by Penguin, MuggleNet.com’s, Spark Notes, Broadway and Ulysses Press and many other publishers are in print around the world. At least 46 such books are presently available in bookstores and libraries. Obviously none of these books have been enjoined by the courts including Books that are barred word for word by the Lexicon without the author’s permission. In addition countless newspaper articles have appeared about the Harry Potter books.” One question I have, come to think of it Spark Notes, what is the deal with Spark Notes? Do they have…

Laura: Spark Notes. They do, but the thing about Spark Notes is that it again offers analyzation

Andrew: Oh right.

Laura: And it offers summaries. It is not taking direct passages from the books it is offering summaries as a study tool.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: And you go into the symbolism section and it will pick symbols out of the books and analyze them. So, I think again the difference here and I think that Jo made this distinction on her site is that there it quite a difference between a companion novel and an encyclopedia because a companion novel does reference the ideas from her books but they are purely that, they are just references.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Writers of these books are using them I order to make inferences and opinions whereas just taking basic facts form the books and publishing them is copyright infringement. So…

Eric: Yeah, I think it is also, I mean, you said that it would be great to have a, you know, book right next to you and sort of think well, we are always on our computers when recording MuggleCast, so we can technically always go to the Lexicon.org.

Andrew: Mhm.

Laura: And the Lexicon is a great site. It really is

Eric: I know, Jo herself loves it, which is why I am sure that this is tearing them up because of the lawsuit.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: I think that it was really, based on the Leaky timeline and the lawsuit, it was really, actually a last resort of sorts because of RDR sort of dodging them. I mean Warner Brothers and JKR talked to the publisher and were pushing the lawsuit basically and RDR requested a little bit of time of from the whole deal and took that time to turn around and sue Warner Brothers. [chuckles]

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: So RDR filed a claim against Warner Brothers that says that they used Steve Vander Ark’s Timeline on the Lexicon for one of their DVDs. Now what do you guys think
about this claim because I recall that timeline being on the DVD’s because I hate it, but…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: …I recall it being on the DVDs.

Laura: Yeah, I vaguely remember that I don’t really know what all specifics went into that. But, just thinking about it just, how different could the two timelines be? It is the same story. I mean I do not know if…

Andrew: Well, the think is that WB got it from Steve. They asked permission.

Laura: We know that. Do we know that for sure?

Andrew: Yes, yes.

Laura: Okay.

Andrew: Okay, but… So, you know that Steve gave them permission that he took the time to put together. Steve did not get permission from J.K. Rowling to print and make money off of all of her information that came out of her head.

Eric: Yeah. And I mean back to the – I think that there should just be, like what is the best way to do this? Like, do you think if they actually do – if they able to give profits of the book to charity do you think she will let them publish it?

Laura: I think if that was going to happen from – I do not know.

Andrew: There has been no about that happening though, at least not publicly

Eric: Yeah, but RDR is just stupid though, geez, I am just laughing at these publishers.

Laura: And see I have a feeling that if there had been an intention for the royalties to go to charity it would not have blown up like this.

Eric: But Steve could somehow, I mean, look, I don’t know if he is even in control of this thing. I feel like JKR are him aren’t even in the middle of this. I think that their lawyers are having at it because of all the screw ups and stuff. And if you read this article it is this big big mess and it is like “WOW!” I mean I do not even think even if Steve wanted to donate the book’s profit charity. I don’t think his contract with his publishers would let him do it unless his publishers fell through with JKR could probably ensure will happen, but at the same time what does that mean for the book, I mean I did not know that this book was coming out until it was being sued.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, I didn’t know either.

Andrew: Well, I don’t think anyone really knew. What is interesting is that J.K. Rowling on Halloween made a very suspicious post on her site saying, “I really love fan sites. That is why I created the ‘Fan Site Award’ however, I cannot support or approve of any companion or encyclopedia books, because as some of you may know, I am working on my own encyclopedia and this will be taking money away from charity and the ultimate losers would be the charities.” And nobody knew bout the Lexicon book at that point so…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I have to be honest, when I read that I was like…

Laura: I know we were all like…

Andrew: “…is she talking about the MuggleNet Book?”

Laura: I IM’ed Andrew and was like “Oh, my God, what happened?”

[Andrew and Laura laughs]

Eric: Something big must have gone down and all the companion books ever are about to ripped from people’s houses, you know? [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. I was like, it did not make sense to me because the book has been out for since what, like when did it come out? April?

Laura: Almost a year ago, no…

Andrew: Earlier?

Laura: It was out last Christmas, yeah.

Andrew: Well, I am going to click the news post right now. October – wow, yeah it has just been over a year. Yeah, so we were all thinking that and then I was thinking, “What other websites have a book?” and of course, as she is well known Melissa Annelli over at Leaky is working on her book, but it is not a companion book or an encyclopedia – it is an analysis of the fandom. And I also know a couple Wizard Rockers are working on their own books, but that is not an analysis or companion or encyclopedia book either. So, or no sorry, an encyclopedia or companion book. It had us worried about MuggleNet for a bit, but hey we are all good now.

Eric: [chuckles] Because we know its Steve. But, honestly guys there are other companion novels and this is what sort of people do after. I mean there are other companion novels I just think that “why JKR has allowed them, and not this?” This is in many reasons – I mean, I heard it described as, I mean we do certain… It’s actually that JKR wrote this. These aren’t for analysis, sort of too concise material quoted directly from the book. Because RDR Publishers have not given Warner Brothers a single reason to believe that the book won’t infringe on copyright, because they wouldn’t give them a copy to review beforehand, because they wouldn’t even answer any of their claims, and then turned around and tried to sue them back, it is seeming and very openly, blatantly that RDR/Steve will me infringing on copyright.

Andrew: Yeah. So, I guess we will leave it at that for now. We will see how the story plays out. We weren’t really sure whether or not to talk about this, because the story is still unfolding and all that, but I think we addressed it.

Eric: Yep. Fair enough.

Andrew: So… [sigh] So, with that said…

Laura: Wow!

Andrew: Huh, is right. “Wow,” is right.

Eric: Andrew, we have Muggle, we have…

[sings like on PotterCast] Mail time! Mail time! Mail time! MA-IL TIME! Right?

[sings like on Blues Clues and PotterCast] Here’s the mail. It never fails. It makes me wanna wag my tail. When it comes I wanna wail. Muggle Mail… Muggle…

Laura: Oh, Nick Jr.


Announcements


Andrew: We have announcements first though.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Announcements? God, we didn’t even do those? [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. They really aren’t – it’s sort of the same thing every week not, but HEY! Heeey! Here’s a new thing. It’s a new month. It’s now November, and when I realized that, I was like, “Ugh! It’s the worst month ever!”

Laura: Why is November the worst month ever?

Andrew: Ogh! Cause it’s cold. It’s dreary. You have to eat turkey with your family…

[Eric laughs]

Laura: Awww. That’s so horrible.

Andrew: It gets dark really early.

Laura: You poor baby.

Eric: Not here it doesn’t, Andrew. I’ll tell you that. It’s almost summer here. I’m waiting for it. I’m waiting for it.

Andrew: Well. Whether it’s dark or not, don’t forget to vote for us on Podcast Alley.

Eric: [whispers] Podcast Alley.

Andrew: We ask for your vote of support so we are up there.

Eric: [whispers] Higher.

Andrew: We are over there at Podcast Alley…

Eric: [whispers] Podcast Alley.

Andrew: … where a lot of news outlets check out when they want to see who is popular in podcasting, and with your guys’ support we have been up there, so thank you very much. Also, MuggleCast ring tones are for sale, and they are the only thing WB hasn’t ceased and desisted us for yet.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: So…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Check those out. It goes to support the show, and we are trying to save up some money for future [nerdy voice] podcasting events. And also of note, Hedwig’s Theme, the opening. The rocked out, cracked out, Hedwig’s theme is now available for ring tones.

Eric: Now, who is the artist that wrote that? Isn’t it Advanced Potion Making?

Andrew: Yes, it’s Kenneth, and he agreed to allow us to put it up, so we thank him mucho maximo.

Eric: Hmmm!

Andrew: So, check those out if you want them on your telephono! No Verizon support. We will work on that eventually.


Previous Show Feedback


Eric: So, “Butterbeer by the Keg,” that was last weeks show. Is that correct, Andrew?

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: What was our…? Now, it sounds kind of ominous, doesn’t it? Like Butterbeer… by the keg. Because you’ve got your butter and your beer,but what was that show actually about?

Andrew: Weren’t you on it?

Eric: Yeah. I was. [laughs] I’m just trying to lead in.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh. Okay. Yeah, well it was about Dumbledore being gay, and of course we got a lot of feedback about it, and we, you know, a lot of people liked that show. A lot of people said it was the best show we have ever done.

Laura: Yeah.

[Laura and Eric laugh]

Eric: Thanks guys!

Laura: Wow! Thank you.

Andrew: I guess, yeah, thank you. We are glad everyone enjoyed it a lot. Ummm, at the same time we did get some negative feedback, but the positive feedback far outweighed it. People liked that we were speaking in a more mature manner. We were treating the show a little more adult-like because we were talking about adult topics, and they were glad we were talking about that and at the same time throwing a few funnies in there. Some people didn’t like those funnies, but…

[Eric laughs]


Muggle Mail: Ron and Parseltongue


Andrew: Over all, the general consensus was that it was one of our best shows. So we did get a lot of feedback. The first e-mail addresses something else other than Dumbledore being gay.

Laura: This comes from Melissa, 16, of Wisconsin. She says:

“Hey guys, love the podcast.

I am just writing, because in Episode 116 you were wondering how Ron could know how to say the word “open” in Parseltongue, when he only heard Harry say it in the second year, but actually he heard Harry say it in the Seventh Book when he was telling the locket to open. Also, in the Seventh Book, Ron kept showing signs of being able to imitate people’s voices, such as when they were in the Malfoy’s dungeon and he imitated Wormtail’s voice.”

Laura: This is what I kept trying to tell you guys last week, but you weren’t listening!

Andrew: Awwww…

Eric: Because you weren’t articulate enough Laura. Now that you have got your reference in Book 7, you can blow us away.

Andrew: Well, sorry Laura.

Eric: You just – I forgot that this had happened in Book 7, so obviously, if you would have told me, then…

Laura: I was like, “But wait, didn’t he imitate..?” And everyone was like, “Nope! Braugh!”

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Eric: We were wrong. I was wrong.

[Laura keeps laughing]

Eric: Laura, I was wrong. You were correct.

Laura: You are wrong. Go repent.

Eric: I will reflect that Ron is good at imitating voices, or at least Wormtail’s. Well, you live with a rat for eleven years, you think he would be able to imitate his voice.

Laura: Yeah, that’s true.

Eric: But anyway, I still think that we should have seen the Chamber of Secrets and that Harry should have gone down, and that will just be my opinion always. In that whole thing, that just Ron and Hermione going down in the back story, was not good enough for me. Which is fine. It doesn’t have to be, but hat is always going to be my opinion. Sort of whether or not…


Muggle Mail: Singapore


Andrew: Mhm. And then we have another e-mail here. Heather, 17 of Singapore, she writes about our main discussion.

Eric: I can read… Should I read this? All right, next rebuttal is from Heather, 17, of Singapore, and the subject is “Wrong Information from MuggleCast 117.” She says:

“Hello,

You mentioned in MuggleCast 117 that it is illegal to be gay in Singapore. It isn’t illegal to be gay in Singapore, but it’s illegal to engage in gay relationships.”

So, yeah.

“Anyway, great show.”

[laughs] So, let me clarify. It’s not illegal to be gay in Singapore, but it’s illegal to engage in relations. So, yeah.

Laura: Yeah, but, I mean, that same law has been in effect in a few states in the U.S…

Eric: No, I think it’s different because I actually heard – there was a story of some Australian kid who got caned for doing something like that. I mean…

Laura: Yeah, yeah, I know, but I mean they’re basically saying, “Oh you’re allowed to be gay, but you can’t engage in any sort of sexual relation.” Like, I don’t know. It’s just stupid.

Eric: Yeah, well, at any rate, it’s – I think Singapore is there.

Andrew: Is pretty strict.

Eric: I think, I think, I think. So… It’s really strange, but thank you for clarifying, Heather.


Religious Rebuttals


Andrew: So, we got some other feedback. A lot of people had things to say about Christianity, or at least our response to Christianity, and a lot of people got the wrong impression, I think. Right, Laura?

Laura: Yeah. Yeah, a few people did. We talked a lot about the Bible last week, especially Leviticus. Those of you – those Christians who are… [expletive] What am I trying to say here? Those Christians that reference the New Testament, we weren’t referring to them. We were talking about the more fanatical Christians who abide by the Old Testament, and even though we know the Old Testament isn’t – is used mainly for study now, there are still a lot of people out there who try to reference those rules in order to get their own issues with homosexuality put up on a higher pedestal, I think. I mean, do you guys agree? I feel like even though – even though Leviticus isn’t supposed to be viewed as anything more than historical at this point, at least that’s the impression I’ve gotten, it seems like a lot of people try to use old traditions in order to prove that homosexuality is wrong, and those were the people we were referring to.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Not, not people – not Christians that were accepting of homosexuals. We weren’t talking about you at all.

Andrew: Right. Yeah, that’s, well put, I think.

Eric: Wasn’t our consensus that if you don’t support homosexuality then, you are, by rule of thumb, immature?

Andrew: No, I mean, listen. This podcast is a very opinionated podcast.

Eric: It is.

Andrew: I mean, that’s all we do, is speak our own thoughts on everything. So, it shouldn’t have really come as a surprise to everyone when we were talking about it with our own opinions. I do see how some Christians may become upset. I mean, I’m Christian. A lot of people – we’ve got some e-mails saying, “None of you guys are Christian.” I’m Christian, however, I’ll be honest and say I’m not up on the Bible and how to interpret what was said in the Bible with it’s current – how we all live today. So, with that said – again this is a very opinionated podcast, and if you have different opinions, that’s fine. We’re just getting ours out there. That’s – you listen to the show for our opinions and news.

Eric: I think a lot of Christians – what do I want to say, divisions? I think a lot of Christian groups are of the policy “live and let live,” though, with the whole thing. Accept God’s love, and God loves everyone the same, and it’s just “live and let live” of that thing. I was raised Catholic. I’m Catholic, actually, and so I sort of know – I mean, I know a lot about this religion thing, at least from a Catholic stand point, and I know they don’t support gays, but they do things to little boys. So, I mean, it’s just – in religion it’s – just using your religion to ban practices and say that certain people are just going to go to hell – you know, that’s not really – I don’t think that’s really productive.

Laura: Yeah, and there seems to be a misconception that we were saying that if you are adverse to homosexuality, you must be a Christian. That’s not what we were saying, and we weren’t saying the opposite either. We weren’t saying that all Christians were adverse to homosexuality, but what we were saying was that if you look at the main – if you look at the main group of people who are against gay rights, especially in America, that they do tend to be Christian. Albeit they are…

Eric: You know what that is Laura? You…

Laura: Extremists. They’re extremist Christians, but we aren’t saying that all Christians are that way.

Eric: That’s a stereotype, is what you’re saying. You’re creating a stereotype.

Laura: It’s not – no, no, no, I’m not saying that all people who are against gay rights are Christians. I’m saying that the majority of people that do protest gay rights tend to be extremist.

Eric: And then use it for religious purposes, because that seems to be the best reason for them to…

Laura: Yes.

Eric: Yeah, well, I mean, this all relates back, guys, because we are talking about Dumbledore being gay, and it’s affect on the Harry Potter fandom, is sort of the reason why we are talking about all these heated sexual politics and stuff, but we have a few responses, as well, about Dumbledore and sort of how that affects the books and the fandom still.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: You guys…

MuggleCast 118 Transcript (continued)


Muggle Mail: Dumbledore’s Sexuality


Andrew: Yeah, we’ll get to them now. The first one is from Stephanie, 19, of Illinois. She writes about all this, and says:

“Okay, while listening to Episode 117 I heard reference from an email from a Christian responding to J. K. Rowling’s revelation about Dumbledore’s sexuality. I myself am a Christian, but my views on homosexuality are very different from that other listener. I have friends that are gay, and my relationship with them most definitely did not change when they ‘came out.’ What my religious beliefs are don’t factor into how I relate to them or how I view them in any way, shape, or form. Likewise, my views on Dumbledore underwent no sort of change. Though, as Eric said, I prefer not to think of him as sexual at all. This would have been the same if Jo had suddenly revealed that he was in love with McGonagall instead of Grindelwald.”

I would also agree with that.

“Also on this topic, I was having a conversation with my raised-in-a-conservative-Jewish-home step-mother and she told me something interesting. As pertains to the Old Testament of the Bible, the problem that the Bible has with homosexuality is similar to the problems it has with contraception. It’s more than a man – it’s more that a man would be wasting his seed, if you will, than anything. At any rate, views like the ones voiced by the other listener just pissed me off. Dumbledore – Dumbledore being gay has nothing significant to do with his part in the series. It’s merely something interesting about the man himself. Oh, he’s gay. She could have said anything else about him and my ultimate reaction would have been the same. I am sorry, though, that he had to be in love with someone like Grindelwald. Not because he’s a guy, just because he’s, well, Grindelwald. Pickles, etc. Steph.”

Eric: Yeah, we did say it was tragic.

Andrew: So, that was a good e-mail.

Eric: Yep.

Laura: That was a very good e-mail.

Eric: Yeah. And, yeah, I mean, I agree. Grindelwald – it’s just sad that Dumbledore is so – I mean, is in love with somebody so flawed and obviously evil. And that Dumbledore has to suffer that when he ends up killing his sister so that’s , you know, that’s really messed up.


Muggle Mail: Dumbledore’s Outing


Andrew: Next e-mail! From Eric’s buddy, Erik, with a “k.”

Eric: Next e-mail, next Muggle Mail, comes from Erik, age 35, from Los Angeles. He says:

“I commend J.K. for her creative decision to make Dumbledore gay. It fits perfectly with her story and helps us understand the tragic hero that much more, but the outing of Dumbledore raises some questions. I disagree that she was using this as a way to stand up for gay rights. To me, it was her revealing her creative process. If she truly was standing up for gay rights, a better choice might have been one of the Weasley boys, Cedric, or even Krum. They had a mother and a father and/or a pretty normal childhood. It is very interesting to me that she used a character with a horrible home life to be gay. His brother did God-knows-what with goats. Mother and father weren’t supportive and subsequently killed. Those ridiculously ignorant people out there would say, ‘See gay is a choice or is a biproduct of a messed up childhood.’ Do you guys feel this was the best choice of characters if the point was to promote gay activism?”

Hmmm, and that’s the end of the e-mail.

Laura: I don’t think – I don’t think the – it’s kind of hard to specify on this front. But I don’t know that she was specifically trying to promote gay activism so much as just to show that people are different.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: And we’re not different by choice, that there are things about us that we don’t have control over. And a lot of the time you’ll hear writers talk about their chracters as though they don’t have complete control over them. You know how writers will say like, “My character wanted to do this or I couldn’t stop my character from doing that.” Whenever I think of it in those terms, it makes me think that maybe Dumbledore just came to her gay. Like – she didn’t choose his sexuality, he just was that way. And it wasn’t going to be right for her to try and change that just for the story, you know?

Andrew: Right. Yeah, I agree. I mean, as J.K. Rowling has said herself, she didn’t see this as being a big deal. She has always thought this, allegedly, in the back of her head, but she never saw a need to release it because she didn’t think it was going to get the – unfortunately, the press that it got and, also, the reaction from fans. I think you’re right, though. I think if you read in between the lines, I think one of Jo’s intentions may have been to make people who aren’t so much for homosexuality realize that, hey, you know, anyone can be gay and it doesn’t really change them. I mean, Dumbledore wasn’t what some may say would be, like, a stereotypical gay person. Like, you know, people will go back and read the books and try to find signs that suggest that he’s gay, but you won’t find a single one.

Eric: Well, I mean I…

Andrew: So…

Eric: I thought this was – this was pretty clever because he said, well, if you want to sort of support it a little bit more, you should make one of the Weasley kids gay, or that sort of thing, like, to bring that… But that issue, again, and this is something that hides on this outskirts of the fandom, it’s not really – I mean, you know, besides fan fiction it’s actually, sex of any sort, even between Harry and Ginny is completely not even alluded to. Unless you support in Book 7 that Ginny did more than kiss him.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Which I heard, but is complete, you know, non-canon.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Anyway…

Andrew: Let’s keep moving along now, though. We have another email from Kimberly Li, 12, of Singapore.

Eric: What?!

Andrew: I love e-mails from Singapore. You know, we do – we do have a good following in Singapore, I have to say. Seems like we get a lot of e-mails…

Eric: We should have a live podcast in Singapore. These people might be caned for listening to us so we should be extra sympathetic.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. [laughs]


Muggle Mail: Banning Books


Andrew: Kimberly writes:

“Dear MuggleCast, the recent news about Albus Dumbledore being gay had not much impact on me as I didn’t really think it was that important. After all, Jo was asked a question and hence, she answered it truthfully. I praise her for that. I really didn’t mind. But now my mom and dad found out about that and are really mean about it. As we are a Christian family, my parents really, well, aren’t really supportive of gays. I myself think it’s against my morals, but bear no grudge against gays, but I really don’t know what to say. Now my parents are thinking of banning the books from me and I really don’t know what to do. I really have to find a way to convince them that Jo is not sick and that ‘Harry Potter’ does not go against the Bible. Please help! Anyway, love the show and keep up the good work. Love, Kimberly.”

This goes back to a segment we did a long time ago called Advice with MuggleCast.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: I think it was just me and Ben – or Ben and I. And we did it for a little bit but it was just the same questions over and over again, but this is a new one. This is good. I’m interested to hear what you guys think. What should she tell her parents?

Laura: Well, Jo herself actually said that there is a lot of, there are a lot of references to Christianity in the books. I mean, it’s really kind of hard to escape that, especially with a British book, you know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Like the quotes on the tombstones at Godric’s Hollow were from the Bible. And there are a lot of comparisons that can be made between Harry’s story and the story of Christ. So, I think that maybe if you presented some of those to your parents…

Eric: So you’re saying if she presented Harry’s tale…

Laura: That might help.

Eric: …as a tale of sacrifice to be much aligned with Christ’s?

Laura: Yes. Yeah, exactly. And even just the good morals of Harry Potter. Whether related to the Bible and Christianity or not, whether – they’re just good morals.

Eric: Obviously, Laura, saying that the book…

Laura: If that doesn’t…

Eric: Saying that the book has morals with them already knowing that Dumbledore’s gay, obviously doesn’t seem like a valid claim if your parents are biased.

Laura: I guess, well, I mean, the thing is, if your parents are completely biased against the gay thing you might – and I mean it sounds like they are – you might have a problem if you can’t convince them that there are other themes in the book that are worthy. I’m not saying that she needs to convince her parents that they need to change their views on homosexuality because that’s their prerogative. I don’t agree with it, but, I mean, I’m not going to tell them what to do. But maybe if you can present some other morals in the book that they can agree with. If anything – I’m always an advocate of you should – you’re, if you can read it and you can understand it you should be allowed to read it. So, I don’t know if you have access to a library, but – and, I’m not trying to approve of people disobeying their parents – but I really think it’s wrong for people to try and censor books from their children.

Eric: And well said. But I mean I think also it’s important to point out that this Dumbledore thing is extra-canoniness. It’s outside of the books. Like, this is something Jo threw in after the books had been written. Whereas people are now going back and trying to find some proof or evidence, it’s nothing – in my opinion there will be nothing definitive because it’s ambiguous in the books. Dumbledore, just because she said that she always saw the character as gay you can’t prove that by any of his actions in the books, with the exception of the letter…

Andrew: Exactly.

Eric: …that he wrote to Grindelwald. You might see more into it, but Dumbledore never abused Harry, never had any of the, you know, never – and we talked about this last week, it’s just, it’s unfounded. Whereas JKR, it’s nothing for your parents to worry about because it’s not – JKR’s opinion did not affect the books.


Muggle Mail: Wormtail


Andrew: Yeah, I agree with that. Definitely. That would be the first thing I would tell my parents if that were the case. And finally an e-mail from Michelle, 40, of Texas. She writes:

“Hey guys. So can we please move on?” Great point. “Dumbledore is gay. It is not a major part of the HP story and I am an HP fan. If I wanted to debate and argue about important philosophical and political ideas in the real world, this is not the podcast I would be listening to. By the way, if you are looking for another character that is possibly gay, I say Wormtail is a safe bet.”

Okay, now Michelle.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: If you want us to stop talking about it, why would you bring up another point for us to discuss?

[Erc laughs]

Eric: Wormtail.

Andrew: I don’t get that. Stop talking about it. But, if you want to talk about another character that’s gay, Wormtail.

Eric: If you guys are going to be philosophical I wouldn’t…

Laura: See, the thing is, I don’t think it was unfounded that we talked about the philosophical and political ideas.

Andrew: Yeah, I do disagree with that point.

Laura: Because it completely relates to what is going on in the world.

Eric: People who listen to us were looking to us saying…

Laura: And I don’t see the problem of bringing some of that into the show.

Eric: “What do you guys make of this, what are we going to think?” You know?

Andrew: Right. And it relates to Harry Potter completely. But, you know, a lot of people at this point – we’ll stop talking about it unless something new develops.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: I’m sure we’re going to get a million more e-mails about it. I will say we have been getting a ton – a ton of feedback. I don’t think we’ve ever gotten this much feedback about a particular show ever.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Every time I check the MuggleCast inbox, you know, we’re literally getting a new e=mail about every ten minutes about, you know, about something else that we said. And they’re adding up; we’re getting quite a few. So, thank you everyone for your feedback. We have been going through all of it. Unfortunately, we do not have the time reply to all of it and put it on the show. Otherwise, we could do another 200 episodes just reading it.

Eric: So, guys, is Wormtail gay?

Andrew: But thank you, everyone.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Michelle asked us a question. We have a right to answer it. We have a sort of responsibility to.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Why? Geez, I think this is unfounded. This is not – Wormtail, why? Just because he’s, geez, he’s bullied a lot, but then that goes with what one of the other rebuttals was saying. Are you going to say that gayness only comes from those who are bullied? You know? I’m just…

Andrew: Yeah, that was my thinking on it, actually.

Eric: Seriously.

Andrew: There’s nothing founded. As much as we try to analyze other characters to see if they’re gay, we’re never going to know, because there’s no hints of any sort of homosexuality in the books.

Laura: No.

Andrew: None whatsoever. So, it’s a moot topic.

Eric: I just think he might not be that great with girls, but that doesn’t mean he’s gay, it just means he’s kind of pathetic and wimpy.


Pickle Crime Stories


Andrew: Yeah. Anyway, we don’t have any voicemails this week and we don’t really have a main discussion because there was more news and things to discuss from last week. However, we’re going to start our second new segment today, it’s called Pickle Crime Stories. A few of you e-mailed this in. This e-mail in particular came in from Christy McGuire, 22 of West Che, West Che…

Eric: West Chester?

Andrew: Oh my god. West Chester, Pennsylvania. She found this article on Comcast.net and it’s been making the rounds all over the Internet. “Man gets probation in pickle assault.” Out of Niles, Michigan.

“Talk about being in a pickle! A judge gave a 35 year-old man probation in a case that involved assault with pickles. According to police reports, the pickle problems began when Bobby Lee Bolin…

Eric: Bobby Lee Bolin of Buchannan.

Andrew: I like that name, Bobby Lee Bolin.

“…of Buchannan…”

Laura: [pronounced correctly] Buchannan.

Andrew: “…was hanging out at the home of his then friend Jody Lee’s home in Buchannan on August 20th. Bolin went to the refrigerator and helped himself to some pickles.”

He must’ve been listening to MuggleCast at the time.

“According to the report, Lee told Bolin he couldn’t afford to feed everyone and not to eat his pickles. Bolin then began yelling and swearing and stormed out, according to our report. Later, Bolin barged back into the house and got into an argument with Lee. Lee told police Bolin slammed him down on the couch and then threw two large pickles at him and said, ‘Here’s your damn pickles!’ Bolin also shoved former friend J.W. Romansky III and beat Lee with a telephone when he triedto call 911, according to the report. Two counts involving Bolin’s assaults were dismissed, as was the charge of cutting or interfering with phone lines. A court judge was quoted as saying, ‘If this is not the silliest case I’ve ever seen in this court room, it’s certainly in the top ten.’ The fact that it’s silly does not mean that it’s not serious. Defense Attorney Robert Lutz said that alcohol appeared to be at the root of Bolin’s problems. Bolin’s sentence included 54 days in jail with credit for 54 days served in one year of probation.”

Eric: This is something Judge Judy would kick ass debating.

Andrew: Oh my gosh.

Eric: “He hit me with pickles.”

Andrew: [imitating Judge Judy] “Your pickles? What, the pickles?”

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Interesting. Very interesting story out of Niles, Michigan. Just goes to show you, some people and their pickles. Here at MuggleCast we are fully supportive of using pickles in any kind in any way, shape or form.

Eric: As weapons and defensive objects. Boomerangs even. What are the…

Andrew: As weapons. Or funny promotional items or catchphrases.

Eric: Or catchphrases. Yeah. Especially catchphrases.

Andrew: [singing] Pickleeesssss!

Eric: [singing] The quilt said fickle pickle-upper


Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul: Earthquake Edition


Andrew: Okay, so I think we’ll wrap up the show today with Chicken Soup: Earthquake Edition!

Eric: Woah!

Laura: Okay. This comes from Anna Luna, 13, from San Jose, California. She writes:

“Dear, MuggleCasters: Around 8:15 on the night of Tuesday the 30th, I was listening to MuggleCast Episode 49 while sitting on my bed and doing my history homework. All of a sudden my bed started shaking. My dad is redoing the garage right now and I share a wall with the garage, so I simply thought that he was sliding something against the wall. But then I heard my mom running in the room across from me and I heard her shout, ‘Earthquake!’ and then watched as she ran to stand under a doorway. It was one of the scariest moments of my life, running to my doorway, clutching my
iPod in my hand. Then I ran outside. Luckily nothing too heavy fell in my room and none of my family was hurt during the 5.6 earthquake. Thank you, MuggleCast, for being there for me during one of the scariest moments of my life. I am forever thankful. Love, Anna Luna.”

That was nice.

Andrew: I’m glad she wasn’t too shaken up.

Eric: [laughs] It is very scary, this whole earthquake thing. Now, speaking of scary, guys, we have – this isn’t – I mean, we missed Halloween, because Halloween wasn’t on a Sunday this year.

Andrew: Oh yeah! We should’ve talked about it. Or we should talk about it.

Eric: Well, we still can because it’s only an hour in, and, you know?


The Casters’ Halloween


Andrew: Yeah. So, what was everyone for Halloween? Eric?

Eric: Well, I ended up just Blickling for Pickle Pack in an orange and black shirt. So, I was a personification of the popular Halloween colors for Halloween. And I must say that that was the most spaced out I’ve ever been for Halloween – the most obscure topic, because last year I was Peter Pan, and the year before that I was Luke Skywalker, and the year before that I was something else. But yeah, so basically I didn’t dress up because I had no parties to go to, no friends, so I had an orange and black shirt, on and you guys can see, and I did three Blickles in that, so that
was pretty cool. But that’s what I did for Halloween.

Andrew: Cool. Laura, what were you for Halloween?

Laura: I actually did not do anything for Halloween. I handed out candy for my dorm room. But actually, I’m in a seminar class right now for first-year students called, “Horror in Fiction and Film,” and our professor actually took us to his house and had a murder mystery dinner on Monday, and I was a maid.

Eric: I thought you were going to…

Andrew: Oooh!

Laura: More specifically – what?

Eric: I thought you were going to say you were amazed. But you were a maid. [laughs]

Laura: No, no, no. Yeah, so I was a maid and I was unfortunately not the killer in the dinner party. I was very disappointed.

Andrew: Awww.

Laura: I wanted to be the killer.

Eric: Who died?

Laura: It was a dinner based around the idea of being – of like being on the movie set of like a horror film, and the person who died was like the big main actor behind it, so they were all trying to figure out who did it. So…

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Eric: You mean, whodunnit? [laughs]

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Andrew: Well, I was Hillary Clinton for Halloween.

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Eric: Were you, really?

Andrew: Yes.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I – but I was Hillary Clinton with a manly touch. I didn’t really – like, I had time to go to the costume store and get the Hillary Clinton mask, but then I also got this, like, pimp hat. It was a yellow and pink like…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: …felt hat. And so, I… [laughs] So, and then I showed up with a – I got this necklace, too, but it was way too long, and I did all that. And I wore a sweater vest and some nice jeans and I went to a Halloween party, where I got completely…

Eric: Candied.

Andrew: I had a lot of fun, and completely showered with candy, and then…

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: And then – yeah, that was it. So, when I walked into this Halloween party… [laughs] I walked in. I was a couple of hours late because I was actually seeing Order of the Phoenix that night, too. They were playing it at my school. So, I walked in and everyone was like, “Hillary!” And I gave everyone like a presidential wave, you know, when you sort of like cup your hand?

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Or what is that…

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: …the queen wave or something? Whatever it is.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, so I did that for – but then I couldn’t breathe under the mask or see anything, so I took it off right away. So, that was it. That was it, that was my Halloween. Was anyone – everyone may remember that a couple of years ago, we had [laughs] my listener challenge was to dress up as me for Halloween, but I don’t think anyone did that this year. Someone did in my school, but not…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: …a listener.

Eric: Someone at your school. Your school has a cult following.

Laura: Really?

Eric: One of its clubs is the Andrew Sims Fan Group, and it’s at your school.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And all of the underclassmen…

Andrew: It is, it is.

Eric: …still dress like you, yeah.

Andrew: So, it is.

Eric: But you were Harry Potter for Halloween, weren’t you? Last year?

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: That was funny.

Andrew: I was, and I was going to be Harry Potter again this year, but I couldn’t get my costume in time, so…

Eric: Yeah. I mean, I could’ve just done that, but I figured it would be a cop out, so…

Andrew: Yeah, that’s what someone else told me, if I was – especially again. And, Eric, I’m sure – you’re like Harry Potter everyday. You’re walking around in that cloak.

Eric: Yeah, everywhere I go.

Laura: Do you remember when we were in London?

Andrew: And Eric walked around in his cloak.

Laura: Yeah, and we were just sitting there, like, “Did he see us?”

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Oh, when was that? When was that? I’m forgetting the…

Laura: When we – it was like when we first got to the hotel.

Andrew: Oh, yeah, when we first got to the hotel.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Oh yeah, when we first got to the hotel, Jamie, Laura, and I are checking in, and, you know, this kid with a Hogwarts cloak walks in, and I won’t lie, Eric, we were sort of embarrassed.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: We didn’t really want to associate ourselves with you.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Given what you were wearing.

Eric: Right.

Andrew: So, we ignored – we pretended – we were waiting to check in, and we were having problems checking in because of, like, a credit card issue. And we were like, “Oh, my god, hopefully he doesn’t see us and walk over to us, it’s going to look like we’re even crazier, not to mention our credit card’s not working, but there’s this guy walking around with a cloak with us,” but apparently you didn’t see us.

Eric: Yeah, well, it was funny because that same guy – the bellman or the valet guy, who also did the valet. No, he was at the desk for holding your bags, so if you were waiting to check in as I was, because I arrived at the hotel probably like two, three hours before the other MuggleCasters were due in, and so I had a bit of time to kill. And it was really hot, and I was like, “Well, okay, so I have nothing to do. I’m going to go down and check out Waterstones,” and so I did. And there were all these fans in there. I was like, “Wow. So I’m going to go back to the hotel, and I’m going to change.” So, I used the back room, sort of back elevator area, to grab my suitcase…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: …where all the suitcases were, and I asked the guy, I said, well, you know, “What’s the best thing – you know, what’s the best way to do it?” He was like, “Okay, well, I’ll just put you back here and just, you know, change whatever you need.” And so…

Andrew: Well, there was a bathroom. There was a bathroom in the lobby, too.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Eric: There was a bathroom, but there was something that prevented me from using it. So I was in the back with the suitcases, and I put on my robes. And meanwhile, the guy’s like waiting, right? Waiting for me, and I’m just like…

Andrew: That’s kind of weird.

Eric: …putting the socks, and the undershirt, and the vest, and the tie, and the cloak, and the wand, and the… [laughs] Yeah, so I’m getting it all together, and he keeps checking back, because like, “What are you doing?” And I was like, “Well, I’m in this, you know?” So, I burst out, right, into these robes into the lobby of this hotel and no one cared, no one looked. So, I assumed I was invisible…

Andrew: Ohhh.

Eric: …when you guys came in, so…

Laura: I’m sure they’re used to it in London. I feel like, you know?

Eric: Yeah, really, that’s…

Laura: There’s probably a lot of American tourists that come and…

Eric: Laura, what upsets me is, right before I did run into 9 and 3/4, but the video never really caught. We had to…

Laura: Yeah, I had to take that video like three times.

Eric: I did it three times, too, and my toe freaking hurt.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: I broke my toe doing that, and I don’t have video.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: I was unimpressed with how I did it the first time, and then the other two times the video didn’t take, so…

Laura: Yeah, my bad.

Eric: Yeah, well, anyway. Do it again one day.

Andrew: So, that was our Halloween. [sighs] And…

Laura: Halloween’s just not that exciting when you’re older, you know? It’s not the same.

Eric: It should be, though. Like, honestly. Halloween – people should not let Halloween die. There was talk about Halloween dying, everybody now is creepy in the world and you get tainted candy, and I don’t know many parents that take their kids trick-or-treating and stuff anymore. I still think it should be a big deal.

Andrew: Oh, there’s plenty. There’s plenty. There are plenty of people.

Eric: There’s plenty? Awesome. Because the whole thing with my neighborhood was everybody grew up so there were no more kids so the parents never took them around anymore, and that was the sort of thing. Like all the people in my neighborhood moved in around the same time and had kids about the same age which was great, but now it’s obviously – it’s a little less popular for Halloween.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: So, that’s what I’m noticing.

Andrew: Well, hey. I think that’s about it for us today.

Laura: I have a whole bunch of studying to do tonight.

Eric: Me too.

Andrew: Oh come on, it’s 8:30 on a Friday night, what else would Laura be doing but studying?

Laura: Okay. Okay. Let me just take a second to defend myself here.

Andrew: Whoa. No, no, no.

Eric: No, let’s not. We’re running overtime, we have to end it now, Laura.

Andrew: We’re out of time.

Eric: We got to edit it out.


Show Close


Andrew: We’re out of time. Hey, Laura. What is the P.O. Box, if people want to send us some parcel mail?

Laura: It’s:

P.O. Box 3151

Cumming, Georgia

30028

Andrew: Thank you, Laura, say no more for the rest of the show. You can also call in a voicemail, question, comment, or listener rebuttal. Just use one of our three numbers. If you’re in the United States, you can dial 1 218 20 MAGIC. If you’re in the United Kingdom, you can dial 0 208 144 0677, and if you’re in Australia, you can dial 028 0035 668. There is also the Skype username MuggleCast. You can just download Skype for free over at Skype.com and give us a call. It’s free internet telephony, so it’s wonderful. You can also visit MuggleCast.com for a handy feedback form to contact any one of us, or you can use our first name at staff dot mugglenet dot com.

Eric: Woot, woot!

Andrew: Don’t forget our community outlets. We have: MySpace, Facebook, YouTubeE, Frappr, Last.fm. Coming soon: Forums and and the Fanlisting.

You can also dig the show at Digg.com, vote for us once a month at Podcast Alley, and rate and review us at
Yahoo! Podcasts.

Oh, just a small thought before we wrap up today. Since we’re going
to try and hang off the “Dumbledore is gay” stuff from now on – I mean, we’ll still include an e-mail or two – don’t fill up the e-mail box and voicemail box with just that kind of stuff. We can talk about more things that J.K. Rowling said at the reading. We’re open to doing that – no pun intended. And…you know. So some general feedback would be nice. General questions, comments, main discussions would be nice. And I believe that’s it for this week’s episode. Next week maybe we’ll come back with some voicemails. Maybe. And some fun. Some more fun content. We’re trying to
get Jamie back on the show. There is a good chance that his Internet – well I won’t say, “good” chance – there is a chance that his Internet is working – is capable of doing the podcast form his dorm at Durham.

[Show music begins]

Andrew: So, we’ll continue working on that. Maybe he’ll be back, because we still haven’t heard what he thinks about this whole Dumbledore is gay situation, although, nobody seems to care anymore. So… [laughs]

Eric: God, it’s amazing how much people care one week and then the next week…

Andrew: Yeah, yeah, we just talk them out, I think.

Eric: But maybe they’re tired of it. Yeah, I mean fair enough.

Andrew: Exactly. Maybe we’ll update the poll and just ask if people are bored of it, just out of curiosity.

Eric: Well, I would wait a week. Wait until next week’s show comes out.

Andrew: Yeah, we’ll wait until we release this one, so we don’t know that nobody wants to listen to this week’s show.

Eric: Yeah, exactly.

Andrew: So anyway, thank you, everyone for listening. Thank you to our transcribers for transcribing these shows every week. Thanks to everyone. Thank you, everyone. Most importantly, thanks to the transcribers, thanks to the listeners.

Laura: Awww, that’s so sweet.

Andrew: Well, because we’d be nothing without both of those.

Laura: It’s true.

Eric: Thank you, everyone. Happy Halloween. Oh, do you guys like pumpkin pie?

Laura: No.

Andrew: Hey, we don’t thank the transcribers and then keep talking more. It’s a bad idea.

Eric: You don’t like pumpkin pie?

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: Oh, that’s true.

Eric: Who doesn’t like pumpkin pie?

Laura: They’re going to come kill us in the night.

Eric: I love pumpkin pie.

Andrew: No, no, I love pumpkin pie, too. Next week’s main discussion will be “pumpkin pie, pumpkin pie.” Okay so, once again, I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: I am Eric Scull.

Laura: And I’m Laura Thompson.

Andrew: We will see everyone next week for Episode 119. Bye, everyone!

Laura: Bye!

Eric: Bye!

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Transcript #117

MuggleCast 117 Transcript


Show Intro


[Show music stars]

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Andrew: Today’s MuggleNet podcast is brought to you by Borders. In May, thousands of Harry Potter fans descended upon New Orleans for the Phoenix Rising Conference. Borders was there to take in the sites and share a lively discussion of the series that has bewitched the world with some of Harry’s most dedicated fans. Listen in and watch the action yourself. Check our The Phoenix Rising, Borders Book Club discussion at BordersMedia.com/HarryPotter, or click on the Borders banner at the top of the MuggleNet page.

Ben: This weeks show is brought to you by Audible.com. The internets leading provider in spoken word entertainment. Get a free audio book download of your choice when you sign up today. Log on to Audible.com/MuggleCast today for details.

Micah: Because… [Ben impersonating Dumbledore] “it is our choices Harry” …this is MuggleCast Episode 117 for October 2th8, 2007.

[Show music continues to play]

Ben: [imitating Dumbledore] It is our choices Harry, far more than our sexuality that determines who we truly are.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Oh boy, oh boy. Dumbledore is gggggg-great.

[Laura and Eric laugh]

Laura: Well, that too.

Andrew: [whispers] Should we say it? Should we say it?

Laura: I don’t know. First the ‘B’ word, and now…

Andrew: Well, JKR said it, Andrew. JKR said it.

Ben: So, if Jo says it, it’s all right.

Laura: Yes.

Ben: Dumbledore’s gay. And I’m back, by the way.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: In other news, Ben Schoen’s back on the show.

Laura: Dumbledore being gay pails in comparison to Ben coming back. Just so you all know.

Eric: There’s only one thing that presieve Ben coming back and thats Dumbledore being gay. So, we got that out of the way. Now Ben’s back.

[Laura laughs]

Ben: That’s what I was waiting on, actually. I was just waiting for some major thing, random shaking news. You know?

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: Then I decided…

Andrew: That’s what you’re all about.

Ben: Yep, shaking up the fandom. It’s what I do.

Andrew: Anyway, we’re going to be talking a lot about Dumbledore being gay. It’s a big revalation and we’ll all explain our reactions and a lot of people are excited to hear what we have to say
about it. We will be talking about that today. We’re going to be talking about…

Ben: Well, one quick thing, though. I think the funniest thing that’s come out of this Dumbledore gay thing, though, is on facebook today I saw a group called ‘Dumbledore’s Army: The New Gay/Straight Alliance’. I thought that was awesome.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Honestly, Ben.

Andrew: That’s great.

Ben: What?

Eric: No, nevermind. Nevermind.

Andrew: That is very good and so I’ve created a new website where I am taking a stand against this issue…

Ben: Dumbledoreisnotgay.com. [laughs]

Andrew: No, you ruined it! You ruined it! Also, my voice is slowly recovering . I’m Andrew Sims.

Ben: I’m Ben Schoen.

Eric: I’m Eric Scull.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: And I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

[Show music continues to play]


News


Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum is in the MuggleCast news center with this past weeks top Harry Potter-Dumbledore-Is-Gay news stories.

Micah: All right, thanks Andrew. At her final tour stop in Ontario, Canada on Tuesday, JK Rowling received questions from the press concerning her revelation that Dumbledore was gay:

“The plot is what it is,” said Rowling. “(Dumbledore) did have, as I say, this rather tragic infatuation, but that was a key part of the ending of the story so there it is. Why would I put the key part of my ending of my story in Book 1?”

David Thewlis, the actor who plays Professor Lupin in the Harry Potter series recently did an interview while promoting his new book, The Late Hector Kipling in Toronto for the International Festival of Authors. One of the questions he answered was in response to the recent news concerning Dumbledore’s character, saying he initially believed Lupin to be gay due to initial conversations with Prisoner of Azkaban director Alfonso Cuaron.

The Harry Potter series picked up two prizes at the 2007 Scream Awards hosted by Spike TV. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix won in the catergory of “Best Sequel” while actor Ralph Fiennes was named “Most Vile Villian” for his role as Lord Voldemort.

The awards were handed out on October 19th at the Greek Theatre in Los Angeles, California.

The Wiltshire Times had a report earlier this week from the first day of on-location filming for Half-Blood Prince, which is set to be released on November 21st, 2008. The scene involving Harry and Dumbledore going to visit Slughorn is the scene the crews are working on, and Dan Radcliffe is scheduled to be on set. Filming has continued throughout the week with various photos and reports emerging online. For the latest information be sure to check out MuggleNet.com.

Director Guillermo Del Toro recently had a chat with MTV about the Potter movies. In this new interview, he mentions that he had previously turned down Prisoner of Azkaban because the films were too “bright and happy and full of light.” But, after seeing the previous two adaptations, he has begun to reconsider the offer. “They seem to be getting eerie and darker… If they come back to me, I’ll think about it.” Del Toro is known for his work on Pan’s Labyrinth and the Hellboy series.

The French and German translations of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows were both released on Saturday. Hundreds of fans queued for hours to get their hands on the book, with large release parties being organized in several towns and cities.

Finally, according to HarryLatino.com, the DVD for Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix has been released in various Latin American countries including Chile. You can see video of the opening menu as well as individual screenshots by logging on to MuggleNet.com.

Remember the DVD of the fifth film will be released in the UK on November 12 and in the US on December 11.

That’s all the news on this October 28th, 2007 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Andrew: All right, thank you Micah.

Micah: You are welcome.


Initial Dumbledore Reaction


Andrew: You know, Micah, as our news anchor – as the man sitting in the MuggleCast News Studio. [strange noise] My mic just shook. Is that all of the news coming into the studio right now? I mean, that’s all everyone wants to know about. That’s all the media’s been covering, Dumbledore is gay.

Micah: Yeah. That’s what it’s all about. I mean, even from all the actors. David Thewlis and Tom Felton. That’s all anybody is talking about. Forget about Half-Blood Prince filming. Forget about awards and all that other crap. It’s all about Dumbledore.

Andrew: It’s hot gossip, I have to say.

Micah: I know, and it…

Ben: Well see, here’s what happened. The night that – Andrew was there. Andrew, you and Laura both were there when she said it.

Andrew: And Micah.

Laura: And Micah.

Ben: And Micah. Yeah, you three were there. And I’m sitting at home – Or actually, I’m in the car and I look down at my phone and I have a new text message and it’s from Andrew. And it says, “Dumbledore is gay. Jo said so.” [laughs] And I was just like, “What?”

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: I was like, “Are you serious?” And then a little bit later I was with Emerson. And he got a phone call from one of his friends at school. They’re like, “Is it true? Is it true?” And it was just like the night was crazy.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah [laughs] It’s amazing. Laura, Micah, and I – when we were sitting there and she said it. Well, let’s – I mean, we weren’t going to talk about this until later on, but I guess we have to now.

Laura: Yeah. [laughs]

Andrew: We’re just all a little excited. When we first heard it, [laughs] my mouth actually just dropped. And I just started applauding. I thought it was the funniest thing she could have said.

Laura: Yeah. It was fabulous.

Andrew: Ever. [laughs] Micah and Laura, what were your reactions?

Laura: I cheered. I thought it was great. Like, I remember everybody around me kind of gasped a little bit.

Andrew: Mhm.

Laura: And then it seemed like there was this simultaneous just roar of applause and cheering. It was really, really fantastic.

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: Everyone received it very well.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I was shocked. I really didn’t know how to react to that. Then, like both of you said, there was just this simultaneous applause after…

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: …a huge pause in the audience. But, I was shocked.

Laura: And there were a couple of guys who stood up in the audience, who were clearly very supportive of this. So…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: I guess it’s quite liberating, too. Such as…

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: There’s this sort of, you know, iconic figure and character being homosexual. And it’s really good like that. That was really – I mean a lot of people are quite happy with it. As well. And I am, too. Just the openness that she approached it with. She wasn’t afraid to say it. She said it, she outted him.

Andrew: Jo actually said in an interview later on – actually at a press release in, press thing in Canada. Excuse me. That it actually inspired someone to come out right there at Carnegie Hall. So that was nice. Micah, was that you?

Micah: Yeah, yeah.

[Ben and Laura laugh]

Micah: I just stood up and went crazy. No.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: No, no. That wasn’t me.

Ben: We’ll talk more about this later.


MuggleCast Down Under


Andrew: Yeah. We’ll spend another hour on it, I’m sure. But Eric, there were two big MuggleCast events going on in – somewhere that none of have been to before.

Eric: Right.

Andrew: Except you.

Eric: Yeah. And you guys should definitely come down. I was in both Sydney and…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Melbourne, Australia. Come down under, you guys. I’m serious. It was actually two great shows…

Ben: It’s only like a 60-year flight to get there.

Eric: Yeah, it is a 60-year flight. Now it’s just about, I reckon, about 19 hours or so. So it’s not that bad. And you guys have been to London. Well, actually to London from the east coast is six hours. Anyway, look guys, the MuggleCast Down Under was a success. Both the events were freaking amazing. It was really great to see our Australian fans. And guys, I know you don’t realize this, but our Australian fans were quite competent. They were quite keen to talk about Harry Potter. They all had really interesting theories. It was all just really good stuff. So that’s my status report. The shows were quite successful. Thank you guys for contributing, especially Micah. Everbody on this show, right now, did contribute. But half of them were a little bit late on that front. So, we didn’t actually get to show you guys, Laura and Andrew. And actually, Micah, we showed your – because Micah did a segment, he did a news segment which was fantastic. We showed that at both events. But, then you three guys did a “Dumbledore is gay. Oh my god!” video afterwards, which didn’t make it into the show. But that’s okay, because that’s what we’re talking about now. Anyway, thank you guys for contributing footage. I really appreciated that. And also, right now the status is there will be video of both events. Especially the Sydney one. I wanted to talk to you, Andrew, about this. Because the Sydney video, there’s actually Journalism and Media students who are working on editing it. And they had this whole camera crew there, doing the thing. And they’re going to be editing. So I expect the video to be quite exciting. And I said this at Sydney, I think maybe we should do this as a video podcast, do you reckon? That could be possibly released on the feed?

Andrew: What non-linear video application are they using to edit this video?

Eric: Oh, I don’t know. What non-linear video application should they be using, Andrew?

Andrew: Final Cut Pro.

Eric: Really? Okay. I’ll put in a request for Final Cut Pro.

Andrew: But, anyway.

Eric: Anyway, so the only other thing is that the overall turnout of the people is actually – it was quite shocking. We had great shows. About 80 people showed up at either show. But, it was only half the people who we received RSVPs from.

Andrew: Tsk, tsk, Aussies.

Eric: Tsk, tsk, Aussies. Now everyone who did come out – and it’s possible, I mean, in Sydney there was – It was during exams and stuff. So, we don’t know exactly why, but people RSVPed and then didn’t show up. And it’s just created a teensy problem because we booked these big, big venues expecting more people than RSVP’d and we got half. So what happened, is just as a general rule of thumb, we didn’t sell enough t-shirts to cover the costs of the show. Basically. So, what we’re doing is, actually guys, the Sydney and the MuggleCast Down Under t-shirts are officially memorabilia. What we’re doing is we’re shipping them, we’re posting them. We have them on sale, all our remaining stock of MuggleCast t-shirts. If you didn’t get to make it to MuggleCast Down Under, but really wanted to and you’re still in Australia. And for whatever reason you RSVPed and couldn’t make it, we would really appreciate it if you still support the show and you can still get a cool MuggleCast Down Under t-shirt. And we post that to you. So, details will be on MuggleCast.com about that. It’s just a little, teensy problem. But if you still want to support the show, lots of people – I mean, now you’ll see pictures on the Facebooks and everything. There’s all sorts of albums. It was a really good event. And the fan response just shows, guys, that you guys should come down to Aussieville because that’s where it’s all going on. There were a lot of good stuff.

Andrew: Well, I guess we have to roll a few more GoDaddy ads before we do that. That’s pretty expensive.

Eric: Hmmm. Well, and understandable, but it was great fun, and I want to just thank everybody at HP Events Australia for that. That was really good. That was good fun.

Andrew: All right, we’re going to jump straight into news discussion now. That’s basically all this show is going to be about because JK Rowling revealed quite the good amount of information at her final US reading in New York City at Carnegie Hall on—oh, what was the date?

Laura: October 19th.

Andrew: It was October 20th? 19th? Was it Friday night?

Laura: Yup.


Order of the Phoenix DVD


Andrew: Oh. Okay. But first I want to get to two news items I thought were worth discussing. The first one, and this happened a couple weeks ago, Order of the Phoenix to offer digital download right on the DVD. So basically, you’ll be able to take the movie file on the DVD – I assume it will be separate from the actual file that you’re watching in your DVD player. You’re going to be able to take that and specifically format it for your Zune – like anyone has one of those – and iPod. And iPhone and iPod Touch. So you’ll be able to watch these on your portable media player for no extra cost, which is really cool, all you have to do is buy the DVD and then you can watch it on the go. Anyone else think that’s cool, or am I just really nerdy?

Ben: That is awesome.

Laura: That’s pretty sweet. No, no, that’s really cool, if you actually can afford an iPhone or an iPod Touch.

Andrew: Santa’s coming, Laura. Santa’s coming.

[Ben laughs]

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: I don’t know, guys, what do you think? Because this is – portable DVD – they’re experimenting, which is good. I like the idea that they’re experimenting with portable media and video and format and stuff, so I really don’t know, I don’t know what to think.

Andrew: Well, I think it’s good. There’s the piracy thing, of course, there’s a question of piracy, but I don’t know how digitally protected it could be. But we’ll see when it comes out. It was just an interesting story.

Eric: Well, didn’t they hack the iPhone like three hours after its arrival?

Andrew: Yeah, but that has nothing to do with movie files.

Eric: Well, it can’t be much more…

Andrew: That was just so you could put applications and stuff on it, like my iPhone.

Eric: Ahhh. [laughs]


Half-Blood Prince Filming


Andrew: And then another story, on location Half-Blood Prince filming has commenced, so basically filming is now underway. Filming occurred in Lacock, somewhere in England.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Oh, grow up. Grow up.

Micah: Oh you knew that was coming.

Andrew: No, Lacock.

Ben: Was Dumbledore present in Lacock?

Andrew: Dumbledore was present, and Michael Gambon was actually present in Lacock. He was there to film the scene where he is arriving with Harry to go meet with Slughorn.

Ben: [condescending tone] Oh, no, I can’t even stand his relationship – I can’t even look at his relationship with Harry in the same way anymore.

Andrew: I know. We’ll get to that too. Moving on.

Eric: Yeah, we will, actually.

Andrew: They’ve been filming there for a couple days. They plan on filming from – it’s a heavy, heavy filming schedule. It’s like from 5 PM to 5 AM every day until Saturday night. So they’re going to be busy there. Of course all the neighbors there are very excited because they’re filming Harry Potter in their area, so that’s all very exciting, and more filming reports will be coming out frequently now that filming is seriously underway. At least on location filming. We usually don’t get many set reports. Hopefully, we’re going to be invited to the set again. I can’t wait to go. [pause] Nobody was listening. The joke was that I can’t wait to go again. Forget you guys.

Laura: Oh, well, no, no, I figured that’s what would happen, so it just…

Micah: Yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: I didn’t even think about it.


Carnegie Hall Reading


Andrew: Oh, well if I have your blessing now, then I’m there. Thank you. Makes things a lot easier. Okay, now let’s move on to the events that occurred at Carnegie Hall. We’re going to get to the “Dumbledore is gay” later. We’ll save that for last because there’s so much to talk about. But Laura and Micah, while we were there, I have to say Jo was in a very peppy mood. She was in a very good mood, it seems.

Laura: Yeah, she really was. She’s very enthusiastic.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Like, when you compare this reading to the reading at Radio City Music Hall, this just easily trumped it, I thought.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah.

Laura: She was just very enthusiastic and very into the reading. For those of you who don’t know, she read from the part right after Ron came back and where Hermione essentially flipped out on him, and it was great. Her imitation of Hermione ticked off was just spot on. It was really, really good.

Andrew: Right, yeah. And I think the thing with Radio City was that she was still writing the book. With this reading there was a lot less pressure.

Laura: Yeah, I think so too.

Andrew: Although I don’t understand how you can be so happy at your reading when you know you have 2,000 books to sign in a matter of minutes.

Micah: I don’t know, I thought she felt a lot more comfortable with the adult audience. She seemed really happy to be talking to an audience that was comprised more of adults than children. I could really – that kind of sense that she gave off early on when you said that she was feeling just into the whole thing a little bit more than we had seen her in any other place.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: Yeah, well…

Eric: Do you reckon that’s from talking to so many schools before hand, she was ready to talk to adults?

Micah: She was sick of all the kids?

Andrew: [laughs] No.

Eric: No, no, I’m asking.

Andrew: There were quite a few kids there, I mean don’t get us wrong. The majority was kids.

Laura: But didn’t – yeah.

Ben: But I think there’s so many factors that would play into her mood during the reading. I mean, what if for example when she was going to Radio City she stubbed her toe before she went on stage. You know what I mean?

Laura: Oh, and I’m not saying that that was bad.

Ben: You really can’t say that Radio City – I mean, sure, she may have been happier and the one at Carnegie Hall may have been more pepped up, but it could have a lot to do with, you know, she’s finished the books now, a lot of the pressure’s off her like Andrew said.

Andrew: Oh, yeah.

Ben: But I don’t think it necessarily – I mean, there’s so many factors that anything we say is just speculation, but that’s what we do. [laughs]

Andrew: Well, yeah. Don’t get us wrong. We’re not trying to analyze it, we’re just saying she was in a good mood.

Laura: Yeah, definitely.

Eric: Which is good, which is good.

Laura: I think a lot of it had to do with her being able to address more adult issues, too.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: I mean, kind of leading into some of the stuff that she talked about, we got an answer about Aberforth and those goats.

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: Which she filtered for kids.

Andrew: She did filter it for kids, because it was what? An eight year old asking the question?

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: [laughs] Which we can talk about that in a little bit, too, because I don’t know how that girl came up with that question.

Andrew: Yeah. We have all the questions here.

[Eric laughs]


Question: Did Neville Find Love?


Andrew: We’ll go through them in the order that they were asked, except for the Dumbledore one, we’ll save for last. So, the first one was about Neville and if he had found love. And Jo said that he actually ended up marrying the landlady from the Leaky Cauldron, which happened to be Hannah Abbott, which sounds like a good match, and living above the Leaky Cauldron would have impressed his students at Hogwarts, so that’s why he was living there. And then married Hannah Abbott, so good for him.

Laura: That’s happy.

Eric: Hmmm… Yeah the… Harry sort of blows up his aunt and that gets him a room above the Leaky Cauldron and Neville has to marry the landlady to get a room above the Leaky Cauldron.

Micah: Yeah.


Question: Why Molly Killed Bellatrix?


Andrew: The next question, which I thought was a very good question, it’s one of those questions we were like dying, well I personally was dying to hear the answer to. Interestingly though, still no answer about the veil. But anyway, someone asked her why she chose Molly to kill Bellatrix and she wanted to, this I think was basically our thinking anyway, she wanted to show that Molly was a really talented witch even though she spent most of her time in the kitchen, so she sort of comes out of nowhere and attacks. And then she also wanted to compare the obsession Bellatrix had with Voldemort to Molly’s maternal love for her children. So that was very fitting.

Laura: Yeah, I liked it a lot.

Andrew: It was very nice.

Laura: I thought that was good because I know even I felt, like before the book came out that I wanted Neville to finish Bellatrix off, but just thinking about her answer and thinking about the way she did it in the book, I thought it was perfect.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: And she did address the whole Neville side of it too, she said…

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: …she knew that a lot of people figured that it was going to be Neville because of the torturing of his parents but she decided to go with Molly instead.


Question: What if Arthur Had Died in Order of the Phoenix?


Andrew: Right. So the next question she was asked referred to what would have happened if Arthur had died in Order of the Phoenix, which was also a very good question because she revealed at one of her, I think it was the online chat session a while ago, after Deathly Hallows came out, she revealed that Arthur was one of the characters that got the reprieve, only it was actually in Book 5. So Jo said that it would’ve changed Books 5, 6, and 7 and that Ron’s character would have lost his sense of humor and it would’ve taken away Harry’s refuge at the Weasley home. And she also mentioned that Ron’s humor stemmed from insecurities and immaturity and that he was the last to become an adult by facing his fears in the last book. So, that was also a very good question.

Eric: Hmmm. Yeah that is interesting. Though, she doesn’t say though does she if – I know you said she didn’t answer the veil thing – but if Arthur Weasley died in Book 5 would Sirius still have at the end?

Laura: No, she didn’t say anything about that.

Eric: Oh okay, cool, cool, cool. Just checking.

Micah: Well, didn’t she say something about, and I could be wrong, killing off two of his father figures in one book wouldn’t have been a good idea?

Laura: I don’t remember…

Micah: You guys remember that at all?

Laura: …it specifically.

Andrew: I don’t remember that either.

Micah: Okay. I’m making it up. Anyway…

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: I thought I heard something about that, but maybe not.


Question: What is with Aberforth’s Goat?


Andrew: All right well, Micah, the next question really got you excited.

Laura: [laughs] What?

Andrew: An eight-year-old girl named Mia came up to and asked about Aberforth’s goat, and Jo asked her age and said that just for her – she said at the very end this answer was just for you, [laughs] which was very funny. So she asked about Aberforth’s goat and Jo said that the goats were easy to keep clean and that they had curly horns.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: And the audience basically just exploded at that because it was funny on multiple levels. I guess we won’t go into it but I think most mature listeners to our program will get what she’s trying to say. [whispering] Aberforth had a very special fascination with goats. We’ll just leave it at that.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Wait. Aberforth liked goats?

Andrew: Yes.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: He did.

Micah: They have quite the family.

Eric: What?

Micah: You know that?

Andrew: Dumbledore…

Eric: That’s not cannon.

Andrew: …or Micah was standing…

Eric: That’s not cannon at all.

Andrew: …standing up and applauding for that.

Micah: I was. That question – I was standing up. It was a little awkward, but you know?

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: I think this whole Aberforth and the goat thing is controversial. Why isn’t that getting just as much attention as the Dumbledore thing?

Andrew: Because nobody cares about Aberforth. He’s a secondary character and the goat…

Ben: Because we’ll get to that later why I – why personally why I think that Dumbledore is getting a lot more attention.

Andrew: Is it going to be a “give me a butterbeer?”

Micah: Should be.

Ben: Maybe an impromptu one. [laughs]

Andrew: Impromptu one.

Ben: Yeah, I think Andy’s article…

Eric: As opposed to planned…

Ben: ..was a “give me a butterbeer.”

Eric: Do you actually plan these butterbeer things?


Question: How did Ron know Parseltongue?


Andrew: It was. You should just read that and make it your own. So the next question was the Dumbledore question, we’ll get to that later like I said. And then she was asked about Parseltongue. And I think the question – questioner said to her, you know, how could Ron learn it so quickly and Jo answered that Ron had mastered one sound but it wouldn’t be a language someone could learn. Which is another thing…

Ben: I think that sounds so bogus though.

Andrew: It really does. It really does.

Ben: How can Ron master a sound? You know what I mean? I thought that…

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: How can he master the sound that means open? You know what I mean? How would he get up there…

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: How would he get up there and know what open was?

Laura: He heard Harry say it in the second book though didn’t he?

Eric: Oh and he was paying so much damn attention to the sounds he was making.

Ben: [laughs] Yeah.

Eric: The sound it makes – the sound of that…

Ben: And the way…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Because he’s thinking at that moment when he’s trying to rescue his sister and is about to encounter the…

Laura: Yeah, but…

Eric: …giant snake skin. Oh I should remember this…

Laura: Haven’t we seen that…

Eric: …in case I ever need to come back down here.

Ben: [laughs] Yeah.

Laura: Haven’t we seen that he has like a really good…

Eric: A photographic memory?

Laura: No. Like, haven’t we seen that he like has kind of a talent with voices? Like at one point he mimics… Who is it?

Ben: I know, but what I’m saying…

Laura: Gosh I can’t remember. I feel like he mimics a character at one point.

Ben: I know but okay…

Laura: And I’m not saying it’s valid justification, I’m just saying that she did kind of lead up to it.

Ben: Okay. Not really because here’s what the argument I’m making is that going up there – and the word open – think about how many words there are in the English dictionary. Okay? There’s thousands and millions of words. If in Parseltongue there has to be something equivalent to each word, in some way whether it’s, like the phrasing may be different or whatever, but how would he get up there an just know to randomly hiss? Like, you know what I mean like, how would he know to do open because there’s so many things, there’s so many words. Like if I didn’t know a language, if I didn’t know Spanish, and I got up and I needed to say “open” in Spanish, I wouldn’t know what to do. I would have no idea what to do. You know what I mean?

Eric: Oh wait, Ben. Are you…

Ben: Is this making sense?

Eric: Are you debating that Ron – sorry, are you arguing that Ron shouldn’t have known what or shouldn’t have listened to what Harry said and been able to reproduce it accurately? Or are you saying that Harry shouldn’t have been able to open the chamber in Book 2 by just saying, “open”? Do you think he should have said instead like, “give me cheesy puffs or something”? And you know…

Ben: No, I’m saying Ron, Ron shouldn’t have been able to open the chamber.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Oh well, yeah.

Ben: Because he didn’t – that one sound – I don’t care if he heard Harry say it because like you said he was in the moment he wasn’t actually going to remember what that sounded like.

Eric: Oh, no, right. No, I get exactly what you’re saying, yeah. You’re right and I mean how much diversity – I mean you’ve probably got to use dialect. It’s just that, I feel like that was a weak point, and JKR just wanted to move on with it.

Ben: Yeah.

Eric: But I think that’s an obvious flaw in Book 7.

Ben: Let’s move on, too.


Question: What was in Dumbledore’s Letter in Book 1?


Andrew: Yeah. Next question was, and these are really a great set of questions, what was in Dumbledore’s letter to the Dursley’s in Book 1. Jo responded by saying that Petinua had wanted to go to Hogwarts, and by taking in Harry, she was taking in a part of the world that she never participated in. Because, like I just said, that we’d found out that Petunia wanted to go to Hogwarts. Which I guess is a pretty nice explanation. Better than some.

Ben: That is a good explanation, I think.

Eric: I liked it, yeah.

Ben: I mean, that makes sense to what she would say.

Andrew: Right.

Ben: To what Harry would say. I mean, excuse me, what Dumbledore would have said to Petunia. Sorry. [laughs].

Eric: Yeah, so I’m confused guys, just because – I think this is a great answer, but are you sure that Dumbledore said that Petunia couldn’t go to Hogwarts? Because I think I remember him saying she could if she wanted to, even though she’s a muggle? Because I honestly thought somewhere in the book when it was talking about that, that he had said she could, that he would make some kind of strange allowance. Because I know normally muggles can’t see Hogwarts. I think somewhere in the book, didn’t it say he could make an allowance for her, even though muggles can’t normally see Hogwarts and all that stuff?

Laura: I don’t think that he said that, I think that Lily was trying to give Petunia hope.

Andrew: Ahhh. Yeah.

Laura: Like she said something along the lines of maybe he would consider it, or something along those lines.

Eric: Oh.

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: You know, maybe if you appealed to him he might, but I don’t think Dumbledore said that.

Eric: Okay, because I thought that he did, but then Petunia for some reason turned it down a little bit.

Laura: No.

Eric: Because I was…

Laura: No. Because he wrote her and told her “no,” like she wrote him and then…

Ben: I think if there’s a any wizard that would let a muggle into Hogwarts, it would be Dumbledore though.

Laura: Oh yeah, definitely.

Eric: But he did write a letter to Petunia, didn’t he?

Ben: You know what I mean? Just because of like, how tolerant he is.

Eric: Yeah. No, I agree.

Ben: Yeah.

Eric: Hmmm.


Question: Why did the Basilisk Fang not kill the Horcrux in Harry?


Andrew: Another question, was a question that a lot of fans had ended up figuring out anyway. It was in reference to the Basilisk, and why did it not kill Voldemort’s soul in Harry. Rowling stated that “Harry was not destroyed beyond repair because Fawkes was there to heal him, but later conveniently absent when other horcruxes were destroyed.” So that was another easy question to address.


Question: Why didn’t Harry consult Dumbledore’s Portrait?


Eric: Okay so, Jo replied, when asked about Dumbledore and why Harry didn’t consult Dumbledore’s portrait, assuming he was at Hogwarts enough to, she listed three options which I think cover it. “One, the portrait was not available as it was at Hogwarts, two, Dumbledore didn’t want to tempt Harry with the Hallows, but wanted him to learn of them slowly due to Harry’s flaws, and that three, it was too easy and there wouldn’t have been much of a plot if Harry just spoke to Dumbledore’s portrait.” So.

Andrew: Exactly.

Eric: What was this reaction in the guys? Because I wasn’t there, obviously.

Andrew: Well, answer three was met with a lot of applause, wasn’t it?

Laura: Yeah, it made people laugh.

Andrew: People were like, yeah Jo, duh!

Eric: [laughs] Yeah. And this was a good point though.

Andrew: Good point Jo!

Eric: There were so many questions after the Dumbledore one, that it just seems to awkward that anything would have continued, you know, because sort of the rest of the world stopped ticking for a little bit.

Andrew: Right, right. Well, let’s…

Eric: You know, there wasn’t even a mysterious ticking noise. It was just sort of, the world stopped ticking.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. Well lets move on, let’s move on as we inch closer to the big reveal.

[Ben laughs]

Eric: Oooh!


Question: Were the Death Eaters based on the Nazis?


Andrew: So someone asked a very intelligent question, another thing we’ve talked about on the show before. Someone wanted to try to confirm with Jo that the Death Eaters were based on the Nazis. And Jo answered by saying that “it was a conscious decision and people will die, and that you shouldn’t believe what your government or newspapers tell you” which was also met with applause.

Laura: Oh yeah.

Andrew: So, you know, she said, well what do you think “conscious decision” meant? Like, just that she felt…

Ben: It just means that she meant to draw that parallel.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Laura: And she said that she wasn’t only trying to draw a parallel specifically to the Nazis, that she, like you said, was trying to draw a parallel between governments and corruption in general.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: It just so happens that, you know, there’s a strong correlation there with the Nazis.

Micah: When she said that you shouldn’t believe what your government or newspapers tell you, she said something else, I can’t remember exactly what it was, but she took a little shot at possibly someone who is in power right now.

Laura: Yeah, I remember specifically what she said too. She was, “like certain political regimes we all know and love.” But she said it extremely sarcastic.

[Andrew and Micah laughs]

And at that point, I just cheered. I thought that was great

Micah: Yeah, I stood up for that too.

Laura: Send me hate mail if you want, I don’t care.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Goats and politics.

Andrew: Micah actually had pom poms, and whenever something came out that was really exciting to him, he would just swing them around. It was pretty funny.

[Ben laughs]

Eric: Oh god. I can see that on YouTube now.

Micah: Goats and politics. That’s what I cheered for.


Question: How did it feel to finish Book 1 compared to Book 7?


Andrew: Someone asked Jo, “how does it compare, finishing the first book compared to finishing the writing of the seventh book?” and she said that it actually felt the same, it felt very similar, and her husband, who was in attendance, heated her for a few weeks after Book 7 was finished because she was “unbearable to live with” I guess just being very emo. If you will. Because, you know, the book is over.

Ben: Imagine how weird that would be though, after how much time you’ve put into it…

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: All the things you’ve done, all the money you’ve made. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: You know, just to sit back and thing wow, it’s done.


Extra Questions


Andrew: It’s done. Yeah. And let’s see, then oh guys, this was the big surprise of the night. It was actually the disappointment of the night. Jo had answered 12 questions at that point, and then a voice came over the speaker system in the place, and it was a loud booming voice, and he pretended to be God, and Jo played around with him like, oh am I in trouble? Or something like that.

[Eric laughs]

Laura, Micah, do you remember what she said?

Laura: She said, “and they say I don’t believe in you.”

Andrew: [laughs] Oh yeah.

Eric: [laughs] I didn’t hear about that. I’m sorry!

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: And everyone was like oh, what’s the big surprise? They were like, the guy was like “we have a surprise!” and this guy comes out, nobody knows who he is, he’s just some schmuck from Scholastic who was trying to entertain the crowd while the book signing was occurring. But anyway, he comes out and is like “big surprise, Jo is going to answer more questions for everyone!” Which was good. We got what, three more questions? Or four more questions.

Laura: Yeah.


Question: Does Draco owe Harry a life debt?


Andrew: So the first question was if Malfoy owed Harry a life debt, and Jo stated that “there was no magical tie between the two, but Malfoy had to be forever grateful to Harry for saving his life after all.” It’s sort of like the thing that always happens with the bad guy where the good guy saves the bad guy’s life and then the bad guy doesn’t really owe him anything, but the bad guy just always has to admit, yeah you did save my life, that’s true.

Eric: And sort of backs off – the whole prejudice thing.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.


Bad M.C. and Panting Lady


Andrew: Right. And then the next question was from the very top of Carnegie Hall, this girl had to book it all the way down to the bottom.

Laura: Oh, yeah. That was hilarious.

Andrew: And, you know, this guy who was hosting was a good M.C. – no wait he was terrible…

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: …Worst host in the world. Way to go Scholastic.

Eric: You guys should have me her.

Andrew: Yeah we should have, quick pre-show.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: It did take her like two hours to come down so…

[Ben laughs]

Andrew: …it would have been good filler. But…

Ben: “The Pre-show”.

Andrew: “The Pre-show”

Ben: Still looking for that tape by the way.

Andrew: Yeah. So, this guy M.C.-ing is waiting for this chick to come down and the whole time I am thinking “Why not call someone else up?”

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: The next person was right in the front row anyway. She could have taken two steps to the microphone. But, like I said we had to wait for this, anyway whatever, its all said and done now, but…

[Eric laughs]

Ben: Yeah. I mean I am sure that is what you are thinking about, gosh.

Laura: That was what I was thinking.

Ben: “I have to wait a whole two minutes for her to come down.

Laura: Well, no…

Andrew: That is what I was, no seriously…

Laura: That had to have been embarrassing for her too.

Andrew: I was sitting there thinking, “Call someone else up”.

Laura: Because when she got there she was panting and heaving for breath and like, trying to ask her a question I would have been…

Eric: And then she falls over and dies. [laughs]

Laura: and she was up on a big screen too so you can see her like, gasping for air.

Ben: Well, maybe the M.C. is just a jerk. You know what I mean?

Andrew: Maybe, yeah he was. He was just a bad M.C.

Ben: Okay, almost like, a quick question. Laura, how did you Andrew, and Micah get into this thing? That is what I am wondering.

Andrew: Well, we will get to that at the end.

Ben: All right.

MuggleCast 117 Transcript (continued)


Question: Would Snape’s Portrait be hung at Hogwarts?


Andrew: We will thank those who let us in. All right so the next question, the last question of the night besides the Dumbledore question, referred to Snape’s portraits and Rowling answered that Harry would have insisted that it would be hung in the Headmaster’s office at Hogwarts but that he would probably have not visited it to converse with Snape. And Jo still surprised when she said that fans are torn about Snape, who is a complicated character and stated that Snape was bitter, vindictive and mean and everyone, once Jo revealed that Harry would have insisted that Snape’s portrait be hung in the office I think there was a collective, “Awww!”


Question: What did James, Lily, Sirius and Lupin do for work?


Micah: Did we answer these two questions?

Eric: Yeah, okay Donna, the one who, and I can not make fun of her because I have not seen her and I would not make fun of her so, she just says “What were the occupations of James, Lily, Sirius, and Lupin, after they graduated Hogwarts?” and actually I can make fun of Jo’s response because she just basically says, Lupin was unemployable, because he is a werewolf, which does not leave any hope for any fan fiction. You know, werewolves, they never get jobs so them as a class they are just diminished. And also everyone else was a bit of a slacker. They never had to be employed because James was rich. They also worked full time for the Order. Which I suppose is a respectable job in the after fact because there was a war going on at the time. So, I will not make fun, but I do think it would have been fun to see them suitable for other jobs. Like, ask any of them…

Micah: But, is that a sufficient answer though? I mean…

Eric: Yeah, it is, it is sufficient. Well, I mean are you saying it might not be? Because, like they work for the Order?

Micah: Well, yeah like wasn’t there a lot of talk about Lily’s job being important?

Laura: Yeah. There was.

Eric: Oh, oh, right.

Micah: She’s just a bum.

Laura: I was convinced that she was either a Seer or she worked in the Department of Mysteries or something crazy like that. And then we find out that she didn’t. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah, people thought about that.

Micah: So basically James was her sugar daddy?

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Well, love, money, [sighs] yeah. [sings] “I ain’t saying she’s a gold digger.” [laughs] Okay.

Andrew: [laughs unenthusiastically] Yeah.

Laura: Eric, no. [laughs]

Andrew and

Eric: [singing] “I ain’t saying she’s a gold digger.”

Eric: [continues singing] “She aint messing with no broke, broke…”

Ben: How about [sings] “Soulja Boy…”

Laura: Is it me or is everybody’s school is doing that dance? Everyone is doing that dance.

Ben: Ummm, actually the only person I have seen do it is Emerson and I didn’t think it was funny at all.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: It is ridiculous everyone I know is doing that dance and I just stand there and watch them like “why?” I would never in my life, but anyway.

Andrew: I do not even know what that is. All I know is the moves in Hairspray.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Anyway, I…

Laura: Speaking of which… [laughs]


Dumbledore’s Sexuality


Andrew: And now for a complete change in subject Dumbledore is [high pitch] gay! You see my voice…

Ben: Wow.

Andrew: I still have my high voice back. Did you guys hear about this? Dumbledore, it was revealed by J.K. Rowling at this Carnegie Hall book reading, Dumbledore is gay. This girl came up and said “What about Dumbledore’s love life? Where has it been? What girl was he hooking up with?’ and she revealed “Well, I always pictured Dumbledore as being gay. And that, it did not sink in for me at first because it did not feel like a definitive answer because she said “I always pictured as Dumbledore as being gay” like, that is what she said right?

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Is that all she said?

Andrew: “I always saw as Dumbledore being gay”

Laura: Yeah, but then she said that he was in love with Grindelwald. So…

Micah: Yeah. Well, when I first heard this I thought it was going along the lines of, “Well, I always saw Dumbledore,” and then I thought I was going to hear a “with professor so and so”, like “with Professor McGonagall” you know? And, I do not know, I was really shocked. I did not expect to hear that.

Ben: I do not know. But see, I woke up I was not – the news did not change much.

Laura: Yeah.

Ben: You know what I mean? I did not really care because; okay for example, I got this e-mail here from someone who sent it in. It was a 45-year old from Lake Whiley, South Carolina, I’ll leave the name out of this, it said:

“I know I have no way of relaying this message to the author herself but maybe you can. I know you often have opportunities to discuss certain issues with her. I am a reasonably tolerant person with the tenant of live and let live, but with her announcement with Dumbledore “coming out of the closet,” that just ruined the whole thing for me. Yuck. That was a really stupid move on her part.”

[Everyone laughs sarcastically]

Ben: “It would have been better if he had an unrequited love for Minerva or Bethilda, or someone we had not have met yet.”

Eric: Better for your agenda.

Ben: “I will never read the books in the same light ever again and I have probably never have been so disappointed in anyone in my whole life.”

[sigh] That is pretty sad.

Eric: All right.

Ben: “I will have to try and have to put this out of my mind and pretend she never said this in order for me to read the books again. If you can, please relay my comments I am definitely sure that I am not the only one who feels this way and I am sure that it is going to jump up and slap her in the face at some time.”

Andrew: Oh, my god.

Eric: Oh, it won’t slap her in the face.

Ben: “Most sincerely yours.”

Eric: Okay you would get ignorant fans sending this in, e-mails okay?

Ben: Okay, but see, what I am saying is that I just do not understand how anyone can actually react this way.

Laura: No.

Ben: It is an issue that, is is really deep in our society and I think it has gotten better over the years.

Andrew: Definitely.

Ben: Gay, homosexuality in America has become a lot more tolerated, but at the same time you still have those people who have the mentality of a jock, in high school who thinks “Oh my gosh, someone is gay, you know?” You know, “Loser.”

Eric: Yeah.

Ben: …you know, that is the first thing that comes to my mind. How could they ever be like that you know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: And I still don’t see how anyone can really criticize, because they weren’t Dumbledore. They didn’t grow up in the same circumstances he did. They didn’t have the infatuation with Grindelwald. They just didn’t know, you know? And they didn’t – I don’t know. I just think…

Eric: And being 150 years old, nobody could have sort of grown up with him.

Ben: No, you know what I mean though.

Laura: It’s not even that. Does him being gay, does it change anything?

Andrew: No.

Laura: Does it change his wisdom and all the good things he did? No! It doesn’t.

Eric: No. Okay, the whole thing is, and my initial problem when I heard it, my initial fear was oh great, because the previous Mugglecast Episode, 116, “Pig for Slaughter,” we were thinking well, I tried to raise some issues against Dumbledore. I tried to say maybe he is not so great. I tried to say that maybe he is not the greatest hero of all time.

Andrew: Yeah…

Eric: So, I kind of made a case type thing and then all of the sudden he is gay, and that is such a big issue in history and in current culture and society, I thought, oh great! Whereas I wanted to point him out as a flawed character, now that he actually is gay, anything that I might have said is now heald for the case against Dumbledore, which certain homophobic people might turn against and say, “Oh you know he is weak and he is stupid and he’s gay.” So…

Micah: Right.

Eric: So, we shouldn’t read the Harry Potter books. Also, I know several people who come from fundamentally Christian families who that upset and whose parents gave them another reason to hate Harry, and I’m not saying that Jo shouldn’t have mentioned it, but I am saying that it was quite sensitive that she did mention it. Maybe it should have been treated a little bit more sensitively, I think, because of the uproar.

Laura: I don’t think so. I completely disagree.

Eric: Because of how much, how large the fan base is.

Ben: Okay, but do you think, do you really think, do you honestly think that Jo has always seen Dumbledore as being gay, or do you think that she saw after the fact, that “Hey, now that I have sold all my books…”

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: “…now that I have done all these things, I can come out with a statement for something that I believe in?” You know, obvoiusly, I bet she’s a supporter of gay rights.

Eric: Oh, of course.

Ben: Yeah, and maybe she is coming out and saying this, becuase she wants to take someone in a powerful position, someone who is regarded as “the greatest wizard of all time,” you know, and he is gay. You know what I mean?

Andrew: Yeah, It’s a great thing to – I agree with what you are saying.

Laura: I don’t know. I don’t think that…

Ben: I support her in what she has done.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: I give her the thumbs up.

Andrew: I am glad that you brought this email up, because I was trying to find a e-mail that was a negative response – was this sent to your personal e-mail address?

Ben: Yeah. I was.

Andrew: Oh, okay. I was looking through the mugglecast at staff, and I couldn’t find anyone giving a negative opinion, which was good.

Ben: And someone else sent me an e-mail saying “a Christian response to homosexuality.”

Laura: Oh, yeah. I saw that.

Andrew: Yes, we all got that

Ben: Really? Okay.

Laura: Ohhhh…

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: And there was just line after line of quoting the Bible…

Laura: Of crap!

Ben: …and quoting all these things, and it’s just…

Eric: Yeah, look…

Ben: I am not saying Christians are right, Christians are wrong.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: I am not saying anything like that, but what I am saying is, you have got to face the facts. Not everybody is a Christian, and for a Christian to say that you should have to, or that everyone should have to follow what I believe, and that because I say homosexuality is wrong, then it is wrong, that’s just even more closed minded.

Eric: And religions are that way, but I just wanted to draw a distinction. You asked, “How does that effect how he taught Harry?” That is the real question and the real answer is, I don’t think it does.

Andrew: No, of course not.

Eric: And the whole, the whole thing behind it – and there is a clinical reason behind it too. There is quite a differece. There is quite a difference between homosexuality, being a gay man, and liking or corrupting little boys.

Andrew: Oh yeah. [laughs] And come on, Eric. You are pushing it now. We know that.

Laura: No, no, no. That is a little… Yeah.

Ben: But Eric is right though, when he is saying that is what the reaction has been from people. They say things like, “I can never see his relationship with Harry the same.”

Andrew: Yeah, which is “BS”.

Ben: That is the equivalent of saying that if in the books, Dumbledore had a really close relationship with Hermione, that that is a bad thing, because if he was straight. If he was straight and he had a relationship with a younger female, where he taught Hermione a lot, that it was a bad thing. Just because someone is gay, doesn’t automatically mean they are a pedophile. If someone is straight, it doesn’t mean – you know what I mean?

Eric: No. Pedophilia and homosexuality, yeah.

Ben: People just try to make that association, and it is just stigmatised in our society is all it is, and to be honest with you, it annoyes me that it was a big deal, because the morning – day after J.K. ROwling announced this, the next morning, Emerson, I’m living at his house now. He gets a phone call from Fox News, Geraldo wants Emerson to be on to talk about this.

[Eric sighs]

Laura: Of course.

Ben: I am all for publicity for MuggleNet, but at the same time the first thought that came to my mind was, “Why is everyone making such a big deal out of this?”

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Why does this change anything? Why does this a big deal, but I guess some people out there aren’t as tolerant.

Andrew: Yeah, I’ll tell you what…

Laura: Well, to be perfectly honest, what really annoys me – I am sorry to cut you off Andrew, but…

Andrew: It’s okay.

Laura: If you will remember, when we were in the City after that reading, every time we got in a cab and you put the radio on…

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Laura: All you could hear was, “Author J.K. Rowling says Albus Dumbledore is gay.”

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: Okay. Nevermind that there are fires in California and people dying all over the world…

Andrew: Ugh.

Laura: … but who cares, because Dumbledore is gay.

Micah: Right.

Laura: And that really bothered me alot.

Micah: The thing was, I told Andrew that this too, I had three people come up to me on Monday morning…

Laura: Oh my god.

Micah: …and ask me what is up with this? What is going on? Is this ligitimate? Is she serious? And…

Laura: Everyone here is saying the same thing.

Micah: What I want to say about this though is that it is a perfectly legitimate answer to the question that was asked by this girl.

Andrew: Right, exactly.

Micah: People are thinking that she just stood up and made this proclamation to the audience, which she didn’t do!

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

[Eric laughs]

Micah: She asked a perfectly legitimate question, and she gave a perfectly legitimate answer, and she explained that answer to.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: I don’t understand what the big deal is about that.

Andrew: And it was a very direct question too, and she wasn’t trying to – at the beginning of the day she wasn’t thinking, okay somehow today I have got to get into the question and answer that Dumbledore is gay. It was a very straight, direct question, “What about Dumbledore’s love life?” What is she going to do? Lie? Just be like, “Eh, it was all right.”

Laura: That is what she said.

Andrew: The fans want this information.

Eric: There was another further clarification that she made in the news a few days later, and she said that she thinks that kids will see that relationship in Book 7 with the writing letter between Dumbledore and Grindelwald, that kids will see it as a friendship and more sensitive adults will see it as an infatuation.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And that is what she said. So, I don’t know how she clarified it in the event I thought maybe you guys could…

Andrew: I mean, but no – I mean, all she said after our reaction, the audience reaction, was, “Oh, if I knew that you were going to take it that tremendously I would have told you sooner.” So, I mean, I think she has – going back to what Ben said a little bit ago, I think she has had this in her head from the beginning. I think she said in an interview. She was like, she was getting mad at the press in Canada because that’s all they wanted to talk about, and I think she said, “Well, if I revealed it back during Book 1, there would have been no mystery to it.” She said, “I couldn’t reveal it any earlier. I had to wait for all the books to come out.”

Eric: It is – in a way, I can see how it relates to Dumbledore’s story as told in Book 7, you know?

Andrew: Yeah.


Dumbledore and Grindelwald


Eric: And really not much the rest of it. Though I mean, she calls him – on one hand, she does call him gay, like, immediately. She says, “I always saw him as gay.” On the other hand, she draws close attention to his relationship with Grindelwald as having sort of a, I mean, he had a – I wouldn’t call it a man-crush. It was an infatuation, but Dumbledore was…

Ben: [laughs] A man-crush.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: I’m just saying, Dumbledore was 16 at the time, and Grindelwald was very powerfully minded, and they sort of tried to – I mean, now I’m just hearing all these jokes about Grindelwald being in his jail cell and Dumbledore going to visit him, and there’s all sorts of- you know? But I just – I’m tired of hearing that stuff. But it’s really a question of did that relationship continue, and some of the questions in the show notes, was Grindelwald gay, too, or what was the deal with that? And sort of, Grindelwald really hurt Albus’ sister, and did he kill Kendra? So, how exactly did that go down? I just think people want a little more clarification, as well as to what exactly that means because people were asking, “What does that mean?” And then everybody in the room…

Micah: But who cares?

Andrew: That’s the thing.

Eric: Prejudice gets all into…

Andrew: It’s not that big of a deal. It’s a fun fact.

Eric: And I said jokingly after this event when we were walking back to the hotel, I said, “You know what? The fandom is dying down, news was slow. I think Jo just did this to just get the fandom rolling again.” But I was kidding.

[Laura laughs]

Laura: Yeah.

Ben: No, but it definitely, all of a sudden, Harry Potter, you know, the books and the hype is starting to die down, and then “Oh my god, the old white-haired dude is gay!”

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, it explodes. Yeah, I mean, I knew this was more press than Book 7 coming out, almost.

Eric: I think so, too, actually

Andrew: It’s up there. It was the number one story on Digg last week. The top story in all topics for one day.

Laura: That’s ridiculous.

Eric: Still, I don’t think it’s publicity. She has to consider like…

Andrew: It’s not publicity.

Eric: I just think, is it? Yeah. It can’t be publicity. Like Micah said, it was a legitimate question. I’m just wondering if it hurt more people than it saved.

Andrew: Well, it didn’t hurt…

Laura: It doesn’t hurt anybody. It’s ridiculous.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Anyone who hurt from that was taking it the wrong way.

Andrew: Yeah, and needs to get a life.

Eric: I’m not talking about the people you heard from, Ben. I’m talking about the people who – like the children, whose parents are banning them from the books or some [omitted]. I mean, I agree that that’s ignorant.


Banning Books From Children


Andrew: Okay, let’s talk about that. Let’s talk about that. Hold on, wait. First of all, we have no evidence parents are banning the children from the books, just because of that. I mean, there’s no storyline in the actual books themselves.

Ben: But I can see that though.

Laura: And the thing is, there are a lot of…

Andrew: Could you?

Laura: People I’ve heard from, even here at school, that have come up to me and say, I’m not upset that Dumbledore’s gay, but I’m upset she took that ambiguity out of the books. And my first response is, well, you’ve already finished reading the books, so what does it matter to you, and my second response is even though she said he’s gay, it’s still open in the books. You can read that so many different ways. It could have been simply down to the fact that Dumbledore and Grindelwald had a deep intellectual relationship. It didn’t necessarily have to be sexual. If you want to read it that way, that’s your perogative, but she’s the author, and she has a right to sit there and call out the facts when she’s asked questions.

Andrew: And it’s her characters.

Eric: Yeah. But that makes it a fact in the book. That – if she always believed he is gay, is he even without it being canon, words in the books? That’s the question of what becomes – who’s the author of a text, who determines meaning, if it’s not written in the book, does it still mean something? And I mean, just like any question she’ll answer that’s post after the fact would you consider it as canon, or – I mean, she’s giving canon answers, so yes, it is canon, in a way. But, again, I mean, what you said the person said, they take the ambiguity out of the books, and I’m just worried that it will work sort of against the series.

Laura: There is plenty of ambiguity still there in the books.

Eric: I mean, I’m not saying it should. It shouldn’t.

Ben: I agree with where Eric is coming from here. I thought about the same thing. Isn’t this going to give more fire to the religious fanatics who are saying – the Laura Mallory camp?

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Who cares though?

Ben: Isn’t it going to give a lot more fire to them?

Laura: You’re never going to change the minds of those people, so why does it matter?

Ben: I’m just saying that there are some people who would like Harry Potter and ignore the religious objections, but when something like homosexuality comes into play, even though it’s not actually in the books, the fact that the author said that, everyone is talking about it, everyone knows that Dumbledore is gay now, would definitely add – fuel the fire of the people who want to ban the book.

Eric: Hey, look, Ben, I mean, I just don’t want to think of Dumbledore as sexual, let alone homosexual, or heterosexual. I thought of Dumbledore in the books as – he’s the role model.

Laura: He’s asexual. [laughs]

Eric: He’s the wise old wizard, but he’s so much more intelligent. There are so many allegories that Dumbledore makes about – and so many things he tells Harry about “the high and lonely path,” about “being cleverer than more men, your mistakes are bigger, but it’s lonely.” And if all that was just sort of talk because he was having some kind of difficulties in a relationship in his current situation, I just think I would view Dumbledore as non-sexual, or asexual, let alone…

Laura: I don’t know. I don’t think so because…

Ben: Wouldn’t have been awesome if Jo would have come out and announced that Dumbledore as metrosexual?

[Everybody laughs]

Ben: That would have really shaken up the fandom right there.

Laura: The idea of Dumbledore as somebody – I mean it’s a very Kantian idea that, you know? I live my life without any sort of sexual – you know, any sort of sexual relationship, whether that relationship is purely mental, or whether it’s actually physical. And I don’t think Dumbledore would operate that way because…

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: …he continually emphasizes the importance of love.

Andrew: Right, yep.

Laura: So, him to you know – no. He’s not a Emmaneul Kant, thank god.

Ben: Regardless of which set of genitals Dumbledore prefers…

[Laura laughs]

Ben: It doesn’t change the fact that he was an absolute pimp.

Andrew: Yeah, absolutely.

Ben: The things he did! You know what I mean, who else could blast a room full or aurors? I don’t care – I don’t care if he likes other guys, you know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Little guys?

Eric: Not little guys, he’s not a pedophile.

Laura: He said other guys.

Ben: Other guys, not little guys.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: Then Flitwick would be in trouble.

[Andrew laughs]


The Fandom’s Acceptance


Laura: And what it comes down to is, I’m sorry, there is nothing wrong with being gay, so just get over it. Like, that’s what I have to say. Chill out. Please.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Well put, Laura.

Ben: I don’t have a problem with putting my opinion about that out there. I mean…

Laura: No, me neither.

Ben: Someone – I can argue with someone all day about that so if you have a problem with it…

Andrew: Well, here’s…

Ben: …take me on.

Andrew: Here’s one very good thing…

Ben: You know what, guys? I need a whole keg of butterbeer for this one.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: You know what I mean? This issue just gets me so fired up.

Andrew: I know. Well, here’s one good thing about the Harry Potter fandom. The fandom is very…

Laura: [laughing] Diverse?

Andrew: …accepting of gay people.

Eric: Didn’t you say, Laura, before the show that 75% of the fandom…

Laura: Eric, we can’t say that.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: We’ll leave that out.

Andrew: We will – we will say there’s a large…

Laura: There is a gay community within the Harry Potter fandom.

Andrew: Well, yes.

Ben: I’m not going to lie. Yeah, that’s totally true. I grew up in Kansas, you know, and Kansas has – is not very tolerant of homosexuals and I didn’t meet a person who was gay until – it was – it was through Harry Potter! It was through the Harry Potter fandom that I met a lot of gay people, and it – I’m not saying – of course, I just preached about gay rights and how I support gay rights so, obviously, I’m not saying it’s a bad thing that I’ve met those people because they’re wonderful people. There’s a lot of homosexuals I’ve met that are absolutely great people.

Eric: Same.

Andrew: Mhm. And I’ll say right now and – there’s more than one, at the least, bisexual person producing MuggleCast. And everyone’s accepting of it. Everyone is very embraceful of it, we’ll say. And there are even more people – I’m not trying to out anyone – there are even more people on MuggleNet who are. And it’s amazing just because even the people on staff are, you know, very accepting of it and it helps them get through it.

Laura: And the thing is, like, no one even gives it a second thought. That’s the thing. We just don’t care.

Eric: No, it’s true.

Andrew: Right, right.

Eric: Harry Potter spoke to all of us, you know what I saying? I mean, these books have been so amazing. They get people of all different types and everything into the fandom. That’s what makes our fandom, sort of – I don’t want to say the best, but, you know, our fandom is really cool like that. And, you know, Harry Potter speaks to such mass amounts of people. Not just girls, not just guys, that sort of thing. It speaks to everyone.


Tangent: Aberforth and The Goats


Micah: Then, what does it speak to if it doesn’t speak to men and women?

Andrew: Dude, Micah, you got to get closer to the mic.

Eric: It speaks to goat lovers!

Micah: Sorry.

Eric: Yeah, you do.

Andrew: Yeah. It speaks to goat lovers.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Goat lovers. [laughs]

Andrew: We are very accepting of goat lovers.

Laura: Uh…well.

Andrew: If there are any of you in the closet, so to speak, please e-mail in.

Ben: See, I mean,I mean, come on, if anything, if anything is disgusting – I mean, you know what I mean?

Andrew: Yeah.

[Laura laughs]

Ben: People think that…

Laura: A goat.

Ben: Homosexuals are disgusting, but come on, there’s a dude in the series who loves the goat.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: Why is everyone freaking out about that, you know what I mean?

Eric: Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, I mean…

Andrew: That’s a great point.

Ben: You see, not only was Dumbledore gay, but his brother was in love with goats, you know? It’s gross.

Andrew: Yeah. What was his sister into, you got to wonder?

Eric: You know, some people…

Ben: What a weird family.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: You know what, I have my own interpretation about what happened with his sister, actually, but that’s probably for another show.

Eric: Some people feel bad for the mother, because your son’s into goats – your one son’s into goats, your other son’s into guys and your daughter gets killed, so you won’t have any grandkids, you know?

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Fair point.

Eric: Someone said that. That shouldn’t even be funny. Somebody said that.

Micah: That’s horrible.

Ben: What did he say?

Andrew: No, that’s very…

Eric: You should feel bad for Dumbledore’s mother, you know, just because the parental thing is to always, sort of, want grandkids. And Dumbledore would adopt…

Ben: But he could adopt.

Eric: He’d have to find a mate, and he’s so intelligent that…

Andrew: He can adopt, he can adopt. It’s true.

Eric: See, I didn’t think Dumbledore was compatible with anyone because of how intelligent he was.

Ben: Actually, I heard men can get pregnant in the wizarding world.

Andrew: That could happen, you know?

Eric: Yeah, or they could turn themselves…

Andrew: Men have holes, too.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Into – they could use Polyjuice. Whoa, Andrew! That’s uncalled for.

Ben: I’d take that part out. You would know.

[Everyone laughs]

MuggleCast 117 Transcript (continued)


Back to Grindelwald


Andrew: Oh, god. Okay, well, let’s – let’s keep advancing this discussion here. I mean, it raises the question – was Grindelwald gay? But…

Ben: But, see, the way that Jo put it, like, I don’t know if – I don’t know whether to infer that he was because, I mean…

Andrew: Yeah. I don’t think he was.

Ben: Look at the letters. We see letters between them and if it’s true, I mean, if Jo said it’s unrequited then, it for sure – I don’t think that Grindelwald would necessarily have to be gay.

Andrew: Yeah. I think I agree with that.

Ben: I mean, I guess if Grindelwald…

Laura: I mean, he could have been, but…

Ben: …could – I guess Grindelwald could have been gay, but just not like Dumbledore, but I have a feeling that Dumbledore and Grindelwald were tight when they were teenagers, you know, they were really close then and Dumbledore just fell in love.

Andrew: Mhm. Yeah. I think so too.

Laura: Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense.


Remus and Sirius


Andrew: Okay, and this begs the question – now what’s interesting is that a while ago, I want to say a year and a half ago – year to year and a half ago – Jamie suggested that we have a discussion on – oh, what were the two characters? Lupin and…

Laura: And Sirius.

Andrew: And Sirius possibly being in a relationship. And we told him “no” because it’s sort of – it wasn’t the right time to do that and it just wasn’t really appropriate for, you know, the listeners. But now, we have to ask, what other characters are gay?

Laura: I mean, yeah, it’s obviously – it’s something she’s been thinking about, so it’s possible that there is someone else.

Andrew: I think it’s very, very, very, very possible that there are more than one that we know of. We just don’t know them yet.

Ben: Guys, guys, guys, I think, you know, I really hate to put this out there because I have friends who really like this character and stuff, but I think Dawlish might be gay.

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: Dawlish? What evidence leads you to that.

Ben: Yeah. I don’t know. Just his name. Just the way people say his name, too.

Andrew: It is kind of…

Ben: [drawing it out] Dawlish.

Andrew: Yeah. I hear what you’re saying.

Ben: Sounds kind of gay to me. I don’t know.

Andrew: We don’t have to sit around and speculate it because we’ve been talking about this enough, but…

Eric: No, no, it’s all ambiguous. Should we – should we ask Jay – should we ask Jo if that’s…

Andrew: Yes, absolutely, someone should be asking her.

Laura: I think so.

Andrew: I…

Eric: It shouldn’t get more…

Andrew: Who else has had a love life that we don’t really know about? Like…

Eric: Remus Lupin.

Laura: No, he’s not.

Andrew: No.

Eric: That’s a question. With news – Remus and does that really mean because you guys take a look at the David Thewlis news.

Andrew: Yeah, he thought.

Eric: Micah, did you put this in your news this week?

Micah: What’s that?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, but he still could be.

Ben: Yeah.

Eric: He still could be because, in fact, I reckon that Remus Lupin’s character in the whole book series – there’s actually a lot between, behind the Remus/Sirius shippers.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: I reckon – I thought that was the most canon relationship in slash to be honest. I mean, I actually thought that was true. And if you actually want to read, sort of, between the lines in Book 7, I think a lot – I mean, how else would you explain, in a way, Remus’ insecurities? I think a lot of what happened was that he wasn’t sure in Book 6 if he wanted to get with Tonks because he was still feeling – maybe he was feeling bad about Sirius. There’s honestly…

Laura: Or maybe he…

Eric: …certain ways Remus behaved allowed me to think that he might be homosexual or have had sort of more than friendly feelings for Sirius in the past. Now, just because he married Tonks and got her pregnant doesn’t mean he wasn’t gay. And, additionally, maybe he married her because he got her pregnant. I mean…

Micah: No, I…

Eric: Is that sort of…

Laura: Oh, that’s…

Eric: How did that work out?

Laura: …completely possible. At the same time, you have to consider his only reason for not wanting to marry her in the first place isn’t just that he might have been gay. I mean, marriage is a huge commitment. He was thinking about her in terms of him being a werewolf and the idea of them having children.

Eric: It’s… Right.

Laura: So, it’s not just the consideration that he might have been gay, there’s a whole lot more to consider there…

Eric: Right.

Laura: I mean, I’m not ruling it out, but I’m just saying, that’s not it.

Eric: No, but even when Tonks said, well, look at Bill. Fleur still loves him even though he’s him, even though he has werewolf cuts, Remus went silent. He was like, “Yeah, well, you know?”; sort of beating around the bush. That’s just what I felt like. I felt like if Jo was going to out somebody it would be Remus. I have to be honest.

Micah: I think his insecurities stemmed from the fact that he was shunned by society for his entire life. I don’t think it has anything to do with – yeah, we all had talked about possibly doing a show on that, but I mean, I just see the relationship between Lupin and Sirius as being friends. I mean, they were close friends. You can’t overanalyze every group of characters…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: No, you’re right.

Micah: …that are close friends in the series.

Ben: And, do you realize that the majority of the people shipping Lupin and Sirius, I hate to say it, but I heard a lot of just older women.

[Micah laughs]

Laura: It’s true.

Eric: No, it’s true.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: It’s absolutely true.

Laura: It’s true.

Ben: It was just a lot of older women in their 40s who were saying, “Yeah, these two were gay together.” It’s whatever. They’re really close friends. Could they have possibly had sexual relations in the past? Yeah, but does that change the fact that Lupin’s a werewolf? Does it affect the plot, does it affect the storyline?

Eric: And even more…

Ben: Is sexuality really even a part of the series to begin with?

Eric: Yeah. Yeah, they don’t have to be, they’re both good role models to Harry. In the third book they’re my two favorite characters. I mean…


Dumbledore as a Role Model


Ben: Wouldn’t you agree, wouldn’t you guys agree that Dumbledore is still a good role model, 100%?

Laura: Yes, absolutely.

Ben: Like, despite the fact, just because someone – it just baffles me that just because someone, like I said before, just because of the set of genitals that you like that means that it changes who you are as a person. You know? There are more important qualities like…

Laura: Yeah.

Ben: …treating people right, being tolerant of others, you know, accepting people for who they are.

Eric: Yeah. Uh huh.

Ben: You know? Those things don’t matter, but the fact that you like other guys, you know, huge deal.

Laura: And the thing about it is, what I find more important than any – whenever I consider Dumbledore’s love life, what bothers me is that he loved Grindelwald as a person and Grindelwald turned out to be just…

Eric: Quite evil.

Laura: Yes. It’s not that he had a penis; it’s that he was evil. [laughs] That has nothing to do with it, I just – what people, if people are going to question Dumbledore’s relationship or his love of Grindelwald, they should be questioning why he loved somebody who was clearly very flawed, not why that person happened to be of the same gender.

Eric: Right. It’s a security – it’s like an insecurity issue with Dumbledore, I think.

Laura: Yeah, I think so too, but I just…

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: It just ticks me off.

Eric: Yeah, I know.


Fan Response: It Doesn’t Matter


Andrew: Well, let’s get to some fan feedback now because we’ve been getting quite a few e-mails about this. Luckily all the ones I’ve found are positive, although I was trying to find a negative one so we could debate it, but that one Ben brought up was just perfect. First one comes from Callista, 15, of Temple City, California.

At first the news/rumors about Dumbledore’s sexual orientation seemed like a joke.

I don’t know what rumors she’s talking about.

It was kind of unbelievable seeing as that would sound like a joke someone would crack or say just to say what kind of a reaction they would get. I have nothing against homosexuality. I don’t believe in it, but I totally respect it. After some thought I started to feel what Jo said about Dumbledore being gay doesn’t really matter. To some maybe, but it doesn’t change what kind of person Dumbledore was, what he did, and what he was known for. Even though what he believed in is against my beliefs, I still respect and consider him a great person, and so should everyone else.

Good point, Callista.

Laura: Thank you.

Eric: That was very nice.

Andrew: It’s always nice to hear the fan say it, not just us.

Laura: And even from somebody who clearly has views that are different. You know? She flat-out said that it is against her beliefs but she’s not going to hold him to that standard.

Andrew: Because of what she…

Laura: Because of his sexuality. Exactly.


Fan Response: Breaking the Stereotype


Andrew: So, good. Credit to her. Next one, Sarah, 19, from East Lansing, Michigan. She writes:

Hey guys, I just have to send this MuggleMail after JKR’s revelation during the Open Book Tour about Dumbledore being gay.

As a side note, it’s funny Jo called it the Open Book Tour.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Sort of, like, Dumbledore’s being out there, he’s open…

Eric: [Laughs] Being like, whoa! Incredibly open book tour.


Tangent: Ian McKellen


Ben: Hey, Eric, Eric. What’s the name of the guy, Gandalf, Ian what?

Laura: Ian McKellen.

Eric: Sir Ian McKellen is actually, and let’s talk about this for a moment…

Ben: He’s gay. Wouldn’t it have been funny if he would have been casted as Dumbledore originally and then…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: He would have done lots of fun with it. Ian McKellen had, or I’ve heard Sir Ian McKellen described as a princess, by some people. He was just recently in trouble, I think, in Singapore because he asked on live TV where the nearest gay bar was, and it’s illegal to be gay in Singapore. It actually is. So, he’s very tolerant of it and he’s very open about it, and I love Sir Ian McKellen, to be honest. He’s a really good actor, very Shakespearean. I think yes, it would have been funny if he were cast as Dumbledore. But, I mean, obviously the Gandalf, sort of, confusion, and he’s already got that series, so. And Da Vinci, so he probably wouldn’t be up for it.


Back to Fan Response


Andrew: Yeah. Anyway, Sarah goes on to write:

I love that she made the most powerful wizard of all time a homosexual. It breaks the stereotype and makes a powerful statement in that respect. I also do not believe that she made it up on the spot and I do believe it was important information to give fans. Her characters have so much background that we haven’t seen. She has detailed their lives far more than we expect. And if a fan asks a question, like in this case, she should be able to give an honest answer. The books are out; there is nothing more to hide. I figure that you might get a lot of crap e-mails from fans who do not support this revelation saying that it hurts their image of the books or of JKR. I felt the need to show some love and support to our beloved author. Bottom line, Dumbledore will always kick” – excuse my French – ass.

She didn’t say excuse my French.

Eric: See, what is it with Dumbledores and donkeys? What is it, honestly? Because with Aberforth the goats…

Andrew: The goats. They’re sort of an off branch of the animals.

Eric: Oh, Jesus. Okay.


Fan Response: Jo Wanted to be Controversial


Andrew: One more e-mail from Melissa, 13, of New York. She writes:

Earlier today, J.K. Rowling announced…

Yeah, we know.

However, I personally think she should have kept this little secret about Dumbledore to herself. I personally think that she only made this statement to be controversial. I believe she only said this because she wanted to see how people would challenge the books. And already the ‘Harry Potter’ series have been blamed for going against Christianity. I’ve always believed that ‘Harry Potter’ was not going against the Christian religion in anyway. Like the Pope said, “one must look at the morals of something,” and the morals of the ‘Harry Potter’ books are bravery and respect. However, I think Rowling is pushing her luck with the world by announcing that Dumbledore’s gay. What do you think? Keep up the show. Good work.

Micah: Can I respond to this?

Andrew: Well, hold on. Wait. Just one second. There’s a P.S.

I sound really mean and snobby, but I still love J.K. Rowling. I just love her a little tiny less.

Ben: Well, just so you know, though, J.K. Rowling does not have to pay any of that money back just because she announced Dumbledore’s gay.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Ben: She had nothing to lose by doing this. She really didn’t have much to lose.

Andrew: I know.

Ben: I mean, when you have a billion dollars, I mean, it isn’t like she’s going to be risking her livelihood by announcing that.

Eric: [sings] If I had a million dollars, I’d tell you Dumbledore was gay. Oh so gay, with Grindelwald. If I had a million dollars – no.

Laura: Okay.

Eric: Guys, it’s not a publicity stunt, though. And that’s where I disagree, because I really don’t think it was a publicity stunt. This e-mail says, “pushing her luck” sort of thing. I actually think it was a true, honest answer, as this person does say. I think it was a true, honest answer. I mean, I’m shocked it was sort of said, and I thought maybe there should have been some care beforehand or something, but I thought, in general principle, what Micah said, “It was an honest question. Get an honest answer.”

Ben: Yeah, and I agree, because, like I said about the whole money thing and everything, is that she had – like the whole reason to be a publicity stunt would be if she was, you know, hurting for money or if she had some reason that she needed to spark more interest in Harry Potter all of a sudden. And what Jo – she isn’t narcissistic, you know what I mean? She’s not like that. She isn’t thinking, “Oh my gosh! Harry Potter’s about to die now! Now I need to do something to shake everyone up!” That wasn’t what it was about. It was – it was just how – it was just – he – Dumbledore liked another guy, guys.

[Andrew gives sarcastic gasp]

Ben: Get over it.

Laura: Oh no! The world is coming to an end!

Ben: Give me a butterbeer.

Eric: You could take it further, Ben, and you could say, well – no, listen okay? Dumbledore at the time was 16 and Jo has said to emotionally sensitive readers, it was an infatuation. Now, there are sort of books that – I mean, that aspect of the book might speak to teenagers. And a lot of people – we’ve gotten e-mails that said, “I’m really liberated because J.K.R. said that.” It encouraged some guy to come out at the show. And you know, things like that, like those are the good aspects of this and I think that that sort of relates to teenagers or teenagers in general. I’m not saying Dumbledore wasn’t gay the rest of his life. I’m saying that certain ambiguities and certain choices that you make in your – these are all things that affect teenagers. Crushes, you know, just in general, affect teenagers, and I think it’s really interesting that she puts Dumbledore, someone who we respect, into that kind of situation and show that Dumbledore was a teenager who faced the same problems that lots of us do.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: The one thing I wanted to bring up about this was that – and Ben mentioned this before – when people are constantly referring to it going against Christianity and, you know, I think I missed the point where Christianity is the only religion in this country, and being somebody who’s Jewish, and when I constantly see these comparisons being made, I just don’t understand why they think that there is sort of this hierarchy where they’re at the top.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, and I mean, speaking as somebody who doesn’t practice an organized religion, I feel the same way. And last time I checked, Harry Potter wasn’t written to go for Christianity in the first place. Not saying that she’s writing it against it.

Eric: No, it’s not.

Laura: But it’s not a book based on Christianity, so I don’t see why these people act like it should be. [laughs]


The Bible, Homosexuality and Andy’s Article


Andrew: Here’s what I hate the most, and it’s going a little off topic. A lot of people, their big thing is [in a hushed voice], “Oh, well it’s against it in the Bible. Homosexuality is against the Bible. You can’t go to bed with another man.”

Laura: Okay, oh man. Here we go.

Andrew: Well, there are a few things that Andy brought up in his article and I’ve also seen before. Anyone consulting a medium is to be stoned to death. Okay, that’s kind of weird. It is forbidden to cut your hair or to wear clothing out of more than one fabric. Everyone should be killed.

Laura: So, guys, if you want to quote Leviticus, go right ahead. But then, walk outside and prepare to be stoned.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: It is, however, perfectly acceptable to sell your children into slavery, should you choose to do so. And another one I saw on a T.V. show was that it’s forbidden to eat fish. You can’t eat fish.

Eric: You can’t eat fish?

Laura: So many outrageous things. Like there was something that I read about – if a man dies, his wife becomes property of his brother?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Laura: Really? Okay. We don’t do that anymore. So…

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Too bad.

Andrew: We’re not denouncing the Bible right now. Let’s say that.

Laura: No, what we’re saying is that it’s a text – it is definitely a text of its time and this is not…

Eric: Wait. By that you’re calling it out-dated.

Laura: Yes! [laughs] In a sense I am because this…

Andrew: It sort of is.

Laura: These are not biblical times. You can’t sit here and pick and choose things out of the Bible that you want to apply…

Eric: Right, I completely agree.

Laura: …to issues you disagree with.

Eric: You either agree with it all, or you don’t. And someone who does, prepare to be stoned.

Laura: Yeah. This isn’t a cafeteria. You can’t pick and choose…

Ben: I don’t mind being stoned.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: Cut that out. Don’t put that in.

Eric: “I don’t mind being stoned.”

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: No, I mean honestly. Micah’s right. Christianity is not the only religion. You cannot succeed on Broadway if you don’t have any Jews.

Micah: [laughs] What?

Eric: None of you get the reference. Everybody – every single one…

Andrew: Do you want to win the “Most Cut Out of the Show” award this week?

Eric: Why? What else have I said, honestly?

Andrew: Penis…a lot of stuff.

Eric: No, Laura said penis. Okay?

Laura: Yeah, I said penis.

Eric: She said penis.

Andrew: Okay, but Eric said something – I don’t know. Whatever. So yeah, it’s “BS,” you know? If we were considering making this an explicit – well I was [laughs] considering making it an explicit episode, because there’s just so much more I personally want to say about it, because it just really ticks me off when some people are saying some stuff, you know, about Dumbledore, just homosexuality in general. It’s very, very frustrating.

Laura: We should start a whole separate podcast.

Eric: People are ignorant. If somebody could eloquently talk to you about why it’s wrong, then we’d have them on, you know? Then we’d talk about it, but…

Andrew: You know, I was just thinking, I almost want to say, we invite someone who’s completely against it to come on the show and have a little debate. However, that could get a little nasty.

Eric: No, that would definitely get very nasty, very fast.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: So, back to Melissa’s e-mail. Yeah, I don’t – it doesn’t make sense how you could see J.K. Rowling any less. If it’s a fact, it’s a fact. It’s her character, she wrote him the way she wanted him to be written. If you think you have a better idea, go out and write your own book series. However, I don’t think it’s going to be as popular. So…


Thank Yous


Andrew: Okay, now is a good time to thank the people who did get Laura, Micah, and I in. First and foremost, I would like to thank Lucas, who was on the live show, our 12-hour live podcast a few weeks ago, and I think I was sort of bugging him for a ticket. He got me in, I took his sister’s ticket, so thanks to him a lot. Shout out to Lucas!

Eric: Thanks to his sister, as well.

Andrew: Laura and Micah?

Laura: I want to thank Laura Coratie, I believe – I think that’s how you say your last name, Laura, but she was really, really generous about – she e-mailed me like, literally, right after she got the ticket and offered it to me. And we spent some time on the phone talking about how excited we were and then we met up with her and we hung out with her for a few hours, too. She came by our hotel and we all went out to dinner together, and she was really, really nice.

Andrew: We bought her pizza!

Laura: Yes.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: You give us a ticket…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: …we buy you pizza.

Eric: God, I want pizza.

Laura: And she was really great, so thank you again, Laura, like, I…

Andrew: Unless your name is Lucas.

[Laura laughs]

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: It was really great to get it.

Micah: And I would like to thank Mariah Wilson-Barrone. She actually came all the way from New Mexico to be there, and I just lucked out, because apparently she was with two other people who had a child, and they didn’t know if the child was going to be able to sit on the parent’s lap, which ended up happening, and that freed up my ticket. So, thank you to Mariah.

Andrew: We called Micah like 15 minutes before the event actually started…

Micah: [laughs] Yeah.

Andrew: …and I was like, “Micah, run down here!” And he ran. When he came, he was out of breath. He was like, “Dude, you shouldn’t have done that to me.”

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Andrew: But, Micah, you’re in shape. You work out. Come on, man.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: You go to the gym.

Micah: I made it there.

Andrew: Yeah, you did make it there just on time. Just on time. So, yeah, okay.


Meeting Jo


Andrew: Now let’s talk about when we actually got to meet Jo. Let’s see, who went up first? Laura went up first?

Laura: No, Micah did.

Micah: I did.

Andrew: Oh, Micah did.

Laura: Micah was before me.

Micah: I did.

Andrew: Micah, how’d it go?

Micah: It was good. It was good. It was a quick “hello,” and I – I don’t know. Maybe there was a connection there, I’m not saying anything, but…

Andrew: [laughs] What, you’re not saying anything?

Micah: Yes.

Andrew: That’s very suggestive.

Micah: There was a connection, you know. We had that little site update thing going on.

Andrew: Right, right, right.

Micah: No, but it was cool. It was definitely cool and – said, “hello,” she said, “hello,” and not as exciting as the two of you, but…

Laura: Oh, yeah. [laughs]

Micah: Well, at least Andrew – Andrew’s was coolest, but…

Andrew: [laughs] Thank you.

Laura: The thing that’s really disappointing about it is, you know, you think, you know, Eric, you’re sitting here saying, “You met J.K.R., you met J.K.R.,” and it’s like, I stood in front of her for ten seconds and we exchanged about five words.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: And I had a MuggleNet shirt, and as they took my book from me and started to hand it to her, I slid it on the table and she looked up at me while she was signing someone else’s book, so I felt kind of bad for them, and I was like, “Hi, I’m Laura from MuggleNet and we just wanted you to
have this shirt on behalf of our staff.” And I just kind of babbled something about how we love her or whatever, and she was like, “Oh, cool, thank you so much!” And she like, looked, you know, right up at me and she smiled really big and then she signed my book and then the Scholastic people shoved me away, and they gave me another signed copy on accident, and then they took it away from me when they realized what they did, so I was very disappointed.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: Oh, god.

Andrew: So then I’m going up. A few rows later, I’m going up, and I got my man Lucas behind me, and I’m like, “Lucas, I can’t do this, man. I can’t say anything to her. I’m just – I’m going to lose it. I’m going to
screw it up.” And he’s like, “No, do it. You have to do it. You have to do it.” So, I got inspired to do it and just say that I’m from MuggleNet, that’s all I was really whining about. And I’m about to go up, and this kid a few spots ahead of me gives her a high five, and I’m thinking, now that would be a cool story. I could say I said “hello”, I could say I gave her a handshake, or I can say I gave Jo a high five.

[Eric laughs]

Ben: You should’ve gave her a high ten.

Andrew: A high ten. [laughs]

Ben: If you really wanted to go for it all.

Andrew: Double the – yeah, why didn’t I do that? Damn it.

Ben: Dude, yeah, yeah. You screwed it up.

Andrew: I fail.

Ben: Don’t even finish the story, now.

Andrew: You’re right. Well, no, I have to finish the story. She had one hand always signing stuff anyway, so I was like, “Jo!” I came up to her and I said, “I’m Andrew from MuggleNet.” She gave me like a silent, like, “Ahhh.” Like, I’ll illustrate it for – I’ll make a sound for podcasting purposes. And I was like, “Jo, can I have a high five?” And she keeps staring at me, while she’s finishing signing, you know, this book. Book number, like, 1,800. And then finally, she comes up, and it’s like, it’slike slow motion, it’s like [sings] da da da da do doo…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: And like, she did it slow, because, you know, she’s high-fiving the Andrew Sims. It’s a big moment for her. So she’s coming up for the big high five, you know?

[Ben laughs]

Andrew: And then boom, we made contact, and I was like, “Yeah, Jo, you rock!” And then I went off and was happy. [sighs] So, that was that. Over all, great event. [laughs] We’re all very happy we went.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: And – wow, I guess we’re all now winded out.

Laura: And I’m fearing for the life of my copy of the book [laughs], here at school.

Eric: Laura…

Andrew: Okay, so…

Eric: …what’s your dorm number again? [laughs]

Laura: What?

Eric: What’s your dorm number?

Laura: Uhhh, no.

Eric: How good’s…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: How good’s campus security, Laura?

[Ben laughs]


HUH!? E-mails of the Week


Andrew: Okay, now it’s time for just a quick two Huh?! E-mails of the Week. My voice is dead, so I can’t do it to the full potential. Two of them – as everyone knows, we didn’t have a show last weekend because our voices were gone. We were all sick and sort of busy in New York City. So this first e-mail comes from Josh, 14, of Florida. He writes:

Monday…

He quotes what I said on the MuggleCast.com blog.

Monday, 7 PM, Laura calls and tells me her voice is gone. That’s what I put on the blog. He says, Laura calls you and tells you her voice is gone. Sounds like a load of crap to me, but you are entitled to say what you like.

[Ben laughs]

Andrew: Explain to me how exactly she calls and tells you her voice
is gone when her voice is, well, gone.

[Laura and Ben laugh]

Andrew: Sorry, didn’t mean to come off rude or anything. Don’t cry.
Josh.

[Laura laughs]

Ben: That is funny, though.

Laura: Wait, what?

Ben: Because I used to work in an office, and I did a lot of tech stuff, and I had people e-mail me and tell me their e-mail wasn’t working.

[Eric and Andrew laugh]

Laura: Well…

Ben: You know what I mean?

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: So, it’s the same thing.

Eric: Same deal. I used to work for my school district and lots of people would come in, but they had to do a guest account and stuff. That’s how they did it, but yeah.

Laura: Wait, so what is this Monday 7 PM…

Andrew: That’s what I wrote on the MuggleCast blog. I had a schedule of events.

Laura: Oh okay.

Andrew: Okay, so listen, Josh, I mean, if you lose your voice, you still have a raspy voice. You don’t completely lose it. We didn’t mean literally her voice jumped out of her throat.

Laura: No, and Andrew and I are both sitting there and our voices are cracking like we’re 13-year-old boys.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah.

Laura: I mean that’s what we sounded like. It was really bad.

Andrew: Yeah. So, sorry, Josh. Sorry. Sorry, dude.

Eric: It’s not like Ursula came up and got Laura to sing and then, you know, took her voice.

Andrew: Yeah. You know what, Josh? You caught us. You caught us. We just wanted to annoy you. We knew you would catch us.

Laura: We were thinking, “I want to annoy Josh from Florida. I’m going to lose my voice just for him.”

Andrew: Oh, good. Okay so next Huh?! E-mail of The Week comes from Miranda, 19, of South Dakota:

Now that we know that Dumbledore is gay, how do you think this will
affect the last two movies? In the book, he’s never portrayed as being flamboyant, but I’m afraid now the movie people (specific, I know) will try to portray his character as a stereotypical gay person.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Not that I’m against gays at all, but I’m afraid that it will ruin the character of Dumbledore by trying to bring in characteristics about him that aren’t in the books just because of this revelation. What do you guys think?

Laura: Dumbledore not flamboyant?

Eric: Have you guys seen Stardust?

Laura: Are you kidding me? That man is like the definition of flamboyant.

Eric: Yeah. Just not necessarily tied to gay.

Laura: No, no, no.

Micah: Well, you know, I’ve got the answer.

Andrew: Well, we do have a lot of respect for our listeners, but, listen Warner Bros isn’t going to change the movies just because of this fact. They’re not going to do anything.

Micah: Even if they did, you wouldn’t be able to tell because Michael Gambon can’t act, so… [laughs]


Show Close


Andrew: [laughs] Right. I think that just about does it for today’s show. This was another very long show but I guess it makes up for us not being around last week because we did “lose our voices.”

Laura: I really did!

Andrew: Which is really strange, Laura, Micah, and I. All three of us. I guess we all caught the same thing, whatever weird thing that was.

Eric: Were you guys kissing again? Snogging in the backroom?

Andrew: There was a little of that. Not going to lie.

Eric: Have you guys all seen the Caption Contest, by the way?

Andrew: Yes, we have. Eric, re-did the entire Caption Contest. Go to MuggleNet.com for more details.

Eric: Sweet.

Andrew: I think that does wrap up the show for today. We need to give you some contact information, though, just in case you have some rebuttals or any other problems with us. Or maybe you love us so much, you just want to give us some love. Laura what is the P.O. Box if people want to reach us that way?

Laura: It’s P.O. Box 3151

Cumming, Georgia
30028

Andrew: Laura, you told us the other day your mom reported that a glass pickle came in the mail?

Laura: It did and I can’t remember the name of the girl who sent it. I will get that, though and report to you next week. But yeah, she did send a glass pickle. So…

Andrew: Thank you. Can I have it?

Laura: Yeah! Sure. [laughs]

Andrew: There are also other numerous ways to contact us. Of course, you can call us via the MuggleCast hotline. If you’re in the United States, you can dial 1-218-20-MAGIC. That’s 1-218-206-2442. If you’re in the United Kingdom, you can also dial 0-208-144-0677 and if you’re in Australia, you can dial 028-0035-668. You can also Skype the username MuggleCast. Just go to Skype.com to download the program for free and give us a call that way. Just remember no matter which way you call us, to keep your message under 60 seconds and try to eliminate as much background noise as possible. Maybe we’ll try to get to some voicemails next week about the whole Dumbledore being gay topic. I’m sure lots of you have some responses whether they are negative to ours or good to ours. Just keep in mind no matter how many calls we get with people saying, “No, you guys are wrong, Dumbledore being gay is wrong,” you’re always going to get shutdown by us no matter what you say.

There is also a handy feedback form on MuggleCast.com, or you can contact us with your questions, rebuttals, comments, etc.

And do not forget our community outlets. We have the MuggleCast MySpace,
the Facebook, YouTube group, Frappr group, Last.FM group, and fanlisting. The fanlisting does exist but some new forums are coming soon. Of course all of this information is over at MuggleCast.com.

Eric: dot com.

Andrew: Hey, don’t forget MuggleCast ringtones! Okay that is it. I need a drink.

Laura: Oh, wow.

Eric: Hey, guys, if you’re in Australia, thank you for coming out toe MuggleCast Down Under, it was freaking awesome, and if you have any questions, stuff about shirts, that sort of thing, and if you want to tell us how much you loved the event, mugglecastoz at gmail dot com. MuggleCast-O-Z.

Andrew: We apologize for taking two weeks off, but we won’t do that again. Sometimes we just get really busy, especially with school going on now, but we are going to work the kinks out.

[Show music begins]

Andrew: And we’ll get some live shows going on soon. I have the mixer set up but there are still a couple kinks I need to work out and I need to buy a couple of little small things. Laura, I’ll be seeing you tomorrow.

Laura: Yes, we’re getting together for the release of Leopard. It’s very exciting!

Eric: What’s Leopard?

Andrew: Heck yes! Leopard’s the new OS 10 operating system for Macintosh.

Laura: And where are we going, Andrew?

Eric: Oh, I thought it was a show when I read the e-mail.

Andrew: We’re going to…

Andrew and Laura: [singing] Baltimore!

Andrew: [singing] Every day’s like an open door!

Eric: Oh, geez.

Andrew: I’ve seen Hairspray four times now.

Laura: I’ve only seen it once.

Eric: What’s the title of MuggleCast this week going to be?

Andrew: Dumbledore’s Gay.

Eric: No, that can’t be the title.

Laura: Dumbledore Takes It.

Andrew: Oh, Laura, we’re still live.

Eric: People are – or Andrew’s quote. Guys Have Holes Too.

Micah: What?

Andrew: What?

Eric: That was Andrew’s quote. He said that.

Micah: What? You cut off.

Andrew: You broke up.

Eric: Oh. Guys Have Holes Too.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Should I cut that or should that stay in?

Eric: Yeah you should – keep it. Keep it, keep it.

Micah: Ehhh…

Laura: I thought it was hilarious. This show is going to offend so many people anyway.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, you know, I’ll put a disclaimer at the beginning of the show.

Eric: Just call it “Offensive Content.”

Andrew: We thank you all for listening, we hope nobody was too offended and we were getting off topic a little bit. We’ll see everyone next week for Episode 118 for MuggleCast. Once again, I’m Andrew Sims.

Ben: I’m Ben Schoen.

Eric: I’m Eric Scull.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: And I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Andrew: Bye-bye!

Laura: Bye!


Bloopers


[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: That’s really all the news is about.

Laura: I know. All it’s going to be is Micah going, “Dumbledore is gay.”

Andrew: “Back to you.”

[Laura laughs]

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Transcript #116

MuggleCast 116 Transcript


Show Intro


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Andrew: Today’s MuggleNet podcast is brought to you by Borders. In May, thousands of Harry Potter fans descended upon New Orleans for the Phoenix Rising Conference. Borders was there to take in the sites and share a lively discussion of the series that has bewitched the world with some of Harry’s most dedicated fans. Listen in and watch the action yourself. Check our The Phoenix Rising, Borders Book Club
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[Intro music starts]

Micah: Because sometimes pigs are made for slaughter, this is MuggleCast Episode 116 for October 8th, 2007.

[Intro music keeps playing a little louder]

Andrew: Well, we’re back for another week of Harry Potter podcasting here. Or should I say, I’m back. Hehehe..

Laura: Wooo.

Andrew: Thanks, Laura.

[Laura and Eric laugh]

Andrew: And also Jerry’s here again and joining us this week.

Jerry: Hello.

Andrew: Because nobody else wants to talk to you guys anymore.

[Eric laughs]

Eric: It’s just the 4 of us. It’s just…

Andrew: Yeah, I’ll tell you what, the news has been so slow lately.

Laura: It really has.

Andrew: There’s nothing to talk about anymore.

Laura: I feel really depressed, like, I think about the times before the book came out and just how much news we had and now I just look at the main page and it’s dead.

Andrew: Yeah, we would have spent an entire episode just on the news.

Laura: [laughs] Yeah.

Andrew: Now it’s like an entire minutes just on the news.

Eric: Actually, just last week it took us 40 minutes to get through the news. That could have been me, but… [laughs]

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Well, oh yeah, and there’s that whole thing with the tickets.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: But…

Jerry: Yeah.

Andrew: So, we’re going to get through some news this week and then we’re going to have some Muggle Mail and apparently nobody like the name change.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: You guys were like, making fun of me. We don’t have to call it Muggle Mail. We can keep calling it rebuttals. I just thought…

Jerry: I like it.

Laura: Muggle Mail’s fine. I just like to make…

Jerry: Because they email it…

Laura: Fun of you. I’m sorry.

Andrew: Last week you’re like [blows raspberry]

[Laura laughs]

Eric: I think it’s because some of our listeners posts their e-mail?I mean… No mail is posts…

Andrew: What? Posts are e-mail? That’s an oxymoron.

Eric: No…

Andrew: Mail as in e-mail?

Eric: Well, Muggle Mail. You know most of the wide world calls it post, therefore…

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Just the fact that you’re using Muggle Mail is strict Americanism that should be stopped dead, but…

Andrew: Oooh, I get it.

Jerry: Muggle groups!

Laura: Oh no! Americanisms on an American show.

Eric: You can’t call it Muggle Post because that’s copyright.

Andrew: It doesn’t roll off the tongue as well.

Eric: And it doesn’t roll off the tongue.

Andrew: Muggle Post. Muggle Mail. Muggle Mail, Muggle, Mail, Muggle Mail.

Laura: I like Muggle Mail better.

Andrew: Yeah, basically.

Jerry: Me, as well.

Andrew: I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: I’m Eric Scull.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Jerry: And I’m Jerry Cook.

[Intro music continues louder]


News


Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum is in the MuggleCast News Center with this weeks past Harry Potter news stories. Hey, Micah.

Micah: Another set of JK Rowling’s autographed Harry Potter books has been put up for auction by the National Braille Press last week for the Hands On! Books for Blind Children charity. This organization “strive[s] to eliminate the literacy gap that separates blind children from the mainstream.” The auction will continue until October 25, 2007, at 9:00 PM EDT and on the next day it will be featured live at the gala hosted by The Tonight Show‘s Jay Leno.

The Order of the Phoenix movie is not the world’s 6th highest earning film accumulating a staggering $933.9 million worldwide. Sorcerer’s Stone is at number 4 with 976.5 million. On top of that the 5th film has surpassed Goblet of Fire‘s US sales of $290,013,036 earning its self $290,189,393.

In a new interview with Variety, Harry Potter producer David Heyman discusses what lies ahead for him after the last two films as well as what it has been like to work with actors both young and old. Heyman takes little credit for the development of the young stars citing their relationships with actors such as Gary Oldman and Maggie Smith:

“It’s because of their commitment and curiosity to develop their craft. We’ve given them the platform, but they’re here because they’re good.”

Finally, The Daily Mail is reporting that the 11-year old nephew of Voldemort actor Ralph Fiennes is set to be cast as young Tom Riddle in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. Director David Yates says he has found someone to play the part, but couldn’t comment on who it is:

“I’ve found a really interesting kid to play Riddle. I can’t tell you who it is yet– it’s early days.”

That’s all the news for this October 8th, 2007 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.


News Discussion: Harry Potter is Wizard of the Month


Andrew: All right, thank you Micah. We have, as I said in the intro, as you can tell by Micah’s news, there was some news, there wasn’t a lot. Not as much to discuss, either. One thing I did want to point out. J.K. Rowling Wizard of the Month for October is Harry Potter.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: It’s sort of been building up. It started with the Four Founders, and Godric Gryffindor was last. Then it went to Dumbledore?

Laura: Yeah, he was a Wizard of the Month. I just don’t remember when.

Andrew: And then it was to Voldemort. I know Voldemort was last month and now it’s Harry Potter, and I’m just thinking, she keeps building up to the greatest Wizard of the Month sort of seems like what she’s trying to get across. Now, I’m wondering who’s next. Who could be greater than Harry Potter?

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Or do you think she’s going to go back to normal wizards? Know what I’m saying?

Eric: Ginny Weasley, his…

Andrew: Ginny Weasley?

Eric: This is what the thing will read: “Wife of Harry Potter puts up with all his crap, and his angsty moods.” No, I really don’t know.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: I don’t know. I just thought it was some Food for Thought because…

Laura: Yeah, it’s interesting.

Andrew: …it seems like it keeps building up.

Eric: Yeah…

Andrew: The wizard. They’re getting bigger and bigger.

Laura: I just wonder how much longer she’s going to keep doing that.

Andrew: The Wizard of the Month?

Laura: She’s going to run out of Wizards eventually.

Andrew: Yeah. That’s true. Can’t have a Wizard of the Month…

Jerry: There is a paragraph of work. I mean, come on.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s true.

Jerry: She can manage it.

Eric: It’s not like she’s writing books.

[Eric and Andrew laugh]

Eric: But, I mean, it can be done automatically. I mean, it is just the first of every month. If it isn’t already…

Andrew: I’m sure Jo’s not sitting there…

Andrew: Oh, I’m sure Jo’s not sitting there, “Oops, 7:00! Publish.” Like, you know.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Sorry, not 7:00, but…

Eric: Why not? Why couldn’t J.K. Rowling have a direct hand in her website? That’s how I imagine it.

Jerry: I’d like to think she does.

Andrew: Jo’s not sitting up at midnight every…

Eric: When I go to JKRowling.com – Hey, Andrew, I’ve sat up at midnight and hit publish before on that little section of MuggleNet I do. And…

Andrew: Well, you’re insane like that.

Laura: Ok, so yeah you’re not a best selling author, either.

Eric: I just imagine… That’s true. Not yet. Not yet, that’s true. Not yet. But, it’s – I just imagine that it’s Jo to us, you know what I’m saying?

Andrew: I would love to see…

Eric: That he updates JKRowling.com.

Jerry: Her hand presses that button.

Eric: Like, when the door locks, for instance. I imagine it’s her on the other side of the door, not letting us through. [laughs] It’s just me.

Laura: Well, it is, but she doesn’t – it’s all automatically done. It’s timed.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Jerry laughs]

Andrew: I would love to see the admin panel for that site.

Laura: Oh, that would be cool.

Andrew: [weird voice]I would love to see the Administration Panel.

Jerry: Or is it all just kind of flash programming?

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, I think that – I wonder if Jo has like, you know how like we have MuggleNet Accio. I named it that, MuggleNet Accio.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: I’m meaning like all-encompassing. I wonder if she has one where like she clicks the tabs and updates the site herself or…

Laura: J.K. Rowling Accio.

Andrew: If she just – yeah. [laughs] She just e-mails like Lightmaker.

Jerry: Mhm.

Andrew: Like, you know, “Here’s my latest blog post. Post it, please.”

Eric: Well I wonder, because it begs the question, how many other people do we know…

Jerry: Hmmm.

Eric: Because Lightmaker makes a lot of other sites too. We know a few people who they’ve made sites for, don’t we?

Andrew: Well, Emma Watson’s official site is created by Lightmaker.

Jerry: Yeah.

Eric: Oh, yes, of course.

Andrew: That’s the most recent one. There are some other ones. Let me just go on their website real quick.

Jerry: The official website design company for Harry Potter movies.

Andrew: Right. Well, not the Harry Potter movies, are they?

Jerry: No, no. Harry Potter actors.

Andrew: Okay. Kid’s Choice Awards, they designed the Kid’s Choice Awards site for Nickelodean. Dominion Chick. Whatever that is. The FA Girls United, which is “a microsite supporting the England Women’s Football Team.”

Eric: Oooh, interesting.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: How are they doing, Jerry? Have you ever seen that?

Jerry: [laughs] Didn’t know they existed? Shows how much attention I pay to sports.

Andrew: Oh, wait, looks like they also do a lot of video games, sports pages.

Jerry: I wonder if Jo’s site was their big break in mainstream sites. Big mainstream sites.

Andrew: I would think so.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: I wonder if she found them.

Andrew: I’m looking at their portfolio now and there’s a lot of more recent, like, video games and stuff like that. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire and also Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix website, I think I remember was created by Lightmaker too.

Jerry: Hmmm.

Andrew: So, they get around. They definitely get around.

Jerry: Hmmm.

Andrew: Moving on. A new actor…

Eric: Wait! Wait! Wait! Wait!

Andrew: What?

Eric: Quick speculation on Harry being the Wizard of the Month in October.

Andrew: Go for it.

Eric: As opposed to July, where July’s when he and, obviously, J.K. Rowling are born. Now, October was – I mean, Halloween night, October 31st was the night that Voldemort attacked Harry. Do you think that has any significance here? Like…

Jerry: Yeah, could be.

Andrew: Well, maybe.

Laura: Well, yeah, that’s what I was thinking.

Eric: Because, like, October’s when Harry first brought hope to the world. Though, arguably that was in November. Because the beginning of the first book is either November 1st or 2nd dependingif you subscribe to the Lost Day theory or Missing Day. But it’s – McGonagall says, I wouldn’t be surprised if this was Harry Potter Day in the future. And it was because like it’s the day that everyone is running around with cloaks and stuff and was all happy? So, do you guys – like I would have thought it would be kind of November or something. Or, at any rate…

Laura: Well…

Eric: I think people should kind of pick that up and have celebrations on November 1st or 2nd as opposed to just, like, July 31st for Harry parties.

Laura: I think the point is that Voldemort actually attacked them on October 31st. And, of course, people were celebrating the next day. So, I think that’s…

Eric: The next day’s a whole other month, though.

Laura: Okay. But, I think that if there’s any significance to her making Harry Wizard of the Month of October, it’s because October was the month in which his family was attacked.

Eric: Yeah, okay.

Andrew: But then begs the question, why would Voldemort be Wizard of the Month for August?

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Sorry, September, September.

Eric: I mean, just looking at it. If you think about it, if he attacked them late at night on October 31st British time, it was already November 1st in New Zealand.

[Andrew laughs and coughts]

Laura: Okay. And she clearly cares what time it was in New Zealand.

Jerry: She has a huge dice that she rolls

Eric: But it puts a kink in the Missing Day theory, because technically anything happened on two days. So, I don’t know, but – Just my thoughts.

Andrew: You know, speaking of, like, a big Harry Potter Day, a lot of people are trying to organize a big event. I’m trying to find e-mails now, because I know I’ve been e-mailed about it. Have you guys heard about this? It’s, like a big Harry Potter day – oh, what year is it? It’s the day in the Epilogue.

Jerry: King’s Cross, yeah.

Andrew: And everyone wants to gather…

Laura: Oh, at King’s Cross Station.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jerry: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. Have you guys heard about that? I’m trying to get the exact day.

Laura: Yeah, I did.

Andrew: But it’s so far off from now, that I just think everyone’s going to forget about it.

Eric: It’s like 2026. Andrew, when you do that, the other thing is still on Harry Potter in the text-only site, or actually anywhere. For Wizard of the Month, it says, “Potter joined the reshuffled Auror Department under Kingsley Shacklebolt at age 17, rising to become Head of said department in 2007.” So, she’s actually made it so that in the storyline, which she now subscribes to, surprisingly. The storyline is that Harry just became Head of Auror Department this year. So, if he were living…

Andrew: Oh, Okay.

Jerry: Perhaps it was this month this year.

Laura: Hmmm.

Eric: Well, it just says in 2007. So, she made him Head of the Department this year so I bet everyone’s really happy. I bet Severus is really happy for his daddy.


News Discussion: Tom Riddle Actor


Andrew: Yeah, that’s cool. So,I guess moving along now. New actor to play Tom Riddle. Previously in Chamber of Secrets it was Christian Coulson. But this is a young Tom Riddle so he had to be recast. And I don’t think Christian Coulson was up for it, anyway.

Eric: You don’t know that.

Andrew: I thought we heard he wasn’t up for it.

Eric: Oh, did you?

Laura: Yeah, I heard he wasn’t interested.

Eric: That’s a shame.

Andrew: But then I was just looking at his IMDB profile – well, first let’s get to the story and then we’ll talk about it. Titan Tiffin is supposed to be cast as the young Tom Riddle. This comes from a recent article in the Daily Mail, so it’s not the most reliable source, but it seems to be picking up some steam here. And David Yates was quoted as saying, “I’ve found a really interesting kid to play Riddle. I can’t tell you who it is yet. It’s early days.” Meaning early days in the filming process. However, it seems like with Goblet of Fire and Order
of the Phoenix
with my experience, even before they started filming we would get these casting confirmations. But it seems now that Warner Brothers is trying to hide all of it until later. Which seems kind of strange.

Eric: Well, what kind of cards do they have to play? They can’t hide a book. So… [laughs]

Jerry: Hmmm.

Andrew: Yeah, I know. I know. So, this guy has a little connection to Ralph Fiennes. He is the eldest son of Ralph’s younger sister Martha, an award-winning film director, and Old Etonian George Tiffin, a novelist and film producer. Martha’s the award-winning film director and George Tiffin, his father is a novelist and film producer. But a quick search on IMDB will reveal that Titan Tiffin has never been in
a movie or anything before. So, he’s going to be a brand new actor.

Jerry: But he has an amazing name.

Andrew: It is a cool name. Ttitan Tiffin.

Jerry: Very cool name.

Andrew: Yeah. So, we’re still waiting on confirmation on that from Warner Brothers. We have no idea how old this kid is or anything, so I guess we’ll just have to wait.

Eric: I’m pretty sure there will be, as soon as it’s confirmed. There will be all sorts of information on him. And the thing that I have with IMDB is that great actors like Ian McKellen often do a lot of stage plays, and there’s no – that stuff just doesn’t show up on IMDB anyway. There’s just no place for it if they do stuff on stage in acting.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jerry: Hmmm.

Eric: So, it’s possible he does have acting experience.

Andrew: He could. Yeah, that’s true.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: There was just nothing listed – movies, TV shows. He doesn’t even have a profile on there.

Eric: Oh, yeah. Not even commercials are listed on IMDB, which is a shame. Or music videos. Well, maybe music videos. I’m not sure.

Andrew: He’s a nobody.

Laura: Yeah, I do wonder how old he is because in the book we see Tom Riddle as an 11-year old and then as a young adult.

Eric: Yeah. We see him through various stages of life.

Laura: So, yeah.

Eric: I don’t want Christian Coulson to play 11-old Tom Riddle, but I wouldn’t have minded–I was actually supporting him being the 25-year old one, or something like that. I mean, if it can’t be done, or whatever–but they’ve got to cast several Riddles, is the thing, don’t they?

Andrew: Right.

Laura: Yeah, that’s what I would think.

Andrew: Well, I was looking at Christian Coulson’s IMDB and he’s not doing anything right now, at least when it comes to movies or TV shows. He has been doing things like this year and last year, but they’re all complete. He has no films in pre-production or currently filming, so I guess some people just aren’t interested in coming back, or maybe they didn’t even approach him. Who knows. But they do need him.

Eric: Yeah, well, it could help. Some little continuity between the films. We’ve been talking about that before on the show.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Just some general kind of principles that would help it move along a little bit easier.

Andrew: Right. Okay, moving along, unless anyone had any other news they want to discuss?

Eric: I don’t – news, let’s take a look at the schedule.

Andrew: Professor McGonagall’s birthday, but other than that, there really isn’t much going on.

Jerry: Book auction? I don’t think any of our listeners are in the market for 40,000 pounds.


Announcements: Vote on Podcast Alley


Andrew: Yeah. There’s book auctions all the time, too, so we really never talk about those. All right, I guess that’s it. Moving on to announcements now, don’t forget to vote for us on Podcast Alley. It is a new month, as the co-hosts mentioned last week. And by looking at the top ten list, we’re number five right now.

Eric: Hooray.

Andrew: That’s okay, I guess. We used to be number one.

Laura: Who are we under?

Andrew: Nobody Likes Onions. We’re under the Super Secret Backstage Show, whatever the heck that is. Keith and the Girl is number two, Free Talk Live is number one.

Laura: Okay.

Andrew: So, we encourage everyone to please place their vote over at Podcast Alley. We like being in the top ten list because Podcast Alley is one of the sites that a lot of press go to to check out what’s hot in podcasting, and we like to be featured in news articles because we’re always referred to as those Harry Potter kids, those Harry Potter podcasters. So, be sure to vote for us – hmmm?

Eric: [laughs] I still remember your acceptance speech at the Podcast Awards, Andrew.

Andrew: Oh, yeah.

Laura: Oh, that was so good.

Andrew: Why the hell did those Harry Potter kids?

Eric: I know what you’re thinking. How did Harry Potter – yeah. It was great.

Andrew: How the hell – yeah. I should have been like how the heck did those Harry – because I’m sure that was what they were all really thinking.

Eric: Well, I think you shocked the wine-tasting guys. The wine-tasting guys were all really shocked that you said that.

Andrew: Really? Why? They taste wine. And they’re shocked at Harry – whatever.


Announcements: MuggleCast Down Under


Eric: Okay, next announcement. Mugglecast Down Under, guys. Listen, everybody. Mugglecast Down Under. Mugglecast in Australia. T-shirts now available for pre-order. Yes, I’m reading this from a script. Listen, guys, t-shirts for the event are now available. What we’re doing is we’re pre-ordering them because actually we’re giving away these t-shirts–well, not giving them away, but we are selling them. They’re twenty Australian dollars each. What they’re doing is they’re actually funding the shows. So just quick information, we have about three hundred people we’re expecting to attend, but the problem with that is venues are quite tricky to find. We’re still looking for places to accommodate our rising numbers, and pretty much the only way we can do any of this is through pre-ordering t-shirts. Otherwise we have to charge at the door, or something like that. So basically, we have these cool t-shirts ready for you, and they’re actually quite awesome. You can choose from two different colors, and if you would like a t-shirt, please, please, please pre-order ASAP through Mugglecast.com, and you will get one. You can choose what event you’ll be at. It will be amazing. These shows are going to be great. We have lots of cool stuff planned, and I think the official dates are the 19th of October in Sydney, after school for those people who were worried, the school kids, and the 21st of October in Melbourne, mid-afternoon.

Andrew: Awesome.

Eric: And that’s pretty much it. Mugglecast Down Under in a box.

Andrew: Laura… Thank you, Eric. Laura and I were talking about this earlier, and we realized you really have your act together for this. This is pretty impressive.

Laura: Yeah. It’s really well-organized. I was very impressed.

Andrew: You got quite a good event going on here. Not to say that we didn’t think you could do it, but you got quite the event going on here.

Eric: No, no, no, not at all. And I will ask you guys, as soon as we have a venue, I’m going to ask you guys to try and contribute content. Because depending on what kind of multimedia stuff we can get, I want – if you could record a bit of video or something for the Sydney fans.

Andrew: Yeah, that’d be fun. Just for the Sydney fans.

Laura: Yeah, that’s cool.

Eric: Well, and the Melbourne fans as well. But the Australians are going to want you there, so it’s just natural that you have a hand in the show.

Andrew: Yeah. I’m going to have Steve Erwin in mine.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Well, I might have to edit it.

Andrew: Why?

Eric: Because we’re looking to have a projector screen and stuff at some of the venues, and we’re actually looking in lecture theaters and stuff like that, sort of around the unis is our current status. So…

Jerry: That’s cool.

Andrew: Cool.

Laura: Andrew, you just reminded me of being at the aquarium.

Andrew: Why?

Laura: Do you remember that? When we were at the manta ray tank.

Andrew: Oh, yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Wait, what? Oh, god. I already know what happened, without knowing the story. It’s horrible.


Announcements: Ringtones and Jamie


Andrew: Hey, don’t forget, Mugglecast ring tones are also available over on Mugglecast.com. I really need to add a link. I’m going to add a link on the Mugglecast website. I just realized that there is no link, so that’s probably why nobody’s getting them right now. So there are Mugglecast ringtones for sale, right now my wizard rock single is – I’m going to get the Mugglecast theme song up there sometime this week as well, so be sure to check them out. They’re only a few dollars, and we only get about half of that, so it goes to supporting the show. So thank you very much if you do purchase one. Another more depressing announcement.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Jamie is going to be off the show for awhile because he is back in school, so he won’t be on for a few weeks. And I’m just saying it because otherwise we’re going to start getting emails once he starts disappearing for a couple weeks. So, just so everyone knows now, he will be off the show until his winter break because internet does not work there at Durham University. Well, his internet connection is not fast.

Jerry: And winter break is about the first week of December.

Eric: You hear that, Durham? You’re slow.

Andrew: However, Pickle Pack members are still getting a dose of Jamie every week because that still works for him.

Eric: Yeah that we can’t exactly…

Laura: When do they go on winter break there?

Andrew: Ummm, early.

Laura: Is it the beginning of December?

Jerry: Yeah about, first week.

Andrew: I’m guessing it’s the beginning…

Jerry: The first week.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Oh, okay. That’s not bad.

Andrew: Yeah, okay. And also just one thing I wanted to touch on quick because we do have all this new studio equipment, well I do here in my room, I just wanted to mention we are starting to consider taking, doing more regular live shows. We actually did a test live show just for Pickle Pack members via Ustream on Friday, and that went over pretty well. We had some technical glitches but it was a test to show, it was a test show to make sure everything is working okay which it seems like it. We’re still ironing out a couple of glitches but once we get through those we should be able to put together some seriously good live broadcasts. And we want to know what everyone thinks about that, maybe like once a month doing a live show. And one of the things we started considering as of lately was having Eric and Laura and even Micah come over to my house to record together, because if we’re all together to record, not only would we interact a lot better but it would also sound a lot better. I mean these sounds – these episodes do sound pretty good edited but just the interaction you would notice better chemistry, better quality, just overall a better show.

[Everyone laughs]


Muggle Mail: Refilling Basin


Andrew: Okay, yeah, let’s move on to some Muggle Mail now…

Eric: Ooo.

Andrew: …because you guys don’t want to call them rebuttals, I don’t know. I guess this first email is a rebuttal.

Eric: From Kevin, age 19, location Germany. Subject is the refilling basin, not an inconsistency. Heard about us from the MuggleNet main page.

“In episode 115, Laura, Kevin, and Eric were talking about the Horcrux in the cave and how Voldemort had to refill the basin when he’d made Kreacher drink the poison. You said it was a small inconsistency but it doesn’t necessarily have to be one. You have to realize that the locket wasn’t in the basin before Kreacher had emptied it. Voldemort only dropped it there afterwards (see chapter 10). This leads me to the thought that whatever potion was in the basin in the first place was probably not exactly the same one Regulus and Dumbledore drank later. It might not have even been made by Voldemort because why would he fill the basin without putting his Horcrux in first. So, I think he used a potion which would refill itself after someone drank it and he filled the basin with it for the first time at his trip with Kreacher. I know I might be nitpicking, but it’s fun.”

And then there’s a little emoticon.

“Hear you all, love the show, Kevin.”

Laura: Hmmm…

Jerry: I would have thought that Voldemort would’ve put potion in first so to make Kreacher drink it just to test the potions efficiency.

Laura: Yeah, that’s what I thought.

Eric: Does he test his own work? Does he have faith in his own kind of thing by now? Is he suave in his step?

Jerry: Depends on how egotistical he was then, doesn’t it?

Eric: Yeah, it does.


Muggle Mail: Micah Not Seeing Order of the Phoenix Early


Andrew: Yeah. The next rebuttal comes from Laurel, 22, of New York. She writes:

“Just wanted to send a note in defense of Micah not having seen the most recent movie right when it came out.”

Because as most people know we were ragging on Micah a couple days ago or a couple weeks ago for not seeing the show. Well, you guys were. Sorry, not seeing the movie yet.

Laura: Yeah, it was me and Jamie.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

“A person’s love of a book, any book, cannot be measured by their excitement, or lack thereof, to see the movie. That would sort of be like saying that a person doesn’t legitimately enjoy Charles Dickens writing if they weren’t first in line to see ‘Great Expectations.’ I consider myself a very devoted fan of the ‘Harry Potter’ series and read all of the books many times, but I have not yet felt any need to see all of the movies. I did see the first movie and was rather disappointed and so I skipped the next few and only saw the most recent because a rather attractive guy asked me to go with him.”

Mhm.

Laura: Oooh.

Andrew: “Anyway, the point is, give him a break guys. The movie doesn’t even compare to the books. Apples and Oranges, folks.” Ummm, I like to stick up for…

Laura: Okay…

Andrew: …Laura and Jamie right off the bat and say that they were just playing.

Laura: Yeah, we really weren’t being serious. And also, we do run a Harry Potter talk show, so…

Andrew: Yeah, so it is important…

Eric: We are expected to see this kind of stuff. But at the same time I mean I guess apples and oranges. But yeah, wow, that’s interesting seeing the first movie and being so disappointed that you wait until the fifth. Huh.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: And only because an attractive guy asked you out.

Eric: Yeah, well clearly there’s other things…

Laura: That’s a good reason to go.

Eric: …on your mind, which is great you’re a more well rounded human being than us geeks, but…

[Eric and Andrew laugh]

Eric: …that’s sad. Ummm, anyway…

Andrew: I mean so it was just something I wanted to point out, that we’re not – most of the time we joke on here and I don’t know if you guys know Jamie very well but when he tends to run into like a good joke or something he likes to run with it and keep going with it, for the duration of an episode. Say like the Prison Break thing, or this. There’s other examples, I can’t just…

Laura: Yeah, and we all like to give each other a hard time like…

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Because we’re all friends here so…

Andrew: Yeah and it was funny because once, while I was editing that show Micah saw it, he wanted to see it before I actually released the show because he was afraid that he would get too much crap about that, so…

[Laura and Eric laugh]

Andrew: So, there’s also a second part of this email that Laura and I guess the rest – and I sort of wanted to address too.

Laura: Yeah.


Muggle Mail: Harry’s Fate


Andrew: “There’s one other little thing that I thought I’d mention since I am writing in and it has been bugging me for quite a while. I can’t remember which host said this but before Deathly Hallows came out, and you all were debating whether or not Harry would die, it was mentioned several times that basically once he killed Voldemort, Harry wouldn’t have anything to live for since Dumbledore, Sirius, and his parents were dead. So he might as well kick it. That sentiment struck me as unbelievably heartless and really disgustingly insensitive. Millions of people grow up without parents or family, but God willing, they have to move on. Hopefully, putting the worst of it behind them and get through it. I would like to think that a character, about whom seven books have been written, countless website devoted to, and who is the subject of your very own podcast, would have the strength of will to overcome such a misfortune and go on to lead a healthy life. I just hate to think of any people or children out there who have suffered the loss of their family and loved ones hearing you guys saying that they don’t have anything to live for. Maybe an apology would be in order. Anyway, sorry for the overall critical tone of this e-mail. I really do like your podcast and have enjoyed your debates and speculations on the books. Keep on keeping on. Cheers, Laurel.”

Eric: Okay, whereas I was thinking – whereas we weren’t really joking about Micah, we were really serious he’s a loser for not seeing the movies, we were actually joking about this whole Harry should kick the bucket thing. I don’t know who said it, I don’t think it was me, but we are not condoning that people with no parents and no family should die and that’s…

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: …that’s just the bottom line. That actually was a joke. I’m sure, I’m sure it was a joke. Without knowing who said it, I know that it was a joke.

Andrew: It sounds like something I would say. I don’t know.

Laura: Well, and also remember during the lead up to Book 7, we had the debate segment a lot and a lot of what the debate segment was surrounded around was stuff like should Harry live or should Harry die. So, and what I think listeners should know is that we would randomly be assigned sides to these issues and we had to argue them even if we didn’t agree with them. So it wasn’t necessarily a matter of I do think Harry should die, it’s a matter of oh we’re having this debate to bring forth different viewpoints so I’m going to argue that Harry has to die. It’s not actually that we thought he should. You know?

Andrew: Right.

Eric: And I assure the world that we’re all glad that he didn’t.

Laura: He… uh yeah, okay. Again I bawled through the whole chapter where I thought he was going to. I was very upset.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Laura: I was relieved when he didn’t and I really don’t think that – even if anybody on the show did say that Harry, who is a fictional character, should die because they feel like most of his loved ones are dead and that I don’t know if they would think that he would be reunited with them in the after world, that’s the only way I could think of anybody actually justifying that, I really don’t think that can actually be linked to us saying that real people have nothing to live for if their family’s dead.

Eric: That is well, yeah. That’s true. That’s an inappropriate connection.

Laura: I don’t think anybody on this show would ever say that.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, so we’ll move on from that, but every once in a while we like to clear things up.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Okay.

Andrew: That was one thing.


Muggle Mail: Pettigrew in Gryffindor?


Eric: From Zarah, age 14, location West Plains Montana. Right, MO?

Andrew: Missouri! Missouri!

Eric: Oh, what?

Andrew: Oh come on. You’ve been out of this country way too long.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Time to come back buddy.

Eric: What’s Montana then? MA?

Jerry: Oooh.

Andrew: MN.

Eric: MN? That’s Minnesota dude.

Andrew: Is it?

Eric: Yes, it’s Minnesota.

Andrew: I’m pretty sure.

Eric: Jerry, Jerry, resident Brit, look it up. Find out what MO is. In the mean time…

Laura: MO is Missouri.

Eric: [laughs] “Why was Pettigrew in Gryffindor? On Episode 115 I really liked Micah’s explanation of why Pettigrew was a Gryffindor.”

Me too.

“However, as I was listening to the voicemail I immediately thought of Dumbledore’s quote in ‘Deathly Hallows.’ Sometimes I think we sort too early. I’m not saying Dumbledore was referring to Pettigrew as well as Snape, but it is possible” – or rather – “is it possible that Pettigrew was braver when he was 11, and that he grew to be a coward as he aged. I’d love to hear what you think, and Laura you’re my favorite. Pickles, Zarah.”

Laura: Awww, thank you.

[Jerry laughs]

Andrew: I just want to clear up real quick, Minnesota is MN, Missouri is MO, Montana is MT.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: So does that mean I was right the entire time? [laughs] Ha! Oh yeah!

Andrew: No.

Eric: 10 years in a foreign country, American-ness still intact!

Andrew: What are you talking about?

Laura: What?

Andrew: What are you – you said Montana.

Laura: [laughs] Montana.

Eric: Yeah, was MO.

Andrew: No!

Laura: No.

Andrew: MO is Missouri.

Laura: It’s Missouri. [laughs]

Eric: You said MT was…

Jerry: I’m having fun.

Andrew: No, MT is Montana.

[Laura laughs]

Jerry: Listeneres will judge.

Andrew: I’m looking at the United States Postal Service website.

Eric: It’s your neck if it’s MA.

Andrew: It’s not MA. Laura did I say that? Jerry?

Laura: No, you said it right.

Andrew: Yeah, I had it right.

Eric: Sorry. Sorry, Missouri is – well I was right about Minnesota though. Minnesota is MN.

Andrew: I said Minnesota is.

[Laura laughs]

Whatever. No. Okay maybe you were right about that I thought Montana was MN.

Eric: But we’re both wrong. We’re both wrong, and that’s okay.

Andrew: Well, ut you were wrong first. So, I beat someone.

Eric: I was, yes, I was. I concede.

Andrew: Okay. Next rebuttal, Lisa, 27 of Charlotte – oh, was there anything else to talk about, about that other e-mail?

Laura: Ummm.

Eric: Just Dumbledore and asking whether or not that related to Pettigrew, if he was born a coward or if he was raised a coward.

Andrew: Oh right, right, right. I think we’ve talked about this on the show, people can change.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: I mean, especially in the beginning of their magical career ’til the end. Like…

Eric: So do you think…

Andrew: I think that’s why we’re saying the Sorting Hat is almost flawed because, you know?

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: It sorts you – but, then again, is it smart enough to really put you in the right house through your entire seven-year career?

Laura: Yeah, I mean it can’t really tell what you’re going to grow up to be necessarily. I mean, there’s no proof that Pettigrew was going to grow up and end up betraying his friends to their deaths. So….

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Hmmm. Then again, he could have chose…

Jerry: Hmmm.

Eric: As we talked about last week, there was a pretty good point raised about how he could choose to go to Gryffindor because you know, he didn’t want to be with the scary Slytherins, but at the same time you know, he ended up in the house of their mortal enemies, so. Yeah.


Muggle Mail: Expelliarmus


Andrew: Right. Next rebuttal comes from Lisa, 27, from Charlotte, North Carolina.

Eric: What was that Andrew? Next rebuttal?

Andrew: Next MuggleMail. Whatever. I’m going to say rebuttals forever when I do that transition.

Eric: Fair enough.

Andrew: Next MuggleMail,Lisa, 27 from Charlotte, NC, that’s North Carolina for those of us living in New Zealand and completely lost touch with the United States.

[Eric laughs]

“There was an argument about whether Harry defeating Voldemort with the Expelliarmus spell was not a good ending. Well, JKR set us up to know how very important that spell was in one single line. Please remember when the DA first got together in ‘Order of the Phoenix’ and Harry wanted to teach them to disarm, and one of them thought it was a waste of time. Harry said that the spell had saved his life. There’s your connection, the spell saves his life and therefore it is important. I guess I kind of look at it as foreshadowing, what do you think? Next I agree with Laura, Voldemort was too smart for his own good. It’s like Einstein, he was a genius but couldn’t write a grocery list. Also, Eric have a Coke and smile man, you seem uptight!”

[Laura and Eric laugh]

I don’t think so.

Eric: Well, thank you Andrew, no no I – I’m still not convinced though.

Andrew: Bad week?

Eric: I’m still not convinced.

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: I mean, I love the scene in Order of the Phoenix when, it was when Zacharias Smith was in the DA and he was talking about, oh you know we’re going to learn how to use Expelliarmus and that’s going to save our life, and Harry just with that snappy retort like, it saved mine last year. That was good, but I didn’t expect Jo to pull that card for the next two books. I mean, I thought it was a good sort of, you know, realization, but just the fact that the final battle ended in Expelliarmus is still and may always be just disappointing for me. I’m sorry I feel that way. I’m really sorry Lisa from NC, North Carolina, now that I’m knowing the postal things again. I’m sorry, but I think I’ll always feel that Expelliarmus was a rip off, and I’ll always feel like it was used too many times, just like Polyjuice Potion and stuff. I just wish it were different, that’s all.

Andrew: But I think Lisa provides a good argument, I mean.

Laura: Yeah, I think so too.

Eric: What, that it saved his life there, therefore it should be used every single time Harry has to escape a battle?

Andrew: I don’t… I don’t…

Laura: No, but it is a nice little bit of foreshadowing.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Like Harry specifically said “it saved me from him last summer” so I mean it saved him from Voldemort who had just gotten his body back, and was somewhat at the height of his newly-restored power because Harry didn’t really know anything about Horcruxes at that time.

Andrew: Right, right.

Eric: Well…

Laura: He didn’t have the knowledge that he did in Book 7, so…

Eric: Can you call it foreshadowing, or just a reoccurring plot theme, or plot device, or something. You know, plot device. Harry needs to defeat a wizard that’s over competent for him, Expelliarmus!

Laura: Well it could be, yeah, it can be a recurring plot device that’s also used for foreshadowing.

Eric: Yeah, I’m just trying to – see, I’m trying to strip everything that I thought would be foreshadowed as opposed to everything that turned out wasn’t, so for instance we can’t really talk about certain things about the chamber. There were certain references people picked out to the Chamber of Secrets in Book 5 and 6 thinking that it was going to be a really big thing in Book 7 and it wasn’t, and so a lot of people I just know were disappointed. I mean, I guess this rebuttal is pretty – this rebuttal is alright. Sorry, I seem so uptight! I should sing and dance a little bit more. If you guys watch my Blickles, I sing and dance all the time. But you know, whatever.


Muggle Mail: Attendance in Book 7


Andrew: One final e-mail this week, comes from Rebecca, 20 of Boone, North Carolina. She writes:

“Hey guys, love the show! I’m listening to Episode 115 right now, and you brought up the point that why would parents of any normal, ie non DA or kid of a Death Eater student, allow them to remain at Hogwarts while it was obviously overrun by dark magic. I’m currently rereading Book 7 and on page 210, Lupin tells the trio, attendance to Hogwarts is now compulsory for every young witch and wizard. It’s a change, because it was never obligatory before. Thanks a lot for the awesome podcast, y’all.”

Okay, well thanks for clearing that up.

Eric: Yeah, that was intelligent.

Laura: Yup.

Andrew: A little sarcasm, what?

Eric: No, I was not being sarcastic.

Andrew: Okay.

Eric: Why do people think I’m being sarcastic? That’s why a lot of people really – no no, that was really intelligent, that was…

Jerry: Maybe you’re picking up a New Zealand tinge in your voice, and it’s making you come off a bit sarcastic.

Eric: You know, I hear Australians are the most sarcastic people in the world. I don’t know if that’s true.

Jerry: Mhm.

Eric: They also talk about goats a lot, but that’s a side reference.

[Jerry and Eric laugh]

Just the Australians I’ve met working for this event. But apparently sarcasm – no, but I really liked that. That was – and that quote, I don’t know how they would make people go to Hogwarts. That’s cool that they are, but that’s just, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah. So, that’s good.


Main Discussion: The Morality of Dumbledore


Andrew: Yeah, so this week, our main discussion, quit a lengthy and sure to be interesting discussion written up by Eric.

Eric: Woot!

Andrew: The Morality of Dumbledore a.k.a. the Magical Pig. Am I missing something here?

[Eric laughs]

Laura: Yeah, I don’t…

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: No, it is like Harry Plopper from The Simspons Movie. But that is what I thought of when I wrote “The Magical Pig” which was the original title of this discussion.

Andrew: Oh okay.

Eric: You guys it will make sense in a while I will tell you.

Jerry: Okay.

Eric: It is time to reach a conclusion here as we have seen seven books of happenings to guide us. Few episodes – okay, blah. few episodes ago we were asked if it was “Moral” the Dumbledore may have been and I quote “Raising Harry like a pig for slaughter,” do you guys get it now. And are you familiar with the term?

Laura: Yeah.

Jerry: Mhm, vaguely.

Eric: “The Magical Pig.”

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Dumbledore is raising Harry for slaughter, okay. It is true that in seven books Harry has Dumbledore guiding him subtly and not so subtly until finally becoming the one that maps out his entire fate. Therefore, was it morally correct encouraging Harry psyching him into battling Voldemort when the outcome was likely to be Harry’s own death or is Harry was the only one who could defeat Voldemort, is it good that Dumbledore bestowed so much care and guidance, love that Dumbledore showed in raising Harry to fight that it overrules anything bad or was Dumbledore just saving his own skin or putting the Wizarding World before a boy? What do you guys think, just generally on the side?

Andrew: But was it likely? Was the outcome likely to be Harry’s own death?

Eric: Well, I think it was. Wasn’t it?

Andrew: When we go back to point one?

Eric: Well, ever since the day…

Laura: Well, yeah.

Eric: …of the prophecy “No one can live while the other survives.”

Andrew: Well, I don’t see how it is likely if he would end up living throughout the story anyway.

Eric: He died. You remember.

Laura: Well, I think…

Eric: He did die.

Laura: …no he did not die.

Andrew: He didn’t die. He was in Limbo. He came close I guess you can say.

Laura: Yeah he was between worlds, but I think a lot of the point was that Dumbledore had to be very, I guess, categorical in his raising of Harry. Like, instilling in him the unconditional moral obligation that was binding in every circumstance. And it was not dependent at all upon Harry’s purpose. So like, Harry could not know that he had to die or else that might have changed his perception of how he should fight up until that point. Because, but Dumbledore not telling – by Dumbledore not allowing Harry to have that knowledge until the last possible minute, it really made all the difference. Because Harry really was not looking toward to the final battle as “I have to die” in Book 4. He was looking towards, as “I have to defeat Voldemort.” So, he does not have the whole idea of his death looming over him. Which I think was a big crucial part of this.

Eric: Well…

Jerry: It definitely is a case of knowing something about yourself affecting the way you see the situation. I mean, I have just been reading – not to make a tangent here – His Dark Materials and that’s also got permissive about the main character having a destiny to fulfill that is they knew for themselves it would change the entire course of the experience.

Eric: Well, that’s is the thing. So much of Harry’s destiny wasn’t certain it just seems that Dumbledore is a manipulating old man. Maybe we were meant to think that in light of Book 7 but it just seems that Dumbledore manipulated Harry quite a bit and it does not even matter not telling him his destiny that he could face his destiny because from what Dumbledore said a lot of the prophecy was, you know, kind of set in store only if Voldemort acted on it and Voldemort would always choose to act on it and sort of other stuff would happen and it was not entirely clear. So what I have done is I have mapped out some examples of times in the book when Harry looked up to Dumbledore. So, all you guys have this so I would not mind if you guys take turns reading so it is not all me talking. So, Laura?

MuggleCast 116 Transcript (continued)


Mirror of Erised


Laura: Well, first of all what we have here is that Dumbledore saw his family in the Mirror of Erised just as Harry had and he lied about what he saw. He told Harry that he saw socks and so by doing this he was keeping a distance from Harry?

Andrew: [laughs] But is it a lie though? Like, it is so stupid that Harry’s…

Eric: Well no, it’s not.

Andrew: …he is joking isn’t he?

Eric: [laughs] and it is funny I guess I should not have made the first point, He lied about socks [laughs] for the discussion, but…

Laura: But, I do not think that the point here is that he was trying to distance himself from Harry but I think that it was very painful for Dumbledore to look in the mirror…

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Laura: …and see his family there.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: It is probably not something that he wanted to talk about.

Jerry: Mhm.

Laura: And Harry even noted that it had been a very personal question.


Dishonesty Early On


Eric: Okay. Okay so how about then, and this is the first disappointment I had. Number two, at the end of Book one in the hospital wing, Harry asked him flat out the first question and it references later in the books, he asked why Voldemort wanted to kill him and Dumbledore does not really tell him and that really is understandable. He justified it in Book 5, was it? That Harry was too young to know of the prophecy, I am kind of okay with that but lets move on to the Book 2 events.

Laura: Really?

Eric: Yeah might be, might be. [laughs]

Laura: Well see, I am kind of surprised that you would say that because I love the way that she did it in the book think the point was to show that Dumbledore was not perfect and to take – I guess the best move that he could have taken would have been to keep Harry informed about the prophecy from the start probably. Honesty is the best policy.

Eric: Hm.

Laura: So, when you look at Dumbledore, like if that were a real life scenario that would be a huge problem but he waited five years until after Voldemort had come back and Voldemort had killed people that Harry cared about to actually tell Harry what his….

Eric: Well, wait a minute you are right. Wait a minute, he only told Harry about the prophecy after Sirius was dead.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: So maybe there is more to be gained by this whole – Laura you are right. You bring life into my own eyes, I appreciate well…

Laura: Well, I think the point is that Dumbledore was human and made mistakes.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: And his mistake was he cared too much. And he did not want to worry Harry. So…

Eric: In this main discussion I do not want to just say that Dumbledore is a flawed character. I agree with that. I am sure we all agree with that now. I want to determine that Dumbledore was, not sinister but seriously flawed. Beyond the sort the compassion of an old man. Some of this stuff as the title or the ex-title says, “Harry was raised like a pig for slaughter.” Dumbledore just basically focused all of his attention to Voldemort and that is all Harry could think about and often times ignored Harry and treated him “questionably.”


Back to the Mirror


Andrew: Yeah. I sort of want to – are we going to go to all these points and try to defend Dumbledore too? Because, for the first point I sort of want to stick up for Dumbledore and say that Harry was too young at the end of Sorcerer’s Stone when they were looking into the Mirror of Erised. I think that one is excusable, you cannot go into details with Harry at that point.

Eric: Well, Dumbledore could have warmed up to him and said, “You know I see my family too. We come from similar families and I know what it is like to lose a brother too.” You know? He could have, you know, lose a…

Andrew: “And, that is that.”

Eric: They could have said that.

Andrew: “Tell you more six years from now.”

Laura: Yeah, but also think about the student-teacher relationship.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: And I mean…

Andrew: You have to keep the distance.

Laura: …obviously that changed a lot as the books went on as things got more serious, but I am sure at that point Dumbledore was thinking about protecting Harry by not becoming overly-involved in his life because what else could to do to Harry Potter to make Voldemort want to kill him more.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: …than being best friends with Dumbledore.

Eric: That is true.

Jerry: Well, I think we can safely say though, that even if Dumbledore hadn’t talked to Harry about [break in audio] and Dumbledore visits the young Tom Riddle in the orphanage in that scene, and Tom Riddle asks him if Dumbledore is going to keep and eye on him, and Dumbledore says, “Of course.” I’m sure Tom Riddle didn’t know most of the time that Dumbledore was thinking about him, but I’m sure he was.

Laura: Yeah, that’s true.

Eric: Good point, Jerry.


Asking For Answers in Book 2


Andrew: In Book 2, Dumbledore does not confide in Harry, but instead asks Harry to confide in him to guilt Harry to be entirely open with him.

Laura: What are you talking about?

Andrew: Yeah, what are you talking about?

Eric: Do you remember the scene, well at least in the movie, where Dumbledore asks Harry, “Do you have anything you wish to tell me?” And Harry really feels guilty that he is not telling Dumbledore about the voices he is hearing in the corridores.

Jerry: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Laura: Right, yeah, that was in the book.

Andrew: Did that happen in the book?

Eric: It’s in the book as well.

Laura: Yeah, I think so.

Eric: It seems that Harry only found out that the Chamber was openned through Dobby, through Collin Crevey in the hospital wing that night, and maybe it was Dumbledore’s intentional wording to say that the Chamber of Secrets has been openned again, but it just seems like sort of an off hand thing where Dumbledore lets Harry get up to his own stuff, but then when it comes time and Harry actually does find the culprit, as he tends to do, it just seems like Dumbledore is like, “Well have a way at it, Harry.” You know? And he just let’s Harry deal with everything, and it is one thing to let Harry be free, but Dumbledore really could have invested a little bit more time in not only just talking to Harry, but Dumbledore could have had a bigger presence in the outcome of Book 2, I think. Not that Harry needed him there, because he did fine on his own, but I think it would have been a lot less dangerous for a 12-year old in the Chamber of Secrets with a basalisk if Dumbledore was on his side. We see this great scene in Book 6 where he says, “I am with you Harry,” and there is this whole Dumbledore-Harry thing. I am saying that could have happened as early as Book 2. If anything, Dumbledore the headmaster of the school, knowing so much about the school and sort of leaving Harry to his own accord with Hermoine Granger who thank god wasn’t killed, but petrified searching the library and finding out what the creature was. I’m saying Dumbledore could have had a little bit more of a hand in that, don’t you guys think?

Andrew: I guess so.

Laura: So, you’re basically you are saying that Dumbledore should have been more involved in the investigation that the trio was doing in the Chamber?

Eric: In Book 2 it’s interesting how Dumbledore behaves, because of all the uh – when Fawks bursts into flames and Harry get’s sent to his office after the Justin Finch-Fletchly incident, he basically says, “I don’t suspect you, but I’d like you to tell me everything you know.” That’s like sucking Harry dry for information and not giving any in return in a way. I mean…

Laura: Well…

Eric: …he gets his concent sort of thing where he is like, “I am not going to convict you, blah, blah, blah,” but it just seems like there is some part of Dumbledore that is never fully explained about why he doesn’t really care as such. He has his own headmaster duties to attend to I’m sure, but if the whole thing is about preparing for Voldemort, Dumbledore could have been doing it a lot earlier than he was. Maybe that is a character flaw.

Andrew: I think if Dumbledore were to get involved with the trio’s discovery of the Chamber of Secrets and learning more about it, I think he would have been either too afraid to give them too much information or just he didn’t want to help them, because again the student-teacher relationship, helping them get into the Chamber of Secrets and discover it, he would – what’s the wor for it?

Eric: I’m not saying he could help them, I’m saying he could…

Andrew: He would approve of it.

Eric: I’m saying he could prevent them. He could find it first or something. In a way, Dumbledore might not have known that Harry could speak parseltongue until at least the event at the dueling club, but I think that it just would make sense, even in the myth and the lore of the Chamber – a monster that only the heir of Slytherin could control, Dumbledore knew by this point that Voldemort was the heir of Slytherin or the current heir of Slytherin or highly suspected him or something, and there should just have been a little more caution taken by Dumbledore. We don’t know what steps Dumbledore took in the school. The school was facing closure.

Jerry: Mhm.

Eric: Dumbledore himself was expelled, in what? You didn’t hear it in Two? As early as Year 2, it seems like there is merrit in all of these things that the Ministry is saying. I mean all these attacks and Dumbledore is just sitting there.

Andrew: Yeah…

Laura: I just can’t help but wonder what else he could do. I just don’t feel like that even if he were willing to help the trio find the Chamber, I don’t think that they would have confided that in him.

Eric: I don’t think that they – and that’s fair enough. He did ask Harry to confide in him. Harry said “no,” and that’s a lie. You are right in a way, but additionally, Dumbledore could find the cave, and know what you had to do to open the cave, terrific, how to pull the boat even though you can’t see the chain, and that’s not enough. He’s not a Parseltongue. I do think, it just seems that Harry, Dumbeldore lets Harry do his discovering all year, but it just doesn’t seem very wise as a parental figure or as the headmaster of a school to let your students go in danger without first knowing the extent of it yourself is quite dangerous, and no matter what Dumbledore says about wanting to give Harry a fighting chance, it just doesn’t seem all that practical.

Jerry: I guess what you have to…

Andrew: Maybe Dumbledore… Yeah?

Jerry: I guess what you have to say is that looking past the actual characters themselves, if Dumbledore had all the answers and helped Harry along it wouldn’t have been a very good book, would it? It would be hardly any character development and there would be hardly any story.

Laura: That’s the thing.

Eric: Oh Jerry! Don’t tell me it wouldn’t have made a good book!

[Jerry laughs]

Eric: It would have made a great book.

Jerry: It would have been a lot shorter.

Andrew: Maybe Dumbledore would have stepped in if he had realized they weren’t doing what had to be done. Or maybe he was keeping an eye on them and checking in to see what they were up to. And plus, he needs to let Harry do these things on his own so that he can be prepared for fighting Voldemort in the end.

Eric: That is exactly what we are talking about, Andrew.

Andrew: What?

Eric: We are talking about raising Harry as a pig for the slaughter, so is Dumbledore or isn’t Dumbledore doing that?

Andrew: Dumbledore…

Jerry: I think if he was raising him as a pig for the slaughter, he wouldn’t have done anything to help him, not anything.If he wanted to…

Eric: Why not?

Jerry: …he would have stopped adventuring because all that stuff, built up his courage and the scars. Dumbledore would have wanted to raise him as a placid pig.


Harry “The Fighter” Serves Everyone’s Best Interest


Eric: Well why not? It’s in everybody’s best interest that Harry is a trained fighter. It’s in everybody’s best interest that I’m just taking an interesting stand point here, or trying to. [laughs]

Laura: Right. Well, the question is then, did Dumbledore know that Harry wouldn’t die, because if he knew that Harry wasn’t going to die, then he knew that he wasn’t raising him as a pig for the slaughter. Snape just thought he was. See what I’m saying?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Well, I don’t think that he thought he really was going to die, but at the same time you bring up a fair point about…

Laura: Well I think there was though.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Knowing that the blood relation or whatever since Voldemort shared Harry’s blood, it tied him too the earth, etc. The thing is and I don’t think you guys, I mean maybe you guys picked this up, but Dumbledore told Harry he had a choice whether or not he was actually dead at the scene. He could choose to have died at that very moment or he could chosen to go back and feign death for a little bit and then defeat Voldemort, and Harry did choose life which is a great big thing about choices, but because of the ambiguity or because of the choice Harry had to die or to live I still consider that moment as Harry’s death in a way. I mean your heart can stop beating and it can still start up again. You know what I’m saying? So, I choose to believe that Harry did die when that happened, and it’s simply that, you know, he chose to come back and he was able to like Neo – like Neo, you know in the Matrix? But, you know – but I choose to believe he died, and I also choose to believe death was a necessary part of the thing for Harry. That’s my chain of reasoning for that, and even though he did come back.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: I would like to think that Harry did die, and that’s why – that’s where the fuel is coming saying the inevitability of Harry’s death makes him being raised by Dumbledore.

Laura: Well, see, I don’t think he died, though. Because…

Andrew: He died. Jo said this herself, I think.

Laura: Well…

Eric: There are points where Harry’s scar hurts so much that he thinks he’s going to blank out. That’s almost dying, or that’s almost passing out.

Andrew: All right.

Laura: Yeah, that’s kind of far away from dying.

Jerry: Well, I think you can say that part of the soul that’s living inside him died, and perhaps that’s what allowed him to experience that…

Andrew: Yeah.

Jerry: …near-death experience.

Andrew: That was it, wasn’t it?

Laura: Yeah, but it was a near-death – see, I don’t…

Eric: But, you see, he’s come so close to near-death, is all I’m saying. I want something to make this special in my mind, because he’s gone – Harry’s gone so close to near-death. He’s head has been splitting in two, he’s been possessed, he’s this and that, and the other thing, and it’s just – that’s why I just pass it off as this was a death of Harry’s. I mean it was Harry’s death even if…

Laura: But see…

Eric: Even if he was faking it the entire time, and maintaining consciousness. It was a death of Harry’s, as far as many people are concerned.

Laura: I think the important concept here isn’t necessarily his death, but his willingness to die for those people at Hogwarts, because it wasn’t – I mean, yes, Lily’s death was that act that actually gave Harry the blood protection, but it was her willingness behind it, her absolutely laying her life down, with no questions, that gave Harry that protection, and I think Harry having that same willingness for the people at Hogwarts is really what is important.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: And that’s what protected them, not that he died.

Eric: Did he have this willingness, or that Dumbledore…

Laura: Yes, he…

Eric: Dumbledore himself was dead.

Laura: He walks to his death.

Eric: Everybody else was dead, you know, Harry had nothing to live for in his own mind. And please don’t write in – please, he’s not saying he had nothing to live for.

Laura: Wait a second. Ginny, Ron, Hermione, the Weasley’s minus Fred, they were still all alive.

Eric: I was just proven wrong. I just – I stand corrected.

Jerry: You could have just said Ron.

Eric: Well, Dumbledore himself – I’m saying this could all be an affect of what Dumbledore bestowed in Harry. You know what I’m saying? That’s – that again is the point of the main discussion. I’m saying that all of these thoughts could just be Dumbledore’s inside Harry, and was it moral for Dumbledore to do this to Harry, to make him, you know, not value himself over anybody else, and, you know what? Maybe that’s a trait Harry already had.


Did Dumbledore Brainwash Harry?


Jerry: Are you saying that effectively, Dumbledore brainwashed him?

Andrew: Yeah, he sort of did.

Eric: Well, did he – did he? That’s the question. Did he is the very question and we should just continue this, because we got a lot to get through, but I’ll skip it. I’ll skip it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: I mean, because…

Andrew: Well, okay, let’s talk about brainwashing real quick. I don’t – I don’t think he brainwashed him, because he wasn’t really giving him anything.

Laura: Yeah, exactly.

Andrew: He was brainwashing in the sense that – well, okay, no. He just wasn’t brainwashing him. He…

Jerry: He was more like conditioning him.

Andrew: He was fooling him.

Eric: Well, hy didn’t he tell him…

Laura: He constantly – he constantly gave Harry a choice.

Jerry: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: A choice? Was that really wise, then? To give Harry a choice all the time if – I mean, if…

Andrew: Yeah, because I think this is all part of his training.

Laura: Yes. This is all part of his training to become, you know, to be able to fight Voldemort.

Eric: I still think it’s like – I just think it’s like giving Harry choices like faking giving him a choice, because he didn’t have a choice, did he? He couldn’t walk away, because Voldemort would always look for Harry. Harry would never be safe. Him and his loved ones, it’s a Spiderman effect. He wouldn’t…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I think he did always allow Harry to go out there and do these things – do all these battles, you know, and in the Chamber of Secrets, in the maze, eventually going to fight Voldemort. But I think that Dumbledore was keeping a close eye on him and was willing and ready to step in if he was ever needed. I mean, you know, like look at Fawkes coming in, in Chamber of Secrets.

Jerry: Hmmm.

Laura: Yeah.

Jerry: He was definitely keeping – I mean we view the events in the book through Harry’s perspective, don’t we? And it’s quite clear that Dumbledore’s keeping a closer eye on Harry than Harry ever realized himself, and therefore, we’re kept in the dark about it too.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: But is that – is that moral? I’m not going to ask that question again, I’m just going to – that’s good though. That’s good. I mean, just let’s – let’s just keep going.


The Issues of Horcruxes


Andrew: Let’s keep moving, and then we’ll answer, “Is it moral?” Next point, Book 3.

Eric: Okay, at Book 2’s conclusion Dumbledore gets all the evidence he needs that Voldemort has a Horcrux.

Andrew: Oh…

Eric: He said that to Harry in Book 5 or Book 6, actually. “I thought I had all the evidence right there at the end of Book 2 when you handed me the diary.” But basically, besides standing up to Lucius Malfoy, he pretty much says his “please and thank yous,” and goes on his jolly way. If Dumbledore had banned – and been particularly harsh about banning Horcruxes, and the knowledge of them, as Slughorn says, Dumbledore is “particularly fierce about that kind of talk, and who-ha.” It seems Dumbledore would have banned them before that point in time, so Dumbledore would have banned the books on Horcruxes just after Voldemort left school, or certainly earlier. So, if – my chain of reasoning is that if Dumbledore knew enough about the sort of area that Voldemort was dipping into, ban Horcruxes and the books on Horcruxes from the school libraries, then it shouldn’t have been that much of an epiphany to Dumbledore about the diary, and I don’t think it was. In all of the story telling, Dumbledore was the one that brought up, you know, “I wish – why was it that Lord Voldemort chose to act through Ginny?” or something, and everybody was shocked, and because nobody had mentioned Voldemort, or Ginny, at that point before, you know what I’m saying?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: So, it’s like Dumbledore just got suspicions, and he got confirmation of suspicions. He basically relied on Harry, in Book 2, to bring him all the evidence he needs that – that Voldemort is making Horcruxes, and it doesn’t seem like that’s safe. I mean, again, it’s Hogwarts…

Andrew: I’m just going to keep on going back to this training thing, because, like, you know, okay, it could come across like Dumbledore’s having Harry do all his dirty work, so to speak, but then Dumbledore’s also doing some dirty work on his own.

Jerry: Mhm.

Andrew: We just don’t really ever hear about it. I mean, like, in Half-Blood Prince, in Order of the Phoenix, we know he’s doing dirty work, we hear that – we hear that he’s up to something, but we don’t know what.

Eric: At least then Harry’s 15. We’re talking about when he’s 12. You know, it’s like the thing. Okay, just like the thing where originally people were saying, “Could 11-year olds find the Sorcerer’s Stone?” Could they, or did Dumbledore want them to? I mean, I think it was an honest mistake that Dumbledore was in London that day, but he did come back and presumably, he actually did save Harry at the end of the first book. Presumably there was some kind of interference with what was left of Quirrell writhing, or whatever.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: And that would be a good point to bring up in this discussion. But just… Hmmm…

Laura: I think – I think something important to remember, though, is that would Dumbledore put such a high amount of responsibility on any 11-year old’s shoulders? No, he wouldn’t. The reason that Harry is different is because Harry had a full-grown wizard mark him as his equal when he was an infant.

Eric: Well…

Andrew: Mhm.

Laura: So, automatically, that puts him a step above everyone else.

Andrew: Above everyone… Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Fair point.

Eric: But he’s still a kid. He still needs love. He still needs all sorts of stuff that he hasn’t had and, I mean, Dumbledore felt sorry for him. And I…

Laura: He does, but…


Allowing Harry to Participate in the Triwizard Tournament and Not Recognizing Fake Moody


Eric: I agree that Dumbledore’s compassionate, but let’s continue. In Book 4, the seemingly apparent will of Dumbledore to keep Harry safe, except that it’s under Dumbledore’s order that Harry becomes the unofficial fourth champion. Remember, the founding people of the schools – Beauxbatons and Durmstrang – are kind of pissed at Dumbledore. They think he’s finagling a little bit and – and put Harry’s name in, or whatever. And Dumbledore says, “Well you know, the rules of the Goblet say whoever comes out must go in the thing.” Dumbledore could’ve kind of stopped Harry…

Laura: Actually, wasn’t that Crouch who said that?

Eric: …from going – from being the fourth tournament, from being the fourth champion, but, and this is what I wrote very biasedly, the culprit would only come out if Harry played the game and Dumbledore went all year talking to Moody without realizing that he was Barty Crouch Jr. What the heck? Don’t you know your old friend? What else important was he doing Year Four? I mean, what was Dumbledore doing that made him sort of – and Harry was the fourth champion and that was, if you ask me, that was one of the best examples of using Harry as bait. And he did so, so blindly with Moody being or with Barty Crouch Jr. being right next to Dumbledore all year long. I mean, I’m not saying Dumbledore isn’t a flawed character, because he is, but this – this is a serious flaw, I think.

Andrew: Well, the first point about Dumbledore ordering that Harry still be one of – still compete in the Triwizard Tournament. I mean, I just think that’s Dumbledore believing that whatever Triwizard – the Goblet says should be done. Whatever…

Laura: Also…

Andrew: It was the rules.

Laura: Was it really Dumbledore that said that?

Eric: Is it the rules?

Laura: Wasn’t it – wasn’t it Crouch that said “These are the rules, and he has to compete”?

Eric: Maybe it was, but Dumbledore…

Jerry: I think you refer to Crouch in saying…

Andrew: Oh! Oh yeah, yeah. I think Laura’s right. Yeah.

Eric: Hmmm.

Andrew: But I mean, well, then it could be argued that Dumbledore still didn’t object.

Eric: And Dumbledore still didn’t put…

Andrew: Dumbledore knew he was right.

Jerry: We don’t know the level of the bond though, do we? It’s a magical contract – we’re told it’s a magical contract. We don’t know what the level of that is within…

Andrew: That’s true. It’s true.

Laura: Oh, yeah.

Eric: It’s true though. Given what we’ve seen of Dumbledore’s power, I wonder if he could not override it, but…

Andrew: Hell, Dumbledore was probably excited he got in!

Eric: Well, no, no…

Andrew: Maybe a little worried…

Eric: He was scared…

Andrew: But at the same time, he’s training him.

Eric: Andrew…

Andrew: It’s part of his training.

Eric: That’s exactly what I’m saying though. Andrew, haven’t you seen the movie? “DID YOU PUT YOUR NAME IN THE GOBLET?!” [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, that’s a Michael Gambon touch.

Jerry: Wow!

Eric: Scared for Harry. And by the way, we’re skipping movie and Book 3 because I really had no complaints about Book 3 and Dumbledore. That was all right. He fixed everything with the time.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: nd Movie 3, I just wrote down the casting of Michael Gambon, but…

Andrew: See? See? Dumbledore had to step in. He had to step in.

Eric: Well, no. Book 3, I just argue it’s still one of the best books, so I don’t have a lot fo complaints about Dumbledore’s behavior. At the same time, though, Dumbledore didn’t object and Dumbledore – I mean, this is the Triwizard Tournament. You know, Dumbledore himself puts the age restriction that prevents Fred and George from putting their names in. I mean, Dumbledore himself protects this thing and then once Harry gets chosen, he lets him waltz right up. I mean, is that not – do I have no basis for any kind of evidence here? Any kind of argument?

Laura: I think Dumbledore was somewhat flabbergasted that Harry’s name came out fo the Goblet. Like, that’s – when you think about scenes that they copied almost exactly from the book onto the screen, that was one of them – where Dumbledore just sat there and stared at him.

Eric: Yeah, but it’s times like those when you have to act.

Laura: How did this happen?

Eric: It’s times like those when that’s where you have to do these things.

Laura: Yeah, but he – he’s not going to act in front of 500 students…

Eric: He did in the movie!

Laura: In the middle of the Great Hall.

Eric: He backed him up into the big trophy and started yelling at him.

Laura: No! He waited until they were somewhere private.

Jerry: Yeah.

Laura: That he didn’t have to yell at him in front of everyone.

Eric: Still, in the book he was like “Okay, Harry, please just tell me you didn’t put your name in the Goblet.” And most mysterious is the – the personage that he adopted really. But I still think, I mean – and going all year with Moody, with Barty Crouch Jr. as Professor Moody, that is actually a character flaw. I mean, that’s – that’s pretty intense, I think. No matter…

Laura: Oh, he was far too trusting.

Eric: Well…

Jerry: Hm.

Laura: But that’s what we’ve known about him all along.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: And that’s fair enough. So now…

Andrew: Yeah.


Harry Neglected in Book 5


Eric: Book 5. We found out at the end of the book that Dumbledore didn’t really want to be around Harry because he thought it might arise the dragon – the dragon that’s inside Harry whenever he looks, sort of, Dumbledore in the eyes because Voldemort’s looking through Harry’s eyes, or even if he’s not, the temptingness would draw Harry over the edge given the light of the new connection established between Harry and Voldemort. Now, but at the same time, you have to admit, when Book 5 opens, there does seem to be a serious amount of – well, a serious lack of news for Harry. He’s really pissed nobody’s writing to him about the slightest thing. Would it not be possible, and this is my question for Book 5, for anybody to have written in a letter and say, you know, “Harry, I suspect Voldemort can see into your mind and, therefore, it would be dangerous for me to contact you.”? A simple explanation like that…

Laura: Well…

Jerry: That would freak him the hell out though, wouldn’t it?

Eric: And again, and again, that’s about – I can see a response about letting Voldemort know how much you know, but I’m trying to see if there’s any kind of thing that could be done about Harry’s ignorance because nobody was telling him and it was really not making matters worse or better for anyone that Harry was left in the dark.

Andrew: I agree with that. Laura, were you going to bring up a point?

Laura: Well, I was going to say that if you send Harry a letter that explicitly says, “Hey, by the way, I think Voldemort can see in your mind, so I’m not going to talk to you”…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Is that any more awkward that any of the questions he would have had to face later?

Laura: If Voldemort…

Eric: I mean…

Laura: Well, it’s not a matter – it’s not a matter of awkwardness. It’s a matter of if Voldemort could see into Harry’s mind at that point and realize what the letter said…

Eric: Yeah. He would realize the connection himself.

Laura: Then that would be – that would be a problem. And he would have realized the connection much earlier in the book.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: And it was just speculation, but I think Dumbledore should have included Occlumency way before the attack on Arthur Weasley. But I mean then, one would – one would argue that he wouldn’t…

Laura: Oh, yeah. Oh, definitely.

Eric: Have seen the attack on Arthur Weasley and that would be a big plot point and Weasley would have died and Tonks and Remus would be with their happy child .

Andrew: Exactly.

Jerry: There would be lots of happy rainbows and sunshine.

Eric: But, yeah…

Andrew: Well, wait, wait, wait. I mean, Jo was planning on killing Arthur anyway. So maybe he was going to give him the lessons beforehand in, like, the original – one of the original layouts for the book.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Well, no. I think for the plot of the book, I don’t think he was going to give him lessons. I’m saying, assuming, and this is the whole thing, I guess, accepting that the books – accepting the books as books is one thing, but if you want to take them into a world and say “Was it really moral to do this?” Of course, it’s how the book is written. Of course, these are all plot points. Of course, the books had to be written that way. They were, but was Dumbledore a moral character for that? I mean, now it’s time to, sort of, suffer, in a way, as J.K.R. has written him, was it actually a bad idea to do what Dumbledore did? You know, no one agrees – no one disagrees rather that if the books were different…

Laura: Well…

Eric: If Dumbledore was different, the books would be completely different. That’s fine, but, you know, further.


Harry: The Sacrificial Lamb


Laura: Yeah. So you’re looking at this like a real world approach, like, is it morally acceptable to raise one person as a pig for slaughter for the benefit of the overall community. That’s the question you’re asking, correct?

Eric: Yes, and, I mean, because the thing is I don’t think it’s too unrealistic to make this a real world scenario only because…

Laura: No, I understand.

Eric: …the children reading this book are going to try and take or parents are going to try and take morals. Or, you know, people always argue in essays on Harry Potter, you know, the book has so many good themes and so many good – you know? I’m just trying to pre-empt anything that people might take out of these books. And I mean, I think one of the best ways to do that is starting with Dumbledore. I mean, our hero, the wizard – the aged wizard, the genre specific old wizard, wizened old man.

Laura: Right, and I think that’s a good question to ask. But I think the difference that comes in and makes what Dumbledore is doing acceptable to a point. I’m not saying that everything he did was right, because he certainly made a lot of mistakes. But, Harry also had that moral obligation to do what he did and I think that regardless of whether or not Dumbledore chose to help him, Harry would have tried to defeat Voldemort anyway. So, it was just to Harry’s benefit that Dumbledore decided he also had an obligation to help Harry, or to train Harry to defeat Voldemort.

Eric: So, do you reckon that Dumbledore was simply, you know, kind of, making sure that Harry was in an environment where he wouldn’t get too far in danger? Do you think that Harry was, I mean, do you think that Dumbledore was – yeah.

Laura: I think Dumbledore knew Harry was going to be in extreme danger. I don’t think that he was blind to that. But I think he also wanted to foster an environment in which Harry would be able to flourish, in a way.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Laura: You know, to be able to find out, to test his strengths.


What if Harry Relied Too Much on Dumbledore?


Andrew: Yeah. I mean, Eric, just imagine if Dumbledore was helping him through all this. Where would he have been when Dumbledore died? After Dumbledore died? He would have been lost, he would have been too reliant, he would have been looking for Dumbledore’s help and advice.

Jerry: That’s a fair point.

Eric: Are you actually going to make that argument?

Andrew: He would crash and burn.

Eric: Are you actually going to make that argument, Andrew?

Andrew: What? Which one? Which part?

Eric: Because Harry still relied on Dumbledore. After Dumbledore’s death…

Laura: Yeah, so imagine how bad it would have been.

Andrew: Yeah, exactly

Eric: After Dumbledore’s death – no, but you made the opposite point. You said that if he didn’t rely on him, then he would be in trouble, but he’s – you think, or you said, in your point, that Harry learning to cope on his own was essential, because, if he hadn’t learned to cope on his own…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, that’s what you said.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: But Dumbledore’s will and everything left all of the pieces of the clues of J.K. Rowling’s book series.

Andrew: But that’s exactly what they – but they needed those things. There was no other way they were going to get those items.

Eric: Right, but then it’s not a case of Harry learning to defend himself; it’s a case of Dumbledore fostering Harry, which is the whole point. Was it right to do that?

Andrew: That was very…

Eric: Or…

Andrew: That was a very small part of it. I mean, I’m not saying Dumbledore shouldn’t help them out a little bit. He should, especially when they absolutely need it. But when they don’t absolutely need it, which was proven through of the several books.

Eric: When was it proven that they don’t actually need it? I mean…

Andrew: Well, they went through, they successfully unlocked the Chamber of Secrets on their own.

Eric: Well…

Andrew: Dumbledore – Harry successfully fought Voldemort in Goblet of Fire.

Eric: Uh-huh.

Laura: He warded off hundreds of dementors on his own.

Eric: Well, that’s…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Actually arguable.

Andrew: He created a Patronus…

Eric: Only because of the time loop…

Andrew: …with the help of Lupin.

Eric: It’s already happened. The whole thing is somebody would have had to originally ward off the dementors, because Harry – saying Harry saw himself in a time loop means that there would have eventually had to be a first one. That’s just a paradox. I mean, I’m willing to just agree with you guys, but at the same time, some people agree that Dumbledore would have had to sort of mess with time and be the original person Harry saw, or something. And meanwhile, if J.K. Rowling ever felt the need to explain it, she could say that Dumbledore used Polyjuice Potion to turn into Harry to make him see himself. But…

Jerry: No. That’s a very weak argument. Physics doesn’t state that there has to be a first case.

Laura: Yeah.

Jerry: It’s a recurring loop because there’s two events that go around and around and around.

Eric: Yeah.

Jerry: I mean, he’s just seeing a point in the future. He isn’t seeing a first person do it and then do it again and do it again.

Eric: Well, that’s a question fair enough. Just, the whole will and testament and everything about Beedle the Bard and just the fact that Hermione could say, “Accio Horcrux books” and have them fly right to her, it just seems so flawed in a Dumbledorian sense, and I’m…

Andrew: When did she ever do Accio Horcrux?

Eric: That’s what she said. That’s how she got every single book on how to do a Horcrux.

Andrew: Oh, she did, didn’t she?

Eric: Yeah, she did. She said, “Accio Horcrux.”

Laura: But what does that have to do with Dumbledore?

Andrew: Yeah, that doesn’t really relate to Dumbledore.

Eric: I know.

Andrew: That is one of those loopholes. I think we’ve said on the show a couple of times, why can’t you just accio everything?

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Why can’t you accio Voldemort?

Eric: People were accio-ing me when they want to talk to me in the chat. I feel like some kind of celebrity of something and don’t know why. But…

Andrew: Yeah, I get accio-ed all the time.

Eric: Yeah, you get accio-ed a lot too, Andrew. Accio Andrew. But, anyway. [laughs] But it has to do with Dumbledore, because I’m just trying to see – well, okay. If Dumbledore was going to do it he should do it right and if Dumbledore, I mean, sure, he has flaws, but is Dumbledore raising Harry for, I mean, that’s – I don’t know that I’ve presented the right scenarios to attack the problem correctly. Maybe a listener, maybe Muggl eMail can help. But, I mean…

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Eric: I’m trying to just bring up this. It’s still a matter of what Dumbledore did and didn’t do.

Andrew: Well…

Eric: And, yeah.

Andrew: Let’s keep moving…

Eric: Let’s keep chugging along.

Andrew: …through the rest of the books.


Dumbledore Misleads Harry at the End of Book 5


Eric: In, we’re right here now. In, okay. At the end of Book 5, just quickly, “I’m going to tell you everything.” Now I’ve written this, I’ve written this specifically. This is the most self-conscious we’re going to get, or self-aware. Maybe that’s just the fault – It’s a book series, constantly evolving, so, maybe it’s not that much of an issue that Dumbledore said he was going to tell Harry quote quote everything, and then obviously there was more to follow that had to be spread across Books 6 and 7. So I’m saying, maybe that’s not that much of a complaint, but it’s still in my mind a complaint that…

Andrew: It is misleading.

Eric: It is misleading.

Andrew: I mean, it was misleading to us, too. Especially when Scholastic used that as a teaser for what was coming in the book.

Laura: Oh yeah, that was kind of…

Andrew: That…

Laura: Mean the way they did that.

Andrew: I don’t think I’ve ever been excited in my, been more excited in my whole life. I was like, “Everything. Everything, Dumbledore?”

Eric: Really? Huh? You know?

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. Wha? I’m saving my “Huh?” for something later.

Eric: Sorry, sorry. I didn’t want to pre-empt your “Huh?”

Andrew: It’s got to build up.

Laura: I really, whenever I saw that advertised, I didn’t think that we would learn everything just because we saw…

Eric: No, but a damn fair amount more than we did.

Laura: Well, I don’t know, I think we learned a lot.

Andrew: We did, but it wasn’t everything.

Laura: The prophecy is a lot of information.

Jerry: I think also, being very dedicated fans we got a completely different concept of what the word “everything” means, as well.

Eric: It’s true. I mean, I guess. I guess, it’s true.

Andrew: Mhm.

Laura: I think, I think…

Eric: But that’s the world J.K.R. fosters, so she should know how to deal with it and explain everything in it.

Jerry: Mhm.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: I think that by everything he meant I’m going to tell you what your destiny is, by the way.

Eric: Well…

Laura: Like, I’m going to tell you that either you have to die or Voldemort has to die.

Andrew: So, why didn’t he say that?

Laura: What?

Jerry: I’ll tell you everything about this.

Andrew: Why didn’t he say that?

Eric: Then instead of saying I’ll tell you everything – I mean, okay, he told them that a prophecy was made. He showed him the memory of the prophecy being made by Trelawney. Okay, so that shows “oooh…”

Andrew: I guess it was everything crucial at that time.

Eric: Do you think, though? I mean…

Andrew: Yeah. The prophecy stuff is what mattered…

Eric: True, I guess.

Andrew: …in Order of the Phoenix.

Eric: But he didn’t tell him it was Snape that found out. But then again, that would have just worked for Harry to hate Snape, which was not a good idea, considering Snape was a good guy.

Laura: And he also promised Snape that he wouldn’t tell.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: See? Now Eric’s learning. Eric’s learning.

Jerry: It’s definitely a case of pertinence, isn’t it? He’s only telling him what’s relevant, really. What he needs to know.

Eric: What he needs to know. Well, it was hardly everything. And maybe that’s just a fault of Dumbledore’s – character flaw.

Andrew: Well, anyway, we said we were going to keep that point short. So, let’s go to the next one.

MuggleCast 116 Transcript (continued)


The Burnt Hand in Book 6


Eric: So, in Book 6. The mystery surrounding Dumbledore’s burned hand. I wrote this down as a bull-crap moment.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Eric: Dumbledore put it off so long, but what was the end result. Reflex issues? Beause, like, they made a point in Book 7, oh, his reflexes weren’t as fast. That’s fine, Remus Lupin, you just tell – you know, talk all night about Dumbledore’s crap reflexes. But, I’ll tell you what, if all it takes to destroy Horcruxes is some Basilisk fangs, surely Dumbledore would not have had a problem destroying the ring. Or was it the curse on the ring that was making Dumbledore’s hand burn? Because I’m not sure, because didn’t the ring also have a curse on it? The ring that was of course the heir of Slytherin’s, and also the Peverell crest, and also the Deathly Hallow.

Laura: But do you think that Dumbledore… [sighs] I don’t know.

Eric: Why was he so ambiguous about it? He wouldn’t even tell Harry about the burn. “Later, Harry!” And it seemed like this big deal and it’s just a matter of…

Andrew: No it didn’t! Only Harry made a big deal out of it.

Eric: Well, therefore, we did.

Andrew: Well, Dumbledore always brushed it off as nothing.

Jerry: Yeah.

Eric: Well, no. He said it has a very interesting answer to be dealt with later. That’s what he said.

Andrew: Did he say…

Jerry: No, he said, “the story was interesting.” He didn’t want to spoil it by revealing it too soon.”

Eric: Oh, the story was interesting.

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, of course it had a good story. I mean, if I showed up to a live podcast with a burnt hand would you expect a boring story?

Eric: No, I would expect you to…

Laura: Maybe.

Jerry: “I burned it.”

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: I’m sure half the audience would be like, “WTF?” So…

[Jerry laughs]

Eric: [laughs] That’s just…

Andrew: What’s that mean?


Did Dumbledore’s Death Leave Harry to Die?


Eric: Oh what’s that mean? Okay, Book 6 then. Okay, this is, I think, the concluding point. Dumbledore died presumably leaving Harry with everything he’d need to continue, but in an end result that would kill Harry. Now, all in all, is it moral to raise the only one to defeat the Dark Lord? To do such, knowing the pain that he went through?

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: Harry did lose Sirius in Book 5, he lost his parents to begin with, he was with the crappy Dursleys. And Dumbledore did love Harry, and it was explained, you know, and it was shown that Dumbledore did care about Harry and did love him, but it was just a point to it where we’ve seen in Book 7 Dumbledore becoming so, at times, so egotistical. And it was his own self revelation what Grindelwald was doing was wrong that made him, you know, change his mind and fight Grindelwald to begin with, and save his family, and become the moral man, and never take the position at the Ministry because he was tempted with power, and he knew that about himself. There’s good things about Dumbledore, but even though he didn’t take the position at the Ministry, was he abusing the privilege as Headmaster or, as the person who can train Harry up, to play mind games with him? Did he play mind games with Harry?

Jerry: In sense of morals, he’s having to face a moral choice that every leader, every hero in every story ever written has had to face: Not to make that choice or to sacrifice one person’s happiness for the sake of thousands of others. He’s making Harry uncomfortable, but in turn, it’s resulting in the savior of hundreds of thousands of people, so…

Eric: You’re right. I guess if you, if you ask me…

Laura: And I mean, technically, I mean, when you consider, I mean, there are lots of studies that go into this kind of thing. Like, is it okay to make one person suffer to benefit tons of other people.

Eric: The question generally…

Laura: If it creates – yeah. If the amount of happiness outweighs the amount of hurt, is it okay? And I think what makes this scenario different is that Harry knew that he was going to have to suffer anyway.

Andrew: Mhm.

Laura: So, I think again, reiterating my point, Dumbledore knew he was going to do it anyway, so why not help him? Or why not give him the necessary tools?

Eric: Did he help or did he hurt him? I mean, he caused Harry, certainly, a little bit more pain…

Laura: I think – okay.

Eric: You know?

Laura: I don’t think so. Think about how much more pain he would’ve gone through if he hadn’t had any guidance at all.

Jerry: Mhm.

Laura: Like, I mean, if he didn’t…

Eric: Well, no, no. I’m not saying about no guidance at all. I’m saying if Dumbledore would’ve guided and told him everything, at least at the age of 15 or 16, everything before he died or everything – I mean, there stands that there is something to be gained by Harry learning it all on his own, but the way Book 7 progressed, I really don’t think Harry learned much on his own. I really don’t think so. That long time in the woods didn’t really make Harry learn anything. There was some weird thing about a snake inside a lady, but that was about it.

Laura: And about those little things called Deathly Hallows, too.

Jerry: It’s just a small point.

Andrew: Oooo…

Eric: Which happened to be what? The opposite of a human being? Thank, Hermione Granger, who happened to Accio a book out of Dumbledore’s office. You know? I mean, I’m sorry.


Final Thoughts


Andrew: I guess we should go around the table now and just final thoughts on…

Eric: Do you think it’s right?

Andrew: Do you think it’s right? Yeah.

Eric: Okay. Well, two questions. Do you think it’s right to sacrifice one person’s happiness or one person’s life for the lives of many, first of all, and then do you agree or do you think there’s something to this argument about Dumbledore being more than a flawed character and actually committing some serious crimes on Harry?

Andrew: Okay, I’ll start. First point. Should – was it wrong for Dumbledore to…

Eric: All right, well, first of all, is it okay to sacrifice one person’s life…

Andrew: Oh, right.

Eric: …or happiness for the life of others.

Andrew: No, it’s not. But I think Dumbledore…

Eric: Really?

Andrew: Yeah, it’s not. But I think Dumbledore was – well, first of all, it depends on the person. I mean, I don’t want to make, like, a Hitler reference, but if you’re going to kill off Hitler, you know.

Jerry: Mhm.

Andrew: You’ll kind of save some other people, you know? That would be good.

Eric: [laughs] Well, okay, let’s rephrase. A good person. A good person then, an innocent person, in fact. Is it right to corrupt the innocence of youth to sort of bring into reality…

Andrew: Okay. No.

Eric: …the burdens of the world?

Andrew: It’s not all right, but I think Dumbledore was confident enough that Harry would not be sacrificed and Harry would make it through. Maybe Dumbledore had some inkling – had some shred of evidence that would prove that Harry would definitely make it through. And so, no, I don’t think that you should sacrifice a good person in order to benefit a larger group of people, and I don’t think it relates to this discussion because I think Dumbledore was sure Harry would make it.

Jerry: Mhm.

Andrew: Would be successful in his battle.

Eric: So the odds were in Harry’s favor? Could that be successfully argued?

Andrew: Yeah, of course. Well, yeah. I don’t even want to call them odds. I would think that Dumbledore saw more than just odds.

Eric: Well, a lot of it came down to chance, didn’t it?

Andrew: Yeah. Yes, but…

Eric: I mean, about Peter Pettigrew redeeming himself or not and…

Andrew: Yes, but I’m hoping… Yeah, I know, but I’m hoping that Harry or that Dumbledore – something just made him confident in believing that Harry
would make it through. I cannot see Harry – I cannot see Dumbledore being okay with losing Harry and Harry being sacrificed in order for a larger group of people to be happy and survive and get past Voldemort and move on, you know?

Eric: Okay, Jerry, what do you think?

Jerry: Well, I’m of the opinion provided that if it’s a single person’s life and also that through Dumbledore’s actions, Harry was conditioned to, when it came to it, be ready to die. I mean at the end he wasn’t suffering.

Andrew: Mhm.

Jerry: He had an amazing sense of calm that he knew this was going to happen and he was okay with that. I mean, in the end, is he suffering? Is his death something that’s causing him anguish? No, he was ready for it and he took the responsibility. He knew his actions were going to benefit these people and he was happy with that, and I think that’s what it comes down to, really. I mean, the fact that he didn’t die is of course a good thing, and perhaps Dumbledore did have the foresight to see that killing a single piece of soul would release Harry.

Andrew: Yeah. Laura?

Laura: No, it is not morally permissible to sacrifice one person’s happiness for the happiness of other people, but that question implies that you are taking that from them without giving them a choice, and Harry was given a choice up until the absolute last minute. Like, he was in a limbo between the world of the living and the dead, and Dumbledore said, “You can die if you want to. You can end this right now. You don’t have to go back and fight him. You can just end it and you can be done.” And…

Eric: No, was that a choice? Because Voldemort would’ve still been alive and then all the people Harry feels responsible to would’ve been let down by Harry.

Laura: Well, it doesn’t matter.

Eric: Is that a real choice?

Laura: Sure, it’s a choice. Harry could’ve decided that, “Hey…”

Eric: “Screw ’em all”? [laughs]

Laura: “…you know, I’ve had enough of this.”

Eric: “Screw ’em all, the afterlife is the place to be.”

Laura: Yeah, he could’ve said it, but he didn’t, and I think that’s the point. Dumbledore always knew that Harry was a good person and he would make the right choice, so I don’t think that Dumbledore forced him into anything.

Eric: It’s so interesting. The question, you know, “is it right to sacrifice the life of one to save many?” is, I think, in my mind, followed by the question “can you guarantee that this person’s life or death will affect those people in that said positive way?” You know, what power do you have to actually guarantee that that sort of thing will happen? I mean, obviously if it’s Hitler, that’ll happen, but I think, in the end, I’m kind of borderline on “yes, it is,” but at the same time, I don’t think
that kind of thing can be known, so it’s not morally permissible. I think there should be ways around it. But, again, because this is a book series, too, I’m trying to, you know, pull myself from the reality and say, “Okay, so it’s not really permissible.” It’s a novel idea, a novel concept, that if you could control every situation, one, you know, could die to save others, and that’s the whole point of martyrs, et cetera, and that’s all good and fine. Now, I do think that Dumbledore was, in a way, leading Harry. I do think there could’ve been a sort of better, or different, character in Dumbledore, but then, perhaps, it wouldn’t be Dumbledore and
we wouldn’t be talking about it with such uniqueness. We’d be making references to other books. Well, maybe we haven’t read any other book series, but I just think it is Dumbledore, and maybe that’s – that’s the whole thing about Harry Potter; it exists as something that we can discuss literally for – how many episodes now? 116? I mean, we’ve been doing this, and shows like this, where we can pick a point, this thing, and talk about it. And maybe it’s just me begging the question, maybe I’m annoying everybody, maybe…

[Jerry laughs]

Eric: …everybody turned off the show thirty minutes ago, but…

Andrew: Everyone’s nodding their heads. Yeah.

Eric: Everyone’s nodding their heads.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Just kidding.

Eric: But… [laughs]. But this, just the fact that this can be discussed is actually, I think, something in itself, and I think…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …your guys’ conclusions was really good.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: I think I liked your guys’ conclusions very much so, and I’m personally a little happy, so – yeah.

Andrew: Well, I think the discussion went well.

Laura: Yeah, very nice.

Andrew: And I’m sure there’s going to be plenty of feedback about this next
week, and so, we didn’t really talk about the second point that you wanted to address, but, I mean, we could save it for next week because this is quite a long show now. Okay, so next week, Eric, you want to talk more about Dumbledore’s family and we’ll also extend on our discussion this week with rebuttals…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: …and…

Eric: And we’ll have extra people working on the main discussion, so it won’t be kind of circular and trying to ask a big question about literary discussion.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: I mean…

Andrew: Well, I think it was still good.

Eric: …we will be talking about Dumbledore.

Andrew: It was interesting.

Eric: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was good.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: So, I mean, next week will just be about the family and the cool parts about what we learned.

Andrew: Okay.


Andrew’s “HUH?!” E-mail of the Week


Andrew: Yeah. It’s time for my, “Huh?!” E-mail of the Week. It
comes from Nicki, 13, of Rochester, New York. Subject: Andrew Andrew Andrew! How they heard of us: MuggleNet main page. IP address: 66.66.115.105.

[Jerry, Laura, and Eric laugh]

Andrew: .Her message:

“So I hear you’re on the market now. I, too, am single at the moment. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. So, want to get together? Anyways, keep up the good work on the show!”

[Jerry laughs]

Andrew: “Love it. Best wishes, Nicki J.”

May I read again, her age is 13.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: And she’s from Rochester, New York. Well, age is no definition of maturity, Andrew. You should know that. You were young when you started this show…

Andrew: Not when I was…

Eric: …and look at where it’s come.

Andrew: Well, fair point, but…

Laura: Okay…

Andrew: I’m 18 now. I want more out of a relationship.

Jerry: His age is a legal age.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I don’t think I’m going to be with a little 13-year old. Yeah.

Eric: Oh, right, you have to be legal.

Laura: Not to mention that – yeah…

Andrew: I mean, that’s not – well, I mean, no. That’s not what I was implying.

Eric: Well, begs the question, Andrew. Are you on the market?

Andrew: It’s time for a Chicken Soup For The MuggleCast Soul.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: This comes from Sidney…

Eric: But you can’t do a Huh?! moment!

Andrew: …11, of Burke, Virginia.

Eric: No, that was not a Huh?! segment!

Andrew: Yes, it was!

Eric: I’m rejecting that.

Andrew: It was just a weird e-mail.

Eric: No.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Oh, fine.

Andrew: I have one about a hermit crab, too. You want that one?

Jerry: Yeah, sounds good.

Andrew: “Dear Andrew, I got a hermit crab last night and I almost named it Andrew…”

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: “…but then I realized hermit Crabbe, C-R-A-B-B-E, so I named him Vincent. Love, Shannon, 14, of New Jersey.”

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Laura: Nice. [laughs]

Andrew: “In case it entered your mind…

Eric: [laughs] Vincent.

Andrew: …yes, I am the same Shannon from New Jersey who said your voice is sooo dreamy during the live event.”

Okay, so, that’s that.

[Eric laughs]


Chicken Soup For The MuggleCast Soul


Andrew: Chicken Soup. Sidney L., from Burbank, Virginia, 11-years old.

Eric: Burke. Burke, Virginia.

Andrew: Burke. What’d I say?

Laura; Burbank. [laughs]

Andrew: Burbank. Burbank, California! Burke.

Laura: “About two years ago, my sister, Rachel, was diagnosed with acute lymphoblastic leukemia. She had to have much treatment, even a bone
marrow transplant about five hours away. We had to visit her every weekend, so if you add that up, that’s ten hours of boredom per week. Then my dad got me a video iPod. When I got my iTunes account, my dad first searched for
Harry Potter and subscribed for the first free thing there.”

[Eric and Laura laugh]

“I’ve been an avid listener ever since. The first episode I ever listened to was Episode 50. Yes, I have 67 MuggleCast episodes on my iPod. Also, this summer, I was stuck in either Durham, North Carolina, or summer sleep-away camp, where I couldn’t bring my iPod. You were the only thing that saved me from my boredom. I even made a poem for you. I got an A plus.”

Andrew: Oooh.

Laura: And here’s her poem:

“At the end of the week
When I’m feeling meek
And I go
on MuggleNet
And start to fret
And then go on iTunes
It’s no time for balloons

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

I double-click on MuggleCast
I really want it to last

Jerry: Awww.

Laura:

And then my
frown turns upside-down.

Pickley love, from Sidney.

Andrew: Oh, I – first of all, I like the sign off.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Pickley love.

Laura: Yeah. [laughs] That’s really cool.

Eric: Oh, and there’s a postscript, there’s a postscript.

PS…

Laura: What’d she say? Oh, oh.

My dog can…”

Yeah.

“…probably eat more pickles than all of you.”

Andrew: Weird. I wonder what the grade was based on. Like, was it rhyming, like rhyming schemes, or – because…

Eric: I think it’s about overall content. It’s the whole thing.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Or was it a – what are those poems called? It’s like, 4-6-4. Or like…

Eric: Haiku?

Andrew: Haiku.

Eric: 3-5-6.

Andrew: Obviously not a haiku, but…

Laura: This isn’t a haiku.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Well, that would be weird, though. MuggleCast haikus, you can do a listener challenge.

[Eric and Laura laugh]


Show Close


Andrew: Well, I think that does do it for this episode of MuggleCast. We do thank everyone for listening. If you have any parcel mail you would like to send – Eric, you’re sighing, what’s going on?

Eric: Oh, no, I was trying to come up with a haiku.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Eric: Because I Googled haiku and it’s 5-7-5 syllables.

Andrew: Oh, right.

Eric: And I’m trying to think of a MuggleCast haiku…

Andrew: Okay, well…

Eric: …based on that lovely poem.

Andrew: …while you think of that, we’ll go through the contact information. Laura, if someone has parcel mail, how could they get it to us?

Laura: You can send that to:

P.O. Box 3151
Cumming, Georgia
30028

Andrew: You can also call in a voice mail question or comment, a listener rebuttal, Muggle Mail, whatever you want to call it. Just keep your message under sixty seconds and eliminate as much background noise as possible. To dial, if you’re in the United States, you dial 1-218-20-MAGIC. That’s 1-218-206-2442. If you’re in the United Kingdom, you can dial 020-8144-0677. And if you’re in Australia, Down Under, you can dial 02-8003-5668. We just renewed that number. It cost us $60 for a year, so if you’re wondering where…

Laura: So use it.

Andrew: Huh?

Laura: So use it, please

Andrew: Yes, so use it. Yeah.

[Andrew, Eric, and Laura laugh]

Andrew: I guess their prices went up. I don’t remember paying that much last time, but – so if anyone’s wondering, “Well, where does this money go? Like, your ring tones and stuff.” That’s where it goes to. Phones numbers, hosting costs, our food, stuff like that.

Laura: Yep.

Andrew: And you can also Skype the username MuggleCast. Just visit Skype.com to download the free software, then you can add MuggleCast as a username. Then you can make a free call to us. Skype is completely free as long as you’re calling another Skype name, such as MuggleCast.

You can also e-mail us using the handy feedback form on MuggleCast.com or use any one of our first names at staff dot mugglenet dot com.

There are also many community outlets to reach us. We have the MySpace, Facebook, YouTube, Frappr, Last.FM, there is the Fanlisting, and I do want to point out that the forums, unfortunately, no longer exist.

Eric: Well, they will be back.

Andrew: Will they?

Eric: They will be back. Yes, apparently there’s something on the site right now that says the official MuggleCasting forums will be coming back up and revamped and I don’t know much about it.

Andrew: Let me read this. Oh yeah, what do you know? What do you know? “An all new, completely revamped site is coming soon. If you are interested in being involved with the new site as a moderator, please send Alice an e-mail with your name, age, forum experience, ideas you have for the site (which could make it better and more active) and, in 25 words or less, why you want to help out.”

[Laura laughs]

Eric: So, anybody interested in working on the new MuggleCast forums…

Andrew: Well, that’s why I’m reading it, so…

Laura: Oh, okay. I thought you were actually – I thought you were… Yeah, nevermind.

Andrew: No, no, no, if anyone’s interested, because we always get e-mails saying, “How can I help the show?” On the forums, the fan forums are a great way. And maybe we’ll start promoting that more to get more people involved on it and discussing the show, and also Harry Potter.

Eric: Yeah, because there’s not much of a venue sort of thing for all the new fans, even, to discuss.

Andrew: Exactly, yeah.

Eric: I mean, the forums where what they had and then they got taken down and now they’re coming back up so we should do that.

Andrew: Yeah. MuggleCastFan.net/Forums, and then Alice had her e-mail address there where you can contact her to apply for a position. I’m sure they’re going to do a great job no matter what they do.

Eric: Guys, I have my Haiku ready.

Andrew: Okay, hold on, just continuing with the community outlets, you can also visit Digg.com and digg the show for us. That’s like a vote. And you can also vote for us once a month at Podcast Alley and rate and review us on Yahoo! Podcasts. So visit MuggleCast.com for all that and much, much, much, much more. Eric, please. Shower us with your Haiku.

Eric: Okay, 5-7-5, guys.

Each week, I always listen
Those kids know what they’re talking about
MuggleCast is lots of fun.

Andrew: What was the first line? “Each week I always?”

Eric: “Each week I always listen.”

Andrew: No, that’s more than five.

Eric: Five words. Oh, crap that’s right. No, I did it in words. I did five words, seven words…

[Everyone laughs]

Jerry: You did words, not syllables.

Andrew: Oh, no it’s syllables. It’s syllables.

Eric: Oh, crap. I’m going to re-write this real quick. Do the show – do the closing again.

[Show Music begins]

Andrew: That’s embarrassing. I can’t believe you thought it was words.

Eric: Okay, no. “Each week I listen. Those kids know what they’re…” One, two, three, four, five, six…

Andrew: Doing.

Eric: “…saying.” Saying.

Andrew: Saying.

Eric: “Those kids know what they’re saying. MuggleCast is fun.” There we go! Okay, so. Revamped.

Each week I listen
Those kids know what they’re saying
MuggleCast is fun.

Andrew: Excellent.

Laura: Yay.

Eric: Yes! That’s awesome.


Transcribers to be Hired


Andrew: All right, thank you, everyone, for listening. Another quick shout out – we do this every once in a while – I just want to say thanks again to all the transcribers and everyone working on the show. Because it really is a big team behind this whole podcast, especially the transcript area. Micah’s working on hiring some new staff there, so if anyone is interested in becoming a transcriber, e-mail micah at staff dot mugglenet dot com. I know he wanted me to announce that this week: micah at staff dot mugglenet dot com saying you want to help out. He’s looking for dedicated people. All you have to do is transcribe a few minutes of the show every week. That’s it.

Eric: Accurately.

Andrew: Accurately, that’s important too.

Eric: And if it’s not accurate, then we’ll drag your name through the mud.

Laura: Yes, and if you e-mail him and say, “I can tell the difference between Laura and Jamie’s voices, especially,” he will not hire you.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, you should know the difference between everyone’s voice and be good at spelling and all that. So, thank you, everyone for listening. I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: I am Eric Scull.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Jerry: And I’m Jerry Cooke.

Andrew: Jerry, thanks for joining us, by the way. Over at FandomForecast.com, right?

Jerry: Yup.

Andrew: This is the most unorganized out-tro I’ve ever done.

Eric: Now, you guys had the Black Sisters on this week, haven’t you? From YouTube?

Jerry: Yeah, we have. We meant to have you on as well but…timezones…Internet.

Eric: Yeah. Hey, next time. Next time.

Jerry: Yeah.

Andrew: All right, everyone, thank you for joining us this week.

Eric: Woot!

Andrew: We will see you next week for Episode 1-1-7. Bye.

Laura: Bye!

Jerry: Bye!

Andrew: Bye!


Bloopers


Eric: Well, wouldn’t that defeat the purpose of getting a mixer? If you can’t mix our individual audio tracks?

Andrew: I don’t – what are you saying?

Eric: Well, I’m saying if we are all in the same room or any proximity in which we could hug or dance or something, wouldn’t our audio streams kind of cross over and make us quite difficult to edit?

Andrew: Well, we would be…

Eric: Oh, that quality would be so good that it would far surpass…

Andrew: Well, yeah, and we won’t be talking over each other once we’re actually here.

Eric: [laughs] And if we would, we’d be…

Andrew: You’d just be stupid.

Eric: Yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Absolutely, yeah, that was what I was… [imitating an echo] “Yeah, um, we just need to – we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, need, need, need, to, to, to, to work out the kinks, kinks, kinks, kinks, kinks, kinks, kinks, in the audio, audio, audio, audio, problem, problem, problem.”

Laura: What are you doing, Eric?

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Well, you wouldn’t hear feedback! You wouldn’t hear echoing here. It would be very easy to set up. There would not be any problems if everyone was just here.

Eric: No, no, it sounds good. Let me just get back to you when I get home to the states in December. So…

Andrew: Yeah. Well, I know you’re crazy to drive out here at least once a month.

Eric: No, it’s true, it’s true.

Andrew: You’ll do it, right?

Eric: Yeah, I will.

Andrew: And Laura would come, and maybe Micah, and we’ll go out to eat afterwards, and watch movies, and cuddle and stuff.

Laura: Aww, that’d be so fun.

Eric: We’ll go to Chick-fil-A.

Andrew: Oh god, Chick-fil-A. Oh, so good.

Eric: I love that stuff.

Laura: I just had that yesterday.

Andrew: Ohhh.


Andrew: I have a good lesson for all the kids out there who are in middle school, high school, even. I had to do a poetry project in eighth grade for my English class. So, I did this whole… We had to write up all these different poems and stuff, and then I lucked out because two years later, we had to do another poetry packet which included basically the same types of poems. So, what did I do? I just used my one from eighth grade.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Okay, that’s not much of a lesson.

Eric: I did that once too.

Andrew: Yeah, I mean, what I’m trying to say is that it’s okay to reuse some of your old schoolwork.

Eric: It actually is. Sometimes. I mean, you’re plagiarizing yourself.

Andrew: Yeah!

Eric: But, but…

Andrew: And is it plagiarism if you’re plagiarizing yourself?

Eric: And the whole thing is, I mean, when you’re older…

Andrew: Right.

Eric: ….you’re expected to have a better writing style so you should probably just improve on what you said, but that’s fine.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s what I did basically.

Eric: It’s like saying you could never write about a movie you’ve written about before.

Laura: I did that all through high school. I recycled essays and all sorts of stuff.

Eric: That’s how you got through. By eighth grade, you were set. You had written everything you ever needed to.


Micah: Because pigs are sometimes made for slaughter, this is MuggleCast, Episode 117 for October 16th – I don’t even know what the [word bleeped out] is going on. What episode are we on?

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Transcript #115

MuggleCast 115 Transcript


Show Intro


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Andrew: Today’s MuggleNet podcast is brought to you by Borders. In May, thousands of Harry Potter fans descended upon New Orleans for the Phoenix Rising Conference. Borders was there to take in the sites and share a lively discussion of the series that has bewitched the world with some of Harry’s most dedicated fans. Listen in and watch the action yourself. Check our The Phoenix Rising, Borders Book Club
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[Different intro music starts]

Micah: Because Laura has a million questions that only Jo can answer, this is MuggleCast Episode 115 for October 1st, 2007.

[Intro music starts]

Laura: So, Micah.

Micah: So, Laura.

Laura: After Jamie and I, we railed on you a little bit last week for not seeing Order of the Phoenix.

Micah: Yeah, you did.

Laura: Yeah, we gave you a pretty hard time, but I have to say that after last weeks show, you did the responsible thing that any MuggleCaster would do and you went and saw the movie. So, just in a nutshell, what did you think of it?

Micah: Overall, I thought that it was done pretty well. I didn’t really like the pace of it too much. I thought it went a little too quickly, and not that these movies don’t have to go quickly because obviously they have to cover a lot, but I thought that it lacked a lot of explanation. There was a lack of dialogue between the scenes and it really didn’t help you explain what was going one scene to the next.

Laura: Okay. I’m just curious, how’d you manage to find it?

Micah: Find what?

Laura: The movie.

Micah: It’s still playing, actually, here in a place about 45 minutes from my house.

Laura: Oh really?

Micah: Yeah, so movie theaters do that, sometimes.

Laura: Awesome!

Micah: They hang on to movies for awhile.

Kevin: You drove 45 minutes to see it.

Micah: I did, yeah. Come on!

Eric: That’s how dedicated he was. Man, Micah’s just…

Micah: Well, I knew what the reaction was going to be if the following week I came back…

Eric: Yeah, of course…

[Laura laughs]

Micah: …and I hadn’t seen it.

Laura: Yeah, I had an intro all prepared just to be like, “So, Micah. How do you feel still not being the only one MuggleCaster who hasn’t seen ‘Order of the Phoenix’?”

[Kevin and Eric laugh]

Micah: Yeah, and probably the only MuggleCast listener who hasn’t seen Order of the Phoenix, either.

Laura: Probably the only Harry Potter fan in the world…

[Micah laughs]

Laura: Micah.

Micah: Yeah.

[Intro music plays louder]


News


Laura: So, why don’t you give us the scoop in the past week’s top Harry Potter news stories.

Micah: All right, thanks Laura. Two new audio interviews with Harry Potter movie producer David Heyman and set designer Stuart Craig have emerged online. In the first interview, with Heyman, the producer discusses, among many things, why David Yates was given the director’s helm for Movies 5 and 6. He says that Alfonso Cuaron was given the option to do Movie 4, after Prisoner of Azkaban, but was too tired and
Mike Newell the option for Movie 5, after directing Goblet of Fire, but he was exhausted as well. David Yates when approached for Half-Blood Prince, after directing Order of the Phoenix was not.

The second interview, with Craig, he discusses the challenges he encountered while working on Order of the Phoenix and briefly mentions the sixth film.

A trailer for the upcoming release of the Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix DVD has appeared online. You can watch it over at MuggleNet.com The DVD will be released on December 11th in the US and November 12th in the UK.

And the fifth Harry Potter film dominated the National Movie Awards, winning three of the six prizes. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix won the award for best family movie. Emma Watson picked up best female performance for her role as “Hermione,” while Daniel Radcliffe who plays the lead won for best male performance, beating Daniel Craig from the Bond movie, Johnny Depp, and co-star Rupert Grint. Rupert has this to say about losing to Dan: “Obviously I didn’t expect to win,
because I think Dan deserves it more than me.” The winners were picked solely on public votes.

Finally, we previously told you that JK Rowling had agreed donate and auction a signed set of her beloved series for Books Abroad, a charity that seeks to “help to educate children worldwide by sending free school books that are carefully chosen to match the need of each school.” Earlier today at midnight the auction on eBay had closed with the winning bid at 18,200, or $37,100 with the starting offer at 100. To prevent the books from being stolen, they were locked in a jail prior to the auction. Books Abroad said they currently “don’t have any specific use (for the money) in mind.”

That’s all the news for this October 1st, 2007 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.


Welcome Back


Laura: Okay, thanks Micah. Now, before we dive into some news discussion I’d like to welcome back Kevin. You were gone for a long time, weren’t you?

Kevin: Yes, I was. Quite a long time…

Laura: You were on two shows all summer. [laughs]

Kevin: Yeah, well…

Laura: And where were you? Just curious.

Kevin: I was actually in France.

Laura: Oh, but you’re not there anymore, right?

Kevin: Not anymore. Oh, no.

Eric: Geez, are you sure? Because I swear – When did you come back? There was no – that’s just because I haven’t heard from you, man.

Kevin: I came back two weeks before the start of the semester.

Eric: Wow!

Kevin: So…

Laura: Just a little bit of background information here. Before we started recording the show, Eric was talking to Kevin as though Kevin was still in France. And it just kind of went on for a few minutes and nobody said anything.

[Kevin and Eric laugh]

Laura: And then finally…

Kevin: I actually let it go on for a few minutes.

Laura: [laughs] And I was like, “Eric, do you think he’s still in France?”

Eric: And then I was like – because we were talking about riding boats with his G-Force 8, right? Don’t they do that, Kevin? Can we talk about this?

[Laura laughs]

Kevin: Oh, sure.

Eric: Yeah. The powering boats, sort of like they did in Stuart Little

Kevin: Although, was that with the fan on the video card? That example work?

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah. So, you were gone for awhile. Eric, you haven’t been on in a few episodes.

Eric: No, same here. I mean…

Laura: It’s been awhile, yeah.

Eric: Couple shows, maybe. Three or four since Book 7? So…

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, it’s good to be back, good to be on.

Laura: That time difference is ridiculous. It’s like 16 hours, isn’t it?

Micah: Yeah, so people can…

Eric: It’s 17 hours.

Micah: Understand a little bit why it was so hard to record in the summer. With people in…

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: …various countries and all different time zones around the world.

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Kevin: Just a bit.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: No, it is quite shocking. But New Zealand is funny too, because even if we did I couldn’t even get used to the time change. Because what happened was they just changed over today, which was Sunday. They changed over and I didn’t know about it. It’s obviously, you know it’s a few weeks ahead of changing over – I guess you guys will change over in about three weeks time? The end of October? Something like that.


Interviews with Dan and David Yates.


Laura: All right, so welcome back you guys. Really glad to have you back on the show. As we all know, recently the filming for Half-Blood Prince commenced. And it seems that both Dan and David Yates have talked about the film, did you guys see any of that?

Kevin: Yeah, the interview with David Yates was good. Because he was talking about the romantic aspect and how he intends to make it a very large part of the movie.

Laura: Oh, fabulous.

Eric: Yeah, he was talking about the movie in general, I think and I expected it to be – you know, so-so. I mean it’s six minutes long, just audio. I mean, there’s a sort of collage picture that you can watch while you’re listening, but it’s not bery exciting, doesn’t really move. But it’s a six minute audio interview that – Let’s see, it’s a six minute audio interview that the guy does with David Yates and, yeah, I recommend checking that out, believe it or not. Because it is exciting and it’s a piece of news and any news is good news in the Harry Potter world today. And yeah, it’s really comprehensive. It’s really good. Like, David Yates seems really into making the sixth film and he answers a lot of good questions.

Laura: Yeah, I’m pretty excited to see him direct the sixth film because I actually really liked Order of the Phoenix. And one of the things I’m excited about was Dan talked about how he’s going to have, like, four days of filming for the cave scene with Michael Gambon. And I’m so excited to…

Micah: Yeah, it takes Gambon a little bit of time to get things right. So you know, that’s probably why they’re doing it for four days.

Laura: Whatever, Micah.

Eric: Yeah. No, it’s true. It’s true.

Laura: I don’t care what you have to say.

[Micah laughs]

Laura: Actually, I do.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: I’m just kidding. Just kidding. Anyway. But it’s pretty exciting, I think. Because if you look at the way that the Department of Mysteries and the Ministry was set up in the fifth film, I’m pretty excited to see how they set up the cave.

Kevin: With the same set. It’s going to have, like, pillars on this time.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Like they did – well, I mean, I guess they did that on purpose.

Kevin: They did that for Chamber of Secrets and they reused the set for Order of the Phoenix.

Eric: Oh, did they?

Laura: Did they really?

Kevin: Yeah.

Laura: Which one?

Eric: Oh, you’re right. Son of a gun.

Kevin: That was the set. You didn’t recognize…

Laura: Really?

Eric: The Ministry.

Kevin: Yes they did.

Laura: Oh, wow.

Kevin: They revamped it. But if you noticed, the atrium is exactly like the hallway in the – or the actual Chamber of Secrets, I should say.

Laura: Interesting.

Eric: They must have just kept that set sitting there in Leavesden studios. I do not know why they didn’t do a studio tour then of the Chamber of Secrets. Because that would have been cool to have for the past three years until they used it.

Kevin: Probably because they were remodeling [laughs] for the…

Eric: Yeah, for three years.

Kevin: Three years.

Eric: They really work hard. You never know, though.

Laura: Cool, well, Warner Brothers recycles.

Eric: Yeah, but there was – yeah, the interviews were really good. There was a point where David was talking about Harry’s unrequited feelings for Bonnie, even though he means Ginny. And he corrects himself immediately afterwards.

Kevin: Yeah. That was pretty ironic.

Eric: I thought that was funny because – well, not ignorant, I thought it was funny just because I have unrequited feelings for Bonnie, as well. And I don’t know – I probably speak for a lot of other people.

Laura: I’m sure you do.

Kevin: Now that we’ve got a restraining order against Eric.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Oh wait, that’s right. Yeah, sorry.

Laura: All right, is there anything else anyone wanted to bring up before we move on?

Eric: Yeah. Sorry again. Just one final point. He does – David talks about, it’s just one quote here, he talks about balancing the intimate with the epic. Like, I thought that was very well worded, balancing the intimate with the…

Laura: Interesting.

Eric: What? Yeah. He says – you know, along the lines of you need to sort of, if as long as the characters can be related to by the audience, that’s what essential. He says you know, you can show them all sorts of spectacle. What really matters is if the characters – he says that in movie 5, the first screening, when they, you know showed it to the audience, he was just surprised how much the characters meant to the audience. And sort of how much – You know, how much dependency it sort of had on the enjoyment of the film and the meaning of the film and that sort of thing. So, he was really…

Kevin: He also mentioned that this film is largely character-driven.

Eric: Yes.

Kevin: So, he’s trying to build the characters as much as possible because, you know, people have grown up with them. So…


Half-Blood Prince Will Be Character-Driven


Eric: Which is interesting. Do you there’ll be – I mean, because in Movie 5, obviously, I mean it might be in this too, now that you’ve seen it. But in Movie 5 there’s sort of the fun scenes with Dumbledore’s Army where it’s – would you call those scenes character-driven? Because they’re obviously the characters we love and know sort of escaping the tyranny of the character of Umbridge. But, I’m just trying to distinguish whether or not the scenes will be sort of cheesy or if they’ll be, like really good character scenes or what sort of – I mean it’d be impossible to tell, but what do you think he means by character-driven that’s going to be so different from Movie 5?

Micah: I think it’s got to be Snape. I mean, there’s no other character that needs to be more developed, I think, in this movie than Snape. It goes back to, even Order of the Phoenix. I mean, he was in the Occlumency scene and really that was about it. And even that scene, I felt was rushed. I mean, obviously they didn’t do it the way that it happens in the book. You know, it’s Harry going up to Dumbledore’s office right after the attack. And then two seconds later Snape is there and Snape takes Harry down to his office to do the whole scene. But, I just feel like Snape has been underdeveloped as a character throughout the entire first five films. And I think he really needs to be developed in Half-Blood Prince because, you know, Deathly Hallows, obviously he’s going to be playing another major role.

Kevin: Yeah, he’s going to playing a key role, so if they don’t get it right it’s going to hinder the ability of the director to direct the last one.

Laura: Oh yeah, it’s definitely really interesting, now that we’ve read the seventh book, seeing all the things that they’ve left out of the movies, and we can just sort of sit back and go, “Hmmm, I’m wondering how you’re going to fit all of this into one film so that it makes sense in the last one?”

Eric: See, I don’t even know if they’ll have that problem as much. I mean, what else have they got to do besides here’s an – I mean, Jo essentially just kept introducing stuff, including the Elder wand.

Laura: Well, what about Lily, though?

Eric: What about Lily?

Laura: She wasn’t in the Snape’s Worst Memory scene at all. If in the seventh film, all of a sudden we see that Snape and Lily were friends, that comes out of nowhere.

Kevin: It does, yeah.

Eric: Okay, well, flash back to the scene in Movie 3, then, when Lupin’s on the surprise secret bridge and talks to Harry about Lily seeing the good in people, that they never did before.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Because JKR was really pleased with Cuaron for that, for doing that scene about Lily that was – now we see it was actually, as Jo put it, preemptive for the seventh book. Lupin talks to Harry about her.

Laura: Actually, it was.

Eric: So they can just flash…

Laura: Do you remember when everybody thought that was kind of Lupin’s way of saying that he loved Lily, or something like that.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: I remember everybody thought that.

Eric: It was quite questionable, actually.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: But I don’t know. Lupin and Tonks and stuff – it’s just good, I think. One of the things I liked about Movie 5, and maybe you guys agree, was just the amount of actors they had in it, just the amount of quality actors.

Laura: Oh, yeah, definitely.

Eric: No matter how many scenes, obviously. I mean, Lupin didn’t even have much screen time at all. I mean, he’s there to kind of hold Harry back at the end, but beyond that, I think he has one line, and if I remember correctly, you don’t even see him speaking it when he says it, he’s at the table or something in the headquarters. It’s very low, minimal screen time. Same thing with Snape.


Micah’s Favorite Line


Micah: Speaking of lines, there’s one line, and it’s really my favorite line in the entire series.

Laura: Oh, boy.

Micah: And I…no, no. Wait.

Eric: Oh, boo hoo, and you didn’t see it in the movie, and it wasn’t in the movie, and boo hoo hoo.

Laura: Oh, okay, I thought you were about to rail on Michael Gambon again.

Micah: No, no, no. It’s in Order of the Phoenix, and I’m happy, I’m very very happy that they kept it in. And it’s actually said by Kingsley in the movie, but in the book I think it’s said by Phineas Nigellus after Dumbledore flees the office.

Eric: Yeah, it is. You’re right.

Micah: And he says, “You may not agree with everything Dumbledore does, Minister. But you’ve got to admit, the man’s got style.”

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, that was…


High Standards for Half-Blood Prince


Micah: And it’s one of my favorite lines in the entire series, and I’m really happy that that was kept in. But going back to what you guys were talking about before, one thing that I wanted to say was that there’s no excuses now to leave out crucial plot elements, because now all the books are out.

Kevin: And they know where it’s going, yeah.

Micah: They have all the information. So for Half-Blood Prince to lack anything would be a disappointment.

Eric: I quite agree. And I mean, Alan Rickman’s a great actor. I mean, come on, nobody denies that. And he’s keeping active. I’m looking at his IMDB page right now. He has four movies in advance. I mean, maybe I’m just not looking at the right websites, but where are the Alan Rickman interviews that are saying, “Okay, you play evil Severus Snape. What’s going on with that? Are you excited? What’s your game plan?” I don’t know much about Alan Rickman as an actor, if he likes to be approached by interviews, but I love to read that kind of stuff all the time, about how the adult actors portray their characters and are looking forward to the next installments and have been reading the books along with the trio. Do you know what I’m saying? I mean, the only actor we do hear about is Michael Gambon, who pretty much says he can’t be beeped [Laura laughs] to learn what it’s all about.

Laura: Oh my gosh.

Eric: So you know, I’d like to hear from Alan Rickman. I mean, he’s 60, he’s sexy, and he’s still acting, and he’s ready to go. I mean, come on, seriously. I’d just like to get an Alan Rickman interview, if that’s not too much to ask.

Micah: A lot of the interviews you get with Alan Rickman, though, are usually related to the other stuff he’s doing.

Eric: Yeah, that’s true.

Micah: And then occasionally, the interviewer will throw in a question about Harry Potter. You don’t get anything exclusively Harry Potter with him, which hopefully will change because of his role in Half-Blood Prince.

Eric: Yeah, I think they might even – I think it would be pretty cool as spin on the whole sort of marketing–I mean, what else are they going to do besides spin what they’ve already done? Then to center around Snape for the Movie 6 poster, do you reckon? I mean, not specifically Snape, of course, because that would give away the identity of the Half-Blood Prince, oooh. But Movie 5 was this whole kids, uprising, government. They show literally all the students that we know, the main characters, on the poster, which looked great, but what are they going to fit into “6”? More people? Or are they going to turn it into something different, and do like an Alan Rickman, Dumbledore, Voldemort’s past thing? Like what do you think?

Laura: I think that’s probably what they’re going to focus on, because if you look at the significance of Dumbledore’s Army, in the book it didn’t have a great amount of significance, except for the end when Neville and Luna came back. But it wasn’t like you really saw the same focus on that group of students as you saw in the fifth book, even. So, I think that there’s definitely going to be more of a focus put on the Harry-Dumbledore-Snape dynamic.

Eric: Oh, crap, that reminds me. Kevin, you don’t remember – because he didn’t really talk about Voldemort, did he, David Heyman, in the new interview?

Kevin: No, he didn’t.

Eric: Oh, that’s a shame, though, because he’s talking about Kloves – sorry, Steve Kloves – turning in a fun script, and sort of balancing romance with intrigue and spectacle, but I wonder where the whole Voldemort back story comes into that. Just thinking preemptively. I’m not saying just because we didn’t hear it in this interview it won’t exist. I don’t want to say that, but I’d like to hear about how they plan on doing that, because that’s quite a – it’s one thing to do a Hitler allegory in a book, in a contemporary book. But then to do it in mainstream cinema as well, you’ve sort of got to know what you’re doing.

Kevin: And don’t you mean David Yates?

Eric: Sorry, what did I say?

Kevin: Heyman.

[Kevin and Laura laugh]

Eric: David Yates, yes, of course. Well, there’s always these Davids, Davids, Davids.

Kevin: Yeah.

Laura: Okay, if that’s it, everybody? Everybody got their input out on the table?

Eric: That was incredible.

Laura: Yes? No? Maybe? Okay, let’s move on to some announcements now.

Eric: Yes.


Announcements


Laura: Our fearless leader is gone once again this week. He and Jamie are essentially the biggest fan girls on earth and they just had to go spend a weekend in London to see the final performance of We Will Rock You. So guys, he’s abandoned you again. I think that listeners should start complaining.

Eric: No!

Micah: Don’t say that, we’ll get a lot of e-mails.

Eric: He’s still editing the show isn’t he Laura?

Laura: Okay, quit trying to make me feel guilty.

[Eric laughs]

Laura: Shut up, Eric.

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Eric: That’s why you haven’t had me on.

Laura: All right. But hopefully he’ll be back – hopefully he will be back next week as well as Jamie and we hope that they had a good time. Also Pickle Pack registration is now closed. The cut off date was September 30th. So thank you to all of those who signed up, we greatly appreciate your support of the show and at this point we don’t know about any sort of re-opening date for Pickle Pack. So, don’t count on it, but don’t think that we’ll never do it again. We’re just not sure at this point.


Scholastic Ticket Distribution Discussion


Laura: Also, one final thing before we let Eric take the floor on a special announcement of his, as everybody knows Jo’s going to be doing a reading in New York City at Carnegie Hall in the next couple of weeks. As far as I know, Micah you’re going to be there right? Well you’re going to be in the city?

Micah: Right.

Laura: Correct?

Micah: That is right..

Laura: Right. I’m going to go. Kevin, you were a maybe?

Kevin: Yeah.

Laura: Last time I heard.

Kevin: Still a maybe.

Laura: Okay, yeah, Kevin might be there, but essentially we all decided way back in July that regardless of who got tickets and regardless of whether anybody got tickets at all we were all going to get together in the city and hang out. I am actually very excited because I did end up with a ticket.

[Eric laughs]

Laura: So I will be going to the reading. Why are you laughing Eric?

Eric: I’m just laughing.

Laura: Okay.

Eric: I’m singing, “I got a golden ticket, I’ve got a golden ticket.”

Laura: I did. [laughs] Actually a listener Laura, who I think her name is an awesome name, what do you guys think?

Kevin: I don’t know.

Micah: Just get to the story, would you?

Eric: I think that ticket was meant for a Laura, Laura, but it might not have been Laura. It might be Laura who is originally intended, so Laura gave Laura a ticket, everybody and so thanks to Laura for giving Laura a ticket.

Laura: Yeah. It was – I can’t express how much – like how thankful I am to her because that was such a generous thing for her to do, so thank you again Laura, I really really appreciate that and I am looking forward to going to the reading.

Micah: That is really cool, but…

Laura: So, yeah?

Micah: One thing that we also did talk about, I don’t remember which show it was but, this whole idea about having the tickets distributed in this type of a way, through these raffles, contests, whatever you want to call them, I don’t particularly like this. You go back to 2006 in the summer with Radio City, it was a little bit different type of atmosphere with her coming in and reading with the other two authors and it all was going towards charity. I don’t understand why something similar to that wasn’t done this time. Why it’s such a select group of people that are going to be able to go? Because even when you’re looking at the three cities that she’s doing, only one of those shows is for people who aren’t in school. And I understand her appeal to those types of people, but she appeals to so many more that are now restricted from going. And us in particular, you know we’re not going to go out and put our names, well except if you’re Laura, we’re not going to go out and submit…

[Laura scoffs]

Micah: …to these contests.

Laura: [laughs] Oh my gosh! No!

Eric: Okay guys, we’re pretty…

Laura: Let me make something clear. Okay, I sent in an entry but I did not win tickets, how dare you Micah!

Eric: Wait Laura, Laura did win tickets.

Laura: We’re not friends anymore.

Eric: And Laura has a ticket. MuggleCast Laura now has a ticket. I don’t know, I…

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: I see a parallel.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: I see a connection.

Micah: No but not poking fun at Laura. Putting this all aside, I wanted to get your guys’ opinions on this because as staff members of a Harry Potter website we’re not going to go and submit to these contests because then it would seem as if it was unfair if we came out on the other end with tickets and we’re essentially taking them away from somebody else.

Eric: Right. Because we would never do that.

Laura: Mmmm. Okay. Yeah. I mean you’re talking about basically the exclusivity of the event. Like, how it’s become – how it seems like it’s becoming somewhat difficult to get into these things?

Eric: Well, nd it’s limited. Such a limited audience. I mean yeah school children are sort of – yeah but Micah’s just saying she appeals to so many more people and if she’s going to do these sort of secluded events, how are we going to see her? Is that what you’re saying Micah? Like how – wnot just how are we, but how are the majority of fans – but I think it’s a matter of there’s no venue big enough, you know? I mean there’s no – and this is certainly just the first sort of wave of readings she’ll be doing. She might do an international tour or J.K. Rowling on the Orient Express, you know something like that maybe sometime in the future.

Micah: I disagree with that though because you go back to Radio City last summer and those shows weren’t sold out. You know there were still seats available the day of. So, to think that she is going to fill up all these places…

[Eric mutters something]

Micah: …which she very well might if she opened it up to more people being able to come and see her other than – and I’m not saying it’s her.

Laura: No, it’s not her.

Micah: It may be Scholastic who’s setting these guidelines saying that this is what needs to happen. So… But I just think, you know, we feel, I feel left out like I have no power to go ahead and to ensure that I would be going by going and purchasing a ticket.

Eric: Oh hey, Micah, you used to do a segment on this show right? And didn’t it used to produce results? From JKR? Do you think you could try your hand in that old magic hat again?

Micah: [laughs] Uhhh, yeah.

Eric: Maybe get something to change and she’ll be mentioning that all of you yanks in America will be going to – and yeah maybe she’ll pay your plane fare too, Kevin, from France because I guess it’s quite expensive.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Geez, you’re not in France…

Kevin: Well I think that the thing is that she can’t please everyone and they have to set a cap on the number of people and I think JK Rowling enjoys more intimate events where there’s fewer people and she can interact with the fans directly…

Eric: That’s the other thing too…

Kevin: …and she doesn’t have enough time to be greeting 10 – 20,000 fans, it’s just impossible.

Laura: Yeah, not to mention everybody at this event is getting a signed book. So…

Eric: Oh, wow.

Kevin: Exactly, so her hand has to be braced and iced.

Eric: [laughs] We were talking about that. Yeah she might not need to ever write again so it wouldn’t matter she’d still need to sign.

Micah: Well I mean, intimate setting, I unerstand what you’re saying Kevin, but the Kodak Theatre in Los Angeles is not a small place. Carnegie Hall is not a small place.

Kevin: Right, but the setting comes from the number of people as well.

Micah: Well I agree, I’m not saying you open it up to more people, I’m just saying allow an event where you’re not restricting, you know, everybody is able to purchase tickets, when you limit it to a contest you, you know, you’re not giving everybody the opportunity to go ahead, and it’s not – I don’t know, I just feel like in a way, you’re restricting people with these types of readings.

Eric: Well, I think I have an idea.

Kevin: Well, she’s making it luck and not financial resources.

Eric: Yeah, yeah. I mean that’s the other thing too. When you get…

Micah: Well, age as well.

Eric: Well, when you fet tickets, Micah, that’s the thing. If something is hot, if it’s like, a hot ticket, like We Will Rock you, for instance, it’s final show. I don’t know how Andrew and Jamie got tickets. But the fact is, when you get tickets for, you know, hot tickets, what happens? Same thing with the iPhone and PlayStation 3, right? People buy them up and sell them for five times more on ebay the next day.

Kevin: That’s true.

Eric: And it’s all the gamers that are – not the gamers but, you know, 30, 40-year old guys…

[Laura laughs]

Eric: …Who ae grabbing thse tickets from these oherwise school children who have to beg their moms and dads to you know, dip into their college fund to pay for JKR. You know? I mean it’s not, obviously, that dramatic, but doing it with the school I’m thinking okay, so if JKR wants to sort of get rid of the whole money, competition, because money is evil, lets face it. It’s one of the big evils, you know? If she wants to get rid of that, she can just do this thing with schools. And it’s true, it’s not necessarily, it’s not open by any means, but it is luck and it is a raffle, and she can choose sort of schools in the area and say okay, this one’s going, you know? Yes, it would – it is – people would – you know, people are getting left out, but I’m thinking, what would be the alternative? People running away with a truck full of Half-Blood Prince and holding someone at gunpoint? I mean, you know, these things have happend in the past.

Laura: [laughs What!

Eric: I think JKR – that happend, that was a real story! Wasn’t it? There was a gun involved in the Half-Blood Prince.

Laura: Yeah, but it was a fake gun.

Kevin: You do also have to realize that the thought was put into the contest.

[Eric laughs]

Kevin: If you notice, she didn’t have any internet sign up, she made you send it in. I mean, just that as, at least from a computer science standpoint, I know exactly what she was doing, and what she was doing, or Scholastic was doing, was making it so you couldn’t submit you name multiple times under different addresses, and it makes it so that there’s like a bottleneck where you actually have to sit down and write out the, you know, the submission. Because if you put it i online, people will create scripts that will submit their name 10,000 times in a different way.

Eric: Could you write a script for that, theoretically for that Kevin?

Kevin: You could. Absolutley. And the same thing happens with tickets online. If – I can guarnetee you that I will get the first ticket, or nearly the first ticket, for any event if I spend enough time coding the script to do it.

Eric: And that’s it before Kevin gets taken away.

Micah: And before we all get arrested.

Eric: So now we are going on to…

[Everyone laughs]

Kevin: No, it’s not – it’s by no means illegal.

Eric: It’s not a threat.

Kevin: It’s not illegal.

Eric: Oh, it’s not illegal?

Kevin: It’s totally legal. No, not at all. I’m allowed to use it.

Eric: To write a script?

Kevin: To sign myself up for tickets online, absolutely not. It’s totally legal. But what it enables, what computers enable people to do is manipulate the system where all of a sudden this fair competition isn’t so fair anymore.

Eric: So we’re thinking the fact that so many children are getting to see it, who are otherwise just school kids, might be the whole point in and of itself. It’s not that we’re all getting out, but we’re in the non-safe world where people cheat, and so maybe I mean, just for this event. And she did open one up to the public, is the Canada one going to be public as well?

Micah: No, I think it’s school-based as well.

Laura: I don’t know.

Micah: Because they were – I forget the exact wording of it, but I believe that it’s all being done through the school system. And look, I’m not saying – don’t get me wrong, there’s nothing wrong with that, I think it’s a great idea how she’s doing that with all the different schools. My point is, can you have one event where it’s not a contest-related event. You’re able to go if you can, you know, pay your way to go.

Eric: Well, you can have one event, that’s the New York event, isn’t it?

Micah: No, that’s – wasn’t that all contest-based?

Laura: No, you had to win tickets.

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, it was all contest based.

Eric: Oh, so.

Micah: And me, myself, and I know a lot of MuggleNet staff, aren’t going to go and enter those contests for the exact same reason that I mentioned before.

Eric: We don’t want to disadvantage the fans.

Micah: And you don’t want it to be seen as some sort of favoritism, so you know, then it falls on – it’s just like working for any company. You know, if you work for Major League Baseball, you’re not going to enter into a contest to win tickets to the World Series. You’re not allowed to do that. You know, it’s against your contract or whatever. You legally can’t do that. So, I mean it’s the same thing in our place, you know. We’re not going to go an enter a contest because we work for a Harry Potter fansite.

Eric: Yeah. Except for some of that is…

Laura: Unless you’re me. In which case, you do. [laughs]

Eric: No unless you get a girl with your exact name. What’s this other Laura’s last name, huh? Are you sure?

Laura: I’m not going to tell everyone her last name.

Eric: No, I didn’t actually want you to, I didn’t actually want you to.

Laura: [laughs] Okay. I was going to be like, no.

Eric: I was actually talking without thinking, which is very dangerous when I do it.


MuggleCast Down Under


Laura: You had a special announcement, right Eric?

Eric: Yes, I did. Now as few of you may have heard this on, at the end, the tail end of last week’s amazing episode. I haven’t heard it all yet, but I know that Jamie was really funny and I really want to listen to Episode 114 but, MuggleCast is going down under. That’s right, yes. MuggleCast is coming to Australia and we are doing two events, one in Melbourne and one in Sydney. Actually that’s strike that, cross that, reverse it. Sydney first, Sydney event, Sidney, Australia, and then the Melbourne event. It is official, we are doing these events. We’ve already got a Facebook group called MuggleCast-Down Under!. And that’s actually just the signs, not spelled out. And we have a logo which you guys might see if you’re all on Facebook. You can join the group if you’re not coming, I think, it’s just, we’ll have an event coming out as well once we know more details. Now, it is official, though. I am stressing that because before I was talking about it being preliminary, you know, sort of not completely official, but it is official. It is official. We are definitely doing a MuggleCast meet-up, however, because it is going to be the same weekend that you guys – the rest of the MuggleCasters – are in New York City. So, it’s going to be the weekend of the 19th, the 20th, and the 21st. It could be that Friday and Saturday or Friday and Sunday. We’re still working on details, but I do want to stress, it is actually official. And so we’re taking sign-ups, we’re taking – sorry – we’re just taking RSVPs, just to hear back from how many people could make it because we’re trying to finalize details with the venue and things like that. It’s all a bit complicated, I’ll mention it on MuggleCast.com, but the only announcement I guess left on the shirt?

Kevin: The shirt?

Eric: Sorry, thinking ahead of myself. The only announcement left to make just on here quickly is t-shirts, which is – I’m just happy to announce it because we haven’t talked about t-shirts on the show, and I just love talking about t-shirts on MuggleCast. Okay, what’s happening is the logo that you see on Facebook group will be used to create some really amazing t-shirts, which are actually essential to these shows. They’ll be available specifically by pre-order; that’ll be the only way to guarantee that you get one, and they’ll actually be pre-ordered through a website that will be available, but they have the really cool kangaroo holding an iPod with the MuggleCast Down Under sort of logo thing. So, we’ll be giving more details, everything, just check MuggleCast.com, and Sydney helpers are wanted. We’re still trying to – Melbourne we’ve got the most response in, I’ll tell you that. That’s surprising people, that’s surprising. But, just generally, we need – if anybody’s interested in helping us out with Sydney, possibly, like event staff type people, please just let me know. Details MuggleCast.com, thank you very much.

Laura: Cool. That sounds really exciting, Eric. I’m really looking forward to hearing how that goes.

Eric: It’s really taking off.

MuggleCast 115 Transcript (continued)


Podcast Alley


Laura: Yeah, it sounds like it. It sounds like you have a lot of people who are hyped up for it. So, good luck with that. One final announcement, it is a new month, so please be sure to vote for us on Podcast Alley. We’ve got to beat Keith and the Girl and all those other people.

Eric: Are we going to beat them up?

Laura: We haven’t actually, you know, we haven’t actually jabbed at them for a while on the show, so I thought it was appropriate. So let’s move on to some of our newly named “Muggle Mail.” As you know, these used to be called rebuttals, but apparently, Andrew decided they needed to be renamed.

Eric: Oh god. Why doesn’t he just call them, like, Pickle Poppers or – I don’t know.


Muggle Mail: Clearing Up a Name


Laura: Yeah, I don’t know. The first one comes from Jessie, 21, of Virginia. She says:

Jaime read a feedback e-mail regarding the live episodes, and said that the e-mailer hadn’t left their name, but thought they were from New Jersey because they went all fan-gasmic about Andrew. Nope! ‘Twas me, Jessie, from Virginia! Virginians love Andrew, too. I promise. It must be known that the now-dubbed Mrs. Sims hails from Virginia, only because Virginians aren’t recognized often enough on MuggleCast (our fault, I believe). That’s why I figured I should e-mail this response-to-my-response, not at all because I would rather not be associated with New Jersey. No, not at all. Love from, Jessie.

Eric: What? So there’s a rivalry between Virginia and New Jersey now, and not only did she clarify that it was Jessie from Virginia, but now she has said that we dubbed her “Mrs. Sims.” That’s a very tricky way to dub yourself Mrs. Sims.

Micah: I dubbed her – I dubbed him – well, is it a her or a him?

Eric: Jessie?

Micah: Do we know?

Eric: With an “i.”

Laura: I’m assuming that’s…

Eric: J-E-S-S-I-E. Is that really going to be a guy?

Micah: I don’t know, I don’t want to offend anybody.

Laura: Okay, let’s just put this out there: we are assuming because you said “Mrs.” So…

Micah: No, I called them “Mrs. Sims.”

Eric: So, it could…

Laura: Okay, well, I think they would’ve corrected you if you were wrong.

Eric: Yeah, I think so, too.

Micah: All right, anyway, do you want me to read the next one here?

Eric: Unless they like being called” Mrs. Sims.”

[Laura laughs]

Laura: Hey, some people… Some people are really…

Micah: All right.

Eric: Shout out to Virginians, shout out to Virginians everybody. We do know – hey all, holla. Holla, Virginia fans. Love you all, goodnight.

Micah: Okay…

Kevin: Oh boy.

Laura: All right, Micah, you want to read the next one?


Muggle Mai: Bill Nighy as Rufus Scrimgeour


Micah: All right, sure. The next one comes from Richard, 16, in Denver, Colorado about actors in movies six and seven, he says:

Hi, I’m a big fan of the show, I started listening to it this summer while I was on vacation, and I was counting the seconds for each podcast to come out during the weeks of the ‘Deathly Hallows’ hype. Anyway, I’ve heard a lot of stuff on the show about suggestions for actors for the future films, and I always thought that Bill Nighy…

Micah: Is that how you say that?

Laura: Yeah, that’s right.

Micah: …who plays Davy Jones from ‘Pirates of the Caribbean’ playing Rufus Scrimgeour. I read somewhere about him considering a role in ‘Harry Potter,’ joking that he was the only British actor to not be in a ‘Harry Potter’ film. Well, I hope you find this interesting. Good luck with future shows, and nice job with the 12-hour podcast.

So, what do you guys think?

Laura: I would actually really like that. Whenever she said that, I don’t know if you guys have seen the second – or not the second one, the third Pirates of the Caribbean. There’s one point where you actually see Davy Jones as he appeared before he grew tentacles, and I was thinking about that somewhat in context of what Aberforth might look like, and I really like Bill Nighy looked with, like, the white beard – or, the grey beard and everything. So, I think he’d be good, like, looks wise, at least. He’s a great actor, so…

Micah: He’s a straggly-looking guy.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Who likes goats.

Eric: I mean, when they did that Pirates, I didn’t know what they were doing it. I mean, it was cool to look at, but, at any rate, it’s him and, what is it, Bob Hoskins, we mentioned at the live podcast in London and there was a fan who said that she heard that JKR, through an interview somewhere, said that she had a role reserved for Bob Hoskins in the seventh film, which we can now speculate might be Luna’s Dad, Xenopheleous Lovegood. That’s just my own personal opinion, I’m not starting a rumor – but, so it’s Bill Nighy and Bob Hoskins are the two actors I think I’d like to see in Harry Potter 7.

Laura: Awesome. That sounds really cool. I really like that.

Micah: And where would we know him from?

Eric: Bob Hoskins? He played Smee in Hook with Robin Williams and Dustin Hoffman and Julia Roberts.

Micah: Okay.

Eric: Yep. That’s my favorite movie with him in it that I’ve seen, but I think that’s probably the only one that I’ve seen. So…

Laura: Okay. Eric, do you want to read the next one?

Eric: Yep, sure, let me just see in Firefox, by the way, shout out to Firefox.

Laura: It’s Alex.


Muggle Mail: Could Harry Have Survived Another Killing Curse? Priori Incantatem vs. Resurrection Stone Beings


Eric: Okay, so this is from Alex, age 14, Charlotte, North Carolina, and this is a couple of questions for discussion. Message is:

Awesome show guys, just some questions I’ve had after finishing ‘DH’ for the 50th time.

Somehow, I’m doubting this guy’s credibility.

During the final battle scene, could Harry have survived another ‘Avada Kedavra’ from Voldemort, since Lord Voldemort had, as Dumbledore put it, ‘tethered [Harry] to life while he lives’? If so, would a Killing Curse from someone else be unable to kill him, or would it have to be from Lord Voldemort? What was the difference between the ‘beings’ that appeared from Harry using the Resurrection Stone, and the ‘beings’ that appeared during the ‘Priori Incantatem’ sequence in ‘Goblet of Fire’? Thanks, and keep up the good work!

Should we take the second question first?

Laura: Sure, yeah. I have more thoughts on that one, but you go for it Eric.

Eric: I am just guessing that the Priori Incantatem – that is a good question though. Just imagine, actually I have a long reply so why don’t you guys go first?

Laura: Okay.

Micah: Okay.

Laura: I was going to say that I am not sure that there is a different in the actual beings. I think of the difference as more of the way of invoking them. We know that the reason Harry saw all of those – and they were not even ghosts, Dumbledore referred them as “shadows” was because of Priori Incantatem, Harry forced all of the previous spells on in backwards order to erupt from Voldemort’s wand. So, of course, we saw the last people he had killed. The Resurrection Stone, obviously shows you people that you love or people that are related to you who are dead. But, I don’t think that they are actually spirits, if that is part of your prediction.

Micah: Yeah, I was just going to agree completely…

Kevin: I think so too, yeah.

Micah: …what you said Laura. Yeah.

Eric: Do you think that they are not spirits?

Laura: I do not think…

Eric: From the Resurrection Stone. I mean from, do you really think that they are not though? Like from, because they seem to…

Laura: Because…

Eric: …have current knowledge of Lupin and Tonks – or Lupin said, “I wish I would like to see my son grow up but oh well J.K.R. killed me off lets move on.”

Laura: Yeah, but I almost wondered if a lot of that came from Harry’s subconscious whenever he was at the “King’s Cross” area with Dumbledore and Dumbledore said to Harry “This is all in your mind.”

Eric: Yeah, but the Resurrection Stone is not something imaginary its not like it is something that will bring something back imaginarily to you. It was something that…

Laura: I guess, I do not know. But, I think it has something to do with the idea that Dumbledore said that the ones who love us never truly leave us, or was that Sirius, I do not remember who said that. [laughs]

Eric: You’re right though. You’re right though.

Laura: But, I do not think that necessarily Lilly and James trailed along behind Harry invisibly all of his years of life.

Eric: Well, no. I mean, whether or not the sprits were – I guess it is kind of irrelevant to think that but because – not what you think but that spirits wouldn’t be – because it does not matter really if they are spirits or if they have been in Harry all along in a way, just because they are there to offer him guidance in ways that he would not, you know, otherwise predict. It does not matter that they exist because there is an afterlife or it does not matter simply because his psyche is willing them into being I guess because if they are in the Resurrection Stone then the fact is they sort of offer their character or whatever. I was just thinking though, I did think that there are spirits, like out of Priori Incantatem it seemed like not that Lily and James were trapped in Voldemort’s wand or anything forever but, you know this sort of wand thing will hold him off, sort of his intelligence seemed to be sort of a spiritual entity to me. I just remember reading an R.L. Stine’s “Goosebumps” book The Haunted School which reminded me of something to do with students trapped in school for a real long time for a really good reasons, probably my favorite “Goosebumps” book. It just seemed to me that they were sprits. That they possess some sort of sentient knowledge that was always beyond Harry, but does not necessarily mean that they were not spirits.

Laura: But, can’t that be some what related to the portraits. I mean we know that the portraits are really – I mean they are not living people. But, they possess the knowledge of…

Kevin: I was thinking that – see, it seems to me that the portraits are, well, different because the portraits were at one time painted or created with magic to hold the personality of the person who would eventually go into them. But with the Resurrection Stone I am somewhat inclined that they were somewhat like spirits, but called by the Resurrection Stone itself.

Laura: That would make sense.

Kevin: Where it is not necessarily – with the wand I think it may have been different because it was re-living – it was sort of recounting the experiences of the wand and just like the portraits it picks up the personality and certain, maybe vivid memories of the person that had been killed with the wand, but it wasn’t like Dumbledore said, “shadows,” you know, the shadows of the person cast at the time of their death.

Eric: And wasn’t the original story of The Beatle and the Bard about the Resurrection Stone? Wasn’t that – didn’t it say something about the love ones wanting to bring loves ones back? The brother who was trying to bring his – because I am trying to think that when Harry turned the Resurrection Stone specific people appeared to him, which is the same with Priori Incantatem, you know, the previous spells or whatever, but Lupin appeared to him and Sirius and all the people who could make his final decision whether or not he wanted to sort of go in guns ablazin’ or try and give faith into the Hallows. Like, it just seemed like specific set of loved one were there and those were the ones that he originally seen all along and after this journey. It seemed to possess more of a knowledge and more of a presence than something that was specifically there because it had to be or for Priori Incantatem or a portrait or something.

Laura: Yeah. I like it. Very good.

Eric: The first part was just about Avada Kedavra‘s death-cursing Harry. Could Harry have jumped off a cliff and survive just for the mere fact that once Voldemort was in human form his blood was tying Harry to the world.

Kevin: I don’t think so.

Eric: I don’t think so either.

Kevin: Because you have to realize the prophecy and all that was surrounding it was giving certain circumstances: would Harry ever jump off a cliff? No. And because of that he would, you know, he would die if he jumped off the cliff but he would never jump off a cliff? You know what I mean?

Laura: Yeah. It is self-fulfilling.

Kevin: Yeah, exactly.

Eric: As Harry Potter that would suck. It would be like The Sopranos ending, it would just cut to black, you know?


Muggle Mail: Motorcylce Connection


Laura: Oh gosh. All right. The next one comes from Kim, 19 from Texas. She writes:

Hey Y’all. I just wanted to add something to your last discussion about parallels between the 1st and 7th books. I loved how in the 1st book, Hagrid and Harry rode the flying motorcycle to the Dursley’s (for Harry’s first time) and then in the 7th, Hagrid and Harry left the Dursley’s (for Harry’s last time) on the motorcycle as well. It was a nice touch of Jo, I think. Love the show!

Yeah. I didn’t think about that at all, and then I saw about it in the Writely, and I thought it was really brilliant.

Micah: Kim’s on top of things.

Laura: Yeah. I liked that a lot.

Eric: I want to cry now.


Muggle Mail: Voldemort in Books 1 and 7


Laura: Awww. Okay. The next ones comes from Bill “Gabrielle,” 53, from Brisbane, I think that is how you say it.

Eric: Yeah. It’s Brisbane, and I think it is Bill “Gabriel.” Give the man some masculinity here.

Laura: “Gabriel?” Okay, Gabrielle, my bad. I’m sorry. I’m a girl. I read things differently.

Eric: Yeah, I know.

Laura: He’s from Brisbane, Australia, and he writes:

There are seven books. The most obvious symmetry is that Voldemort attains physical form in ‘Goblet of Fire.’ Up until then he was a shadow and afterward a corporeal being.

Did I say that right?

Eric: Yeah, corporeal being. Yeah, something like that. Nobody knows how to pronounce that word for real. Don’t send in e-mails.


Voicemail: Peter Pettigrew


Laura: Yeah. All right. Thank you everybody for sending in those rebuttals, or Muggle Mail as we now call it. This week we will be moving into an all voicemail show which we haven’t done in a while, so we are pretty excited about that. Kevin, are you ready to roll the first one?

[Audio]: Hi, this is Louise, and I’m from Tennesee, and I was calling because I have a question about Peter Pettigrew. I’ve just, I’ve always had a hard time understanding why he was sorted into Gryffindor. I thought he would redeem himself in the seventh book, but he never really did anything in my opinion that made it make sense that he was in Gryffindor, so I was wondering if you guys could talk about that. Thanks! Love the show!

Eric: Micah, what do you think?

Micah: Oh, thanks for throwing it right to me.

[Laura laughs]

Micah: Uhhh, I think…

Eric: I thought I’d catch you off guard.

Micah: No. You didn’t catch me off guard. I actually have a response, so…

Eric: Oh. Well darn!

Micah: You tried your best. You tried your best.

Eric: Laura, what do you think?

Micah: No, no, no! Um, I think…

Eric: All right. I pass.

Micah: I think that there are different forms of bravery, and I think that with Pettigrew, he was brave in a different way. I takes a tremendous amount of courage, I think, to betray your friends, and to go and do what he did.

[Kevin sighs]

Laura: Oooo!

Eric: Wait a minute.

Laura: That’s dark, Micah!

Eric: Wait a minute. It takes fear. It takes fear, Micah.

Micah: No, no. It takes courage, because you may not be seeing – I think part of with Pettigrew was sorted into Gryffindor is also Jo’s way of saying not every bad wizard is in Slytherin.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: And I think she meant to demonstrate that point, but I think if you look at Pettigrew in that aspect, you see what he does. He is a Gryffindor, I think that there is an element courage in what he does, and it may not be courage in the good sense, because people like to think about courage in the good sense all the time, but it doesn’t necessarily exist that way.

Eric: Or something to be – yeah. Yep.

Kevin: Well, I thought of it in a different way. The way I thought of it was, at the end of Book 7, Harry leaned down to Albus was it? Hello?

Laura: Yeah.

Kevin: Albus…

Eric: Albus Severus. Give the kid his middle name back. Hyarr gve it to him. Never take it away.

Kevin: And said that you don’t necessarily have to be sorted into a particular house, you can ask.

Eric: Well, it’s that the choices aren’t – It’s not FINAL based on…

Kevin: Exactly.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah.

Kevin: If Peter had found friends who were in Gryffindor, what do you think he would have said to the Sorting Hat given that his friends all got sorted into Gryffindor?

Eric: Or not even that. Let’s keep with his personality. Maybe he thought all the mean kids in Slytherin would beat him up. [laughs] So he’s like, please don’t put me in there. I know that I’m a rat pip-squeak, but those kids are going to beat me up. Please put me in Gryffindor, which happened to be their rival. Maybe he didn’t know, and so the Sorting Hat did.

Kevin: Exactly, so I think it’s not necessarily him being brave either. It’s just possibly that he had asked.

Eric: I think that I would probably plea not enough info.

Kevin: Well, of course, yeah.

Eric: The whole thing is just speculation.

Micah: No, I don’t think he would have asked. I don’t think that his will is as strong as Harry’s. I don’t think that. I think that Harry was a specific case asking to be in Gryffindor. He sort of willed it to happen. It was his choice. I don’t think Pettigrew would have had that sort of power.

Eric: Oh, you’re probably true. Though, again, do we know or do we not know what house Dumbledore was in? I’m sorry if I asked that stupid question.

Laura: I believe he was a Gryffindor, right?

Eric: Yeah, because Dumbledore’s quite questionable, isn’t he now? In light of Book 7, it’s questionable whether it was moral to go – and I’m not going to go into a rant except to say that some of it is actually – and Harry questioned Godric Gryffindor’s, I don’t want to say, integrity. Godric Gryffindor himself- it was rumored by Griphook that he stole the sword from the Goblins and all that sort of thing, so there could be a nepharious quality or character trait in Gryffindors and I think it shows that writing a book with four houses, you have to make cuts and say, look this house is this. This house is this, without actually meaning it, and luckily Jo has provided us with some different characters that are ambiguous to their house.

Kevin: Well, either way I think Micah was right. His character was used to say that, you know, Slytherin isn’t the only house that produces bad wizards.

Laura: Yeah. I agree with that.

Eric: Yeah, and Snape, obviously Snape was, you know?


Voicemail: Moaning Myrtle and Horcruxes


Laura: Mhm. All right. Next voicemail:

[Audio]: Hi. This is Katy Barrett. I’m from Idaho. I was just listening to Episode 97. It’s kind of a long time ago, I know, but I was noticing how you guys were talking about the Horcruxes and how you thought Tom Riddle could have made a Horcrux from Moaning Myrtle’s death, because he used the basilisk, and whether it was the malicious intent or whether it was the actual killing. I don’t think that Tom Riddle sent the basilisk to kill Moaning Myrtle. It was by sheer happenstance that she was in the bathroom at the same time that the basilisk was sent out to probably harm or stun or petrify someone else. I was just wondering about your comments on that, because I don’t think he really sent that to her, but I do think that it is the actual killing that has to do with the Horcrux. Anyways, I love the show. I just started listening. It’s a favorite of mine now, okay. Thanks! Bye!

Eric: That’s awesome.

Laura: Yeah. I think that was a very good point.

Eric: That’s the best. A new listener. So, I think it would follow then that he didn’t make a Horcrux with the killing, because it would have just been an accident that he killed Moaning Myrtle in the first place, and I think that is probably right given Myrtle’s account in Book 2.

Kevin: See, but see the thing is is that I don’t think – I think he could have made a Horcrux with it, because he sent the basilisk out, which was with malicious intent. Whether it killed her by accident or not, it doesn’t matter. It still killed her with his order to go out into the school.

Eric: That’s like saying – no that’s not like saying. I’m not sure I agree with that.

Kevin: It’s sort of like saying, I’m going to set up a gun, so that if anyone pulls this door handle, the gun is going to go off and fire at them…

Eric: Right.

Kevin: And then when your good friend opens the door handle, and pulls it and gets killed from the gun…

Eric: Dude…

Kevin: It’s still…

Eric: Have you been watching Saw?

[Laura laughs]

Kevin: No, but what I’m saying is…

Eric: Ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, Saw IV, October 26th. Don’t go see it, okay?

Kevin: No, but what I’m saying is that perhaps your intention was a thief kept breaking into your house and, you know, doing something, but the intent – you set up the gun, knowing that it could hurt someone.

Eric: Well, look, these days…

Kevin: Just like he sent out the basilisk knowing it could easily kill someone.

Laura: I can tell you’re in a philosophy class right now.

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Eric: Kevin, remember, these days if a thief breaks into your thing and gets hurt, he can actually sue you.

Kevin: Yeah, this has actually happened.

Eric: [laughs] So…

Kevin: This has actually happened.

Eric: Oh god, so you know the story?

Kevin: Where someone actually set up a gun, because a thief kept breaking into his summer house, and it ended up…

Eric: And his friend?

Kevin: No, it ended up seriously hurting the thief, and he sued and got arrested, the guy who set up the gun. But…

Laura: Wow!

Kevin: Yeah.

Eric: Now that’s a little bit messed up.

Micah: Back to the basilisk.

Eric: I was just going to say how hard it must be to go after the family, that’s just questionable.

Kevin: But, what I was trying to say was, the intent of doing- sending out the basilisk, was knowing all the consequences surrounding it.

Micah: Oh yeah, no, I agree with that.

Eric: That’s true.

Kevin: Okay.

Micah: But I don’t necessarily think that he initially was going to release the basilisk to create a Horcrux. I think he was doing it to just kill all the people who weren’t pureblood, and so, you know, I agree with what the person who sent in the voicemail said. I think that it was just an unintentional death. I don’t think that he created a Horcrux out of Moaning Myrtle. I think she just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Kevin: Well, hasn’t…

Eric: Well, I think…

Kevin: Hasn’t J.K. Rowling said which Horcruxes were created from which people?

Eric: I wish. No.

Kevin: I could…

Eric: I mean, I would assume – I mean, I just don’t remember, but I assume that Tom Riddle, at the point, was interested in finding out all the secrets as much as he could, as to quote, about Salazar Slytherin. Somehow he found the Chamber- -god, I’d like to know actually.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Laura, that’s…

Eric: But…

Micah: That’s your…

Laura: What?

Eric: Or not as much about Horcruxes.

Micah: Laura, that’s you question. Don’t you get to ask a question? Or is it selected people get to ask questions?

Laura: Yes, everybody does get to submit a question, and then they select a certain amount of them, just like they did…

Micah: That’s a good question. Ask J.K. Rowling who died…

Laura: [laughs] Okay.

Micah: …ro create all these Horcruxes.

Laura: Which Horcruxes, okay.

Kevin: I’m fairly sure she said Moaning Myrtle was a person in an interview.

Eric: But that’s messed up. Even if it did, I’m sorry, I would say that would be messed up. Not…

Laura: [laughs] Well, if she said that, it’s not.

Eric: Not out of spite, but I think that that’s just condensing everything. That’s like saying, “Okay, I wrote it in the book because that’s when it was.” That’s like saying, “Nothing that didn’t happen in the book didn’t happen.” Which is unrealistic in a way. It’s sort of unrealistic to say she chronicled all of the important events in Voldemort’s life already in the past. I don’t k now that that would make her an expert author, as much as it would, sort of – it seems like things were- were sort of being pushed in and saying, “This was this, and also that, and by the way.” You know? All that sort of stuff gets a little bit confusing, cramped, I think. To say that Moaning Myrtle not only was the girl who died 50 years ago to serve Book 2’s plot, but the entrance to the Chamber of Secrets, that she died by this and was…

Micah: Well, Wikipedia, here…

Eric: I’m not saying- it’s a possibility.

Micah: No, Wikipedia here is saying that she was used to create the diary Horcrux. Now, whether that- there’s no evidence saying that J.K. Rowling said that. There’s no link to an article.

Kevin: I have – I’m looking at that, too. One sec.

Laura: Yeah, let’s look at that really quick and then correct ourselves if we were wrong.

Micah: But that’s what Wikipedia says.

Eric: Don’t- no, don’t believe Wikipedia. I mean, that’s the first time I’ve ever said that in my life, because I’m writing an essay, right now, and they tell you Wikipedia is not a credible source, so…

Kevin: Yes, I was – I was right, during her little web chat with Bloomsbury, Lady Bella asked, “Whose murders did Voldemort use to create each of the Horcruxes?” J.K. Rowling’s response, “The Diary, Moaning Myrtle. The Cup, Hepzibah Smith, the previous owner. The locket, a Muggle tramp. Nagini, Bertha Jerkins. The [stumbles over word] Diadem…

Laura: Diadem.

Kevin: …an Albanian peasant. The ring, Tom Riddle, Senior.”

Laura: Okay.

Micah: Oh, wait a second…

Eric: And Harry.

Micah: So much for killing meaningful people. The tramp and the peasant.

[Laura laughs]

Micah: I mean come on.

Eric: Well, it wasn’t about killing meaningful people. It was about meaningful, significant deaths. Oh yeah, that’s the same thing. [ laughs] Oh gosh.

Micah: Well, I guess the item has to be significant, not the person that he killed.

Eric: I don’t know, man. You got Jo, man.

Micah: A tramp and a peasant.

Eric: You got her.

Micah: She was grasping for straws. She wasn’t ready for that question.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Yeah, actually I agree. Maybe we can ask her that – Laura, ask her that same question. See if you get a different answer.

Laura: No, I’m not going to ask her the same question. I’m pretty sure she knows what she was doing. So let’s move on to the next voicemail?

Micah: Sure.


Voicemail: The Potion Basin


[Audio]: Hey, Mugglenet, this is Julian from Andover. I’m calling to say I love the show and I have a question about Deathly Hallows, about how the potion basin refills itself. Because in Chapter 10, Kreacher says that when he goes to the lake with Voldemort, Voldemort makes him drink the potion and then he has to refill the basin, but who refills it when he goes with Regulas? Regulas, obviously, isn’t in a state to do that. Anyways, just wondering what your thoughts were on that. I love listening to the show. Thanks for your time. Bye!

Eric: It’s like a screensaver.

Laura: Oooh, good question.

Eric: You know, after five minutes of inactivity, it goes back.

Laura: [laughs] That is very interesting. Because I was actually just reading that and it did specifically say that Voldemort had to refill it the first time.

Eric: Oh crap.

Micah: Hmmm.

Laura: Hmmm.

Kevin: My- my inclination would be that there were instructions. I would say that J.K. Rowling initially intended to write it so that either Kreacher or Regulas refilled it, because he did not want to leave it so that Voldemort would have an inclination that something was wrong. But I would guess that she, either through editing or, you know, by mistake, left out that.

Micah: Now, who refilled it, though, after Dumbledore drank it? ‘Cause, does – in the scene where Voldemort goes to the cave, doesn’t he have to…

Eric: Oh, isn’t it there again?

Kevin: Oh, you’re right. I don’t know.

Eric: I think…

Laura: Maybe she intended for it to actually refill itself.

Micah: Yeah, that’s what I thought.

Laura: And there was just…

Eric: Like, I mean – like, I mean, you can drink it and it doesn’t refill itself immediately. Like, the only thing that can affect it is if you drink it, but we’re talking, like, you know, an hour, two hours.

Kevin: Yeah, but…

Eric: Like, after you don’t drink it, it refills itself.

Kevin: It just seems strange that Voldemort would refill it though.

Eric: Yeah, like…

Kevin: There’s -t here…

Eric: I’m going to come back here a refill it. He would have never expected.

Kevin: I would say – I would say it’s one of those small inconsistencies that were left open.

Laura: Yeah.

Kevin: You should ask that, Laura.

Laura: Yeah, but I’m not going to ask her about an inconsistency. That’s…

Kevin: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a technicality type thing…

Laura: Ridiculous.

Eric: Where she can just go…

Kevin: So, you can nitpick everything she does. Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, so she can glare at me and be, like…

Kevin: You’ve only written over five, six-thousand pages, you know. Why’d you make this one mistake in…?

Eric: Laura – yeah, yeah, honestly. There, Kevin’s got it. She wouldn’t glare, though. She’d smile. Very big JKR smile.

Laura: Okay.

Eric: Yeah. You know, because she respects people. The – the thing I like is that all this scene in the green phosphorescent goo is all going to be a set as opposed to CGI. I mean, I don’t know about the goo, but that’s the other thing. They didn’t say it in the interview, but the cave is going to be a set, as a opposed to, you know, just sort of a CGI – blue screen type thing.

Kevin: I wonder if they’re putting it…

Eric: It’s going to be cool.

Kevin: In a real cave. I think that would be cool.

Eric: Or real actors to play the corpses.

Laura: That would be awesome.

Eric: That would be awesome. So that we get like a bunch of guys in scuba gear in, like, the set pics. And that would be awesome.

Laura: [laughs] All right, well that – pretty sharp eye there. Good job. Next one.


Voicemail: Slytherin’s Outcome


[Audio]: Hey there, MuggleCast. This is Delve, 26 in the UK. I tried to call in to the MuggleCast Live, but unfortunately, it seems I’ve been unsuccessful. Well, my question for you guys is how do you feel about how Slytherin comes out at the end of the book? Personally, I was hoping that they would come to maybe have a little bit of good in them, but I guess other than one or two things we see in the fight, she gave the idea that Slytherin equals evil. So, what do you guys think about that? Okay, bye!

Laura: I don’t think that she left it with the idea that the house itself was evil. I think she was talking about the people who had sort of given it that reputation.

Kevin: I think so, too. Yeah.

Laura: And I – yeah, I think that by the time Harry’s children go to Hogwarts, those people aren’t necessarily there anymore because, if you think about it, anybody who would ardently support Voldemort at that point would not be going to Hogwarts.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: They would be going somewhere where they could learn dark magic. So…

Eric: You couldn’t support Lord Voldemort anymore. [laughs]

Laura: Well, yeah. Anybody – anybody who still wanted to operate under the very flawed theories that he had could not go to Hogwarts at that point.

Eric: Yeah.

Kevin: And you also – you also have to remember that the Gryffindors had somewhat of an advantage over the Slytherins when choosing to stay because of their involvement with Dumbledore’s Army and stuff like that. Like, all the other houses, I should say, had an advantage over Slytherins. And I think that she – it would be difficult to write in that kind of sub-story given that she would also have to convince people that the person was very willing to stay. You know what I mean?

Laura: Yeah, that’s a good point.

Kevin: Because if you think of that situation, if you’re not involved with anything regarding Voldemort and Dumbledore’s Army and stuff like that, why would you stay?

Laura: Yeah, that’s true.

Kevin: Your – your parents are telling you you have to get out of there.

Eric: Look, dude, you could just have just a regular liking for Hogwarts. I mean, I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m just saying that there are probably other people…

Kevin: Yeah, but our expectations of a kid at that age are pretty high…

Eric: Oh, yeah. True.

Kevin: Because we’re basing them on Dumbledore’s Army and Harry Potter.

Eric: Well..

Kevin: But if you’re a normal kid, given the life or death situation that’s, you know, presenting, if your parents tell you to get out of there, you’re going to get out of there.

Eric: Well, maybe though, I mean there were – I mean, again Gryffindors, of course, because that’s the only people we’ve heard from, there were people sort of contesting their parents’ wishes and saying that, well, you know, isn’t – doesn’t the whole world really believe that Hogwarts is a safe place? But then again, even saying that, Hogwarts wasn’t really a safe place the entire seven years. Sirius Black got in and everything else happened, and yeah. So, I wouldn’t really – sorry. I refrain from comment.

Micah: I have a question, though, about the end scene talking about Slytherin. It’s something that always confused me and maybe it was the wording surrounding Slughorn. Because – and I’m sure somebody’s sent something in about this, but it almost seemed like – the way that the – whoever he was in the scene with – it seemed like he was fighting against, whether it was Bill or Charlie, I can’t remember, but the way that the scene was worded. And I didn’t know if that was supposed to mean that he was secretly a Death Eater or what the deal was. Do you guys know what I’m talking about or am I going to have to get the book?

Laura: I can’t say I do.

Kevin: I can’t say I do either.

Eric: I just think it’s so depressing really, not just how little of Hogwarts we saw, but Slughorn was kind of a good character in Book 6 and – I mean, not a good character – well, I – a thorough character and I mean, its very much established to be discarded in a certain way and that’s life. You’ve got to get on with it. But I – I just wish Slughorn was – I’m sorry, it was just too quick a departure, you know what I’m saying? Like, I didn’t – I didn’t misread that scene. I wasn’t quite sure what was going on with Slughorn, but I think – do you guys remember – was it – was it Slughorn who helped chase Snape out? Because wasn’t Snape – there was a scene with Snape and he ran into McGonagall and a few others and he sort of ran out and then they chase after him, firing off spells or something sort of like that. Do you guys remember that? Like, wasn’t…

Laura: Hang on. Let me check it really quick.

Eric: There’s a scene – yeah, there’s definitely a scene where he sort of met them, like, either the Heads of Houses or something and he met with them and then ran off.

Micah: Well, it always – something else that kind of was in the back of my mind was in the first chapter there’s a man that’s described similar to Slughorn at the table, but Jo never says exactly what his name is. Hold on, I’m looking to see here. But, I mean, it says later in this chapter that Voldemort was dueling with McGonagall, Slughorn, and Kingsley, but I don’t know. It was just really weird the way it was phrased.

Eric: I – I’d like to see, like, a play-by-play. I mean, just – just like, generally, like. I wonder if she sat there with like chess pieces or figurines – the action figures, of course! They’d be the action figures. She’d grab the action figures and play them out in the battle.

Micah: Oh, I see.

Eric: I was just thinking, you know, how does JKR plan this stuff?

Laura: Yeah, I don’t see Slughorn mentioned here.

Micah: Now I know why it was confusing. Because it says “Charlie was, overtaking Horace Slughorn…” but it was referring to the people running up the steps, not battling each other.

Eric: Oh!

Micah: So that was – because I had seen a couple rebuttals about that, but very poor wording.

Eric: So, overtaking. Yeah. Poor wording? Oooh.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: That’s harsh. No, I agree with you. I agree with you. That’s – that’s – if I were to have misread that, I would have had something else to complain about.

Laura: [laughs] All right, are we ready for the next one?

Eric: Like I need that. Yep.

MuggleCast 115 Transcript (continued)


Voicemail: Pouch on Harry’s Neck


[Audio]: Hey, MuggleCast. I was just saying you keep referring to the thing that is around Harry’s neck on the cover of the U.S. edition of Deathly Hallows as the locket, but I think it’s actually the moleskin pouch that Hagrid gives him, because he doesn’t have the locket at that point. Thanks, bye!

Laura: Yeah, I think that that’s completely right. I’m positive, in fact, that it was the pouch. I don’t see why it would be anything else.


Voicemail: Clearing Snape’s Name


[Audio]: Hi, guys. This is Summer and I had a theory on how I think they’re going to find out that Snape is good or bad. Why can’t they look at Dumbledore’s Pensieve? If he figured that people would think he was evil after killing him then maybe he’d have left some kind of will or something like that, which just said, you know, “go look at the Pensieve.” And he could have, you know, he could left a memory of when he was discussing it with Snape. And wouldn’t that just be brilliant, like, I don’t know. And can you look at a dead person’s Pensieve? I don’t – I kind of want to hear you guys’ thoughts about that. So, anyway. Great show, I love listening whenever I’m driving to and from the home to work. So, anyways, ummm, pickles!

Eric: No, no. no. There’s no need to do an external thing about the will. Because Dumbledore, at the time of his death, wouldn’t know how things would turn out. Maybe Snape would actually li – well, I don’t want to say, “live,” but just in the end, I mean, Harry was obviously grateful enough to Snape to name his kid after him, in a way, that I’m pretty sure that Harry would have cleared Snape’s name…

Kevin: And I think…

Eric: …among the list of things to do when you’ve…

Kevin: I think she said that in an interview, as well.

Micah: Yeah. In that chat.

Kevin: Yeah.

Micah: She said something.

Kevin: Beyond, everyone knows what he did. So…

Micah: She felt that Harry would have let people know exactly what Snape did, or something along those lines. I don’t remember word for word what she said, but suffice it to say that everyone knows.

Laura: Yeah, I think it would turn out exactly like it did with Sirius, where Fudge admitted at the beginning of the sixth book that his name was cleared and it was out in the open now. So…


The Muggle World in Book 7


Eric: Turns out he was innocent, too, and yeah, turns out this and that. What was…? Oh yeah, the beginning of the sixth book had the Muggle…

Laura: The Prime Minister.

Eric: …you know, that great sort of Muggle thing. What did the Muggle world have to do with Book 7 as far as it affected it? Because she did a quite good portrayal, I mean a quite massive portrayal of the whole wizarding world being affected, but it just seemed like it never quite made it to the whole Muggle world.

Laura: Oh, I think it did.

Eric: Which is good.

Laura: I think that was the point of the first chapter of Half-Blood Prince. There were all these tragedies going on during that week that the Prime Minister was talking about.

Eric: Yeah, but people never knew. The whole wizarding world wasn’t exposed; otherwise there would be something about that in Book 7.

Laura: Well, no, they weren’t exposed, but it still did affect the Muggles.

Eric: I’m saying it’s… Oh, it affected them. I’m saying, though, how did Book 7 – how did any of the events in Book 7 when the whole wizarding world is being corrupt and they’re going after purebloods and Muggle-borns, they’re – it sort of wasn’t touched on the Muggle aspect of how many, you know – what are Muggles seeing? That there’s just obviously anything Muggles saw, would not have been, you know, covered up anymore as a result of the fallen Ministry. Or you know, everybody else was Death Eaters inhabited and running for their lives, and stuff like that. I just don’t remember reading anything about the Muggles themselves. Muggles, if that was at all important. You know? Those non-wizard folk.

Laura: Yeah. I don’t know. I mean, I think that they were definitely affected, but I think there was also a lot to cover in Book 7.


Voicemail: Was Quirrell a Horcrux?


[Audio]: Hey, MuggleCasters. This is Henry from New York. I was just calling to see what you guys think about my theory, that, I think Quirrell might be a –
Quirrell might have been a Horcrux, because Voldemort had latched onto the back of his head. So, he sort of – so, I guess he sort of incased his soul inside of Quirrell. So, Quirrell might have been maybe, like a temporary Horcrux. And, so I was just wondering what you guys
think about that theory. All right. Thanks. Bye.

Kevin: Uh, no.

Micah: No.

Eric: No, no, no.

Kevin: Because you have to remember that that piece of Voldemort’s soul was Voldemort, it was not a piece, as it were. It was what was remaining after he cut pieces off, so it was Voldemort and therefore…

Eric: [laughs] Right.

Kevin: …could not have been considered a Horcrux.

Laura: Right. Although, I do see where you’re coming from on that.

Kevin: Yeah, it makes sense.

Laura: Because it does have somewhat of a…

Eric: Like if a horcrux is a piece of soul.

Kevin: Yeah.

Laura: Voldemort seems to like to…

Eric: And then a piece…

Laura: …latch himself on to and into things. He’s a…

Eric: Very parasitic, very, you know, sort of – which is interesting, because isn’t the whole thing that Voldemort needs no one, and yet he exists in the book so much as parasites, yet he needs no friends, sort of operates alone. Yet, clearly, he doesn’t.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: That’s brilliant.

Laura: Awesome.

Eric: That’s brilliant.


Voicemail: Crookshanks


[Audio]: Hey, guys, this is Kelsey from California. I was just wondering what you thought about the theory that the cat mentioned in Lily’s letter to Sirius is actually Crookshanks. It would time out relatively well, because the shop owner where Hermione bought Crookshanks said that he’d been there for a while. I just wanted to know what you guys thought. Thanks!

Laura: Ummm…

Eric: I like this but I don’t.

Laura: Yeah. It would be a really cool connection, but at the same time, I don’t know. I just feel like if that were the case Jo would have said something in the book.

Micah: Ask Jo.

Kevin: I don’t know if she would have.

Laura: And…

Micah: Laura.

Laura: Hmmm?

Micah: That’s your question for Jo. I mean…

[Laura laughs]

Micah: I think…

Kevin: We keep suggesting all these questions.

Micah: I’ll give support to it.

Eric: [laughs] Micah, Micah, Micah. Get your own ticket.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: Get a guy named Micah to give you a ticket…

Micah: No, no, no.

Eric: …Micah.

Micah: No, no, no.

Eric: Because there’s a guy somewhere named Micah who has a ticket.

Micah: Hold on, hold on. I’ll give evidence to support it. You look at how well in Prisoner of Azkaban Crookshanks gets along with Sirius. Could that be a relationship that was developed previously?

Laura: Oh yeah, that’s a good point.

Kevin: That’s true, too, yeah.

Micah: So.

Eric: Oh, wow.

Micah: There you go, give you a little…

Laura: But why wouldn’t Sirius have said anything? Like, “Oh, by the way, Harry, that’s your cat.”

Eric: Becaue, because he Oh, I know why. Because if he did, that would be, not necessarily a father figure for Harry, but it would have to go.

Laura: What? [laughs]

Eric: Because, see, Hedwig had to go. Under some kind of stupid logic, okay? I don’t want to call it stupid logic. Hedwig went. [laughs] Hedwig went with a big bang, and I’m entertaining myself here. But, yeah, if she introduced Crookshanks as a member of the…

Micah: Well…

Eric: …family.

Micah: If you want me to add more to it…

Eric: It would be on a death list.

Micah: …it would also explain why the cat always chased after Scabbers.

Laura: Awww yeah! Awww….

Eric: Well, I mean, that could have also been – I mean, that was already explained, though. That was already explained, though, about the, you know, that Kneazles – if Crookshanks is a Kneazle, well, as opposed to a regular household cat (and that was confirmed), that they just are very suspicious of animagus and not trustworthy of…

Micah: Hey, I’m just trying to support…

Eric: You know, Crookshanks could sense that Scabbers wasn’t…

Micah: …the voice mail here.

Laura: Yeah, but…

Micah: Give it a little bit of credibility.

Laura: Micah, he does have a good point.

Eric: And it does have credibility.

Laura: Because Sirius said that he got Crookshanks to trust him when he was in dog form. So I doubt – I mean, I’m sure he encouraged Crookshanks to try and kill Scabbers.

Eric: Yeah. Crookshanks doesn’t really like Ron, does he? Because doesn’t, at one point he just jumps on him?

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Or something? Hurts his – oh yeah, well he jumps on his face to begin with. I don’t know what the Weasleys ever did to upset the Potters, but I’d like to read about that. Laura, that’s your question.

Laura: [laughs] Oh my gosh.

Kevin: You’re only going to have 15 questions, Laura.

Eric: Why does Crookshanks have it in for Ron?

Laura: Oh yeah, really. Okay. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah. Yeah. Choose wisely. Do a poll. We’ll do a poll.

Laura: Okay, sure.


Voicemail: Lack of Non-Verbal Spells


[Audio]: Hi, MuggleCast! I got a question for ya. I was just listening to the August 12th podcast live show and you guys started complaining about the absence of Inferi in ‘Deathly Hallows,’ and I have say, I agree with you, because I was expecting to see zombies all over the place, but the only Inferi we saw was the fake Dumbledore Inferi at Grimmauld Place. But more frustrating than that, to me, was the complete absence of non-verbal spells! You know? That’s a main plot point of Book 6, you know? And especially like the big Snape/Harry fight at the end of the book where he just keeps shutting him down. You know, “blocked again and again, Potter, until you learn to shut your mouth!” You know? Stuff like that. And there was nothing about non-verbal spells in ‘Deathly Hallows.’ Can you answer me why that is? Thanks.

Eric: [sighs] There’s just so much in her world. She just couldn’t keep up with it in the end. You roll a snowball, and it gets so big and so big and so big, but she’s doing – you do what you can. But yeah, you’re right. I would’ve liked to have seen non-verbal spells, but that’s the thing. Harry couldn’t really – Harry didn’t return for his seventh year at Hogwarts, so he couldn’t really learn them. You know what I’m saying? Like, we can assume that in – by the epilogue he knew them, or, you know, at least if he’d, you know, revolutionized the Ministry, he was pretty well off with spells. But, in the current context of the story, non-verbal spells didn’t really – like, I mean, let’s face it. The only thing youhad to do to destroy a Horcrux was, well, stick a – I don’t want to say stick a sword in it. But you think of how Hermione got the information on the Horcrux books. Come on, accio Horcrux books? [laughs] And they flew out of Dumbledore’s window? Come on! That’s not even a non-verbal spell! It’s just – I think that Jo gave up.

Laura: No, I don’t think so.

Eric: That – that’s the only answer. Accio Horcrux books? Come on.

Laura: No, I don’t think that’s it. I think that – I think part of this and, not to state the obvious here, but I think we and people who enjoy listening to shows and spending time on message boards look a lot further into these things than the average reader, and then what Jo would expect. Like – but do you remember…

Eric: I think they would be going, “Where’s the non-verbal spells?” Beause she’s set that up.

Laura: But do you remember whenever we all finished the book and we were ranting about how the U.S. book cover was extremely misleading because Harry and Voldemort both had their hands up in the air and we were like, “Yes! They’re doing wandless magic!”

Eric: [sighs] Wandless magic, yeah.

Laura: Yeah, that. It didn’t end up happening at all.

Eric: Yeah, you’re right. So, I guess the question is then – does verbal spells have anything – are non-verbal spells that important, or were they just another thing to teach during the lesson, such as Grindylows and D.A.D.A. and that sort of thing?

Laura: You also have to consider it might have been something Jo was throwing in to kind of lead us off the scent, because she didn’t necessarily want us to be able to guess right off the bat how Harry was going to kill Voldemort. So, by throwing the non-verbal spells on the table…

Eric: That’s true.

Laura: …that kind of gave us a theory to play with while she actually had this whole story of the Elder Wand to kind of throw at us and be like, “Ha! Guess what? You were wrong!”

Micah: Yeah! “Hey, Expelliarmus!” Book’s over.

Eric: Yeah, you’re probably right, it just – yeah.

[Laura and Eric laugh]

Eric: Cut to black. Just like Sopranos.


Ending of Book 7

Micah: That’s what I didn’t really get to talk to you guys much about this, but did you feel that that was a sufficient ending? I mean…

Laura: What? The Elder Wand?

Micah: No, no. The whole…

Eric: Well, he defeated Voldemort with Expelliarmus.

Kevin: I liked that.

Laura: I thought it was awesome.

Kevin: Because that was…

Eric: Wait. Let me guess, let me guess. You guys think – you guys think that it shows Harry’s innocence and purity?

Kevin: No…

Eric: …because he didn’t have to use the Death Curse, or…

Kevin: No, it was because he got to use his spell. Like that’s what – that – exactly.

Eric: His signature move.

Kevin: And he finished Voldemort with a spell that you’d think would be harmless, and yet…

Eric: So, it’s further insulting to Voldemort. I think Voldemort’s character took enough hits in this book being so stupid. Making these stupid…

Laura: [laughs] What?

Eric: …stupid mistakes.

Laura: The book was not stupid, Eric. It was brilliant.

Eric: No, no, no, no. Voldemort was.

Laura: Oh, okay.

Eric: I’m saying Voldemort…

Laura: I was going to be like, “Ummm, no.”

Eric: No, no, no. I said Voldemort. Andrew, please make sure that makes sense. I meant Voldemort is the one who makes all the stupid – Voldemort’s character took enough hits in this book by making so many stupid mistakes. Things just not following through with the whole – I mean, if you’re going to have a plan do it right, and Voldemort just didn’t. It was flawed in many, many, many, many, many, many, many ways. And it just occurred to me that I really like the term MuggleMail as opposed to Listener Rebuttals.

Laura: I’m glad, Eric.

Eric: That just hit me right now.

Laura: Yeah, I think a lot of it goes back to Voldemort being so powerful that he doesn’t consider anything simplistic. Like, Hermione was saying that Voldemort would never consider the power of a House Elf. Therefore, Dobby – or not Dobby – Kreacher was able to disapparate from the cave.

Eric: That’s a stretch. That alone is a stretch, I think. To say that Voldemort, oh you know, wouldn’t consider anything, you know, but maybe he doesn’t even learn from his mistakes. Some people just don’t. But overall, the majority of mistakes and just not – I mean, it’s one thing not to know anything, but I thought that Voldemort made a lot of just stupid character misjudgments that I wouldn’t have particularly expected from him given the set up in Book 6. You know, I was always – he was a well studied student. You know, he’s either intelligent or not. He found the Chamber of Secrets, which no one had done, even teachers, you know, searching and searching and searching. And, you know, obviously he was a Parseltongue, so that assisted him. He could walk around the walls saying, “Open, open, open,” in Parseltongue until something happened. Yeah, that could be a benefit, but Tom Riddle was either one of the most brilliant minds of his age, or he wasn’t. You know, Jo can’t seem to…

Kevin: Yeah, but…

Laura: Right but…

Eric: …Jo can’t seem to decide.

Kevin: Yeah, but just…

Eric: But then again tainted with a half soul.

Kevin: Just because you’re intelligent does not mean you’re ignorant. And…

Eric: You’re allowed to make mistakes. And Voldemort can be ignorant. But he was too ignorant, in my opinion.

Kevin: I don’t think so. He was blinded by his power.

Laura: Yeah.

Kevin: He was fully ignorant.

Laura: It’s like you think about people who…

Eric: That’s too easy to say though.

Laura: …are so intelligent they lack common sense, because they – it’s true. There are people like that. And if you remember in the first book, whenever Harry and Hermione were in Snape’s potion chamber before they got to the stone, Hermione said some of the greatest wizards out there haven’t got an ounce of logic and they would be stuck in here forever.

Eric: And that’s a good quote. Okay, so, let me ask the question then without arguing with any fundamental principles – which is against the law of philosophy – I have a philosophy course too, by the way. I love it. But do you guys think that you would’ve preferred if Voldemort were ignorant as he was in Book 7? I call him stupid or ignorant and both, which he was, or would you have preferred if Voldemort were sort of the ultimate villain in that he had thought of everything. Would you have preferred a really truly, sort of intellectual match against, you know, match of minds – duel of intelligent powers as opposed to what I would call cop outs, only much more fairly – this sort of luck or sort of weaning out of situations that Harry
did throughout the whole book series. You know, and, “Oh! I’m going to count on Voldemort’s forgetting this because I only know Expelliarmus!”

Laura: But Harry didn’t count on Voldemort forgetting.

Eric: Wouldn’t you…

Laura: He was terrified throughout the whole book.

Eric: Maybe he was terrified! Good for him. But Voldemort still did forget a lot of stuff, or was very ignorant and that allowed to his downfall. I think it would’ve been much…

Kevin: But that’s the whole point of the story.

Eric: The point of the story is that, well, I – that Voldemort’s not a compelling villain?

Kevin: That…that…

Eric: I mean he killed so many people.

Kevin: No, that he was compelling because he was so powerful and he could’ve easily won and yet he decided he was so ignorant about his power that he lost.


Comparison with Hitler


Eric: I suppose I’m trying to figure out, again, why the whole Hitler allegory was… I mean, you know, she sort of said – there was a line by Dumbledore in Book 6 about Dumbledore, you know, sort of, you know – “dictators everywhere create their own enemies” sort of thing and they always fear for their lives. And it was just – I’m just trying to think where she was reaching, because I think – I mean, Hitler wasn’t necessarily a – intelligent, in a way. I mean, I don’t want to say that because I haven’t studied the period enough, but I’m saying I just think it would’ve been – I would probably go onto a book where I want to read sort of a really compelling villain, like arch nemesis, you know, sort of, really – and not have the hero – you know, have the hero really have to duel it out. I know it took it out of Harry, I just – I’m trying to think why I’m not so sympathetic about it.

Micah: I thought – and yeah, there’s definitely comparisons with Voldemort. I thought Grindelwald was more of a comparison to Hitler, in my opinion, because you look at his symbol…

Eric: The Master Race.

Micah: …you look at his, you know, similar mentality to Voldemort in the treating of certain types of witches and wizards, and then also where he is at the end of the story. You know, he’s in that prison, which has a very similar name. I forget the name of it, but it has a very similar name to a concentration camp that – from World War II.

Eric: Yeah, that’s something to do with Dakau

Micah: So I always drew more of a comparison between Grindelwald and Hitler, as opposed to Voldemort, but there – I think you could go with either of them.

Laura: Yeah, I remember Jo – someone did ask her that in an interview a few years ago, and I don’t remember specifically what she said, but she did say that she wasn’t basing Voldemort on anyone in particular, like Hitler. I’m sure that there was definitely some influence there, but I don’t think that she was trying to base any of these bad guys in particular on the story of Hitler or Mussolini or any of these other terrible, terrible men.

Micah: And Grindelwald was a little more timely to the World War II time of events.

Laura: Well yeah, 1945.

Eric: Well, that was the whole thing. People really thought, you know, in the first book, when she said that in the wizard card, people were like, “You know what? That’s just the World War II, Jo’s tie-in, you know, to the whole World War II thing.” And, turned out – I mean, I guess we didn’t – we found out what we needed to about Grindelwald. And Krum, I mean, obviously was compelling because Krum was so mad at Xenophilius Lovegood, because he’s like, you know, “Grindelwald graffitied that at my school and it’s a horrible symbol, and I’m going to go beat Xeno, that ‘X’ guy, up,” you know, sort of thing. So, I mean, Grindelwald was obviously pretty tough and pretty scary, and Dumbledore almost followed him, and that was, you know – I mean, that’s Dumbledore’s moment. So…

Micah: Yeah, he’s in the prison here called Nurmengard. I mean, thatreminds me of Nuremberg…

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: …you know? So I think that’s where she was kind of going with that, but I’ll leave it alone because – I don’t know. [sighs]

Eric: Yeah. I mean, that’s just too many questions to ask J.K.R. You’re right, we do need that question.

Laura: I’ll ask her about that, too. Okay, you guys want me to do that?

Eric: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, don’t. Laura, I found the solution: Take all the questions. Once the transcript is out – do we still do transcripts,
Micah?

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Once the transcript’s out, just do it in one really long sentence. [laughs] And just have her sit there and just do it in one really long sentence. That’d be awesome.

Laura: Wow.

Eric: They won’t “chose” it. They won’t choose it because it’ll be pre-screened, but you don’t actually have to ask what’s pre-screened. Oh, I don’t want to give the ideas, but, yeah.

Laura: Wow, somehow…

Eric: Just one run-on question.

Laura: Somehow we got from nonverbal spells to correlations between World II Two and Grindelwald. We need to make a flow chart…

[Micah laughs]

Laura: …so we can understand how we end up arriving at these conclusions. [laughs]

Eric: How do we get from that to that? I think it would have largely…

Kevin: So true.

Eric: …something to do with me, unfortunately. But I don’t know.

Laura: Probably, but it’s not a bad thing. It’s awesome.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: All right, unless anybody has anything else to say…

Eric: Oh, no, it’s cool.

Laura: Yes? No?

Eric: For this time, for this time and this place?

Laura: Okay, I’m going to take that as a no.


Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul


Laura: We are moving on to Chicken Soup. This one comes from Chelsea, and she lives in Snellville, Georgia, which is actually not far from where I used to live. She says:

Hi, MuggleCast! I just wanted to share a Chicken Soup with you guys. November of 2005, my uncle and godfather were diagnosed with Multiple Myeloma, a cancer that attacks the blood marrow. My uncle and his wife and daughter live 45 minutes away in Alpharetta. In the past 20 months as he got sicker and sicker we would make the long drive down the interstate to go visit with him. He went through three rounds of chemo and a stem cell transplant, both unsuccessful. On July 10th, he passed away. It was somewhat of a relief to our whole family that he was no longer in pain. But I just thought that I’d let you guys know that through the dozens of car rides to Alpharetta, I found solace in listening to MuggleCast. Hearing you guys joke around and debate theories kept my mind off of my uncle and I thank you for that.

Wow! Well, I – you know, I just can’t get it across enough that I really love that the show is able to make people laugh, and make them happy during hard times in their lives.

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: It really makes me happy to hear that.

Eric: We help people. We help people.

Micah: Yeah. Like, the pause that we had after you read that, it wasn’t because, you know – we just don’t know what to say when we hear those types of stories, that’s what it is, I think.

Laura: Yeah, it’s – yeah.

Eric: But they’re good. I mean, they really are. They’re compelling and empowering stories.

Laura: Yeah, and on that note – I kind of wish that we had a British Joke.

Eric: Yeah. Can we recycle one?

Laura: Awww.

Eric: Andrew? Because I bet you’re missing Jamie already, so can you please just cut in sort of…

Laura: Did you just call me Andrew?

Eric: No, I’m talking to Andrew. I…

Laura: Okay, I was like…

Eric: No, no, no, I’m actually talking to Andrew.

Kevin: No, he’s talking to Andrew.

Laura: Why would you do that to me? [laughs]

Eric: Andrew, can you cut in a previous joke? Note to editor…

[Show close music]

Eric: Beep beep beep.

Micah: That’s pretty impressive. You’re talking to Andrew, considering…

[Laura laughs]

Micah: …he’s flying across the Atlantic right now.

Laura: I do believe that wraps up this week’s show. As always, you have several options when it comes to contacting us.

Kevin: Oh my god.

Laura: If you live in the U.S…

Eric: Dial 1-218-20…

Laura: [laughs] …you can give us a call…

Eric: …MAGIC. [laughs]

Laura: Hey!

Eric: Okay…

Laura: Stop.

Eric: …didn’t want to encroach on approaching territory there, okay. Sorry.

Laura: [laughs] If you’re living in the U.K., phone in at
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first name at staff dot mugglenet dot com. Don’t forget about the community outlets. Help me out, guys. It’s MySpace, Facebook

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Laura: YouTube, Frappr, Last.FM, is that it?

Eric: Facebook, yeah.

Laura: Yeah. Oh, and…

Kevin: I think so.

Laura: Digg the show at Digg.com.

Eric: Yes, Digg us up. rate us at Yahoo! Podcasts, and I think that’s it, but if for any reason contacting us electronically isn’t your thing, you can also send parcel mail the to the MuggleCast PO Box. That’s:

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Kevin: I’m Kevin Steck.

Micah: And I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Laura: We will see you guys next week. Bye bye.

Micah: Bye.


Bloopers


Eric: Yup, so, anyway. I was in the middle of telling a story.

Laura: I’m sor – you were talking about the time change, Eric!

Kevin: Yeah.

Eric: It was a funny story!

[Laura laughs]

Eric: It was a funny story! I had a good story to tell about how I missed worked because – and I was at the kabob place yesterday and the guy was like, “Oh, you know, the sunset’s going to start late and there’s going to be a time change,” but I have no radio in my car and no cable TV, so I couldn’t possibly know, and I was 40 minutes late to work.

Kevin: Relevance to Harry Potter? Zero.

Eric: Oh, relevance to Harry Potter? Well, I went to work,then, and I ended up reading about reviews that I had written on the first Harry Potter books because we’re doing product knowledge now at Borders.

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Transcript #114

MuggleCast 114 Transcript


Show Intro


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[Show music begins playing]

Micah: Because somebody still hasn’t seen Order of the Phoenix, this is MuggleCast Episode 114 for September 24th, 2007.

[Show music continues]

Jamie: Whoa! Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 1-1-4. We’ve got a great show lined up for you today. Excellent news, excellent theories, excellent rebuttals, and a great main discussion. I’m Andrew Sims.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Jamie: I’m Jamie Lawrence.

Micah: And I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

[Show music continues]

Jamie: Now, first of all, we go over to Micah for this week’s top Harry Potter news stories. Micah?


News


Micah: Okay, thanks, Jamie. Emma Watson, the actress who plays Hermione Granger, has updated the blog on her official site informing fans that she finished filming Ballet Shoes. She says, “I am really nervous to see the results, but mostly
very, very excited.”

It has been confirmed by Warner Bros. that the fifth Harry Potter movie DVD will be released in Britain on November 12th and in the U.S. on December 11th. Some quick facts: the single disc, both full-screen and wide-screen, will be priced at $28.98,
the dual-disc at $34.99, and the HD and Blu-Ray disc at $35.99. The dual-disc set will include a sneak peek at Half-Blood Prince. Additional seventeen minutes of Order of the Phoenix footage will be included on all the DVDs, and there
will be a limited edition gift set to include more than three hours of all new content from the past Harry Potter films.

From Order of the Phoenix to Half-Blood Prince, Jim Broadbent has confirmed that he will be playing the role of Professor Horace Slughorn. Broadbent described his new role in an interview with Dark Horizons saying, “He’s a
retired teacher of magic who’s drawn back out of retirement, because he’s got some secrets they need in the battle against the Death Eaters. And he’s quite star struck as a teacher. And he’s drawn back into the fold, because he likes to notch up celebrity students, and he’s drawn back by Harry.”
Broadbent would be recognizable to most Harry Potter fans for his role as Professor Kirke in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.

Today, the MTV News blog had an online interview with Harry Potter actor Dan Radcliffe, who gave MTV the scoop on filming the cave and Inferi scenes. He said, “I’m really looking forward to filming the cave and all the stuff in there, with the
lake and the Inferi.”
Radcliffe enthused, “Me and Michael Gambon in a rowboat for a few days. It’s going to be amazing.” Dan also reveals that the cave will be filmed on a real set, rather than being inserted digitally.

In a new audio interview that will leave diehard fans very happy, Half-Blood Prince director David Yates talks about how he understands the fans’ connection with each film. With that in mind, he says he’s going to make Half-Blood Prince a very character-driven film with a coming of age story, thanks in part to screenwriter Steve Kloves’s fun draft. Filming began for Half-Blood Prince on September 17th and the sixth Potter film is due out November 18, 2008.

New York, New Orleans and Los Angeles were not enough! J.K. Rowling will make an appearance on the morning of October 23rd at the Winter Garden Theatre in downtown Toronto. It’s an all ages event hosted by Toronto’s International Festival of Authors and Rowling’s Canadian publisher, Vancouver-based Raincoast Books. Ms. Rowling will read from Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, entertain questions from fans, and autograph complimentary copies of the book. Until September the 27th, Canadian fans can visit Raincoast’s website and enter for the drawing that awards ten pairs of tickets every day. Tickets
are also being given out to Canadian libraries and the country’s 79 public and Catholic school boards. That’s all the news for this September 24th, 2007 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.


Andrew is Absent


Jamie: All right, thank you, Micah.

Micah: Thanks.

Jamie: How is everyone today?

Laura: Whoa.

Jamie: Whoa!

Micah: What was that “whoa” for?

Laura: Yeah, wow, I’m doing well. How are you guys? Andrew, you sound a little funny.

Jamie: [imitating Andrew] Well, you know, it’s – I’ve got a bit of a cold, and my audio is a bit messed up. But everything is good! [speaking as himself] Oh, that’s really great, Andrew! I’m really glad that your audio is messed up. Excellent. Micah, how are you?

Micah: I’m doing great.

Jamie: Good. Now we have some bad news. Andrew, unfortunately, has to leave now to go and do some stuff. He’s moved on to pastures new. So he can’t be with us today. How does everyone feel about that? Sad? Very, very sad, I know?

Laura: Eh, whatever. Go away, Andrew.

Jamie: Yeah, Andrew, go away! You’ve abandoned us – abandoned us – abandoned us…

Micah: Wow, Laura, geez.


News Discussion: Ballet Shoes


Jamie: …all the way. But we’re going to start off with a bit of news discussion to hopefully clear the air after Andrew leaving. So, Emma, as Micah has just told us, has just finished filming Ballet Shoes. Laura, you’re the resident
personal expert on Ballet Shoes

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: …so do you think you could give us a few facts about it?

Laura: If you could call it that.

[Jamie laughs]

Laura: I know that – I can’t say that I know a whole lot about it, but I know it’s based on a book, I believe. We were talking about how, if I get this wrong, like five hundred of you are going to e-mail, so. But…

[Jamie and Laura laugh]

Laura: …it’s based on a book, and I’m pretty sure it’s a BBC production. And as far as I know, apparently she dyed her hair blonde for it. That’s what I read on her site.

Jamie: Now, is she a natural blonde? Because I could have sworn…

Laura: I don’t think so.

Jamie: …I heard, a few years ago that Emma Watson is a natural blonde. Is that completely wrong?

Laura: I don’t – I mean…

Micah: Ask Ben.

Laura: I hate to turn this into a girly show, scrutinizing people’s hair color, but I mean…

Jamie: No, that’s fine. [laughs]

Laura: Just judging from – I don’t know. I wouldn’t say that it’s natural, but I don’t know for sure.

Jamie: How can you tell? How can you tell?

Laura: Because I’m a girl, and I dye my hair, and I can just tell.

Jamie: But…

Laura: Like, you can see roots and stuff.

Jamie: Really? Yeah, but surely, if it’s done for the movies then it could be that they’ve just changed a few things for that, but it isn’t actually dyed. Or I mean…

Laura: It could be. I mean, I don’t know, personally. I’ve never asked Emma if she dyes her hair.

Jamie: Well, Laura…

Laura: But I should have.

Jamie: …you need to come here more prepared! I mean, come on now.

Laura: I should have. I should have just gone up to her in L.A. and been like, “Hey, do you dye your hair? We really need to know. It’s a pressing question.”

Jamie: Yes. That was a poor effort on your behalf. But what did you guys think about Emma branching out after Harry Potter?

Laura: I think it’s really good for her, because – I mean, I don’t really know what kind of role she’s playing in Ballet Shoes, but if you consider the role that she’s playing as Hermione, it’s something that you could become slightly type-cast
as, you know? The know-it-all and, you know, the only girl. That type of thing.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: So, I think it’s good. I know that she’s playing an orphan in Ballet Shoes, so I’m assuming that she’s going to be with a lot of other girls.

Micah: Oh, there’s a stretch from Harry Potter.

Laura: Okay, but she’s not the orphan, Micah!

[Jamie laughs]

Micah: Fair point, fair point.

Jamie: Well, Dan’s doing it as well in The December Boys.

Laura: Doesn’t he play an orphan there as well?

Jamie: He does, yeah.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: It’s the “in” thing at the moment, I guess.

Laura: Yeah, really.

Jamie: But I think it’s good that she’s branching out as well. It would be so easy for her, Rupert, and Dan to be type-cast as Harry Potter people forever. And, I mean, we can’t
tell now if they’re going to be or not, but it’s good that they’re starting doing new things. I think, anyway.

Laura: Yeah, I agree.


Micah Hasn’t Seen Order of the Phoenix


Jamie: Micah, what about the Order of the Phoenix DVD?

Micah: The Order of the Phoenix DVD comes out on November the 12th over there in England. So are you going to be online waiting for it, Jamie?

Jamie: No, because it doesn’t normally come to my computer. [laughs] I’ll be waiting by the door for it, though, maybe.

Micah: Oh. Okay. But are you going to ship a copy over to me since I have not seen Order of the Phoenix yet? And I have to get it over…

Jamie: You haven’t seen it?

Laura: You what?!

Micah: No. [laughs]

Jamie: What’s wrong with you?

Laura: You haven’t – what?

Jamie: You call yourself a Harry Potter fan, Micah. Get out now. Let’s get Andrew back, Laura.

Laura: No, wait. Wait a second. How have you not seen Order of the Phoenix?

Micah: I haven’t seen Order of the Phoenix.

Jamie: Are you kidding? Is this a big joke?

Laura: You didn’t go to your local movie theater to see it?

Micah: [laughs] No, I’m not joking.

Laura: Oh my God, you are such a slacker. Where is Andrew? Come on. Get out, Micah.

Jamie: Micah, that is just – I think we should stop the show, this show, this week in like a moment of just desperation at the fact that you have not seen Movie 5. How long has it been now?

Laura: It’s been out since July.

Jamie: Micah, what do you have to say? [pause] Not much.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Micah: Send me the DVD when it comes out.

Jamie: But doesn’t it come out there as well? How many days afterwards does it come out there?

Micah: About a month.

Jamie: A month?

Micah: It comes out on December 11th.

Jamie: Really? That is pretty poor.

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah.


News Discussion: Order of the Phoenix DVD


Jamie: I’m not too excited about the DVD, though. I like watching it, obviously, but the special features have never ever done it for me.

Laura: Yeah, we kind of talked about this last week, too…

Jamie: We did, yeah.

Laura: …just about how the special features are always kind of kid-ish, and they’re not really geared towards adults, really. They’re not – not even towards twelve year-olds, I would say.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: They’re really geared toward much younger children.

Jamie: Well, the scenes are always good, the deleted scenes, and some interviews. But I’ve just always found them a bit boring, personally.

Laura: Yeah. Some – I personally like watching the interviews of the, you know, the directors and the producers and everything more so than the cast…

Jamie: I agree.

Laura: …because it seems like the cast always says the same
thing over and over. Like, “Everybody’s changing and the movies are getting darker…”

Jamie: Yeah, I know.

Laura: “…and blah, blah, blah.”

Jamie: And, “My character – I think my character has grown and developed a lot in this film. Obviously, she’s had to – she’s had to see completely different things happen to her friends. She’s had to move along in the, you know, maturity levels. But I think it’s really helped her.” It is the same every time, isn’t it?

Laura: Yeah. It really is.

Jamie: You’ve got to say that.

Laura: I mean, not that I’m putting them down for saying that, because…

Jamie: I am.

Laura: …there’s really not much else you can say. Like there comes a point where they just keep asking the same question over and over…

Jamie: Yeah, it is true.

Laura: …and you kind of come up with a generic response, so I don’t hold them at fault for that at all.

Jamie: But I’ve found that’s always, sort of, a side effect of having people interview Harry Potter actors who are just, like, the mainstream media. So people who aren’t Harry Potter related – who don’t know the films well enough to ask specific questions. So they have to ask – you know – movie questions like, “How do you think your character has developed from the first film to this?” Or, “What’s the most important thing you’ve done to prepare yourself for this role?” You know, stuff that isn’t specific to Harry Potter.

Laura: Yeah.


News Discussion: Jim Broadbent Cast as Horace Slughorn


Jamie: But I should make – a piece of very, very exciting news – well, for me personally, anyways, and I hope for everyone else – Jim Broadbent has just been cast as Horace Slughorn. Now, I know Jim Broadband – Jim Broadband! [laughs] That’s an interesting thing, Jim Broadband. He is personally an
extremely fast Internet connection. If you’re ever lost and you’ve got your laptop…

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Jamie: …and you see Jim Broadband – if you just plug it into, like, his leg or something, you will get download speeds that you have never experienced before. But we should try that.

Laura: We should send him to Kevin.

Jamie: Yes, we should, we should! Kevin’s already over it. If anyone’s wondering why he isn’t not on the show, was terrible…

Laura: Or, like, the past fifty shows.

Jamie: Yeah, the last fifty shows.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: His audio is terrible. What happens is, you’ll speak to him and he’ll say something, but instead of just hearing it once you’ll hear it over and over again, like a rapper. I think we found the secret to every single rapper’s success: they just use Kevin’s audio and then it sounds amazing. But not too good for a Harry Potter podcast. So that’s why Kevin isn’t on.

Laura: No.

Jamie: Jim Broadbent. I finally got it right. If anyone has ever seen “Only Fools and Horses,” there was an episode where Del Boy has an arch-rival called Slater, Inspector Slater. He’s a police chief, and Jim Broadbent plays him in that. He’s absolutely awesome. Other roles he has done are Hot Fuzz -very, very funny – Chronicles of Narnia, Bridget Jones’s, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull – not out yet, still filming. What else has he done? Vanity Fair, Around the World in 80 Days Nicholas Nickleby. He’s obviously a pretty, you know…

Laura: Seasoned actor.

Jamie: …seasoned actor. You know – exactly. And, I mean, I’ve spoken to a few people, and they seem extremely excited. What do you guys think? He looks the part, definitely.

Laura: Yeah, I think he does. I can’t that say I know too much about him as an actor. I mean, I’ve seen Narnia, obviously, but I can’t say that I’ve really seen any of the other movies you mentioned.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: But just from the previous history of the adult actors cast in these films, I can’t say that they’ve ever picked somebody who was not perfect.

Jamie: They haven’t, no.

Laura: Ev – I mean, of all of the – Umbridge, Hagrid…

Micah: Michael Gambon.

Laura: …McGonagall – Michael Gambon is awesome, Micah!

Jamie: He is. Yes, he is.

Laura: Get out.

Jamie: Well, of course, Micah wouldn’t know, would he, considering he hasn’t even seen the film.

Laura: Oh yeah, you haven’t seen the fifth movie, Micah.

Micah: [laughs] I’ve seen the other ones he’s been in.

Jamie: Micah – Micah, quick quiz: how many books are there in the Harry Potter series? Do you know? Or…

Laura: Have you missed the last one?

Micah: Seven maybe? I don’t know.

Jamie: Good guess. Good guess, Micah. Very good guess.

Micah: Good guess?

Jamie: Excellent. But yeah, I think he’s going to be absolutely awesome. And – because he’s a very complicated character, Slughorn, and I think it’s going to take some work. I’d be surprised if Broadbent doesn’t read the books before he plays the role, because it is a – it is a kind of role that, you know…

Laura: You kind of do need to read the books.

Jamie: …you need the back story to develop the character…

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: …you know what I mean?

Laura: Yeah, I kind of wonder how much they are going to develop him. Are they really going to go into him, you know, running from the Death Eaters, or hiding from them? Are they – I just wonder how much back story we’re going to get on that.

Jamie: I agree.

Laura: Yeah, I mean…

Jamie: It’s going to be interesting to see how he does.

Micah: Well, I mean…

Laura: Although I think a lot of what they leave in the seventh film now is going to be based on how the series came out. Like, for instance, they’ve kind of screwed themselves now because they left Lily out of the entire “Snape’s Worst Memory” scene in Order of the Phoenix

Jamie: Yes.

Laura: …and then it actually has a huge significance, so I think that they better pay a lot more attention now.


News Discussion: Half-Blood Prince Filming Has Begun


Jamie: I hope they do. I hope they do. Something very, very exciting: Half Blood Prince filming has begun. A bit excited about that?

Laura: Of course. Isn’t that supposed to be November of 2008?

Jamie: Yeah, that is quite a long time. Is that normal for Harry Potter films? How long is the…

Laura: Yeah, it is! Because they switch off. Like one will come out in the summer and then the other one will come out in the fall of the following year.

Jamie: Oh. Oh yeah, of course they do. It is a long time, though. But it’s a long book as well.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: So I wonder how much they’re going to take out and how much they’re going to leave in.

Laura: It’s such a complicated book. You know, I think about Books 6 and 7. It’s Book 7 particularly that I’m worried about with all the information we get. But Book 6, I really wonder how much of, like, the Harry and Dumbledore dynamic they’re actually going to focus on.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: Because that’s so important…

Jamie: It is.

Laura: …and if they don’t give it enough attention, it’s not going to work.

Jamie: Exactly. And Book – sorry, Movie 7 – is then going to not have the back story to back up Harry’s anger at Dumbledore, and, you know…

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: …his anger at Snape and all that. So, I agree with you. Book 6 is like a springboard for Book 7, and if they don’t do it properly, it’s worrying.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Well, did you guys think at all that they could start taking elements of Book 7 and start putting it in Movie 6, just so they don’t have to…

Jamie: Condense a huge book? Yeah.

Micah: …go all out in Movie 7?

Jamie: If they can work it, but that’s pretty risky. I mean, if they do that badly then – and things that don’t match up…

Laura: Yeah. What do you mean by elements? Like actual happenings or just little tidbits, like facts and stuff that we find out in Book 7 that would make more sense in a…

Micah: Yeah, sort of starting to drop facts and things like that. Not taking actual events that took place in Book 7, but maybe start giving us more information in…

Laura: Like about Horcruxes?

Micah: Yeah.

Jamie: Maybe, but I mean, they set that up, kind of, with Voldemort and his – actually, was that line in the movies when he’s like, “I’ve gone further along the path of immortality than any other person,” or was that not in the movies?

Laura: Oh gosh, I don’t think it was.

Jamie: I guess they haven’t…

Laura: I was just thinking about it. Oh my gosh. Yeah, see, the thing is, when – I remember when I first read Book 6, a lot of people were complaining about how Horcruxes weren’t set up. They were just going on about how they weren’t, and it’s like, you go back through the books, and they actually were.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: It was just so subtle. She just did it…

Jamie: Brilliantly done, yeah.

Laura: …so perfectly. Oh my God. But …

Jamie: But then…

Laura: I don’t know how they’re going to do that in the movies. It’s going to kind of – it seems like they’re going to kind of come out of nowhere. It’s going to be kind of like…

Jamie: Well, Movie 2 kind of did it with the – when Harry stabbed the diary, it looked like Riddle was, you know – a part of him was dying, kind of.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: Or perhaps we can just say that now because we know what it was about, but it looks like that now with hindsight. I don’t know if…

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: …it really is like that.

Laura: She just did that so well, because when you’re reading that book at the time, you think that he’s just destroying like – you don’t think of it as a part of Riddle. You think that he’s just destroying something that he’s using to infiltrate Hogwarts, you know?

Jamie: Precisely, yeah.

Laura: Like, you don’t think of it as like an extension of his soul, which is really awesome. Oh my gosh.

Jamie: Oh wait.

Laura: I just get excited thinking about it.

Jamie: I’ve just completely contradicted myself. I think I just said that yes, you do see it as an extension of the soul, but then I’ve just agreed with you. I don’t know. I don’t know, because when you watch it, it looks like he is dying. You know, he comes out, and he screams, and it looks like a part of him is dying. I don’t know if we didn’t know about Horcruxes, perhaps we just think that it’s because, you know, it’s a memory, and the memory’s dying, but…

Laura: Yeah, see, that’s what she excused it as in the book.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: He just called him – what was – and Riddle even called himself a memory.

Jamie: He did. Yeah, yeah.

Laura: So, oh my gosh. It’s so cool.

Jamie: But how can you plan seven books out like that?

Laura: Oh my God. She is amazing. That’s how she does it.


Announcement: The Live Show


Jamie: That is pretty impressive. That is very, very impressive. Okay, let’s move on to some announcements. First of all, thank you to everyone who tuned in for the live show. It was an experiment, a huge experiment. We think it went pretty well with a few minor slip-ups. The audio dropped a bit, and a few people have been complaining that our voices sound like chipmunks on the released one. Have you guys heard that? Because I haven’t checked it yet.

Laura: I haven’t heard it yet, but apparently I sound hilarious, from what I’ve heard.

Jamie: Really?

Laura: Yeah, apparently – apparently you guys all sound like, I don’t know, maybe you’re like alto chipmunks…

Jamie: Oh, right. [laughs]

Laura: …and apparently I’m a second soprano chipmunk.

Jamie: Oh, really?

Laura: So, yeah, that’s what I’ve heard, so it should be interesting to listen to.

Jamie: Well, I’m going to have to listen to that. That actually sounds exciting.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: Not an excuse to complain. We have a piece of feedback from – they didn’t leave their name, but it’s about the live show. They say:

“Okay, I know I’ve been e-mailing a lot of feedback lately, but I really have to tell you how happy I am that you released the rest of the live podcast, and how amazed I am at the quality of everything.”

Apart from the chipmunk voices, I’m sure.

“It’s moving at the perfect pace, the sound quality is great, even though your voices are a little higher than usual, and your choice of conversation is just, again, perfect. This is like
Christmas or something.”

And this is where I think this person might just come from New Jersey, because they say:

“Go Andrew. You have been brilliant thus far, and I freaking love you. I’ve listened to MC since you released the first episode, and I am really very impressed right now. I love this, and I love you guys. Well done. Jessie.”

So that’s very nice.

Micah: Oh thanks, Mrs. Sims, for sending that in.

Jamie: Yes, thank you very much, Mrs. Sims. Extremely kind of you to send in your feedback. Second piece we have is from Cindy Patten, age 30-something, from Columbus. She says:

“I was real excited to find out that you did a twelve-hour show. I like to listen while I work, but when I downloaded the
show, I ended up listening to twelve hours of not much to do with
Harry Potter. It was all about the life and times of the show hosts. I usually love you guys, and if you want to spend hours upon hours talking about yourself, that’s fine, but maybe it should be on a different podcast.”

I would have to agree with that. It did completely lapse into that, but after a few hours, there wasn’t much else we could talk about without, sort of, collapsing, you know.

Laura: Yeah. It’s really a hard thing to kind of – it’s a hard thing to do when you want to do a show that long, because there are people like Cindy, who want to hear about Harry Potter, and then there are other listeners who would rather hear about some other things. They don’t want to…

Jamie: Some stories, yeah.

Laura: Yeah, they don’t want to be bombarded by Harry Potter for twelve hours, so we kind of try to find a happy medium where we discuss Harry Potter for a while, and then we discuss other things for a while, whether they be thing from our personal lives or…

Jamie: Stories we use.

Laura: …we just let people call in and…

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: …yeah.

Jamie: So perhaps we got it slightly wrong this time. But hopefully, when we do two or three hour shows, it’s going to improve a lot more. I think twelve, perhaps, was quite a sort of – start to do for our first big live show.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: But, Cindy, all I can say is, you say it was about the life and times of the show hosts, but thankfully it wasn’t about the life and lies of the show hosts, right, Laura?

Laura: This is true.

Jamie: This is very true. Micah, what do you think about that?

Micah: I missed what you said there.

Jamie: You mean, you weren’t listening?

Micah: No, no. I couldn’t understand what you said. The second half of it.

[Jamie laughs]

Micah: It wasn’t about… [laughs]

Jamie: I said that – she said that it was about the life and times of the show hosts, but thankfully it wasn’t about the life and lies. Because we don’t like NC-17 podcasts, do we, Micah?

Micah: No, we don’t.

[Jamie and Laura laugh]

Jamie: Okay, Andrew has just ordered some new equipment to help make the show better. It’s extremely exciting; he’s absolutely pumped about it. I don’t know much about audio equipment, but it involves something called a mixer, some microphones, and he’s extremely excited. He’s trying to turn his bedroom into a studio-type setting. And this is going to help a lot on live shows, because many of the problems we experienced on that live show were due to trying to pump too much information through Skype, too much through Ustream, and not using appropriate equipment. But hopefully this is going to solve a lot of things, because we’ll be able to play music more effectively, take calls more effectively, and all that kind of stuff. I’m extremely excited about that.

Laura: Yeah, it’s going to be pretty awesome.

Jamie: I still long for the day when we all get our studio, and we all live close by, and we can all fly into it.

Laura: Oh, I know!

Jamie: And…

Laura: We were actually talking about that the other day, how cool it would be if one day we just had a headquarters…

Jamie: Aw, that’d be so cool.

Laura: …and – oh my God. Okay. [laughs] I can’t talk about that, I’ll get excited. But anyway…

Jamie: I was going to say, let’s take a moment to dream about that quickly…

Laura: Yeah. [laughs]

Jamie: …because it’s not going to happen. [laughs]

[Laura laughs]


Announcement: Pickle Pack


Jamie: Pickle Pack is open for one more week. It’s been open for a week already, and after this it will closed permanently until the end of this year when everyone’s subscription runs out. For everyone wondering what you get if you sign up now, because obviously it’s been quite awhile since the first sign-up date, you get all of the Blickles, all of the bonus content since then until now, and you get everything else until the end date. The only thing you don’t get is a badge on your profile, which says, “Original Pickle,” which we devised to – so everyone who signed up before got something on their profile. And you also don’t get a t-shirt. But you get all the bonus stuff. Only one more week to go, and so…

Laura: And you’re not paying thirty dollars this time if you register. You’re paying twenty-five. Is that right?

Jamie: Yes, Laura, you’re absolutely right. Twenty-five. Because you don’t get a t-shirt, we have reduced the price slightly. So you have one more week to go. Please sign up, it’s very, very, very enjoyable.

Laura: Yeah, and for those of you who don’t know, maybe we should explain what Blickles are really quick? For anybody who’s not…

Jamie: That’s a good point, yeah. Blickles are – we have on Pickle Pack seven different segments for each of the show hosts. And one – each show host has one day per week where they post their Blickle. And now, a Blickle is a word that has been created out of a combination of the word “pickle” and – what was the other one? – “blog.”

Laura: Mhm.

Jamie: A Blickle. So it’s a video blog, or a writing blog, every week from the show hosts, which says about what’s happening in their lives, Harry Potter news, discussion, normal news. What has there been? There’s been lip-synching songs, room tours, tours of the places where they live…

Laura: I played Guitar Hero.

Jamie: Laura played Guitar Hero, Andrew and his little brother modeled the Pickle Pack t-shirts. There’s been a whole host of stuff. And there are about a 150 bits of bonus content, I think, on there now. So if you sign up now, you have quite a bit of stuff to get through, with all the new stuff being released as well. We have a new piece every single day. So, one more week to go. We hope you get to sign up if you want to.

Laura: Mhm, absolutely.


Announcement: Ringtones


Jamie: Ringtones. Now, this is Andrew’s baby, but it’s a bit about ringtones. We have a website now where you can get Wizard Rock singles on your phone. You can get – what else can you get? You can get other bits of music from the show. And we hope soon to have the main theme tune on a ringtone. We’ll put a link in the show notes so you can download those and get them on your phone. And then if your phone rings in a place where there are MuggleCast fans, somebody will say, “Oh, wow! I know that! Do you listen to MuggleCast?” “Yeah, I do.” And then you make new friends through shared interests, which is always good, isn’t it, Laura?

Laura: Absolutely. I mean, who wouldn’t want their phone to ring and Andrew’s voice to play? [laughs]

Jamie: Precisely. I can’t think of a single person in this world – I mean, personally, I’d love it. Wouldn’t you?

Laura: Oh, I would, too. I’m going to buy one right after we record.

Jamie: [laughs] Buy one after you record. I’ve already got ten, Laura. Come on, now. Catch up.

Laura: Oh, my God. Fail.

Jamie: I won’t ask Micah, because he hasn’t even seen the fifth film…

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: …so how could he have a ringtone – a Harry Potter ringtone? We go to some rebuttals now.

Micah: Come on! It’s not like I don’t know what happens!

Jamie: Yeah, well…

Laura: No, you don’t. That’s the problem.

Jamie: You do talk about it every week.

Micah: I did read the book.

Jamie: Well done! Your medal is in the post as we speak. Okay, now we go to some rebuttals, but we’re thinking of calling them them a different name because they aren’t all rebuttals. They used to be, but now they’re just bits of mail, stuff that people want to talk about. So we’re thinking of renaming them “Muggle Mail.” What do you guys think?

Laura: Yeah, that sounds fine to me. Muggle Mail.

Micah: Yeah, it’s a cool name.

Jamie: Or we could call them “Micah Hasn’t Seen the Fifth Film Mail.”

Laura: [laughs] I think we should change the name of this show to “Micah Hasn’t Seen the Fifth Film Cast.”

Jamie: I agree, I agree. Get the word out, Micah! You should go and see it now, before we put the show out so you can redeem yourself.

Laura: You’d better see it by the time we record next.

Micah: Or?

Laura: Or you’re in big trouble.


Muggle Mail: Fred’s Death


Jamie: Very big trouble. You’re in deep water. Very, very deep water. Okay, our first piece of Muggle Mail comes from Emily, 20, from Reading, Pennsylvania.

“Hi, MuggleCast. I’m not sure if you’ve already discussed this, but I’m having problems coming to terms with one particular death in ‘Deathly Hallows.’ Why do you think Fred died? I’ve heard several theories, mostly that his death was simply a by-product of the Weasley family being so large, the idea that there is – that there is that the family couldn’t escape some kind of death. But the theory doesn’t make much sense to me. Look at the number of times they’ve been hurt and/or almost died. I really would like to hear your thoughts. Thanks a bunch. This is a great program. Good luck this semester. Emily.”

Laura?

Laura: I think that it’s exactly what you just said. The Weasley family is enormous, and Molly said so herself in the fifth book that it would be a miracle if they all got out of it alive. The chances of them all getting out without dying would be between slim and none. It’s just such a huge family. You’re bound to have some kind of casualty, especially if you’re all fighting.

Jamie: Yeah, exactly. And also, more than that, it’s – Fred and George just seem like that pair that would not be split up, you know? And the humorous side, to me, sort of showed that humor can sort of – when you laugh, you forget the bad stuff that’s happening in the world, which is kind of true, but then his death shows that this war was a serious, serious war. Even people who are so close, powerful, confident people, can also be torn apart. Not in the literal sense, but in the – their affinity can be torn apart. But also, yeah, that their family was so big that somebody had to go. [laughs] That sounds mean, but I think it is true. Micah?

Laura: It’s really sad – go ahead, Micah.

Jamie: No, sorry, go on.

Micah: No, go ahead, Laura.

Laura: I was just going to say that it’s really sad because there was one point, I think in – it was Half-Blood Prince where they had the U-No-Poo sign up in their window…

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: …and Mrs. Weasley was like, “They’ll be murdered in their beds,” or something like that.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: And then Fred dies, and I was just like “No!” It’s so sad.

Jamie: [laughs] I agree. It is sad. And it was an incredibly sad death. And to some people – quite a few people – completely unnecessary. But it’s – there were obviously more deaths that happened in this war that we just didn’t see.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: And people think that if Jo doesn’t write about deaths then they don’t happen. Well, I kind of used to think that, then I realized, but there are other people dying who aren’t significant enough to be written about. They have to be main characters that die or it just completely loses its credibility, if that kind of makes sense.

Laura: Yeah, absolutely.

Jamie: Micah?

Micah: I think in one of the previous episodes I said that I thought one of them – I actually thought both of them were going to die, based off of that whole mention of Molly’s brothers dying in the previous war and them having similar initials.

Laura: Oh yeah, that’s right.

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: But – and I was actually trying look at J.K. Rowling’s chat that she did on the web after the book came out, but I couldn’t find anything related to Fred’s death and why she killed him. I just – I don’t know. I think after what happened in the second chapter, where they’re being chased and George has his ear sliced off…

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: …I just got the feeling that one of them was going to go, because you have all these near-death experiences so far. You go back to what happened in Order of the Phoenix with Arthur, and then George in the beginning of Deathly Hallows, Ginny in Chamber of Secrets, and Ron has a couple of close calls in Deathly Hallows as well. It just – it made sense that one of them was going to go. I mean, even J.K. Rowling was talking about, back in – how – was it Arthur that she spared in Order of the Phoenix?

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: He was supposed to die.

Jamie: But then he didn’t, yeah.

Micah: He ended up not dying. So, unfortunately, one of them…

Jamie: Had to go.

Micah: …had to go.

Jamie: And it just unfortunately happened to be Fred. But it is an extremely sad death, and it hurt quite a few people.

Laura: Yeah, myself included.

Jamie: Really? Aww…

Laura: Well, yeah, you remember me. It was probably the last 75 pages of the book, I was just in tears the whole time. I was like, “No! Oh my God! Why?”

[Jamie laughs]

Micah: It should have been Percy.

Laura: And then Andrew just sat there and laughed at me the whole time.

Jamie: I remember that. That was incredibly funny. I’m not going to lie.

Laura: [laughs] You guys are mean. I don’t like you.

Jamie: No, no. But, Laura, it wasn’t that it was funny that you were crying. It was how you were doing it, which was just genius.

Laura: What do you mean, how I was doing it?

Jamie: Well, you’d read a page, curse pretty badly, burst into tears…

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: …recover, read a page, curse even worse, burst into – exactly. So it was like a repetitive cycle with recoveries in between. And Andrew was making it funnier by going, “Oh, oh!” You know, that kind of stuff.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: It was…

Laura: That’s true.

Jamie: But I tried to act professional and be like, “Well, it’s an emotional time, Andrew. You’ve got to, you know…”

[Laura laughs]

Micah: Were you okay through Dobby, though?

Laura: Yeah, I actually didn’t cry when Dobby died. It was really sad, but I didn’t cry.

Jamie: Aww.

Laura: Like, at that point, I was just like – I don’t know, it was probably like three in the morning or something, and I don’t know. We were all really tired when we were reading.

Micah: Because he’s a House-elf he doesn’t matter as much? Is that what you’re saying?

[Jamie laughs]

Laura: No, it was almost too sad for tears. It was like…

Jamie: Oh, good save, Laura! Good save.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: “Too sad for tears,” ugh! How many times have I heard that one? I think I’m just hard as rock, to be honest, but I only cried for Sirius.

Laura: Oh, really?

Jamie: Oh, wait! Oh, I – okay, well, that’s different when Book 7 came out. That is a completely different circumstance, but only for…

Laura: You made me cry. That was the worst part.

Jamie: Sorry, sorry.

Laura: I was perfectly fine, and then all of a sudden Jamie comes over and hugs me. He’s like, “Laura, this has been our lives!”

[Jamie and Laura laugh]

Laura: And then I just lost it.

Jamie: Aww! I know, that was sad. But Sirius to me was just – he’s probably my favorite liturgy – litratry – can’t say it now – character of all time. He’s just so – and the stuff he – he was so flawed, but so nice at the same time. And I think I just might go and cry now for a bit and then come back and restart the show.

Laura: Aww.


Harry Potter Vibrating Broom


Jamie: Now, following the show schedule that we type up every week, we’re up to number six in it. And that is “Harry Potter vibrating broom.” I know nothing about this.

Laura: Me neither.

Jamie: I think it could be a bit risky to talk about this if I know nothing about it. Laura, do you know anything about it? Or does Micah – do you know anything about it?

Micah: No.

Laura: I don’t know anything about it, and considering…

Jamie: I suggest we skip this and leave it for Andrew next week. Which brings us…

Micah: I think it was a tactic by Andrew…

Jamie: Huh?

Micah: …to throw it in there…

Jamie: I think it could be.

Micah: …to just make us say something completely inappropriate on the show and…

Jamie: Yeah. That probably…

Micah: …see if we actually did it.

Laura: Well, that goes to show what he knows, because we don’t have bad minds on this show. At least, the three of us don’t. We’re not perverted.

MuggleCast 114 Transcript (continued)


Main Discussion: Book 1 and 7 Parallels


Jamie: No, we’re not at all. At all. Which brings us nicely on to our Main Discussion, which is Book 1 and 7 parallels. Laura, do you want to introduce this?

Laura: Yeah. So, as a lot of people – or maybe you don’t remember – but pretty much ever since we started this show, I’ve been going on about how I think that the series is somewhat symmetrical. Like, Books 1 and 7 have a lot in common, 2 and 6, 3 and 5, and then Book 4 is the centerpiece. And so I really felt while I was reading Deathly Hallows that I noticed a lot of things that it did had in common with Book 1.


First Chapters Parallel


Laura: Now, to start us off with some little things, you’ll notice that Chapter 1 in Sorcerer’s Stone doesn’t start from Harry’s point of view, but it starts from the Dursleys’…

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: …and they don’t like him. And Chapter 1 of Deathly Hallows also starts in Snape and Yaxley’s – is it “Yaxley” or “Yakes-ley”? I never knew how to say his name.

Jamie: Yaxley.

Laura: Yaxley. It starts in their point of view, and they don’t [laughs] necessarily like him, either.

[Jamie laughs]

Laura: So I thought that was kind of interesting.

Jamie: That is interesting. I really, really enjoyed the chapters that aren’t from Harry’s point of view. And also in Book 6…

Laura: Oh, I know.

Jamie: …”The Other Minister.” Away from the circular nature of them, they were just awesome the way they were written.

Laura: Yeah. I love seeing things from – like you said, things that aren’t in Harry’s point of view, because you really get, I think, a more rounded view of what…

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: …of the kind of world that Jo is trying to create here.

Jamie: Exactly.

Laura: Because in Harry’s point of view, you kind of always see things through – and not to be funny here, but through his lenses.

Jamie: [laughs] Yeah, you do.

Laura: But he’s kind of like – he’s the kid who has had – he’s the hero who’s had everything pushed off on him. He never wanted to do this.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: The only reason he’s so important is because he was forced to be. And it’s interesting to see the point of views of people who don’t necessarily have that responsibility for us to ponder.

Jamie: Exactly. And also, his narration is not objective, even nearly. He’s a flawed character, which isn’t a bad thing. But obviously, he’s a flawed character, which means we don’t get completely objective views of the world. And I would love, love to read the books from Snape’s point of view or from Voldemort’s point of view.

Laura: Oh my God, yes!

Jamie: Because Harry – it’s nice, but sometimes you get angry at the way he looks at things, because he doesn’t look. He doesn’t look at things perfectly the entire time or objectively, and he rushes into things; whereas I think Snape, to view it from an inquiring mind such as Snape’s, or an unemotional mind such as Voldemort’s would be fascinating.

Laura: Mhm. Especially Snape’s. That’s what I loved about seeing all of his memories at the end of the Deathly Hallows.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: Where we saw – especially the whole scene where Dumbledore sort of implied that Snape cared about Harry…

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: …and Snape was like, “About him?” And he cast the Patronus and it was the doe, and it made Dumbledore cry. I was just – oh my God, that was just so good.

Jamie: That was an amazing scene, yeah. Micah, what do you think?

Micah: I like the comparison between the Dursleys and Snape and Yaxley. Are you trying to say that they are also a dysfunctional family, Laura?

Laura: Maybe. Actually, no.

[Micah laughs]

Laura: What I was trying to say was that it’s from the point of view of two people or two sets of people…

Micah: No, no, I know.

Laura: …who don’t like Harry.

Micah: I was just trying to make a joke.

Laura: The distinction that I was trying to make there was that we have seen other chapters that don’t take place in Harry’s point of view. But the comparison that I drew was that the Minister doesn’t necessarily not like Harry…

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: So that was the distinction I was trying to draw.

Micah: Right.

Laura: Sort of – sorry.

Jamie: No, go on.


Chapter Titles


Laura: Oh, I was going to say, sort of moving on, if you look at the chapter titles in Chapter One of Sorcerer’s Stone it refers to Harry in the title: “The Boy Who Lived.” And then Chapter One of Deathly Hallows refers to Voldemort: “The Dark Lord Ascending.”

Jamie: Yes. See…

Laura: I thought that that was pretty cool.

Jamie: That is interesting. And I thought, again, that was an awesome chapter because the tone was just completely different, because it had a completely different focal point. Harry, even though he can be angry and angsty, creates sort of a light, un-tense sort of feeling in – with everyone. But Voldemort – I mean, I felt nervous when I was reading that…

Laura: Mhm.

Jamie: …chapter. So I don’t know how all his Death Eaters felt being around him knowing that they could be instants from death. And it’s a completely different scenario, because in our world, your mind is free. You can think whatever you like, and thoughts can’t incriminate you because they can’t be read. But when you have an evil psychopath in front of you who can look into your mind, literally, and even though Snape says, “It’s not mind-reading,” to all intents and purposes it seems pretty like it to me. Perhaps I’m as unenlightened as Harry Potter, but if you think things, which he can use against you and use to justify killing you or hurting you, you’re going to be pretty nervous the entire time.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah, I like that because just like what you were just saying with – you get a feeling for what it’s really like to be in his presence. Even somebody who’s as a big of a suck up as Bellatrix, he turns on her and talks about how her family has – I can’t put it the right way, but – I don’t want to use the word “betrayed,” but has just not been pure with Tonks and everything like that.

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: That scene in particular where she starts to talk about Tonks’ marriage to Lupin and things like that.

Laura: Yeah, and that’s…

Micah: You get a feeling for just how nasty of an individual he is.

Laura: And that’s somewhat interesting that you bring up the idea of – in the first chapter of Deathly Hallows, everybody talking about the impurity, or so they believe, of certain family members, to be marrying people who aren’t purebloods.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: You know, you look at Petunia. The second Vernon brings up that her sister is married to a wizard or that she’s a witch, Petunia doesn’t want to talk about it. She kind of shuns the idea; she doesn’t want to believe that they’re related. So I think that’s an interesting correlation.

Micah: See, and I thought that that was the biggest contradiction in the world, because – or she was just – she wanted to be a witch, though, that’s the funny thing about it. She didn’t want to have anything to do with it when she was around Vernon, but in the end she wanted to be at Hogwarts, so I just thought that that was kind of interesting.


Endings at King’s Cross


Jamie: Laura, your point about that both end at King’s Cross, I thought was excellent, because King’s Cross is extremely symbolic as sort of the place where you leave one world and go on to the other. You know, the Muggle world, the magical world. It’s also a symbol of safety, because all of the wizards there and that kind of thing. And also that it is sort of circular, as you say; it starts in one place and sort of ends in the other place, and Harry is happy in both places. Also, it’s because the people in both places are starting a new journey, so in the first book it’s Harry and his friends and in the seventh book it’s Harry’s children and his friends’ children. So it would be very interesting to see how their experiences at Hogwarts pan out, because Harry and his friends’ experiences were sort of experienced under a completely different sun than his children will be. There was a dark shadow over them with Voldemort, and even though everyone thought Voldemort was in hiding, perhaps a hiding threat is a lot worse than one which you can see in the open. So, that time at Hogwarts was, to all intents and purposes, sort of on a downer, kind of, because they had this shadow, whereas his children have more of a free life, and that kind of thing. Micah?

Micah: Yeah, I like the comparison that she drew, sort of as being the barrier between the two worlds, the real world and the magical world. But I also go back to that chapter when he’s with Dumbledore and thinking about how he compares it to King’s Cross, and it also being the barrier between the world – in my opinion – the world of the living and the world of the dead…

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: …and there was such a religious connotation to the whole idea of King’s Cross, I think, throughout the entire series.

Jamie: I agree.


The Mirror of Erised


Laura: That’s interesting. Kind of moving on from that, in the first book in “The Mirror of Erised,” Harry sees himself… [coughs] – excuse me, I got dry throat here – surrounded by a loving family that is – wait – and that’s really how he finds himself in the epilogue of Deathly Hallows. And what I was kind of wondering was, does that mean that he would see himself exactly as he is in the Mirror now? Or has he gone through too much trauma for that to be a possibility?

Jamie: I would say that it would depend on how much closure he’s got on his previous life. If he still feels regret over what’s happened, and if he still longs for his family, then – I mean, obviously, he will always long for his family back, his parents. But if he’s accepted closure, then – then it’s – perhaps he would see himself as he is now, since he – you know, you can’t – if you change history, you don’t know what’s going to happen. So if he – if he longed for his past life, then he wouldn’t know if he’d have his children or if they’d be the same as they are now. So I don’t think someone like Harry would – well, I don’t think he’d take the risk of wanting to wish for something in the past when he’s happy now, and that…

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: …you know.

Laura: Well…

Jamie: What do you think?

Laura: …the impression that I got was that he was surrounded by his family because it was the one thing he’d never had. And then…

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: …at the end of Deathly Hallows we see him with that sort of family dynamic. And I think that he would see himself as he was, because I think that’s what he always wanted.

Jamie: Yeah, I – yeah.

Micah: Would he see anything, though? I mean, essentially, he’s achieved what his greatest desire was. I mean, if you take away the whole family aspect of it with his parents, wouldn’t – hasn’t he really achieved what he wanted more than anything else? I mean, he has a family now with Ginny. He has his two best friends, Ron and Hermione. I don’t know if he would really see anything if he looked in the Mirror.

Laura: Yeah, that’s what we’re saying. Like…

Micah: Because I think he’s achieved – yeah, sorry.

Laura: Like, Dumbledore said that the happiest man on Earth would see himself exactly as he is.

Jamie: But I think that’s a flawed thing of Dumbledore, because I don’t think you can ever be perfectly happy. There’s always going to be something more you want and stuff that happens changes you. So Harry’s family, I’m sure – you know, it’s an incredibly happy circumstance. But I doubt he’s completely happy. There could always be one more thing. Like, perhaps – perhaps, you know, he – perhaps he loves his son so much that he would be happy if his son wasn’t worried about Slytherin. So there’s always one more thing that could make him happier. So I don’t think…

Laura: I don’t…

Jamie: Especially someone like Harry.

Laura: Do you really think the Mirror goes that far, though? Like…

Jamie: Well, I don’t know. That’s what I’m not sure about. If it can sense that type of subtlety.

Laura: I don’t think it really goes that far. I think it kind of goes into, like, fundamental things that you would expect people to want. Like, obviously now we know that Dumbledore’s, you know, was something a bit more important than wanting socks.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: So I think that it really goes into the…

Jamie: Well…

Laura: I think it really goes into the things that you want at the depth of your soul. Like, for instance, Hermione at the time that – before the end of Deathly Hallows, she would have wanted to see herself in the Mirror with Ron.

Jamie: Yes.

Laura: So I think it’s sort of more of a human interest. Not really, like – not really little things, like, oh, I wish that, you know, my son wasn’t worried about this. Or…

Jamie: Or I had a…

Laura: …I…

Jamie: …washboard abdominal muscles.

Laura: Yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: Or I want that new broomstick, you know.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: I don’t think it’s like that.

Micah: Yeah. I think it goes back to what Jamie said, though. How much closure he had on the issue – or on the image that he saw initially. Because it would just seem to me that – when Jo answered what Dumbledore would see if he looked in the Mirror, she said that he would see himself perfectly happy with his family. You know, with his sister alive, with his mother alive.

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: With his father alive. So – and no quarreling going on between him and his brother. So I just don’t know if Harry looked in there, if he would see himself with his parents again. I think that he – especially in that scene in Deathly Hallows, you know, where he’s walking into the forest. I think he put closure on that issue.

Jamie: Yeah, that is true.

Laura: Mhm.

Jamie: Very true. That is – yeah, that’s good.

Laura: That’s very good.

Jamie: And also, there’s a big difference between desire and happiness. Like, I mean, to see yourself with your family is not to see yourself as happy with your family. Do you know what I mean?

Laura and Micah: Oh, that’s true.

Jamie: So like, you know – it’s like a photo. He sees himself in the Mirror of Erised as a photo. But photos can’t reveal that much emotion.

Micah: So really what you’re saying is there’s three knives stuck into their backs, and you can’t see them…

Jamie: Yes, exactly.

Micah: …because they’re facing forward.

Laura: [laughs] Oh my God. Micah.

Jamie: [laughs] Micah, that could not have been more specific on what I was saying.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Laura: That is rather violent. Okay. So note to self: never take a picture with Micah.

Jamie: [laughs] Yeah. You’ll feel the sharp pain in your…

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: In your kidneys at some point.


Ginny and Lily Begging to go to Hogwarts


Laura: So anyway, kind of moving on and still dealing with the family aspect. And this is just a little thing. But in the beginning of Book 1, Ginny was begging Mrs. Weasley if she could go to Hogwarts, whining about how she wants to go, and Mrs. Weasley kind of scolds her and says, “You’re too young.” And then, at the end of Deathly Hallows, little Lily Potter is begging Harry and Ginny if she can go to Hogwarts, and they both tell her that it will be a couple of years. And I just thought that was kind of a cute little correlation, like – Micah?

Micah: Yeah. No, I think that’s interesting.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Now Ginny is begging at the beginning, right, when they first get to King’s Cross?

Laura: Mhm.

Micah: So, I mean, I think there are little things like that that you can certainly make a comparison between.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: I don’t think that, you know, it’s something beyond the reach of Jo necessarily. I think that she’s the type of person that would sort of draw those different parallels between the two books.

Laura: Oh yeah, I think so too. I think she definitely wrote that as kind of a way of bringing the whole story full circle. You know, Harry’s now at the train station with his family and he’s seeing his kids off, which is what he always wanted and he never had. So he’s able to give that to someone else. So I think that’s really good.


Gringotts


Laura: And then kind of moving off of the whole family aspect, we see a lot of Gringotts in Books 1 and 7. It’s mentioned, and we see it – I believe they do go to Gringotts in Chamber of Secrets, but it’s not really described in any great detail. But doesn’t Griphook take – go down with them both times? It was…

Micah: Yeah, I believe it is Griphook that takes them down.

Laura: Yeah, in the first book.

Micah: In the first book Harry and Hagrid go down with him and then, of course, in Deathly Hallows he’s the one that sort of sneaks them in. I’m not going to say that they went with permission, that’s for sure.

Laura: No. I found that idea interesting. I always liked the idea – we were kind of talking about, you know, before the book came out, the idea that whenever Harry, Hagrid, and Griphook were going down that Harry thought he saw a burst of flame, and we were thinking that could be a dragon, and then it turned out to be a dragon, so it was really cool. So I think we’ve pretty much wrapped up all of the little connections. Does anybody else have anything they want to say before we move on?

Jamie: Well, I just wanted to say, kind of unrelated, but I thought the Thief’s Downfall was one of the most awesome things I’ve ever read about in my life.

Laura: Oh God, yes. [sighs]

Jamie: I thought it was absolutely unbelievable. It was so cool.

Laura: I love how everything’s awesome to you, Jamie. [laughs]

Jamie: Well, no, no, no. It’s just like extremely specific things. I mean, for example, the Thief’s Downfall, the dust figure of Dumbledore…

Laura: Oh, that was so cool.

Jamie: …the genie in the enchanted globe. I think Jo writes these things – she has like a notepad and she has two headings, “normal” and “awesome,” and those things are under the “awesome” heading, seriously.

Laura: [laughs] We’ll have to – we should ask her about that.

Jamie: That is what I’d ask her, yeah.

Laura: If we ever run into her. No, I can just see it. Everybody at the reading in October is going to be asking these like, really difficult…

Jamie: In-depth, yeah.

Laura: …convoluted questions, and then Jamie just stands up: “Do you have a notepad in which you label things ‘normal’ and ‘awesome?'” [laughs]

Jamie: I would, I swear, do that if I was there. They’d be like, “Do you think the character of Hermione has sort of underdeveloped in a sort of post-modern chic sense? How awesome was that, Jo?” It would just be like that.

Laura: [laughs] Oh my gosh, I love you, Jamie.

Jamie: You too.

Laura: Aww.

Jamie: Aww.

[Micah laughs]

Laura: So – see, we all love each other on this show.

Micah: No, see, he didn’t say he loved you. He said he loved himself as well.

Jamie: No, I said “you too.”

Micah: Oh.

Jamie: Yes, I love Bono. Oh, he’s so cool.

Laura: Yeah, I was waiting for that.

Jamie: [laughs] Should we move on?

Laura: Yeah. So we kind of had, and I love bringing up things about Snape, because I love Snape, and I think Snape is just, as Jamie would say, awesome.

Jamie: Awesome, yeah he is.

[Jamie and Laura laugh]

Jamie: He’s so cool.

Laura: [imitating a British accent] “Awesome,” as Jamie would say it.

Jamie: Ah-some.


The Men With Two Faces


Laura: It’s not ah-some, it’s awe-some. Aww-some. So, in Sorcerer’s Stone you had Quirrell, who was sort of like our first bad guy. Kind of, you know. He was more of a vessel, though. He wasn’t – he was more evil in the fact that he allowed himself to be used for evil things because he was seeking power.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: And you see him – he’s known as the Man who had – With Two Faces, from the chapter title. And I thought it was interesting that Book 1 sort of had this literal use of a man with two faces, and then in Book 7 we see Snape who has two faces…

Jamie: Who actually has two faces, yeah.

Laura: …in the sense that he was on both sides of the war. So…

Jamie: Actually, that’s so, so interesting, because Harry thinks Snape is the one with two faces, first of all, and then Jo thinks it’s Quirrell, but it’s not Quirrell. It is actually Snape and, you know. Do you know what I mean?

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: So I mean, Harry got it right first of all. I thought Quirrell was a disgusting character. I thought he was – I mean, there’s no problem with being weak, but he was, you know, weak in a bad way. Weak because he needed power to sustain his confidence, that kind of thing. I thought he was an awful character.

Laura: Yeah. Oh, he was. And I just – I hated him because throughout the entire book you kind of felt bad for him because everybody was kind of mean to him, and he stuttered, and he was really weak.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: And then whenever Harry confronts him, he’s like – he loses the stutter and he’s automatically this power-hungry – I hate that guy.

Jamie: Exactly, he was an awful, awful character. But then I guess you would be if you had Voldemort on the back of your head. And how – and you couldn’t sleep on your back because Voldemort would suffocate.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: You’d have to sleep on your side. So you…

Laura: Didn’t we have a debate about this a long time ago?

Jamie: I don’t know.

Laura: I want to say it was like a year ago, about why would you choose to be on the back of someone’s head?

Jamie: I have no idea.

Laura: Like… [laughs]

Jamie: But…

Laura: But where else would you go? Like…

Jamie: You – that is quite true, actually. And – but – I don’t know. I sort of…

Laura: Well, where would you go, Jamie?

Jamie: I would probably go on the chest or something. Because – actually no, no I wouldn’t. I probably would go on the back of their head. But then you can’t see what he’s seeing. So the arguments must be – God, look at that. What? That! But then as soon as one person turns around, the other person can’t see it. So I imagine they argued a lot, Quirrell didn’t get much sleep, because he had to only sleep on his side. I bet Voldemort snored as well, so I’m not surprised Quirrell was a bad person, actually. I forgive him. Do you?

Laura: Well, what I don’t get is why Quirrell didn’t just roll over and smother him in a pillow. Like…

Jamie: That’s what he should’ve done, shouldn’t he?

Laura: God! This whole problem would’ve been completely…

Jamie: These people have no…

Laura: …solved. Oh my gosh!

Jamie: No logical thought at all. It’s disgusting.

Laura: Yeah. So going off of one thing that Jamie mentioned about Snape being evil. You know, Harry thinks that Snape is evil in both books, and then at the end, he finds out that he actually wasn’t, that he was actually trying to help him.

Jamie: Which he doesn’t find out about Quirrell, of course.

Laura: Well, no, no, I’m talking about Snape though. Like, just…

Jamie: No.

Laura: Like at the end of Sorcerer’s Stone, Harry finds out that Snape actually wasn’t the bad guy. And then…

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: …at the end of Deathly Hallows, he finds out that Snape didn’t actually kill Dumbledore, because Voldemort ordered him to, you know.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: And that he was in love with Lily.

Jamie: Aww.

Laura: Aww.

Jamie: I do feel sorry for Snape.

Laura: Oh my God!

Jamie: He is a tragic hero.

Laura: I was reading – I was re-reading that whole thing where Snape – you know, he looked at Harry and he said, “Look at me,” and I was just like – my heart, like, it just – oh my God. [sighs] It just…

Jamie: No, he poured out of him, yeah.

Laura: It just tugged – oh my God. It was so horrible.

Jamie: The thing – but…

Laura: So sad.

Jamie: The thing about the two faces thing, isn’t it kind of ironic? Because doesn’t Jo sort of teach us that everyone has – not two faces in the traditional sense of being nice in one or bad in the other – but she sort of says everyone has skeletons in their closet. Some have bigger ones, some have more of them, but everyone is not typically who they are to everyone. So people act differently in front of friends, family. People have bigger agendas. That isn’t to say that everyone isn’t nice, but…

Micah: Absolutely.

Jamie: You know.

Micah: No, I completely agree with that, though, because you have people at work who just act like complete and utter…

Jamie: Idiots. [laughs]

Micah: …snobs.

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: And they suck up to the boss, and they act completely different around them than they would around any other normal people. So I think that’s – you know, it’s definitely an element in the Harry Potter series, as well. I thought that maybe Harry should’ve gotten a clue that Snape wasn’t…

Jamie: Yes.

Micah: …completely evil. In Book 1 when he saved his life…

Jamie: Yes. Yeah, that is very true.

Micah: But seeing Dumbledore die in front of him, I can kind of understand why he might take a different…

Jamie: The thing that got me, though…

Micah: …feeling towards him.

Jamie: …it’s quite a risk for Dumbledore to take. Because he knows that Harry is – although he’s not the most powerful wizard, he is a very able person. And he could have – considering he can channel his anger and his love more so – he could have killed Snape inadvertently, accidentally, or on purpose. and that could have ruined the entire plans. Because if he’d killed Snape, having not known the memory that Snape had to give him, the entire course of the book would have changed, and I doubt his victory would have been the same, if that makes sense.

Laura: Yeah. I – oh my gosh. I was just – you know, I wondered that at the end of Book 6 whenever Harry said, you know, “If I run into Severus Snape, so much the better for me, so much the worse for him.”

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: I was like, oh crap! He’s going to kill him, and then it’s going to turn out that he was actually good. [laughs]

Jamie: Yeah, exactly.

Laura: So that would’ve been awesome, I think, but awful at the same time.

Jamie: What? See, Laura, I think it would’ve been just awful if Harry had killed…

Laura: [imitating British accent] Awful! It would have been awful, not awesome.

Jamie: …the one person that would save the world. [laughs]

Laura: No, I…

Micah: See, I think that’s interesting, though, because in the entire series, or – sorry, particularly in the seventh book, it seemed as if Harry was building up to cast the Avada Kedavra curse, because there was the Imperius curse…

Jamie: Yes. Yeah.

Micah: …and then there was the Cruciatus curse on – I forget the Death Eater that was attacking McGonagall or being…

Jamie: Alecto.

Micah: Alecto being cruel to McGonagall, and you just thought, okay, this is building up. He’s going to cast this curse at some point in the series…

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: …and then it never ends up happening.

Jamie: Yes.

Laura: I like that he doesn’t have to, though.

Jamie: But perhaps it’s on purpose that he doesn’t. Perhaps if you – I mean, the Cruciatus curse and Imperius curse perhaps can be cast through the feelings of love. But perhaps killing someone, as it’s been told throughout the entire books, it’s a violation of nature. And however many times you cast the Imperius or Cruciatus curse, it won’t ever split your soul in two. It’s only killing the [unintelligible], so perhaps Harry – the point that even though he has anger and he has love, he can’t bring himself to kill anyone using something like that.

Laura: No. All he has to do is say, “Expelliarmus.”

Jamie: Well, exactly, yeah.

[Jamie and Laura laugh]

Jamie: That solves everything. Absolutely everything.

Laura: It solves all of my problems.

Jamie: Me too, me too.


Ambiguity About Dumbledore


Laura: Branching off of that, going away from Snape and focusing on Dumbledore for a minute, we kind of have a lot of ambiguity that we see in Books 1 and 7 about Dumbledore. Actually, in Sorcerer’s Stone, if you guys remember, you don’t see a whole lot of Dumbledore.

Jamie: No, you don’t.

Laura: Harry talks to him on a couple of occasions. He talks to him at the Mirror of Erised and then at the end, and I think that’s pretty much it, isn’t it? There really aren’t any other instances, are there?

Jamie: But – no, there aren’t. Or if there are they’re very sparse. Very brief.

Laura: Yeah, and you just don’t find out a whole lot about him, and you see Harry kind of curious. There’s one point…

Jamie: I think that was part of his plan though. Dumbledore was not a stupid man, obviously, but his plan spans seven books, if that makes sense.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: So he couldn’t have said in Book 1, “Oh, Harry, you have to die,” that kind of stuff. Everything was worked out and he had to gain Harry’s trust. I don’t think it would have worked if they’d just been talking. He had to be the mentor, father figure to Harry for everything to work out, because Harry effectively put blind faith in him and he’d have gone to the ends of the Earth for Dumbledore had Dumbledore wanted to, and I think he needed that for him to trust Snape’s memory. Because how did Harry not know that that memory – although, I guess it’s hard to fake a memory. A wizard as impressive as Snape and as powerful as Snape could possibly have done that on Voldemort’s orders or perhaps there’s dark magic that can do it. So, there had to be serious trust for Harry to do anything that Dumbledore wanted, which I think was characterized by their lack of contact first of all and gradually building up to the crescendo before he died.

Laura: Yeah, I think so too. I really like seeing Dumbledore’s plan come full circle…

Jamie: Definitely.

Laura: …because you look at the end of the first book where Dumbledore lies to Harry when Harry asks him why Snape saved him and he said it was because “he couldn’t bear to be in debt to your father.” And it was actually because he was saving him for Lily.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: And I just – oh my God, it’s so brilliant the way she set it up. I hate to keep…

Jamie: It’s awesome, Laura. [laughs]

Laura: I hate to kiss the ground that she walks on and sound – even though I do – and sound like I’m just a complete suck-up here, but she’s – oh my gosh. I look at all these different parallels that she set up and everything that was set up from the very beginning and it’s so brilliant the way she did it.

Jamie: It is. It is. It is brilliant the way she planned everything. Dumbledore is just – he’s just such an interesting character as he is the tragic hero as well. His life is characterized by negativity and only trying to help others, but he’s flawed in how he does it as well. It’s such – he really is a sad character.

Laura: And when you go back and read Book 1 you don’t really imagine that about him. At all.

Jamie: He’s just awesome then.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: He really is though. It’s just everything – again, I think it’s her showing us that people aren’t who they seem first of all and can and have backgrounds, and there are reasons why people do things. It’s not – people don’t do things illogically. There are reasons why people get upset at certain things because of their background or do certain things because of their background.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: Her books are a wealth, a pool of lessons on life and everything has some type of lesson, I think, personally.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: She really humanized Dumbledore, I think.

Jamie: She really did. Yeah.

Micah: And not that she took away from who he came across as through the first six books, because he was this all powerful wizard that we knew absolutely nothing about. In a way it bothered me the way that she did that in Book 7.

Laura: Really!

Micah: I don’t know why. It’s kind of like you take the man that’s been up on this pedestal for the entire series and then you show that he’s flawed.

Jamie: But, Laura…

Micah: Not that’s there’s anything wrong with that…

Laura: That’s actually Micah, Jamie.

[Micah laughs]

Jamie: No, no, no, but are we going to trust the opinion of someone who hasn’t even seen the fifth film here?

Laura: Oh, right. Yeah. How do you know that there’s not something crucial in the fifth film, Micah?

Jamie: It’s absolutely essential to the…

Laura: You don’t know.

Jamie: …plot of the movies, Micah.

Laura: And the books! And the books too.

Jamie: Exactly. You just don’t know these things. But apart from that, I loved it. I love it when characters are humanized.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: I thought it was brilliant, to be honest.

Laura: I really thought that that was something that needed to be done for Dumbledore because he’s not God or a god-like character. He is a human being, and I think that we started seeing his flaws in Book 5 when he really messed up by not being more up front with Harry. And it caused so much turmoil, and I think that we really began seeing that he was not some kind of supernatural being…

Jamie: Exactly.

Laura: …despite how smart he is or how clever he is. He’s got his own problems.

Jamie: Exactly. And it was a turning point for Harry when he realized that Dumbledore was not invulnerable. Because that was a safety net for him the entire time, you know? When he thought that Dumbledore was there, there was nothing that could touch him, really. Anything. And even though he was worried about the war, there was Dumbledore, and Dumbledore came to save the day, and I think that was characterized in Order of the Phoenix when – even when the Order was fighting Dumbledore down in the Department of Mysteries, there was – something – things could still go wrong and did go wrong, but as soon as Dumbledore came, Neville became more excited. Everyone just relaxed slightly because Dumbledore does save the day and it was so sad to see that that is not the case and Dumbledore has worries and he was terrified about the whole Harry/Voldemort thing, that things wouldn’t work out, you know?

Laura: Yeah, and just kind of looking at this one quote here from Sorcerer’s Stone, it comes after Harry asks Dumbledore what he saw in the Mirror of Erised. It says, “It was only when he was back in bed that it struck Harry that Dumbledore might not have been quite truthful.”

Jamie: Exactly.

Laura: “But then he thought, as he shoved Scabbers off his pillow, it had been quite a personal question.”

Jamie: Exactly. Sorry, go on.

Laura: Just knowing that at that point, Dumbledore was actually – it was actually such a dark thing that he was seeing in the Mirror.

Jamie: Exactly, yeah.

Laura: It was like his family that he wanted. His sister, that we’re not really sure who actually killed her. It might have been Dumbledore.

Jamie: Exactly, yeah.

Laura: I mean, just knowing that he had been friends with Grindelwald, and that he had actually been for the – I don’t want to say persecution – but he was definitely of the opinion that wizards were higher than Muggles at one point in time…

Jamie: He was, yeah. He was, yeah.

Laura: …and just knowing all that about him, you know…

Jamie: But – sorry, go on.

Laura: You see all these conspiracy stories about public officials and stuff, you know – look at what they did when they were young…

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: …and everybody sort of holds that against them, and you wonder how he has gone the whole series without anybody…

Jamie: Finding out, yeah.

Laura: …having that information and finding out about him. He must have terrified…

Jamie: Yeah, absolutely.

Laura: …that someone would have found out about that.

Jamie: But also, I think she was showing two things doing that. She was showing that people cannot be blamed for their situational backgrounds, so you think if we’d been in the same situation, if our sister had been attacked by Muggles, and we hadn’t seen any further attacks from wizards on Muggles in that time, perhaps we also would have some sense of sort of persecution attached to them because they ruined or tore our family apart. But then she also shows that people can change, and that “it’s our choices, Harry,” you know, that make us who we are. So she’s giving two lessons in Dumbledore. Dumbledore is a heap of lessons.

Micah: Actually, Laura…

[Laura laughs.]

Jamie: A dead heap of lessons, but a heap of lessons nonetheless.

Laura: [laughs] Dumbledore is a dead heap of lessons. Let’s make that the title of this episode.

Micah: [laughs] Yeah, there you go.

Jamie: Dead heap of lessons? Nice.

[Laura laughs]

Micah: Laura – but this actually goes back to what you were saying before on the whole book coming from Harry’s perspective. He was never around anybody to hear differently. Nobody’s going to tell that story to Harry about Dumbledore based on the people that he interacts with. You know what I mean?

Laura: Oh yeah, I know, I’m not…

Micah: This is what Jamie was talking about as far as us never really hearing about it through seven entire books. Well, part of the reason is that it’s from Harry’s perspective, and Harry never interacts with the people that we would expect to say anything negative about Dumbledore.

Laura: Well, what – something that – what I was kind of referring to was the idea that especially whenever The Daily Prophet was out trying to dig up everything they could on Dumbledore, it’s somewhat surprising that you didn’t really hear about his – anything that he did when he was younger. Like, you would think that that would be the
sort of thing that they were out to try and find on him.

Jamie: Yeah, definitely, because it was like politicians ruining it, saying – completely undermining the person. Undermining their sort of beliefs and opinions to completely undermine their opinions on the current situation, if that makes sense. I’m surprised they didn’t as well, but perhaps they thought even that was beneath them. But not Rita Skeeter.

[Jamie and Laura laugh]

Laura: No.

Micah: I think it was because Jo decided to be better in Book 7. You know, guys? I mean, come on.

Laura: Yeah, probably.

Jamie: Yeah, that is true. She said to Fudge, “Look, okay, I’m planning it for Book 7.”

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: “Do not put it in The Daily Prophet now because it won’t be fair.”

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: And then he said, “Oh, but, Jo,” and then she said, “Look, I’ll buy you a new hat,” and then he gave in.

[Laura laughs]

Micah: or “I’ll kill you.”

Jamie: Yeah, or “I’ll kill you.”

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Jamie: One of the two. Okay, should we move on?


Anchors to Life


Laura: Yeah. And then the last thing we have on our list here is the idea of anchors to life that you see as a huge theme in these two books. We definitely know throughout the whole series Voldemort wants to be immortal, but you really see the largest presence of them in Books 1 and 7 because with Book 1 you have the idea of the Philosopher’s or the Sorcerer’s Stone, the Elixir of Life, which Voldemort is trying to get. And ten in Book 7 you have the Horcruxes and the destruction of them, and we really find out a lot about the Horcruxes in Book 7. I mean, we discover their presence in Book 6, but we really delve deep into what they are in Book 7.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: One of the really striking images that I’m kind of reminded of by this whole idea is in Book 1 when Harry’s in the forest and he finds the dead unicorn.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: And it’s like Voldemort has killed a very pure symbol of life.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: And it’s such a striking visual. Like, you never really – and they even did that very well in the movie, like the way they set that whole scene up. It was really quite well done. Do you guys remember it?

Jamie: Yes, I do. I also thought it was awesome. For those reasons, and also because it just showed that innocence is not completely protected from evil, and that was sort of – even though the books got progressively darker and there were other turning points, that was a kind of – no one’s safe. This person is an absolute psychopath. He will do everything…

[Micah laughs]

Jamie: …he can.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: And it also established that he – death was his greatest fear.

Laura: Yeah, definitely.

Jamie: And also, the whole anchors to life thing is again another thing from Jo that the – that says, you know, you need to live in the present. You mustn’t try and attain immortality because you’ll forget how to live now. And you shouldn’t be scared of death and all that kind of thing. Again, it’s another lesson.

Laura: Yeah, I mean, look at Voldemort, who – he spent his whole life trying to avoid death so by the time it came, he never actually achieved anything.

Jamie: Exactly, yeah.

Micah: Because…

Laura: What were you going to say, Micah?

Micah: Oh, I was just going to say, I like the whole comparison as well to – in Book 1, Harry isn’t in a race against Voldemort, really, because he thinks he’s trying – well, Snape and later Voldemort – to get to the Sorcerer’s Stone, and Harry’s sort of in a race against time with him, and same thing really in Book 7; he’s in a race to destroy the Horcruxes before Voldemort gets there as well, and
starts to realize…

Laura: Yeah, I didn’t think of that. That’s very good.

Jamie: That is interesting. Very interesting.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: I – but – the – also, the entire Horcruxes/Hallows thing was just – even though Harry was like Horcruxes versus Hallows, both were evil in…

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: …essence, because both were trying to prolong something that shouldn’t be prolonged.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: So like, the Horcruxes were saying you shouldn’t tear your Earthly soul apart to try and prolong your life indefinitely. The Hallows were like – the Stone was like, you shouldn’t try to bring people back when they’ve moved on, you need closure. The Wand was that you shouldn’t ask for power because it comes with the responsibility, and if
you can’t handle that then you shouldn’t be trying to get in in the first place, which is what Dumbledore realizes. And the Cloak, I felt, was that you shouldn’t hide yourself, and you should act for who you are and you shouldn’t try. And I
mean, obviously, that Cloak is…

Laura: Is awesome.

Jamie: Harry needed it, and he – if he didn’t have it, he probably would have been dead eight pages into Book 1, but…

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: …again, it teaches a valuable lesson, I thought.

Laura: Yeah. I never really thought of it that way, Jamie. I really like that. [laughs]

Jamie: Thank you, Laura.

Laura: [with British accent] It’s awesome.

Jamie: [with American accent] Awesome.

Laura: [laughs] All right, does anybody else have any other thoughts on that?

Micah: I shared my thoughts already.

Laura and Jamie: Okay.


Dueling Club


Jamie: Well, should we move on to…

Laura: Yep.

Jamie: … A Dueling Club this week. Now… [laughs] …I got an e-mail a while ago that said: “Harry Potter could kick Optimus Prime’s…” and then an
expletive.

Laura: Oh, wow.

Jamie: What do you think about that? Harry Potter and Optimus Prime.

Laura: Hmm. Well, I just saw Transformers for the first time the other night. Ah, gosh.

Micah: Oh, you mean you didn’t see it in theater?

[Jamie laughs]

Laura: Well, seeing as I don’t participate on a podcast…

[Jamie laughs]

Laura: …about Transformers, no.

Jamie: Touché!

Laura: I would say that Prime’s biggest weakness is that you can just jam something…

[Jamie laughs]

Laura: …into his chest and he dies! Like, I mean…

Jamie: That is quite a weakness.

Laura: I mean, seeing as Harry managed to stab a sword through a Basilisk’s head, I think that he could take that cube of power and just jam it in to Prime’s chest and he’d be done for.

Jamie: That is true. But I just – I mean, Harry’s magic I don’t think is that advanced, really. I mean, if we’d – if…

Laura: Okay, Shia LaBeouf did it.

Jamie: Yes. That is true.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: However, he was an actor in that film, Laura, and he was supposed to do that. Oh, wait! Or did he actually kill Optimus Prime?

Laura: No, no. He killed the other guy. But he could have killed…

Jamie: Wow!

Laura: …Optimus Prime.

Jamie: See, I think that if it was Voldemort or Dumbledore against Optimus Prime, we wouldn’t even be talking about it because it would be obvious. Or Snape as well! But…

Laura: Or Chuck Norris.

Jamie: Huh? Well, Laura…

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: …if you try and think about that, you will suffer a round-house kick related death. It’s not even worth it, trust me.

[Micah laughs]

Laura: You’ve been telling me this for two weeks and I have yet to suffer that.

Jamie: Do you know why that is? Because you’ve been
expecting it. The minute – the minute you go into sort of self comfort zones, then you might as well just give up. You might as well round-house kick yourself because you’re going to save yourself a lot of pain and anger. Because Chuck – Chuck doesn’t understand pain and anger, he just – he just understands death. Twice.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: So Harry and Optimus Prime. Micah, what do you think?

Micah: Are we talking about Harry at the end of Book 7 before the epilogue or post-epilogue? Or post-last chapter?

Jamie: Both!

Micah: Eh. [sighs] Oh boy. I hate the Dueling Club. So does Optimus get a wand?

Jamie: Well, he doesn’t have blood or any through his veins…

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: … and you’ve got to have magical blood, and he’d probably just eat it or something, or…

[Micah laughs]

Jamie: …snap it. I don’t know if he could wield a wand.

Laura: Yeah. I don’t think he has a wand.

Micah: What if Harry conjured a Patronus? Do you think that would scare him off?

Jamie: No.

Micah: He’d eat the stag too.

Laura: Probably not. No, I think that…

[Jamie and Laura laugh]

Jamie: Yeah exactly. He’d be hungry. What about the Terminator and Harry?

Micah: Oh, forget it. Hasta la vista, Harry.

[Everyone laughs]

Jamie: Yeah, I agree. I agree completely.

Laura: I agree with that.

Jamie: I mean, Harry would try and be like, “But I’ve lived a great life. Expelliarmus, Expelliarmus, Expelliarmus…”

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Jamie: …and he’d just be like – he’d just grab him
by the throat and be like, “I am not amused.” And then he’d just strangle him or something and then Harry Potter would be no more. So Harry Potter should not pick a fight with Arnold Schwarzenegger. There would not be a chance in a million years. However, Dumbledore versus the Terminator. I think Dumbledore would succeed in making him cry because he isn’t a human, and then he’d sort of trick him and strangle him or something.

Laura: Oh my gosh. Wow, that’s deep, Jamie.


Make the Connection


Jamie: Thank you. Okay, now we’re going to do a couple of Make the Connections. We only have two this week since we are only three. Laura, yours is you have to make a connection between Harry Potter and buying a 250 gigabyte external hard drive, bringing it home, plugging it in, and then finding out it doesn’t work.

Laura: Okay. Gosh. I guess that would sort of be along the lines of people who went out and bought their 800-page copies of Book 7 and had pages upside down and pages
that were missing because then they couldn’t get the full use of it…?

Jamie: Yes. Yes! That’s not bad at all, not bad at all. That was very good, Laura, and I liked it because it was done on sort of theoretical stuff. See, I think you can
either do it on specific stuff, so Harry Potter or Hermione or Snape or something like that, or you can do it on sort of the Harry Potter book series as a whole, and I
liked that since it linked the entire series with buying a hard disk and finding out it didn’t work. Okay, Micah, yours is – this is quite a tough one. Harry Potter and buying a horse, blinking, and then finding out it’s turned into a bottle of Arizona Iced Tea.

Micah: Wow. Is it a specific flavor?

Jamie: Well, I think that’s up to you; you’re the master of this universe, sir.


Tangent: Jamie Saw an “Emo” at the Zoo


Jamie: While Micah’s thinking about that, there’s a story I wanted to tell. This is the story I
want to tell. I went to a zoo a couple of weeks ago, all right? And I was with a few friends, this is a big zoo, so we’re going around and we came to the part where you
can feed the animals. So we bought a couple of packs of food things, and we saw a shire horse which was so cute, we went past some pigs, past some sheep, fed them, and then we came to the emu enclosure, but they had misspelled emu and instead of saying emu it said “emo.”

Laura: [laughs] Are you serious?

Jamie: Yes, absolutely 100% serious. So I was expecting it to sit in the corner and be listening to Panic! with like a black T-shirt on and its hair was right over its eyes going, “Woe is me, I can’t believe I’m an emo.” But that didn’t happen. But yes, it actually said “emo.” I could not believe it.

Laura: Oh, that’s brilliant.

Jamie: I might go back and see if it’s still alive or if it’s killed itself out of sheer emotional distress.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: Or something like that. I wonder if it has a MySpace. I should’ve asked it. Micah, any progress on
the Arizona Iced Tea?

Micah: No, not really. Try to give me until the end of the show. Let’s see if I can…


Contact Information


Jamie: Okay, guys that brings us to the end of MuggleCast Episode 1-1-4. We are just about to hear Micah’s answer to his Make the Connection. But before we do that, if you would like to phone in and you’re in the U.S. please call 1-218-20-MAGIC, if you’re in the U.K. 020-8144-0677, if you’re in Australia 028-003-5668.

[Show music begins]

Jamie: Or you can Skype the username MuggleCast. Please eliminate as much background noise as possible and keep your message under 30 seconds. Please also vote for us on Podcast Alley. We have so many community outlets. We’ve got Flickr, MySpace, Photobucket, YouTube, Facebook, all of these. Please come in and join our groups and vote for us in every single place you can. Thank you very much and, Micah, let’s go to your Make the Connection.


Back to Make the Connection


Micah: All right, so did you just want to repeat it for everyone so they know what I’m…

Jamie: Yes, I will. Micah, your connection was between Harry Potter and buying a horse, blinking, and then it’s turned into a bottle of Arizona Iced Tea, flavor of
your choice.

Micah: Okay, first of all, that’s like purchasing an animal, right? And then it becoming an inanimate object, correct? You could view it that way, so just like what you’re saying with the horse and the iced tea, it’s the same thing with Harry when he buys Hedwig and then in Book 7 he blinks and it becomes an inanimate object.

[Everyone laughs]


Show Close


Jamie: Micah, that is superb. That is absolutely superb. I am very, very, very impressed. Excellent stuff! I hope everyone isn’t too gasping at that final thing with Micah. That is the best Make the Connection I think I have ever heard. I’d take my hat off to you, Micah, if I was wearing one. On that note, I’m Jamie Lawrence.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: And I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Jamie: [imitating Andrew’s] And I’m Andrew Sims! Whoa! I’ve come back for the end of the show.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: [imitating Andrew] It’s good to see everyone. Okay, we’ll see you later! Bye bye!

[Show music ends]


Eric’s Preliminary Announcement


Eric: G’day Aussies! That’s right, calling all Australian MuggleCast listeners. Yes, that’s right, we mean you! It’s Eric here, and I’m here to announce something supremely preliminary and not yet official. I had an idea for an event that might be taking place in Melbourne or Sydney, Australia, the weekend of the 12th of October, 2007. Either that Friday or Saturday night I had the idea to do something possibly because I might be in the area. I don’t know where this event is being held, I don’t know what the event will actually be; suffice to say I will be the only MuggleCaster
in attendance.

It certainly won’t be a full panel live podcast, but it is, however, something specifically Australian that would play to all of our MuggleCast fans in
the area. Could be a question and answer session, could be something else entirely, just a fan meet up, we don’t know. But this message is important because I’m trying to find out how many of you Australian listeners could possibly or
potentially make it to the event.

This is extremely short notice as the 12th of October is only three weeks away. Therefore, what we need from you is for you to send an e-mail to us, letting us know if you might be able to make it. The address is mugglecastoz at gmail dot com. That’s M-U-G-G-L-E-C-A-S-T “oz” – o-zed – “oz” – o-zed. Okay,
so mugglecastoz at gmail dot com. Once again mugglecastoz at gmail dot com. MuggleCast and then
o-zed. Okay? All we would need to know is if you would potentially be free on the weekend of the 12th of October, could be that Friday or Saturday, I’m not sure yet. But if you would be available that weekend to come to Melbourne or Sydney and chill with MuggleCast fans. Once we know how many people can make it – and if some can we’re going to try to set something up. There can be no guarantee yet, but there will be soon. We’re all moving quite fast to make this event very planned.

Also, please make a point to check MuggleCast.com for all updates. There is likely to be an update during the following week. Thank you very much, everybody. Cheers!


Blooper


Laura: Okay, so…

Jamie: I have to go for a piss very quickly. Do you want to carry on and I’ll just catch up, okay?

Laura: Okay, yeah, that’s fine. So… [laughs]

Micah: Can we leave that in?

Laura: Yeah, I think we should.

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