Transcript #267

MuggleCast 267 Transcript


Show Intro


[“Hedwig’s Theme” plays]

Andrew: Because J.K. Rowling has a surprise for us that has made us gone cuckoo, this is MuggleCast Episode 267 for July 14th, 2013.

[Show music begins]

Andrew: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 267. This is a special episode. Don’t worry, this isn’t going to count towards the final two. We decided that we would record a special episode because J.K. Rowling shocked the world on Saturday afternoon when she revealed…

Eric: Aunt Marge is gay.

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: Yes, finally! I’ve waited for so long.

Eric: [unintelligible]

Selina: Nice.

Andrew: My Pottermore hopes and dreams have come true, and we’re here to analyze what it could mean for the future of Aunt Marge. No, J.K. Rowling revealed a new book, The Cuckoo’s Calling. But even more shocking, it’s been available in bookstores since late April.

[Eric laughs]

Selina: I know. [laughs]

Andrew: She released it under a pseudonym, Robert Galbraith. Take that everyone who doubted my pronunciation. On Hypable, the people, were already… they were like, “I can’t wait to see how Andrew pronounces it.”

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I’m like, “Excuse me! Excuse me!”

Selina: I think it’s [pronounces as “Gal-bryth”] Galbraith or something. Galbraith? Something Irish.

Andrew: Maybe.

Eric: I would say [pronounces as “Gal-brith”] Galbraith.

Selina: [switches between pronouncing “Gal-brith” and “Gal-bryth”] Galbraith? Galbraith? Galbraith?

Eric: I would not say any of the “eyth” and the “ooth” and the…

Selina: No, I don’t know where that’s coming from.

Andrew: Well, since this person doesn’t exist, neither does a proper pronunciation.

Selina: Fair enough.

Eric: Oh!

Andrew: So everybody can say it how they want.

Micah: Nice!

Eric: Everyone’s a winner!

Micah: That was very well done.


Initial Reactions to J.K. Rowling Revealed As Author of The Cuckoo’s Calling


Andrew: [laughs] So there’s a lot to talk about. Everybody is very excited. It’s been an exciting 24 hours as we all kind of learn tidbits about this book. How about… let’s talk about initial reactions first. Micah, you had one of my favorite tweets yesterday.

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: What went through your mind? Did you believe it at first?

Micah: Did I believe it?

Andrew: Believe that she actually released a book two and a half months ago and we didn’t even know it.

Micah: Sure.

[Selina laughs]

Micah: Why not? I think the reaction you’re referring to is that I said, I don’t follow J.K. Rowling on Twitter yet I still found out that she released a new book. And…

Selina: I don’t follow her either. Isn’t it terrible?

Andrew: Oh.

Micah: Yes! Selina!

Selina: [laughs] I know.

Micah: See? There’s two hosts for you. But I was just… it’s pleasantly surprising that she did this and the book has been out, as you said, since April and nobody really caught onto it until, I guess, this writer at The Sunday Times decided to do a little bit of digging. But what surprises me… and I don’t really know the track record for this, but she decided to use this pseudonym which is a male as opposed to doing it as a female, and I just wondered the reasoning behind that. Normally, I would think that your pseudonym would be specific to your gender, but I guess it doesn’t have to be.

[Andrew laughs]

Selina: Oh no, it hardly ever is, actually.

Eric: I would think it would be potentially…

Micah: Is it really?

Eric: Yeah. I would think that it would be intentionally misleading.

Andrew: And some people are laughing because she’s already gone by a male name before: J.K. Rowling.

Eric: Right.

Andrew: And now she’s doing it again. [laughs]

Eric: Right, which is… yeah, because J.K. is the more masculine version. It could be either way.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: Eric and Selina, were either of you shocked? I was shocked.

Eric: Yeah. I mean…

Selina: Well…

Eric: …at first I didn’t believe it, and there were people on Twitter I was following… basically it was during my job, I was out at work when I first saw the first tweets, and I read Hypable’s article because you had that up lightning speed. And at first I wasn’t sure if it was true or if… because who can say, right? If it’s really, really true. I don’t know if the statement from Jo was there yet, but at first we were just thinking, what if this is a really good marketing campaign by Robert Galbraith and his people who are getting this out there? It just… it felt like it needed more traction.

Micah: Substance?

Eric: And then it… but within 15 minutes, it had that traction. Everybody was saying, “Oh my God. This is it.”

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And it was just so absurd that she would do this, but at the same time, so…

Andrew: So Jo.

Eric: It was so Jo. It made sense…

Selina: It was just so Jo, guys. [laughs]

Eric: When we later got the statement from her, it made… it was like, oh yeah, that makes sense. But it was rewarding to be able to actually just… I diverted myself. I drove a mile out of my way just to a Barnes and Noble… actually, I didn’t drive out of my way. It was at the opposite end of the parking lot I was in, and went to Barnes and Noble and picked up two copies.

Micah: That’s a very far drive for you.

Andrew: Yeah. Wow, some fan you are.

Selina: How hard for you.

Eric: It’s a pretty big parking lot in Skokie. But anyway, I drove right across the street to Barnes and Noble and got two copies. They were already in stores.

Selina: Why did you get two?

Eric: One for my girlfriend.

Selina: Oh, okay.

Eric: But this is the greatest thing of all, about this reveal, is that the book… that we didn’t have to wait for it.

Andrew: Right, right.

Eric: Instant gratification. Especially to ebook readers, ebook reader owners.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Or anybody with the apps. It’s available right now.

Andrew: Yeah, which is so exciting. When I first found… I first found out about it when somebody just at-replied the Hypable Twitter with just a link, no text, just a link. And I saw it was The Telegraph and I was like, “Hmm, that’s interesting.”

Eric: Usually, that’s spam. [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] Right, right.

Eric: Usually that’s like a “Grow your…” you know.

Andrew: Right, but it was going to The Telegraph so I clicked it, and the statement was there from the beginning because, as we’ll get into in a minute, The Sunday Times had reached out to J.K. Rowling’s people and she decided to issue a statement. So after I wrote up the article and did a couple of things, of course everybody was really excited. I booked it to my local Barnes and Noble, but I couldn’t find it and I even went up to somebody at the desk and I said, “Help me find it.” They were like, “Yeah, you know, we got four copies in stock. It says we have four copies here.” So they helped me look and it just could not be found. And he just turned to me at one point and was just like, “Yeah, I guess we have four copies that are lost.” I’m like, “Okay, great, bye.”

[Eric laughs]

Selina: Wow.

Andrew: So, I was bummed…

Micah: Or four copies that sold before you got there.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s what I was also thinking, but I don’t think their computers would reflect that they’re in. Anyway, luckily my friends, John and Bre – John who you may know from Leaky – he is closer to a Barnes and Noble down near Santa Monica, so they also booked it over to the bookstore and purchased all four available copies.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Selina: Like hoarding J.K. Rowling books. It’s crazy.

Andrew: I know. Well, they’re…

Micah: You know what I’m thinking, Andrew?

Andrew: What?

Micah: I’m thinking that clerk that you went to put those in reserve for himself and kept them in the back room.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Maybe.

Selina: I bet. And sold them for a hundred dollars.

Eric: I have a story about this. I have a story about this, guys. So my Barnes and Noble that I went to, the one in Skokie, there were four in inventory.

Andrew: See? See?

Eric: Which is weird. I’m sensing a recurring thing here.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Basically, by the time I got there, it was maybe forty five minutes after the news broke, and I asked the woman. I asked her, “Hey, so Cuckoo’s Calling, new crime thriller.” She’s like, “Okay, it’s right over here.” She led me right to it and that was because she had just put it on hold for somebody who called in.

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: So she put one copy on hold, so she knew exactly where it was but didn’t necessarily know anything further, right? So she led me right to it and she picked it up off the shelf and gave it to me and I was like, “Okay. You know that the word on the street is that this is the new J.K. Rowling book.” And her eyes went really wide, and she’s like, “Really?” And I’m like, “Yes.” I didn’t say, “Oh yeah, I’ve heard this thing.” I just said, “The Internet says this is what happened.”

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: So I was like, “So I’ll take two.”

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Eric: Because I knew… because my girlfriend didn’t have any luck down in the city Barnes and Noble, which is also a university bookstore so they weren’t as well stocked. But I grabbed two, meaning there was one left on the shelf, and I started walking the other way after I said, “Okay, I’ll take two.” I grabbed them and I was walking to the cashier. And the woman said, “Well, maybe I’ll take this last copy for myself.”

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, I would have.

Selina: See? Don’t you think that’s so interesting though, and kind of nice, that even now, so many years after Harry Potter and after The Casual Vacancy – which was a lukewarm success at best – you hear new J.K. Rowling book, everybody books it to the bookstore. No pun intended.

Eric: Everybody.

Andrew: Right.

Selina: Everybody.

Andrew: And like Eric…

Selina: And it’s like you guys are hoarding the books. That’s the thing. It’s like you have to have this because it’s J.K. Rowling’s book, you know?

Andrew: And like Eric pointed out, the thrill yesterday was that it was already… it was immediately available.

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: So it was like a little treasure hunt going… that’s how it felt to me.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I wanted so bad to just go up to it and actually see it sitting there on the shelf. I was bummed that I didn’t get that experience like Eric and other people did.

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: But you know what? I don’t know about you, Andrew, but whenever I heard this, I wasn’t surprised at all that she would have released this under a pseudonym because we’ve sort of been speculating this for a while. But I was a little bit disappointed because this probably means she didn’t write Queen of the Tearling. [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] Right. We spoke about Queen of

Selina: And I really liked that theory.

Andrew: Yeah. We spoke about that on one of the more recent episodes of MuggleCast and over on Hype. And you know what? I’ve done some further digging about that, looking up who owns the domain name, and it looks to be an actual person. So…

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: Oh, bummer.

Andrew: Yeah, I know.

Selina: But I think it’s also just because I kind of feel like, for me, I was hoping… and I didn’t think she would, but I was sort of hoping against hope that she would write another fantasy.

Andrew: Mhm.

Selina: So…

Micah: She may still.

Andrew: This is all adding up though now because it’s been six years now since Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows and it’s like, what the heck has she been doing?

Eric: Yeah.

[Selina laughs]

Eric: I mean, she got a Twitter, it’s got two and a half million followers. She doesn’t use it…

Selina: She doesn’t have tweets.

Eric: Yeah.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: She doesn’t use it. It’s the weirdest thing. It’s like she’s there but she’s not, these past six years. She’s been there but she’s not. And this is another fruit of that labor that we didn’t know existed.

Micah and Selina: Yeah.

Micah: I remember specifically, though… I think I found out once there was enough evidence to support the fact that it was true. So it wasn’t one of those things where I was waiting, waiting, waiting to see was it actually legitimate that she had put this book out. But I have not gone out and got the book yet. I’m still waiting. I might try tomorrow at work…

Andrew: Uh oh.

Eric: Uh oh.

Micah: …on lunch hour to go to the Barnes and Noble a couple of blocks away and see if it’s available.

Andrew: You’re probably too late.

Micah: I’m probably am at this point.

Selina: Get it on ebook like I did!

Eric: You’re in a pretty dense…

Micah: I don’t like ebooks.

Eric: Oh, ebooks.

Selina: Yeah, I don’t either. [laughs]

Micah: I like the actual book itself.

Selina: Yeah.

Micah: And that might be weird, but so be it.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: You know what? I actually… I have switched to only ebooks but the fact that it’s a J.K. Rowling book, I want to have a physical copy. It’s just nice.

Selina: I just got so scarred by Casual Vacancy. I mean, she sort of…

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: It tainted it forever. I’m looking right now at my massive cover of The Casual Vacancy which cost me like three hundred… not three hundred, thirty pounds.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: [laughs] It wasn’t that expensive. It’s golden and… but I mean… and I’m just thinking, “You know what? That was a waste of money.” [laughs]

Eric: I’m staring at the other end of my room where my bookshelf is and there’s The Casual Vacancy, sure enough. It’s the one signed by J.K.R. Right next to it is the one that’s not signed by J.K.R that I paid thirty dollars for.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: And I haven’t finished it. They’re just both over there and they’re bookends on my bookshelf, so… you know, it is a cautionary lesson here, where just because… like on name alone… and this is the weirdest thing about what happened yesterday… maybe that would be a good title for this episode: What happened yesterday.

[Selina laughs]

Eric: But it’s the weirdest thing because no matter how or where we were or what we were doing… like I was in the middle of an eleven-hour workday, okay? The last thing on my mind was J.K. Rowling and Harry Potter. But when I started seeing those tweets coming in, about a new J.K. Rowling book, and once it was like, oh my God, this is happening, and it set in, me and everybody else started tweeting, “On our way,” “Got to do this,” tweeting photos, book-in-hand photos.

Andrew: Right.

Selina: See, yeah…

Eric: …People were like, “I’m in the middle of a monsoon. I’m getting the Harry Potter book.”

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: So…

Selina: Now, here’s your tagline for the show. I mean, the fandom, everyone saw that J.K. Rowling had a new book out. They all went cuckoo! Ha ha ha.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Ah, cuckoo for Cuckoo!

Selina: Exactly.

Micah: Or Coco Pops.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: It’s just the weirdest… I wanted to tweet, but I didn’t want to get shat on by people. Are we suddenly forgetting The Casual Vacancy here, people?

Micah: That’s my question, because…

Eric: Like name alone… because it’s been months and I still have no interest to pick that book up. I read half of it. I read exactly half of it and stopped and never picked it up again. And are we just forgetting? Are we just like, “Okay, we’re going to go get the new J.K. Rowling book…” it’s such loyalty to Jo, but at the same time there’s absolutely no guarantee whatsoever that we’re going to like it. It’s, again, a different genre than what we’re used to.

Selina: It’s just a question of the fact that we had Casual Vacancy, some people loved it but some people didn’t. But at the end of the day I think the fandom, the Harry Potter fandom as a whole, are still J.K. Rowling fans. They’re fans of the franchise that is J.K. Rowling. And the question is just… I mean, this is going to be the book that I think decides. If people generally love this book, yeah, they’re going to pick up whatever she writes next.

Andrew: Mhm.

Selina: But if this kind of turns up being another Casual Vacancy I don’t think that people are going to rush out to stores the next time she releases something.

Eric: It’s weird because initial plot summaries, everything that I’ve read so far about the book makes it seem like Cuckoo’s Calling is going to be a really fun crime drama novel, and I wonder why she didn’t choose that one for her next book and publish Casual Vacancy under a pseudonym.

Andrew: Yeah, she should have.

Eric: Not that the lesser book has to… I’m not trying to somehow shovel The Casual

Selina: Not that it wasn’t a good book, but it just wasn’t…

Eric: It’s obviously very personal for Jo, and it was a hell of an undertaking to do it, and it portrays a dark corner of humanity that isn’t comfortable. Maybe it was important or good that that book be under her name. But it’s just so weird because this… my hopes are way up for this book because it seems to be… again, it’s a little political but it’s mostly about a detective. And those novels are always so much fun to read. Always.

Andrew: The other thing I like about The Cuckoo’s Calling and why I wanted a physical copy is because it’s summertime.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I mean, the last time we got a new book during the summer from J.K. Rowling was Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. And the Harry Potter book releases were always traditionally summer releases, so it kind of harkens back to those Harry Potter release days.

Micah and Selina: Yeah.

Eric: That reminds me of… Micah, you posted in a Skype chat earlier that today is the six years since Episode 99 in Enlightening in 2007 in Philadelphia – which was the episode before we all got the seventh book – is six years ago today, from when we’re recording this.

Andrew: Not just that, but today is the… tomorrow is the two year anniversary of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2 hitting theaters.

Eric: Yeah. This is the Harry Potter month.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: This is… and his birthday is in sixteen days or whatever. So you’re right, it feels right that it was revealed now. Although, I did want to talk about the fact that it’s only been two months. So the secret came out still pretty quickly, I think.


How The Sunday Times Uncovered The Secret


Andrew: Well, yeah. I mean, I guess we can get into that now. So The New York Times spoke to The Sunday Times, who initially uncovered The Cuckoo’s Calling connecting it to J.K. Rowling. What happened was one of The Sunday Times‘s writers had read The Cuckoo’s Calling recently and tweeted that she liked the book. And shortly after that, an anonymous person replied to her on Twitter and told her that it was J.K. Rowling who was the real author.

Eric: Unbelievable.

Andrew: So then the editor replied to the Twitter user asking, “How do you know for sure?” and the anonymous person said, “I just know.” Then that anonymous person deleted the tweets and deleted his or her Twitter account. So from there, that made The Sunday Times start to dig. They connected the dots between the publisher and the editor of The Casual Vacancy and The Cuckoo’s Calling. They’re both Little Brown, and it’s also the same actual editor, the same person. And that set off a red flag because it was like, why is this person who edited The Casual Vacancy for J.K. Rowling also editing something as irrelevant as a new-coming author, a new author? That part didn’t really add up.

Eric: Oh, right. Right.

Andrew: And then they sent the two books plus Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows into linguistic computers and they found, quote, “significant similarities between the three.”

Selina: Wow.

[Andrew and Selina laugh]

Eric: These linguistic computers sound really cool.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: They’re basically what our eighth grade science teachers threatened us with if we were to plagiarize our science fair experiment.

[Selina laughs]

Eric: They’re like, “We can tell your writing! There are databases for this.”

Andrew: Right.

Eric: I’m all over it.

Andrew: So then they had all this evidence and they decided to email Rowling’s publicist this past Friday night. And their email was… it was a very simple statement. It was:

“I believe that Robert Galbraith is in fact J.K. Rowling, and will you please come back with a straightforward answer?”

[Andrew laughs]

Selina: I love that.

Micah: You have to say that in a British accent though, because that sound…

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: [in a terrible British accent] “Will you please come back with a straightforward answer?”

Micah: There you go. It just sounds more authentic that way.

Andrew: And then Saturday morning J.K. Rowling’s publicist replied, “Yes, it is her.” And then they got that statement from Rowling, and then that was it.

Eric: Wow.

Andrew: So, yeah.

Selina: It’s so weird. Such a weird sequence of events. What kind of… who was the person that originally tweeted it? That’s what I want to know.

Andrew: Well, okay…

Selina: Is it Ian Rankin being bitter?

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Well, here’s the question: Was this anonymous person on Twitter actually somebody from Little Brown, and Little Brown decided that now they want to let everybody learn about the book? Because…

Eric: I can just imagine like a 4:00AM phone call to J.K. Rowling, where she picks it up, she’s like, “Hello?” – wiping the sleep from her eyes – and they’re like, “Phase 2, Ms. Rowling, is ready to begin.”

[Selina laughs]

Eric: She’s like, “Okay, proceed.” And then they send that tweet back to that Sunday Times person. You think it’s a planned event?

Andrew: Well, I mean…

Selina: I don’t know. Operation Cuckoo?

Andrew: They wanted to sell them eventually. They wanted to let everybody know because, I mean, Little Brown is a business. They want book sales.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: And everybody knows book sales have been struggling. So I think it had to come out at some point. As J.K. Rowling said in her statement, she was hoping it wouldn’t be this soon.

Selina: Mhm.

Andrew: I don’t know how soon she was planning.

Eric: Right.

Andrew: But interestingly in the New York Times report, they say that the second print run of the book – which is now underway – will carry a revised author biography which reads, “Robert Galbraith is a pseudonym for J.K. Rowling.”

Micah: So it wasn’t planned?

Eric: The people who got… well, if it wasn’t planned, they’re certainly running like heck to… look, it had to be planned to some extent because at the end of the day…

Selina: They probably had a backup plan.

Eric: …it is J.K. Rowling. Yeah, there has to be a button they push…

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: …when it hits the fan that allows them to print so many more copies, because essentially the book now is out of print.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Those of us who got the print run… the first print run that doesn’t reveal it to be J.K. Rowling, our books are slightly more special actually.

MuggleCast 267 Transcript (continued)


How The Sunday Times Uncovered The Secret (continued)


Andrew: No, you’re absolutely right, and actually, these books could be of value. These original ones, without “J.K. Rowling.” Now in the author bio, on the inside flap at the very end of the book, both of them end with, “Robert Galbraith is a pseudonym,” and that’s it. So presumably, it will be those two areas that are updated with, “…is a pseudonym for J.K. Rowling.”

Selina: But you know what?

Eric: Interesting that she did come forward about that, where it’s almost as if there was some kind of duty to report that it wasn’t a real name or real entity.

Selina: Maybe they have to. Maybe that is actually a rule. Some kind of etiquette, publishing etiquette. But you know what I love though, about this whole thing? That even before… and we posted about this on Hypable too. Even before it was revealed to be J.K. Rowling, people were actually giving this book really good reviews.

Andrew and Eric: Yeah.

Selina: People actually responded really, really positively to this, and that’s… again, with Casual Vacancy we had these huge expectations that probably… it wasn’t a book we might have necessarily picked up, but the people that would have picked up this type of book irregardless of the author would probably have liked it for the type of book it was. So this book, which is a crime drama, people that pick up this kind of book really, really like it. And I love that. I think that’s great.

Andrew: One of the best reviews… it was sitting at the bottom, but now it’s been the most liked review. [laughs] It says:

“This book is so well-written that I suspect that some years down the road we will hear the author’s name is a pseudonym for some famous writer.”

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: [continues]

“Lots of description made one feel like another occupant in the scene. You could feel the weather, the tension, the pain, the atmosphere in the gatherings. The Audible version had great accents. It is a wonderful mystery with a surprise ending, and I look forward to more by the same author.”

Eric: Oh, so there is an audiobook?

Andrew: Yeah, it’s already available.

Eric: Ah!

Andrew: This was like a full-blown release.

Eric: This is the thing, they already have a Kindle version. This is why we almost should have known, right? Or is it that every new publisher should do this, where they have an ebook available? All these were in place. Even though this book was a secret, there were four copies in every Barnes and Noble, even though it was a first time author.

Micah: Specifically four. Four is now the magical number in the series.

Selina: Yeah, four. [laughs]

Eric: I’m saying that’s…

Micah: No, there’s no way you could have known though. That’s the thing. There’s tweets, there’s other information out there, where people say they passed on this book from an editor’s standpoint, right? So…

Selina: Yes. Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, now see, I don’t understand that part though, because J.K. Rowling is tied in with Little Brown though. So was…

Eric: Right.

Andrew: Was she just submitting it elsewhere for fun? Just to see what people would think?

Selina: Do you want to hear my theory on this?

Andrew: Yes, please.

Micah: No.

Selina: That I… well, okay then. [laughs] I think that the reason…

Micah: I’m just joking.

Selina: I know. The reason that she submitted… she probably submitted it because the people that spoke out about this was a publisher at Orion Publishing, and who knows if she submitted it to more publishing houses. But my theory is that she probably didn’t want to publish with Little Brown necessarily, because that would make it easier to tie her back to it. And of course, if she did have some kind of agreement, if it was going to be revealed eventually, then yeah, you’re probably right, that she was just trying to see what other people would think of it. But my immediate thought would be as Robert [pronounces as “Gal-bryth”] Galbraith… [laughs]

Eric: Oh, God. Just say [pronounces as “Gal-brayth”] Galbraith. Can you say Galbraith? [laughs]

Micah: [pronounces with Southern American accent] Galbraith.

Selina: Galbraith. I can’t say it like you guys!

Eric: [pronounces with Southern American accent] Galbraith.

Micah: He’s from Texas.

Selina: [laughs] Yes. But you know, she wanted to separate herself from the J.K. Rowling that published The Casual Vacancy with Little Brown. She wanted to be Robert Galbraith that published with someone else.

Micah: Yeah. I wanted to…

Selina: And the interesting thing is that yeah, she got turned down because crime novels aren’t in style right now.

Micah: I wanted to touch on what you said before though, because I thought that it was kind of interesting. Casual Vacancy was the first book that J.K. Rowling put out post-Harry Potter and you talked a little bit about the expectations. I feel like with this book those expectations, they’re somewhat removed.

Selina: Mhm.

Micah: And she comments herself that publishing under a pseudonym has allowed her a little bit more freedom, it’s more relaxing to go about it in this way. But I think from a reader’s standpoint, from somebody who’s been a fan of hers, it’s different. And it seems more along the same kind of style of book that Potter was, not necessarily from a genre standpoint but from a writing standpoint possibly.

Andrew: Yes.

Micah: That’s why they were able to find those symmetries when they sent it off to those special machines that did their work. And I don’t think that you necessarily have that if you did it with The Casual Vacancy. I feel like The Casual Vacancy is a beast all on its own, that it was just done because she felt this sort of deep-seated desire to write something that was very personal to her.

Andrew: You know what? That’s a good point.

Selina: I hope you’re right.

Andrew: That’s why I’m so excited about this book, is because Harry Potter had a lot of mystery in it and this is a mystery crime novel. So I think this plays into her strengths that she already has a lot of experience with thanks to Harry Potter.

Micah: Agreed.

Andrew: Worth noting, by the way – I just checked out the Amazon page again – Amazon now lists it as temporarily out of stock.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: This is after it slipped from “Immediate availability” to “2-3 days.” This morning it was saying… Amazon was saying “10-14 days” so now it must be beyond that to the point where Amazon is just saying, “Well, we’ll ship it to you whenever the heck we get it.”

[Eric laughs]

Selina: I mean, I really hope this lives up to people’s expectations. I mean, obviously I can’t say anything because I’ve only read the first three pages, [laughs] but…

Micah: But, damn, they were a good three pages!

[Eric laughs]

Selina: You know, to be honest with you, I don’t want to judge anything – I haven’t read it – but the first three pages felt more Casual Vacancy to me because…

Micah: No.

Selina: I mean, the thing I loved about Harry Potter… way to be controversial here, I know, but the thing I loved about Harry Potter… I mean, I’m going to be honest with you, is the magic. That’s what I love about it.

Andrew: Well, yeah. Yeah.

Selina: So I’m… you know, that’s what… I’m sort of watching this with sort of a mixture of pride that the fan base is so quick to jump on this, and sort of a worry. Because look at someone like Philip Pullman. I love Philip Pullman’s His Dark Materials but that doesn’t mean that I’m going to love his “Brother Jesus and the Good Man Christ” or whatever that book is called that I actually did read. You know what I mean?

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: There’s a difference. You can love the series, you can love the author…

Micah: It was that good that you forgot the title. [laughs]

Selina: I know, right? [laughs] The Cuckoo’s Vacancy? What? No…

Andrew: No, I agree with you.

Selina: So I don’t know.

Andrew: I like crime novels. I’ve read a couple… not many, admittedly, but I’ve read other crime mystery novels and I do enjoy them. So that’s why I feel like I can actually look forward to this. If this was another political book, I probably would not be excited for this.

Eric: Right.

Selina: Right.

Micah: Yeah. I mean, I think about… political thrillers, I read all the time. I have a lot of time going in and out of the city on the train, authors like Nelson DeMille or David Baldacci or Ted Bell. And I think that this could be in line with that, maybe not to the extent of a political thriller but you’d have that mystery… there’s always mystery that’s sort of intertwined in political thrillers or legal thrillers, and I think that, Andrew, you brought up a great point before, saying that there is a lot of mystery in the Harry Potter series and there is a lot of detective work, I think, that you have to do as a reader. How many episodes did we spend theorizing about what could potentially happen in Deathly Hallows and putting all the pieces of the puzzle together? So I look forward to reading this. I wasn’t completely a hundred percent down on Casual Vacancy. I didn’t think that it was a bad book. I think it was different and we all knew that going in. But I hope that we return to some of that magic that we had in Harry Potter in this book.

Selina: Yeah. And the magic wasn’t just literal magic.

Micah: Right.

Selina: Like, part of the magic… it was the storytelling. It was the relationships between the characters. It was, as you say, the mysteries. But I think… I mean, for me personally – I’m sure a lot of listeners will agree with that – I don’t read mystery novels. That’s not my genre. So this is kind of a stretch. It’s not that I don’t really like novels about the real world or anything, but… [laughs]

Eric: [laughs] Nobody is saying that but you.

[Micah laughs]

Selina: But I’m reading this description, I’m thinking, “Oh, this kind of… if I was going to [unintelligible] thing that I have watched or read, it would be something like Sherlock.” You know?

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: Like a modern day Sherlock Holmes kind of thing. And I’m thinking, “Well, that’s nice but that’s not exactly me.” So I’m interested to see if the fact that it’s written by J.K. Rowling, an author who I absolutely fell in love with, if that’s going to be enough to draw me into a genre that I wouldn’t go for normally.

Eric: It should be. It absolutely should be. But I think what…

Selina: But then it wasn’t the last time.

Eric: Well, yeah. Well, what it comes down to is J.K. Rowling’s, I think, great talent for comedy in some of the places you least expect to. And this book just has to be funnier than Casual Vacancy, I think, for it to click with people. It has to leave a warm feeling while you’re reading it. It has to inspire as well as…

Selina: Have good friendships and have good stuff like that.

Eric: Friendship? Yeah, anything like that I think would immediately place it above Casual Vacancy for me. It just has to be set in a nicer world. I think Casual Vacancy was too harsh for me. But I do feel like a terrible reader. Getting back to just the reviews, the fact that there were only 75 reviews or so on Amazon, it only sold 1,500 copies in the first three months until this was announced. 1,500 copies and that’s it. The fact that it was gaining some traction on its own, so little bit of reviews, all the people who read it gave favorable reviews to it. I think, Andrew, you wrote on Hypable that certain people said that it was featured in their book club or on book lists.

Andrew: Yeah, like summer reading suggestions.

Eric: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the people who were reading it liked it. But on the whole, that’s definitely not me. I feel terrible saying this, but I wouldn’t have just picked this up because it’s a new mystery thriller.

Selina: Don’t feel terrible for that. I mean, we all have our genres that we like and…

Eric: No, but I don’t pick any book up. This is what I’m getting into.

Selina: Oh. [laughs]

Eric: I don’t pick any book up unless I know it’s by somebody that… I’m so shallow that way. I won’t try out a new author. I won’t try out new things. I really wish I had picked up this book and read it two months ago. I wish I was one of those people who just off the hand, didn’t know it, and had read it, because I think that’s also very cool.

Andrew: It is. Yeah.

Eric: It’s like the bonus surprise. Oh my God, it was J.K. Rowling all along?

Selina: I liked it before it was cool. Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, yeah, yeah. There’s always that small bit of any fandom, “Liked it before they were cool,” and I missed the boat with Potter. So I guess I’m trying to… now that I’ve psychoanalyzed myself, [laughs] I’m trying to get into that crowd.


Sales Figures For The Cuckoo’s Calling


Andrew: So in the UK, it has sold 1,500 copies so far. Obviously very low, considering it’s been out for two and a half months. We don’t have a US number yet. Sales since, over the past 24 hours, have spiked 507,000%…

[Eric laughs]

Selina: I love that.

Andrew: …and is currently number one on Amazon, US, and UK. Wait times, like I just mentioned a moment ago, are now… Amazon is not even telling you. They’re just like, “Eh, well, you know. You’ll get it soon.” You can order it, they’re just not giving you any expected delivery time because they don’t know.

Selina: You can still buy it on Amazon UK. Should I get it?

Andrew: Yeah, why not?

Micah: You might want to buy it, a copy.

Andrew: And then, of course, ebooks. The ebook version is available now. And if you call around the bookstores, you can find it. It’ll be interesting to see these people… let’s say you order it today, Selina. I wonder if you will get a copy that has J.K. Rowling’s name in it.

Eric: Right, from the new print.

Selina: But I don’t want that. I only want it if it’s still the real one.

Andrew: Right. Well, that’s…

Selina: Otherwise, I don’t want to pay ten pounds for it.

Eric: [unintelligible] You’ve got to leave this…

Micah: Screw J.K. Rowling. Robert Galbraith is what it’s about.

Selina: [laughs] Yeah, I know.

Andrew: Yeah, you should go… you should order it. I’m tempted to buy a couple more copies under this… [laughs] without J.K. Rowling being mentioned.

Eric: Well, it’s already been… unfortunately, it’s probably already in its second run. Already.

Selina: No!

Andrew: Right.

Eric: The copy we have. Because it’s been out for three months, so it’s very unlikely that any of us have first editions.

Selina: True.

Eric: In the true sense of first edition where it’s…

Andrew: I’m looking on Barnes and Nobles’ website, and it’s also temporarily out of stock there.

Eric: Geez.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Can we play with the math here for a moment, Andrew? Because 507,000% increase in sales – what does that even mean? [laughs]

Andrew: Well… yeah, I don’t know.

Eric: How many books are they selling?

Andrew: That’s a good question.

Eric: Because for something to sell twice as many, it’s 200%. So 200%… so you have to divide by 100. So 507,000%…

Selina: Jesus Christ.

Eric: …means 5,070 times what they were selling for the first time. So if you take 1,500, which is the copies they sold initially, and multiply that by 5,070, it means they sold seven and a half million books in the first day.

Andrew: See, that’s not adding up though, because The Casual Vacancy didn’t sell that many books, right?

Eric: Did it? Didn’t it? I thought there were like 40 million pre-orders or something.

Andrew: Were there?

Eric: Uh, no, that number seems high now that I say it.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Eric: But seven million in a day is pretty… that seems about right, wouldn’t it?

Andrew: No, I disagree. I don’t think it could be that high. There’s no way. Because first of all, it’s a weekend. I mean, I know this news is getting around, but it’s gotten around to seven million people compelled… I don’t know.

Eric: Yeah, I mean how many people are in the US alone? This is worldwide news.

Selina: Around the world, though? Yeah, and remember how many people went out and hoarded it at stores? You were just talking about that. Everyone has been buying two or three copies. I think it’s possible.

Eric: But that’s just everybody we know in our little corner of the fandom.

Selina: Oh, true. But…

Eric: Yeah. But still, I think it may be reflecting… look, 507,000%. That’s a number that’s in print on the Internet right now. [laughs]

Selina: Does this include ebooks?

Andrew: It must. I would think, right?

Eric: It must.

Andrew: Because they certainly didn’t do a seven million copy print run.

Selina: No.

Eric: You’re right.

Micah: It says on Amazon.com, “Sales soared more than 507,000%.”

Andrew: Okay.

Micah: So it’s specific to Amazon.com. That’s not even looking at bookstores or…

Andrew: Right.

Micah: …other places throughout the world at this point.

Andrew: It’s really…

Micah: I had a…

Andrew: Sorry, go ahead.

Micah: No, I just had a question about… it kind of ties into all of this. The information was released on a Saturday and it was, what, maybe late afternoon, early evening here on the East Coast? And that means it was just approaching midnight in the UK. So I’m just trying to figure out the rationale behind this, was it that the Sunday Times writer said, “Hey, I’m running with this story and it’s going to break in the UK after midnight. So if we’re going to say something, let’s get it out there”? It just seems like a weird time to me, on a Saturday evening here in the United States, for this information to come out. Because as you see, bookstores and other online retailers had no time to prepare for this at all.

Andrew: Right. Well yeah, I think they wanted to be first on it, but also this was probably printed in the Sunday Times‘s Sunday issue, and I know that newspapers will publish articles at midnight online.

Micah: Online, right.

Andrew: Yeah, so…

Eric: That will be available the following day in print.

Andrew: Right, exactly.

Eric: Yeah.


J.K. Rowling’s Statement


Andrew: So… I mean, we have a lot to talk about. J.K. Rowling’s statement – she said:

“I had hoped to keep this secret a little longer because being Robert Galbraith has been such a liberating experience. It has been wonderful to publish without hype or expectation and pure pleasure to get feedback under a different name. And to those who have asked for a sequel, Robert fully intends to keep writing the series, although he will probably continue to turn down personal appearances.”

Andrew: So that’s the other thing about this…

Selina: [laughs] So we won’t see her dress up in a hat and beard?

Andrew: Like Snape?

Eric: Well, what did she say ages ago when she said she was wearing a mustache?

Andrew: What?

Eric: Like didn’t she say she was going around… towards the end of the Harry Potter books, [laughs] she was going around with a mustache and top hat…

Andrew: Oh, to avoid the press. Yeah, yeah.

Selina: She was Robert already, getting into that.

Andrew: Well, here’s the interesting thing. This is going to be a series.

Selina: Yes.

Andrew: I mean, that’s really significant because this is, of course, her first post-Potter series.

Eric: Hmm.

Andrew: And it’s kind of too early to say if this is good or bad news because we don’t… we personally don’t know how good this book is, but I mean, potentially this could be a huge new series.

Eric: Yes…

Selina: Do you think that there will be a fandom for it in the same way?

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: Could there be? I mean…

Andrew: Sorry, say that again?

Selina: I just said do you think there could be a fandom for this kind of series in the same way? Because I’m just looking at something like Harry Potter and the kind of fandom that surrounded that world, sort of mainly teenagers and in that kind of school situation. You know what I mean? These are older characters, they might be harder to relate to that crowd.

Eric: Yeah. Well, fortunately I had some college prep on the mystery genre. We read Raymond Chandler, The Big Sleep, and that’s pretty much the hard-boiled detective novel of the last century. And basically, I can see people getting more into mystery because of J.K. Rowling. Like people from our fandom, the Harry Potter fans, getting into this book and then maybe in-between books also finding other series in this genre. I think for me the coolest thing is that J.K. Rowling found something, an idea that she likes enough to develop into and be comfortable to say that it’s going to be a series. But I can definitely see fans coming overÅ, or it really brings up that question again: Are we the Harry Potter fandom or are we the J.K. Rowling fandom?

Selina: Exactly. I mean, that’s the big question. We were just talking about that before the show too, how there comes a point when you have to make that decision, I think, for yourself.

Eric: Do you just like her magical works in the magical world or do you like everything she writes? Do you like her voice or is it specific books? So what is it? So I do think, depending on how her book is and how people respond to it, I could easily see this gaining a following. Not… well, from ex-Harry Potter fans or former Harry Potter fans, but then also a mystery community as well, who’s got either the interest that was there from the beginning, with the few people who read it before it became big. And also just from regular mystery enthusiasts who now say it’s like reading the next big novel from an established author who’s clearly good at writing. I think it will get renewed attention not just from Harry Potter fans but from mystery fans.

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Sequel Scheduled to Be Released Next Year


Andrew: So the next book is supposed to come out next summer, which is kind of cool. But this raises a question.

Selina: All right.

Andrew: What does this mean for J.K. Rowling in the future if she’s writing these books, the Cormoran Strike series?

Selina: I know. When is that lexicon coming?

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Andrew: Well, I think that’s pretty much complete, if you ask me.

Selina: For crying out loud.

Andrew: I think that’s ready to go.

Selina: I don’t think we’re ever going to get it. We talked about this before.

Eric: The cool thing to keep in mind is that she wrote four books in four years – the first four Harry Potter books. Now, there were years and years of planning, of course – we have to acknowledge that – but from 1997 to 2000 she wrote the first four Harry Potter books, and that’s four separate books. She’s had six years now since Book 7 ended. She could easilyÅ… it’s foreseeable that there are plenty more things out there that she’s been working on, in addition to being the wife and mother that she always wanted to be, which she said she’s also enjoying. So I just think there’s so much opportunity, because we know the speed that she can write and we know how much time has elapsed. There’s a lot more that could be out there. I’m including all the stuff we’re hoping to find out on Pottermore, including a lexicon. It’s just a matter of them planning it, putting it in the pipeline for development and delivery, and then releasing it to us.

Andrew: I’mÅ… I don’t know. This is really interesting to me.

Micah: But why…

Andrew: I don’t know what to say.

Micah: Why continue to write as Robert?

Selina: I know.

Andrew: Well…

Micah: It doesn’t… at this point… what was her timeline for waiting to make this reveal? Was she never going to make the reveal?

Andrew: She…

Micah: So I’m just wondering… okay, in the UK it sold 1,500 copies. In the US, as you mentioned, we don’t know the numbers yet. But how could she even know that she was going to write a series if the first book… I mean, selling 1,500 copies is not successful. So she was banking on this reveal at some point because…

Eric: No…

Micah: …the reveal…

Selina: Well, I think…

Andrew: She said herself that the book… this is sooner than she hoped.

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: So she was planning on some [reveal] at some point.

Eric: I think so, but…

Selina: I think for her… I mean, it probably wouldn’t make that big of a difference because she has enough money for like thirty lifetimes.

Eric: Yeah, at this point you’re writing for yourself, and I think there was definitely… there’s something brilliant about writing under a pseudonym and watching the book gain a life of its own because it’s the only one true unbiased way to do anything. Right? Isn’t it? So the fact that she had two months to gather that info to read the reviews that she stated in her statement is cool. It’s true, it’s only two months. So it would have been interesting if it had been six months or a year, like maybe a full year, when the second book is about to come out when she sees the maximum… like say that that’s when it reaches its maximum popularity or if it plateaus.

Micah: Right.

Eric: To have been able to see the book naturally plateau. Maybe it goes from book club word of mouth. But it’s only been two months, so I’m glad that at least in her statement she says that it was nice to hear the reviews. Of course, though, she also says that it was too soon.

Micah: Well, that’s where I wonder from her perspective, what is more telling? Is it the reviews that you receive or is it the sales of the book?

Selina: I would say it’s the reviews for sure.

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: Because that’s the whole thing. She probably wants to be… J.K. Rowling wants to be known or acknowledged for something other than Harry Potter, so it must be very liberating for her. She is being recognized for this non-Harry Potter, non-magical book, not because of her name. I mean, that must be the best thing for her.

Andrew: Yeah. I can’t even imagine how rewarding that is.

Eric: Yeah. The word she used was “liberating” and she said, “It’s been pure pleasure to get feedback under a different name.” So it’s almost like she had to do it, in a way, for herself, now she knows. I think she will continue writing under…

Micah: Well, that’s what she said.

Selina: [unintelligible]

Andrew: Just that series.

Eric: There has to be a precedent for it. I’m thinking Stephen King/Richard Bachman, I wonder if he wrote any books after being outed. I have to go back to that… except for Blaze, which came later. I think ultimately for her, she’s created this persona. And I actually wanted to bring this up – I wasn’t sure if it would fit in the doc, but hey, now I’m making the connection – is it wrong or is it somehow suspect for her to have created this identity?

[Micah laughs]

Eric: Which is shown in… I think it’s in the book flap, that says, “Robert Galbraith is an ex-vet…”

Selina: Oh, yeah. [laughs]

Eric: “…who was stationed in the army, and this…” or is it the non-military police? Anyway, and the whole story is based on…

Selina: Something that she’s not, basically.

Eric: His or she experiences, yeah. It was an in-depth bio for a fake person, so how is that… will that remain in the new copy of the book? And is it wrong to pose as a vet, or how does that gain your sympathy or not? Because we know she didn’t serve in the war, so what does it really mean?

Selina: That’s a good point. That’s a good distinction. But I think… just in terms of her creating a pseudonym and creating a character under which to write for, that’s a pretty standard practice for authors writing under pseudonyms. And especially women, I mean there’s been a string of women throughout history that she’s following in the footsteps of who are writing under male pseudonyms. There’s a Danish one actually – I can’t think of any English ones, though there are some – but Karen Blixen was a Danish one. She wrote the… My African Farm? Is that the one? Something like that. And she wrote under the pen name Isak Dinesen, who was like a completely separate person, a man, and she wrote under him for years and years and years. And now, she’s just known under both names.

Andrew: Hmm.

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: So it’s that kind of thing, and I think that… but in terms of her creating him as a vet of the army, that is particularly interesting.

Micah: Yeah.

Selina: And I wonder why.

Micah: Somewhere the real Robert Galbraith…

[Selina laughs]

Micah: …is demanding his money…

Eric: Oh, God.

Micah: …once these sales start to spike. But I think we’ve probably had this discussion on an episode, years ago maybe. And we’ve talked about would J.K. Rowling ever write under a pseudonym, and I think… it’s not certainly my place to say one way or another what she should or shouldn’t do, but it’s just overall an interesting story to me because I feel like she already achieved this level of greatness through writing Harry Potter and she made it from being this somebody who wasn’t a known author by any respects and she wrote quite possibly one of the greatest series of all time in literature, and it’s just… it’s funny to me that she would feel the need to write under a pseudonym to see if it would be just as successful when she already went through that process back in the late ’90s.

Selina: Yeah, but I think it is again a thing of distancing herself from Harry and from that story, that type of story, too.

Eric: It’s so interesting, Selina, that you brought up too that it may have been easier a leap for her to make since J.K. Rowling isn’t her real name. You know, ‘K’ is her aunt, Kathleen.

Selina: Mhm.

Eric: It may be easier for her to write under a fake name because she’s already done it.

Selina: True.

Andrew: So, I mean… but just getting back to this discussion of what she could be writing next, are we going to get that children’s book? She said while promoting The Casual Vacancy that…

Selina: It’s probably already come out, Andrew.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, maybe.

Selina: It’s probably Hunger Games.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Andrew: Who’s behind it? Let’s find more pseudonym books. [laughs] The Hunger Games? Could you imagine if J.K. Rowling was behind The Hunger Games?

Eric: Yeah, I thought…

Selina: I know, right?

Eric: I thought all pseudonyms had to work like “Tom Marvolo Riddle. I am Lord Voldemort.”

[Selina laughs]

Eric: I thought they had to contain all the letters and so…

Andrew: Yeah, I almost put this into a word scrambler.

Eric: Yeah, word scramble…

Selina: Oh, no, that’s an anagram.

Eric: …to see what would come up. Well, we don’t know… I think the J, the K, and the W are missing from Robert Galbraith, which are all important parts of Rowling – the J, K, and W. But we don’t… depends on what his middle name is, right? [laughs]

Andrew: Exactly.

Eric: She should…

Selina: I am Lord J.K. Rowling.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, we need to know.

Eric: She should come up with a crazy middle name for Robert Galbraith.

Micah: By the way though, a tip of the cap to “Lord Voldemort” on Twitter who had a great tweet yesterday…

Andrew: What did he say?

Micah: …saying, “Oh, J.K. Rowling is writing under a pseudonym. How very Half-Blood Prince of her.”

[Andrew, Eric, and Selina laugh]

Andrew: So…

Eric: Yeah, we should do a best of Twitter kind of post, I think.

Andrew: Yeah, there’s been some good stuff. My friend Mason tweeted that Shailene Woodley has already signed on for the lead role in The Cuckoo’s Calling.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Andrew: So we wanted to talk about potential TV/movie, but I think it’s too early because we haven’t read that, so we’ll hold that off until another episode.

Selina: [laughs] Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, we’ll hold that off for our big review show, right?

Andrew: Yeah.


When Do the Hosts Plan on Reading The Cuckoo’s Calling?


Andrew: When do you guys plan on reading the book?

Selina: I’m three pages in, so I’ve got the lead. [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] You started.

Eric: I’m holding it in my hands. I plan to read some tonight.

Micah: Whenever I get a copy. [laughs]

Eric: [laughs] Poor Micah.

Andrew: I got my copy. I may start tonight. I’ve got the Newsroom premiere tonight, which I’m looking forward to, so I’ll… but I’m excited to have a good summer book to read. I’m very excited.

Selina: Yeah.

Micah: Can I ask… I don’t know that we’ve mentioned this, maybe you did at the top of the show, but how long is the book?

Andrew: It is four hundred and sixty… 454 pages. Fifty-five, excuse me.

Eric: Four fifty-five, yeah. I was about to correct you.

Selina: Oh, my God.

Andrew: Casual Vacancy is like 460, 480. They’re the same size; they’re the same height and width and length. They’re… whatever, I don’t know the exact dimensions, but they’re very similar-looking books in terms of physical size. Let’s go to Twitter now.

Micah: Well, it is the same publisher.

Andrew: Yeah, but… yeah.

Selina: This is nice. They’ll look nice to each other on the shelf, next to each other.

Andrew: Yeah. You know what? I actually put them next to each other; they do look good.

Eric: Oh.

Andrew: They also both kind of have that… the handwriting for each title is kind of flippant. I don’t know if that’s the way to…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: It looks like it’s handwritten, sort of. Both of them.

Selina: Yeah, it’s like… oh, we should have known.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: That’s got to be… it’s just a regular motif, I think, for new novels. You’re right, though.

Andrew: Maybe. Maybe.

Eric: Yeah.


Listener Tweets: Reactions to The Cuckoo’s Calling


Andrew: So, Micah, why don’t you tell us about some tweets that we got? You took to Twitter to ask people what?

Micah: I asked them what their thoughts were on The Cuckoo’s Calling – spoiler-free, of course – so I’ve actually pasted these tweets into our Google Doc, which really amazingly came together in about five minutes prior to our recording.

Andrew: Shhh!

Selina: That was amazing.

Micah: If we have a time lapse, we need to post that video…

Andrew: [whispers] Don’t tell them.

Selina: Oh, it’s a beautiful thing.

Micah: …of how this all came to be. [laughs] So, quite frankly, I don’t know if there are any spoilers in here…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I doubt it. No way.

Micah: …but we’re about to find out. So the first tweet comes from [struggles to pronounce the name] Anne Panne…

Selina: I’ve got this one! Anne Panne P¯ne. She must be Danish.

Micah: Oh. There you go.

Eric: Anne Panne P¯ne.

Selina: Yeah, there you go.

Eric: Did I say that right?

Selina: You got it. No. [laughs] Close.

Micah: She’s the distant niece of Robert Galbraith.

Selina: [laughs] She’s…

Eric: [in a thick accent] Galbraith.

Selina: [in a thick accent] Robert Galbraith.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Micah: [pronounces as “Gale-braith”] Galbraith.

[Selina laughs]

Eric: Thank you.

Micah: And she says:

“Excited to read it and see if it is as good as the reviews say! (And if it engages me more than ‘The Casual Vacancy’ did.)”

Selina: I hear you.

Micah: Lyndon…

Andrew: That’s an important question because if people get fed up with this book, too…

Selina: That’s it.

Andrew: I mean, how many more books can J.K. Rowling release before they’re just over it?

Micah: She’s going to be forced to go back…

Eric: Before people bomb her…

Micah: …to Harry Potter? [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, exactly.

Eric: Yes.

Micah: Lyndon says:

“A funny/tricky thing for J.K. Rowling to do. This book of hers was a chance for her to stay in the shadows… Surprise!”

Eric: Like a ninja.

Micah: Martin [lightning bolt] says:

“Loving it! Ever since I read CoS in 2001, I’ve been telling myself Jo is a great mystery writer.”

They need to learn how to spell “mystery,” by the way.

“Love that Rob G filled that void.”

Eric: Rob G.

Micah: [laughs] Now he’s Rob G.

Selina: [laughs] Rob G.

[Andrew laughs]

Selina: I love it.

Eric: Robbie G.

Micah: Savannah Amy says:

“I’m a few chapters in and really enjoying it. The characters are intriguing and the plot interesting. Can’t wait to finish it!”

Torrance Klimoski:

“Can’t wait to read it! Bought my copy within minutes of the news but haven’t had a chance to open it – but the synopsis sounds good.”

Andrew: I’ll stop you right there to let you know I went to the Barnes and Noble website, and I reserved [laughs] two more copies of the book.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Because apparently they’re in stock, still. So I’m going to get…

Selina: Oh, my God.

Andrew: I have to get a confirmation, though. I have to wait. So…

Selina: What are you going to do with them?

Andrew: Well, like I said earlier, I like this… I like how these… this is a very rare print, without it mentioning J.K. Rowling.

Selina: True.

Andrew: So potentially this is worth something. So…

Selina: You can always do a giveaway.

Andrew: Yeah, exactly. I may do a giveaway.

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: Go ahead now, Micah.

Eric: Makes sense.

Micah: Cristina Bailey says:

“It’s great! Very similar style to J.K. Rowling. If I didn’t know better, I would have said she wrote it!”

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Selina: Aye, best tweet ever.

Micah: Matty J:

“Love Jo’s decision! Famous writer with no pressure but only within herself to write what she wants at her own pace and time.”

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: Lucy says:

“Loving it so far! About halfway through – good murder mystery novel!”

Selina?

Selina: Yes?

Eric: Oh…

Micah: Next name? [laughs]

Selina: Oh.

Eric: …difficult name. I knew exactly what he was doing. [laughs]

Selina: [pronounces as “Ale-lee”] Ailbhe Redmond.

Eric: The ‘B’ is silent?

Selina: Yeah, I think the ‘B’ is silent. Unless it’s [pronounces as “Ale-bee”] Ailbhe. I was going to say [pronounces as “Ale-lee”] Ailbhe.

Micah: Well, the Twitter name is albuhay.

Selina: Albuhay. [laughs] Okay then. Albuhay.

Micah: Well, they:

“Really respect Jo’s decision to put it out there with no pressure to see what the response would be. Loved TCV so can’t wait!”

So there’s somebody who enjoyed The Casual Vacancy. And finally, Jennifer Harenda says:

“On page 26, very promising so far.”

Selina: Little bit further than me.

Micah: [continues]

“The writing is stronger than in ‘Potter’, and I think I’ll like it better than TCV.”

Eric: Stronger than in Potter.

Andrew: Hmm.

Selina: Those are fighting words.

Andrew: Yeah, interesting.

Eric: [laughs] No, no, no. I think it’s fair, only because every writer grows, right? So…

Andrew: Yeah, that’s true. I am glad to hear that it is better than The Casual Vacancy so far. I mean, it’s totally different…

Selina: Yeah, we aren’t getting that kind of response that we had after Casual Vacancy when everyone was sort of just tweeting like “…umm.” [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, you know what? And it’s a whole different subject matter. So…

Eric: Yeah. The furthest I’ve heard of anyone being so far is page 131, and that is my good friend Sarah Wilkes – I’ll give a shoutout – just on Twitter, tweeted me and was like, “I’m on 131. It’s good.” So that’s the furthest I’ve seen. But you said 455 pages, wasn’t it? So it’s only a quarter of the way through. That’s the furthest I’ve heard of anyone being. But we got a lot of tweets: 25 pages, 30 pages, 3 pages.

Micah: Yeah. I mean, I see it as something that I’m looking forward to reading. I’m going to take my time with the book. It’s not one of those situations where we’re running to record a podcast and we got to finish it in three hours or we’re trying to race our friends to get to the finish and find out what happens to Harry in Book 7. So…

Andrew: Right.

Micah: I just see it as one of those things where hopefully the bookstore has it tomorrow. I’ll probably order it online anyway, just to be safe. But I want to enjoy the book. I don’t want to feel like I have to rush through to find out what happens at the end.

Andrew: Yeah. I agree.

Eric: Now, maybe we should give a shout… people were telling me yesterday, in terms of methods of how to get it, it’s unlikely… they can’t sell out of a digital copy, right?

Selina: No.

Eric: So you can do an ebook?

Selina: Yes.

Eric: And somebody was telling me about the Kindle and Nook apps for iPhone, so… that are apparently free. So even if you don’t have a Kindle or Nook you can still order the book for like thirteen dollars and still read it.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: If you are accustomed to reading on your phone, there is a way where you can get the ebook and that would probably be not only your best money saving option, but to guarantee that you get it. Because it’s digital! They’re not going to run out.

Selina: And don’t forget there is the audiobook, too.

Micah: Yeah, Audible.com.

[Selina laughs]

Eric: I’m definitely going to get the audiobook.

Micah: Use your free audiobook right there.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Why not?

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: You could.

Selina: Nothing better that I could think of to use it for.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: That’s AudiblePodcast.com/MuggleCast.

Andrew: Funnily enough, I don’t think we have an ad this episode. So…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: …joke’s on you guys.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Anyway…

Micah: Sorry, I just brought up the picture that Eric sent…

Eric: Well, in that case let’s use Game of Owns’s.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]


Show Close


Andrew: So there will be a lot more to talk about over the coming weeks. And I would say months, but since we have two more months left it’s almost not worth saying. So we’ll talk more about it in the coming weeks.

Selina: Way to bum everybody out at the end of the show.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: I was going to say, Micah was going on about it. I was like, “Micah, isn’t it nice not to have a podcast to run home and read for?”

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: Geez.

Andrew: We would love to hear everybody’s reviews, so after… if you plan on reading the book within the next few weeks, after you finish email us: mugglecast at gmail dot com. That’s our email address now, right? Guys?

Eric: Yes.

Micah: That’s the best way to reach us by email.

Andrew: Okay. mugglecast at gmail dot com. We will read some of your reviews. I think we’re all going to try to read it in the next few weeks. And we probably won’t have a review by the end of… by our next episode, which is scheduled for a week or two from now, but maybe for the final episode we will mention it on there. Go through some reviews.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Thanks everybody for listening. We will see you in just a couple of weeks for Episode 268. I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: I’m Eric Scull.

[Show music begins]

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Selina: And I’m Selina Wilken.

Andrew: Goodbye.

Selina: Goodbye.

Eric: Get Cuck-in’!

[Selina laughs]

Micah: Oh, wow.

Selina: Get Cuckoo! [laughs]

Micah: How long did you take to think of that?

Andrew: Get cook… get cuckin’.

Eric: Half a second.

[Show music continues]

Transcript #266

MuggleCast 266 Transcript


Show Intro


[“Hedwig’s Theme” plays]

Andrew: Because Micah just has to go there, this is MuggleCast Episode 266 for June 23rd, 2013.

[Show music begins]

Andrew: Today’s episode is brought to you by Audible.com. Audible is the leading provider of audiobooks with more than 100,000 downloadable titles across all types of literature, including fiction, non-fiction, and periodicals. For a free audiobook of your choice, go to AudiblePodcast.com/MuggleCast.

[Show music continues]

Andrew: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 266. Eric, Micah, and I are here this week, and look who’s joining us: Laura Thompson! Welcome back, Laura.

Laura: Who’s that?

Andrew: Oh, it’s you and your beautiful voice.

Laura: Aww, I missed you guys.

Andrew: Yeah, we missed you too. You set the standard for female podcasting, I feel.

Laura: Well, I don’t think I had very much competition on this show. [laughs]

Andrew: Well, I mean you blazed the trail.

Laura: I mean, at least when I was on the show, right? I know that there were some people who were on here after me who are awesome. But yeah, for a while it was just me and all of this testosterone. It was quite a challenge sometimes.

Andrew: Yes. Well, you’ve always been the voice of reason. That has never changed.

Laura: Aww.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: You poor misled souls. What are you thinking?

Andrew: [laughs] But speaking of nostalgia, you know it’s been ten years since Order of the Phoenix hit bookstore shelves?

Laura: Oh, my God.

Andrew: Yeah. On the summer solstice, which we just passed. So does everybody remember where they were for that book release? Micah, do you remember?

Micah: I was in college and [laughs] I had not read any of the books yet.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Oh, that’s right! When did you start?

Micah: Just… well, I read them all in one summer but I started really getting into them probably just before Half-Blood Prince was released.

Andrew: Oh, wow. How about you, Eric?

Eric: Noob. Noob. [laughs]

Micah: Yup, I’m a noob.

Eric: No, I’m a noob too, because Order of the Phoenix was my first book release. I only got into them after the first two movies had already come out. So Order of the Phoenix was my first book release, so it’ll always be a little special. And it was the first event I went to on behalf of MuggleNet because there was an Oak Park, Illinois event where they turned all the local shops into Diagon Alley. And basically Dylan and I were there, and we did some Wizard’s Chess and some costume contests. It was a lot of fun. But I actually went out of state for it, and back home… my mom, I remember this, wrote the local paper and she was like, “My son is going to Illinois on behalf of his Harry Potter website! Why don’t you do a story on it?” [laughs] And so some guy came to my house, and I had a story in the local paper.

Andrew: Oh, that’s funny.

Laura: That’s awesome.

Andrew: The town nerd, heading to Chicago!

[Andrew, Eric, and Laura laugh]

Eric: It really was, and I looked terrible. My hair, man, I’m telling you. I looked so… I had the weirdest smirk on my face, it’s terrible.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: How about you, Laura? Do you remember?

Laura: I don’t remember how old I was… I feel like I was…

Eric: Oh, it was 2003. [laughs]

Laura: Yeah, so I was like five. And…

Andrew: What? No, no, no!

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Laura: No, no. I’m just… I’m a little embarrassed because I dressed up and I was like fifteen.

Andrew: Oh.

Laura: But yeah, I went to a book release party, so I went to a Barnes and Noble here in the Metro Atlanta area. And I went with a couple of my friends, and they also dressed up. And we were probably the oldest kids there who were wearing costumes. Everybody else was super cute, they were like, you know, three. Running around waving their wands.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: So it’s just one of those embarrassing teenage moments. But it was super fun, it was actually my first midnight release party. I had been a big fan of the books before that point but I had just never gotten to go to one, so it was kind of like my first experience in the world of the fandom and interacting with other people who were as crazy about it as I was.

Andrew: [laughs] That was… of course, Goblet of Fire was the book that had come out previously, and it had been three years. So I think in between those two books, like Eric mentioned, the two movies had come out, so in that time the fandom must have grown so much.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: Because I remember, also, JK Rowling was like, “You know what? For this book, I’m going to take my time. You guys rushed me with Goblet of Fire, so let me take my time on Order of the Phoenix.” I was at a bookstore in my local town, and I remember some of the kids from my school were there. It was my second book release; I had gone to the Goblet of Fire one. So some of the kids from high school were there too, [laughs] and I was like… or not high school, middle school. And I was like, “Oh gosh, the cooler kids than me are here. That’s kind of a little…” Then one of them was really into Harry Potter. I was like, “Okay, cool. This is kind of neat. So Harry Potter isn’t as dorky as I think it is.”

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Micah: Yeah, it is.

Laura: Yeah, it is.

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Oh, darn. So yeah, ten years. If that doesn’t make you feel old, I don’t know what does.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Ten years since Order of the Phoenix. Wow!

Laura: Oh, my God. Better get out the walker.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]


News: Pottermore Updates


Andrew: But here we are anyway and still talking about Harry Potter news if you can believe it, including the hot thing in Harry Potter right now, so to speak: Pottermore!

Eric: Ooh!

Andrew: Laura, have you used Pottermore? Have we ever spoken to you about Pottermore?

Laura: No, we haven’t spoken about Pottermore. I have used it.

Andrew: What house are you in?

Laura: What house do you think I’m in?

Andrew: Hufflepuff.

Laura: The same one as freaking everybody else. It pissed me off.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: I did not want to be in Gryffindor. I was so… I’m sorry, I’m not supposed to say bad words on this show.

Andrew: It’s okay.

Micah: Yes, you can.

Laura: Oh. [laughs]

Micah: We changed the policy.

Laura: Oh, okay. Good. Was that after Smart Mouths?

Andrew: We just grew up, that’s all.

Laura: Oh, okay. All right.

Andrew: [laughs] We all grew up.

Laura: But yeah, I was really ticked off because my whole life I’ve considered myself a Ravenclaw, and then I took the stupid test and I got put in Gryffindor.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: And I think that it’s a little bit convenient that all the houses have the same, or at least proportionate, numbers of people in them.

Andrew: Right, exactly.

Laura: I think it’s crap.

Andrew: Exactly. That’s my theory as well. It’s a little weighted. It’s not your true house. But anyway, they did announce that they’re going to be making some changes to the site. Pottermore CEO Charlie Redmayne spoke to the site called The Bookseller, and they seem to be doing some big changes. For example, you can now cast spells, take part in wizard duels, and get sorted into your Hogwarts house before even registering for the site. Another big change is that you will no longer be able to go through the chapter – or you don’t have to go through the chapters – in sequential order. You can now just browse around wherever you want.

Laura: Oh, cool. I would love that. That was one thing I really didn’t like. There were certain things I just wasn’t interested in doing, and I didn’t really care about going through.

Andrew: But isn’t this sort of like… the whole reason that this site existed was it was supposed to be a companion to the books, and now it’s… I don’t know, it seems to be a real 180.

Laura: I don’t know. If you’re using it as you read the books, you can still go through in order. But if you’re a really big fan who’s already read them twelve times like we have, and you want to go to your favorite part, I think that’s pretty cool.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Well, I wonder if this will allow me, who [laughs] really haven’t been on it all that much since I first logged in – I’m terrible, terrible fan – to go and get all the exclusive content from JK Rowling in one click.

Andrew: Yes, that would be nice.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: So I’m all over that because that’s really what I wanted to use the site for as well. I had a crisis of house sorting because I got sorted into Hufflepuff, but I got over that and in general, all I’m on it for is the exclusive content.

Andrew: They also seem to be trying to appeal to people who don’t know Harry Potter at all. Charlie Redmayne seems to think that people who discover Harry Potter through like the LEGO video game or one of the computer games, they are going to come to Pottermore too. So they’re going to have pages, simple pages, like: “Who is Harry Potter?”

Laura: Oh, my God. Are you serious?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. That’s a quote. Like that’s a thing. [laughs]

Laura: That is kind of… I was going to say something that’s not appropriate to say. It’s kind of stupid.

Andrew: [laughs] What do you think, Micah?

Micah: I agree with Laura. I think that… how does anybody who has been alive for the last twenty years, thirty years, not know who Harry Potter is? I feel like that’s a…

Andrew: But… well, I think you’re looking at new generations of kids playing the LEGO video games maybe. Let’s say you’re ten to twelve years old and you haven’t played – or you haven’t read – Harry Potter yet…

Eric: You know, those LEGO video games are hard. You really need to know who Harry Potter is in order to beat them. [laughs]

Andrew: Really?

Eric: You need to know all about these little charms and stuff that you’ve got to do because it is… I cannot get through them.

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: No, I don’t know, man. I feel the same. Who is coming to Pottermore, the site…

Andrew: [laughs] For more…

Eric: …for their first time? I don’t…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: I’m glad that they thought of that, I guess, but maybe it’s somebody else’s job to be like, “Who is Harry Potter?” You can always Google it and… Wikipedia will do the same thing better.

Micah: Read the book. That…

Eric: Or read the book.

Micah: If you want to know who he is, read the book. Even if it’s a younger generation, even if it’s kids that are five, six, seven years old… or have the parents read the book to the kids so that they learn who he is. I mean, I get the whole idea behind having these little biographies. I’m sure they’re not just going to do it for him. They’ll do it for other characters as well so that you get a better understanding of what the series is all about. But, to Eric’s point, this is Pottermore. You’re coming here for more information, not to be introduced into the series unless that’s also what they’re trying to do with the site.

Eric: Or maybe they’ll change the name. And maybe we’re being a little bit stodgy.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Let’s not forget that they are selling the books on the site. So, to be…

Andrew: They have to… right, good point.

Eric: Yeah. They could really do a whole new interface with that and have an end with a byline, you know?

Andrew: Mhm. They need… as I’ve said before, they need to do two things. I’m over my pet idea for Pottermore.

Eric: Oh no!

Andrew: No more taking care of a pet.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Never give up! Live strong!

Andrew: [laughs] But they need to – as I brought up on the show before – drop a bombshell that websites and media outlets are going to pick up, just like the “Dumbledore is gay” thing, and every damn article is going to be like, “JK Rowling revealed this on her Pottermore website.” So that’s free publicity right there. And b) She needs to… I think we’ve discussed on the show before, you need to be able to get your Patronus now. Because we’re in Prisoner of Azkaban right now. That’s… they’re like midway through Prisoner of Azkaban.

Laura: Oh, really? Oh.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Wow, I haven’t been paying attention. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. Well, exactly because nobody… and the new content fr…JK Rowling has gotten… I feel like it’s gotte… little less exciting. I’ve always said that’s the greatest part of the website, but it’s just missing… it’s not thrilling. It…sort of like rehashed material. It’s not new new anymore, it doesn’t feel like to me.

Eric: See, I would…

Laura: Just…y everybody is gay. Everybody is gay.

Andrew: [laughs] Right. Oh…

Micah: Or l…s goats.

Laura: There we go.

Andrew: Laura, what was that Christian… the Bible thumper’s na… Laura…

Eric: Mallo…

Laura: Laura Mallory. Oh, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. Oh, her head would explode if she found out that everybody was gay in the Harry Potter books. [laughs] Poof!

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: So those are the… so we’ll see. I mean, I’m glad that they’re making some big changes. A little UI change would be nice too. Maybe they should refresh the design of it now.

Micah: What was your big theory a couple of episodes ago, Andrew, about Aunt Marge?

Andrew: Aunt Marge! She should have said that Aunt Marge is a lesbian. That would have been a huge bombshell. Laura, you would have liked that one, right?

Laura: Oh, of course!

Andrew: Yeah. That would have been cool!

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: That would have been cool.

Eric: But I was under… I thought…

Laura: I would have been Facebooking and tweeting all of that stuff.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Right!

Laura: Oh, my God.

Eric: It would go viral, everybody would know. Oh, my God.

Andrew: Laura would have been like, “Guys, guys, guess what I just read on Pottermore?” [laughs]

Laura: [laughs] “I knew it!”

Andrew: What were you going to say, Eric? [laughs]

Eric: I was going to say, I thought that JK Rowling wrote almost all of her content before Pottermore even launched. That’s just what I remember reading, I guess. Because it was a long period of… gosh, was it… well, I guess it was three to five years where she was essentially writing content in the very, very background and before Pottermore was announced. And then when it came out, I just… the only thing she wrote couldn’t have just been the Prisoner of Azkaban stuff because that’s like three paragraphs… or the Sorcerer’s Stone stuff because that’s like three different things. There’s… I don’t know, I just thought she wrote it all. So, why should it be dipping in quality years later in Book 3?

Andrew: Yeah, I…

Eric: Book 3 is my favorite book, so to see that there’s nothing terribly new and exciting so far in it is really upsetting to me. You get Animagi, you get Patronuses, you get Lupin, you get Sirius Black…

Andrew: Right.

Eric: …for crying out loud.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: It’s seriously the strongest book for warm feels and…

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: …I want to know more.

Andrew: Well, yeah, take a look through it all when you get a chance. I know you said you were a little behind.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: And tell me… I don’t know, maybe I’m just jaded but I feel like the content has slipped a little bit in terms of the new stuff from JK Rowling.

Micah: Didn’t we say we’re only going to talk positively about Pottermore?

Andrew: Well, I can’t help it! They’re doing this to me. I don’t want to say these things. It’s their fault.

Micah: Well, you only have a couple of episodes left.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: And you don’t have to say anything about Pottermore ever again.

Andrew: I’m still going to talk about it on Hype, so…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: …I’m just getting started.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: We’re going to continue with the news in just a moment, but first, today’s episode is brought to you by Audible.com. Audible is the Internet’s leading provider of audiobooks with more than 100,000 downloadable titles across all types of literature, including audio versions of many New York Times Bestsellers. For listeners of MuggleCast, as you know, Audible is offering you a free audiobook to give you a chance to try out their service that is perfect for summer. Today we are going to recommend Dan Brown’s latest novel – we mentioned New York Times Bestseller – Inferno. In the heart of Italy, Harvard professor of symbology Robert Langdon is drawn into a harrowing world centered on one of history’s most enduring and mysterious literary masterpieces, Dante’s Inferno. You can get the book for free by going to AudiblePodcast.com/MuggleCast and signing up for Audible, or for that matter you can get any great book on there. I’m recommending Inferno because Dan Brown books are great summer beach reads or wherever you’re going to be out and about this summer. Again, AudiblePodcast.com/MuggleCast. We thank Audible for their support of the show.


News: Annotated First Edition of Philosopher’s Stone Sold at Sotheby’s Auction


Andrew: Let’s talk about some positive Harry Potter news. JK Rowling’s annotated… she released this… there was this charity auction by Sotheby’s called “First Editions, Second Thoughts” – cool name – and they asked authors to take first edition copies of their books and annotate them. And JK Rowling did this with a first edition Philosopher’s Stone – very rare. She signed it, she wrote over one hundred… oh, sorry. 1,100 notes, words, in this book and she made 22 illustrations within the book. And if you click through some of the links, guys, you can see some pictures as well. [laughs] And she revealed a couple of interesting things in the annotations – again, things that should be in Pottermore.

Eric: I was going to say, this is Pottermore! [laughs]

Andrew: Yes! Right.

Eric: For $227,000, this is Pottermore Book 1.

Andrew: Yeah, here’s an example of something she unveiled: that the Pottermore house animal was originally a bear before it was a honey badger.

Eric: Oh, Hufflepuff you mean.

Andrew: And she wrote… oh yeah, sorry. And she wrote, “Perhaps Hufflepuff house would have the respect it deserves from the fans if I’d stayed with my original idea of a bear to represent it?”

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Like, come on. This is something that would do well in Pottermore.

Micah: What’s wrong with a badger?

Andrew: It’s a little…

Eric: [singing] “Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger…”

Micah: They’re fierce. Would you ever want to come across a badger, just in general life?

Andrew: Well, you know what? I’m glad you bring that up. I went to a zoo a couple of weeks ago and there was a honey badger… or a badger exhibit. And those things have some spunk. They were moving around a lot, they were playing with their toys. You know how a lot of animals at the zoo, they’re just kind of sitting around sleeping? This thing was alive. I mean, it was kicking. I was like, “Oh, okay. This is kind of a cool choice, Jo.”

Laura: Yeah, they don’t give a [censored].

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: If you had to rank the four in terms of which ones you’d least want to come in contact with, what would they be?

Eric: Snake would be the lowest.

Andrew: Yeah. Snake.

Micah: You’re least afraid of a snake?

Eric: No, no, no. Snake would be the least…

Andrew: No, most…

Eric: …person I’d want to come into contact, least animal that’s… but lions they’re cool. They’re just going to maul you if you upset them.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Ravens or… is it a raven or is it a different type of bird? It’s a…

Mic… It’s called Ravenclaw.

Eric: I realize that.

Laura: Yeah, I think it’s a raven.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: I realize that, but you still had to think about it, didn’t you, for a second? Ravens are fine. Tap, tap, tapping at the chamber door.

Laura: I was waiting for somebody to make that connection.

Eric: Yeah, thank you.

Laura: Anyway, go ahead.

Eric: And what’s the fourth one? What are we thinking? Oh yeah, badgers.

Micah: The badger.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: That’s the least scary, I would say.

Eric: Yeah, badgers are cool.

Andrew: JK Rowling also revealed something about how she invented Quidditch. She said she invented it after a fight with her boyfriend. She said, quote, “I had been pondering the things that hold a society together, cause it to congregate and signify its particular character and knew I needed a sport. [Quidditch] infuriates men, in my experience (why is the Snitch so valuable etc.), which is quite satisfying given my state of mind when I invented it.”

Eric: Umm, what?

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Well, because… well, I have heard this complaint before about Quidditch, it’s that all you would need to do is get the Snitch and it’s over. Everything else, every other aspect of the game, is kind of pointless. So yeah, she was pissed off at her boyfriend who apparently loves sports and she decided that she’s going to write a sport game for her book that pisses off men. [laughs] Pretty funny. I mean, again, Pottermore.

Laura: I like it.

Eric: I’ve never been aggravated over Quidditch until now. [laughs] Now, I’m aggravated over Quidditch.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: That it was some kind of hate sport or something that Jo did in a fit of rage against men.

Andrew: I think there was a couple of other sentences. She was saying how guys get so serious about sports or something like that. So anyway, that thing sold for $227,000 at a… at the first…

Laura: That’s amazing.

Andrew: Yeah. Charity, of course. So, good for Jo for supporting another charity.


News: New Study Finds Katniss Everdeen Has Replaced Harry Potter As Millennials’ Mascot


Andrew: We don’t have to make a big deal out of this story. I just found it interesting. A new study finds that Katniss Everdeen has replaced Harry Potter as the millennials’ mascot.

Laura: Lame.

Eric: They can’t do that, can they?

Laura: Super lame.

Eric: Can they do that, Laura? Can they do that?

Laura: I don’t know. I’m about to voice a very unpopular opinion. I don’t think…

Andrew: You don’t like…

Laura: Okay… no, it’s not that I don’t like The Hunger Games. I think it’s fine, but it is a bit like dystopia for dummies.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: It’s a book geared towards 12-year-olds, and I see all of these 40-year-old people taking it very seriously.

Andrew: Whoa.

Laura: And it just… it’s not… seriously, go read 1984. Go read Brave New World. Whatever.

Andrew: Well, Laura, no, you bring up a great point, but The Hunger Games is a kids, young adult book. It’s not for… I mean, adults do like it. My mom is a fan.

Laura: No, and I enjoyed them. When I read them, I thought they were very well written. They’re good books, but I think that they have been overplayed a bit. I think that people take them far too seriously. I don’t know. Maybe it’s just me.

Andrew: I think… no, no, no, you’re right. You’re right. A lot of people said this too on Twitter and Facebook. I mean, nobody says that Hunger Games is the new Harry Potter, but the reason this information was uncovered, in terms of Katniss being the new mascot of millennials, is actually not just because of the popularity of the franchise but because of things that Katniss reflects, specifically real world issues like economic turmoil, global political strife, and natural disasters. So she’s kind of relatable right now, whereas Harry Potter is not as much. Not to say that The Hunger Games has replaced Harry Potter, but this was a study conducted amongst 14 to 17 year olds. MTV did this study, and of course you could say, “Oh, MTV,” but this is like a serious arm of MTV and they do the study to see what is going to be popular in the 18 to 24-year-old demographics. So they monitor – however they conduct these studies – with 14 to 17-year-olds now to see what they’re about to get interested in.

Eric: Oh, that’s cool.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: I still call shenanigans.

Andrew: Okay. No, you bring up a good point about The Hunger Games. I haven’t read 1984.

Eric: Yeah. Then again, the people who are… the kids who are the millennials, that’s the people who were born after the year 2000, right? So in the last thirteen years? Because even though Harry Potter is our thing, we were born at the end of the ’80s, or early ’90s for some of us, but… so there is a ten year gap there where these kids just didn’t exist while this stuff was happening.

Andrew: Yeah. Well, not to get into semantics but doesn’t millennials just mean the new generation?

Eric: Yeah, so when does that start?

Laura: Well, yeah.

Eric: A generation is every twenty years because certainly… it’s right at this category between 14 to 17 and 18 to 24, because 14 years ago was ’99. So it’s like even if they were born, their first book release could have been the last one when they were six. Yeah, I don’t know.

Laura: Actually, it says… I’m looking at Wikipedia, so whatever.

Eric: Oh.

Micah: It’s got to be true.

Laura: But it says… [laughs] right? It actually says that commentators use beginning birth dates from the early 1980s to the early 2000s for millennials.

Eric: For millennials?

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: Wow.

Laura: So we are all millennials, and I do not support this Katniss Everdeen BS.

Andrew: [laughs] Well, Laura, you’re smart. That’s the difference.

Micah: I don’t either.

Laura: Micah, you’re smart.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Micah: Thanks. That’s the first compliment I’ve ever gotten on this show. In eight years.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: I’m sorry. [laughs]

Micah: Thanks, Laura. No, I agree. I just… I’m not a big fan of The Hunger Games either. I’ve read all of the books. Like Laura said, I thought they were well written, but I haven’t seen any of the movies. And I feel like with MTV doing this study, is it more that it’s relatable from the movie standpoint or the book standpoint? Because I feel like MTV is more Hollywood focused than it is literary focused.

Eric: I think they’re blurring the lines. I don’t think they want you to think of these things as only books or only movies or think of them separate. MTV and Hollywood in general is all about mass market, everything, the whole series it’s a franchise, it’s going to be on TV, it’s going to be in the bookstores, it’s going to be on the magazines, it’s going to be in the theaters. That’s what they’re looking for. So I think basically Hunger Games is coming in and Harry Potter is going out because short of theme park expansions, there’s nothing else happening. And so they want to see that there’s this new hero rising up because essentially that’s going to allow them to gear their marketing and basically focus everybody’s attention on the new thing.


News: Emma Watson to Star in Queen of the Tearling


Andrew: Well, if The Hunger Games isn’t your cup of tea then maybe a new series that’s going to star Emma Watson will be. So listen to this, I’m going to give you information and then I’m going to share a theory. And I think I’m spot on with this, so listen closely, okay?

Micah: I’m listening.

Andrew: Thank you, finally. So HarperCollins purchased a book trilogy called Queen of the Tearling by an author who’s never been published before. They purchased the rights to this book series for over a million dollars, which is unheard of for an unknown author. [laughs] It’s described as a female Game of Thrones, which has caused controversy in and of itself.

Micah: Oh, yeah.

Andrew: [laughs] You’re going to get hate for that. And so this book, the first book comes out next year, it’s a trilogy. Recently, Warner Bros. decided to purchase the movie rights to this series. Keep in mind, the first book hasn’t even been published yet. David Heyman is going to be producing and Emma Watson is going to be starring as the main character.

Laura: Aww, man.

Andrew: In a movie for a book that’s not even out yet.

Eric: So what’s your theory?

Andrew: Well, here’s my theory. Let me read a brief description of it first:

“The story is set three centuries after a small portion of the human race has populated a landmass that mysteriously emerged in the wake of an environmental catastrophe. The series follows nineteen-year-old princess Kelsea Glynn, who must reclaim her deceased mother’s throne and redeem her kingdom, the Tearling, from forces of corruption and dark magic of The Red Queen, the sorceress-tyrant of the neighboring country, Mortmesne.”

So presumably Emma Watson is going to play the nineteen-year-old princess, Kelsea Glynn. So here’s my theory: There’s three Harry Potter connections to this movie adaptation. HarperCollins spent over a million dollars for the rights to this. Warner Bros. probably spent an equal amount of money at least. My theory is that this is JK Rowling’s new series and she’s operating under a pen name.

[Eric laughs]

Laura: Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

Andrew: I mean, how can Warner Bros. feel so into this, David Heyman into this, and Emma Watson wanting to put her name on it already?

Eric: Yeah, it seems pretty huge considering the first book hasn’t even come out yet.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: That does seem like a huge vote of confidence for absolutely no reason.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: But I will say that if it were in fact the next JK Rowling project, I think she can do a little bit better than “The Red Queen” as a villain.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Really? Red Queen? Really?

Andrew: Yeah, it’s been used. But I’m excited for this. Maybe this could be the next… because there’s always got to be something next, right? We’ve had Harry Potter, Hunger Games, Twilight, Divergent seems to be potentially the next big new thing.

Micah: And don’t forget, HarperCollins also put together that page-to-screen book.

Andrew: Oh, okay. So there’s another little Harry Potter connection. I mean, I’m kind of kidding with my theory but JK Rowling has also been quiet lately. Like, what the heck has she been up to? You’re telling me she’s only working on that children’s book right now? Give me a break.

Laura: Yeah, and I mean, wasn’t there something about a political fairytale in there? This kind of sounds like it fits that bill.

Andrew: Oh, yeah.

Eric: Hmm.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s true.

Eric: So wait, who described it as a female Game of Thrones? I see that in the news post.

Andrew: The publisher.

Eric: Oh.

Andrew: And apparently, this author got the idea when watching Barack Obama make a speech about the environment or something like that. So some people are calling foul about this whole series already. They’re like, “Oh, HarperCollins is so desperate. They’re connecting it to Obama and female Game of Thrones already? Are you kidding me?”

Eric: So Micah and I, we should take a moment here – forgive us – to shed some light on this. Micah, we do a Game of Thrones podcast called Game of Owns. Micah, what do you think the female Game of Thrones… just calling it that, female Game of Thrones, what does that mean for books?

Micah: Well, I don’t think that I can say what I’m thinking on this podcast.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: I mean, are you thinking…

Laura: Let it out!

Eric: …male frontal nudity, male sex slaves, and girl dragons?

Micah: No, it was actually quite the opposite of that. But…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Well, no, that’s what… the opposite of that is what Game of Thrones is, [laughs] so what are you thinking here?

Andrew: Well, aren’t there male rulers in Game of Thrones, I guess, and now this appears to be female rulers?

Eric: Yeah, no…

Andrew: Excuse my ignorance towards the Game of Thrones series.

Eric: You’re forgiven. No, that’s true. Okay, I get it.

Andrew: Micah can’t see past the dirty side of a female Game of Thrones.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Anyway, I’m excited for this series. I mean, gosh…

Eric: Did you say they’re all being published this year? Or…

Andrew: No, the first book is being published next year or so.

Eric: Okay.

Andrew: Well, I mean if Emma Watson is already attached, they must have an idea of when they’re going to film. So maybe they could start shooting as soon as next year.

Eric: Yeah, this is unbelievable.

Andrew: 2015?

Eric: This is just like…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …one of those stories that just all of a sudden, there’s so much going on with something that you’ve never heard of before.

Andrew: Yeah. I want to get my hands on one of those advance readers copies since… there’s got to be some out there.

Micah: It’s just weird that they do refer to it as a female version of Game of Thrones because there are very strong female characters in that series and they are power players and they have been up to the five books now that have been released. So…

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Micah: …to get a little bit more insight as to what they mean by that.

Andrew: I think it may have been like a cheap publicity grab to get people’s attention, maybe.

Micah: Because Game of Thrones is so mainstream right now.

Andrew: Right. Well, and that’s again why I feel like there’s a… this is like being penned by JK Rowling because they feel so desperate to make sure that it actually gets noticed that they use “female Game of Thrones.” I don’t know.

Eric: You know what, though? They wouldn’t need to use these things, like Barack Obama, female Game of Thrones, if it were JK Rowling doing it. They could just say, “JK Rowling, new trilogy. See ya!” You know?

Andrew: No, but that’s the thing. What if she wants to operate… write a new series under a name that isn’t… you know what I mean? She wants to…

Eric: Yeah, it’s a good theory.

Andrew: …be out of the public spotlight.

Eric: Yeah, but would she really stay in fantasy and not do Harry Potter? That would upset me, is if she kept doing fantasy books that weren’t Harry Potter. [laughs] It’s like just send them in the world of Harry Potter.

Andrew: Hmm.

Eric: Make a new kingdom. Make a castle. Do whatever. Make a continent appear in the middle of the ocean. I don’t care what you have to do. Just keep it Harry Potter.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: Within the realm of fantasy. Sorry if that’s a rant there.

Andrew: No, no. Laura, the political fairytale thing, I had forgotten about that. That was a good point as well.

MuggleCast 266 Transcript (continued)


News: 15th Anniversary Chamber of Secrets US Paperback Cover Released


Andrew: So anyway, moving on in the news here. We know that there are new Harry Potter paperbacks coming out with brand-new covers. The second one, Chamber of Secrets, we got to see the cover. It was unveiled at Book Expo America. It features Harry and Ron flying in the Ford Anglia – Angela, Anglia, whatever – and arriving at the Burrow. It’s a nice cover. I think I prefer Sorcerer’s Stone’s cover better.

Laura: Yeah, this one’s a bit cartoonish-looking, isn’t it?

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: I mean, I think it’s really nice, but I’ve personally never understood why we have to redesign the covers.

Eric: Really, though…

Andrew: Their reasoning is to apply to a new generation of readers.

Eric: Yeah, because this is…

Laura: Okay…

Eric: …more in tune with, I guess, what readers are typically seeing when you go into the bookstore with new books. They… I just picked up… just the other day, on the twentieth, I was in a bookstore, and it was the same bookstore that I got Order of the Phoenix from, actually, but I picked up Amulet, which is the series that this guy, Kazu Kibuishi, writes and illustrates. And again… well, just like any manga, but certain elements of the cover – it’s cartoonish and this, that, the other thing. So I think it is just kind of trying to break free into the new era with these books. The cover itself, the design, is okay. I actually really like the cover except for the fact that twice now in a row, he’s picked this scene of Harry going into the wider world. The first one is in Diagon Alley, the next one is at the Burrow and it’s like Harry is among family. But I don’t really see that as the exact depiction of Chamber of Secrets for all of the stuff that happens in Chamber of Secrets. So that’s my problem with it. But I think, in general, once they reveal… because all seven of these are coming out at once, this August, right? So two months? So they really need to speed up the process of removing these… or revealing these. But I think, in general, it’s really not that bad. If you look at the classic Harry Potter books – I’m going to probably get in trouble for saying this – but I think they are dated, old, a little obscure for me. Not the later ones. Goblet is my favorite, I think, cover-wise, but the first three where it’s like a big phoenix, he’s on the tail, and it’s like, “Ah, it’s Quidditch! Ah!”

[Laura laughs]

Eric: I think it could use a revamp. I’m about ready for a revamp.

Andrew: It’s interesting, you bring up why he chose this moment. Hypable spoke to the illustrator at Book Expo America and he revealed some interesting stuff. He said that Chamber of Secrets was actually the most challenging cover because for each one of these covers, he would think of, “Okay, what is the moment in the book that reflects the entire story?” And he had a… he could pick out a particular moment for each of the books except for Chamber of Secrets. He said:

“‘Chamber of Secrets’ was hard – it does so much. It’s like a Swiss army knife book because it sets up the mythology and it continues to entertain. And after the second book, I don’t think you can expect what comes next. It was an extension of the first book. That’s how I felt.”

Micah: I don’t know…

Andrew: So he said Prisoner of Azkaban’s cover was the easiest to design. That one was instant for him. And by the way, Chamber of Secrets, that’s the first one he actually illustrated and it kind of paved the way for the rest of the covers. Go ahead, Micah.

Micah: No, I would almost say that doesn’t the story in Book 2 tie more to Book 6 and parts of 7 than anything else? So I don’t really know why he was saying that it was an extension of 1.

Andrew: Yeah, I don’t know. He’s got his own thoughts.

Micah: Not to pick apart his own analysis of his own illustrations.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Well, what else are we going to do to cover sixty minutes on this show?

Micah: What else should we do here?

Andrew: Right. [laughs]

Micah: Yeah, exactly. So…

Andrew: He also said that JK…

Micah: And these are… sorry.

Andrew: Oh, go ahead.

Micah: No, you said the rest of these are going to be released over the summer?

Andrew: Well, all the books – like Eric pointed out – come out August 28th or something, and they’re rolling out each cover one by one. And as Eric pointed out, we’re only two months away and they have like six more covers [laughs] or five more covers to reveal. So hopefully it’ll come out quick.

Micah: And there’s no new content, right?

Andrew: No.

Micah: This is just completely new covers.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: I know we talked about it a little bit because I have the tenth anniversary edition of Sorcerer’s Stone which has some new illustrations from Mary GrandPrÈ and also… I forget if there’s any new content in there. I think there might be just a small piece that’s written by JK Rowling. But I guess they did away with that idea as well, right? They just stopped at Sorcerer’s Stone

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: …as far as ten-year anniversary…

Eric: Yeah, yeah, because they need to release them…

Andrew: There’s going to be…

Eric: They need to stagger them as opposed to doing them all at once.

Andrew: There’s also going to be new art on the box set, so there’s seven more… or six more pieces of art we get to look forward to.

Eric: You know, this is the most interesting paragraph of this news story though, about Prisoner of Azkaban’s cover. Can I just read it from Hypable? It says:

“Though ‘Chamber of Secrets’ was the most difficult cover, ‘Prisoner of Azkaban’ was the easiest. ‘That one was instant. I knew exactly what I had to do. And I showed it to [Scholastic], and I did a sketch. I knew exactly what I had to draw for that one and I did it in five minutes. When I did all the other ones, it took me some time, hours, just to come up with a good composition.’

The ‘Prisoner of Azkaban’ one stood out so much that it ended up leading the overall design for the remaining six covers. ‘I had just done the ‘Prisoner of Azkaban’ one – it was nothing like the rest. And then I got the notes back from Scholastic, and they said, ‘We love THAT one. That’s the one. Can you make the rest like that?’ And I was like, ‘Yes I can.’ So everything that you see now is derived from what happened on the third cover. Scholastic loved 3 and 4.'”

Andrew: Ah.

Eric: So maybe he’s just warming up with these book covers, I’m telling you. “3” and “4”…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: …seem pretty exciting because they’re Scholastic’s favorite.

Andrew: Yeah. Sorry, earlier I said that Chamber of Secrets drove all the other covers, but…

Eric: Yeah. No, but… okay, so he just had an issue with the book, like… he was stumped on Chamber. That’s fine. I guess there’s always a weak link, so maybe this is… I still like it.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: I still like it. I just think for the whole book, maybe a different scene… whatever.

Andrew: JK Rowling approves of the new covers by the way, from what he heard. He hasn’t spoken to her, but from what he heard, she was really appreciative that there’s new cover art. And he said…

Micah: We know what that’s like.

Andrew:[laughs] he was nervous when JK Rowling was taking a look at all the art. Understandably so. He also said that Deathly Hallows’s cover, his Deathly Hallows cover, pays tribute to Mary GrandPrÈ’s.

Eric: Hmm.

Andrew: So… and I think he alluded that it’s the color scheme, so I think that one is going to have the same colors. That may be it. It was an interesting cover selection. I remember talking about that on the days of MuggleCast…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: …when we discussed the book covers.

Eric: We thought that it was like in a coliseum by the veil…

Laura: [laughs] Yeah.

Eric: …and that the roof of the Ministry had been blown off. You guys remember this? [laughs]

Laura: [laughs] Yeah.

Eric: Because there were columns. And what does it end up being? It’s Hogwarts, isn’t it?

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: No seriously, he looked like he was in freakin’ Rome or something.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: I was like, “What the hell is this?”

Andrew: Harry and Voldemort are going to Rome!

Eric: Well, there are columns in all of her work. Like, there are columns in the first Harry Potter book. That’s why it’s just, for me, it’s time for a kick out for…

Micah: Well, actually [laughs] if you guys remember too, I think it was the British deluxe version that had the dragon on it.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: And three of us on this show – Andrew, you weren’t there; I think it was Eric, Laura, and I – [laughs] did an entire episode, probably for about ninety minutes…

[Eric laughs]

Micah: …on the Antipodean Opaleye.

Eric: Opaleye, yes!

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: Oh, my God! [laughs]

Eric: I was so pleased because…

Laura: How did we do that?

Eric: …it’s an Australian dragon and I was living down there.

Micah: It was such deep analysis, too. It was completely and utterly off-base…

Eric: It was fine!

Micah: …but man, that was one of the best episodes…

Eric: We were looking at the dragon, it looked blind… or no, it looked like it had an opal eye, and it turned out that it was just blind from sitting in the dark underneath Gringotts the whole time.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Eric: Oops. Yeah, sorry. Geez.

Andrew: I think that was the deluxe US edition, by the way. But yeah, that was a cool cover.

Eric: Yeah. We looked in Fantastic Beasts

Andrew: I just want to be accurate.

Eric: …we read the bio from Fantastic Beasts… I’m still bitter over this. But it was some smart work sleuthing on our part, I think.

Andrew: Let’s move on…

Eric: I still call it the Opaleye. [laughs]

Andrew: …to some other stuff now. This news cracks me up.

Eric: Okay, go on.


News: Daniel Radcliffe Did Not Shoot Scenes for Wizarding World Expansion


Andrew: So we all know that there’s going to be an expansion in the Wizarding World of Harry Potter. It’s going to be this Diagon Alley land, it’s going to be at Universal Studios Hollywood, and the Hogwarts Express is connecting the two lands. So apparently there’s going to be a ride, a Gringotts thrill ride, and…

Micah: Is that where goblins jump on your roller coaster and…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, sure.

Micah: …try and tear off your face?

Andrew: Sure.

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Warwick Davis is working full time there.

Eric: [laughs] What, Micah? What?

Andrew: We’ve heard that Rupert Grint…

Micah: These are just the rumors I’ve heard.

Andrew: We’ve heard that Rupert Grint and Helena Bonham Carter have filmed scenes for this ride, but not Dan Radcliffe. Don’t expect him to be involved. So he was interviewed recently [laughs] about avoiding the Harry Potter stereotype – or the stigma, whatever you want to call it, typecast – about how he’s done so much work to establish himself outside of the series. Of course, that’s true. He did Equus, How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying, he’s done some movies since then. [laughs] So he says:

“The theme parks are expanding and there was an enquiry whether I’d do more filming from them and I was like: No, I can’t get away with that anymore, I’d just look foolish. I’d never totally close the door [to returning to Potter] for the reason that Jo’s a great writer. But no more school boy stuff.”

He added:

“I’m 23, which is too old to be running round in a school boy’s cape.”

Laura: Well, I guess he has never been to a Harry Potter convention.

Andrew: Right.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Burn.

Eric: You know…

Andrew: Freakin’ burn, Dan.

Eric: …today is the day I pack for LeakyCon and because Dan Radcliffe has said this, I’m not going to be able to take my robes. Damn.

[Andrew, Laura, and Micah laugh]

Eric: I have to admit there comes a time where you have to admit to yourself, “Okay, I’m over 23. What would Dan Rad do? Dan Rad would not wear a cape.”

Andrew: So you’re serious? You’re not bringing your cloak?

Eric: Pfft, I’m going to take the cloak.

Andrew: Oh.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Eric: Even though I’m a Pottermore Hufflepuff, my robes are Gryffindor. I’m still taking those robes.

Laura: But didn’t he actually just record content for the new Trivial Pursuit game like eight months ago? I think he did.

Andrew: Are you being serious?

Laura: Yeah, I’m being serious right now.

Micah: Well, that’s more sophisticated though, Laura. That’s more sophisticated than getting dressed up as a…

Andrew: School boy.

Micah: …wizard.

Laura: Right.

Eric: Yeah, yeah. That’s Trivial Pursuit, Laura. That’s… next stop is host of Jeopardy after that.

Laura: [laughs] I mean, okay…

Micah: He’s going to replace Alex Trebek.

Laura: I understand where he’s coming from though.

Eric: So was it video for Trivial Pursuit, Laura? Do you know?

Laura: It was voiceover material.

Eric: Still a big deal.

Laura: Yeah. I mean, I don’t know. I kind of understand where he’s coming from. There does need to be a line drawn somewhere because otherwise he’s going to be, like, forty and they’re going to be like, “Hey, come film this material. We’ll do Harry Potter and the Nursing Home.”

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: But I’m not sure that it needed to be drawn where it was drawn. I mean, I feel like he’s still young enough that he could get away with filming ten minutes of material for the theme park. But he’s probably thinking, if I don’t draw the line somewhere I’ll be doing this for the next twenty years. So I kind of get where he’s coming from.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: And also my perspective is… Laura, you may see these commercials, being so close to Florida. I mean, I see them here in LA. There are these commercials for Universal that run with Dan Radcliffe as Harry Potter, and I feel like he’s seeing those, or his people tells them that these are still running. And there’s that typecast still happening on TV on a daily basis…

Eric: Right. So it’s persisting his image as being Harry.

Andrew: Right. It’s still happening. He’s still being typecast in his role because of these commercials. So maybe he’s thinking, if I were to do new stuff for Universal then a whole new advertising campaign with my face on it is going to be appearing. Now, I wonder if they are going to use his face… because surely there’s going to be an advertising campaign for this new expansion, I wonder if he’s going to appear on it like a new image or they’re going to use the old image that they’ve used.

Eric: Yeah, it’s probably going to be that same clip of him flying up on a broomstick and saying, “Come on!”

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Because that’s…

Andrew: But that doesn’t make sense because… I don’t know, it’s going to be interesting.

Micah: They’re going to use Warwick Davis, as you pointed out earlier. He’s going to be the new face for the Wizarding World.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Laura: No, it’s just going to be Helena Bonham Carter and Rupert Grint. Those are the only people who are going to be on that ride.

Micah: And what they do in that commercial is up to your imagination.

Eric: [laughs] No, I think that Dan… the good thing about Dan is – and maybe it’s just he’s really smart about quotes – he doesn’t seem bitter at all in this quote. Every actor kind of has a bitter phase, I feel, regarding a role that is so beloved and they want to go off and do different things. That’s not really what Dan is saying. Dan is saying, he feels like he’s too old as an afterthought but in general he’s just tried to do so much more. So I do think that he is moving on and this Harry Potter thing is… he did say, he’d never say no again. So really, it’s just no, but no to this. So I don’t think he’s bitter, is what I’m trying to say. I think he’s just really kind of being smart about it. You guys are right with the marketing that’s probably going to happen around this expansion once it comes out.

Micah: I don’t even see why he needs to say anything. Just…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Who’s asked the question?

[Laura laughs]

Micah: …don’t do it. Just don’t do it. Like, what’s the big deal?

Laura: Just shut up, Dan. Stop talking.

Micah: [laughs] I mean, talk about typecasting. He’s eight films too late for typecasting. So…

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: That’s just how I see it. But yeah, he has… do whatever you want. I would just think though, that the theme park would be something that you would want to continue to be a part of because it does… at some point you are going to get to that age where you’re not going to be able to do these types of things anymore and I get the idea of wanting to move on and say enough is enough, but it would just be weird for them to do anything promotional around this theme park without him being a part of it.

Andrew: And this totally burns Rupert Grint, by the way.

Laura: Oh, I know!

Andrew: I mean, that guy…

Micah: Grow up, Rupert!

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Yeah! You dork!

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Let it go.

Laura: God, what a tool!

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: I’m looking forward to it being some scenes with Ron for once, giving him a more active role, seeing as how Dan will not be doing something. I…

Andrew: Well, I bet Dan will still show up in it. They’re going to use scenes from the movie in the ride. I bet that’s how they’ll work around it.

Eric: You think so?

Andrew: Yeah, because they could easily do that. I don’t think that would be a problem.

Eric: I don’t know, considering…

Micah: Grow up, Helena.

Eric: Yeah, grow up Helena. [laughs]

Andrew: We still don’t know if Emma Watson is involved, so…

Micah: Grow up, Emma.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Micah: Well, apparently she is. She’s doing a female version of Game of Thrones.

Eric: Yeah, she’s all grown up.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: I’m not even going to… let’s move on.

Andrew: And little side note, it looks like the expansion is probably going to open next summer, which is no surprise.

Micah: Oh, let’s go.

Andrew: So that’s all the news.

Micah: Vacation? You guys want to go?

Andrew: Yeah, of course I want to go. I don’t want to go right when it’s opening, unless I’m going as press because the lines are going to be awful.

Eric: Yeah, they need to…

Laura: No, we’ll just go hang out and get bombed in the Three Broomsticks. It’s fine.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, that land will be empty.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Because everybody will be over at the expansion.

Eric: I’m just…

Laura: Exactly.

Eric: …waiting for them to tear down the wall for one park pass. Come on, guys.

Micah: Yeah, we’ll go drink, as Laura said, in the Three Broomsticks with Rupert and Helena…

[Laura laughs]

Micah: …who have sold their souls apparently to Universal.

Eric: Yeah, they’re actually appearing daily in the park now.

Micah: Along with Warwick Davis.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]


Make the Music Connection


Andrew: It’s now time to play Make the Music Connection.

Laura: Shoot.

Andrew: While we wrap up the show, I thought we could make a throwback to some old segments. I think that was the plan anyway, when we decided we’re going to end this show.

[Andrew, Eric, and Laura laugh]

Laura: I’m going to be so bad at this. I haven’t played this in forever.

Andrew: Well, you can make your answers…

Micah: Neither have we.

Andrew: …as basic as possible. It’s okay.

Laura: All right.

Andrew: So I figure we could pick some top forty tunes because we want to be down with the kids, even though we may… we’re barely… we’re scrapping the edge of the millennial…

Micah: We’re too old to wear wizard robes anymore.

Andrew: [laughs] Man, what would Dan think of this podcast? Ugh, I shudder at the thought. [laughs] So, who wants to go first?

Laura: I’ll go first.

Eric: Yeah, Laura.

Andrew: Okay, that’s the spirit.

Laura: Yeah, woo!

Andrew: Also, because you have to leave soon.

Laura: Yeah. [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] So have you heard the song “I Love It” by Icona Pop?

Laura: Uhhh, I don’t know.

Andrew: It’s been… do you listen to top forty radio?

Laura: No.

Andrew: Oh. Well, then you’re going to… [laughs]

Laura: [laughs] I’m going to…

Andrew: What do you listen to these days, Laura?

Laura: You… I listen to a lot of Spanish music and…

Andrew: Oh, geez.

Laura: No, but I like a lot of folk punk music, like Frank Turner who is amazing. If you guys don’t know who he is…

Andrew: What?

Laura: …you should go look him up.

Micah: That doesn’t sound Spanish.

Laura: I know, but… I switched. I said I listen to a lot of Spanish music and a lot of folk punk music. Right?

Micah: Oh, okay.

Laura: So… and then a lot of my musical tastes stayed the same from…

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: …the last time we talked, which was on MuggleCast 230.

Andrew: So basically…

MuggleCast 266 Transcript (continued)


Make the Music Connection (continued)


Eric: Green Day, right?

Laura: Their new stuff is really bad.

Eric: Oh, really?

Andrew: Oh.

Laura: [laughs] It’s really, really bad.

Eric: I’m sorry.

Micah: They’ve been around a long time.

Laura: Yeah, they need to stop.

Eric: Awww.

Laura: But yeah, whatever you want to pick, throw it at me.

Andrew: Okay.

Laura: Just throw it at me, Andrew.

Andrew: Here’s a… well, this is appropriate for you. Here’s Selena Gomez’s most recent single.

Laura: Oh, great!

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: There’s that… oh, that’s good.

Eric: Careful, Andrew, I wouldn’t play music…

Micah: Well done.

Eric: …by any millennial who is now supporting Katniss Everdeen. I’d be careful about it.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Here is “Come and Get It.” Give this one a shot.

[“Come and Get It” by Selena Gomez plays]

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: What the hell is this?

[Micah laughs]

[Song continues]

Laura: What the hell? This is like Enya on crack.

[Eric laughs]

[Song continues and ends]

Andrew: What did you say? I didn’t hear you.

Laura: I said this is like Enya on crack. What is this?

Andrew: Oh. [laughs] I thought that was going to be your answer.

Laura: Yeah, no.

Andrew: “So when you’re ready, come and get it.”

Laura: Yeah, I mean…

Andrew: “You ain’t got to worry, it’s an open invitation.”

Laura: Yeah, yeah. So obviously what I think of is that final moment between Harry and Voldemort, where they’re circling around the Great Hall and Harry is just like, “Hey, just feel a little bit of remorse, man. Just accept that you’ve been wrong,” and Voldemort is like, “No,” and then Harry kills him. Boom.

Andrew: Okay. Interesting.

[Laura laughs]

Micah: Well done. Very well done.

[Someone applauds in the background]

Andrew: [laughs] Good job. You said you’re rusty at this.

Laura: Oh, I am. You have no idea.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: I can’t even… basically, how old is she? She’s like 12? Anybody under 20, I actually can’t understand them. So when they talk to me, it’s like all I hear is that, basically.

Eric: Laura, I have the same exact problem.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Don’t worry. It’s not you.

Laura: It’s them. It’s the Millennials.

Andrew: Our next choice is for Eric, and this is in honor of our mutual friend, Adam Bromberg.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: It’s the new Taylor Swift single, “22.”

[“22” by Taylor Swift plays]

Andrew: I actually… I’ve got to admit, I really like this song.

Eric: Yeah, I do too.

[Song continues]

Micah: I don’t.

[Song continues and ends]

Andrew: So make the connection.

Eric: It’s tough because you leave Hogwarts when you’re 17, so the 22 part of it doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense, but I think of it as a girls’ night. Things… like Hermione and Ginny are always seen as hanging out in the books and they’re close, but we never see it. There’s never a scene where Hermione and Ginny are hanging out unless it’s time to save the world and they have to go their separate ways…

Micah: What kind of scene are you looking for?

Eric: I’m looking for a pajama padded feet, common room fire, talk about their exes kind of thing. So yeah, I’m all over it. If we…

Micah: Not what I was looking for.

Eric: …could change [laughs] 22 to 16 and have them just hanging around the common room, or the girls’ dormitory, or something. Just a girls’ night in Hogsmeade, maybe a girls’ weekend in Hogsmeade, something like that. Maybe they do that when they’re 22, after leaving Hogwarts.

Micah: A visit to the Shrieking Shack?

Eric: Something like that.

Laura: Micah, you are so dirty.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: He really is. He was hoping for a female Game of Thrones scene in Eric’s description.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: All right, and finally, Micah, and then we’ll say goodbye to Laura. Here is “Started from the Bottom” by Drake.

[“Started from the Bottom” by Drake plays]

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: This is the edited version. Don’t worry, there’s no inappropriate words.

[Song continues]

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: It sounds very inappropriate to me.

[Song continues and ends]

Andrew: All right, so you know Drake, popular artist, Amanda Bynes is really into him.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: “Started from the Bottom.”

Laura: He started from the bottom for his team, right? Hmm.

Andrew: [laughs] Whose team? What?

Micah: [laughs] What?

Laura: Didn’t he…

Eric: It’s the lyrics.

Laura: I can’t understand what he was saying. I thought that’s what he said.

Andrew: Oh. Maybe.

Micah: His Quidditch team, of course, Laura, is what he is referring to.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: I can see that as entrance music for the Gryffindor Quidditch team.

Laura: Oh, my God. That’s like…

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: It’s like hazing music for their Quidditch team.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: Start at the bottom.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] Oh, God.

Laura: [laughs] Sorry.

Andrew: Well, Laura, it’s been a pleasure having you on. Maybe we’ll get you on the final episode as well. We know you have to go.

Laura: Yeah, this is the part where Andrew’s like, “Okay, get off the show. You’re being too inappropriate.”

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: But yeah, thanks for having me…

Andrew: No, you have to leave. You have to leave, right?

Laura: Yeah, yeah, I have to go. But thank you for having me. It was so fun talking to you guys.

Andrew: Yeah, it was. It was great. You added some great insight as usual; you were the voice of reason. So thank you for coming on.

Laura: All right. Bye, guys. Love you!

Andrew: All right, bye.

Micah: Bye.

Andrew: Oh, please upload your audio file before you go.

Laura: Yup.

Andrew: Can you do that?

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: Okay, great. Thank you.

Laura: All right. Buh-bye.

Andrew: All right. Bye. All right. Boy, she’s really lost her touch, hasn’t she?

Eric: [laughs] It’s sad. I was in tears.

Andrew: I’m kidding. I’m kidding. [laughs] No, that was good. It was nice to have her on.

Eric: Oh wait, you didn’t do a Music Connection.

Andrew: Okay, what song do you want me to do? Name one and I’ll play it.

Eric: “Blurred Lines.”

Andrew: “Blurred Lines”?

Eric: Yeah. I have it on my phone if you need it.

Andrew: No, it’s okay. I’ve got it. Okay, “Blurred Lines” by Robin Thicke.

[“Blurred Lines” by Robin Thicke (feat. TI and Pharrell Williams) plays]

[Eric laughs]

[Song continues]

Micah: MuggleCast rocking out here.

[Andrew laughs]

[Song continues]

Andrew: Okay, so…

[Song continues and ends]

Andrew: This song, everybody is talking about this song right now. I don’t know why. It’s catchy, I guess. Okay, so this is…

Micah: It’s all the rage.

Andrew: This is Rita Skeeter’s love song to Harry. If you can’t hear what I’m trying to say, if you can’t read from the same page, maybe I’m going deaf, maybe I’m going blind, maybe I’m out of my mind. She wants Rita… or Rita wants Harry to pay attention to the lies that she’s spreading.

Eric: Yeah, you know you want it.

Andrew: In fact, she wants all… [laughs] yeah. She wants all of the wizarding world to pay attention to what that Quick-Quotes Quill is writing down on that parchment.

Eric: I think that’s brilliant.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Yeah, nice work.

Micah: I can’t even find something dirty to say about that, so…

Andrew: Oh, thank God.

Micah: …you did a good job.

Andrew: Thank goodness. Nothing about Rita Skeeter, huh?

[Micah laughs]


Favorites: Best Character in Order of the Phoenix


Andrew: Let’s move on now to our Favorites segment. In honor of the Order of the Phoenix ten-year anniversary, I thought we should do something Order of the Phoenix-themed. So, how about best character in Order of the Phoenix? Your favorite character while you were reading it. Who was your favorite? I can give you an answer right now for me. My favorite was Professor Umbridge.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: In fact, she was one of my favorite characters in the Harry Potter series.

Eric: Controversial. [laughs]

Andrew: But she was just so wickedly evil. It was beautiful. I just loved her. It’s kind of like a love-to-hate sort of thing. It was just so fun to hate on her and to see her finally get screwed over by the end of the book. It was great.

Eric: Yeah, I want to say Sirius Black because I miss the poor fellow, but I’m actually going to stray from that and just say that Firenze was a cool character to see again in that book. Remember, he taught… was it Divination? In lieu of Professor Trelawney’s leaving, for a couple of months. So yeah, Firenze gets my own.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Your own?

[Eric laughs]

Micah: So I would have to go with Hagrid. I think that you get a lot of insight into his character in this book when he comes back with… from going on his little adventure with Madame Maxime and sort of parlaying with the giants. He brings Grawp back, and it was interesting getting more backstory on him, his family, and learning about his travels and what he encountered on the way. And it was a big moment also for Harry, Ron, and Hermione when he returned because he had been such a pillar, really, of their lives the first couple of years that they were at Hogwarts, and him not being there for a while, I think, added to the negative feeling that was there for most of the first half, three-quarters of Order of the Phoenix. And once he returns I felt like things started to take shape again.

Eric: Yeah. Good point.


Listener Tweets/Facebook Comments: Daniel Radcliffe’s Decision to Not Shoot Scenes for Wizarding World Expansion


Andrew: And our final segment for today, as usual, we like to ask you what you thought about something in particular via Twitter and Facebook and get your responses. We have some of them now. We asked about Dan Radcliffe’s decision to not appear in the Wizarding World expansion.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: Zemmer wrote:

“It’s a bit selfish but makes sense in WWoHP. Harry is supposed to be in Hogwarts and he can’t be in two places at the same time.”

Eric: Ah!

Andrew: Interesting. That’s sort of like the whole Mickey Mouse thing at Disney World. You never see Mickey twice, even though there are like six of them all over the park. [laughs]

Eric: That’s genius. [laughs]

Andrew: DHfan said:

“He’s probably embarrassed of being Harry, now that he is establishing himself as an artsy far sty type. ‘Too old’ is a lame excuse!”

Lia wrote:

“How [are] a couple of scenes going to hurt him? I think he’s being a bit of a diva. Typecasting will be happening for him either way.”

Mariah wrote:

“I think that it’s a bit selfish. It’s one tiny film for the WWoHP, not another entire movie!”

All valid points. Those were people who responded on our Twitter, Twitter.com/MuggleCast. Over on Facebook, which is Facebook.com/MuggleCast, Megan wrote:

“Dan is overreacting. In case he hasn’t noticed, his face is all over the theme park. Shooting a few more scenes won’t change that. Other actors embrace the franchises that made them big name actors. He should be doing the same then moving on to do some other things.”

Eric: Can I just say stop, people? [laughs] Stop saying that he’s selfish, that he’s bitter.

Andrew: Awww.

Eric: Yeah, really though. He’s not selfish, okay? It’s… there’s this prevailing mode of thought that because we like something, that it’s our franchise, Harry Potter, that he somehow owes us to continue appearing as Harry in these new endeavors and adventures. I just don’t think that’s the case. But I also don’t think… as I said before, I don’t think he’s bitter about it. I don’t think he’s trying to [censored] all over Harry Potter; I just think he is moving on. I thought it was a valid question: What will little scenes do? He’s already plastered all over the theme park. But maybe that’s why he’s doing it.

Andrew: Here are some comments that take your stance on it. Andrew wrote:

“I don’t think he is overreacting. He gave a lot of his life to the role of Harry Potter, but if he ever wants to get any other big roles he needs to be seen as flexible, and shooting scenes as Harry again could ruin that for him. It’s true ‘Harry Potter’ started his career, but that’s a start and he does need to be able to move on.”

Maggie writes:

“No, he’s not overreacting. They are older than the characters now and he is working on new things. If you’d been doing the same thing for 90% of your life you’d want a change, too.”

So there you go. Not everybody is on Team Hate Dan.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: But I sure am!

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Well, maybe he was just… his thoughts were when the theme park originally opened that this was going to be a one time thing, that it wasn’t going to be something where the park was going to expand, then a couple of years later they’re going to be asking him to do this again.

Andrew: True.

Micah: It was definitely important for his face to be on the theme park when it originally opened. It would have been weird if that wasn’t the case. He was even there for that grand opening. So I think an even better question to ask is when this thing expands, or when it opens in LA or when it opens in Japan, will he be there? Or will he just decide that in addition to not filming things it’s just enough in the sense that “what’s done is done” and “I’m moving forward” and… because if he doesn’t want to do something that is as simple as shoot a couple-of-seconds video, why would he…

Andrew: Show up.

Micah: Why would he show up?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: It may just be a legit scheduling conflict, too. I mean, to be perfectly honest, people who are doing other projects, et cetera… like, if he doesn’t come to the premiere it’s probably because he’s shooting a movie.

Andrew: Yeah, that could be. Remember, Emma Watson wasn’t there, I think, because she was shooting something.

Eric: I’m trying to think, both Dan and Emma were not at the Home Entertainment Celebration at the park. Oh, but Rupert was! [gasps] Oh, but Rupert was! They must really have him…

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: …in contracts or something. He got renewed and didn’t know it or something.

Andrew: Oh, that poor guy. He almost had a comedy on CBS and CBS decided not to pick it up.

Eric: [sighs] I know. But did you see that pilot?

Andrew: It’s not out yet.

Eric: Oh. Well, neither did I.

Andrew: They haven’t released it. Did you?

Eric: No.

Andrew: [laughs] I don’t think it’s ever going to see the light of day because it wasn’t picked up…

Eric: Super Clyde!

Andrew: …for a series. If it was picked up…

Micah: He tried to trick you right there.

Andrew: If it was picked up, we would have had a trailer by now and some photos. But nope, nope, nope.


Show Close


Andrew: Anyway, that concludes MuggleCast Episode 266. It’s been a fun episode. We tried to get another host on this week, another classic host, but it didn’t pan out. So the next two episodes we will be doing the same thing. Like I mentioned to Laura, hopefully we’ll have her on the final episode. And it’s been fun. So quick plug for Hype, the podcast we do over on Hypable.com talking about Harry Potter, of course, but other things as well – Games of Thrones, whatever has been hot in fandom over the most recent two-week period we are talking about, including… we had an interesting discussion this week about $48 movie tickets. Have you guys heard about these things now?

Eric: No.

Andrew: Paramount introduced a $48 movie ticket for World War Z, and my short answer was that it won’t work for World War Z but it would work for super fans like in Harry Potter or Hunger Games or that kind of franchise. Anyway, those are the type of things we talk about. It’s a really fun show, so you can try it out at Hypable.com.

Micah: What does a $48 ticket give you?

Andrew: It gives you a small popcorn, it gives you…

Eric: A small popcorn? Stop right there! [laughs]

Andrew: You get to see the movie two days early, you get glasses that you get to keep – 3D glasses that you get to keep – you get a poster, and you get a free digital copy of the movie when it’s released later this year. And I think one other thing.

Micah: What if you hate the movie?

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Right?

Eric: It’s kind of like putting both your feet in.

Andrew: That’s why it doesn’t work for World War Z because it’s not really… it’s based on a book, but it’s not really that established of a franchise. But if they did that for Harry Potter, it would do well.

Eric: Well, did you see World War Z? Just off-topic but…

Andrew: No. I’ve heard it’s good though.

Eric: I’ve heard good things but never specific good things. We should plug Game of Owns. It’s our Game of Thrones podcast that Micah and I are a part of, and currently we are reading the second Game of Thrones book which is called A Clash of Kings. And we’re doing that, three episodes weekly, going through those book chapters and diving into the material with the view of someone who has seen the TV series.

Andrew: And as always, you can visit the MuggleCast website and find links to our Twitter, our Facebook, and the fan Tumblr, and listen to all the other older episodes. It’s all there.

Micah: There’s plenty of stuff there.

Andrew: This week after you listen to this episode of MuggleCast, you should listen to the episode where Eric, Micah, and Laura discuss that dragon.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: I’m going to find out which one that is. That’s really upsetting.

Andrew: You should add it to the Wall of Fame. It should be your latest Wall of Fame entry.

Micah: I believe it is on the Wall of Fame.

Andrew: Is it?

Micah: I think it is.

Andrew: Let’s see. When would it have been? Like…

Micah: It would’ve been like Episode 98.

Eric: Yeah, yeah. Right when the cover was released before the book. You’re right.

Andrew: It was probably 95 then, because 99 was our live Philadelphia podcast.

Eric: Hmm.

Andrew: So 95 is the other one listed there. Oh yeah, this one includes the discussion on the Deathly Hallows deluxe edition cover…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: …which turns out to be some great analysis.

Eric: Look, Jo cheated.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Can I just say Jo cheated? Years before, she wrote about a dragon that had a white blanked-out eye. Just saying. It was in Fantastic Beasts. But…

Micah: That episode is more than six years old if you can believe that.

Eric: Wow!

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: That’s…

Andrew: Hopefully the MP3 file still works.

Eric: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [laughs] You have to dust it off.

Micah: What’s an MP3?

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: What’s an MP3? Well, because we spoke about the ten-year anniversary of Order of the Phoenix, I wanted to say I did put together a video commemorating it on MuggleNet. It’s on YouTube, actually. Just search MuggleNet’s commemorative… ten-year looking back, something like that, and you’ll find it. In Oak Park, and it has… the really cool thing about it is how many people showed up and we’re all dressed up – you know, like complete strangers. And a lot of them were older than the five or six-year-olds we’re talking about, that Laura mentioned. It was really cool because all the local businesses turned into the shops in Diagon Alley. I’ve never seen even since such a well-orchestrated collaborative effort between shop owners in a small district. So check out the video!

Andrew: Cool. We will! Thank you, every… did you have something to say? I’m about to say bye, so…

Micah: No. Bye! No…

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Micah: See you! Yeah, no, I was just going to say I can’t believe that we only have two episodes left.

Andrew: I know. Crazy, crazy.

Micah: It’s unreal.

Andrew: Ah, maybe we’ll do an extra one.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: I was going to say, or do we?

Micah: Or do we? How many more episodes can we bash Pottermore?

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Probably as many as…

Eric: Hey, that material, Micah, writes itself. [laughs] As Andrew said, as you said…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …it just writes…

Andrew: I’m not trying. It just happens.

Eric: It really does.

Micah: But I would say hang around for that. Not just the final episode, and also the one in between.

Andrew: Yeah, of course.

Micah: But hopefully we can get everybody back on at some point. I know everybody has busy schedules.

Andrew: Well, I think the only people left we have really to knock out are Jamie, Kevin…

Eric: Mikey B!

Andrew: Oh, Mikey, I guess he should be on. Yeah, so there’s only like three. If we get two on the next episode, then we can have as many as we want on the final episode.

Micah: And I want to make a promise, right here and now.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Micah: Are you ready for this?

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: That in some way, shape, or form, we will have JK Rowling on our last show.

[Show music begins]

Andrew: [laughs] Okay.

Micah: That is very cryptic.

Andrew: Okay.

Micah: We’ll leave it at that.

Andrew: Interesting. All right, what a tease. We’ll see everybody next month in July for Episode 267. Goodbye!

Eric: Please, don’t let it be July!

Micah: Bye.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: We’ll play that song.

Micah: Don’t start singing, Andrew.

Andrew: “Don’t let it be July!”

Micah: No.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: Hey, people love that song.

Eric: They do!

Andrew: It’s a classic.

[Show music continues]

Transcript #265

MuggleCast 265 Transcript


Show Intro


[“Hedwig’s Theme” plays]

Andrew: Because we have a fire-breathing dragon to talk about for the first time in a long while, this is MuggleCast Episode 265 for May 8th, 2013.

[Show music begins]

Andrew: This week’s podcast is brought to you by Audible.com, the Internet’s leading provider of audiobooks with more than 100,000 downloadable titles across all types of literature, including fiction, non-fiction, and periodicals. For a free audiobook of your choice, go to AudiblePodcast.com/MuggleCast.

[Show music continues]

Andrew: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 265. I know what everybody is thinking: How could you have fired Micah as the newsman? No.

Micah: That’s a great question.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: How could you fire Micah as the newsman?

Andrew: And if you did that, why is he still here?

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: I’m going to ask that question every episode. Every remaining episode. No, the real question is, why are we back only after a week and a half? That’s shocking! [laughs]

Eric: What?

Andrew: Are we back…

Micah: Must be something that happened in the news. [laughs] But I wouldn’t know what that is because I’ve been fired.

Andrew: [laughs] Right.


News: Universal Orlando Announces The Wizarding World of Harry Potter – Diagon Alley


Andrew: Well, we found out that The Wizarding World of Harry Potter – Diagon Alley is officially happening. Universal announced it on Wednesday morning, in line with the predictions it seems. I know MuggleNet had a prediction that the announcement would happen in four to six weeks, and then there was another rumor that said something similar. But I think this actually happened earlier than both of those. So maybe Universal just got really excited or they couldn’t keep the secret any longer. [laughs] They realized, oh, this thing is like half built now and we still haven’t announced it.

Eric: [laughs] Yup.

Andrew: Because they’re actually working on a Transformers ride down there that hasn’t opened up yet, so people thought it would be after Transformers. But anyway, we got the announcement. And I have to say, it was a little… what they announced was not surprising because we’ve known basically everything that they have announced for so long. We knew about Gringotts, we knew about the Hogwarts Express connecting the two lands, we knew there would be Diagon Alley in the London area. There was one big surprise that we’ll talk about a little bit later, but JK Rowling commented on today’s story, of course. She said:

“I’m so pleased that ‘The Wizarding World of Harry Potter’ has proved so popular to date, and I’m sure that the attention to detail in creating the new Diagon Alley area will make this an even better experience.”

Than Hogsmeade already is, I assume she means. What were you guys’ initial reactions to this new land?

[Prolonged silence]

Eric: Micah?

Micah: Clearly it’s left Eric and I both speechless.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Which is saying something for Eric. But I actually didn’t see this until about an hour or two ago, and the concept art to me is really great. I like the overall shot and the fact that you can see Hogwarts in the background.

Andrew: Yeah, isn’t it beautiful?

Micah: It’s iconic in a way, and if this is really how it’s going to pan out… I don’t really think the mountains are there.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Micah: I think that’s a little bit of an embellishment. But overall I think…

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: …that this new Diagon Alley area is really going to be something that people are going to enjoy. And I think it really rejuvenates the old Universal Studios. It gives people something to go and see, and I think that’s probably more so than anything else – with no disrespect to Harry Potter – what Universal was looking for. They needed something to breathe life into this old park, and they’ve gotten it, and that’s no pun intended, and I want to know how they expect to have a fire-breathing dragon in 90 degree heat, in the middle of Orlando.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: That’s a good point. Okay, so I was going to save that, but I guess we’ll talk about it now. In the concept art, you see this fire-breathing dragon on top of Gringotts. And this morning, I think everybody was in agreement that, “Oh, they just added that for embellishment to make the concept art come to life more.” But it turns out, Universal has confirmed that there’s actually going to be this dragon on… not a real dragon of course, but a dragon on top of Gringotts and it will breathe fire. How cool…

Eric: So where did we hear that it’s going to breathe fire?

Andrew: This was a theme park Twitter account, a reputable theme park Twitter account. They said they got in touch with Universal, and they confirmed that that thing is actually happening. [laughs]

Eric: Because I can see it breathing steam, or in the case of, as Micah mentioned, the heat and the sun, if it would breathe mist even, like kind of hot but kind of refreshing mist out of its nose. Then I can see that coming. But fire? Yeah, I just don’t know if that’s a good idea.

Andrew: Well, I think there’s two things that make it okay. For one, the dragon is really high up, so you may not feel the fire much. But also, it’s not like the dragon is going to be constantly spewing fire for 18 hours a day. I bet it’ll be maybe every 10 minutes and he’ll breathe fire for maybe 15 seconds.

Micah: You’ve got to put a quarter in his back, so you’ve got to climb…

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Micah: …all the way to the top and drop some change in there, and then he’ll breathe fire.

Eric: Do you think there will be a riding the dragon, like riding a bull, the wild crazy bull ride?

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: It could be.

Eric: [laughs] I think, though…

Micah: A few too many Butterbeers and you never know what can happen.

Eric: That’s true. That’s very true. This reminds me of The Mummy… well, maybe The Mummy Returns ride, which is probably going to be very, very close to where they put Diagon Alley, if I’m remembering correctly, in the regular Universal Studios Park in Florida. But that ride, the reason I bring it up is because there’s a wall of flames that always happens every time you ride that ride. It probably happens a 100,000 times a day, or week, or month. And… so flames… I mean, yeah, it may just be… it’ll look really cool as a Harry Potter dragon, but I guess flames, fire, is just easier to create than we give it credit for.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Like, people in the future who are lost on desert islands and have to rub sticks together for fire will be so jealous because the Wizarding World [laughs] is going to do it from this dragon for nothing a hundred times a day.

Andrew: Yeah. It’s going to be an awesome photo-op. I mean, think about standing below that thing when it’s spewing fire. That’s a permanent profile picture, if you ask me, on Facebook.

Eric: Agreed.

Andrew: Totally going to… at least three months. [laughs]

Micah: It’s almost as cool as sitting on the Iron Throne.

Andrew: [laughs] You’re right.

Eric: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but see…

Andrew: I love that this is the fire piece… oh, sorry, the center piece of Diagon Alley. It’s going to be not just Gringotts, but Universal really upped the ante and they put the dragon on top. That’s going to be such a cool photo-op.

Eric: I do agree, but I worry about the attention being focused on one central area. Even in the Wizarding World theme park as it is, it’s true you do have Hogsmeade and then the Hogwarts area, but basically Forbidden Journey is where the line starts, you know? And I feel like there will be people with Gringotts and the dragon. People will want to ride the ride and then other people will want the photo-ops.

Andrew: Mmm.

Eric: But it will be very crowded.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. It is… I feel like there’s going to be two major kind of photo-ops here. Of course there’s going to be Gringotts and the dragon, but then also at the front of this new Diagon Alley land – which is London, essentially – you have the Knight Bus out front, and then you’ve just got the row of buildings on the outside including King’s Cross where the Hogwarts Express is going to be inside when it pulls up. So, yeah, I could see… I mean, I think from the perspective we’re looking at it in the concept art, Gringotts looks bigger than it actually may be.

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: But time will tell. It’s going to be cool seeing that from a distance too as you walk closer and closer to the Wizarding World of Diagon Alley.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I mean, because the Simpsons ride is right across the way in that little lake. [laughs] You’re going to be staring at the dragon after you walk out of the Simpsons ride.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Now, I’m more curious about the overall layout of this. So if I’m looking at the concept art right now, is it that you would come out of King’s Cross station all the way on that left hand side sort of where those two arches are and then walk around?

Andrew: Huh, that’s a good question.

Micah: Because I think most people would – and I don’t know if this is also going to be included in this – want to go through the Leaky Cauldron to get to Diagon Alley.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: Has there been any thought about that? Is the Leaky Cauldron somewhere in that set of buildings that sort of opens up into Diagon Alley with Gringotts all the way at the end there?

Eric: Talk about a bottleneck if that were the case. [laughs]

Andrew: Exactly. Because I’m thinking about the Three Broomsticks at the Wizarding World right now and having people constantly funneling through that to get in sounds like it would be annoying.

Micah: A logistical nightmare.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: That is a good question though because, of course, there is that iconic moment in Sorcerer’s Stone. Hagrid…

Eric: Tapping the bricks.

Andrew: Right! They’ve got to have something like that, right? But then you have to think, well, how are they going to have a brick wall and then the brick wall… I would love to see them do a brick wall that magically opens somehow.

Eric: Oh, yeah.

Andrew: But imagine the waits. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah, I have no idea just how. And looking at the concept art… I understand Diagon Alley is supposed to be a little bit – what’s the word – claustrophobic, but theme parks typically… correct me if I’m wrong, but they’re better when they’re open. They’re better when there’s a lot of room to move around.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And I really worry about lines and all of that other stuff impeding on the fun of this new park. Because the themes are going to be great. If there’s special meals that British Muggles have that for some reason aren’t at the other park, it’ll be great. Gringotts ride, a lot of fun, no doubt. Nobody is questioning that, but I do question the size and the space and the time to walk around in this new park.

Andrew: I feel like this was a concern with the first Wizarding World Orlando as well, and their excuse was, “Well, in the books and movies everything is very cramped.” Which – and you rightfully point out – that just doesn’t work in the real world [laughs] when there’s thousands of tourists.

Eric: No, there’s a park… and the Islands of Adventure park is small, or it’s equal… I want to say it’s actually equally sized to the regular park. I could be a little wrong. But the first three or four months to maybe even eight months, depending on the day or holidays when kids were off school, there was a line for Forbidden Journey or for the Hogsmeade area of Islands of Adventure that stretched all the way around Islands of Adventure. They can’t pull that [censored]

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: …forgive my French – with the new park. You just can’t because eventually you’re going to get people with tickets to both parks that are in line for the Hogwarts Express, to go to Hogsmeade, and they’re going to be waiting in Hogsmeade.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Because the line is going to be so long all the way from Diagon Alley.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: I can’t understand this. And with Hollywood, when that opens, you already said there’s not a lot of space. So they should come up with a design that works for large open areas, I think.

Micah: In due time, though, more of this will become available to us in terms of what this layout is going to look like. I’m sure you’re going to have multiple Hogwarts Express so that there’s always going to be one, at least, going to Hogsmeade, and then one going to Diagon Alley. I don’t think that it’s only going to be one track.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: If they did that, that’s going to bottleneck a lot of people – to your point, Eric – but I think as we learn more about what the landscape is going to look like and just how big this is going to be, I think it’ll put people at ease. And to what you were talking about before, didn’t a lot of that happen when the park first opened? So the expectation would be that you’re going to have long lines no matter what. So once that goes over time, like we’ve seen with what exists already in Orlando, the lines are going to get shorter and they’re going to be more manageable for people throughout the course of the day.

Andrew: Yeah. I think that’s right. Imagine five, ten years from now when it dies down a little bit. Of course, these parks will be…

Micah: Five, ten years? Oh, man.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: These parks will be popular. And of course, Harry Potter will be popular for a long time, but after this initial summer it’ll be much more bearable. And summertime in general is always so busy for the Wizarding World, or for theme parks, because that’s when tourists like to go.

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So now back on to the Wizarding World news, I was just thinking about how what if the Hogwarts Express breaks down.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Because then, what if it’s down and it’s down for the entire day? Then people have to walk from one park to the other, and…

Micah: God forbid!

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Well, yeah. But…

Micah: I know, but the point is the experience. Say you’re there for one day and that’s all you get.

Andrew: And you bought the two-park ticket under the assumption…

Micah: I understand that. Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. But if you guys think about the layout of Universal Orlando Resort, to get from one park to the other is kind of a hassle because both of these lands are buried in the back of each of these parks. So you’ve got to walk through the park again, walk out, walk through City Walk, then back to the other park. It is kind of a pain. [laughs]

Eric: That’s not a bad point because if you…

Andrew: And I feel like you… when the park first opens, you’re going to be able to walk faster from one park to the other than you will to wait in line for the train [laughs] because that line is going to be long.

Eric: Oh, but the train is the experience. It’s the experience, Andrew.

Andrew: I know. What were you going to say, Eric?

Eric: I’m just wondering if there’s going to be a walking path or something.

Andrew: That would be nice.

Eric: [laughs] Maybe the “stay fit, healthy” walking path in between the two Harry Potter parks in case the rides break down or something like that. Because if you already have both passes… and maybe they can call it something fun, like “Dobby’s Route” or something.

Andrew: [laughs] Dobby’s Route.

Eric: I have no idea.

Micah: Are you saying that he can’t take the Hogwarts Express?

Eric: Well, when he… ideally, when he sealed the barrier, Ron and Harry were faced with the prospect that they would have to walk to Hogwarts, so there you go.

Micah: So Andrew, I know before you brought up how the outside of Diagon Alley is really dressed up to look like London. The Knight Bus is there, that’s going to be a photo op. There’s also a fountain there that’s located in Piccadilly Circus. I saw on the article on Hypable.

Andrew: Yeah, the Eros Fountain. It’s right… at least in the concept art, it’s right next to the Knight Bus. So they’re doing authentic London sights right there on the waterfront. These buildings that you see on the waterfront, as well, are straight out of London. At least a couple of them are.

Micah: So what does that say, though? They put the Eros Fountain – Eros being Cupid – next to the Knight Bus…

Andrew: [laughs] Love it.

Micah: …which has beds.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: People are going to be shagging on the Knight Bus in front of Cupid.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Eric: Yes. Micah, there will be rooms to rent on the… or shall I say beds for rent – by the hour, of course – on the triple-decker Knight Bus. Hell, I’d pay for that!

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Andrew: There’s also the London… a British phone booth, which would be a fun little photo op. If they’re smart, you can dial 6-2-4-4-2 and something fun happens.

Eric: Maybe it actually will take you underground for a moment. [laughs]

Andrew: But imagine the line for that!

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Micah: I could see one of us going in there and start banging on the glass, “Why isn’t this going down? Why isn’t this going down?”

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Eric: You know, the funny thing is, due to the seventh Harry Potter film, I’m going to be trying to flush myself in the toilets, too, in London.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: You let us know how that goes.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: And don’t shake our hands after you do that.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah, and we’ll expect a full report. Let us know how…

Eric: I’ll be live blogging from the loos at the London end of the Muggle world… the wizarding world.

Andrew: Universal also confirmed today that you will need two park tickets to take the Hogwarts Express.

Eric: Okay.

Andrew: Now, we kind of figured that would be. There were some people thinking, well, maybe if you have a one-park ticket you could just ride the train a round trip, but it makes sense that they’re not going to allow that. They’d better not because there’s going to be such long lines on both sides…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: …of the park that they don’t want people taking two trips unless they wait in line again.

Eric: Well, I think the interesting thing because we’ve been going by the concept art where it shows I think the train on the countryside and all that, I think we have to kind of get out of that mindset because I think on one hand the train I think is going to all be indoors, really.

Andrew: Oh, yeah.

Eric: And covered because they don’t have that countryside. So maybe that will mean the parks can be closer together, that they can make the other park so big that they’re really pretty much next door and then have this huge… I’m thinking an indoor enclosed area. So what I’m trying to say is maybe the ride actually won’t take that long, that the train won’t take that long to travel even though it may seem it does and maybe that’ll be quicker because in the concept art it appears that there’s this huge great distance but actually…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …there doesn’t have to be considering it’s all going to be indoors.

Andrew: I would guess… there’s been some great leaked photos of the track. The track is elevated. It’s like ten feet off the ground.

Eric: Oh, no kidding.

Andrew: Yeah, because they have all this stuff behind Universal already. So they kind of got a… they don’t want to knock out the roads because they’re roads they use.

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: So… I’ll show you guys the picture. But it’s one track and then in at least one area there’s kind of like an interchange thing where two trains can go around each other.

Eric: Ooh.

Andrew: So I think they’re going to have to leave the stations… this is a huge… I can’t even imagine all the planning that went into this. They’re going to have to…

Micah: Yeah, so this goes to what we were saying before about there being multiple trains.

Andrew: Yeah, I would guess there’s probably going to be two. Unless they have more of these interchanges. Then maybe they could switch… they could have even more trains.

Eric: Do you have the photo?

Andrew: Yeah, I’m going to send it to you right now. This photo I’m sending you guys, you can see the… I’m going to put it in the Google Doc. You can see the interchange point where it turns from one track to two. And that would also hint at how long the train is going to be. And it looks like it could fit maybe the Hogwarts Express and then two or three passenger cars.

Eric: [laughs] Oh, wow!

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Bless whoever is there taking these photos.

Andrew: I know.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Probably risking getting fired. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah, wow.

Andrew: And if you hit those arrows, you can see there’s a couple of other good photos of the track. But it’s pretty high up the ground, maybe even higher than ten feet, maybe fifteen.

Eric: Yeah, easily. Yeah.

Andrew: But then you have to wonder, what’s this train going to look like? Because when people step on-board it has to look like the actual Hogwarts Express.

Eric: Yeah, well…

Andrew: And yet you need these virtual screens inside. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah. I mean, from the exterior, who knows? Couldn’t it look like anything? But then when you board it, it has to… yeah, that’s a good question. I don’t know.

Micah: Wow. And just the amount of planning that has to go into something like this is pretty crazy.

Andrew: It’s pretty awesome. And they’re definitely one-upping Disney with this. I mean, this whole dragon thing… I mean, this is a big “eff you” to Disney.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: They’ve always had dragons, but not one that is front-and-center, standing out… Disney is apparently working on this Avatar land” and they’re going to have a dragon flying around, but it’s… Universal just whips this out and it’s like, whoa.

Eric: Yeah. No, this will fuel the fire – no pun intended – for years to come, I think, between Disney and Universal. But I’m… the thing is, I guess talking about Universal Florida, I do feel a little bit bad that there aren’t other real attractions inside this park. And let me just be clear, there doesn’t seem to be anything new going on that isn’t Harry Potter. Of course you did bring up the Transformers ride.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: We’ll see how that is. But I may have mentioned it, it may have been on the last MuggleCast, I’m pretty mixed up, but just the gift shops in the regular Universal World I recalled being so overloaded with Harry Potter merchandise and there wasn’t even a Harry Potter Muggle park yet.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Harry Potter has just become the thing at Universal now, and this is only going to make it more so. That, I kind of want to see them also doing other interesting things that don’t have to do with Harry Potter only because you don’t want to isolate anybody. And plus when people are waiting in line for hours and hours and hours, they need other things to do in the park.

Micah: Yeah, but…

Eric: And if they’ve done it before, then it’s not going to be as interesting.

Micah: At the same time though, they’re capitalizing off of what is hot. And Potter, even though the movies are over and the books have been done for a while, I still feel like it’s something that has been so meaningful to people’s childhoods that are currently in their teens or their twenties or even their thirties, that this has such mass appeal where a lot of the other stuff has kind of fallen flat a little bit. And that’s nothing against something along the lines of Transformers, but Transformers is going to be… did you say it’s actually going to be a land, or it’s just going to be one specific ride?

Andrew: It’s just a ride.

Eric: It’s just a ride, yeah.

Micah: Yeah, it’s just a ride. But you have to look at the fact that Potter has been made into an entire world…

Eric: Mhm.

Micah: …within this park.

Eric: Well, two. Yeah.

Micah: Two worlds now. So can they find something else that’s going to be that mass appealing, or even half that mass appealing that they can build something more than just a ride out of it? There hasn’t been something up until this point.

Eric: Well, the… what was I going to say? The Islands of Adventure, there is a Marvel Land in Islands of Adventure, and they are making like a hundred new Marvel movies.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: So maybe we’ll see an expansion there next. [laughs] I don’t know.

Andrew: See, I don’t think so because now Disney owns that.

Eric: [laughs] Oh, that’s funny!

Andrew: [laughs] And apparently Disney wants to put Marvel in some parks, so…

Micah: Oops.

Eric: Yeah, well, maybe they’ll have to tear down the Islands of Adventure Marvel, which actually, coincidentally, is like right next to the Wizarding World. So maybe we’ll have an expansion again…

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Micah: Wow.

Eric: …of Harry Potter.

Micah: Well…

Andrew: Let’s hope they don’t have to tear those down. That would be really sad. [laughs]

Eric: I’m sure they have like a twenty-year contract…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …to continue to keep Marvel in the Universal park. But any revenue that they get will probably end up going to Disney…

Andrew: Yeah, definitely.

Eric: …off the merchandise. So I can see them definitely trying to play the Marvel section down.

Micah: One other thing that I wanted to talk about, related to Diagon Alley, was how authentic were they going to make some of the shops that are going to be in this particular area. I know Weasleys’ Wizard Wheezes is going to be a place that people can go to, which guarantee fans of the Phelps twins will be there…

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Micah: …many, many, many, many, many times over the course of the next few years. I’m sure we have plenty of fans who are interested in that. But one of the knocks I think against Hogsmeade in the Islands of Adventure is that there are a lot of storefronts but not necessarily a lot of stores to explore, and I think there’s an opportunity here for them. And I’m not talking about merchandise, I’m talking about opening up some of the places that we’ve heard about in the series for people to just go into and experience. And go into a Flourish and Blotts, and just have an experience that Harry or Ron would have going in there. I just think they could build this area up to be a lot more than what its predecessor was.

Eric: God, how cool would it be if they had a bookshop open up in the theme park? How cool would that be?

Andrew: That would be great.

Eric: Right? That would be very cool.

Andrew: So what are you saying, Micah?

Eric: Flourish and Blotts…

Andrew: Sorry. They should promote the shops more as the experience is more, is that what you’re saying?

Micah: No, I just noticed that a lot of the storefronts in Hogsmeade were just that, they were storefronts. You couldn’t actually go into them.

Andrew: Ahhh.

Eric: That’s to keep people moving along though, because there’s no room. So there’s that.

Andrew: And they probably use them for storage and whatnot.

Micah: Ehhh. But now they have plenty more storage space, so…

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: No, I just think… I’m sure there’s going to be certain areas in Diagon Alley that are going to have that authentic store from the book. They’re going to be there. Did they mention any restaurants? Did they name any restaurants for this area? Because I would think that they would want to put one in here.

Andrew: Yeah, I think the Leaky Cauldron seems to be the one that’s going to happen. That’s what the… they said there’s going to be a restaurant, they didn’t say which one, but the rumors have said the Leaky Cauldron.

Eric: That actually makes an astonishing amount of sense. [laughs]

Andrew: Oh, yeah. Definitely.

Eric: I was thinking, “What is there besides the ice cream parlor, right?” [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, and you know, I really like the Three Broomsticks restaurant. The food is good, there’s a lot of space in there, it’s a good place to cool off, and it’s usually not too hard to find a table. And they also have that nice back patio, if you want to sit outside.

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: So I’m a big fan of the Three Broomsticks. Hopefully they’ll do as equally good a job with this.

Eric: Andrew, you were cutting out there a little bit with your signal.

Andrew: Oh. Maybe it was just the Internet for a second.

Eric: It’s kind of wiry.

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: I don’t know.

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News: Universal Orlando Announces The Wizarding World of Harry Potter – Diagon Alley (continued)


Andrew: I will check it. Did you hear what I said, though?

Eric: Yeah, yeah.

Andrew: Okay.

Eric: It’s just wiry. I don’t know how to explain your voice right now.

Andrew: Oh.

Micah: You sounded fine to me. I don’t know.

Eric: Oh, really?

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Oh, I hope it’s… okay.

Andrew: Maybe it’s you! [laughs evilly]

Micah: [in a deep voice] Maybe it’s you, man!

Eric: No, I mean I hope the recording doesn’t get it. That’s all.

Andrew: I’ll check it.

Eric: But we’re fine.

Andrew: No, it should be fine.

Eric: Yeah, yeah, okay.

Micah: Yeah, I mean if you go on and you look, there’s just probably fifty different places that are in Diagon Alley that are mentioned throughout the course of the series. So to have some of them in there that are recognizable, I’m sure they will. And they may have even taken some and flipped them over into Hogsmeade because they thought that that was going to be the only area of Potter to be in Universal originally. So…

Eric: Well, we know that Ollivander’s is in Hogsmeade. It’s their Hogsmeade location. But yeah, I really wonder if they would do that, put it in its proper place in Diagon Alley now that they have the opportunity.

Micah: Now, I also read, Andrew, that there’s kind of an open area, you talked about this a little bit, where people can sit down and relax.

Andrew: Yeah, there’s a little… off to the right side. It’s hard to tell what it is, but maybe you guys have a different interpretation. It looks like a covered area that just sort of looks like a place where you can… I don’t know. I thought it was the Hogwarts Express station at first, but that’s on the left side.

Eric: Oh yeah, you’re right.

Andrew: So I feel like this is comparable to that Owl Post area in the center of Hogsmeade, where you can just sit and chill out…

Eric: Under the big pavilion.

Andrew: Yeah, and you’re out of the sun.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I know a lot of people, from what I’ve seen, just like to sit there because it’s in the shade and you still get to watch all the people. So…

Eric: If I had to guess, I’d say the area on the right looks more like Covent Garden in London, which is kind of like…

Andrew: Oh, yeah!

Eric: …an open shopping area. But in the concept art it appears beyond the barrier, so it has to be somewhere in the wizarding world and so I’m probably incorrect.

Andrew: Well yeah, that’s true too. But it’s still behind other… that was the other awkward part to me about it, it’s behind that row of buildings.

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: It seems weirdly placed. I mean, maybe it’s… who knows? [laughs] Who knows what?

Micah: Maybe an entryway of sorts?

Andrew: Oh, or it could be the queue for Gringotts because Gringotts is right there. It could be the outdoor portion of the queue.

Eric: Yeah. I’m trying to remember though, back to the concept art of the initial park, which was awesome too. It kind of showed the layout of the park, but actually not really, you know? So things… other parts were exaggerated. So I’d love to see an actual… well, obviously, more aerial photos, if we have any friends with helicopters. But just to kind of get a better picture of the scale or proportions of this whole area.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: But the concept art is just loaded, and I have to shootout that article on Hypable that takes a closer look at all the areas of the concept art because I think it’s really interesting and it points out all the little intricacies that exist in this one image.

Andrew: Yeah. At first I was disappointed that there was only one piece of concept art because I remembered when they announced the last one in 2007, there [were] multiple pieces of concept art and you got to see inside some of the stores. So…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: But then once seeing the hi-res version, I was like, “Whoa, okay, there’s a lot of detail here that you could really appreciate.”

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: And Universal has said that they’re going to be making more announcements over the next year about… because we really don’t know much yet. We don’t know how exactly the Hogwarts Express is going to work, we don’t know what shops there are going to be, what restaurants it’s got. We don’t even know what happens in Gringotts! So they have a good four or five major announcements to squeeze out of this still, I think.

Eric: Yeah, and with only a year to go, presumably, if they open in the summer of 2014.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: So this news is going to eclipse any Pottermore news that happens in the next year.

Andrew: [laughs] I know, it’s kind of… I’ve been looking forward to this announcement for a long time because the rumors started in December 2011, I think. I mean, the rumors have been around so long, and finally a year and a half later we’re getting some official information about it.

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: I’m reading an interview here with Mark Woodbury. He’s the president of Universal Creative, and he spoke about talking… or working with JK Rowling. And he said:

“Those meetings are fascinating and wonderful opportunities to have, to be able to talk and collaborate directly with JK Rowling and the Warner Bros. filmmakers. This was a big idea. And everybody immediately saw that when we initially laid it out. And the fact that we wanted to continue to tell the ‘Harry Potter’ story, the places that we had chosen to develop – Diagon Alley and London and Gringotts and Hogwarts Express – were really big ideas and bold moves, I think that the ambition behind that was very much appreciated.”

Referring to JK Rowling’s appreciation of… I mean, they really… not only are they doubling the size of the park, but they’re raising the bar, when you think about exactly what he said. You’re adding Diagon Alley, London, Gringotts, and Hogwarts Express. I mean, that’s a huge undertaking.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah. And I look at the fact that he’s worked with JK Rowling and he’s worked with probably David Heyman, Stuart Craig… who am I missing here? [laughs] Probably directors and others.

Andrew: Yeah, David Yates maybe was involved a little bit.

Micah: Yeah, and probably those who worked on maybe the initial concept art for Diagon Alley and Gringotts, especially in Deathly Hallows: Part 2. So I would think that… having been to the park in Orlando and having experienced that, we have something really cool to look forward to because I think they really did it right. I rarely saw people complain about the park in Orlando, so I think that this is something that we all look forward to, and look forward to going and having a good time there.

Eric: Did we read yet the quote from JK Rowling?

Andrew: I think at the very beginning we did, right?

Micah: Did she tweet it?

Eric: [laughs] No, she did not tweet it, Micah.

Micah: Oh.

Eric: You have yet to miss anything by not following her on Twitter.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Yeah, just really quickly in case we didn’t. She says:

“I’m so pleased that ‘The Wizarding World of Harry Potter’ has proved so popular to date, and I’m sure that the attention to detail in creating the new Diagon Alley area will make this an even better experience.”

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: So there you go.

Micah: Basically, she just paraphrased what I just said.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Yeah. Well, it’s proven to be so popular, and now it’s going to be an even better area. So that seems exciting.

Andrew: A little more from Mark Woodbury. This kind of… I don’t know, maybe this does give a clue as to how you enter Diagon Alley. He said:

“Starting with the London area, which is totally authentic and recreates and captures the essence of the iconographic parts of the fiction in that space, we went big. And then we find our way into Diagon Alley in much the same way you do in the books and movies. And that’s a totally different environment that gives guests an even deeper immersion into the world of ‘Harry Potter’. And those buildings are big as well. Four and five stories tall in some places.”

Eric: Wow.

Andrew: So that’s interesting, yeah.

Micah: So maybe they will go for a tap of the brick.

Andrew: Yeah, that little clue – that part where you said – you go into Diagon Alley much the same way you do in the books and movies.

Eric: Floo Powder! [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Micah: Right.

Eric: There’ll be chimneys set up everywhere.

Micah: Will there be a Knockturn Alley?

Eric: Knockturn Alley is the security area [laughs] where you get taken if you are too rowdy in the park.

Andrew: [laughs] Well, ladies and gentlemen, any other thoughts today?

Eric: Go Universal!

Andrew: Yeah.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: It really is a fantastic little thing that they all put together here.

Eric: Make a Harry Potter hotel.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: They keep adding hotels to the Universal property, might as well make one Harry Potter-themed. Come on.

Andrew: I feel like that’s a little too… I don’t think a Harry Potter hotel could work.

Eric: Harry at Hogwarts is a boarding school. I mean, it hosts about a thousand people. Maybe they should just extend Hogwarts and have people sleep there. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, I guess, come to think of it, that could work. Because they have like Nickelodeon hotels. If they have Nickelodeon Spongebob rooms…

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: …I’m sure Harry Potter hotels could be pretty popular.

Eric: Well, I don’t even know if Nickelodeon Studios is still functional there because… obviously I stopped watching the shows there a long time ago, but I just always thought that area was a lot bigger than I think it was.

Andrew: Hmm, yeah.

Eric: But, you know, it’s very cool.

Andrew: Absolutely. What do we… I mean, Micah, were there any specific shops or anything you were hoping to see in the thing-a-ma-bobber?

Micah: Thing-a-ma-bobber?

Andrew: Yeah, thing-a-ma-bobber.

Micah: No, I just hope that it replicates – and I’m sure it will, knowing who is working on all this – what we know to be Diagon Alley. And I think that Flourish and Blotts would be cool. We talked about it before, [how] it plays such a large role throughout the course of the series. So many interesting events take place there. And I’m looking forward to Weasleys’ Wizard Wheezes. I think that’s going to be a fun place for people to go to. And other than that, I hope, as Eric mentioned earlier, they have a Fortescue’s Ice Cream Parlor to eat at.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Because you’re going to need some ice cream with that dragon breathing fire all the time.

Eric: Yeah, definitely. And it may just be because I’m a Hufflepuff I get hung up on the food, but that ice cream parlor, that’s looking really good.

Andrew: I would say there’s a good chance of that. After you burn your face off because of the dragon’s fire, you’ll want to cool off with a refreshing ice cream.

Eric: And maybe we should have Florean Fortescue going around, helping people with their homework. That’d be cool.

Andrew: There you go.


News: Scholastic to Debut All 15th Anniversary Harry Potter Paperback Covers This Summer


Andrew: A little other news story really quick and then we have a couple of voicemails, the Harry Potter… the new book covers [are] apparently debuting during the summer. That’s all that has to be said about that.

Eric: You got a shout-out. [laughs]

Andrew: Well, yeah, because on the Scholastic… I found this out because the Scholastic Twitter tweeted something about the new covers. And then I went undercover, I posed as a super fan…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: …and I said, “But when do we get to see the rest of the covers???” And then they said with a smiley face, “We’ll be rolling them out over the summer. :)”

Eric: So when you pose as a super fan, is that when you add excessive question marks?

Andrew: Exactly. I was so anxious I had to know immediately. [laughs]

Micah: What’s your cover name?

Andrew: Andrew Sims.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Micah: Oh.

Andrew: Yeah, they don’t… I don’t think the Scholastic social media person knows me, so…

Micah: They didn’t know you were the Andrew Sims.

Andrew: Little did they know I was going to write a story about it.

Eric: Though, rolling them out over the summer, that’s good. We’ve already seen the first one, but the news kind of died by then.

Andrew: Yeah, it’s… right. It’s kind of more fun to spread the news out because then it’ll be a big deal. Every time a new cover comes out it’ll be exciting.

Eric: As long as they’re good.

Andrew: Right, and we’ll have time to analyze each cover and think, “Oh, does this little thing mean this is going to happen in the book?” And then we’ll remember, we’ve already read them.

Micah: Yeah, that’s the issue that they face with this, is that to me – and I know we talked about this probably a couple of episodes ago – it’s more about people who want to collect, in my opinion, these new covers than anything else. Because you’re not getting new material, you’re not getting any new art within the book. It’s just the cover and that’s it. And so you have to ask yourself, do you want to actually spend the money to repurchase the whole series again just because the cover is different?

Andrew: Right, right. Oh, my goodness. Well guys, I’m just so excited. This is a great year for Harry Potter news. Look at all this news we’re going to have to talk about over the next few months.

Micah: I wondered what the big story of 2013 really was going to be, and I think we have our answer…

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: …at least for right now, with the theme park.

Andrew: Yeah, but it’s kind of like a non-story because it’s not even technically happening this year. It’s just we’re learning about it. And we knew about it for a year and a half. [laughs]

Eric: We’ll find out.

Andrew: Yeah, who knows? Maybe there will be… maybe JK Rowling will announce… you know, we still have a long way to go this year.


Voicemail: Old MuggleCast Segments


Andrew: Anyway, we got a couple of voicemails here. Here’s the first one.

[Audio]: Hi, this is Caitlin and Victor calling from Ohio. We just had a request for one of your last episodes before you end the show. Can you please bring back one segment, at least, from Ben of “Give Me a Butterbeer” and/or a “What’s Buggin’ Micah?” segment? And maybe the segments could be about having Jo come on the show.

[Andrew laughs]

[Audio]: Like “What’s bugging’ Micah? Jo, come on the show,” or Ben could do a “Give Me a Butterbeer” about Jo not having been on the show these past eight years. Something like that, just an idea.

[Andrew laughs]

[Audio]: No matter what topic you guys do it on, I would just love to hear one more segment of those before you guys end. Love the show. Bye.

Andrew: All right.

Micah: Well, really every episode is “What’s Buggin’ Micah?”

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: No, I’m just kidding.

Eric: That’s the secret. We’ve turned it into the whole show now.

Micah: I think we can plan… in these last couple of episodes that we have, we can plan to bring back some of these old segments. And we’ll make sure we do our damnedest to make them good and to make them relevant.

Andrew: Yeah. This is a simple show because we wanted to talk about the news since it’s fresh in everybody’s minds. Other shows, as we wrap up MuggleCast’s run, we’ll of course have segments and stuff like that.

Micah: I’d love to hear Ben do “Give Me a Butterbeer.”

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: It’s been such a long time.

Andrew: We’d have to get him riled up about something.

Micah: That doesn’t take too much. We’ll find something that’ll piss him off.


Voicemail: Jim Dale’s Narration of the Harry Potter Audiobooks


Andrew: All right, here’s the next voicemail.

[Audio]: Hey guys, it’s Manny from Northampton, PA, “Albus Dumbledore.” I thought I’d leave a little more serious voicemail today. As a visually-impaired Potter fan, I’ve always read the books through the audiobooks. And I was curious to get you guys’ opinion, if you’ve ever listened to the books, what you think of Jim Dale’s performances in the books. And Micah, I feel sorry for you. Being a Mets fan and all, I know it’s tough when your season ends before it begins most years.

Andrew: Ouch!

[Audio]: But I’m sure if you had John Sterling as your announcer, you wouldn’t be too disappointed in his excited, enthusiastic calls. One thing you’ve got to admit, he is enthusiastic. Then again, he wouldn’t be shouting “The Mets win!” too often, would he?

[Andrew laughs]

[Audio]: I’m sorry, I had to get that in. But you guys really do a great job. Keep up the great work, and I look forward to hearing your comments. [as Dumbledore] Have a good afternoon and evening to you. Buh-bye!

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: So Micah, now you wouldn’t punch an old man, would you?

Micah: [laughs] No, not at all.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: But I’m assuming that he is a Phillies fan and that’s exactly why he said those very nice things about the New York Mets. And he’s right, though. Look, let’s face it. The Mets’ season is over before it begins, and that’s usually the case year after year. Or he could be a Yankees fan, but I’m assuming since he’s from Pennsylvania that he is a Phillies fan.

Eric: But we all like the underdog. I’ve learned that living in Chicago.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: On the North Side.

Micah: I wasn’t aware that our discussion about John Sterling got left in the episode last time. But yeah, no, I still think he’s a horrible announcer. It has nothing to do with the fact that he announces the Yankees. I think he’s annoying.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Look, there’s announcers you just don’t like, right? Let’s face it, there’s people on the news you don’t like, there’s people on the radio you don’t like…

Andrew: Right.

Micah: …there’s people who podcast you don’t like.

Eric: Announcers you don’t like. Okay, but what about Jim Dale? That’s his voicemail question.

Micah: I like Jim Dale. No, no, well, wait! He also brought up other stuff at the end there. But, no, I like Jim Dale. We’ve had Jim Dale on the show and he provided such great insight, I thought, when he came on with us to what he does and the amount of preparation that went into narrating the Harry Potter series, at least the American editions. And I haven’t really listened through any of the audiobooks, I don’t know if you guys have, but I’m sure that he did a great job just based off the conversation that we had with him.

Eric: Andrew, you ever listened to the audiobooks?

Andrew: Yeah. And exactly what Micah was saying: He put so much care into creating those characters. We’ve heard before about how many characters… he does a different voice for every character. It is a very, very fun experience, and I was glad to see that they added some audio clips into Pottermore because it really brings it to life. And I learned that if you are in the US, you hear Jim Dale. If you are in the UK, you hear Stephen Fry.

Eric: Aww, cool!

Andrew: I don’t how it works in the rest of the world, but…

Micah: Oh, that’s cool.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: One thing they did right.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: No, no. And if people want to listen to Jim on our show, he was actually on Episode 137. So give it a listen.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Okay! I’ll give it a listen.

Micah: He did an intro, as well. Do you remember way back when? He did an intro.

Eric: Yeah! [as Jim Dale’s Professor McGonagall] “This is Professor Dumbledore.” Or, “This is McGonagall.”

Micah: It was actually McGonagall.

Eric: It was McGonagall. [as Jim Dale’s Professor McGonagall] “This is Professor McGonagall. Dobby! Dobby, come here!” [back to normal voice] Yes. Jim Dale, for me…

Micah: It scares me that you remember that.

Eric: I always have friends who… [laughs] right, I don’t always have friends. I had friends who would always tell me about Jim Dale, and this is way before I listened. I read the books. I never listened to the audio for the longest time, but people would… I’d hear about people turning him on before they went to bed and falling asleep with Jim Dale doing Harry Potter in their ears, and this is a common occurrence. Road trips, they’d listen to the Harry Potter audiobooks. And so just very recently I was… I had to read Chapter 17 of Prisoner of Azkaban for the Alohomora! podcast, and I… there was no way I was going to get it done. I didn’t have enough time to read because I was working that day when we were recording right after I got home from work, so I turned on the audiobook and I put it in and I played it in the car when I was out working, and I really just had this great appreciation – almost re-found appreciation – for what he does. And I think he’s excellent, and I think he was the right fit for her type of books.

Micah: Yeah, you just have to think about how many different characters he had to be responsible for, and then to remember what they sounded like over the course of seven books – and in some cases a lot of those characters were young, so they were aging over the course of these seven books – so how to keep that all in mind and to have those voices and to do it as well as he did it, that’s just amazing. He must hear voices in his head.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: Yeah. Or the real question is, when he talks to himself what voice does he use?

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Dobby.

[Eric laughs]


Voicemail: Thank You, MuggleCast


Andrew: All right, we have a couple of emails about the show now that we’ll listen to.

[Audio]: Hey, MuggleCasters. This is Alastor from Glasgow in Scotland. I just wanted to thank you guys for keeping the show going for all these years. I’m sad that it’s finishing, but I think you’re making the right decision. I just wanted to tell you something poignant about the date that you guys finish. I started reading the Harry Potter books when I was nine, and in August when you guys stop, I leave university and start my first adult job, so it feels like an end of an era for MuggleCast and an end of an era for me. So thank you for you guys, for being there when I was reading the Harry Potter books and getting [unintelligible] with the films. And best of luck for the future. Thanks, MuggleCast!

Andrew: All right, there’s a nice voice… oh!

[Audio]: Hey, MuggleCasters. This is Alastor from Glasgow in Scotland.

Andrew: Oh, it’s playing again.

Eric: Oh, I didn’t mean for it to.

Andrew: [laughs] It’s okay.

Eric: No, the… but it’s great to hear from our Scottish listeners as well, our international friends.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. Thank you for that nice message. And here’s one more:

[Audio]: Hey, this is Jacob from Alabama. I just wanted to say I really do appreciate you guys. I was listening to Episode 263, and I heard that you were going to do your last lesson. Now, you guys have been the first podcast I ever listened to, and I was going to listen to you guys I thought for years and years to come. Looks like it’s not going to happen…

Andrew: [laughs] Aww!

[Audio]: …but I’m okay with it. I just hope that you guys have a good few last episodes, and I just wanted to say how much I appreciate you guys. Thanks, bye.

Andrew: Aww, that’s really nice! Now I feel bad!

Micah: That’s awesome.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: He was hoping he’d listen to us for years and years to come, and now he’s not. I mean, you still will. Just you can in different ways.

Eric: Yeah!

Andrew: But I get what he’s saying, so…

Eric: Yeah, go back. Listen to our Jim Dale episode for once.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: What episode was that again, Micah?

Micah: 137.

Eric: 137. There we go. And the numbers 137 do not appear in sequence in the MuggleCast hotline number – I just looked at it – but if you do want to leave us a voicemail, please remember you can do that. The hotline is open 24 hours a day. That number to leave us a voicemail, the MuggleCast hotline, is 323-984-8547.

Andrew: Okay.

Eric: We’re here for you. [as Miss Cleo] Call me now. I’m Miss Cleo.


Show Close


Andrew: And also a plug for Hype. It’s the new podcast on Hypable.com. Well, it’s six episodes old now. I don’t know. By MuggleCast days, age, then Hype looks very new.

Eric: [in a high-pitched voice] It’s a baby!

Andrew: [laughs] We’re recording Episode 7 this Friday. New episode out. We’ll be talking about the Divergent sequel. Already booked for a sequel. Can you believe it? And Mortal Instruments also getting a sequel, second movie. These are big, big, big, highly anticipated book-to-film adaptations, and we’ll be talking about a lot more on Friday. So you can look forward to the new episode, or just listen to Episode 6 right now.

Micah: Awesome.

Andrew: And don’t forget the MuggleCast website: MuggleCast.com. Like Eric said, we’ve got the voicemail number. We’ve got to update the voicemail number on the Contact page. People are probably still trying to call that.

Eric: Oh.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: I can edit that right now.

Andrew: Okay. And then follow us on Twitter: Twitter.com/MuggleCast, our Facebook: Facebook.com/MuggleCast, and the fan Tumblr: MuggleCast.Tumblr.com.

Eric: Shout out to Allie and… Ashley?

Micah: You can also…

Andrew: They need to update it because the second-most recent post is you with the tattoo, which is nice but…

Eric: [laughs] That’s old.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah. No, that’s true.

Andrew: Go ahead, Micah.

Micah: I was going to add that you can rate and review us on iTunes, but this is the wrong show for that. I think we’ve had plenty of “rate and reviews” over the course of the last seven-plus years.

Andrew: But they’re great to read through. It’s great to hear people’s feedback about the show because we hear from people that they love the show and whatnot, but it’s nice to hear them not directly speaking to us about the show.

Micah: Exactly.

Andrew: They’re talking to potential listeners.

Micah: Yeah, I think that’s the key. I mean, we joke around about it on Game of Owns, which is our Game of Thrones podcast that we do in conjunction with Hypable. Eric, myself, Selina, who is also on MuggleCast, and then Zack, another one of our friends. But we jokingly force them to do this five-star review every time that they do a “rate and review” of the show. It’s become a running joke, but I really like the point that you just made, and one of the things that we stress is the fact that by them talking about it, it allows other people to see what the product is and the fact that there might be other people out there who are potentially interested, and it’s just a way for them to help communicate that to other potential listeners.

Eric: It’s Allie and Angel over at the MuggleCast Tumblr. Gosh, I felt so terrible.

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: [laughs] Because at one part of the page it says, “Run by Allie.” It doesn’t have Angel. But then both their contact info is listed.

[Show music begins]

Eric: You guys have got to update your site and I promise to update ours, okay? There you go.

Andrew: Well, while we’re thanking people, another thank you to the MuggleCast transcribers.

Eric: [laughs] Yes, and I will send you all of the voicemails in advance this time.

Andrew: We appreciate your hard work as well.

Eric: Thank you.

Andrew: So that’s it. We’ll see everybody next time for Episode 266, where there will be more fun news to discuss in the world of Harry Potter. Goodbye!

Eric: Maybe a “Butterbeer.” I’ll talk to you later. Bye!

[Show music continues]

Transcript #264

MuggleCast 264 Transcript


Show Intro


[“Hedwig’s Theme” plays]

Andrew: Because spring has sprung and we’re turning a new leaf, this is MuggleCast Episode 264 for April 28th, 2013.

[Show music begins]

Andrew: This week’s podcast is brought to you by Audible.com, the Internet’s leading provider of audiobooks with more than 100,000 downloadable titles across all types of literature, including fiction, non-fiction, and periodicals. For a free audiobook of your choice, go to AudiblePodcast.com/MuggleCast.

[Show music continues]

Andrew: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 264. We’re in our final countdown. Dun dun duh.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Sorry to start the show off on a note like that, but Micah, Eric, and I are here. We have a couple of news items to talk about. We’ve got Pottermore and we’ve got some voicemails.

Eric: Oh, yeah.

Andrew: I have some thoughts on Pottermore, and I’m going to try to stay positive about it this time.

Eric: Stay positive.

Micah: You try.

Andrew: A new leaf.

Micah: I want you to try. I cannot promise the same thing.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: We’re operating like a swear jar now, here on MuggleCast, but it’s for like the Pottermore negative jar, and we have to pay a quarter every time we’re negative about Pottermore. So we may still make some comments that don’t sit right with people who really love Pottermore, but we’re paying the jar.

Andrew: I just thought, it’s spring time, new leaves are on the trees. Everything is blooming. I thought I would bloom into something more beautiful, and that would be somebody who likes Pottermore.

Eric: And also something beautiful is the royal family of England.

Andrew: Yes. They visited the Harry Potter Studio Tour the other day, Micah. Did you know this?

Micah: I heard about this, yeah. And JK Rowling just happened to be there.

Andrew: Well, of course it was planned.

[Eric laughs]


Micah: A Bad Podcaster?


Andrew: So do you want to tell us about this? Are you still our news man? [laughs]

Micah: I don’t really think it’s right for me to be the news person anymore.

Andrew: All right, you’re fired.

Micah: I’m gone? That’s it?

Andrew: MuggleCast 264: It ends here. [laughs]

Micah: You know what?

Eric: Why can’t you be the news man anymore?

Micah: There might be something – or rather someone – who agrees with you, Andrew.

Andrew: What are you talking about?

Micah: As far as my knowledge of the Harry Potter world is concerned these days.

Eric: Oh, God.

Micah: I actually guest-hosted an episode of Alohomora!, which is a podcast over on MuggleNet, just like ours and MuggleNet Academia. And for people out there who may not have heard of them, I definitely suggest giving them a listen. They do some really great in-depth analysis of the series, going chapter by chapter. So I was on the show, and I thought I did a great job because let’s face it, how long have I been doing this now?

Eric: Eight years.

Micah: Seven years, eight years. Yeah.

Andrew: You’re a pro. You’re a seasoned pro.

Micah: Over 260 episodes. I’ve spoken to David Heyman, David Yates…

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: …Warwick Davis…

Andrew: Wow, name-dropping.

Micah: Right? I mean, come on!

Eric: Well, you did lose that duel, Micah. You lost that duel.

Micah: Maybe. Yeah, I did. But look, you know what it was? I gave it to David Heyman.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: I mean, how are you going to have him on the show and not have him win the duel?

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: This is true. It was rigged. It’s fake.

Micah: But anyway, this is the point. AmyH wrote a review on iTunes, which has four stars, and she says:

“Love the show, but screen your guests better. The best part about your show is that you know so much and can share so much insight about the HP world. You also usually have guests who present different viewpoints and remember different information, thereby improving the conversation as a whole. Your recent episode with Micah (sp?) did not live up to that. He didn’t know much at all and kept rehashing a weird horrible fan-fiction-esque joke so much that I almost turned off the episode partway through. Stick with people who can enhance the episode – I didn’t feel like this guy did so. Love learning about HP though and hope to hear many more!”

Eric: So that was a review of Alohomora!?

Micah: That was a review of the episode I was on, on Alohomora!

Andrew: You’ve lost your touch!

Eric: Tough break, Micah. Tough break.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I must have lost my touch.

Andrew: You have.

Micah: I can’t enhance the episode?

Andrew: Well, try to win people back today. I’m sure you’ll have lots of interesting commentary prepared.

Micah: I’m going to try. I’m not going to say one bad thing about Pottermore. I’m not going to say one bad thing about JK Rowling.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Eric: And definitely, whatever you do, don’t mention fan fiction.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Yeah, what was with that?

Eric: I have no idea.

Micah: I thought people were all about that.

Andrew: So…

Eric: [laughs] Certain people?


News: The Royal Family and JK Rowling Visit Harry Potter Studio Tour


Andrew: So like Eric alluded to, the royal family visited the Harry Potter Studio Tour. It was kind of a nice little surprise, I don’t think we knew it was going to happen. Kate Middleton, Prince William, Prince Harry, the three of them were there for an inauguration – it was The Duke of Cambridge’s Inauguration. I don’t know exactly what that means, inaugurating a place, but they gave a little speech about what Harry Potter has done for the British film industry. And then they had a tour, and they went around the Harry Potter sets, and they hopped on the Batmobile – or the Batcycle, whatever that is – because that’s at the WB Studio Tour as well. And great pictures, JK Rowling was there, and in the background of one of them you can see Neil, her husband, David Heyman, David Yates, and Mike Newell. Mike Newell, of course, the Goblet of Fire director. David Yates, the Order of the Phoenix through Deathly Hallows director.

Eric: How must that be, to be them and just get a call saying, “Hey, you want to come over to Leavesden? We’re going to get Kate Middleton, Prince William, Prince Harry over here.”

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Eric: And Leavesden, where they lived for years and years and years, and now it’s just this tourist place…

Andrew: Well…

Eric: …and they’re going to go and meet the Queen… the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge.

Andrew: I also wonder if this was JK Rowling’s first time at the Studio Tour because if you think about it…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: …we’ve never seen photos of her at the… I’m serious! We’ve never seen photos of her at the Studio Tour. Not even the red carpet grand opening, I don’t think she was there.

Eric: She’s avoided it like the plague. I don’t know why.

Andrew: Well, it took…

Micah: She was probably writing The Casual Vacancy.

Andrew: Oh, maybe.

Eric: Yeah, that’s true.

Andrew: Yeah, but…

Micah: I’m making that up. I don’t really know if that’s the truth or not.

Andrew: [laughs] Of course not.

Eric: Well, the thing of it is – honestly though, we’ve heard nothing but great… Andrew, have you gotten a bad review of the Studio Tour? I mean, everybody seems to really love it.

Andrew: Yeah, the only complaint I’m aware of is that it’s not the theme park. [laughs] Because all the Brits seem to be like, “Why isn’t there a theme park here?”

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: “We made the books and films.” But yeah, everybody really likes the Studio Tour.

Eric: And I wanted to mention, I’m looking at the post on Hypable, and there’s a video of Kate Middleton and Prince William dueling.

Andrew: Yeah, it looks like they had fun with their… they were given some wands and there’s some photos of them pointing their wands up in the sky, and it’s cute.

Micah: She better be careful. Isn’t she pregnant?

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: It couldn’t be good for the baby.

Andrew: I have sources there who tell me in that photo of JK Rowling and Kate Middleton that Kate is actually trying to get her to come on MuggleCast…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: …and JK Rowling is apparently still saying no.

Eric: Yes, I can caption this photo. “You’d like it!”

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Can I just say though, I’ve been very impressed by the response of our listeners who have tweeted at JK Rowling, asking her to come on to the show before we wrap up in August.

Andrew: Yes. Thank you.

Eric: Your challenge was met with, I’d say, a renowned, resounding response.

Andrew: Yeah, and it’s been really fun to retweet those on the MuggleCast Twitter…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: …to continue riling up the troops. And one person said, “You know, I don’t think the Twitter thing is going to work,” and I said, I replied, “I know. Don’t worry, we’re trying other channels as well.”

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: This is just a fun, public way to try and gather…

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Micah: So in this picture here, do you think JK Rowling is saying to Kate, “Hey, let me tell you about what it’s like to be queen”?

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: Probably.

Andrew: Yeah, maybe she’s…

Eric: A passing of the torch. Symbolic, metaphoric.

Andrew: They were both wearing polka dots that day.

Eric: I see Jo in a coat. I don’t see her polka dots.

Andrew: Well, if you look at her lower half, she’s wearing a… if you scroll through the pictures, and there’s another one, and her skirt is also polka dots.

Micah: Oh, yeah.

Andrew: Oh, stop it, Micah!

Micah: You said her lower half!

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: What do you mean, yelling at me?

Andrew: Well, I…

Eric: This is why… you’re not enhancing the episode right now, Micah.

Micah: Yes, I am!

Andrew: [laughs] But I doubt they planned that. I’m sure that was a happy coincidence and they have…

Eric: Oh, my God. I do see it. Yes, Jo is in polka… slightly larger polka dots, though.

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: But she’s more seasoned. So…

Andrew: Representative of her financial wealth compared to Kate.

Eric: Yeah. [laughs] The width… the diameter of the polka dot.

Andrew: Yeah. But everybody loved those pictures. They were all around Facebook and Twitter that day. I think that was on Friday. So…

Micah: But this is going to become a trend though, isn’t it? When you have celebrities… and I guess in this case more dignitaries, but celebrities visit the Studio Tour. Just like with the theme park down in Orlando – and soon to be LA – you always get these alerts, these photos, that surface of celebrities going on rides and doing the tour and stuff like that.

Andrew: Mhm. Yeah, but this one, this is as big as it can get in England, I think.

Eric: Yeah. This is huge, and…

Andrew: British royalty.

Eric: I’m signed up for press from the Studio Tour and they sent an email and they were like, “We have really, really, really big news.” And it was this, so this is a big deal. And for David Heyman, David Yates to show up and be present as sort of the figureheads, the people who were behind what they were essentially about to see when they were walking in and then saw… it’s just really cool. It was almost like a royal wedding I wanted to say, except it wasn’t televised. It was just an official, stately event. It’s pretty cool.

Micah: Has President Obama gone over there? I know that his daughters had visited the set at one point, but I don’t know if they’ve been to the… or have they?

Eric: Yeah, I don’t know. That would be an interesting question.

Andrew: I feel like that’s not a priority for President Obama.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Maybe his daughters.

Eric: He’s got to, like, end world hunger.

Micah: Maybe in a couple of years, right?

Andrew and Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Three, four more years. Then he could go.

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News: Wizarding World of Harry Potter Hollywood and Orlando Updates


Andrew: Micah mentioned the theme park a moment ago. There are a couple of theme park updates. First of all, the Hollywood one, that’s officially going to happen now. It was announced in December 2011, and they said they were going to do it, but it only got green-lit a couple of days ago by NBC. [laughs]

Eric: Green-lit.

Andrew: So now construction is going to begin Summer 2013 – so this summer – and there’s no opening date yet but it’s probably going to be like 2015, I assume.

Eric: So this is California you’re talking about?

Andrew: Yeah, the Hollywood Wizarding World, which is probably going to be somewhat of a clone. It’s not going to have… I mean, I don’t know how… they don’t have much room, so they’re not going to be building that Dueling Dragons coaster. They’re definitely going to have Forbidden Journey, we know that, and I assume they’ll have the Hagrid ride as well.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Buckbeak. And the shops. So I think this is going to be a smaller one of Orlando.

Eric: Well you always said there was no room, but aren’t they actually tearing down an amphitheater or something?

Andrew: Yeah, they’re taking out the Gibson Amphitheater.

Eric: I mean, that’s a pretty big deal. That’s a lot of space.

Andrew: Yeah, but they had zero space to build this. So they have to knock out something.

Eric: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Andrew: It’s not like they have a lot of land to work with to begin with, and the Gibson theater. It’s just that they have no land. [laughs]

Eric: [laughs] Okay.

Andrew: So yeah, they’re knocking out that and the Curious George ride and the WaterWorld thing.

Eric: Yes, I saw an angry tweet. It was like, “F you, Curious George!”

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: “Move in, Harry Potter! Woo!” And I was like, that’s a little harsh for the monkey, okay?

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Curious George was big time back in the day, okay?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: You remember this, Micah? You’re telling us a story?

Micah: Yeah. Absolutely.

Andrew: And down in…

Micah: There’s no more to that story. That’s it. That’s all.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: It was big in its day. I believe you, man. The Man in the Yellow Hat? The big yellow hat? I remember that, kind of, from my childhood. A little before me.

Andrew: Down in Orlando, there’s the expansion happening there. The London slash Diagon Alley land at Universal Studios, and they’re making big progress. I mean, if you look at these photos, there are… it’s completely vertical now. You can see the London waterfront, how the buildings are going to line the London waterfront. You can see Platform 9 3/4 because of the archway. It’s just really coming together really quickly. It’s rumored to be opening next summer in June or July, and…

Micah: Is that why LeakyCon is going there next year?

Andrew: I don’t know. You would think, you would… yeah, that must be why. [laughs]

Micah: Does somebody have some inside information we don’t know about?

Andrew: No, that just must be why.

Micah: Oh.

Andrew: Well, it’s… they’re… I don’t know if they have reliable inside sources, but it’s a fair guess.

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: And…

Eric: Yeah, I agree.

Andrew: …somebody told MuggleNet that there’s going to be an announcement in another four or five weeks, I think, at this point. So…

Eric: Yeah, they were down… some of the MuggleNet staff was down, and I don’t have the full story either. I haven’t talked to them yet. But they were down in Orlando for the Quidditch World Cup which was in Kissimmee, Florida, and they went to Orlando and started talking with some of the staff, and they got some confirmations, I guess, that there would, in fact, be a Gringotts cart coaster. And so we were saying for a while, what rides could they do in the Muggle world? The Muggle world is typically pretty boring, but having the Diagon Alley side of things instead of just the Hogsmeade, they could do a Gringotts ride. So we were looking forward to that.

Andrew: Yeah, and I still think it’ll be based on the Deathly Hallows: Part 2 scene.

Eric: I think so too, considering what… Bellatrix was there, or they were filming…

Andrew: Right.

Eric: …scenes for the train as well, right?

Andrew: Yeah, but the Bellatrix thing – that would make sense if it’s going to be… I forgot all about that, that the…

Eric: Getting into her vault and…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …stuff like that because, yeah, something like that. I think you’re right. And then, if they do have her on the train, it would be like… I believe the news was that there were multiple sequences, so that maybe different things happen to you when you’re on the train at different times.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: So maybe one time you’ll get there safely, another time the Death Eaters will board the train or something.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: I don’t know.

Micah: Could be Dementors.

Andrew: Do you get a ticket refund if you don’t make it all the way to the other side?

Eric: [laughs] And then you don’t have to buy a park pass. They’re just like, “We’ll let you out here.” Or maybe the lady will come by with the trolley and make you buy park passes if you want to go in between.

Andrew: Well, I’m kind of imagining it’ll also be like the Star Tours ride at Disneyland where there’s… the new version of it, there’s multiple story-lines and outcomes. It’s completely random each time, so you get different stories each time. So I’m thinking maybe it could be something like that. I just… this train idea just sounds like a mess to me because it’s going to hold a limited…

Micah: Positive, Andrew. Positive.

Andrew: Well, it’s…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Well, yeah, but it’s going to hold a limited number of people. Imagine how many people are going to be wanting to ride this train. The wait is going to be so long for this ten-minute ride. Of course it’ll be cool and everybody will want to do it, don’t get me wrong, it’s just… it seems like the ride capacity is not going to be very high. I have a headache just thinking about waiting in line already.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: It’s like taking the subway in New York.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: But…

Eric: Only with more space to move around.

Micah: Eric, you touched on this a little bit, but do you think maybe you could see different scenarios play out depending on the actual time of day? So morning versus in the evening, you’d have different scenarios playing out?

Eric: Maybe, but what kind of thing would they do, morning versus night?

Micah: Scarier stuff at night. I don’t know.

Eric: Oh, I wonder. That would be interesting if it was for time of day. But yeah, if you… if the line is long, like Andrew was saying, you’ll wait in the morning and get on at night. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. They did such a great job with Forbidden Journey. And that’s a good point, Micah, because when you’re riding this train, you’re not going to be able to look out real windows. By the way, I don’t know if… in case people forget, the train is going to connect the existing Wizarding World with the new Diagon Alley land. They’re both in… they’re in separate parks, so you’re going to take this train and there’s this train track that runs behind Universal. You’re not going to be able to look out the real windows because you would just see buildings…

Micah: Oh, okay.

Andrew: …so that would be lame. So it’s going to be virtual. So yeah, Micah, when you’re riding that at night, you would think that the scenes are going to be all nighttime scenes versus…

Micah: Yeah, it would make sense.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah, it does make sense.

Micah: And then, how about people to play out roles on the train itself?

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: Ooh!

Micah: Similar to characters that we see at the Wizarding World right now, and nobody really comes to mind other than the wizard in Ollivander’s shop and the Durmstrang and Beauxbatons…

Eric: And the train conductor.

Micah: …performers.

Eric: Everybody loves the train conductor.

Micah: Oh, yeah. Can’t forget about the train conductor.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: But they do have strong actors…

Micah: He’s going to have a job now. He can’t just stand outside the Hogwarts Express.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: See, I wonder if they’re…

Eric: They put him out of a job.

Andrew: I wonder if they’re going to keep that train there.

Micah: Probably not.

Andrew: Yeah, I’m split on that.

Micah: Maybe they’ll change it into something else.

Andrew: Because that’s such a great photo opportunity, and you won’t be able to stand in front of the real train, obviously, once the real one is there. So I feel like they may actually keep it.

Eric: I think… yeah, I agree. I agree with that.

Andrew: It’ll be interesting. I’m excited to see all the changes.

Micah: So are we anticipating another grand reopening in this case?

Eric: I certainly am. I call dibs on getting the MuggleNet pass to go there.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: I’m really interested. Yeah, it’ll be a lot of fun.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Considering the last time… well, there were two. There were several, I feel like, grand openings throughout the years. But the most recent one was the Home Entertainment Celebration when the eighth film came out on DVD, and they just rolled a red carpet out from the center of Hogsmeade all the way out to… past the Sinbad thing and… yeah, it was just a lot of fun and they kind of… the environment fit. But for Universal, why wouldn’t they? Right? They have City Walk, they have their whole hotel experience. I guarantee you there will be another big event for that.

Andrew: Oh, yeah.

Micah: I have a very serious question: Will they move Ollivander’s?

Andrew: I think…

Eric: That’s the thing, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, I think there’s speculation about that. They should just have it in both lands.

Eric: I think that’s the practical – or rather the capitalist – thing to do, is be like, “This was Ollivander’s Hogsmeade outpost and always was,” but they’ll probably build another one and also have it in Diagon Alley at the same time. Because wands are among kind of the… I don’t want to say the coolest merchandise, but a lot of people really dig them.

Andrew: And the line for that was so long always, and you have to stand outside to wait to get in. So…

Eric: It’s true.

Andrew: …having two will maybe alleviate that…

Micah: That’s a good point.

Andrew: …a little bit. Even though it’s two separate parks. So it may not alleviate it at all. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah. I’m trying to remember the last time I was in the park at Universal in Florida. It was probably August, last August during Ascendio. But even then, the Harry Potter merchandise had completely overtaken the regular Universal Studios gift shops which I was blown away, but there just really wasn’t enough shelf room in the Wizarding World of Harry Potter to cover all the merchandise that you could possibly get. And so it was duplicated and repeated, even over in the regular park where you cannot access the Wizarding World without having an Islands of Adventure pass and going in Islands of Adventure. Back in Universal Studios, those gift shops, too, were overrun with Quidditch gear and house scarves and all that other stuff. So clearly Harry Potter has just completely overtaken… it’s like Harry fever all over again, but the regular park. And that was long before, like you’re saying… the regular Muggle world side of it isn’t even open yet and already I’ve just seen all this Harry Potter stuff everywhere, so I’m sure it’ll be huge whenever it happens.

MuggleCast 264 Transcript (continued)


News: Chris Columbus Writes New Book, House of Secrets


Andrew: Okay, so let’s move on. One other news item today: Chris Columbus, he released his first children’s book titled House of Secrets, which I keep wanting to call House of Cards because of the Netflix show.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: But, Eric, you went to a book signing, I think, of his, right?

Eric: I was at a book signing. He came to a place called Winnetka, Illinois, which is on the north shore, north of Chicago, and it’s actually not too far from Wilmette and some of the filming locations for Home Alone. So he was really happy to be back, and as it turns out, he’s got a bunch of in-laws and stuff up here, so a lot of his family was at this book signing. But it was really cool. He did a short talk about how the book came to be. He’s co-writing what’s going to be a trilogy with another young adult author named Ned Vizzini. And he just kind of… it was a short event. He talked for maybe twenty minutes and then read an excerpt of his book, which is really good, guys. And I just want to give this my recommendation. I don’t know if an audiobook has been released yet, but I do have audio of him reading his book. [laughs] But yeah, he read a chapter from it.

Micah: Does he know that you have that audio?

Eric: No. No, he doesn’t. But surprise! No. Actually, JK Rowling wrote on the front cover. Her quote appears on the front cover, obviously. It says, “A breakneck roller-coaster of an adventure.” And so JK Rowling really liked this book. I really like this book. I’m only about a hundred pages in, but it’s about two… well, it’s about three siblings, and it’s two girls and a boy, and they both… actually, let me… no. Yes. I think so. Give me a moment.

Andrew: Yeah. No, that’s right.

Eric: Yeah. It’s about two girls and a boy. So it is a trio, and I actually brought that up to him in a Q&A. He was kind of offended. He was like, “Everybody says it’s always a trio!” Percy Jackson is a trio. Harry Potter is a trio. But no, he just said that the dynamic works really well for a trio, and I get that being a writer and all that. But it’s a really good book. It’s fantasy. It’s about these young siblings who essentially… their father was a surgeon and something happened and he lost his job, and now they’re having to relocate but they relocate to actually this surprisingly affordable mysterious old mansion. And it’s got… it’s in San Francisco with a view of the Golden Gate bridge, and before they know it, they’re lost in this house which used to belong to an old fantasy author himself. So they find themselves in the old world of this fantasy author, and it’s really, really quite cool. Just really another good children’s book. This is kind of the book I expected JK Rowling’s next book to be because it’s really enjoyable for kids. It’s an action adventure, and something like that. So Chris Columbus, the director of the first two Harry Potter films, is now a children’s author.

Micah: Did you invite him on MuggleCast when you met him?

Eric: No, but I have his publicist’s contact info so we can possibly get him on to talk about it.

Andrew: Yeah, we should try that.

Eric: Yeah. We should probably cut that out. [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] No, it’s fine. So we have a video on Hypable. One of our readers attended his New York City event at Union Square, actually, where we’ve podcasted a couple of times.

Eric: Oh, no way!

Andrew: And he spoke about how he got help from JK Rowling. He said, “I sent Jo Rowling the…” by the way, he says [pronounces “Raouling”] Rowling in the video, which is like, oh, come on, man.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: So he said, “I sent Jo Rowling the manuscript of this when we finished it for some advice. She gave me some advice that we were moving too fast, and there was some character work that needed to be put in because the story was at too much of a roller-coaster pace. So we made some of those changes, and then a few weeks later, I got an email from her, and it was the quote that’s on the back of the book. And I thought, ‘That’s an incredibly generous thing to do. She did not have to do that.’ And it really makes all the difference in the world because she rarely does something like that.” And after reading this, I realized, have we ever seen a quote on a book before from JK Rowling? One of these little reviews?

Eric: Melissa Anelli’s book has had… well, she didn’t…

Andrew: It had the foreword, yeah.

Eric: She wrote the foreword. Now, that’s even more… I’d say that’s even more intense.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: To write a foreword for the book. But yeah, I haven’t seen… I’m trying to think where else it would be, like maybe a review or something like that. But no, you’re used to seeing other people’s reviews of her books in her books, you know? It’s very odd that she’s now reviewing other people’s books. But I think it says most about the relationship between them. And…

Andrew: Yeah…

Eric: Yeah, go ahead.

Andrew: I also thought it was like this, kind of, beautiful circle moment, where back with the first films, Chris Columbus brought her characters to life, and now she’s returning the favor, helping him. I thought that was nice.

Eric: That quote, by the way – I have the book right here – the quote that she provided, the full quote, is: “A breakneck, jam-packed, roller-coaster of an adventure about the secret power of books, House of Secrets comes complete with three resourceful sibling heroes, a seriously creepy villainess, and barrel-loads of fantasy and fear.” And that quote “barrel-loads” is actually a reference to the book. I know that already. [laughs]

Andrew: And the reviews on Amazon are pretty positive, so check it out.

Eric: Yeah, like I said, I’ve enjoyed reading it thus far, and it’s a quick read too. It is 450 pages, but I’m reading it really fast.

Micah: Cool.


Pottermore Discussion: Chapters 8 to 15


Andrew: So that’s it for news, other than one of the bigger news items – quote, unquote – of the past month, which is that Prisoner of Azkaban released their latest batch of chapters. We got Chapters 8 through 15. And, as usual, what I like to do on Hypable is just go through them and do a breakdown of what’s new in each chapter. And Chapter 8… we’ll go through it in more detail in a second, but Chapter 8, we’ve got new content from JK Rowling about the Hogwarts portraits. Chapter 9, there was nothing. Chapter 10, there was new content from JK Rowling about the Marauder’s Map. Chapter 11, new content about Gobstones. Chapter 12 had this little blurb about Dementors and chocolate. It says, “New writing from JK Rowling,” but it’s nothing really new, factually speaking.

Eric: Hmmm.

Andrew: Chapter 13, new writing about the Firebolt. And then Chapters 14 and 15, there weren’t anything. So let’s start with Chapter 8. There was… JK Rowling wrote about the Hogwarts portraits, and this chapter is “Flight of the Fat Lady.”

“The degree to which [the portraits] can interact with the people looking at them depends not on the skill of the painter, but on the power of the witch or wizard painted.

When a magical portrait is taken, the witch or wizard artist will naturally use enchantments to ensure that the painting will be able to move in the usual way. The portrait will be able to use some of the subject’s favorite phrases and imitate their general demeanor. Thus, Sir Cadogan’s portrait is forever challenging people to a fight, falling off its horse, and behaving in a fairly unbalanced way, which is how the subject appeared to the poor wizard who had to paint him, while the portrait of the Fat Lady continues to indulge her love of good food, drink, and tip-top security long after her living model passed away.”

Micah: So this suggests that portraits are done while people are still living as opposed to somebody who might paint a picture of a professor or somebody in the wizarding world after they passed.

Andrew: That’s a good point. Yeah.

Eric: Hmmm. Yeah, it seems that they have to be sitting for their portrait.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. And it kind of makes me think back to Dumbledore. You wonder when his portrait was taken, or when he sat for his portrait. And I also wonder if it’s kind of like… [laughs] what kind of discussion is that like? “All right, it’s time to take your portrait. We’ve got to do it before you die.” [laughs]

Eric: [laughs] Yeah. Well, I mean as a headmaster too, because all the headmasters of Hogwarts have a portrait of them. I assume it’s fairly standard, right?

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, probably.

Eric: So that’s true. But…

Andrew: It was some interesting insight into the personalities because there’s always been some questions about how that works.

Eric: Yeah, and we’ve always been unsure just how much of the person is in their portrait as well.

Andrew: Sort of like with ghosts, right? I think we’ve discussed that to some extent.

Eric: Yeah, with ghosts, whether they’re just sort of imprints – [laughs] imprint – of their former selves or if they have the memories and all that.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: And the books are kind of vague on that, so it’s always been interesting to read about portraits and ghosts.

Andrew: Chapter 10, “The Marauder’s Map,” had new content about the Marauder’s Map.

“The magic used in the map’s creation is advanced and impressive; it includes the Homonculous Charm, enabling the possessor of the map to track the movements of every person in the castle, and it was also enchanted to forever repel (as insultingly as possible) the curiosity of their nemesis, Severus Snape.”

So that we already knew, but it dived into a little bit more information.

“Although the precise circumstances surrounding the makers’ loss of their map are not given in the ‘Harry Potter’ novels, it is easy to conclude that they eventually over-reached themselves and were cornered by Argus Filch, probably on a tip-off from Snape, whose obsession it had become to expose his arch-rival, James Potter, in wrongdoing. The masterpiece of a map was confiscated in Sirius, James, Remus, and Peter’s final year and none of them were able to steal it back from a well-prepared and suspicious Filch.”

Eric: It sounds like Filch really had a heyday. He was on the top of his… he somehow acquired the map. Obviously he couldn’t operate it, but they were outsmarted and the Marauders couldn’t get it back. So it seems like Filch must have been on the top of his game.

Andrew: Yeah. Even though when we come to meet him in the Harry Potter books, he’s kind of past his prime. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: He’s just the crazy old man still running around the school.

[Eric laughs]

Micha: Yeah.

Andrew: That’s an interesting…

Micah: That’d be interesting to see him in his heyday. You see some of what he really enjoys, I think, in Order of the Phoenix when Umbridge is able to take over. But it’s hard to imagine him though, knowing his character now, as being sort of this disciplinarian that was able to do as he saw fit and that he could actually outsmart anybody.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, no, and the other thing about the Marauder’s Map is that it seems like the map insulted, or would have only insulted, Severus Snape. Like that’s why it insults him. But maybe, I think, it was only programmed to insult him. Like if anybody else tried to get to the map it would just lay blank and wouldn’t lay comments like “greasy git,” “hooked-nose,” all that other stuff. I think that was programmed in there just for Snape because the Marauders didn’t like Snape.

Andrew: I wonder how old he lived to.

Eric: Who?

Andrew: Filch. Sorry.

Eric: Oh. Yeah, I wonder.

Andrew: Because I’m just reading in a little history here on one of the Wikipedia profiles that he came to the school around 1973. So by the time we’re introduced to him, he’d been there for like twenty, twenty-five, thirty years already.

Eric: No kidding.

Micah: It’s going to take him a long time to clean up after the battle, so…

Andrew: [laughs] Oh, right. Yeah.

Micah: …at least he’s going to be employed for a while. But these chapters are interesting because they all give you deeper insight into items as opposed to characters. And so I wonder if people are more interested on Pottermore in learning about these different objects, as opposed to learning about the characters in the series. I would feel like more people would want to know backstory on characters.

Eric: That’s fair. But then again, I think the object… the relationship between these objects and the people is pretty strong. It’s about the Marauder’s map, sure, but who made it? The Marauders. So any more information we get about the map also reflects back on the Marauders. Like there’s story about bewitching it to get rid of Snape, and then also the fact that they eventually have to surrender it to Filch. That’s more about them.

Micah: Yeah. No, it’s a fair point. I mean, I haven’t really spent any time on Pottermore in a while, and I just feel like unfortunately what I’ll do is go and read these articles on Hypable or MuggleNet when they get released and learn about the new content that way. And part of me doesn’t want to say that because I was initially so pumped for something like Pottermore, and for this online community to live and breathe, and have this level of interaction that I don’t think we’ve ever seen before. But it just… I feel like in a way… without being too negative, I feel like a lot of its lustre has been lost.

Eric: Hmmm. Possibly.

Micah: You feel like that’s fair to say, or…

Eric: Well, yeah. I mean…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …what you need is the PlayStation Home version of Pottermore…

[Micah laughs]

Eric: …which is really gorgeous.

Andrew: But we’ve talked about this before. I don’t think this is anything new. It’s just the whole losing its lustre sort of thing. I mean, I was thinking back the other day. Remember when everybody was so excited, what’s this new Harry Potter announcement from JK Rowling? There was this chance for this to really rock the Harry Potter fandom. And it did, and then… I mean, I’ll give you one example with these new chapters to present a new part of this argument here. Chapter 12 is “The Patronus.” Why don’t we get our Patronus? We get our wands, we got sorted, so everybody assumed that we would be getting our Patronus as well.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: And that’s disappointed people. I think they’re… oh, here, one person in the Hypable comments said maybe the Patronus test will come with Order of the Phoenix.

Eric: Right, when the DA learns to do Patronuses.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Possibly.

Andrew: But I feel like…

Eric: I mean, they have a second chance. They’re lucky to have a second chance. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. But shouldn’t they be doing that sooner rather than later, the Patronus thing? Because as a student, you learn it early on…

Eric: When Harry learns it?

Andrew: Yeah. Right.

Eric: Hmmm. Yeah.

Andrew: Well, anyway…

Eric: Possibly.

Micah: Yeah, I mean, I didn’t… I’m not trying to get down on it because I still think it’s a great place to go and I think you get to do a lot of cool things, you learn a lot of cool information. The other thing for me is, does Pottermore have any plans moving forward to release a guide, a calendar, as to when they’re going to be putting out more chapters?

Andrew: No.

Micah: Because the whole “surprise, there’s new chapters,” it just doesn’t hit people the same way. Whereas I think if they had something tangible, they can know, okay, I’m going to go back in the first month… or sorry, the first day of May and I’m going to have new chapters available. I’m going to go back on the 1st of September, there’s going to be new chapters. I just… what do you think?

Andrew: No, I don’t think they’ll do that.

Eric: I think it’s a fair point, though. They really should… I mean, something that we can rely on. A timetable.

Andrew: But why? Are people honestly going to be counting down the days until they get to read…

Eric: Well, they can’t now. So how would you know, right? It’s not an opportunity for people…

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Or put a countdown up for the next chapters on the Pottermore website. Maybe you have to do something to unlock it, I don’t know, and it gives you the number of days until the next set of chapters that are going to be revealed.

Andrew: I’m not like… I don’t know. I’m not sitting here being like, “Oh, I can’t wait until I click around like a crazy madman, discovering little secrets on these Moments again. I can’t wait for that. Ooh.” Like there’s nothing to be excited about to look forward to with Pottermore that’s countdown worthy. That’s what I mean.

Micah: But out of the three of us right now who are hosting the show, how many of us logged in and unlocked this information?

Andrew: Well, I only did it because I have to cover it.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Micah: Eric, did you?

Andrew: I mean, it’s fun to read…

Eric: I’m relying on Andrew’s coverage right now.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Okay, so we’re oh for three…

Eric: I’m still on Book 1, okay? It’s terrible. I realize that.

Micah: We host a Harry Potter show, we have for more than seven years, and yet we’re oh for three in terms of utilizing this platform on a regular basis.

Andrew: Because they’re not utilizing it!

Eric: Or one for three on reading JK Rowling’s next book after Harry Potter. Your point? Come on! [laughs]

Andrew: But they’re not utilizing it. That’s part of the problem.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Why should we be utilizing it if they’re not? There’s nothing here, really. There’s stuff here…

Eric: We’re not that hard to please, is what I think you’re all trying to say. We’re not hard to please, but they haven’t pleased us yet.

Andrew: This just makes everybody want the encyclopedia more. Anyway…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: …let’s continue on.

Eric: Did we forget… what did they say about Dementors and chocolate? Do you have that?

Andrew: Where is it here? It was so brief. I mean, I’ll try to pull it up, but…

Eric: Okay.

Andrew: …it was just a real… it was like one paragraph and it was just like a summary sort of thing. While I’m looking that up, in “The Firebolt” chapter there was new content about Gobstones. Now, this… I mean, this is like a minority sport. Can somebody read that while I’m looking this up?

Eric: Sure. I’ll read this. It’s on Gobstones. Now, I remember Gobstones from the books. There was really only a few games that people play: Quidditch, Gobstones, Wizard’s Chess.

“Professional Gobstone players compete in national leagues and international tournaments, but it remains a minority sport within the wizarding world, and does not enjoy a very ‘cool’ reputation, something its devotees tend to resent. Gobstones is most popular among very young wizards and witches, but they generally ‘grow out’ of the game, becoming more interested in Quidditch as they grow older.”

Andrew: So…

Eric: So that’s like, what, T-ball and baseball, right? [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, and it was kind of a cool little… I mean, did you guys remember reading about Gobstones? I certainly didn’t.

Eric: It was always present, right? In the background, somebody is always playing Gobstones in the courtyard or…

Micah: Yeah, they’re in the video games also.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Eric: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Micah: They have you play Gobstones, I think, in order to unlock certain achievements or…

Eric: Wizard cards or something.

Micah: Yeah, something along those lines. But I wonder why it didn’t enjoy a very cool reputation. To me it almost seems like people who play… and I’m not disrespecting anybody here, I’m just saying. I don’t know that playing chess sort of professionally carries necessarily a cool reputation with it.

Andrew: Right. Yeah, I was going to compare it to checkers.

Eric: [laughs] Versus chess. Well, also, what, marbles is a game. I mean, I would love to learn how to play marbles. But that’s a game, too, that people play. And dominos is a thing, it has something to do with math. So…

Micah: Everything is a sport these days, okay?

Andrew: Here’s the…

Eric: Well, it’s just a cool game to play. I mean, it’s cool that this subject is even touched on, I think, by JK Rowling. Again, it kind of makes sense, trying to flesh it out.

Andrew: Here’s the thing on Dementors and chocolate:

“The mood-enhancing properties of chocolate are well known in both the Muggle and wizard worlds. Chocolate is the perfect antidote for anyone who has been overcome in the presence of Dementors, which suck hope and happiness out of their surroundings.

Chocolate can only be a short-term remedy, however. Finding ways to fight off Dementors – or depression – are essential if one is to become permanently happier. Excessive chocolate consumption cannot benefit either Muggle or wizard.”

So it was just a goofy little thing.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: But that has the header “New from JK Rowling”…

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: …and we’re like, ehh. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah. No, I see your point there.

Andrew: Mhm. Okay, it’s a Firebolt thing. New content from JK Rowling in Chapter 13, “Gryffindor versus Ravenclaw.”

“Little did the Nimbus designers realize that a racing broom was in development that would knock them from their number one spot within twelve months of its release. This was the Firebolt, a top-secret project developed by Randolph Spudmore (son of Able Spudmore of Ellerby and Spudmore, who produced the Tinderblast in 1940…)”

[laughs] So it’s just these little behind-the-scenes pieces of information that obviously had no place in the book, really. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah. No, I love this and I love JK Rowling’s… we do a summary of this on Episode… well, the latest episode of Alohomora!, which I was able to join, as their first weekly episode just aired. And there’s about three or four paragraphs about the Firebolt. You’re right, Andrew. It’s just stuff about history. These people – Able Spudmore, Randolph Spudmore – never would ever appear in the book. But her names for brooms always amused me like no other. I mean, Tinderblast, Swiftstick…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: For a broom, it’s funny. It’s funny, but in terms of other content to really back up this kind of backstory being given, it is a little… it’s a desolate wasteland of nothing else besides these facts, Pottermore. So yeah.

Andrew: I made a Firebolt once for elementary school. I can’t remember…

Eric: Really?

Andrew: …what the assignment… yeah, but I had a broom…

Micah: You ate one or you made one?

Andrew: I made one!

Micah: Oh.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: And I painted it gold, and I made a whole box for it, and it was so much fun.

Eric: Oh, elementary school.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Eric: Well, it must have been… well, yeah, it could have been as early as, what, ’99? So…

Andrew: Yeah. I’ll have to try to find it.

Eric: I was eleven or something.

Andrew: The Firebolt always… as a kid, that was so exciting to read Harry getting the Firebolt because it’s like, wow, this new toy. Even though it wasn’t a toy. It’s, “Wow, this new… he’s so powerful now that he has the Firebolt.” It’s like us getting a new bicycle.

Eric: Yeah. No, that’s true. And even in the Pottermore review of the Firebolt it says, “Price available upon request,” so she’s not giving away or divulging how much the Firebolt actually costs.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: Which worries me [laughs] because it seems like a really expensive broom.

Micah: I just really like this because it shows her attention to detail and how much she’s actually fleshed out the detail, the story. Even something as simple as broomsticks. It has a history to it that she knows, and it’s somewhere in her head or it’s somewhere written down or in a box somewhere in her house, and this level of detail has been thought through. To me, that’s impressive.

Andrew: I wonder if she’s making some of this stuff up on the fly. Like Pottermore people say, “Hey, we need something for this chapter,” and then she’ll read the summary about the chapter and be like, “Okay, hmmm, what can I give them?” And then sometimes, as we know, she’ll look in her boxes of notes, or maybe other times she’s like, “Well, let me write something entirely new.”

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: I’d be interested to hear how her process with Pottermore works. So then, Chapters 14 and 15 there wasn’t really anything new, so that’s about it for the latest Pottermore chapters, and it seems like we’re getting a new batch, to answer your question earlier, Micah, about the countdown. Every season, it seems like, four releases a year. So maybe you can look forward to the next chapters in late summer.

Micah: Yeah, I guess.

Eric: In our concluding thought here about Pottermore, we owe our swear jar $5.75.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: For what?

Andrew: Micah has to pay because he brought up the discussion.

Eric: This is low, which is… it’s a low amount, it’s lower than I thought it would be.

Micah: I’ll pay it.

Andrew: Micah has to pay, yeah. He brought up the questions. The negative questions.

Eric: I charged myself two dollars for calling it a desolate wasteland. I thought that was pretty harsh.

Micah: I’m surprised, though, nothing in 14, “Snape’s Grudge.”

Andrew: About Snape?

Micah: There was no backstory or information available there.

Andrew: Yeah, it’s just… it’s really disappointing when you go on a Moment, and all you have to do is click around to try to find a Galleon. And that’s it.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: It’s like, why? [laughs]

Micah: Well, you’d think, also, that they would plan a little bit better from a chapter standpoint. For example, with “The Quidditch Final.” If they’re leaving you, they probably want to leave you on a high note, you would think. So they’d want to give you information in that last chapter because it’s going to be a long time, presumably, until that next set of chapters is released. So why not give you more information in that final chapter… you have it written here, there’s nothing noteworthy. That, to me, doesn’t make sense.

Eric: Hmmm. They’re leaving on a low note because they haven’t presented content for two chapters.

Andrew: Right. Leave us with something new!

Eric: So they should have stopped at Chapter 13, and then waited to develop more about 14 and 15.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Hmmm, interesting.

Andrew: Anyway…

Eric: And it’s now $7.25.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Micah, you’d better pay the man.

Micah: Who’s collecting?

Eric: The CEO. Charlie Redmayne.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: I almost said Eddie Redmayne, and that was like, he’ll sing to you but he’ll collect your money. Anyway…


Voicemails: Thank You, MuggleCast


Andrew: Let’s move on to voicemails now, we have several of them here. So hopefully we can move through these swiftly and intelligently.

Micah: I’ll try.

Eric: These voicemails are great, by the way. I did want to thank everybody for submitting them. The last month was our highest month of voicemails since we reopened the hotline.

Andrew: Right. Well, people listen now and they want to get in on the action.

Eric: People are doing it.

Andrew: Okay, so here’s the first one.

[Audio]: Hi MuggleCast, this is Alicia from Montana. I just wanted to call and say thank you for all your years of podcasting. It really turned me on to podcasting, and that’s how I spend my time at work now, is listening to your podcast. So thank you so much for all the years of great commentary. Thanks! Bye.

Andrew: So that was just a thank you. Are these all thank yous? We’re going to get through these really quick. [laughs] Just kidding.

Eric: No, there are actually some… there are some good questions in here, too. But that one was just gratitude.

Andrew: Okay.

Micah: I appreciate that she thanked us all for our great commentary over the years. Clearly over the years…

Andrew: You used to be better?

Micah: On an episode or two, I’m sure I’ve had some sort of intelligent analysis or comment.

Eric: Micah, don’t you think on that person’s comment one bit, man.

Andrew: All right, here’s the next voicemail.

Eric: Oh, okay.

[Audio]: Hi MuggleCast, greetings from Nashville, Tennessee. This is Matt. While learning the podcast is ending yesterday, I felt [unintelligible] to call in and express my gratitude. And…

Andrew: There you go, there’s another gratitude. So thank you.

Eric: Yes, thank you Matt. We unfortunately lost… the rest of his voicemail did not come through.

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: He had more to say, I guarantee it. But it kind of faded out and then I couldn’t… I don’t know if he’s in a no signal zone in Nashville or something, but that was gratitude from Matt. So thank you.

Andrew: Okay.

Micah: Well thanks, Matt. And definitely call back and leave us a message. Let us know what you had to say.


Voicemail: Dumbledore’s Right To Take Harry Away From Sirius


Andrew: Okay, next one.

[Audio]: Hi MuggleCast, I have a question that’s been burning for quite some time. Didn’t Dumbledore technically have no right to take Harry from Sirius? Isn’t it illegal… [unintelligible] has no connection to the Potters, and technically Sirius was his godfather. So wasn’t he technically kidnapping Harry by taking him from Sirius? I realize that’s the plot of the story, blah, blah, blah, love shield, all that. But at the same time, Dumbledore didn’t have any right to take Harry. And do you think if he had gotten Harry, do you think he would have risked going after Wormtail after he found out he was a traitor? And how do you think that would have affected the books? Would he have gone to Azkaban or still be accused as the traitor? What do you guys think? I love the show, and I’m going to be sad when it ends. I’m Alyssa by the way, from Colorado. I don’t think I said that. All right.

Andrew: Thank you, Alyssa. So…

Eric: So… yeah, go ahead.

Andrew: What point in time is she talking about?

Eric: I believe it’s when Dumbledore sends Hagrid to get Harry from the broken rubble of his parents’ house so that Harry can live with his aunt. I guess the question is, wasn’t Sirius his legal guardian at that point?

Andrew: Well, my first thought on that one would be, was Sirius in any sort of… was he capable of taking care of a child at that point? I would argue no.

Eric: Well, I’m trying to remember… yeah, I’m trying to remember what Hagrid says. And this is in Prisoner of Azkaban, about running across Sirius when he went to get Harry. Because this is… from what I recall, there was a confrontation where Hagrid arrived to get Harry, and Sirius was there. And they kind of had words with each other. But I think, basically, if I remember correctly, Hagrid talked to Sirius about taking Harry to live with his family. And I think Sirius, at that point, was probably plotting his revenge on Peter right then and there. So I think Sirius must have made the decision that he was in no fit state to take care of Harry.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: And that he would have given up… I think that’s what happened in the book. This could be in Prisoner of Azkaban, this could be just in my brain. But I think that’s what happened.

Micah: Yeah. I believe the line is, when Dumbledore asks him, “Where’d you get that motorbike?” and he says, “Borrowed it, Professor Dumbledore, sir. Young Sirius Black lent it to me.”

Eric: Yeah, that was in Book 1. That’s the beginning of Book 1. So it seems like there was definitely a dialogue. Sirius was like, “Here, take this. I won’t need it. You’ve got to get Harry off to his aunt.” So it seemed like Sirius was in full support of Hagrid taking Harry.

Micah: Yeah, the one thing that I would question, though, is at this point, Sirius is believed to be the Potters’ Secret Keeper. Isn’t he?

Eric: Yeah. In fact, Dumbledore himself gave evidence that Sirius was guilty. So actually, wouldn’t Dumbledore have cautioned Hagrid about interacting with Sirius Black?

Micah: Yeah…

Eric: Because… yeah, right?

Micah: I know in the voicemail she said that she realizes that Harry, going or not going, in this case, to his aunt and uncle’s would have altered the entire course of the story, and obviously things would not have played out the way that they did. The protection wouldn’t have been there. But I just wonder with Sirius, she mentioned also, would he have gone after Peter Pettigrew and then would more information, I guess, have come to light as a result? Again, it depends what people believed. I think most people believed him to be the Secret Keeper, and that’s why he also went after Wormtail and tried to kill him, he was trying to eliminate all the Marauders. It’s hard to say. I don’t think Dumbledore at that time would have trusted Sirius with Harry, legal or not. Legal guardian or not.

Andrew: Yeah, exactly.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: He needed a home, Harry needed a home to grow up in. A steady home. Maybe Dumbledore thought two parents would do him well, even though he knew that the Dursleys probably are obviously not the best family. [laughs]

Eric: Mhm. Yeah, he had to have known.

Andrew: He just needed a steady childhood and the Dursleys’ home offered that.

Eric: And a couple of days later Sirius was in jail, so…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …there you go.

Andrew: Maybe Dumbledore had a feeling. [laughs]

Eric: [laughs] [singing] “I’ve got a feeling!”

MuggleCast 264 Transcript (continued)


Voicemail: Future Stories From JK Rowling About Wizarding World


Andrew: Here’s the next voicemail.

[Audio]: Hello. Robert Campbell, I’m calling from Poznan in Poland across the Atlantic in Europe, and I’m an American from Boston who has become a publisher in a language very much not my own, Polish, and publish Harry Potter. Each volume has sold more than half a million and I’ve enjoyed your discussions. Recently, there was a discussion, would JK Rowling write something again about the wizarding world and Hogwarts? And was there any inside information? My answer is, I don’t think so. I think that without the stress of an evil villain like Voldemort who might win, I don’t think any of the stories would have the same kind of tension, so I don’t think she’s going to go back to Hogwarts aside from filling in with the encyclopedia. Thanks for listening.

Andrew: There you go. So he does not think any other books besides the encyclopedia. I agree with that.

Eric: Yeah, I think he makes a good case. This is so fascinating to hear, you know, obviously different people from different walks of life.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: This gentleman from Boston is in Poland working at the publisher…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …that published the Polish Harry Potter books. Come on! That’s awesome.

Andrew: Maybe he has insider info!

Eric: He said that. He said insider info is that he doesn’t think it’ll happen, so I don’t know.

Andrew: [laughs] Well, I don’t think anybody truly knows. I don’t even think if JK Rowling knows.

Eric: No.

Andrew: Because she continues to rule… she always says, “Never say never. Never say never.”

Eric: She does always say that.

Andrew: It just seems way too surreal for that to happen again, other than the encyclopedia.

Eric: But this does directly relate, I guess, to our conversation on the last MuggleCast, wasn’t it?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: As to whether or not she will bring a villain back.

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: I think that’s the big key. You can tell stories about the future. What would have happened with Harry’s kids, Ron’s kids, once they went to Hogwarts? But you’d have to have something compelling there that… and I don’t… necessarily has to be a villain or an evil presence, that’s just what we’re accustomed to. But I would feel like if anything is written, it would have to be prior to. I just don’t think that… again though, I think in the last episode I argued the opposite so I think I’m just going to leave it up to JK Rowling…

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: …if she decides to write something in the future, then she decides to do it. But she’s the only one who knows and, Eric, you made a good point. Maybe she doesn’t even know at this point.

Eric: Yeah, Andrew said that too.

Andrew: I don’t think… yeah.

Eric: Who knows, right?

Andrew: I don’t think she… no, she has to feel it, and if she’s not feeling it right now, then she probably is leaning towards no. But maybe in a few years, she’ll get it… look, all it’s going to take is for her to have a burst of inspiration that really gets her writing.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: That’s all it’s going to take.

Eric: Man, if I were her neighbor, I’d be that really annoying neighbor that’s like, “Are you feeling it yet? New Harry Potter book today?”

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: “New Harry Potter book?”

Micah: You’d be Ned Flanders?

Andrew: That’ll be our first question.

Eric: I would be Ned. Okilly-dokilly-doo!

Andrew: That’ll be our first question to her during our interview that never happens.

[Micah and Eric laugh]

Eric: Hey, we’re working on that, Andrew. Don’t give up hope.

Andrew: Oh, okay.


Voicemail: Dumbledore Calls MuggleCast


Andrew: Here’s the next voicemail. Maybe it’s from Jo.

[Audio]: [as Dumbledore] Good afternoon. This is Albus Dumbledore…

[Eric laughs]

[Audio]: …calling you from Northampton, Pennsylvania.

Andrew: Oh, my gosh.

[Audio]: My real name is Manny Aguero.

Micah: Albus sounds like a woman.

[Audio]: I’m an originally [unintelligible] Harry Potter fan. I’ve listened to the audiobooks more times than I can count, and I do a fairly good impression of Albus Dumbledore. I thought I’d like to share it with you and hope you enjoy it.

Micah: Well, thank… oh.

[Audio]: Good afternoon again.

[Andrew laughs]

[Audio]: And remember, if you have to make a choice between what is right and what is easy, remember what happened to a boy who was good and kind and brave. [back to normal voice] Hope you like that, guys. I do pretty good voice impressions.

Andrew: Whoa.

[Audio]: If you’ve got any Yankee fans among you, I can do a little John Sterling for you. [as John Sterling] Ballgame over! Yankees win! Theeeeeeeeee Yankees win! [back to normal voice] Hope you like that, guys. Thanks. You guys do a great job, by the way. Keep up the good work.

[Andrew laughs]

[Audio]: [unintelligible]

Andrew: What was that? [laughs]

Micah: That was awesome. Thank you.

Andrew: I like how we first thought it was a girl, or Micah did. Well, I did too.

Eric: You did. You’re the one who said that.

Andrew: No! Micah said that.

Micah: I said it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: You said it?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Oh.

Andrew: And then [laughs] it turned out to be a guy. What was the second voice he was doing?

Micah: He was doing John Sterling, who is known for his broadcasts of Yankees games, and he does that “Yankees win” at the end of every game that the Yankees win.

Andrew: Oh. Wow. Well, thank you.

Eric: Is that many games, Micah?

Micah: Over the course of the last fifteen years, I would say so.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: I’m not a fan of his. I think he’s a horrible radio announcer.

Eric: Ooh.

Micah: But that’s besides the point.

Andrew: Yeah, very much besides the point.

Micah: As a Mets fan, that has nothing to do with it, by the way. I just think…

Andrew: Okay, yeah.

Micah: Yeah. Anyway, moving on.

Eric: But anyway, the Dumbledore impression…

Micah: Who sent that in? Noah?

Eric: No. No, just some guy from… well, Albus Dumbledore from Northampton, PA.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Micah: I didn’t know that’s where he relocated after the movies were over.

Eric: After the Witness Protection kicked in, and he just survived.


Voicemail: Anniversary Versions of Harry Potter Films


Andrew: Here’s our next voicemail.

[Audio]: Hey, MuggleCast! It’s Allison, from Wisconsin. I was just listening to Episode 262, and you guys were discussing the deluxe anniversary editions or whatever of the new book covers. And I had recently just seen Jurassic Park 3D, which was amazing by the way, and it got me to thinking, along with your discussion, do you think they’ll do anniversary versions of the movies? And do you think they’ll try to do, like the trend is, of putting these in 3D and everything? If they were to do that, would you guys go see it? I think… I don’t know, just thinking of it, I think they could do midnight releases and everything, and I think it would be kind of cool to go back to them and dress up and everything, even though I’m in my mid-20s. I don’t know, I’m curious if you guys would attend and what you think about that.

Andrew: So anniversary editions of movies. Could they happen, Micah?

Eric: But in 3D, was the real question.

Micah: Wow, that sounded like Eric.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Micah: Anything that Warner Bros. can do to make money, yes. I wouldn’t be surprised.

Eric: Oh, such a cynic.

Micah: What?

Eric: I agree. I said the same thing! But no, the question was, “Will there be in 3D also?”

Micah: Well, Deathly Hallows: Part 2 was available in 3D.

Eric: Well, that already was, but do you think they would up-convert the way they have up-converted Jurassic Park into 3D. Did you see that, by the way? Andrew, did you go see that in 3D?

Andrew: I want to. I haven’t yet though, no.

Eric: It’s awesome.

Andrew: I heard it’s really good.

Eric: It’s really cool.

Micah: Yeah, I think there’s a lot of cool scenes that take place throughout the course of the series, but you’re talking about taking an entire series and converting it into 3D, though I don’t… maybe some of them were shot in 3D but never released. I don’t know the answer to that.

Eric: I think on home video, the first… the last two films are available in 3D. But only the last… maybe Half-Blood Prince is as well. I’m not sure on that, so “6”, “7”, and “8”. No, but they’re doing that with Star Wars. All of Star Wars is going to be converted into 3D. At least Episode 1 was released last year, and they’re planning on doing it with the rest. And then Jurassic Park… these were movies that weren’t even ever conceived to be in 3D, and then they’re up… they’re converting them later for, obviously, bigger box office draw.

Andrew: I think they decided… yeah, they decided to… not that it matters, but they scrapped the plans to re-release Episodes 2 and 3 in 3D.

Eric: Really?

Andrew: Yeah, because of the whole… because of the new movies coming out.

Eric: Hmmm.

Andrew: So yeah, those plans have been scrapped for now. But I could see anniversary editions happening. I don’t think it’s going to be soon, though. I could see maybe 25th anniversary, after Sorcerer’s Stone came out. Something like that. Because we’re already past the ten year anniversary, so what would you do? The fifteenth? That’s kind of an awkward number.

Eric: Yeah, that’s in 2016, right? Would be fifteen? So…

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, I don’t think it’ll be soon. It’s a good question, though.

Micah: I would say there’s always a possibility that that can happen.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: And why not? I’m sure people are going to go see it if that’s the case, but what’s the cost, too, associated with it?

Andrew: Well, that’s why they do it, it’s because it doesn’t cost anything really.

Micah: Oh, okay.

Andrew: I mean you’re re-releasing an entire film without making a new movie. You know what I mean? Yeah, it would cost a little bit to convert it to 3D, but they would make more money. They would easily make that money back at the box office.

Eric: Huh.

Andrew: Think of all the new merchandise, too. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone 25th anniversary limited edition t-shirt.

Eric: With lentograph or… what do they call those? Lentograph? I don’t know.

Andrew: [laughs] Me neither.


Voicemail: Destroying the Horcrux Inside Harry


Andrew: Let’s go to the next voicemail.

[Audio]: Hi, MuggleCast. I love you guys. This is the best podcast ever.

Andrew: Aww.

[Audio]: I’m really sad you guys are ending the show. I cried when I heard the news.

Andrew: Aww.

[Audio]: All right, to my question. I know you guys have covered this on the show before, but in Chamber of Secrets Harry gets stabbed with a basilisk fang, so why didn’t the Horcrux in Harry die? You guys said maybe Fawkes saved him in time, but in the movies, when a Horcrux is stabbed with a fang it gets destroyed immediately. Maybe when Jo had written that part, she hadn’t fully figured out what Horcruxes would be. I just wanted to know what you guys thought. By the way, Ben, your impressions of the characters are really good, and I don’t think you have a shaky voice. Thanks, you guys. Bye.

Andrew: There’s a listener who was very upset to hear we were ending the show, but questioning…

Micah: Blame Laura. It’s her fault.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: But wondering about the Horcruxes. So she said in the book he doesn’t, what, Eric? Did you…

Eric: He doesn’t… what is it? It’s with the… it’s the difference between the movie…

Andrew: Right.

Eric: …and the book having to do… and JK Rowling has recently re-opened this issue where people are constantly coming up to her and saying, “Hey, look. Why didn’t the Horcrux that was inside Harry – spoiler alert, sorry – die when he was stabbed by the basilisk fang way back in Book 2? Because the Basilisk bit him when it died.”ù And her response, JK Rowling’s response, quite recently was, well Fawkes got there in time and so basically because it didn’t completely kill Harry it also didn’t completely kill the Horcrux. Maybe it’s a little special thing about, again, sharing your soul with a living being. So that’s how she got out of it, but in the question that the voicemail girl sent in was that in the films the Horcrux is destroyed immediately the second it comes even into contact with a basilisk fang. It doesn’t have anything to do with poison leaking into and maybe kill it. As soon as it’s stabbed…

Micah: Harry is a living thing, though. That’s the difference. The diary is an inanimate object. Maybe if the basilisk fang went through his scar it would have been different, but it goes into his arm, and that takes a while to trickle throughout his system and the poison to actually take effect. That would be my argument.

Eric: Okay.

Micah: Whereas the book itself – or sorry, the diary – it’s just… it’s not living. It’s not breathing. You could probably argue against that because of the whole Horcrux thing, but you know what I’m saying. It’s an immediate impact. And even in the movie you see the blood start to trickle out of it, and then it finally is destroyed. So there is still some time in between when it’s stabbed and when the book and Tom Riddle… disappear? I don’t know what the right word is there.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: But yeah, that would be my argument.

Eric: Okay. That goes in line with what JK Rowling was saying, that Fawkes arrived in time to prevent both Harry from dying but also the Horcrux inside him.

Micah: Right.


Voicemail: “Long Live” by Taylor Swift


Andrew: Next voicemail.

[Audio]: Hey MuggleCast, this is Mercedes Alvidas. I’m from El Paso and I’m just wondering if you guys have ever heard the song called “Long Live” by Taylor Swift. I just think it’s the perfect song to describe the Harry Potter phenomenon for all the fans. I don’t know if you guys are a fan of her, but I still think it’s a good song to just take a listen to. I love the show and I hope you guys do well in the future. Bye!

Andrew: All right. “Long Live” by Taylor Swift, saying it relates to the Harry Potter books. “I said remember this moment in the back of our mind.”

Eric: “The time we stood with our shaking hands.”

Andrew: “The crowds in stands went wild. We were the Kings and the Queens, and they read our names.” Yeah, I could see it.

Eric: “The night you danced like you knew our lives would never be the same. You held your head like a hero on a history book page.”

Andrew: Beautiful, just beautiful. Well, I’m sure Taylor Swift is a Harry Potter fan. I mean, she’s our age. She’s practically a kid. She grew up with the Harry Potter books, so maybe she was inspired. Maybe it’ll be our new theme song.

Micah: Could be.

Eric: That should be our ending music.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: No.

Andrew: [laughs] No?

Eric: “Long Live.”

Andrew: You don’t want to end eight years of podcasting with a Taylor Swift song?

Micah: Oh, you mean the August episode. I thought you were talking about this episode.

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: Yeah. No, no, no, the August one. “It was the end of a decade but the start of an age.”

Micah: No, we probably have a more appropriate song we could play.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Like “The Final Countdown.”

Andrew: Oh God, no.

[Eric laughs]


Voicemail: Wizarding World Theme Park Attractions


Andrew: Here’s the final voicemail today.

[Audio]: Hello MuggleCast, my name is Lyndon. I’ve been listening to you guys for about almost three years now, and I had a question. If you could make any attraction at the Wizarding World, what kind of attraction would you make and why? Thanks, guys. I really like the show.

Andrew: Thank you. That’s a rough… that’s a hard question. If you could have any attraction be built at the Wizarding World theme parks, what would it be?

Micah: I’d have them add a goat to the Hog’s Head.

[Andrew laughs sarcastically]

[Eric laughs]

Micah: No, that is a great question. I mean, are we talking just attraction or just a ride?

Andrew: How about anything? Let’s just say anything.

Eric: Yeah, it could be anything.

Andrew: Ride, shop, restaurant – they are all attractions. You know, I would… this is hard. I love the Wizarding World in Orlando. I love to just sit in the center of it with a Butterbeer or a Strongbow and just take in the view and… I would like… I mean, this is kind of a cop-out. I would like the Hogwarts Express because that’s a ride, it’s a train ride.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: So the fact that you’re actually going to be able to ride it is pretty cool.

Eric: Yeah. And for me, I was relieved when the news story came out that there would in fact be a Gringotts mine cart roller coaster type experience because to me that’s the… it may be the most obvious choice you can make if you have a Gringotts bank. But in the books that’s just such a sense of fun and excitement going down beneath Gringotts, having to take this breakneck ride just to get your money out. But there’s also dragons and stalactites and stalagmites. So I’m all over the Gringotts thing. And I have to say even though that again, it may be a cop out because they’re making it, but… I’m easy to please, like that is what I was looking forward to the first time, and I’m glad that they may be building that now.

Micah: For me it would be cool for them to make Hogwarts more accessible. You go in there now for the Forbidden Journey ride, but I feel like they could do more from an interactive standpoint. If you were able to walk around to different classrooms or have people in there actually role-playing and acting as different characters – just so you get more of the experience – I think [it would] take you out of that theme park world. It’s kind of what Andrew was saying before. You sit around and you take it all in, but I don’t know if you always feel like you’re immersed in the world because there’s so many people around and it is commercialized to some extent. But, you know, open up Hogwarts. Add a Whomping Willow, have you be able to walk underground and into a Shrieking Shack. I don’t know, just different things to make the world come alive a little bit more.

Andrew: Something where you ride on brooms would be cool as well. Because that’s another thing that’s so beloved in the Harry Potter books. I know in the Forbidden Journey ride, there’s kind of a scene where you’re over the Quidditch pitch and I guess you’re supposed to be flying on a broom. But if there’s an actual ride where you mount on a broom and you somehow fly… I can’t imagine how that would work, but…

Micah: Yeah, because Forbidden Journey – you’re technically on a broom, right? I mean, theoretically.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: You’re on an enchanted bench.

Micah: No, I know that.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: I’m saying, though, that you’re supposed to be on a broom following Hermione, initially…

Eric: No, you’re literally on an enchanted bench. Like, that’s what they say.

Andrew: Huh.

Micah: Okay. That makes no sense.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Micah: But anyway…

Eric: You haven’t read the portraits, though? In the beginning they mention that there’s enchantments, like the benches and the… it’s like a… yeah, I don’t know the logic behind it. But it is introduced in the little videos leading up to the ride.

Andrew: So there we have MuggleCast Episode 264. Thanks to everybody…

Eric: Whoa, hang on. Way too soon, way too soon.

Andrew: What?

Eric: That’s the end of our voicemails. Let us remind people what number they call to…

Andrew: Oh. Well, okay…

Eric: …provide voicemails.

Andrew: …I was getting to that.

Eric: Huh?

Andrew: What’s the number?

Eric: The number is 323-984-8547.


Show Close


Andrew: Okay. And also, you can visit the MuggleCast website, MuggleCast.com. We’ve got the Twitter, we’ve got the Facebook, we’ve got the Tumblr. And I also want to give a plug for my new podcast on Hypable called Hype. It is our general entertainment podcast. We talk Harry Potter, we talk The Hunger Games, we talk Divergent, we talk basically anything that’s discussion-worthy. And we do it in a way that’s fun. It will make sense to everybody, so I know maybe you’re not a fan of let’s say, I don’t know, maybe you… like on the most recent episode, we spoke about The Vampire Diaries. They’re doing a spin-off called The Originals. We only spend a couple of minutes on it, so it’s not like we have these in-depth discussions on everything. We have in-depth discussions on what interests most people, like the Catching Fire trailer. We spoke about that on the most recent episode. But we do this in a way that will appeal to everybody because we inform you about everything so you’re not going to be left in the dark about anything in particular.

Eric: Would you describe… have you read Divergent?

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: Would you describe it as like a girl’s book or…

Andrew: No, no, no, it’s a dystopian novel. Lionsgate, the studio that’s turning the book into a movie, wants it to be the next Hunger Games.

Eric: Okay.

Andrew: In terms of popularity. And it seems to be… it is really popular. So we’ll see. Could be the next Hunger Games. Give the book a try, it’s not bad. I wouldn’t say it’s as good as The Hunger Games, but it’s not bad. So visit Hypable.com and you can… right at the top it says “Hype” and you can click “Get Episode 6 of our new podcast.” You can also subscribe through iTunes, just how you do this show.

Eric: I wanted to promote the MuggleNet family of Harry Potter podcasts which includes this show as well as MuggleNet Academia, which is held with Keith Hawk and the Hogwarts Professor John Granger, as well as… we mentioned this a little earlier in the show. Micah was just on Alohomora!, which is MuggleNet’s chapter-by-chapter global re-read of the Harry Potter series, currently on Book 3, and I have actually joined that panel. I hope I get better feedback than Micah did on that panel. But over at MuggleNet.com, you can sign up and give it a listen. It tends to be pretty in-depth stuff about each chapter of the Harry Potter series, so that’s worth a listen.

Micah: Yeah, and both of those shows, I believe, will be live at MISTI-Con which is coming up in just a few weeks, right? Not too far from now.

Eric: I believe so, yeah. And then Game of Owns is a podcast if you’re into the Game of Thrones series with HBO. And Micah and I are both on that panel as well.

Micah: Yeah. For anybody who’s interested, we talk [about] the TV show as well as the book series, and we’re in full swing into Season 3 of Game of Thrones. So we release on a thrice-weekly basis, which may sound like a lot but it’s a lot of goodness for your ears. That’s how I like to describe it.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: “Goodness for your ears.”

Micah: We just actually had Cat Taylor, who was the assistant to the two HBO producers, David Benioff and DB Weiss, on the show on Friday. And it was a great opportunity to speak with her and learn more about what goes on behind the scenes.

[Show music begins]

Micah: So a lot of fun going on over there. As we always like to throw out there, it is a little bit more adult content in nature than MuggleCast and some of the other shows we do. So just want to make people aware. But if you’re interested in Game of Thrones, give it a listen.

Andrew: Thanks everybody for listening. We’ll see you next time for Episode 265. Goodbye.

Micah: With JK Rowling.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

[Show music continues]

Transcript #263

MuggleCast 263 Transcript


Show Intro


[“Hedwig’s Theme” plays]

Andrew: Because Eric may have one of the best ideas yet for a new Harry Potter book from JK Rowling, this is MuggleCast Episode 263 for March 27th, 2013.

[Show music begins]

Andrew: This week’s episode is brought to you by Audible.com. Audible is the leading provider of audiobooks with more than 100,000 downloadable titles across all types of literature, including fiction, non-fiction, and periodicals. For a free audiobook of your choice, go to AudiblePodcast.com/Tribute.

[Show music continues]

Andrew: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 263. Micah, Eric, and I, and look who’s back.

Ben: Ben is back.

Andrew: Ben Schoen.

Ben: Yay!

Andrew: MuggleCast co-founder, MuggleNet’s long time MuggleNet staffer up until… what? What year did you…

Ben: I mean, I guess technically…

Andrew: …depart?

Ben: …my departure occurred in 2009. However, I still managed to stay on the “About Us” page until 2011 at some point.

Andrew: That’s impressive.

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: See, I was wiped off like the day after. [laughs] So… day after I left.

Micah: I kept you up there, Ben.

Ben: Oh, you did, Micah? That was you?

Micah: I did.

Ben: It was an executive decision?

Micah: Keith wanted to get rid of you… he wanted to get rid of you, but I said, “You can’t take Ben down. It just… the site would crash.”

Ben: Yeah. No, for sure. Keith… I need to take it up with Keith. Actually, I don’t want to take it up with Keith. He’s a big dude. He could beat me up.

Eric: No, I think it was… what it was, Ben, was we weren’t sure that you… we weren’t sure if we got the keys from you after you left. So we had to keep you up on the “About Us” page as sort of like a placating… [laughs] you know, so that you didn’t get angry or something. Maybe do something…

Ben: Oh, you guys were scared that…

Eric: …to the ads, maybe.

Ben: Scared that maybe I built a back door, is what you’re saying.

Andrew: [laughs] Well, it’s good to have you back on the show, Ben.

Ben: I am so glad to be back. It feels good to be on.

Andrew: I know you’ve wanted to come on the show, so that’s great that you did. Before we get to the news, which I am thrilled to be anchoring this time…

Eric: Ooh!

Andrew: …because Micah, when he left MuggleNet, apparently he also left the MuggleCast newsroom.

[Eric laughs]

Ben: It’s been empty.

Micah: It’s been empty for quite some time. There’s some cobwebs and…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Are you there now?

Andrew: We don’t want to know what else. [laughs]

Eric: Oh, okay. Yeah, dead bodies – perfect plan – house-elves…


Pottermore Discussion: PlayStation Home


Andrew: But before we get to that, I just wanted to bring up the point that shouldn’t we be looking forward to new chapters in Pottermore soon? Because…

Ben: Wait, Pottermore is still online?

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] It’s still on, believe it or not.

Ben: Oh, I thought that was like last year’s thing. Or a couple of years ago.

Andrew: Well, they’ve been releasing them a bit differently. They released Sorcerer’s Stone all at once, and now what they do is they release batches of chapters a few times a year to kind of spread out all of the excitement.

Ben: Now, am I alone in my lack of enthusiasm? Are there a lot of fans who email in who genuinely are looking forward to the Pottermore release? Because I don’t want to patronize or condescend to anybody.

Andrew: Yeah, no, people are looking forward… I mean, Pottermore didn’t thrill everybody. They had some launch problems and what not. What people look forward to now is the new content. From JK Rowling, the new writing.

Ben: Well, sometime we need to talk about… a different show, but we need to have a whole hour discussion about the phases of Harry Potter.

Andrew: Mhm.

Ben: Because I think that at a different phase of my Potter-ness, that I would have been much more excited for these additional releases.

Andrew: Right. Do you think they took too long to release Pottermore?

Ben: Yeah, I think that Pottermore… I think the way that they built it up and everything, they kind of made it out to be something a lot more interactive and better than it was going to be. And yeah, I’m excited to hear the new information, but I can hear that from you guys or there will be enough people talking about it in different places that I can hear that information. I don’t necessarily have to go through Pottermore myself. Does that make me a bad Harry Potter fan?

Eric: No, I think you’re right. They really needed to develop something that would bring people to that site that could only be had on that site – an interactive experience – which is what they were trying to do the whole time. Now, interestingly, last week they released a trailer – did you see this, Andrew? – for Pottermore at PlayStation Home, and it’s because in order to start Pottermore… this whole time has been a joint venture between JK Rowling’s people and Sony, and now they’ve taken that to the next level where they’ve actually come up with – I think it’s in beta testing – a Pottermore app but for the PlayStation 3, PlayStation Home Network. So you can actually play it as if it’s a video game, but it’s Pottermore and it’s online. I’m really looking forward to this because I think hopefully, maybe…

Ben: It’ll be a different Pottermore experience.

Eric: Dare I say, it’ll be the Pottermore we were always hoping for.

Andrew: Yeah, it didn’t blow me away. It seems to be a basic Pottermore, but you have an actual character and you kind of walk around Diagon Alley. I have to say, I’ve actually seen Pottermore commercials on TV, after either [laughs] Wheel of Fortune or Jeopardy!, and it airs almost every night.

[Eric laughs]

Ben: Wow, they know you. The advertisers know you well, don’t they?

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Andrew: Yeah, exactly.

Micah: I was going to say that the demographic for those shows are usually skewed a little bit older, so I don’t know why they’d be going after…

Andrew: Right!

Ben: They’re special ads just for Andrew.

Andrew: I think it more promotes…

Micah: …that type of audience.

Andrew: Yeah, maybe that’s what it is. It promotes, actually, the ebooks. But still, it seems like Jeopardy! or Wheel of Fortune are older audiences.

Micah: I think…

Ben: Oh, so do you think that Pottermore has… because wasn’t that the exclusive outlet to get the ebooks for a long time?

Andrew: It still is.

Ben: Oh, it still is?

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: So, Pottermore has made a ton of money for JK Rowling just by the sale of the ebooks through there, right?

Andrew: Right.

Ben: Because the website itself… I’ve been monitoring the web traffic, and it doesn’t seem to get a ton of people who are regular visitors for it, based upon Quantcast.com and other sites. So, it doesn’t seem like it really is something that fans go to more than once. Once they have the information, it’s not something that they go back to just to mess around on, you know?

Micah: I think that’s the problem. I think there’s nothing that provides people… there’s no retention value. There’s nothing that’s keeping you coming back for more other than the information, which you’re only getting every couple of months, and I feel like Pottermore is becoming too commercial with all these different products that it’s trying to tie into. It’s cool, it’s interactive, but I feel like, in a lot of ways, it missed the wave. For this type of content to be put out there, it could have been done even years before because obviously the books ended in 2007 and here we are in 2013 talking about it. And so I just think that… the content is what people want and that’s it, and I think they’re trying to make too much out of it. They’re trying to make it into something that it’s not. The real fans, they just want to know that information that JK Rowling’s been holding back for all these years.

Eric: Hmm. Well, with the PlayStation Home, in response to that, what I’m most looking forward to is a magical experience. And that may sound dull and cheesy, but in addition to that information… which is true, a lot of people really only care about the information, and that’s why I have only… you know, I logged into Pottermore yesterday and I’m on Chapter 8 of Book 1, and they’ve released [laughs] most of Book 3 at this point, and the reason I don’t… because I don’t want to keep going and clicking to get that information. I just want the information. But once I saw you could walk through Diagon Alley, I thought, well, maybe it’ll be magical again.

Andrew: Well, let’s hope so, Eric. [laughs] For your sake.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: You know what it is? It’s basically… with Pottermore you kind of walk through but not in a 3D way, like you will be able to on PlayStation Home. So… you know, they’re actually… just today they announced a Doctor Who game on PlayStation Home.

Eric: Oh, cool.

Andrew: So there seems to be this big push all of a sudden for PlayStation Home games.

Eric: Yeah. I’ve been on…

Andrew: I hadn’t even heard of this thing until…

Eric: Well, you had a PS3 and then you got rid of it. Right, Andrew?

Andrew: Yeah, but I still didn’t use PlayStation Home.

Eric: Right.

Andrew: I don’t know what that is.

Eric: Yeah. It’s…

Ben: Well, aren’t they coming out with the PS4 now and about to make your entire…

Eric: Yeah, they will.

Ben: …conversation irrelevant?

Eric: Well, PlayStation Home is like an avatar… it’s like you have an avatar. You have your character and he’s walking around and there’s these common areas – like a mall, one is an amusement park – and then you have little mini-games or whatever, but you can do it with… everybody in PlayStation Home is another PlayStation user sitting at their PlayStation Home unit.

Ben: How much does it cost? Is it going to be $5.99 or something?

Eric: It’s free but each of those apps have little packages you can buy of coins that allow you to get different clothing and stuff like that. That’s how they make their money. But everything on Playstation Home is through your web connection. So it’s like multiplayer on a video game but the video game is just the Internet, if that makes sense.

Andrew: Yeah. All right, well let’s get into the news here. Hopefully we can get the new Pottermore chapters soon. We’re definitely due for them and I know the Pottermore Twitter has been doing some game which I thought meant it was coming really soon. Maybe it’ll be this week, who knows?

Eric: I hope so.

Micah: It’s been a while.

Andrew: It has.

Ben: [singing] “It’s been a while…”

Andrew: Yeah, that’s why I’m getting very on edge. I’m on the edge of my seat looking forward to the new Prisoner of Azkaban chapters.

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News: JK Rowling Has No Plans For Prequel About The Marauders


Andrew: Let’s talk about some interesting news here actually. JK Rowling had another Casual Vacancy event. This one was at the Bath Literature Festival. I haven’t looked into it, I’m pretty sure people just sit and take baths and read. So JK Rowling evidently wanted to participate in this, and she spoke about The Casual Vacancy

Ben: Oh, she took a bath there? What?

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, something like that.

Eric: Baths are very soothing.

Ben: Oh, I was going to say. I wish I was there to see Jo take a bath.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: I’m sure the feeling is mutual, Ben.

Andrew: [laughs] And she was asked about… there was a Q&A, and she was asked if she would ever write a Harry Potter prequel, specifically about the Marauders. And she responded by saying that although she has no current plans to return to the series, if she did it would not be about the Marauders. And her reason was because she doesn’t find prequels to be any good. So she basically denied a Marauders book happening and a prequels book happening in the same sentence. [laughs]

Micah: So she feels that prequels are kind of like epilogues?

[Eric laughs]

Ben: Well, I mean, come one, we’ve got to give her a little bit more time. I think that for somebody like her, Harry Potter has been her… it’s been in her life since 1997 or whenever the first book came out, essentially. So, I mean, she needs some time to chill out and just… she worked on The Casual Vacancy. I’m sure there are plenty of projects that she’ll do in between doing something that is going to be a prequel or maybe an extension or maybe we hear what it’s like to grow up, Harry’s kid. But I think she’ll come back to it, eventually.

Andrew: Mhm.

Ben: I mean, she may never, but I personally think that after some time there may be… she may one day think, “Oh, I wish I had done this.” Or she may think of something that would be fun and interesting for her to do that involves Harry Potter.

Micah: Yup.

Andrew: Yeah. Part of me thinks she’s bluffing.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: She’s screwing with people.

Eric: Surprise! [laughs]

Andrew: Because the way it happened at this Q&A, it seems like she just laid the ax down about any chances of a prequel. Which is why this kind of… it left a lot of people up in arms because people were looking forward to a Marauders book.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: That’s been one of the popular hopes.

Micah: But I feel like she’s always said when she’s been interviewed that if she does something it’ll be post-Harry, not before him. And I feel like that gives her the most opportunity, the most chance as well, to write something because it’s open-ended. I mean, if you write about the Marauders you can only write about them up to a point because then we know what happens after that. Whereas if she writes about Harry’s kids, there’s a lot that she has to write about.

Eric: I get what you’re saying, but on one hand her quote, like, “Oh yeah, I won’t do a prequel because prequels are no good.” Well, also sequels are no good, too, sometimes. Like if it’s a sequel, if it’s taking place after Harry has defeated Lord Voldemort, what’s going to happen? What’s going to be your conflict that drives your character, whoever they may be, into action? Oh, is there somebody who is as evil as Voldemort? A second big bad dark wizard?

Ben: What if she picks a random weird character and doesn’t write a prequel or a sequel, but she writes what Filch was doing the entire time.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Ben: She releases Filch’s diary.

[Eric laughs]

Ben: Wouldn’t that be cool?

Andrew: Right. Yeah, so the Harry Potter series from Filch’s perspective.

Eric: Mhm.

Ben: Oh yeah, maybe. That would be cool.

Eric: Like a Midnight Sun, but from Filch. A Midnight Squib.

Ben: Or Peeves’s perspective.

Andrew: Right, right.

Ben: That would be cool.

Andrew: [laughs] Midnight Squib. Peeves’s perspective would be cool?

Eric: Yeah. But…

Andrew: Midnight Squib, I like that. Eric is referring to Midnight Sun, which is Twilight from Edward’s perspective. [laughs]

Eric: Yes, and I wish she’d go ahead and write the rest of that because I actually read that a long time ago and I liked it.

Andrew: Me too. Somebody should write Midnight Squib.

Ben: Since when did we start doing Twilight references on this show? Did…

Andrew: I don’t know. Eric…

Eric: There’s a voicemail…

Ben: Did the fandom war… did it end?

Eric: Ben, there’s a voicemail about this.

Ben: Did you guys declare a cease-fire?

Eric: There’s a voicemail about this coming up soon.

Andrew: Ben is just trying to win over all of the Twilight haters who are listening right now.

Eric: Yeah.

Ben: Yeah, I’m trying to win over the purists. You can follow me at @benschoen.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: My follower count has stalled for years. Come back.

Andrew: So…

Micah: Well, I hear you can just buy more if you need to.


Listener Tweets: JK Rowling’s Next Harry Potter Book


Andrew: [laughs] So on Twitter, Twitter.com/MuggleCast, we asked those who follow us: What should JK Rowling’s next Harry Potter book be about, if not a prequel? Besides the encyclopedia, of course; that’s already a popular thing that everybody wants. Everybody asks us nearly every day. Sam said:

“A story about foreign schools of magic!”

Cherise said:

“Would love to see…”

Ben: Boo. I don’t like Sam’s idea.

Andrew: [continues]

“…the first few years after the war.”

You wouldn’t like a book about a different school?

Ben: Yeah, I don’t want to hear what Viktor Krum was doing. I’m sorry.

Andrew: Yeah. Cherise said:

“Would love to see the first few years after the war, the rebuilding and the growing relationships.”

Ben: Oh, that would be interesting.

Andrew: That’s what you were referring to.

Ben: That would be like post-Civil War reconstruction.

Eric: Ugh, I don’t know. Don’t give… if we’ve learned anything from The Casual Vacancy, please allow it to be… don’t give JK Rowling the opportunity to be dramatic and melodramatic and exhausting and really just sad, sucking the happiness and bleh out of life.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: Well, she did the opposite, so…

Eric: Was that too intense?

Ben: …it was her… she had to balance things out a bit.

Eric: Yeah.

Ben: She’s like, “I’m tired of this uplifting stuff.”

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Right.

Ben: “Love, ah, love, that whole crap, BS I wrote about the power the Dark Lord knows not. Ugh!”

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: Shelby said:

“Probably something about after Hogwarts was fixed. Maybe Harry, Ginny, Ron, and Hermione’s children or even others.”

Eric: Mhm.

Ben: Well, was there some magic spell to fix Hogwarts? It’s just like, “Reparo Hogwarts!” and Hogwarts is fixed?

Andrew: Hogwarto Reparo. Hogwartus Reparo.

Eric: I just think that because the Harry Potter series was so innovative… or not innovative, unique, and it was so inspiring and for JK Rowling to have written it is just really unique. I think hopefully she’ll come up with an idea that nobody is talking about and execute…

Andrew: Hmm.

Eric: Like maybe set in the world of Harry Potter… because I guess that’s the point, right? The fact that it’s set in the same world. But to just come up with an idea that’s truly original and surprise us, get us… I’m waiting for JK Rowling’s fifth tweet ever when she announces…

[Micah laughs]

Eric: …what she’s doing.

Ben: Micah is going to miss it.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Micah: That’s right. Because I don’t follow her on Twitter.

Eric: You missed her tweet then the other day, right?

Micah: I doubt she tweeted the other day.

Eric: She really tweeted the other day.

Andrew: She did. She said something about something going on in Britain. It was boring.

Eric: Some politic…

Micah: Oh yeah, I heard about that though. See! I still heard about it.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I bet you have a secret account where you secretly follow Jo.

Micah: And that’s the only person that I follow.

Andrew: Do you think… I mean, what are the chances you’ll ever follow JK Rowling again? Is there a chance? What does she have to do to win you over as a follower?

Micah: Take a bath.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Oh, my God.

Ben: Micah!

Eric: What if this?

Micah: No, no, I’m joking.

Andrew: No, you’re not.

Micah: I’m not.

Eric: What if the next Harry Potter book is being released over Twitter in 140 character tweets?

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: And that… and it’s a serial version of her book?

Andrew: I think in that case, Micah would find the strength to press to Follow button.

Eric: I think so, too.

Ben: If I were Jo…

Micah: Some site is just going to copy it and paste it somewhere.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: And compile it into actual pages that you can flip through.

Ben: If I were Jo…

Andrew: A lot of people on Twitter…

Ben: …I would actually write some Harry Potter fan fiction on one of those sites and then see what people think.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: And then I would laugh at their responses that were like, “This sucks. JK Rowling would never write this.” And I would sit there…

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: …and laugh.

Andrew: Yeah. Well, we all remember the classic story. She went into a MuggleNet chatroom and shared some of her theories before the final book came out.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: And everybody laughed them off.

Eric: Yup.

Andrew: She has said that. She has been on the record.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: [laughs] A lot of these Twitter responses, by the way, people say… maybe Jo responded in these Twitter responses.

Micah: Doubtful.

Andrew: Who knows? [laughs] Doubtful. I think she’s… a lot of people seem to want post-Book 7, seeing the kids grow up. So…

Micah: Yeah. But to answer your question, no, I don’t really think that I would follow her. She doesn’t interact enough.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Is that terrible? I mean, it’s true. I’m not telling people not to follow her. It’s just she doesn’t tweet enough.

Andrew: I understand.

Ben: Can we do a campaign for JK Rowling to follow Micah, so Micah will follow her back?

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: We should start one.

Andrew: We should try that. That’ll do it.

Micah: Those are the only circumstances under which I would follow her.

Andrew: All right.

Eric: Is if she follows you?

Micah: That’s right. And I doubt she’s following anybody.

Andrew: By the way, she only follows Pottermore right now. So…

Eric: [laughs] So that’s…

Andrew: Let’s move on to some other news.

Eric: Yeah.


News: Bonus Material No Longer Included With 15th Anniversary Harry Potter Paperbacks


Andrew: We talked in the recent episode, either January or February, that new Harry Potter paperbacks are being released with all new covers by Kazu Kibuishi. He is well known actually, in the illustration industry. I mean, he’s got quite a few other titles.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: I personally have never read them, but I know he’s…

Micah: He’s a comic book artist, right?

Andrew: Yeah. And so far, only the Sorcerer’s Stone cover has been released. But when they announced this, and when the books went up for pre-order, Scholastic had said at the end of each of these books, these new paperbacks, there was going to be bonus material. That phrase exactly. And I happen to peruse the pre-order pages the other day and noticed that the bonus material blurbs had disappeared. So I emailed Scholastic and I said, “Hey, what’s up with this?” And they sent me a statement back, they said that… actually, we’re getting ahead of ourselves in the rundown a little bit. [laughs] But they said to me that:

“When it comes to the ‘Harry Potter’ series, we always want to deliver for the fans. Since we determined that our plan fell short of that expectation, we will not be offering bonus content.”

So either they didn’t like the outcry from fans who didn’t want them to make this sort of money grab. Some people said, “Oh, Scholastic is just adding the bonus material so people who already have the books will go back and buy them again.” Which is a valid point. So some people thought it was a cheap move. Other people, myself included, thought it was a good move because it would be nice to have a little extra feature, these Harry Potter books, to give us a reason to buy them again. Or you just go into Barnes and Noble, and you read the bonus material in the kids section [laughs] and then you walk out. You don’t have to buy the books, you get what you want. Or read it on the Internet. Anyway, these books are also coming out on August 27th. That’s when Amazon is going to start shipping them, and Barnes and Noble as well. And you can pre-order them now. So…

Micah: Interesting.

Andrew: What do you guys think? Should the bonus material… should that have been included or what?

Micah: Pottermore had no issues with this?

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: Yeah, maybe Pottermore called and they said, “Hey, you better not release bonus material.”

Micah: Or Sony. Whoever is in charge there.

Eric: Well, once they determined that their plan was going to fall short… I don’t even understand this statement. I didn’t think it made grammatical sense at first. But now that you’re talking about it, now it makes sense. They had some ideas of what the general content would be, but then they just… for whatever reason, they decided against it. Yeah, I think some…

Andrew: Yeah, and I mean…

Eric: But then putting content in a book, like in a regular… I don’t think that any special content of any relevance really should belong in a book. A book that you buy at the store should be that book and almost nothing else. Maybe the publishers already throw in those little ad pages, like other works by this author…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Or if you like this, you’ll also like this. BS pages. I really think the book should just be the book.

Andrew: I don’t know if anyone should really blame Scholastic, though, for wanting to do that because the book industry is hurting right now…

Eric: Oh, that’s true. And yeah, no, I get what you’re saying too. That would bring and generate revenue, and it would definitely raise interest in addition to the new cover design.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. Think of the good news, would be more people going into mom-and-pop shops, for example, to go and buy the books. You can look at it from that kind of perspective, or you can look at it as Scholastic is just trying to get Harry Potter fans to buy the books again. I’m still not sure if I’m going to go buy them again. The first book, Sorcerer’s Stone, the cover looks great. We’ll have to see how the rest of the covers look. I’m very interested to see how those look.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: I haven’t decided if I’m going to buy them yet. Have you guys?

Micah: Don’t do it.

Eric: What if they released…

Andrew: [laughs] Don’t do it.

Eric: What if they released a statement saying that they wanted to deliver on the new covers but they decided not to so we’re only getting Sorcerer’s Stone.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Well, that’s what they did…

Ben: Awww.

Micah: …really with the anniversary edition.

Eric: The 10th anniversary? Yeah, wasn’t it the plan always…

Ben: I’m looking forward to buying these.

Eric: Oh yeah, Ben?

Ben: Yeah, I’m serious because I want to have every Harry Potter book that I possibly can. Do you guys have books with the English covers?

Micah: Yup.

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: I have one or two, I think.

Ben: I have one. I have Book 7.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: I got it at Heathrow Airport, in 2007.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: The rest of us have Book 7 because we were there.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Ben: Oh, that’s right!

Eric: Yeah.

Ben: I wasn’t at your guys’ event.

Eric: That’s a fairly… you were in Oak Park, though.

Ben: Yeah, I was at a pretty big event. So…

Eric: That’s pretty cool.

Andrew: When I came back… when I got the book in the UK, and I came back and I saw the actual… the US version, I was like, “Jesus, this is big!”

Eric: [laughs] Right?

Andrew: The UK books are great.

Ben: It’s kind of like their refrigerators and their lavatories.

Andrew: Right.

Ben: Those tiny fridges, tiny bathrooms. Americans, we’re just like, “Man, we eat so much we just need big bathrooms.”

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Eric: We need bigger books.

Ben: Big books, big bathrooms. Big books for our big bathrooms.

Micah: Yup.

Andrew: I think another thing going for Scholastic right now is that they… people’s existing copy of Harry Potter, especially people who read the book still. I mean, I have friends I see on Twitter who say, “I’m reading the Harry Potter books again.” I mean, these copies are starting to fall apart. [laughs] So this is a good time for people to get fresh copies if they want.

Ben: Yeah, it’s like, “Mom, my Harry Potter broke. Can you stop at the store and pick me up a new one?”

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, the box set is going to have new art as well. So I’m looking forward to… if Scholastic is smart they’ll release… they should be releasing one new cover every three to four weeks. Because when they released the Sorcerer’s Stone cover it was a huge deal.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: So… I mean, it won’t be as big of a deal for the rest of these naturally, just because everybody knows they’re being re-released at this point.

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: But it would be cool for them to do that.

Micah: Are they going to be sold individually or just in the set?

Andrew: No, no, individually as well.

Micah: Okay. Yeah, I mean, I think Ben brought up the point, sort of. I think if you’re a collector it’s definitely something you’d want to have because it’s unique, it’s different. It’s just going to be interesting to see how they plan to do these types of sets moving forward. They had the Sorcerer’s Stone 10th anniversary, which we talked about a little bit on the last episode with the different cover and there was some new art inside, but beyond that there was nothing different about it. And they decided after that anniversary edition, for whatever reason, not to pursue it with any other books.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: And I don’t know why. Maybe it didn’t sell well.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s probably why. I didn’t like that whole idea anyway. I think how they’re doing it now is better. Just release them all at once.

Eric: Yeah, and it will be fresh, the new author… the new artist, I mean. [laughs]

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News: Wizarding World of Harry Potter Orlando Expansion Opening in 2014


Andrew: Let’s move on now. The mayor of Orlando says The Wizarding World of Harry Potter expansion is opening in 2014.

Eric: Is this news?

Ben: Is that part of his platform when he’s trying to get re-election?

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: He’s like, “I expanded the Wizarding World.”

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Ben: “You guys have to re-elect me.”

Eric: Did we know… was there a date already set for it?

Andrew: No, there wasn’t. No, there wasn’t. It was kind of news. Here’s what he said.

Eric: Okay.

Andrew: He said:

“This summer, [Universal Orlando Resort] will open the new ‘Transformers’ 3D ride followed by the opening next year of a new resort hotel and the expansion of ‘The Wizarding World of Harry Potter’.”

So some people took that… Universal, they were asked to comment and they were a bit miffed. They were like, “We didn’t read his comments like that. We read it differently,” meaning he was just referring to it opening in the future sometime, not necessarily 2014. However, you have to think that they’re aiming for 2014, a) because, as we all know, Harry Potter is not exactly getting more and more popular by the day.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: So they’ve got to move on this while they can. [laughs] And b) if you look at how far construction has gone so far, it’s pretty significant. There were some great, great, great overhead shots taken – [laughs] which I’m sure Universal hated…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: …by some satellite company. And I mean, this project is moving, so I think it’ll be open next year.

Eric: That’s good. That Transformers ride really snuck in there. [laughs]

Andrew: What do you mean?

Eric: And what is this about a new resort? I’m going to look this up.

Andrew: Yeah, they’re opening a new resort, too. A new hotel resort.

Eric: Where is there room?

Andrew: I don’t know, but they saw how popular LeakyCon was. They were like, “We need a bigger hotel to do this at,” so…

Eric: Yeah, maybe this one will just be called something Harry Potter.

Andrew: They’re going to call it “The Leaky Cauldron” or “The Leaky…”

Ben: The Leaky Inn.

Andrew: What are these other hotels called? [laughs] The Leaky Inn.

Ben: Loews Leaky Inn.

Eric: The Royal Pacific and the Portofino Bay…

Ben: Portofino…

Eric: …and the Hard Rock.

Ben: The Hard Rock.

Eric: Yeah.

Ben: Exactly.

Eric: What Ben said.

Ben: What Eric said.

Andrew: The new hotel resort, the new resort, is called Universal’s Cabana Beach… Cabana Bay Beach Resort.

Ben: Say that five times fast.

Eric: [unintelligible] …themes there.

Andrew: And look at the concept art. Yeah. Cabana Bay Beach Resort. It looks like something out of the ’50s. That’s kind of the theme that they’re going with. That’s kind of cool.

Eric: Cool.

Andrew: Yeah. Get to live in the Mad Men area when you go to visit Universal now.


News: Rupert Grint and Stephen Fry to Co-star in Super Clyde


Andrew: One other piece of news today. We spoke, I think – maybe, I’m not sure, I can’t remember – about Rupert Grint. He’s got a US comedy… he’s got a CBS comedy pilot in the works called Super Clyde [laughs] where he plays a superhero. And as it turns out – little Harry Potter connection – Stephen Fry is going to co-star in it. The Harry Potter connection to Stephen Fry is that he narrated the UK Harry Potter audiobooks.

Eric: Hmm. This is…

Andrew: He is going to be the butler.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: He’s going to be Rupert Grint’s butler on the show. [laughs]

Eric: This show is going to fail, but…

[Andrew and Ben laugh]

Micah: Way to be optimistic.

Eric: …for every millisecond that exists…

Ben: Yeah, this has not been a very optimistic news section.

Eric: Before it fails, every second that it exists, I am going to enjoy and cherish.

Andrew: See, I’m excited. I think this is actually… now that Stephen Fry is involved, I’m actually pretty excited.

Eric: But CBS… don’t get me wrong, I think CBS is on fire right now. All the cool shows that I watch – like Person of Interest – are on CBS, and I think this is awesome. But then it kind of worries me because then I’m wondering, why is this on American television? Why isn’t it on BBC One or BBC America? All the television channels that we, obviously, can’t get a hold of. But it just seems so weird that it’s American.

Andrew: Because we Americans make superheroes. Think of Marvel and everything. We are superheroes, so that’s why this show is…

Ben: That’s because we’re in dire need of a superhero.

Micah: That’s right.

Eric: Yeah. I just worry that we wouldn’t…

Micah: The Beninator.

Eric: I’m into it. I’m interested.

Micah: No, you don’t like that name?

Eric: What’s that?

Ben: I love that name, Micah.

Micah: The Beninator?

Eric: The Beninator.

Ben: The Beninator.

Micah: Because…

Ben: No, I don’t like that name.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Ben: On second thought, don’t ever call me that.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Andrew: All right, so…

Micah: I was just going to say, it’s not like we’ve never had a superhero who has had a butler and that being made into a show before. Right?

Ben: A superhero with a butler?

Andrew: What are you saying? What is the point you’re making here?

Micah: Well, that seems to be the plot point, right? Young…

Andrew: Oh, you’re saying it’s original. This is an original show.

Micah: No, it’s not. I mean, a young superhero with a butler?

Andrew: Well, he’s not necessarily a superhero. He’s a superhero because he’s rich, and he’s going to use his fortune…

Micah: [laughs] Oh, a rich superhero with a butler.

Andrew: [laughs] No, no, he’s using his…

Micah: Batman?

Andrew: His superpower is that he’s rich, and he’s going to use his money to take care of people or solve problems. That part of the plot, I’m not so sure about. And… [sighs] Rupert Grint I personally don’t find to be a great actor, so I’m… that’s my hang-up with this show. That’s why I don’t…

Micah: [laughs] Cue the email!

Andrew: Well, no. But really, look…

Ben: Rupert Grint was the best of the three. Throughout the entire Harry Potter series, Rupert Grint was the best of the three actors. I mean…

Andrew: You mean that seriously?

Ben: Yeah, I genuinely mean that.

Eric: Somehow he’s the only one to not currently be featured in wax at Madame Tussauds in London.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Well, that doesn’t mean anything.

[Micah laughs]

Ben: That doesn’t… there are times when people who are great actors…

Eric: That’s because the wax is walking and breathing. Oh, burn.

Andrew: Well, I’m glad you think that, Ben, because we need differing opinions on here.

Ben: Well, I’m saying that Emma Watson… Rupert Grint is probably the least attractive out of all… out of the three.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: Sorry, sorry, Rupert.

Andrew: See, no… well, many girls would disagree with you.

Ben: Well, yeah. I know… I’m not the best at evaluating men, so I don’t know. But I’m just saying that I feel like market… take the looks out of it. Just marketability, I feel Emma and Dan have much greater marketability than Rupert ever has.

Andrew: Mhm. Right, they’re much more… they have that Hollywood look.

Ben: He is stigmatized because he is a ginger.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I…

Ben: There’s ginger bullying. I’m serious about this. I joke around a lot, but I’m dead serious about this. If he wasn’t ginger, he would be further.

Andrew: Well, people also really like him because he’s ginger. I mean, look at Rupert-Grint.us. That’s the only fansite left out of the three trio in terms of trio member fan sites. Rupert Grint is very big. I think you’re not giving him as much credit as you should.
fansite

Ben: I mean, how big is he compared to Dan?

Andrew: I honestly think people freak out about Rupert as much as they do… Ben, think of some of our friends. I think of Bre and Sam Friedman, who…

Ben: But think about the quantity of people freaking out over Dan…

Andrew: Yeah, no, I do think…

Ben: …versus the quantity of people freaking out over Rupert.

Andrew: I think it could be very similar numbers. I don’t know, it’s hard to say. We don’t have a girl on the show today. People do love Rupert…

Ben: Now, is Emma making… who made more money last year? Is it still Dan?

Andrew: I bet Dan did because he’s got a bunch of projects.

Eric: Now, come to think of it though…

Ben: I’m interested to see how that averages over time. Like if this were a horse race, I would bet on Emma Watson by…

Andrew: Oh, yeah.

Ben: Say in like 20 years, in the next 20 years, we measured how much money they each made per year. I think Emma Watson is going to blow them both out of the park.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, I think you’re right.

Eric: Though now that we’re talking about it, I do think I’ve probably seen more Rupert Grint films than Emma Watson or Dan Radcliffe films that aren’t Harry Potter. I saw this movie Rupert…

Ben: Have you ever seen this movie, Perks? What everyone is calling Perks?

Eric: Yeah, Perks.

Ben: I have not seen that film. Should I see it?

Eric: Emma is in it. She…

Ben: No, I know she’s in it, but is it worth seeing? Am I going to be disappointed?

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: No, no.

Ben: Is it going to change my outlook on Emma in a good way?

Andrew: You’re going to love her even more.

Eric: Yeah.

Ben: Really?

Eric: I think so, too. But…

Andrew: It’s based on the book by Stephen Chbosky, which is beloved.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: It came out in the ’90s, and he directed the movie. He did a great job with it. He’s one of the nicest people on the planet. And Emma Watson did a great job.

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: So yeah, definitely watch it.

Eric: Rupert did a film called Wild Target that I saw, and Bill Nighy is in it as well, but I just really actually quite liked it. So, I guess I do like Rupert as an actor in films other than Harry Potter. It’s just… I do think he’s a bit random, and I do think the fact that this is going to be an American series on CBS is a bit random. So I hope he can survive, and until then I know that I’ll be tuning in and watching it and enjoying it.


Voicemail: Harry Potter Fan Clubs


Andrew: Okay, let’s move onto some voicemails now. We have three here this week.

[Audio]: Hi, my name is Shelby R. I’m calling from Arizona, nice and hot. I was just calling to see if you guys knew of any Harry Potter-related fan clubs, or anything that we could find in our area. Not just here, all over the country. I know about the Harry Potter Alliance, but sometimes it’s hard to get to them or they’re not near your area. So I wanted to know if you guys knew of any easier way to find other Harry Potter fans. I’ve tried Craigslist, but I don’t want to talk about that. Thanks for making the show, guys. I love it. I listen to it every time you guys have a new episode, and I’ll miss you. I wish you would come out with one every week. Have a great day. Buh-bye.

Andrew: So, Harry Potter fan clubs.

Ben: I’m interested…

Andrew: Well…

Ben: …to see – or to hear, rather – how many other people out there are like her who would be willing to organize a Harry Potter fan club within their own city.

Andrew: I think… well, I know, for starters, Los Angeles has a very active one called the Los Angeles Dumbledore’s Army.

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: And I went to a bowling night, Harry Potter Bowling Night.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: And it was actually… it was pretty fun, but they’ve got a few events coming up in the next… they have one, two, three, four, five, six events coming up between now and May including Harry Potter Roller Skating Night. Ninety people attending, second annual event.

Micah: Is that like roller derby where you can hit other people?

Andrew: No, no. Come on, we’re Harry Potter fans. We don’t hit people. What are you talking about?

Micah: Oh. Sorry, it’s too much Game of Thrones influence.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay.

Micah: No, but where is she calling from?

Eric: She is calling from Arizona. Nice and hot, as she says. And I think… the thing of it is, we really do need to come up with… and she said she used Craigslist [laughs] but that she didn’t want to talk about her experience there. I think that we do need to continue to use the Internet as a resource. Say maybe Facebook or… I just did a Google search for Arizona Harry Potter fans, and I came up with this article on LightningOctopus.com, and it’s about Phoenix Lament which is Arizona’s Harry Potter fan club group. So I would recommend searching for Phoenix Lament. There are other ways to sort of do this, and if our listeners can help out, if any other listeners are also in the Arizona area and want to meet up or want to have a fan club group, I think we’ll just have to play matchmaker this one time.

Andrew: I would also recommend Meetup.com. This is how the LA one is organized. And you can do a search within X miles of your location. So just keep expanding the search until you find something, and then – like the LA Harry Potter club – they put all their events in here. And you can sign up, you can join. Now, the LA Harry Potter club, they have a membership due of $5 every six months and I’m a little weird about that.

Micah: What does it go towards?

Andrew: I don’t know what it goes towards. Now, I’m not a member. I don’t know how they collect the money…

Ben: You don’t have a card?

Andrew: No, but [laughs] I’m on the mailing list and…

Ben: How did you get on the mailing list if you’re not a member?

Andrew: …I still get notified about their events.

Ben: I’m going to get you off the mailing list, then.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I hit the “Join Us” button, and I signed up, and that was it.

Ben: Oh, okay.

Andrew: And I know for the bowling night, I had to pay a little cover fee to get in there. But that was just the bowling alley’s fee.

Ben: A little Harry Potter cover fee? Or do you think…

Andrew: Yeah, that was just the bowling…

Ben: Wait, do you think maybe the bowling alley and the Harry Potter club are in cahoots?

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: They could be, I don’t know what’s going on. But it was a fun thing. It was a fun event. So check Meetup.com, do a Google search, look for the nearest major city near you.

Micah: Doesn’t Mason run one out in Arizona that she could join?

Andrew: [laughs] No. Should he start one? GoDaddy…

Ben: Actually, there’s a club over where Andrew lives. You can go to Andrew’s place any time for a Harry Potter meet up.

Micah: What’s the address?

Andrew: Well, and…

Ben: It’s an open invite.

Andrew: Yeah, no, there’s no address.

Ben: I can’t remember the address. He lives over there in the… somewhere in the valley.

Andrew: [laughs] Whimsic Alley is a store in LA. They do a bunch of Harry Potter events. Let’s move on to the next voicemail.


Voicemail: The Casual Vacancy TV Series


[Audio]: Hi MuggleCast, this is Michaela Hansen. I’m from Missoula, Montana. You might know it better as the town where Hank Green is from. I wanted to know what you thought of The Casual Vacancy being announced, that they’re creating it as a TV show. I’m not completely sure about it because The Casual Vacancy was such a short book and didn’t have a lot going on, in my opinion. But what do you think it will be like as a TV show? Will it work better? Maybe JK Rowling can explore the town more, maybe we’ll get more details. I just wanted to know your thoughts about it, and I’ve been listening to you guys for years and I love you. Keep up the good work, and thank you so much for bringing a smile to my face every day. Thanks, bye.

Andrew: That was sweet! Well, this is part of the reason why I think JK Rowling is lying about the prequel because we all remember when she was once asked, “Can you see The Casual Vacancy as a movie?” and she said no. I have no clue why this would work as a TV show but not a movie. That doesn’t make sense to me.

[Eric laughs]

Ben: I think that it could be better as a TV show than a movie. I mean, the Harry Potter books could have been made into a TV show. I think that… I mean, Game of Thrones is made in… whatever the George RR Martin…

Eric: A Song of Ice and Fire.

Ben: Yeah, something of ice and fire.

Eric: Yeah.

Ben: That’s what I… I couldn’t remember what it was actually called. It’s not Game of Thrones. I think a TV show could be a good format for it. Personally, I wasn’t able to finish The Casual Vacancy.

Eric: Yeah, we should maybe defer to Micah, the only one of these four who has actually finished the book. [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] Who climbed the mountain.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: I think Ben makes a great point, though. I think that it does suit TV well because you have all these different character arcs, and there’s not as many of them as there are in Potter so it’s a little bit easier to follow along. Again, I don’t know how many episodes they’re going to be making The Casual Vacancy into. I think they could probably do everything that’s in that book in one season, so it actually is more of a miniseries than an actual…

Andrew: Yeah, it is a miniseries.

Micah: …full-blown television show. So I think it could be interesting and I kind of disagree with the voicemail. I think there’s plenty of stuff that can be included. I think it’s obviously a lot more mature in content than something like Harry Potter. There’s a lot of negative to it, just as far as the overall tone of the book. So it’s not necessarily a positive, feel-good [laughs] type of miniseries.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: It’s just…

Ben: People love negative stuff, though.

Micah: That’s true.

Ben: So I could see it being a hit, personally. I think maybe it was a crappy book – sorry if that offends anybody – but maybe it could be a better TV show. Maybe we’ll be raving about…

Eric: An award-winning dramatic miniseries.

Ben: …this miniseries.

Micah: Right. And it’d be interesting because I’m sure that several Potter actors could hop on board.

[Andrew groans]

Eric: Well, they’re going to have to if they want anybody from Britain. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, because everybody was involved.

Eric: Everybody except Tim Roth.

Andrew: I was trying to see if there was a certain amount of episodes that the BBC ordered. I thought it was six. I mean, that… they call it a miniseries…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: So I don’t think it can be more than six. But like Micah said, if they focus on the different character arcs, one per episode, that would… I suppose that would…

Eric: That would be interesting.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Jamie Waylett is going to make a comeback with this one.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Is he?

Ben: Yeah, that’s what I heard. It’s just in the rumor mill. It’s on…

Andrew: You should start that rumor.

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: This is his comeback project.

[Eric laughs]

Ben: Andrew, can I start the Hypable back page where I just make up [censored]?

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: I mean make up stuff.

Andrew: Yeah, it’s called April Fool’s Day.

Ben: Oh, is that coming up? Oh man, that’s coming up!

Andrew: You should do that, actually. Write that story for April Fool’s Day. [laughs] “Jamie Waylett’s Comeback.”

Ben: Yeah!

Micah: Yeah, he can play…

Eric: Tell him that… tell everybody that the terms of his parole indicate…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: …that he has to play a drug addict on TV in order to recover from…

Ben: No, no, I’m going to say that Warner Bros. is attempting to buy him out…

[Micah laughs]

Ben: …of jail. No, JK Rowling personally posted bail for Jamie Waylett on Monday.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: He could play a specific character, though.

Ben: He’s staying at his guest house and watering her flowers.

Andrew: Can you see a character for him in that book, Micah?

Micah: Yeah, Fats.

Andrew: Fats. He did drugs.

Micah: Yup.

Eric: Yeah. He’s actually quite a comedic character. Obviously tortured, but I enjoyed reading Fats for as long as I could keep the book open.

Micah: He likes to get his schwerve on, too.

Eric: Oh, yeah.

Ben: His schwerve on.

Micah: Was that from Wayne’s World? I think so.

Eric: I don’t know what that is.

Micah: All right.

Ben: I don’t know…

Micah: It came from some movie.

Ben: I just quoted you, Micah.

Andrew: All right.

Eric: Final voicemail.

Andrew: One more voicemail.

Ben: [singing] One more voicemail.


Voicemail: Harry Potter vs. Other Book Series


[Audio]: Hey MuggleCast! I’m a long time listener and I work in a bookstore now and I was just… happened across a lady who was having her daughter read The Hunger Games, and her daughter was eleven years old. And when I offered her Harry Potter, which is a lighter book, she told me that Harry Potter was a horrible story. Now, why do you think Harry Potter is still the bad guy when there’s so much worse out there and they let them read Twilight and Hunger Games, which are great books but are much on the harder and more gruesome scale. So I was just wondering what you guys thought. Thanks for everything you guys do. I’ve been listening ever since the beginning. Thanks.

Andrew: Thank you! I think people… well, we don’t know the context. We don’t know why she thought Harry Potter was a bad story. It may have been the whole religion thing. That would probably be my first guess. Or she got really, really bad information from somebody else.

Eric: [laughs] Somebody clearly was hating on Harry Potter though, and I guess this begs the question…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …in a world where – [as a movie voice-over] in a world where – [back to normal voice] The Hunger Games is being heralded as, say, the next Twilight, Twilight was the next Harry Potter, but they’re all different books. They all offer something different and Hunger Games is quite, I guess, brutal because it is about killing each other and only the seventh Harry Potter book is about that. And Twilight is obviously very romantic, but, to me, in my opinion, having read all of the Twilight books – except for that spin-off BS, whatever she did with that one character, Bree whatever – and having read The Hunger Games, I still think Harry Potter is special and unique, and I still prefer it to the other ones even though I really like The Hunger Games. So…

Ben: Harry Potter

Eric: …why is Harry Potter somehow not cool enough for an eleven year old to read? This girl is eleven. Shouldn’t she be reading Harry Potter and not Twilight and maybe not Hunger Games?

Andrew: Yeah. Well, she never said Twilight, right?

Eric: Yeah, yeah. It’s Twilight.

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I think it’s just a case of bad information. And I mean, The Hunger Games I think is a quicker choice right now because it’s in the spotlight so much.

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: Whereas Harry Potter really isn’t, and I think that’s one of the reasons that Scholastic is re-releasing the books in paperback, is because it will put the Harry Potter books back at the front of store shelves.

Eric: I didn’t think about that. That’s a good idea.

Andrew: Yeah. And who knows where it will go after the first couple of months. I’m assuming they’re hoping the sales are strong through the holiday season. That would be ideal.

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: And if they really want to play it up hard, get JK Rowling to do a new interview on The Today Show or something about the books. I don’t know.

Eric: Yeah. No, it’s…

Andrew: But yeah, I think… I can’t… there’s multiple reasons why potentially that person said Harry Potter was a bad book. She could have had bad information. It could have been a religious thing. But in terms of picking The Hunger Games, it’s just the book right now.

Eric: Mhm.

Ben: Andrew, I thought of another April Fool’s story.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: What?

Ben: JK Rowling has to write more Harry Potter books because her husband Neil was such a bad gambler that now she’s in debt to a bunch of bookies.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Andrew: That’s just sad.

Micah: You should tweet that at her, see if she replies to you.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay. So that’s it for voicemails. You can continue to send us voicemails by using the phone number. It’s… were you about to interject something, Micah?

[Prolonged silence]

Andrew: Oh. Who’s got the new number?

Ben: Is it 1-866-MUGGLECAST-4?

Eric: I have the new number. The new number is…

Andrew: Okay.

Eric: …323-984-8547. And believe me, I spent like a good five minutes trying to figure out if that spelled anything or was somehow easy to remember, and it’s not. But again…

Andrew: Sorry.

Eric: That’s okay! I wonder what happened. I wonder who has 1-218-20-MAGIC now. But the number is, again, 323-984-8547. And we do want to thank you guys for continuing to send in your questions and your comments.

MuggleCast 263 Transcript (continued)


Announcement: MuggleCast Will Be Ending Regular Episodes


Andrew: Right. So here’s something else that we have to discuss about today’s show, or about the show, and then we’ll move onto Muggle Mail.

Ben: Oh, don’t do it, Andrew.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: Say it’s so. Please?

Andrew: As some people may have already heard, and I’m sorry for announcing it in advance of talking about it on the show…

Ben: Awww.

Andrew: …we have decided to end MuggleCast later this year. Now, the plan is to end the regular shows in August. So we’ll go up until our eighth anniversary, so we’ll be eight years old and then end the show. So that we’ll be a solid eight year run, so that means we have April, May, June, July, August – so at least five more episodes to come. The reason we’re going to do this… well, for one, the reason we wanted to announce it in advance is so that we can make five remaining great episodes. We can plan so that we can get everybody back, including Ben, to make sure everybody can come on again. And by the way, now that everybody knows the show is going to be ending, a lot of the hosts will want to come back.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: So this is… [laughs]

Eric: Yeah, definitely…

Micah: This is all a ploy to get them to come back…

Andrew: Right.

Micah: …and then we say, “Surprise,” in August, “It’s not really ending.”

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: And then the ploy is going to continue because we’re going to end up having a reunion tour in like five years.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: Where we all realize our lives were nothing without MuggleCast. [laughs]

Ben: Exactly. No, it’s been fun though. This is really kind of sad. The chapter is ending.

Andrew: Yeah, but one of the reasons that we wanted to end it is that… end it at a specific point is that we wanted to end it on a good note, not it drifting off and you get an episode maybe every four or five months. Or you still get episodes every month, but the episodes… it’s just that we have… I won’t say we’ve run out of stuff to talk about, but we want to end it when there’s still a lot of good stuff to talk about, whether… instead of just beating a dead horse. I mean, that may be a little too dramatic…

Eric: That’s too dramatic to say on MuggleCast, I think.

Andrew: [laughs] Just what I mean by it is we don’t want to be pushing it too far. I mean, eight years is a very long time for a podcast.

Eric: Oh, yeah. We’re really proud of… and I think I speak for all of us here, we’re really proud of MuggleCast. We’re really proud of the past eight years and everything we’ve done and everything we’ve grown to be over the years. And now I think it’s… everybody individually slowly in the past five years, as individuals we’ve grown off, sort of, into other things. We’ll all still love Harry Potter, but in terms of regularly putting out content on MuggleCast, I think the time for that is… we feel it approaching and…

Ben: Eric, I think you need to be honest with the fans. If you could just get along with Micah behind the scenes…

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Ben: …we wouldn’t be having this problem. We could keep the show going, Eric.

Eric: I really don’t think that I should have joined that other podcast, Ben, because…

Micah: So step down…

Eric: Yeah. What?

Micah: …gracefully, right here…

Ben: Yeah. [laughs]

Micah: …and we’ll continue the show past August.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Oh gosh, you guys are putting me in a hell of a pickle.

Andrew: [laughs] So we… another good advantage of knowing when this show is going to end is that we can come up with segments for the listeners to participate in. Maybe they want to say their favorite… we’ve done the whole “favorite moment of the show” so many times, but now that the show is actually going to come to an end, then it feels like this will be the best time for people to pick their best… their favorite moments. And by the way, if JK Rowling in a year from now announces the encyclopedia, of course we’ll make a comeback…

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: …and do a few more episodes! But this is the end of regular episodes.

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: Regularly scheduled…

Micah: Or if she wants to come on the show.

Andrew: Oh, that’s the other thing, and I’m serious about this. Somebody brought this up to me. I think it was my family actually, earlier today. Or… somebody… whatever. Now that we know this, guys, this is our chance to get JK Rowling on the show. If we message her now… and I’m very fine with discussing this publicly. If we message her now and say, “Look, we’ve got five more episodes. Can you throw us a freakin’ bone?”

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: “Talk to us for thirty minutes…”

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: “…for an interview, and that’s it! That’s all we want from you.”

Eric: It would be a wonderful opportunity.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I’d follow her on Twitter if she came on the show.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: There you go, that’s incentive.

Micah: And then once we’d got her off, I’d unfollow her again.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: So I think we should, in all seriousness, make an attempt to do that. I mean, why not?

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: What do we have to lose?

Eric: Absolutely. No, I think this ending date gives us a lot of clarity in terms of how to plan the remaining few shows.

Andrew: Yeah. And if we get JK Rowling, that’ll be a beautiful way to round out this podcast that we’ve done. If not, no big deal. But yeah, so we’re all looking forward to this and I’m sure everybody will enjoy the final few episodes…

Micah: So here’s what we do.

Andrew: What?

Micah: I want everybody who’s listening right now to this episode to tweet at JK Rowling…

[Eric laughs]

Micah: …and to let her know that we have five episodes left and we’d like her to come on the show before it’s all said and done.

Eric: Micah, how can you go ahead and give people her Twitter name? You don’t follow her on Twitter. You’ve got to make sure you give the right Twitter name because there’s @jk_rowling…

Micah: I’m going to go out on a limb…

Eric: …the real JK Rowling…

Micah: …and I’m going to assume that the people listening to this show follow her on Twitter.

Eric: Okay, but just to be clear, it is @jk_rowling on Twitter.

Andrew: I don’t think she even looks at her own Twitter, let alone her @ replies.

Eric: I don’t think so either. She has a 1,643,000 followers.

Micah: She has somebody who handles her Twitter account that will see all the @ replies.

Andrew: I think we… yeah. So people can do that. I encourage people to do that as well, but I do think we have better means of contacting her and we will try those avenues as well.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Micah: Ben, it’s all you, buddy.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: It’s all Ben. Muggle Mail now?

Micah: [laughs] Go take a bath with her and then we’ll be all set.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: Oh, now we’re definitely never going to get her. Awww.

Andrew: Anyway, so…

Ben: Can I read the Muggle Mail?

Andrew: Yes, just one second. So we hope everybody will enjoy the next five episodes and we wanted to give everybody a heads up about that. So look forward to segments where you can participate in. There will be opportunities.

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: Anyway…

Ben: And there’s going to be Muggle-more after that.

Eric: [laughs] Muggle-more.

Micah: [laughs] Muggle-more?

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Pickle Pack 2.


Muggle Mail: Praise for MuggleCast


Andrew: Let’s move on now to Muggle Mail. Go ahead, Ben.

Ben: Okay.

Andrew: Read the first email.

Ben: Brian, with “too many gray hairs” in Colorado. Wants to talk about some praise for us.

“Hello MuggleCasters,

I just wanted to send some well-deserved praise to all of you for your years of effort in providing ‘Harry Potter’ coverage and discussion to us fans. I found your work a year ago and combined with a trip to the ‘Wizarding World of Harry Potter’ in Florida, I became re-energized in my fandom of all things ‘Potter’. Since then, I have caught up on all your episodes available on iTunes and am working my way from Episode 1 into the 200s. I have to say I really appreciate the ongoing ‘casts and have enjoyed how all of you have improved and matured over the years. From the humble and shaky Ben-led early years to the current Andrew-Micah-Eric-etc dominated episodes of recent vintage, your insightful discussion of the books and movies, fun personalities, and just the right amount of wit and self-deprecation make for perfect entertainment.”

Andrew: Well I’m glad you think that, Brian. Thank you for the email. Very well-written email, too, I must say.

Eric: Agreed.

Andrew: “From the humble and shaky Ben-led early years…”

Ben: Yeah, talk about a back-handed compliment.

[Andrew, Eric, and Micah laugh]

Ben: Who said this? Brian. I hope your gray hairs fall out.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: No, honestly, I think that’s…

Ben: I’m just kidding.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: I think we really put ourselves out there though on the interwebs, and before we knew that we had anything good we had people listening to it. And we’re lucky that it was good, but it has lasted so long now.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Again, going back on eight years. We’re just really grateful.

Micah: It’s so much to the point where if you actually do a Google search of my name, [laughs] one of the recommended searches that comes up adds “goats” onto the end of it.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: That’s me. I search you every day…

Micah: Do you? [laughs] Is that what it is?

Eric: [laughs] You’re skewing Google?

Andrew: …in hopes there’s new Micah goat content to be seen.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Oh, man.


Muggle Mail: The Elder Wand


Andrew: Next email comes from…

Andrew and Ben: Bethany McCoy…

Ben: …age 18.

[Micah laughs]

Ben: I’m taking the show over. We’re going smooth! Here on out.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Go ahead! Let’s go back…

Micah: Ben, you’ve got to make up for those shaky-led early years.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, let’s see how smooth this is.

Ben: Okay. I need some water here. One second, let me take a sip of this Gatorade.

Eric: And if you can, just pick up the tempo a little bit.

Ben: Okay, I’m sorry, Eric.

[Micah laughs]

Ben: You can shut up, man. You’re not from New York, man. You’re from Chicago. All right. Bethany McCoy, age 18, from Phoenix, Arizona wants to talk about the Elder Wand.

“So I’ve been playing with this question for about three years now. I’ve asked all of my ‘Harry Potter’ nerd friends. My question in short is, how was the wand ever even Gregorovitch’s for Dumbledore to win? In further detail: The wand was stolen from Grindelwald, presumably by Gregorovitch. Gregorovitch then lost it to Dumbledore who lost it to Draco who lost it to Harry, etc. But Gregorovitch never truly won the Elder Wand since he obtained it by stealing it, right? And through that I fail to understand how it was then ever truly Dumbledore’s and so on. I hope you guys can provide some insight. It drives me crazy whenever I think about it because I’m sure there’s some obvious minor detail that I’m overlooking but I just can’t seem to solve it. Thanks for your time. I’ve been listening for over two years; it’s definitely my favorite podcast. Keep it up!”

Micah: This is a great question for when JK Rowling comes on the show.

Eric: Oh, I wouldn’t ask her about this because it’s just one of those things in the books where wand allegiance… it does what it has to do for the plot to go forward, you know? But not only that – and I didn’t mean to sound negative in saying that – but I think the wand allegiance – you can kill the owner and that can change the allegiance, but I honestly think that Grindelwald’s stealing the Elder Wand from Gregorovitch – [laughs] Gregora-goravitch…

Andrew: Gregorovitch.

Eric: Thank you… gave the allegiance, made the allegiance transfer. Even though Gregorovitch was left alive, I think that the allegiance still did transfer because it was an act of cunning, let’s say, for Grindelwald to fly up to that window and take the wand from him. So I don’t think it’s only death that allows wands’ allegiances to transfer. For instance, Harry has Draco’s wand and all of that. So yeah, I think it’s very fluid. Obviously it’s a concept that’s not even introduced until the very last chapter of the very last book. But even though it’s done hastily, I was able to understand that there are kind of other things that allow you to transfer the wand’s allegiance.

Andrew: I think JK Rowling has alluded to that in the past as well.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I think you’re right. The matter of it being cunning was a good enough reason.

Eric: Yeah, and…

Andrew: It just seems… it just wants to get around however it can. [laughs]

Eric: Plus it’s Grindelwald. He’s the most important bad guy before Voldemort, isn’t he? The dark wizard Grindelwald in 1945. So I think the Elder Wand would have liked his power and similarly would have liked its power. So I think they were made for each other, like two and two. Like, you know…

Andrew: Harry and Ginny.

Ben: Like [unintelligible]

Eric: Like Harry and the Book Ginny.

Ben: …liking Harry Potter and jelly.

[Prolonged silence]

Andrew: All right, there’s that shaky start.

[Eric laughs]

Ben: Oh, what are you talking about?

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: I didn’t know I was reading the next one, but let’s go on to the next voicemail.

Andrew: I don’t know. Well… [laughs]


Muggle Mail: Sorting Petunia Into a Hogwarts House


Ben: Jasmine, 16, from Canada wants to talk about “What if?”

“Hey,

Just want to… just first…”

I don’t even know what I’m reading anymore.

Eric: Yeah.

Ben: Anyway, starting over.

“Just first of all want to say I’m a big fan of your podcast. I’ve been listening for over six years now and I’m not going to stop.”

Except in August! You have to stop.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: [continues]

“Now, I was listening to the episode where you talk about Petunia and the new information that we got from her from Pottermore. Now, this leads into my thinking: What if Petunia had gotten into Hogwarts? What house do you think she’d be in? We all know that the books would have been different, she probably wouldn’t have married Vernon…”

Dudley wouldn’t have been born, he wouldn’t have been so ugly…

[Micah laughs]

Ben: [continues]

“…maybe she would have been nicer to Harry, so on and so forth. What do you think? Thank you for reading this. Laura and Elysa are my favorites.”

Micah: Oh!

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Ben: [continues]

“Much love,

Jasmine”

What, did I say that wrong?

Micah: No, no. We were just…

Andrew: No, you said it right. I just felt bad because they haven’t been on for so long. [laughs]

Ben: I know.

Micah: They’re actually on a double date with Brent Greg right now. [laughs] They couldn’t make tonight’s episode.

Andrew: Okay. No, they’re not.

[Ben laughs]

Andrew: No, no, no. Well yeah, I think that’s an interesting question. But the fact that Vernon and Petunia took in Harry to begin with was one of the nicest things they’ve ever done.

Eric: True.

Andrew: And one of the reasons it’s hard to call them bad people. I mean, of course in the books you read about how cruel they are, and yes, they definitely were cruel. But the fact that they accepted Harry into their family was the nicest thing… was incredibly nice.

Ben: Oh yeah, and they abused him. Put him in the cupboard under the stairs and bought the other kid…

Andrew: Yeah, but he still got to go to Hogwarts. He still…

Ben: No, no. They ran.

Andrew: Thanks to Dumbledore’s treat.

Ben: They went on the run, Andrew. They were on the run and Hagrid had to chase them down on an island in a shack in order to get him.

Andrew: Well, that’s true.

Eric: Yeah, there’s such a gray area…

Ben: Don’t tell me you’re a Dursley sympathizer, Andrew.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I’m just trying to…

Micah: The truth comes out in five episodes to go.

Eric: That’s true. Well, if she were sorted though… but guys, as the Muggle Mail says, if Petunia were sorted where would you place her?

Ben: Oh, yeah.

Eric: I have to say, I’m having a Puff Pride moment here because I think I would place Petunia into Hufflepuff, and this is the thing where everybody rats on Hufflepuff and nobody likes Petunia so they place her there. But I do think that she has been loyal to Vernon all these years. They do have a very loyal to each other… even though they’re both crazy, I would put her in Hufflepuff because she’s loyal.

Ben: No, I bet she’s a Slytherin.

Eric: It’s possible.

Ben: I just think I’ve got to put her…

Andrew: She has those qualities.

Ben: She seems like a snake to me. Like a snake mother.

Andrew: Well, Eric does bring up a good point about loyalty though. So…

Eric: And it may be closer to what you were saying, Andrew, about the family aspect, where she does, begrudgingly… and they treat him bad, but she lets Harry in, and that makes everything else possible that follows.

Andrew: And think about Dudley, at the end of the series when he talks to Harry, when Harry leaves the house. That was… of course, that’s not Vernon and Petunia, but where did he get that little hint of kindness from?

Eric: Yeah! I think it’s all…

Andrew: Inherited from Harry? or did he actually get it from his parents? Somewhere in that gene pool?

Eric: He’s all one giant misunderstanding.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: They thought Harry was the bum next door or something. I don’t know.

Andrew: Well, let’s not forget, Petunia wanted to go. Petunia was always jealous of Lily.

Eric: Yeah, and she…

Andrew: And her magical powers.

Eric: Exactly. And if they had allowed Muggles into Hogwarts, she would have been let in.


Muggle Mail: Curse That Attacked Hermione in Book 5


Andrew: Okay, final email is from Carlie, 22, of Shellharbour, Australia. Go, Ben. Say…

Ben: What?

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: [continues]

“I was re-reading…”

Ben: Hey, I was just listening to everybody and…

Andrew: It’s fine.

Ben: …letting the conversation go on. It wasn’t shaky.

Andrew: It’s fine.

Eric: Can you read this in an Australian accent?

Ben: No.

[Micah laughs]

Ben: Well, I can do a Garth Franklin impersonation.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: DarkHorizons.com, little plug there.

Andrew: [continues]

“I was re-reading ‘Order of the Phoenix’ yesterday, and I got thinking about Hermione’s attack. JK Rowling never states exactly what the curse is that Hermione was hit with in the Department of Mysteries. We know it was purple, was enough to render her unconscious without even having the words said aloud, and she had to take ten potions a day to recover and had extreme pain in her ribs. But I was wondering what exactly it was, and wondered what you guys thought. My thought was some kind of internal damage, but I’m not sure.”

Eric: Gosh.

Andrew: Wow, what a specific question.

Eric: Yeah, and I had completely forgotten about this moment. And granted, there’s a lot in Book 5. Even by the time you’re at the Department of Mysteries, there’s a lot there, going on. I forgot about this – that Hermione had been attacked, needed ten potions a day to recover. In fact, I don’t recall ever reading it the first time.

Micah: Yeah, me neither.

Eric: That said, I feel like this would be a question for…

Micah: JK Rowling?

Eric: …our fellow podcasters over at Alohomora! – MuggleNet’s Alohomora! podcast – because they’re doing a Chapter-by-Chapter; they’re currently on Prisoner of Azkaban. But they’re doing a global re-read, and I know Noah over there in particular – and Kat and Caleb – would all really be interested in talking about that kind of stuff, and also they’re a lot more…

Andrew: Are you saying we wouldn’t?

Micah: Yeah. Come on, man.

Eric: I’m saying they’re a lot more specific. They’re a lot more… in terms of tearing it apart, and they… believe me, if you were to ask them what spells are purple, they will give you a list. So I’m just saying that they might have skills that I lack.

Micah: Well, they’re not going to get to Order of the Phoenix for like another two years.

Eric: Yeah. So in the meantime, [laughs] you can ask JK Rowling, or we could look it up ourselves and get back to you.

Micah: I think it was a Grimace spell. Like the Grimace from McDonald’s.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Micah: You know if you eat McDonald’s you get extreme pain in your ribs sometimes?

Eric: And you need ten potions to recover.

Andrew: Well, an internal injury would make sense because, of course, even though they are wizards they can still get physical injuries. So look at Harry losing his… breaking his bones and having to use the Skele-Gro, and that was an immensely painful recovery for him. So this could possibly be an alternate way that wizards recover from pain, where they’re taking… or from internal injuries, when they’re having to take, for example, ten potions a day.

Micah: Yeah, what I think is interesting, though, is in the series we really only learned about the three Unforgivable Curses, but clearly there are other curses out there that are really, really dangerous and can have serious effects on people. It’d be interesting to learn about what those are.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: And maybe that would answer this question from Carlie.


Show Close


Andrew: So if you want to submit your own email, you can go to MuggleCast.com and click on “Contact” at the top of the site. You can fill out the feedback form to get in touch with us, or you can just email mugglecast at gmail dot com. While you’re on the MuggleCast site you can follow us on Twitter, Twitter.com/MuggleCast, where we always ask a question before recording new episodes, and you can “Like” us on Facebook, Facebook.com/MuggleCast. And don’t forget our fan Tumblr, which is MuggleCast.Tumblr.com, where the current top picture is Eric and his MuggleCast tattoo. Eric, are you going to get the tattoo removed now that we are closing the show?

Eric: Never!

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Eric: Because it would probably cost as much as it did to get the tattoo! [laughs]

Andrew: And cause ten times more pain.

Eric: Irreparable scarring!

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: Which I guess that’s the point of a scar, right? Ehhh.

Andrew: Oh, there you go. Perfect. [laughs]

Eric: No, I got this as a token because I’m so proud of the show, and so that’s…

Andrew: Awww.

Eric: And that’ll never change, so there.

Micah: There you go.

Andrew: There you go.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: There you go. I also want to tell everybody about the podcast we do over on Hypable.com called Hype. It is… basically for me, it’s my future MuggleCast. After MuggleNet came Hypable, and after MuggleCast comes Hype. It’s a general entertainment podcast. We’re covering some of the biggest stories that we talk about on Hypable. And we try to… I know a concern we’ve gotten about Hype so far is, “Well, I’m not interested in all the things you’re talking about,” and the point is that we’re not only introducing you to these things that you may not be aware of but we’re also not dwelling on them. So it’s not an entire episode dedicated to something you may not be interested in. And we offer context about these things that we’re talking about as well, so you’re not going to be out in the dark. You’re still going to be in the loop like all the cool kids. And let’s face it, you’ve got to be up on everything in pop culture these days. I mean, when you go out on a date, what do you talk about? You talk about movies, you talk about TV shows, these are the common interests.

Eric: It’s a competitive world.

Andrew: Yeah. So the next time I try to go out on a date with Micah, trying to win him over for what may be the fifteenth time, I’m going to talk to him about Game of Thrones. I haven’t seen it before, but thanks to Hype I know a little bit about it.

Eric: There you go.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Micah: That was such a great plug, Andrew.

Andrew: Thank you.

Micah: Speaking of Game of Thrones and podcasts you can find on Hypable, as well as other places, I’ll just take a moment, with Game of Thrones premiering this Sunday on HBO, to let you know that Eric and myself as well as Selina, who’s occasionally on the show, and our good friend Zack Luye, have a Game of Thrones podcast called Game of Owns, which you can check out on the web. We recently partnered with a very well-known Game of Thrones website called WinterIsComing.net, so we’ll be working with them moving forward. The podcast will be featured on that site as well as Hypable, and you can find us at all the regular places: Twitter.com/GameOfOwns, Facebook.com/GameOfOwns, and we’re looking forward to discussing the season. And we release episodes actually three times a week, so there’s plenty of content for people to listen to.

Andrew: I’m going to get into Game of Thrones. People tell me the problem is I start out… I don’t try. Because I hear you have to get past the first couple of episodes for it to really get good. Would you guys agree with that?

Eric: In terms of watching the show, no, I wouldn’t say. Well, it really depends on what you’re into, and that’s super subjective, but there are… because there’s an air of the mysterious. There’s some supernatural stuff going on, but that really does have a back burner. If you like sex, there’s that. If you like… it really depends on what you’re into.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Sold! Yeah. I’ve just heard that the pilot was kind of bad, so it’s…

Eric: I don’t know, I liked it. But we just… Micah and I just watched it recently – hint hint, spoiler spoiler – but we… I don’t think it’s that bad. What do you think, Micah?

Micah: I’d hope not, if we’re spending this much time doing a show about it. [laughs]

Eric: No, no.

Andrew: Well, obviously the show is big and it’s a success. It’s one of those popular things on HBO.

Micah: No, I mean I think it really does have something that’s going to interest everybody, and in terms of mature content there’s a ton of it. And the good thing about HBO is that there’s no restrictions, and if there’s stuff in the book that’s going to be considered controversial it’s going to be on the show. And I think that’s the whole reason behind why…

Andrew: Right.

Micah: …the author, George RR Martin, decided to go ahead with HBO and producing Game of Thrones as a TV series because there weren’t going to be these restrictions. He can do blood, he can do sex, he can do dragons, he can do all different types of things and there wasn’t going to be any limitations.

Eric: Yeah, it’s definitely a myriad. Now that we’re all older than we were when we first started doing MuggleCast, I can recommend this to ourselves because it’s definitely… even though the books were out… the first book came out, was it early ’90s, mid ’90s? So these books have been out for two decades now, some of them, and they’re very adult. And that’s something to keep in mind when taking our recommendation to go and listen to that show, Game of Owns, is because the podcast is appropriate for the content, and the content can be pretty dark.

Andrew: That’s a good point. As we’re all growing up, we get interested in these new television shows, and Game of Thrones definitely is a good one for the Harry Potter audience.

Eric: Yeah, but you should watch it, Andrew. I really, really think you might like it.

Andrew: I’m going to try again. And I’m going to do my third go at the pilot, and see if I can get through it this time.

Eric: Okay.

Andrew: I’m going to stick with it!

Eric: Oh, well the last… [laughs] the last few moments of the pilot are, shall we say, a long time…

Andrew: Bad? Oh, okay.

Eric: A long fall on the way to the… well…

Andrew: Say no more.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Say no more, I got you. All right. Ben, thanks for coming on the show. I’m sure we’ll have you on again.

Ben: Thank you, Andrew. Thanks for having me.

Andrew: No, thank you, Ben. Thank you for everything. From your shaky start at the very beginning…

[Eric laughs]

Ben: To my shaky end.

Andrew: …to this.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: You’ve truly come full circle.

Ben: Yup.

Eric: Do you have any plugs, Ben? What have you even been doing?

Ben: I just sell online advertising. So if you have a website, hit me up. That’s what I’m saying.

Micah: Follow @benschoen on Twitter.

Ben: Yeah, follow me on Twitter.

Andrew: There you go, that’s what he wants to plug.

[Show music begins]

Ben: Yeah, follow me on there. Then you can listen to my propaganda…

[Eric laughs]

Ben: …and I will send you places.

Andrew: All right. Thanks everybody for listening. We’ll see you next time for Episode 264. Goodbye.

Eric: Goodbye, everybody.

Micah: Bye.

Ben: Bye. Bye. Byeeeee.

[Show music continues]

Transcript #262

MuggleCast 262 Transcript


Show Intro


[“Hedwig’s Theme” plays]

Andrew: Because everybody is excited, new Harry Potter covers are on the way – at least some people are – this is MuggleCast Episode 262 for February 27th, 2013.

[Show music begins]

Andrew: This week’s podcast is brought to you by Audible.com, the Internet’s leading provider of audiobooks with more than 100,000 downloadable titles across all types of literature, including fiction, non-fiction, and periodicals. For a free audiobook of your choice, go to AudiblePodcast.com/MuggleCast.

[Show music continues]

Micah: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 262. It’s a two-man show this week… this month. We are without our fearless host and leader. Andrew is off enjoying himself and attending to other responsibilities at the Oscars.

Eric: Yes.

Micah: Which is a pretty big deal.

Eric: It’s a big deal.

Micah: So, it’s just Eric and myself here for this particular episode. We have plenty of news to catch up on – some big stories, one Pottermore related, one related to the book series – have several voicemails, tweets, and emails to go through.

Eric: Voicemails are back! Voicemails are back.

Micah: Yes, in full force. Last episode it was just one voicemail – that was just to whet your appetite to get you guys back into the flow of sending in voicemails – but we have quite a few this week.

Eric: Flow it did! We have… well, I won’t say exactly how many but we do have quite a few. So, that’s great. Thank you guys for sending those in, and we’ll also repeat the number for you, the hotline number, as we get closer to the voicemails in the show. So…


News: Interview with Pottermore CEO Charlie Redmayne


Micah: There was an exclusive interview done with Charlie Redmayne, who is the CEO of Pottermore. It was a sit-down interview, where he really went in-depth about this online platform and answered a lot of questions that people had, even addressed some of the fan frustration that has been ongoing, really since the beta test.

Eric: Yeah, we’ll include this in the show notes, but PottermoreNews.com released this… it was a two-part interview actually, and they just released the second part only a couple of days ago. But I thought it was really insightful, and I always like hearing from the CEO of Pottermore because he’s very passionate about it, but he’s also open and honest about where they want to go and what they want to do.

Micah: Yeah. And for people who are wondering will this content stay solely on Pottermore, or will it be seen in book form, he answered by saying that Pottermore is going to evolve into a range of different digital platforms for people to spend time in, and JK Rowling’s content will appear in all of that. He mentions the Book of Spells as being one of those additional platforms, and the integration with Sony and PlayStation. And he thinks that you’re going to see Pottermore on many different platforms, not just on the Internet, and they’re going to show the content using the functionalities of many different devices that are available to make it the best possible experience for all of us.

Eric: I wonder if I can get it in the shower.

Micah: Oh.

Eric: In a couple of years.

Micah: Do you have a TV in your shower?

Eric: No, no, no, but eventually I wonder if they’ll sell shower doors that have Pottermore on it.

Micah: Yeah. What was the one thing we were talking about, not so long ago… was on the backs of seats in airplanes.

Eric: Yes. Yeah, which… that would be cool, and I haven’t taken a – oh, geez – long enough distance flight for quite a while to actually have – gosh, I miss it – TVs on the back of my seats, but any time you do on sort of an international flight the movie selection screens where you can choose TVs and all that – all the television shows that you want to watch, anything – that would be a great opportunity to review Pottermore and to experience it again if you’re going through the different moments and memories and all that stuff.

Micah: Yeah. Well, I actually just took about a three-and-a-half-hour flight to and from Houston for work over the last week, and you need to fly JetBlue more, Eric, because you get TVs on the back of your seats.

Eric: Ugh.

Micah: It doesn’t matter if you’re traveling domestically or internationally… this show is brought to you by JetBlue.com. [laughs]

Eric: [laughs] Well no, no, no. What it is, Micah, you’re brought to us by JetBlue.com because it turns out…

Micah: Oh, okay. Is that what it is?

Eric: Yeah, you’re brought to us there. But really, just to Houston you had TVs on the back of the seat?

Micah: Yeah. It doesn’t matter if you’re taking an hour-and-a-half flight to Chicago or a three-and-a-half-hour flight to Texas or you’re going all the way out to the West Coast, you get TV.

Eric: I’m just going to ask now, how many seats were there across the aisle? How wide was the plane?

Micah: It depends. They have two types of aircrafts. They have the two and two, with the aisle down the middle…

Eric: And there are still TVs on the back of the seats?

Micah: There are still TVs, absolutely.

Eric: Oh my gosh, here I am thinking it’s only big planes. Well, I…

Micah: And they also have the Airbus, which has three on each side.

Eric: I’ve been proven wrong. That’s just crazy. Yeah, usually I get United or Southwest, and it’s a tiny plane, and I’m just like, “Okay, clearly they couldn’t put TVs on the back of every seat.”

Micah: They can. They can.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: You should file a complaint and see how that nets out. But just some other things that Charlie Redmayne touched on in his interview. They asked him how closely is JK Rowling involved in Pottermore, what role does she play. He goes on to say that it was her brainchild, her idea – she wanted to really give something back to the fans, and she’s immensely grateful and respectful to her fans – and that she does look at all the artwork that is put into Pottermore. She’s not necessarily involved day-to-day – that’s more of the Pottermore team that has been hired. And he does mention the fact that he has gone out and hired some of the best digital, technical folk in the business to help with this. I’m assuming most of them are Harry Potter fans. Redmayne says that he is a parent and he has read the first couple of books to his children, who have then gone on to read the remaining by themselves. But he, himself, I guess, if… one would hope that he has become a fan and is, in a way, forced to read the series…

[Eric laughs]

Micah: …but he’s not somebody who has read it previously. Which, I think, you don’t necessarily need. It’s somebody who is coming in with a fresh perspective as well.

Eric: Yeah, yeah, very much so. No, I love to see how Harry Potter continues to affect people and adults – people who are CEOs of this company, for instance. They reached out to him, and he’s probably read the books, at least since that happened. And this is really cool, to see that the books are being celebrated by people who care about them. It really wouldn’t be any other way, though, because there are so many people that this has affected, and there are so many people who want to see more content and want to see this happen that I’m so thrilled to read that the team is experienced, and I’m sure they’re all Harry Potter fans.

Micah: Yeah. And he notes that that’s what he considers to be his greatest accomplishment as CEO of Pottermore, is hiring some of the smartest people in digital publishing. And he notes also that there were some serious challenges in terms of getting the site live, which we’ve spoken about on this show pretty extensively…

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: …and more importantly, getting it out of beta. That site was in beta for a very long time, and it was frustrating a lot of people out there who weren’t in that one million group.

Eric: Mhm. Yeah, and he talked about – again, in this interview – some expansions for Pottermore, not only into new areas but also the shop. And he mentioned, actually, something interesting about feedback that he’s gotten, and he said that feedback on the shop in particular has exceeded his expectations. And from the publishing industry perspective, “The Pottermore Shop -“ù this is him speaking “- is seen as something that has broken the mold and really changed publishing.”ù So, that’s very cool. Now, is it true… I think you can still get the e-books exclusively from the Pottermore Shop, is that correct?

Micah: Yeah, I believe so.

Eric: Okay. So, that’s really cool. I think that’s still pretty cool, and I like that we were sort of the first… or that Potter really did that. I think it’s really cool.

Micah: Yeah. And also expanding to other languages, not only for the website but in e-book format as well. Which is important because we know the fact that this is a global phenomenon. It’s a huge scope that it reaches, so for it to be available, moving forward, in multiple languages is only going to help the growth of Pottermore. And he went on to say:

“We will be seeing more content to engage with and new developments with the site […] more books rolling out.”

And he goes on to say:

“I hope we are getting faster and better at doing that. I think that some of the feedback we got on the last rollout was that it was great and people got it before Christmas and weren’t [necessarily] expecting that.”

And for the critics out there – which there have been many, including us at times on the show – he said that he realizes that Pottermore is not for everyone.

“But ultimately, what it was always meant to be was JK Rowling giving something back to her fans. Running a website that has so many millions of people using it for free is an immensely expensive undertaking, and I hope it does have value because it is certainly something that JK Rowling is investing a huge amount of time and money in making sure it happens. Nothing like this has ever been done before, and it is [really] a groundbreaking adventure.”

So, that’s something also to think about. We realize how much money JK Rowling does in fact have because we’ve seen stories about it over and over. But one of the things… I didn’t even think of this, and in a way I feel ashamed, the fact that she is putting her own dime into this, and that all those people who are working there are being paid by her.

Eric: That’s got to be so cool to see on your paycheck. [laughs]

Micah: [laughs] Signed by JK Rowling.

Eric: From JK Rowling. [laughs] But yeah, that’s… it’s got to be cool to work for Pottermore. I’ll do an internship for Pottermore if they ask.

Micah: There you go. And then you can go to the Studio Tour.

Eric: There you go! [laughs]

Micah: As many times as you want.

Eric: It’s a plan.

Andrew: We are going to continue with the news in just a moment, but first it is time to remind you that today’s episode is brought to you by Audible.com, the Internet’s leading provider of audiobooks with more than 100,000 downloadable titles across all types of literature and featuring audio versions of many New York Times Bestsellers. For our listeners, Audible is offering a free audiobook to give you a chance to try out their great service. One audiobook to consider is Divergent by Veronica Roth. Now, I get lots of questions… since we do this podcast and we do a couple of others, people ask us, “Well, what should I read next? What is next? What is the next big thing?” Of course, there was Twilight, there was The Hunger Games. And the next big thing, I’m going to let you in on the secret right now. Some of you know this already because it’s already kind of becoming the next big thing. It is Divergent by Veronica Roth. It is a trilogy, even though only two of the three books are out right now. The third one is due out this year. The second one is called Insurgent, the first one is called Divergent. It is a dystopian novel. I actually just finished reading it the other day. You can listen to it, just like you do a podcast, for absolutely free by visiting AudiblePodcast.com/MuggleCast. Do a search for “Divergent”, you will see the book there. You know, people really enjoy the book, and people do believe it’s going to be the next big thing. There is a movie that they haven’t started shooting yet, but they are going to start shooting soon. They actually… the studio just announced the other day that Kate Winslet is going to be in the movie. We don’t know who she’s going to play yet. There are some guesses, but Summit has not announced yet who she is going to play. And by the way, Shailene Woodley is going to have the lead role as Tris. This book follows a girl in the lead character slot. So again, go to AudiblePodcast.com/MuggleCast, type in “Divergent”, type in “Fifty Shades of Grey”, type in whatever you want. Whatever book you want to read, visit AudiblePodcast.com/MuggleCast and chances are you’re going to find it. They have, like I said, over 100,000 downloadable titles and many, many, many books you are going to love listening to, just like you do this podcast, are available there on Audible. And we thank Audible for their support of the show.


News: Scholastic to Release 15th Anniversary Harry Potter Paperback Covers


Micah: Well, speaking of JK Rowling, it was announced not too long ago that Scholastic is planning to release 15th anniversary paperback covers.

Eric: Wow.

Micah: And this is going to be a recurring theme, I feel like.

Eric: For all seven Harry Potter books are coming this year, I think.

Micah: Which is awesome because normally the anticipation – what we would anticipate – would have just been for Sorcerer’s Stone, right?

Eric: Right, because didn’t they do… they did a 10th anniversary Sorcerer’s Stone – Scholastic did this – cover.

Micah: Right, and I have that.

Eric: You do have! I was going to say I don’t know anybody – besides my girlfriend – that has it, but you do have it.

Micah: I do have it.

Eric: Is it him on the train platform? I forget.

Micah: Let me go to the bookshelf. [laughs]

Eric: [laughs] Micah goes to his bookshelf.

Micah: Do we have music to play during this?

Eric: Uhhh, sure. I’m sure I can find something in production.

Micah: All right, I got it. Never mind.

Eric: Oh. [laughs]

Micah: It’s actually him staring into the Mirror of Erised.

Eric: Oh okay, right. Okay, sure.

Micah: But there is another drawing, I think, that was new. It’s of Hagrid taking the first years across the lake to Hogwarts, and I think that was by Mary GrandPrÈ.

Eric: Is that on the back of the book, or…

Micah: It’s just before the title page.

Eric: Oh, interesting!

Micah: Yes.

Eric: I don’t know that I knew that existed, actually.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: But I do think that in that case, the 10th anniversary, I’m fairly certain that was designed by Mary GrandPrÈ. In this case both the artwork appearing in that 10th anniversary collection, but actually this time, guess what? Five years later it’s a 15th anniversary collection. [laughs] And there’s actually a pretty cool news story, a pretty cool interview with the artist who has been tasked with designing these new covers.

Micah: Oh, yeah?

Eric: Yeah. His name is Kazu Kibuishi, I believe. And Publishers Weekly first announced it, and they announced that Scholastic was fond of this guy’s work. He’s known mostly for illustrating the Amulet series of books, which I’m unfamiliar with, so I don’t actually know…

Micah: So am I. I’ve never heard of them.

Eric: I don’t know anything about it. But you know the way that books trend these days, so I’m sure that I would be able to walk into Barnes and Noble and find it. But anyway, apparently he’s a big Harry Potter fan, which is also… works in our favor, I guess. And he says that at first he was hesitant to agree, once he was approached, to redesign the Harry Potter books, but… and here’s a quote from him:

“Initially I didn’t want to see it done because I love the original covers so much. I’m a huge fan. But after thinking about it for a while, I figured if someone were going to do it, I should try it.” [laughs]

Micah: Yeah, so a true fan, like you said earlier.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Somebody who didn’t want to really mess with the original. And I think the reality is that that cover of SorcererÅ’s Stone by Mary GrandPrÈ, just like all the other American editions, are always going to be the originals. But the thing is, moving forward, there’s obviously going to be these anniversary editions. And I would think that Mary GrandPrÈ has quite a stock in her home somewhere of all the different covers and chapters that she put together at one point or another, where she certainly has extras available. But perhaps she was just busy with other things and she didn’t have time to work on yet another…

[Eric laughs]

Micah: …cover of SorcererÅ’s Stone. I’m sure she’s done plenty in her day and is quite ready to move on to other things.

Eric: Yeah, I’m sure that it was probably Scholastic just wanting to go a different direction. Because from what I know of the art and Mary GrandPrÈ’s art, she doesn’t actually own anything that she produced, Scholastic does. So she can’t resell or reproduce or anything, of her previous work on the book. If they were to ask her to do something else, I’m sure she would. But I think in this case they really just wanted a different look than was with the previous books. And this actually… this discussion reminds me or prompts me to ask – maybe we’ll get into a little bit of a “Favorites” segment here – but since we’re talking about the covers, what’s your favorite American cover of the Harry Potter books, Micah?

Micah: Favorite cover would probably have to be Prisoner of Azkaban.

Eric: Really?

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Okay. Why?

Micah: There’s a lot in most of her covers that really detail a lot of the scenes and characters and moments of that particular book, but I just feel if you look around that particular cover there’s so much to take stock of. If that makes sense.

Eric: Yeah, so I’m looking at it right now, and it’s Harry and Hermione on the Hippogriff, and I love this scene. It’s obviously the breaking Sirius out of his cell scene.

Micah: Right.

Eric: Spoiler alert for Book 3.

Micah: Yeah, if you don’t know that by now…

Eric: Yeah, I know, I know. But… and then Sirius Black himself appears on the cover in a shadow, or as a shadow which is totally cool.

Micah: Yeah. And if you look on the inside flap, you actually have Scabbers. The inside flap of the front cover on the bottom right hand side, you can kind of see his shadow magnified a little bit there.

Eric: Oh man, that’s cool. I don’t have an inside cover because I have the paperback.

Micah: Oh, okay.

Eric: So, I…

Micah: I’m talking about the… are the hardcover and paperback different?

Eric: No, I just think anything that would go over – like a flap – doesn’t exist in the paperback.

Micah: Oh, okay.

Eric: Because it’s not the book cover.

Micah: Well, that makes sense.

Eric: Yeah, so there are also those deluxe editions that they did a couple of years ago for the last two books where… I think Book 7 is the Antipodean Opaleye flying across the countryside.

Micah: [laughs] Right.

Eric: And I’m trying to remember what Book 6 is. I think it’s…

Micah: It’s outside of the Gaunt house.

Eric: Yes, yes, and…

Micah: Which is a cool one, too, by the way.

Eric: That’s really cool and then, even the Book 5 one is cool. I’m fairly certain it’s Grimmauld Place from the outside. And then the front cover of the book is him in the Department of Mysteries. So, it’s going to be interesting to…

Micah: I think we’re juggling around in different covers because the cover I actually have for Half-Blood Prince – I’m looking at it right now – is Dumbledore and Harry…

Eric: It’s green.

Micah: …inside the cave, just before…

Eric: Oh yeah, I’m talking about the deluxe edition.

Micah: Oh, the deluxe edition. Okay.

Eric: Yeah, I was talking about the deluxe covers…

Micah: But yeah, I believe that is the deluxe cover for Half-Blood Prince, is the one just outside the Gaunt home.

Eric: You’re right. And that is really cool. I think I would like to own that, or a print of that, or maybe I’ll just go to a used bookstore and then take the cover off the book and then frame it.

Micah: Yup. But you look around a little bit – finishing up the Prisoner of Azkaban cover here – you have Prongs on the inside back flap, and then on the back cover is the Whomping Willow, Crookshanks, what looks to be Lupin in werewolf form, and then a Dementor creepily hanging over one of the porches. Porch is not the right word, but I’m going to call it a porch for right now. [laughs]

Eric: [laughs] I just opened up the full thing. Yeah, man, this is cool. I just found this. I did a Google search for Prisoner of Azkaban US full cover…

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: …and so I am able to see the… I guess, yeah, it’s the Whomping Willow and Scabbers and all that. That’s really cool.

Micah: Now, I just looked up Amulet by Kazu, and…

Eric: Kibuishi?

Micah: Yeah. And what’s interesting is he’s actually a comic book artist, it looks like. So, that… and he works for Scholastic, so that might be the tie-in there as to why they decided to bring him on. But we did actually get the cover for Sorcerer’s Stone, and I was just wondering – Eric, what did you think about this cover inside Diagon Alley, Hagrid and Harry walking along? It’s a little bit of a different spin from the original, and the tenth anniversary. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah, it is more comic book-y, now that you mention it. I really do like it, this new proposed cover. Whether or not I’m going to buy these books is different only because I have the [laughs] US versions and the UK versions, adult and child.

Micah: Right. Same here.

Eric: And I believe in several copies. So, I don’t know at this point because they’ve only released the cover for the first book. And it’s not even like it depends on how good the image is; I may or may not buy this book. But for new users, for new readers too, I think that this will be very fresh looking and more in touch with what they’re used to seeing too. And not to say anything against the Mary GrandPrÈ version, but this Diagon Alley scene that is being portrayed in this new cover is a lot more, I think, appropriate for the first book because it’s an introduction into the magical world, and when Hagrid takes Harry to Diagon Alley, that’s his introduction to the magical world. Whereas on the previous US book cover, I think it’s him playing Quidditch, and there are some columns or something and he’s on his broom. And look, it’s fine. It absolutely served its purpose. But this, I think, is more allegorical of the story inside.

Micah: Yeah. You’re right, it is him trying to go for the Snitch on the cover. There’s also a unicorn, a shot of Fluffy, and then on the back you have what looks like Dumbledore and an owl. And I’m sure there’s a couple of other nuggets around here. There’s a flying key.

Eric: Yeah, she’s really good with compiling things on top of each other. Give her that credit for sure. And actually, we didn’t… we covered your favorite. My favorite, I have to say though, the US Goblet of Fire is still my favorite book cover. Mostly because of what you see on the front. I never, I don’t think, owned the hard cover of it so I didn’t look at the flaps or the back. But on the front, I think, is still the best image because Harry is there with his wand, he’s smiling, you see Cedric and the other two champions Victor and Fleur. And he’s got his pot of gold, or actually… I always thought it was a pot of gold, his Triwizard winnings, but actually it’s a golden egg, now that I’m looking at it.

Micah: Yup.

Eric: Wow. I never got that. I just think this is the best drawing of Harry.

Micah: And a lot of different creatures.

Eric: The look of joy. Yeah, the look of joy is on his face. And in the back, which I’ve also pulled the back cover, you see a dragon actually – the Hungarian Horntail, I presume – is the entire length of the cover. Maybe is that… what do you think is in the lower left, Micah, besides the dragon? There’s… I think you see its eye and it has two antenna, I want to say. [laughs] Do you see what I’m talking about?

Micah: Yeah, I wonder if they worked in some of the Care of Magical Creatures into this cover.

Eric: Hmm.

Micah: Just because there seems to be a lot of weird looking creatures on this cover.

Eric: Yeah. And then… oh, Madame Maxime’s carriage in the back being towed by the horse. Or the horses towing it.

Micah: Right.

Eric: And of course the Goblet itself. Of Fire.

Micah: Which looks like it’s being put through the brush there by fake Moody, I would guess. It has… or is it perhaps…

Eric: Oh.

Micah: No, hold on. I think that’s Harry’s outstretched arm grabbing the cup. That’s what it is. He’s reach… yeah, yeah.

Eric: Oh, you think so?

Micah: If you look, his arm actually goes over the spine and through the bush and grabs the cup.

Eric: Oh, but that’s… I think that’s Victor Krum. Victor Krum’s arm. You know what I’m saying?

Micah: All right. Well…

Eric: Maybe it’s Moody. Maybe that’s Moody.

Micah: Maybe it is. We don’t mean to get into too much analysis here, but…

Eric: Yeah sorry, I can’t believe it’s Episode 262…

Micah: I don’t think we’ve ever broken down the covers on the show.

Eric: It’s Episode 262, and we haven’t talked about that.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Eric: I mean… well, no, I think we’ll always find stuff to talk about, by the way. But we did talk about Book 7 when that was released, obviously, because that was huge.

Micah: Yeah, absolutely.

Eric: But yeah, in terms of the other covers, I guess I never realized how intricate this stuff was. But yeah, I’m excited to see the upcoming book covers. And the thing is, I’m glad they’re releasing them all at once. They only previewed the first book, but the fact that all the books on the shelves of Harry Potter are going to be seen new is refreshing because otherwise we’d have to wait a year until the next one, a year until the next one, a year until the next one, then three years, then two years. And it would be like, oh come on already. But yeah, they’re celebrating fifteen years of Potter. It’s pretty cool.

Micah: Absolutely.


Listener Tweets: Future 15th Anniversary Harry Potter Paperback Covers


Micah: And we did ask on Twitter what people would like to see these fifteenth anniversary covers look like for the different books. Obviously we’ve seen Sorcerer’s Stone, Eric, as you pointed out, but we did get some responses. itsnotnostalgic – that’s a cool Twitter name – said:

“For ‘Order of the Phoenix’…”

[Eric laughs]

Micah: [continues]

“…it should definitely be Harry and company flying to the Ministry to ‘save’ Sirius.”

Eric: Hmm, okay.

Micah: Energezer1 said:

“I’d love to see a shot of the Weasleys’ joke shop on Book 6. Maybe even the vanishing cabinet!”

Eric: [laughs] How can you see a vanishing cabinet?

Micah: I was going to say that. WonderousWatson:

“I would love to see Harry and Ron crashing into the barrier for ‘Chamber of Secrets’.”

That would be a cool cover.

Eric: That would be epic. [laughs]

Micah: AmityHufflepuff says:

“Hmm… maybe the Yule Ball for ‘Goblet of Fire’. I wish I could have gone to it.”

And MooRose15:

“Harry fighting the basilisk, it would bring in new readers. Who wouldn’t buy a book that had a twelve year old fighting a huge snake?”

Who wouldn’t?

Eric: Hmm. That’s a good question. Who indeed? Who indeed would not?

MuggleCast 262 Transcript (continued)


Voicemail: Extended Editions of the Harry Potter Films


Micah: Well, as mentioned at the top of the show, we do have several voicemails that you guys sent in that we want to go through. And so, we’ll play the first one right now.

Eric: Okay, and our first one comes from Simone.

[Audio]: Hey MuggleCast, this is Simone calling with a question. Personally, I really enjoyed the extended editions of the first two movies. There wasn’t a ton of content, but it was still interesting. Do you think we’ll ever see extended versions of the other movies? I think Warner Bros. has displayed a lot of creativity in ways to try to get us to spend money. I have to say, I would definitely show up for this. Thanks a lot. Love the show, keep it up. Bye.

Eric: So, Simone asked if there will be extended editions, if we think there will be extended editions to the later Harry Potter films, and I assume that means versions with deleted scenes and all that put back in the way that the Ultimate Editions did for the first two Harry Potter films.

Micah: Yeah, and does he mean in theaters, or is he talking about… because they have done them on television. In particular with ABC Family, I know they always put the deleted scenes in.

Eric: Mhm, yeah, and show the extended versions. I assume he means home video, but, just thinking about it, I feel like the deleted scenes… as the films went on, the scripts changed, the way that they wrote the film changed. So, it became less about, “We have to capture this scene from the book on film,” than, “We have to tell the story.” So, what I mean to say is that a lot of the deleted scenes that you do see on the DVDs, the Blu-rays, and the features and stuff tend to be… I don’t want to say extraneous. They kind of go different directions and they would confuse the narrative if inserted. Unlike the first two films which are really just very faithful to the books, in the right order, and they’re completely new scenes. So, my argument would be that the films kind of changed the way that they were created and therefore there couldn’t be extended editions, because they knew pretty much what scenes they wanted to keep and they knew fairly early that Dobby wouldn’t be coming back in films, and Dumbledore wouldn’t have a funeral, and all that stuff so they never filmed it. So, they really wouldn’t be able to put something like that back into a film.

Micah: Yeah, and I think we’ve seen deleted scenes from later films, and some we’ve questioned and said, “Yeah, that would be great if it was included.” Others have just not fit, and that’s exactly why they didn’t make the final cut, is that they don’t fit. So, I agree with you. A lot of the deleted scenes, specifically from Sorcerer’s Stone and Chamber of Secrets, flow extremely well, and I think a lot of that has to with loyalty to the books. Whereas as we’ve gone forward in the series, what’s happened is… because of the size of the books, it’s been pretty difficult to not deviate from going literally chapter-by-chapter in the movie. So, just from a flow issue, I don’t know if it would necessarily work. But I would, at the end of the day, like to see something that has all of the extra content, maybe even some things that we haven’t seen that are still lying on the cutting room floor somewhere at Leavesden Studios, put together, and allow us to watch it consecutively.

Eric: Yeah, very much so.


Voicemail: Fan Fiction


Eric: And the next voicemail comes from Zoey.

[Audio]: Hi! I’m Zoey, and I’m fourteen, and I’m from Maryland, and I just wanted to know what you guys think about fan fiction. Do you think it’s cool or derogatory? Or do you just not read it? I know you have fan fiction on MuggleNet, and I just wanted to know your thoughts. By the way, I’m a huge fan, and I’m really glad that Selina joined because I also listen to Onceable and she is great there, too. So thanks, guys. Bye.

Eric: So, we have a Selina fan. And Zoey, thank you for submitting your question. I don’t think we’ve been asked this before. Maybe we have. But, Micah, what do you think about fan fiction?

Micah: Well, I’ll answer the other part of her question which was, “Do I read it?” and the answer is no.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: And that doesn’t mean that I dislike it or I think that it’s stupid or any of those types of things. I think it certainly has a purpose. I think it shows a lot of the creativity, in many cases, that our listeners and that the fan community as a whole can demonstrate. That’s just one of those areas… you talk about wizard rock or Quidditch or podcasting. I feel as if fan fiction and the writing element of it, fan art… it all kind of flows together and it works in synergy with other things. So, I think it just demonstrates the imagination and the creativity of the people who are a part of this fan community.

Eric: Yeah, I would agree, and I think that all writing is exercise, and having the ability to write new stories with established characters is… well, it’s kind of easier in some ways, but also it allows you to… it fuels your passion for writing. It builds your muscles for writing, and also allows you to explore those characters that other people know and love so well, that you know and love so well, in new venues. So I think it’s actually interesting, but I can’t say I’ve read a lot…

Micah: Yeah, and sure, we all know there are things out there that are interesting, to say the least.

Eric: Obscure. [laughs]

Micah: Yeah, but I think that’s all part of it.

Eric: Yeah, no, I think so too. So thank you again, Zoey, for sending in that question.


Voicemail: Sorcerer’s Stone Film Soundtrack


Eric: And next we go to Matt.

[Audio]: Hello, MuggleCast! This is Matt, calling from Nashville, Tennessee, again. I really appreciate you guys listening to my voicemail on the last podcast, even if I was the only one who submitted. My next question is – and this one is not quite as deep – have any of you noticed the music that plays when Hagrid introduces Harry to Diagon Alley in the Sorcerer’s Stone film is not on the movie soundtrack? Just something I’ve always wondered about, do any of you know why that is? Thanks so much, and take care, guys. Appreciate it.

Eric: So, this one’s interesting. Matt was helpful enough and gracious enough to grace us with another voicemail. This time it’s about that soundtrack. Do you know what moment he’s talking about, Micah?

Micah: I’m guessing when Hagrid taps the bricks, and it opens to Diagon Alley.

Eric: What is the music there? Is it like [sings part of the film score] or is that the Great Hall?

Micah: No, I think that’s right. I actually watched Sorcerer’s Stone, it’s been on HBO quite a few times in the last couple weeks.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: And I did watch it, and I did see that scene in particular, but I don’t recall off the top of my head what music is playing. And I actually confess, I don’t own any of the soundtracks to the films, so I’d have to defer to somebody who does.

Eric: Yeah, I have “2” and I have “3” and I think I have “5”, soundtrack-wise. But I don’t have the first one. The first one was interesting because even though it’s John Williams, it always felt like it was, sort of, selections from the soundtrack, more than it was every theme present. So, that might sort of reinforce what Matt asked. But I wonder if it’s really just not part of another track. Maybe… not that John Williams reuses themes, although we know he does because that’s the point. I wonder if that bit might not actually be labeled something different. But to be sure, we should re-watch that scene and also get the soundtrack to find out. But if any of our listeners can help out and happen to have the Sorcerer’s Stone soundtrack, and just want to see if Matt is correct and, in fact, that song is not on the soundtrack, write in to us. Let us know or submit a voicemail of your own, and we’ll play it on our forthcoming show and we’ll get that cleared up.

Micah: Yup, absolutely. I’m actually trying to see if I can pull it up here on YouTube.

Eric: Oh, okay. That’s a good idea, actually. Let’s see.

Micah: It sounds like Christmas music, basically. Though I would seem to think that this particular song is somewhere on the soundtrack. But we’ll move on to the next voicemail and, like Eric said, we’ll get back to you guys on the next episode. Once we have our research team here at MuggleCast dig into that deeply.

Eric: Actually, Micah, this song is – many people don’t know this – it’s actually from the Home Alone soundtrack. And that’s where you can find it because it’s Christmas time. [laughs]

Micah: [laughs] That’s what I said! It sounded like Christmas music.

Eric: It sounds like Christmas music. No, but yeah, very weird, and we will indeed have our scouts get on that for you.


Voicemail: Room of Requirement


Eric: So, the next voicemail comes from David.

[Audio]: Hi, MuggleCast. This is David. And my first thing is, I was wondering, whatever happened to the Room of Requirement after Crabbe – or was it Goyle? One of Malfoy’s two henchmen – set fire to it – Fiendfyre – in the seventh book? So, I’d love to hear your take on that. Bye!

Eric: So, David wants to know what happened to the Room of Requirement after the Fiendfyre incident.

Micah: Hmm.

Eric: In Book 7.

Micah: All those fire animals running around.

Eric: Yeah, and more powerful enough that it could destroy a Horcrux. I don’t know. I wonder what happened to… I don’t think it was… I don’t think it burned down the room, you know what I’m saying? But everything in it was probably obliterated.

Micah: Right. And I think that it was Crabbe who did it, if I recall correctly. And I would agree, Eric. I don’t know what happened to the room. I would assume that it would always be there to serve the purpose of whomever happened to cross it in the future.

Eric: Mhm. It’s kind of like that tree falling in the woods thing.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: If nobody is in the Room of Requirement, is it still on fire and burning? Or what would happen to the next guy who just needs a toilet?

Micah: Right.

Eric: [laughs] Or a chamber pot.

Micah: Well…

Eric: And he goes in and the door opens and it’s flames.

Micah: What’s interesting about it is, I feel like there is the Room of Requirement default, which is what we see with the Vanishing Cabinet and then when Harry, Ron, and Hermione go into it in Deathly Hallows to destroy the Horcrux. And then there’s the version of it when they need it to practice for Dumbledore’s Army. You know what I mean?

Eric: Yeah, like they…

Micah: I feel like the room with all the crap in it, that’s like the default setting.

Eric: Mhm, or…

Micah: That’s its true form.

Eric: I’m sure it’s… well, I wonder if its true form wouldn’t be emptier although that’s a movie-ism because in the books it’s actually got bookshelves of defensive spell work and all sorts of other stuff that they use it to practice in. But, yeah, Harry’s specific line to the Room of Requirement when he finds or when he wants to hide the diadem, is it… or something he says. “I need a place to hide my book.” There it is, the Half-Blood Prince book that he needs to hide. “I need a place to hide my book,” and then that appears. So, yeah, I think in some incarnation… and pretty much everything in that room, anything anybody hid at Hogwarts which that’s how that room got so crowded, is that’s how many people use that room to hide stuff. So, I think you’re right, Micah. If it’s not the default, it’s at least the most common room that people are looking for. So…

Micah: Probably a make-out room, too. I’m just guessing.

Eric: Probably a… well, there was the incident with the [laughs] mistletoe.

Micah: Yup, there you go.

Eric: With Cho. So…


Voicemail: Introduction to Other Fandoms


Micah: All right, final voicemail is from…

Eric: Carl.

Micah: All right.

[Audio]: Hey, this is Carl from Hawaii, and I just wanted to say thank you for having a wonderful show. If it wasn’t for you guys, I probably wouldn’t be a Twilight and Hunger Games and all those fans because… I found you guys because I was a Harry Potter fan, but because of you guys doing the spin-off podcasts I got involved in all those shows, all those movies, too. So, I just want to say thank you and aloha and have a nice day.

Micah: Aloha.

Eric: Aloha, Carl. Thanks for submitting your voicemail. So, Carl just wanted to say thanks, and that’s really cool to hear that we turned you on to some other fandoms and some of the other book series that we enjoy.

Micah: Yeah. Very envious of the weather out in Hawaii right now, I’ll tell you that.

Eric: Oh, what is it? Do you have it pulled up?

Micah: No, but we…

Eric: Are you one of those guys who always has the weather app turned to Hawaii?

Micah: [laughs] No, no, but I guarantee you it’s much nicer in Hawaii than it is right now in New York. But, anyway, I always like hearing those types of voicemails or emails or tweets because I think Potter introduced all of us to a lot of different things as well. We talk about our other projects, our other podcasts, our other interests really. And it was kind of a gateway to doing a lot of what we all do right now.

Eric: Very much so. And just to answer your question, it is 80 degrees in Hawaii right now.

Micah: Nice. So, I’m sure that Carl is much warmer than we are in New York and Chicago.

Eric: Probably enjoying some iced tea right now.

Micah: [laughs] Why not? But that’s it for the voicemails. Eric, how can people submit voicemails just like these five listeners did for this show?

Eric: So, voicemails can be submitted to us as basically just like calling us on the phone. And the MuggleCast hotline number has changed, so if you listen to some of our older episodes, you’ll hear a different number. The current number is (323) 984-8547. So, definitely give us a call. You can leave comments, feedback, or ask us questions and they can be about anything. They can be about the books, they can be about fan fiction, literally anything, and we will continue to play them on the episodes that we air.


Muggle Mail: What If Dumbledore Didn’t Die?


Micah: Awesome. So, thanks to everybody who sent those voicemails in and we’ll now go over to the hard written copy.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Still electronic, but not as tech savvy, shall we say, with our Muggle Mail submissions for this week. And Eric, I think… do you mind taking the first one?

Eric: Yeah, no, no problem. First one is from Izzy, of Bethel, Maine, age 10, which is really exciting. Izzy says:

“Hey, MuggleCast! I’ve only been listening to you for two days but I absolutely love you guys! I was wondering, how do you think the story would change if Dumbledore didn’t die? Thanks!”

Micah: Sometimes it’s the simple questions, and that’s why I put Izzy’s email in here. A very good question for a ten-year-old, by the way.

Eric: Yeah, I think so too.

Micah: What if Dumbledore didn’t die?

Eric: Well, I don’t know. It’s hard to imagine because JK Rowling kind of has a killing people thing [laughs] and it was really important for her… well, it’s important for Harry to grow by no longer having any mentors to look up to. That’s why Sirius died, Dumbledore the following year, and all those people the year after. So, I don’t know if it would have an effect on Harry’s growth as realizing that it really, really will come down to just him and Voldemort. I guess the absence of Dumbledore really helped him learn that, but I also think that if Dumbledore hadn’t died, maybe we would have gotten more insight into the Order and Harry’s parents and all that stuff because after Book 5, you actually – as of Book 6, even – Harry’s relationship with Dumbledore is very good, and Dumbledore was able to call him in for those special lessons about the Horcruxes and everything like that. It’s wonderful to read and I really feel like Book 7 would have been a lot more comfortable for everybody if Dumbledore were still alive.

Micah: Right. It definitely would have altered Snape, I think, and his character path because clearly there needed to be that moment where Snape proved himself loyal to Voldemort, and there was no better way to do that than by killing Dumbledore. So, it would be weird to see how that all played out if Dumbledore, in fact, had lived through Book 6, and I just think we also wouldn’t have gotten the same amount of insight into his life that we did in Book 7. That…

Eric: Right. With The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore.

Micah: Yeah. So, we learned a lot about his family, his brother, his sister, his parents, as well as his relationship with Grindelwald and their quest for power. So…

Eric: Right. We learned all that without him being there.

Micah: Yeah, so it completely changes the course of Deathly Hallows, and it would be an interesting question to ask JK Rowling. Did she ever consider having that Obi-Wan type figure live through the end of the series?

Eric: I wonder who would have appeared to Harry at King’s Cross, if Dumbledore hadn’t died.

Micah: Dobby? No.

Eric: Probably his parents.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Eric: [as Dobby] “Harry Potter!”

Micah: You know what was so weird is I just watched The Woman in Black for the first time.

Eric: Oh, really?

Micah: Speaking of King’s Cross, because there’s kind of a similarity to how that movie ends.

Eric: I never thought of that before, but you’re right.

Micah: Yeah. So, anyway, we won’t spoil that movie for you.


Muggle Mail: Appearance of Wands


Micah: But the next email comes from Josh, 23, of Wilmington, North Carolina, and he writes in about the wand discussion we had on last week’s episode. He said he was listening to that episode when we…

“…started talking about how wands, specifically about how in the first two films the wands look ‘quite plain’ and that for PoA it was changed so that characters had more ornate wands that reflect their characters. In the books, Jo doesn’t often describe wands and when she does she usually only gives us the kind of wood used, the core ingredient, and the length, but doesn’t really give detail as to the outer facade of the wands because it really isn’t important to the story. It does, however, make sense that a visual medium like film would want to make the wands look as unique and character-specific as possible. That being said, it does seem unlikely that Ollivander’s would sell an eleven-year-old a wand that looks like Voldemort and it got me thinking, what if the wand’s appearance changes over time? That is a popular mechanic of RPG games, that a weapon or item will change appearance as it is used, thus reflecting the character’s bravery, skill, and morality. In the same way a wand might change appearance based on the kind of spells you use and your proficiency with them as well as your own personality as you grow, it would also explain why the wand chooses the wizard because the wand knows that the wizard will change it. Would love to hear what you think about this theory. Keep up the great work. P.S. Slytherin rules.”

Eric: Well, thank you for that email, Josh.

Micah: That’s cool.

Eric: I think that’s pretty insightful, yeah. Never thought of something like wands changing over time. That is pretty cool.

Micah: Yeah, definitely, and I think that, to his point, we all play RPGs, or have at one point, and so there is something to be said for the weapons that you choose kind of maturing – I don’t know if that’s the right word, but…

Eric: Yeah, yeah.

Micah: …over time.

Eric: And reflecting.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah. And reflecting you, and I think that that’s… there’s definitely a basis in the Harry Potter books with wand loyalties as well. So, overall, very cool.


Muggle Mail: Dumbledore’s Plan to Defeat Voldemort


Eric: And the next one comes from Rebecca, from Vancouver:

“Hi, MuggleCasters. I had a thought the other day: If Harry’s mom hadn’t died to save Harry and Voldemort just killed his parents without Lily having the chance to be a martyr, then how do you think Dumbledore would have finished off Voldemort? Dumbledore’s ‘master plan’ that comes out in Book 7 in which Harry essentially sacrifices himself only works because Harry is a Horcrux from his mother’s love saving him. So, do you think Dumbledore and the Order could have tracked down Voldemort’s other Horcruxes on their own had they not had the extra power of a bit of Voldemort’s soul on their side, or was the entire good side just in trouble before Halloween 1981? Still love the show! Rebecca.”

Hmm. That’s interesting. I wonder if Lily’s love wasn’t what caused the Horcrux to happen. I wonder if, in fact, it was just that the prophecy was fated to fail, for Voldemort to fail, that whoever he chose for whatever reason would end up… something would backfire and then that person would be fated to defeat him.

Micah: Yeah, but I think the issue here is that if Lily died just normally, without stepping in front of Harry, Harry would have died as well, and Voldemort would have sustained. So, I guess what Rebecca is asking then, is: “What would Dumbeldore’s plan have been after all the Potters were dead?” and, “What would the Order’s plan have been? Would they have been able to track down these Horcruxes?” The thing is, Dumbledore doesn’t really have a clue as to what Tom Riddle/Voldemort has been up to prior to Chamber of Secrets with the diary. So, Dumbledore really has no clue as to how he has been able to anchor himself to life.

Eric: That’s a good point. That’s actually a really good point. It’s probably burning Dumbledore for twelve years, then.

Micah: Right.

Eric: You know? How did he survive? This, that, the other thing.

Micah: So yes, they would have been screwed, to answer your question.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Micah: Rebecca, sorry we couldn’t do any better than that.


Muggle Mail: Sorting MuggleCast on Pottermore


Micah: But the next email is from Kat, 19, from Sydney, Australia, and she says:

“Hey! So, I’m listening to Episode 239, and I’ve decided that you should (be outrageous and break some rules) and do an episode where you make a Pottermore account and be sorted and, like, debate out the questions and see what house MuggleCast is in/what wand you cumulatively get. Kind of because I think that would be cool, kind of because it could be interesting to hear you debate the questions. I don’t know, I would enjoy it. Anyway, just as a side note, I’m in love with 78, actual best episode ever. It’s my go-to episode, whenever I’m doing something tedious and want a podcast, it’s 78. As another side note, when I first started listening to you guys, circa episode one, I was too little for my own computer or iPod and used to burn episodes on CDs and listen to them on my sister’s old Walkman! Sad, sad. Well I guess, hopefully, this happens for me.”

Eric: I’m looking at the episode description from Episode 78 because I have to say that this is not one of those show numbers that sticks out to me. And according to the show notes: Jamie is back, okay, we have a Fawkes character discussion, and at the end of it, there is an interview with Joe Fulton of MillionairePlayboy.com about the latest Order of the Phoenix toy news. So not much would indicate that that’s a good episode, but…

Micah: It must be because Jamie came back.

Eric: …a stand out episode. Yes, but it must be because Jamie came back.

Micah: All right.

Eric: So, that’s great. And we should have Jamie back on soon, I think.

Micah: Absolutely.

Eric: On one of our newest episodes.

Micah: He’s back from his travels throughout Africa.

Eric: Yes, which is true.

Micah: That is true, we’re not making that up.

Eric: Yeah, we’re totally not making that up.


Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul


Micah: All right, so the next couple of emails that we have are Chicken Soup-ish. Eric?

Eric: And I’ll take… yeah, and I’ll take the first one.

Micah: Go ahead.

Eric: First one’s from Luke, 33, of Illinois. The subject is “Encouragement.”

“MuggleCast, my name is Luke and in the past six months I have gone through some very hard times with my life, dealing with career issues and family issues. It’s been very difficult and to help deal with the stress and help get through each day, I’ve been going on long runs while listening to all the old MuggleCast episodes in reverse order, which is interesting. Honestly, it’s the one thing that’s given me some joy and laughter in each day, and gives me something to look forward to while navigating a difficult time in my life. I’ve found a lot of comfort in those minutes of listening to you guys talk about ‘Potter’ and joke around. It’s been a real lifesaver for me. I just wanted you to know that your hard work and fun have really helped a complete stranger get through a very hard time in life. Thanks for your work, I really appreciate it and will always be listening and running!”

Micah: Nice.

Eric: Very nice. Thank you, Luke.

Micah: So, Luke knows all the secret codes by playing our episodes in reverse order…

Eric: [laughs] Yeah.

Micah: …that we’ve put out there over the course of the last seven plus years.

Eric: Shhh, Micah. Micah, it’s supposed to remain a secret! Nobody is supposed to know…

[Micah laughs]

Eric: …that if you play the entire five hundred hours of the show backwards you get Mozart’s, I don’t know, tenth symphony.

Micah: It’s true. The next email comes from Christine, 21, of Paris, and she says thank you:

“Dear MuggleCasters, from listening to your show for the last six years, I know you must get a lot of similar messages, but I still wanted to write in to tell you how much I appreciate MuggleCast. I come from South Africa, but I have been living in Paris for the last six months by myself. And while Paris is definitely a nice place to be, I often get homesick, and then I find it really comforting to listen to old episodes of your show. When I first started listening to your show all those years ago, it felt wonderful to finally find people who knew all sorts of geeky facts about Harry Potter and liked to talk about it – just like me! And it still feels that way today. So, thank you!”

Eric: Very cool.

Micah: Well thank you, Christine.

Eric: Yeah, thanks, Christine. We’re happy that we can anchor you back to home. And the next email… oh, the final email comes from Laine, age 30, from Australia:

“Hi MuggleCasters, I am from Queensland, Australia and we recently had a series of floods caused by a tropical cyclone.

Pfft. Why anybody would live in Australia is beyond me. [laughs] Cyclones.

“One of the worst areas hit was the Bay of Bundaberg which is approximately 289 miles north of the capital of Brisbane where I live. I work for the state government and am part of a team that will assist when a natural disaster occurs. Part of the job that we do is assist in the granting of a monetary amount that is offered by the government and while doing this we hear their stories. Some of these people have lost everything and you cannot help but be affected by it all. As part of my wind down at the end of the day, I would listen to your podcasts and just hearing your voices helped me calm down. Thank you. Laine.”

Micah: Well thanks, Laine. It sounds like you’re doing a lot of good work out there in Australia.

Eric: Very much so.

Micah: Cool that we’re hearing from some international listeners there.

Eric: Yeah!

Micah: Two from Australia, and one from France. So… actually, three from Australia.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Going back to the… and one from Vancouver, so we’re just all over the place.

Eric: We are international, baby.


Show Close


Micah: We are. But that about wraps it up for Episode 262. People who want to follow us can do so in many different ways. We are on Twitter at Twitter.com/MuggleCast. We’re also on Facebook at Facebook.com/MuggleCast. You can also subscribe and review us, subscribe to the show. We’re assuming that if you’re listening to us now you’re subscribed to the show but perhaps you wandered onto the MuggleCast site and clicked on the “On Air” graphic, so you can of course subscribe to us on iTunes. You can rate and review us there as well. We always like hearing from you guys and getting feedback. You can shoot us an email either by directly sending it to mugglecast at staff dot mugglenet dot com or you can use the feedback form on the website. And we do have a Tumblr as well, which is MuggleCast.Tumblr.com.

Eric: Yes, and that’s… you know, I always enjoy visiting the MuggleCast… and it’s a fan Tumblr, so we have some of our listeners… and actually it’s a great… turned into a really great community on Tumblr there for us, so definitely check that out. And again, if you’d like to send us a voicemail, you can do so. That number, again, is (323) 984-8547, and that’s the MuggleCast hotline. You can reach us there 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

Micah: Somebody is calling us right now.

Eric: Whoa, who’s that? Who could that be?

Micah: Not sure. But in case you’re looking for any of this information, we will be sure to put the new voicemail number in the show notes but also onto the MuggleCast website. If you log on to MuggleCast.com, there’s a handy dandy bunch of icons located on the right-hand side of the website for iTunes, Twitter, Facebook and Tumblr, and you can just click on “Contact” and there will be a feedback form on that page where you can send us questions you have, concerns, whatever you want, pictures. And also transcripts are available on MuggleCast.com for all of our episodes now. We might just have one or two that need to be posted but it is pretty up-to-date, so if you choose to read our show instead of listening to our show, or do both, you can check out the transcript section. There’s also a section on the site… we don’t talk much about this over the course of the last couple of episodes, but we do have a Wall of Fame section where we put notable episodes onto our website in a nice little list for you guys to check out, and there’s about ten to fifteen episodes… maybe a little bit more than that, actually, looking at it now, possibly twenty. Twenty out of the 200-plus, 250-plus episodes that we’ve done, sort of the ones that have stood out to us and stood out for the fans. And if you have one that you think warrants being on the Wall of Fame, let us know and we’ll put it up there.

Eric: Such as Kat from Sydney, Australia, who says Episode 78.

Micah: 78, the return of Jamie.

Eric: Okay.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

[Show music begins]

Micah: But I think that about wraps it up for this episode of MuggleCast. Right, Eric?

Eric: Yeah. We’ll see you in the next month.

Micah: Well, that does it for Episode 262 of MuggleCast. We will see you next time for Episode 263.

Eric: In the month of March.

Micah: March. I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Eric: March. And I’m Eric Scull.

Micah: See ya. [laughs]

Eric: [laughs and imitates Micah] See ya.

[Show music continues]

Transcript #261

MuggleCast 261 Transcript


Show Intro


[“Hedwig’s Theme” plays]

Andrew: Because this is our eighth year Harry Potter podcasting, this is MuggleCast Episode 261 for January 27th, [2013].

[Show music begins]

Andrew: This week’s podcast is brought to you by Audible.com, the Internet’s leading provider of audiobooks with more than 100,000 downloadable titles across all types of literature, including fiction, non-fiction, and periodicals. For a free audiobook of your choice, go to AudiblePodcast.com/MuggleCast.

[Show music continues]

Andrew: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 261. Eric, Micah, and I are here this week. Hello, gentlemen.

Eric: Hello.

Micah: Hello.

Andrew: What do we have on tap for this week, this month, this year? The first episode of 2013? You guys tell me.

Micah: It’s kind of scary, isn’t it? To think this will be our eighth year of podcasting?

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: We started way, way back in 2005.

Andrew: Mhm. It is a long time, Micah.

Micah: It is. What’s interesting is seeing you guys as we podcast here because we’re doing it on Google Hangout, which we haven’t normally done over the last… how long has Google Hangout even been around? A year?

Andrew: Yeah, maybe a year or two. But it’s only gotten better recently, so…

Micah: Yeah. I just find it interesting to see what each of you do as you podcast. Andrew…

Andrew: What do you notice about me?

Micah: Sipping some coffee or alcohol.

Andrew: It’s pure vodka.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: It’s a nice mug.

Micah: That’s what I was going to say. Yeah, it’s cool. But anyway, on this episode, nothing. We’re not going to change too much in 2013, I don’t think. We’re going to stick to our normal format. Go through some news, talk a little bit about Harry Potter

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: …new content from Pottermore, and do some fun segments. And we might even bring back a voicemail or two.

Andrew: Wow. Bring back from where?

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: From two years ago, the voicemail.

Eric: Well, well, let’s…

Micah: No, no, no, it’s been longer than that.

Andrew: The lost voicemail.

Micah: I was going to say we should really task the listeners with going back in time and seeing if they can tell us the last time we had a voicemail on the show.

Andrew: I would think you could just search the show notes and find… because we would probably mark the voicemail segment.

Micah: That’s true.

Andrew: I would think.

Micah: I would think. But…

Eric: I’m going to do that right now. I’m curious.

Micah: Let’s see, if we had to guess – go around the table – when was the last time we had a voicemail on this podcast?

Andrew: 2008.

Eric: Would you think… oh wow, that’s a specific year. Would think that it was before… we haven’t had voicemails since we had David Heyman on the show, did we? Have we?

Micah: Did we have…

Andrew: Yeah, maybe that was the last time.

Micah: …voicemails specifically for him?

Eric: No, we didn’t. But I was saying that was kind of a milestone. But that was two or three years ago, Episode 200.

Micah: Yup.

Eric: So, let me…

Micah: I think Andrew could be on target there. 2008, possibly.

Andrew: Well, tell us what’s in the news today, Micah.


News: Wizarding World Construction Begins in Japan


Micah: We have some updates from the Wizarding World in Japan. Construction finally beginning over there. Many, many thousands of miles away from all of us, but we’re slowly starting to see things come together. I see one picture here with Elmo on the wall outside. I don’t know how Elmo ties into Universal Studios, necessarily.

Andrew: Weird things happen in Japan. That’s all you can say about that.

Micah: Everything is randomly connected, I guess, in other parts of the globe. But the building that we see, I’m not entirely sure what it is and why it’s necessarily associated with the Wizarding World, unless it’s the beginning of the castle being put together. But it looks more just like your average corporate building, to be honest with you.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: There’s nothing that really says Harry Potter about it. [laughs]

Andrew: Well, of course. Micah, come on, you’re a construction man. They’re not going to build Hogwarts Castle, they’re building the structure. My guess is that’s probably the building that the Forbidden Journey will be housed in.

Micah: Hmm.

Eric: I think that’s probably right.

Andrew: It looks just like the other one, so yeah. And it’s supposed to be the same exact thing as what’s in Orlando right now, so we shouldn’t be expecting any surprises or anything. But it’ll be interesting to see if they make any areas bigger because of crowd issues. I know there’s been some crowd concerns with Wizarding World Orlando, so that’ll be interesting to see if they kind of backtrack on those from the original plans.

Eric: It’s funny, I usually think of Asia as having crowd issues normally.

Andrew: Yeah. Well, and I mean the thing about the small stores, as they argue, is that in the books they’re small, the stores are small. It was kind of designed that way on purpose to make it loyal to the book.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: And the movies. So…

Micah: Yeah. I wonder, though. You said it’s going to be the same as the one in Orlando. Is that including an expansion?

Andrew: No.

Micah: Or will Orlando be the only one that has this new area?

Andrew: My guess is Orlando is going to be the only one with this expansion because they… I think Universal Orlando still probably wants the advantage over the other parks.

Micah: Mhm.

Andrew: And who knows how well these other parks are going to do in these different locations. It’s kind of a safe bet that they’ll be successful, but we don’t know for sure. So yeah, I think you’re just going to see that in Orlando. By the way, we were sent on Hypable some photos of the Orlando expansion and we were asked to take them down, but they were something. They basically proved that they are building Gringotts. We saw the windows and we saw the teller desks. [laughs]

Eric: Oh, wow.

Andrew: So, there’s kind of no doubt that…

Micah: Did you see the goblins?

Andrew: No, those have not been constructed yet.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Warwick was not there.

Micah: But it says this park is set to open in late 2014. Is that the same timeline for the park out in Hollywood as well?

Andrew: I think that one is 2015.

Micah: Hmm.

Andrew: Yeah, because they’ve barely even started here. There’s nothing, as far as I’m aware. And they have to knock down a lot of stuff here first, whereas in Orlando and Japan they didn’t. What else is going on in the news?


News: Pottermore Insider Explains How Moments Are Created


Micah: We got an interesting update from Pottermore. They took us behind the scenes to really give us insight into how a Moment is created. So, as you go through Pottermore, usually you get several chapters per segment – or several segments per chapter, I should say – and you get these Moments from the design team, coded and magically created so that you can interface with it. I thought that kind of the big piece in this was that they try and take scenes that don’t necessarily appear in the movies. They specifically said, “We also like to highlight scenes that were omitted from the films or those where the film depiction differs from the books.” So, they really want to give people experiences that they wouldn’t normally have if they were watching the movies.

Andrew: Yeah. I think that’s a really good idea because I think, as I wrote in here, it’s good that they… it’s nice that what Rowling dreamed up finally gets some visual light of day, as I put it…

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: …kind of poorly in the post. Because you don’t see it in the movies, so that’s nice that they prioritize.

Micah: Yup.

Andrew: They should really say that more, say, “Hey, join Pottermore and check out these scenes that you didn’t get to see in the movies.”

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: That seems like a selling point to me.

Eric: I agree with that. They’re all very artistic and they’re fun to look at. So, the fact that they weren’t specifically in the movies… I noticed that even the scenes that made it completely into the movies from the book, they managed to keep it interesting on Pottermore in terms of the perspective of the Moments.

Micah: I agree with what you said, Andrew, though. I think it would be a great selling point.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I think that a lot of people go to Pottermore… and for those who have read the books, they’re looking for the additional information. And when they’re interfacing with it, they tend to get frustrated or get bored because you don’t necessarily have that much going on. There’ll be a chapter where you’re just clicking and nothing really happens. Maybe you hear a noise here or there. But if you know going in that, “Hey, I’m experiencing a chapter that doesn’t appear in the movies, and they took a lot of time and attention and care to detail in creating this,” maybe you’ll appreciate it a little bit more.

Andrew: Yeah. Exactly.

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: I wonder if there’s going to be a Pottermore Superbowl commercial.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Eric: They want to be everywhere, don’t they?

Micah: Brought to you by Sony?

Eric: Yeah, brought to you by Sony.

Andrew: Yeah, Sony’s probably got the money for it. Yeah, they do want to be everywhere. You would think that’s kind of… they should consider that.

Eric: A logical step.

Micah: They do. There was a story not too long ago – I think it was actually yesterday or the day before – about how they’re now working together with the Book of Spells.

Andrew: Really? Oh, that’s right.

Micah: And how you can now connect spells that you learned on the PlayStation and bring them into Pottermore. So, I guess you can duel with them or do something to that effect. I didn’t really read too much up on it, but…

Andrew: Well, I know when you connect your accounts you can get the wand that you were assigned in Pottermore on Book of Spells. It’ll become your wand in Book of Spells.

Micah: Oh, okay.

Eric: Oh, cool.

Andrew: That’s a nice integration.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: I’m not running out to buy it because of that, but…

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Micah: It’s funny, I actually got it over the holidays. I got it as a present and I haven’t hooked it up yet…

Andrew: [laughs] Ho ho!

Eric: Oh, no kidding?

Micah: …to test it out.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Micah, if I gave you that gift for Christmas I would have been calling you by now and been like, “So, what do you think of your Book of Spells? How’s it going?” And I would be very upset.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, why haven’t you… you don’t seem very excited if… I mean, it’s been a month now since…

Micah: Yeah, it’s true.

Eric: You should… I think you’ve given up the present. You should regift, Micah. You know my half birthday is… actually, that’s not true.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: My birthday is coming up soon. You might as well regift if you’re not going to plug it in.

Andrew: Well, I’m never playing it. I know for sure now because my PlayStation 3 died the other day.

Eric: What?

Andrew: Yeah. It finally died, so I just bought a Blu-ray player. I never play games anyway, so…

Eric: Well, that’s fair. But they do have the new white PlayStation 3, not that I’m advertising for them.

Andrew: Yeah. I just never play video games, so…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: …just bought a Blu-ray player. Stick with that.

Micah: I think I’m missing one of the components. I think that’s what it is. You need a little piece that goes…

Andrew: Yeah, you need like thirty accessories to play Book of Spells.

Micah: Yeah, exactly. I just got the Book of Spells itself. I don’t have all the additional components.

Andrew: You don’t have the wand and the camera and the… what else do you need?

Micah: Yeah. The fifteen million other things that you need to make it happen.

Andrew: It’s literally four… you need the wand…

Eric: The book…

Andrew: The book, the camera, of course the PlayStation itself, the game. So, it’s like five elements.

Micah: Right.

Eric: Still, I would think that the game wouldn’t be sold on its own because of it being…

Andrew: You can get a pack.

Micah: Yeah, I’ll have to take a look and see what’s in there. I think the only thing that might be missing is the camera. So…

Andrew: Oh, okay. And you need a TV, which I just find ridiculous. I’m out.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Micah: Those are expensive these days.

Andrew: They are.

We are going to continue with the news in just a moment, but first it is time to remind you that today’s episode is brought to you by Audible.com, the Internet’s leading provider of audiobooks with more than 100,000 downloadable titles across all types of literature and featuring audio versions of many New York Times Bestsellers. For our listeners, Audible is offering a free audiobook to give you a chance to try out their great service. One audiobook to consider is Divergent by Veronica Roth. Now, I get lots of questions… since we do this podcast and we do a couple of others, people ask us, “Well, what should I read next? What is next? What is the next big thing?” Of course, there was Twilight, there was The Hunger Games. And the next big thing, I’m going to let you in on the secret right now. Some of you know this already because it’s already kind of becoming the next big thing. It is Divergent by Veronica Roth. It is a trilogy, even though only two of the three books are out right now. The third one is due out this year. The second one is called Insurgent, the first one is called Divergent. Rumor has it the third one is going to be called Detergent, but that’s besides the point. And also a joke. But anyway, Divergent, book one in the trilogy. It is a dystopian novel. I actually just finished reading it the other day. You can listen to it, just like you do a podcast, for absolutely free by visiting AudiblePodcast.com/MuggleCast. Do a search for “Divergent”, you will see the book there. You know, people really enjoy the book, and people do believe it’s going to be the next big thing. There is a movie that they haven’t started shooting yet, but they’re going to start shooting soon. They actually… the studio just announced the other day that Kate Winslet is going to be in the movie. We don’t know who she’s going to play yet. There’s some guesses, but Summit has not announced yet who she’s going to play. And by the way, Shailene Woodley is going to have the lead role as Tris. This book follows a girl in the lead character slot. So again, go to AudiblePodcast.com/MuggleCast, type in “Divergent”, type in “Fifty Shades of Grey”, type in whatever you want. Whatever book you want to read, visit AudiblePodcast.com/MuggleCast and chances are you’re going to find it. They have, like I said, over 100,000 downloadable titles and many, many, many books you are going to love listening to, just like you do this podcast, are available there on Audible. And we thank Audible for their support of the show.


News: Warner Bros. Studio Tour London to Host Wand Week


Micah: Speaking of wands though, the studio tour…

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: …over in England is hosting Wand Week, which I ask, is this similar to Shark Week? It seems like they’re starting to do a lot of themed weeks. They did something with the Dark Arts not too long ago…

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: …it was before the holidays. And I think we can probably expect a lot more of this kind of stuff moving forward where the studio tour will put things on display, or create these theme-type weeks that maybe haven’t necessarily got the attention or there just maybe wasn’t space in the studio tour to house some of this stuff, so they’ll do these cool kinds of features.

Andrew: Yeah, it’s a cool idea. It’s definitely great to bring people back, or maybe finally give people a push to come in and experience the thing. I know Disney, this year, they’re doing a series of Limited Time Magic, and this is what that kind of reminds me of. It’s these limited time, special things. But really, a lot of these should be open. A week doesn’t seem like enough time. It should be longer. I don’t get why it’s so small…

Eric: True.

Andrew: …of a window.

Eric: Yeah. Museum exhibits, for example, are usually like a month or two long, I think. If they are a traveling…

Micah: Right.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Eric: …exhibition. Wand Week, though, kind of has a nice ring to it.

Andrew: I’m surprised they are not selling annual passes, and I mean that seriously. If they want people to come back for these different themed events, why don’t you do this special pass that’s good for a year?

Eric: You know, it’s funny, I can’t remember who it was, but just the other day, in a Ustream chat for the Shorty Awards, somebody said that they lived near the studio tour and have been like twenty-five times.

Andrew: Good God.

Eric: They said that it was their second home. So whoever it is, whoever that was, let us know how Wand Week is.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Because if I went there that often [laughs] I’d be looking for something different, I’m sure.

Andrew: It seemed really expensive to me. I think I brought up on the last episode that I went to Harry Potter: The Exhibition in New York City. Did I mention that?

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Oh, the recent one?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, the one that we… okay, cool. What did you think?

Andrew: That was the first… well, I’m trying to remember… did I talk about this last episode? I don’t want to…

Micah: You talked about it a little bit, I thought.

Andrew: I was just… well, I thought it was all right. I was disappointed they didn’t let you take pictures. That was really bugging me.

Eric: Oh.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Especially when I was getting sorted! I’m up there, on the Great Hall thing, with the hat on my head, and you can’t even take a picture? Come on!

Eric: Yeah. Well, did they take one for you and then…

Andrew: No.

Eric: …they expect you to buy it? No, they didn’t, so…

Andrew: Well yeah, they do at the very beginning.

Eric: Oh.

Andrew: But not…

Eric: But not getting sorted.

Andrew: Right, not getting sorted.

Eric: If you’re getting sorted, that’s a special occasion. Not just everybody gets sorted.

Andrew: Yeah. By the way, me, my mom, and brother, we did this evening tour and there was just, like, five of us. It’s like, what’s the harm?

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Come on, don’t you know I do MuggleCast? Come on…

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Andrew: …I need this picture of me being sorted.

Eric: Do you know who I am? Do you know who I am?

Andrew: Yeah. Do you know who I am? [laughs]

Micah: It’s clearly a policy, though, because I remember when I went with a friend, back when the exhibition was first in New York, and she tried taking pictures, and they went over to her and did the same thing, so… I don’t understand it, though, because the studio tour you can take as many pictures are you want.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I mean, you see all the pictures that our friends have posted when they’ve gone over to visit. So, I don’t understand what the issue is for the exhibition because they’re not the original props, supposedly. I mean, they may be original in some sense but they’re not as authentic as what you would find at the studio tour, so who cares if people are taking photos of them? I mean, look, I can understand if people are going through they’re taking a photo of everything that they see. But to your point, if you’re there with five people and you’re kind of working your way through and there’s not many people around you, you should be able to take photos of whatever you want.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: I think it’s a fair point considering the studio tour does allow photos for the exhibition to also follow suit. The only thing I can think of is that it might be terms of the agreement for displaying those costumes and things.

Andrew: Yeah, I’m sure it’s probable with Warner Bros.

Eric: Maybe, but considering it’s a traveling exhibit and you’re not going to be able to see it – you can’t just go down the street and it will always be there – you should… I just think that photos should be allowed. I don’t know why that wouldn’t be.

Micah: Yup. It’s definitely weird, but some interesting notes that came along with this story and some of them may have touched on before but in the first and second films the wands looked quite plain and this was drastically changed in Prisoner of Azkaban when the wands were given distinctive shapes and carvings, reflecting the owner’s personality. Obviously we’ve heard a lot about this from the films over the years, that the wands were created specifically for the characters that were using them.

Andrew: Is that… I mean in the books you would think that they have some detail, or did JK Rowling never… I mean obviously she would describe the wands when people first got them.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: But I would think that the movie versions, what they became, were more of what you would expect to find in the actual books.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I wonder if that was Alfonso’s touch?

Eric: That’s the thing, is that it says during Prisoner of Azkaban

Andrew: Right.

Eric: …this changed dramatically.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: And I was like, yeah of course it did because he changed everything.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Eric: But that’s why Hermione’s wand has leaves or vines up the side of it. I think that’s… maybe I’ve already ranted about this on a previous MuggleCast, but suffice to say I just think that the wands that they currently sell as being Hermione’s wand, Bellatrix’s wand, Voldemort’s wand… which is a bone. I just don’t think it’s very realistic in terms of…

Andrew: Really?

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: Oh, I love those.

Eric: Well, if you’re like ten-year-old Voldemort though, and you get… and Ollivander hands you the wand and it’s a skeletal bone like a femur or something, [laughs] don’t you think you’re destined to be this evil overpowering wizard? Like, do you really think that when he was that young…

Andrew: Yeah. Well, I just… I mean in terms of purchasing them it is cool to…

Eric: Oh, okay.

Andrew: …be able to see the differences. You know what I mean?

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Mhm.

Eric: Well, I agree with that because if… to be honest, if they want to sell something it can’t just be plain.

Andrew: They can’t all look the same, other than the label.

Eric: Yeah, and how would you tell them apart?

Micah: Well, I seem to remember a story, probably from a couple of years ago, where they said that JK Rowling would actually sit down – I forget if it was with David Heyman, or one of the producers, or the director – and actually talk through what all of these wands look like for these specific characters. So… but I don’t know, Andrew, if they took on more the representation of the actors who were playing these characters or the characters themselves, so that might be an interesting question to ask. It also said that 17,000 hand-decorated and hand-labeled wand boxes filled Ollivander’s during filming, and his costume will actually be on display for the first time in front of his store in the studio tour. So, again, tying back to the stuff that hasn’t been featured up until this point.

Andrew: He… what was I going to say? Oh, in the movies, you know how… where was it? Someplace… oh, is it during… yeah, yeah, it’s on the actual studio tour, right? All the wands are on display, and each one has a name of a person, and they’re all crew and cast member names.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: Do you guys remember hearing that?

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, I thought that was neat.

Micah: It is.

Andrew: Just a random fact.

Micah: Because you could take your wife, your kids, and go show them that your wand is sitting there with your name in this studio tour, which, I think, is kind of cool.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Show your family, show your friends. Hey, I worked on Harry Potter. Here’s the proof.

Andrew: What’s that?

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: Yeah, exactly. Exactly.


News: Alan Rickman and Michael Gambon Prank Daniel Radcliffe During Prisoner of Azkaban Filming


Micah: But the final story of this episode, related to news, is the fart prank machine, or the fart machine prank, however…

Eric: Why is this news? How is this news? [laughs]

Andrew: I didn’t put it in.

Micah: I put it in, which is probably to be expected.

Andrew: It’s true.

Micah: But the video of this, finally…

Andrew: It’s really funny.

Micah: …was released…

Andrew: Well yeah, I actually… I don’t know how this surfaced. It’s off the DVD, obviously, but I don’t think it’s ever been on the Internet until recently.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: And it was on one of the special feature DVDs. I assume… it may be new on Wizard’s Collection or something, I have no idea.

Micah: Mhm.

Eric: Right.

Andrew: But it was obviously shot during Prisoner of Azkaban, in the scene where Dan Radcliffe and everybody is sleeping in the Great Hall and Dumbledore and Snape are talking. And apparently Michael Gambon inserted a fart machine into [laughs] Michael Gambon… into Dan Radcliffe’s sleeping bag, and what ensued was really funny. I’ll play a clip really quick. I’ll just skip to the good part.

[Clip plays]

Andrew: That’s Alfonso talking.

[Clip continues to play]

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

[Clip ends]

Andrew: What’s really funny to me… first of all, yeah, this is the first time we’re seeing this footage as far as I know, but also, I just love how Michael Gambon continues rolling through the lines…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: …even while the farts are happening.

Eric: Yup.

Micah: Yup.

Andrew: [imitating Michael Gambon] “Even in our deepest dreams. Our deepest dreams.”

Eric: [imitating Michael Gambon] “The deepest waters.” [laughs]

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: So funny.

Micah: Which begs the question, I think…

Andrew: [laughs] What question could this possibly beg? Go ahead.

Micah: Will we ever see bloopers from this series?

Andrew: Oh. [laughs] Yeah, that’s true. We still haven’t seen the bloopers, have we? Oh no, I thought there was a blooper reel in that new thing that just came out.

Eric: I really don’t know.

Micah: Which new thing is that?

Andrew: Wizard’s Collection, right? Wizard’s Collection, that came out…

Eric: Wizard’s Collection?

Andrew: No? Maybe not.

Eric: Based on the write-up that we got from, just the product write-up of what the features were, the bloopers weren’t advertised. But it’s possible they were on the special hidden disk or the double hidden disc.

Micah: I don’t…

Andrew: I see there was a little blooper reel included with Prisoner… or sorry, with… what is this a part of? Yeah, this is a part of Harry Potter Wizard’s Collection, and it was this clip… it was basically just showing how Rupert couldn’t keep a straight face. So, that was kind of considered a Harry Potter blooper reel because it was just tons of clips of him screwing up during takes.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: But yeah, I think we all know what kind of blooper reel we’re looking for.

Micah: Something like we just heard, with Gambon.

Andrew: Yes. More farting, please.

Micah: Yeah. Why not? He’s an old man, I bet he farts a lot.

Eric: Oh God.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Anyway…

Eric: [laughs] Does that conclude our news?

Micah: That does. What better way to conclude the news than talking about gas? Speaking of gas, our next…

Eric: Whoa.

Micah: No. [laughs]

Andrew: I don’t like…

Micah: That was a horrible transition. What’s that?

Eric: You can make that transition.

Micah: I can make that transition?

Eric: You can do that. You know what runs on gas, don’t you?

Micah: Well… or does it?

Eric: Or does it? Ooh, the Knight Bus.

Andrew: Or, is it out of gas?

Eric: Oh!

Micah: Boo.

[Andrew laughs]

MuggleCast 261 Transcript (continued)


Pottermore Discussion: The Knight Bus


Micah: But we wanted to talk a little bit about some of the things from Pottermore that were revealed in the first couple of chapters of Prisoner of Azkaban that we didn’t really get a chance to talk about in full detail on our last show. Our live show, right? It was live, I think?

Andrew: Yes, somewhat.

Eric: Yeah… [laughs]

Micah: [laughs] Somewhat live? It was, right? Year in review?

Andrew and Eric: Yeah.

Micah: All right. Well, the gas transition we were trying to make there has to deal with the Knight Bus, and we got some new information about it. It says that:

“[The Knight Bus] is a relatively modern invention in wizarding society, which sometimes (though it will rarely admit it) takes ideas from the Muggle world. The need for some form of transportation that could be used safely and discreetly by the underage or the infirm had been felt for a while and many suggestions had been made (sidecars on taxi-style broomsticks…”

Can you imagine that?

Eric: Mmm.

Andrew: Mm-mm.

Micah: No, that doesn’t seem to work.

Eric: No.

Micah: It barely works on Sirius’s motorbike. I can’t really see that.

Eric: I was going to say, that sidecar was a little… I don’t know. Maybe it was because Hagrid was sitting on it. I was skeptical.

Micah: But yeah, I don’t think it would work too well on a broomstick.

“…carrying baskets slung under Thestrals)…”

Is that a bit like a stork?

Eric: That would look weird because if you couldn’t see Thestrals you’d see the basket just hanging off of nothing.

Micah: That’s true. Maybe that’s why they decided not to do it.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: [continues]

“…all of them vetoed by the Ministry. Finally, Minister for Magic Dugald McPhail hit upon the idea of imitating the Muggles’ relatively new ‘bus service’ and in 1865, the Knight Bus hit the streets.”

Eric: Probably literally. She’s probably being very literal right there.

Micah: Mhm. Now, it says it was detested by purebloods because it was seen as a means of Muggle transportation. Any surprise there?

Eric: I get that. I see that.

Micah: No? No surprise?

Andrew: No, I don’t think so.

Eric: I see that.

Micah: And another piece of insight we got is that the driver and conductor of the Knight Bus in Prisoner of Azkaban are both named after JK Rowling’s grandfathers, Ernest and Stanley.

Eric: That’s cool.

Andrew: Now, that’s a surprise.

Micah: It’s a surprise?

Eric: It’s just something you’ve never heard before. Nobody is going to ask JK Rowling in an interview when there are questions like Sirius Black to ask her, “Well, how did you come up with the names of the conductor of the Knight Bus?” So, this is one of those fun facts that I think makes Pottermore a delight.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: But if you guys… honestly though, the question I have is, if you guys were JK Rowling, you were writing the Knight Bus and you had to name the conductor and the driver after your grandfathers, what would the characters names be?

Andrew: I don’t want to reveal that personal information.

Eric: Oh, okay. I’ll go first then. My driver and conductor would be Paul and Albert.

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: From what I understand. So…

Micah: Are those bus driver names?

Eric: I don’t know. Not as much as Ernest and Stanley. Paul and Albert. Micah, what would yours be?

Andrew: You’re just used to them now.

Eric: Yeah, that’s true. That’s very true.

Micah: Mine would be Fred and Morris.

Eric: Fred and Morris. Yeah, those are bus driver names.

Andrew: Morris? Mine would be Gunter and something else I can’t remember off the top of my head right now.

Eric: Oh, that’s okay.

Andrew: I can’t believe I can’t remember it, but…

Eric: Yeah, no, it happens. I had to think really hard about mine.

Andrew: Tom. That’s it.

Eric: Gunter and Tom?

Andrew: Yeah, see?

Eric: Fred and Morris…

Andrew: Tom is a bus driver’s name.

Micah: That’s true.

Eric: But anyway, that was fun. Yeah, the Knight Bus – I guess we saw it again after Book 3, but I think it was during a crazy time in Book 7 so I don’t really have much recollection of it. But it was interesting to read this about it because I like the extra info, and you just don’t hear about it. People don’t take the Knight Bus to get places – really, only Harry did that one time – but things like the Floo Network are just much more preferred, I guess.

Micah: I wonder if it has a specific route that it takes. I know it can randomly pick people up, but does it have a normal route that it takes?

Eric: Probably not.

Micah: No?

Eric: Because isn’t it that if you stick your wand arm out, somehow they find you right away, no matter where you’re going? So, I would say it’s just need-based. It’s always traveling because somebody always needs it, but I don’t think it would be the kind of bus that would take you from the Wal-Mart to the movie theater. I don’t know.


Pottermore Discussion: Boggarts


Micah: All right, well that wraps it up with the Knight Bus. Another area that we learned more about – well, not really an area, but somewhat of a creature – is a Boggart. And not too much new information there, other than the fact that… we know that they can be made to disappear, but more will inevitably arise to take their place.

Eric: That’s creepy.

Micah: Yeah, so you don’t really ever get rid of them, I guess.

Eric: Lupin left that out of his lesson. I think that would have been pretty darn scary. [laughs] “You can explode a Boggart, but eventually five more are just going to show up under your bed, kid. Enjoy.”

Micah: Exactly. So, it’s kind of like… what would be the equivalent? She says there’s no equivalent in the Muggle world, in our world, but there has to be because she had to have gotten it from somewhere.

Eric: [laughs] Just that JK Rowling cranium.

Andrew: Her mind is always… yeah.

Eric: 24-carat crystal.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: But I always thought… the interesting thing was that I always thought that Boggarts were modeled after the familiar childhood feeling of having a monster in your closet, you know?

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: You feel that there’s a… or under your bed. “There’s a monster under my bed!” You don’t want to look, you can’t see it, and if you did see it, wouldn’t it be clever if it were the very thing that you’re fearing? So, I always thought there was a connection there. But actually – according to Pottermore – apparently there’s actually not. That is…

Micah: Well, it does say that they’re generated and kept around by human emotion.

Eric: Well, that’s interesting.

Micah: So, I guess a depressed area would be something that would call for that kind of creature to be around.

Eric: It’s like fear creates it. That’s kind of cool.

Micah: One of the things that she did, I’ll just run through real quickly, was name some famous Boggarts.

Eric: Stop me if you’ve heard of any of these famous Boggarts. [laughs]

Micah: Yeah.

“The Old Boggle of Canterbury (believed by local Muggles to be a mad, cannibalistic hermit that lived in a cave; in reality a particularly small Boggart that had learnt how to make the most of echoes… echoes).”

Eric: [laughs] That’s funny.

Micah: There’s also:

“The Bludgeoning Boggart of Old London Town (a Boggart that had taken on the form of a murderous thug that prowled the back streets of nineteenth-century London, but which could be reduced to a hamster with one simple incantation).”

Eric: You know, this one – the phrasing of nineteenth-century London – makes me think late nineteenth-century London, which was around the 1880s, where Jack the Ripper was going around. But I somehow don’t think the stories are connected. I just wondered if she was trying to say that Jack the Ripper was a Boggart because they never caught him. So it’s kind of an interesting, perhaps plausible, idea, but I guess more would need to be known.

Andrew: I don’t get why these are famous Boggarts, though.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: What made them famous? Was this all the info she put, or did she have more?

Micah: No, this was it.

Andrew: Hmm.

Micah: This is how she listed them. So…

Eric: Maybe one of them is Jack the Ripper.

Micah: I think it’s just that people are thinking that they’re something that they’re really not.

Andrew: Mmm.

Micah: That they kind of create these… I guess similar to what we would call old wives tales.

Andrew: Mmm.

Micah: And then, the final one that she listed was:

“The Screaming Bogey of Strathtully (a Scottish Boggart that had fed on the fears of local Muggles to the point that it had become an elephantine black shadow with glowing white eyes, but which Lyall Lupin of the Ministry of Magic eventually trapped in a matchbox).”

So that’s a real Boggart. An actual example, I guess, as opposed to the others. But Lupin, the name Lupin, creeps up…

Eric: Sounds familiar!

Micah: …in this description. I wonder what the relation is. Father? Mother?

Eric: Oh, I imagine it would be maybe…

Micah: Grandfather?

Eric: …a few generations back.

Micah: Is Lyall a… is that a male name? Female name?

Andrew: That’s a male name.

Eric: Spelled that way it looks more feminine, but I’m not an expert, and I think it would probably still be a dude.

Micah: Mhm.

Eric: Lyall.

Micah: So, I guess the question we could ask – and I don’t know that this question has ever been asked on the show – is what would our Boggarts be? And more specifically, what would we use to get rid of them?

Andrew: My Boggart would be you, Micah.

Micah: [laughs] I scare you that much?

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. And to… what? To get rid of you, I would…

Micah: It’s got to be funny, right?

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Or a happy memory. No…

Andrew: I would think of all of Jamie’s British jokes and that would get rid of you.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Got it.

Eric: I don’t know what mine is. You’ve got to…

Andrew: That’s really personal, Micah. I don’t appreciate these personal questions. What would your Boggart be?

Micah: Hey, Eric asked the names of your grandfathers.

Eric: [laughs] That wasn’t personal.

Andrew: You’re basically the same person, you two. What would yours be, Micah?

Micah: It would probably be something related to… I think snakes. I’m not a big fan of snakes.

Andrew: Mmm.

Micah: So… I don’t know if that’s my deepest fear, though.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: So…

Eric: Eh. My Boggart – I’ve just thought of this – would be one of the creatures from the movie Prometheus. Literally any one of them.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: I recently re-watched that movie and they’re all terrifying creatures.

Andrew: I haven’t seen it. I’ve heard similar things like that, though.

Eric: Yeah. You must, though. It’s a good film and it looks great on Blu-ray.

Andrew: Onward, Micah. Onward.

Micah: Speaking of onward, sounds like something Sir Cadogan would say. [laughs] Doesn’t it?

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: Come on, I’m trying to transition here!

Eric: Ooh, this is good.


Pottermore Discussion: Sir Cadogan


Micah: The last piece of Pottermore information that we didn’t really touch on too much on last episode was Sir Cadogan, and we were told that he belonged in Gryffindor House, and he had a wizard father and a witch mother, so he is in fact a pureblood. Keeping it pure. Surprising he wasn’t in Slytherin, then.

Eric: Hmm.

Micah: But interesting, it says that he was supposedly one of the Knights of the Round Table, but a lesser-known one…

[Eric laughs]

Micah: …and that he was actually good buds with Merlin. Who knew?

Eric: Oh.

Andrew: Hmm.

Eric: So, then…

Andrew: Merlin the show?

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Yes, he will appear…

Andrew: That’s crazy.

Micah: …occasionally on that show, yes.

Eric: So when somebody says, “Merlin’s beard!” in front of the portrait of Sir Cadogan, he’ll be able to describe it down to its very detail.

Micah: Yeah, I would think so.

Eric: “Well, actually, Merlin’s beard was quite short. It was more of a goatee, really.” Or something like that.

Micah: But he’s been left out of the stories…

Eric: Of course.

Micah: …that have come to be known about King Arthur. Of course.

Eric: That always happens. That always happens. This reminds me a lot of Monty Python’s The Life of Brian which is like, born in the stable next door to where Jesus was born is Brian and he lives his whole life being mistaken for the Messiah and his mother is like, [speaking in a female voice] “He’s no Messiah! He’s a very naughty boy.” [back to normal voice] This reminds me of that tale, though. A case of mistaken identity or somebody who is really the underdog throughout life.

Micah: Right. But while he was left out of our version of the story, he was included in the wizarding version. It says that:

“These tales reveal him to be hot-headed and peppery, and brave to the point of foolhardiness, but a good man in a corner.”

Andrew: Hmm.

Eric: Hmm.

Micah: So if you are ever in a corner, call Sir Cadogan, I guess.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: And then it kind of details out how he came to be with the pony that shows up in the picture inside of Hogwarts. It says that:

“[His] most famous encounter was with the Wyvern of Wye, a dragonish creature that was terrorizing the West Country. At their first encounter, the beast ate Sir Cadogan’s handsome steed, bit his wand in half and melted his sword and visor.”

[Eric laughs]

Micah: [continues]

“Unable to see through the steam rising from his melting helmet, Sir Cadogan barely escaped with his life. However, rather than running away, he staggered into a nearby meadow, grabbed a small, fat pony grazing there, leapt upon it and galloped back towards the wyvern with nothing but his broken wand in his hand, prepared to meet a valiant death.”

Andrew: How dramatic.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Very dramatic.

Micah: [continues]

“The creature lowered its fearsome head to swallow Sir Cadogan and the pony whole, but the splintered and misfiring wand pierced its tongue, igniting the gassy fumes rising from its stomach and causing the wyvern to explode.”

[Eric laughs]

Micah: So, he’s a hero!

Eric: He’s a hero!

Andrew: Gotta love him.

Micah: And that’s how he got his fat pony.

Eric: And now all he gets to do is…

Micah: And alone? Is that what you said?

Andrew: I said, “Gotta love him.”

Micah: Oh, gotta love him. [laughs]

Eric: Now he gets to show kids how to get to the tower, the Divination Tower.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: But…

Micah: It was also mentioned in there that he had a fair number of children, I think. Like fifteen or seventeen children, if I remember.

Eric: [laughs] As you do.

Micah: [laughs] So… but that’s kind of… that’s the kind of stuff I think that people are interested in Pottermore for.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Right, Andrew?

Andrew: Me, personally, I’m still waiting for the more shocking information to come out.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: Yes, Aunt Marge’s…

Micah: Like about…

Andrew: Well, yeah, okay. Let’s say not even Aunt Marge admitting she’s a lesbian, or coming out as a lesbian.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Just something… I don’t know, just more factoids. [groans]

Eric: Yeah, do you think this is too all ages, this content?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: I see that. I see that.

Andrew: Well, it’s just basic. It’s not… I think JK Rowling has to go pull out some true gems. She has to have some real gems that will rock the fandom. It doesn’t have to be sexuality claims or anything like that. I’m sure there’s something. Anyway, it’s time now for a new game here on MuggleCast called Would You Rather.


Would You Rather


Micah: Yeah. It was… I think it was submitted by a user last year some time. We did it on one episode, and it was pretty well received. So, we asked the question on Twitter and got some interesting questions.

Andrew: Micah, would you rather throw a surprise party for Voldemort or marry Bellatrix Lestrange? That’s from Amanda.

Micah: I’d rather… well, what happens if you throw a surprise party for Voldemort?

Eric: He gets… he’s so surprised.

Andrew: He gives you an awkward hug.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Micah: He gives you an awkward hug? I would marry Bellatrix Lestrange.

Andrew: Yeah, I would too. She’s sexy, through and through.

Eric: [laughs] Oh, gosh. Yeah, I agree. What if you surprise Voldemort so much that he kills you because he hates surprises? Sounds like you’d have a better chance marrying Bellatrix Lestrange, which sounds weird.

Andrew: Yeah. Eric, would you rather – this is from Tyler – spend a weekend with Dudley or with Kreacher?

Eric: Wow, that’s a good question. Probably Kreacher, just because he’s another being, another creature I’d like to know a little bit more about how house-elves operate.

Andrew: Yeah, and he’s kind of like a pet, whereas Dudley is not a pet.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Except to Vernon and… Vernon and Petunia.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I agree with your choice as well.

Eric: So, Andrew, would you rather listen to a Mandrake crying, supposing it didn’t kill you, or would you rather listen to Umbridge say, “Hem hem,” for an hour straight?

Andrew: And that was from Rebecca. I would say the Umbridge thing because I like… I used to love Umbridge as a character, and the Mandrake cry is just so piercing and annoying.

Eric: Yeah, it is.

Andrew: That’s a good question, though.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: And…

Micah: I like your logic.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: And then, finally, from Michelle: would you rather meet the Harry Potter cast or meet JK Rowling?

Micah: Good question, Michelle.

Andrew: JK Rowling.

Micah: JK Rowling.

Andrew: She started it all.

Eric: I’m going to agree.

Andrew: I’ve already met the Harry Potter cast. [laughs]

Eric: I was going to say, I’ve already met JK Rowling. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, so we have… it depends. I think the question is for anybody who… if you’ve never done one or the other, then…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: …you either pick JK Rowling or… I would have picked JK Rowling.

Eric: I would pick JK Rowling, too, just because of the opportunity to thank her for… I’m sure she gets it all the time, but just the books.

Micah: Yup.

Eric: That is how that’s played!

Micah: I think we agreed pretty much on everything.

Andrew: Yeah, we kind of did actually. So…

Eric: Well, keep them coming.

Andrew: …develop more questions.

Eric: We should ask the listeners, keep them coming. At any point you can email us, tweet us, your Would You Rather’s.

MuggleCast 261 Transcript (continued)


Muggle Mail: Harry and Sirius


Andrew: It’s time for Muggle Mail now. This first email comes from Erica, 16, of Canada. She writes:

“Hey, guys. I found your site last school year. Listening to your Chapter-by-Chapter of ‘Prisoner of Azkaban’ deepened my love for the series. I always loved the books. I grew up…”

Do you pay attention in school?

“I grew up with them, but you guys caused my obsession. Anyways, I just wanted to ask if you guys think Harry…”

What is happening here in this email?

Eric: This is weird. I think it was…

Micah: [laughs] I don’t think she used punctuation.

Eric: No, she did use punctuation, but in all the wrong places. I think this was dictated. I think either Siri is writing it or maybe it’s the Canadian dialect and Siri can’t pick up on it. But there’s periods in the middle of…

Andrew: Oh, I see. Okay.

“Anyways, I just wanted to ask if you guys think Harry would have let Sirius go on the Horcrux hunt. Though he didn’t let Lupin go, I find it doubtful that Sirius would have let him go alone. I just always thought Harry would have told Sirius about the hunt. Just wondered what you guys think. P.S. Love you, Andrew.”

[laughs] Thank you.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Oh, I get it. Siri, Sirius. Is that what that joke was before, you guys?

Eric: No, no. It wasn’t even a joke.

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: It was just it looked like it had been transcribed from somewhere, like a translator or something…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …that put in all these periods.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: But anyway, yeah, I think Sirius totally would have gone with on the Horcrux hunt, especially he would have seen it as a calling because his brother did. Once it was learned what Regulus Black did, Sirius would have been like, “Man, my brother wasn’t an asshole. I got to live up to… I got to honor him.” So, I think it would have been a big deal.

Micah: Yeah, I think the difference with Lupin is that Harry is very concerned with the fact that he’s not giving enough attention to Tonks and their newborn child, and I think he sees a lot of… potentially what happened to him could potentially happen to… even though it eventually does happen…

[Eric laughs]

Micah: …but happen to Teddy. You know what I mean?

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: He’s seen the fact that if Lupin is going out, running around with him trying to find Horcruxes, it puts him at great risk. And he doesn’t want really to have that happen, where I think he looks at Sirius of being not as much of a parental figure but more of a peer, and…

Eric: And a rogue.

Micah: And a rogue, yeah. And I think that he would like the idea of having Sirius accompany him to look for Horcruxes.

Eric: Yeah, that’s a good point.


Muggle Mail: Horcrux Inside Harry


Andrew: This next email comes from Jean, 41, of California.

Micah: Neighbor of yours?

Andrew: Yeah, in fact.

“Hey, MuggleNet. My son, Chris, age 10, wants to know: how come the Horcrux inside Harry is not destroyed in his first visit to the Chamber of Secrets when the basilisk venom gets into his body? Until Fawkes arrives and uses his healing phoenix tears to cure Harry, it seems like the venom is enough to kill him. Is this a mistake on JK Rowling’s part, like she hadn’t yet planned out what Horcruxes were going to be, or is there some other explanation?”

Now, we have a thing here from… where did this come from, exactly? I assume…

Micah: I called JK Rowling.

Andrew: Oh, I see.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: And I transcribed exactly what she had to say. Do you want me to read it?

Andrew: So, where did this come from, really?

Micah: This came from JK Rowling, either from her website or from an interview with JK Rowling.

Andrew: Okay.

Micah: One of the two. I can’t remember.

Andrew: Go ahead, tell us what it says.

Micah: She had said either in an interview or on her website:

“I have been asked that a lot. Harry was exceptionally fortunate in that he had Fawkes. So before he could be destroyed without repair, which is what is necessary to destroy a Horcrux, he was mended. However, I made sure that Fawkes wasn’t around the second time a Horcrux got stabbed by a basilisk fang, so the poison did its work and it was irreparable within a short period of time. I established early in the book, Hermione says that you destroy a Horcrux by using something so powerful that there’s no remedy. But she does say there is a remedy for basilisk poison, but, of course, it has to be administered immediately. And when they stab the cup later – boy, I’m really blowing this for anyone who hasn’t finished the book – there’s Fawkes, is my answer. And thank you for giving me a chance to say that because people have argued that quite a lot.”

Andrew: Interesting.

Micah: So, it was just timing, I guess. Fawkes just happened to be there and saved Harry in the nick of time, and by doing so…

Eric: But because he didn’t die…

Micah: Right.

Eric: …it removed….

Micah: By doing so, he preserved the Horcrux.

Andrew: Just in the nick of time.


Muggle Mail: Weird Places To Listen


Andrew: All right, and the last email is Hannah, 23. “Weird Places to Listen.”

“Hi, MuggleCast. I am a brand new listener and I love the show! I listened to all the episodes you have on iTunes over the last few weeks, and now I’m going back and started from the beginning. I heard your ‘Weird Places to Listen’ segment, and didn’t know if my contribution would count. I work for the US Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and I listen to your podcast nonstop at work (along with Hunger Games Chat and Onceable).”

Those are podcasts on Hypable.

“Thank you for the amazing show and hours of entertainment! I’m so glad Selina is on the show now – she’s great, and it’s nice to have a girl’s perspective.”

Well, not today, but yes, normally it is.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: She’s actually away this weekend, so…

Eric: The US Department of Homeland Security.

Micah: Wow.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s pretty cool.

Eric: She could tell us more, but she’d have to kill us. The rest of her email…

Andrew: Immigration and Customs.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: That’s important work, and very… they let you in and out of the country.

Eric: Oh, man. I hope I get her next time I have to come into the country. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

[Micah laughs]


Listener Tweets: Horcruxes


Andrew: And then, finally, we have some tweets. We asked people on Twitter: what item close to you would you choose to put your soul into for protection? We asked that on Twitter.com/MuggleCast. And, Eric, what were the responses?

Eric: So, this one is from Energezer. Energezer says:

“I would put it back in my body, thank you very much. #NotVoldy”

So, okay. Kind of skirted around the question.

Micah: Play along, Energezer!

Eric: Play along, Energezer! Paige Kunkel says:

“My class ring.”

Kathryn White says:

“If I put my soul into my chocolate, what would happen when someone ate it?”

Fair question. Janaki:

“My guinea pig?”

[Micah laughs]

Eric: [continues]

“Just kidding, my ‘Order of the Phoenix’ book. I mean, I have two copies. What else would I use it for?”

Cassidy Tilden says:

“A slinky. Good luck destroying that.”

[laughs] And then Selina participated in our Twitter question. Selina Wilken says:

“Trick question. It’s already in my laptop.”

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: So, if you ever feel you pour your soul into your computer, there you go. And we actually had a very famous Twitter response from Rohan Gotobed, who said:

“A penguin if one was waddling around my street. After all, who would hurt a penguin?”

Andrew: Excuse my ignorance, who is Rohan? Was he one of the kids in the Epilogue?

Eric: He’s young Sirius Black, isn’t he?

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Micah: Yes.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: How easy is that for his mom, though? I mean, that must be funny every night.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: What? Oh, Gotobed. “Rohan, go to bed!” Anyway…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: So again, [laughs] just reminding people, the question is: what object would you put your soul into? Beccaaaaa says:

“My cat…”

Or no. [unintelligible] Beccaaaaa says:

“I’m not telling you that, then you would find it!”

Kelly Sorge says…

Andrew: Good point.

Eric: [continues]

“Like a football…”

Yeah.

“…or a dolphin.”

Nicole Soor says:

“In my iPod, so it has the company of all my MuggleCast podcasts.”

Andrew: Aww!

Eric: And I’m just going to read a few more. We got so many. Thank you guys for participating. I’m going to read, like, three more. Taylor Griffen says:

“A Tracfone. Those things are impossible to destroy.”

M&M says:

“Chapstick. If I can’t find that son of a gun, no one else would be able to.”

And Jaelin – this is probably my favorite one – says:

“The Declaration of Independence. Security will never know what they’re really protecting.”

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: I like that.

Eric: That’s fun. [laughs] So thanks, guys. We’ll try and pump out some more Twitter questions randomly throughout the next couple of weeks until our next episode.


Voicemail: Profound Effects of Harry Potter


Andrew: Okay, well I believe that is MuggleCast… oh, it sounds like you want to say something.

Eric: Just about the voicemail.

Andrew: Oh right, the voicemail. Yeah, okay. So, here’s the voicemail. Let’s listen in.

[Sounds of mic popping]

Andrew: Whoa.

[Audio]: Hi, MuggleCast staff. My name is Matthew. I’m calling from Nashville, Tennessee, with a question. Now that the series, both literary and film, is complete, I found myself – like many others, I’m sure – having a difficult time dealing with the end of it all. I often ask myself as a true-color fan, what am I supposed to do now? How am I supposed to just say goodbye to something I enjoyed so much for ten years? And furthermore, what is it about the series that has captivated me so? So Andrew, Eric, Selina, and Micah, how would each of you articulate why Harry Potter has had such a profound effect on your lives? Just what is it about this series that caused it to become such a phenomenon to us all? Thanks for your continued, hard-working podcast. I think it’s brilliant, and so are all of you. Cheers.

Andrew: That was really deep.

Eric: Yeah, right? I love this because we asked for voicemails just the other day – I will repeat the hotline in a minute – but that was the only one we got so far, and it was just really, I thought, well spoken, asking us about the end. Geez.

Micah: Why it’s had such a profound effect?

Eric: Yeah, and what’s he supposed to do now?

Andrew: Well, everybody has their own different reasons as to why it has had a profound effect.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: It may be friends. It may just be really connecting with the story. It may be giving you inspiration maybe to write yourself or to be a better reader or read more. There’s lots of different reasons, but I think the general consensus is that it all has to do with the great story that she wrote and the wonderful characters and the fandom that’s surrounded it as well.

Micah: Yup.

Andrew: There’s no one answer.

Eric: Agreed.

Micah: I agree, and I think that… he asked why has it had such a profound effect on him. I don’t know that we can answer that question. Only he can answer that question.

Eric: Look deep inside yourself.

Micah: Yeah. I think it ties into everything that you just said, Andrew. I think that for a lot of people, it was growing up with the book series, and that’s kind of a very unique situation, something that I don’t think we will probably ever see in our lifetime ever again, to have that kind of cultural phenomenon. And I think the fact that you could connect with so many different types of people, irregardless of all the things that get listed, whether it’s gender, religion, any kind of background, I think that it crossed all sorts of barriers. And everybody enjoyed it, with the exception of people like Laura Mallory.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: But I think that any time you have something like that, you’re going to have people try and capitalize negatively in some way. But I just think that that’s what makes it so different than anything else. And, like you said, the friendships, the fact that all of us met through this, and here we are still talking eight years later. And we’ve had a good ride and got to go to a lot of places and meet a lot of great people as a result of it, and… I don’t really know what else to say. I think you’re right, I think it’s different for each person.

Eric: Now, as to what you do now, share it with somebody else!

Andrew: You can also…

Eric: Find somebody who hasn’t read Harry Potter.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: Give them the books.

Andrew: I don’t know how much of a reader you are, but you can also read other books as well that you’ll find just as, perhaps, enlightening or exciting or moving, et cetera. So…

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: So what is that voicemail number, Micah – or Eric – for people who want to…

Eric: Yeah, so that voicemail number is (323) 984-8547. That comes directly to us, and you can leave us any comments at all, any questions, thoughts, theories, as long as it has to do with Harry Potter. We will get it, and we’ll play it on the show in a future segment. It just feels really good to have voicemails back, I think, in terms of hearing a fan voice on the show or a listener voice, you know?

Micah: Yup.

Eric: So, that’s good!


Show Close


Andrew: And also, a couple of plugs here, along with the website. I brought up on last month’s episode that I’ve been living a secret life [laughs] as a weekly podcaster…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: …which is what we used to do with MuggleCast, with this podcast called HYPE. It’s about to get a different, slight name change, but the podcast is called HYPE. You can visit HYPEPodcast.com. We do four episodes, $3.99 a month. Pop culture stuff, world news stuff… just life as young adults, that kind of thing. And I don’t mean that in a corny way. That just sounded corny. We talk about…

Micah: Perhaps talking about the new Star Wars movies.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah, stuff like that. And that Manti Te’o thing.

Micah: Fiasco?

Andrew: I meant to ask you to come on, but we recorded it in the morning. Yeah, the catfishing situation, where he got duped. He was living an online relationship that was fake. The girlfriend was fake.

Eric: Whoa!

Andrew: So we talked about stuff like that, just crazy stuff like that. And pop culture like Star Wars, like you were saying. Anyway, go to HYPEPodcast.com. You can listen to a couple of samples, and you can also sign up.

Micah: Yeah. And while we’re plugging, I’ll do a quick plug for Game of Owns, specifically because three of the hosts of this podcast – Eric, Selina, and myself, along with Zack Luye – do a weekly – or thrice-weekly, I guess you could say…

Eric: Thrice!

Micah: …depending on how you want to look at it – podcast about the Song of Ice and Fire series. The TV show is coming back on March 31st, so we’re gearing up for that. We have a lot of fun with it. We’re allowed to use language a little bit more age-appropriate than we are on MuggleCast, so you have that to look forward to. And obviously the content is much, much different than what you would see in the Harry Potter series, unless, of course, you’re reading fan fiction. So check it out, GameofOwns.com, Game of Owns on Twitter, Facebook… you know the deal.

Andrew: Did you guys see those new pictures that came out yesterday?

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Twenty-three hi-res Game of Thrones photos.

Eric: Totally awesome.

Andrew: Yeah. All right, so visit MuggleCast.com. You can click on “Contact Us” at the top to send us some Muggle Mail. You’ll also find our Twitter, Twitter.com/MuggleCast, Facebook.com/MuggleCast, and our fan Tumblr which is MuggleCast.Tumblr.com. Then you can also… what else can you do? Oh, go on iTunes. Rate and review us. Just go to the iTunes store…

Micah: Nothing less than five stars is acceptable.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Andrew: Yeah, we don’t want your four-star reviews. No, you can be honest. I see a nice review here:

“Andrew is a sellout. One star.”

So, that’s nice.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: Oh, come on.

Andrew: But that was back in July, so things have changed by then, let’s hope. [laughs]

Eric: You’re much less of a sellout now. [laughs]

Andrew: The only reviews are the problems about me, apparently. There’s a four-star review… oh no, sorry, three-star review, and it’s complaining that the Twilight podcast isn’t coming out anymore.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: So if you want to complain about me, just go into the iTunes store and write a less-than-five-star review. But if you like the show and everything that we do, you can leave a five-star review.

Micah: Now, do they have reviews going way back to 2005?

Andrew: Oh yeah, there’s everything here. Yeah.

Micah: Oh, wow. That’s cool.

Andrew: Yeah. I always sort it by most recent to see what new…

Micah: Oh, okay.

Andrew: But yeah, you can sort by most helpful and you will see reviews from 2005. Those are the first ones that show up.

Micah: That’s awesome. And you can always check out our transcripts section. We do have all of our episodes transcribed. There’s a huge library there. I think we’re almost up to date, at least through Episode 259. So, if you want to read what we say [laughs] every episode… I know that it’s been very useful for people who for whatever reason can’t download the show or are hearing impaired, they like to be able to go online and read the transcripts of the show.

Eric: What I like about it, also, is the transcripts section has that thing in front where it has all the interviews that we’ve had, with people’s thumbnail for their headshot…

Micah: Yup.

Eric: …so they can easily navigate to all the different interviews we’ve conducted throughout the years, which is very nice.

Micah: Yeah, if there’s a specific interview that you want to listen to, as Eric mentioned, they are all featured there, from David Yates to David Heyman to Oliver Phelps to Warwick Davis, the five hundred times he’s been on this show.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: They’re all there, and some of them are really good. It’s some of our… in my opinion, some of the best stuff that we’ve done over the years on the podcast. And something else I always hear is that people who don’t speak English as a first language often will go to the transcripts to help better understand what it is that we’re saying. I don’t think, though, that we’re always the best example [laughs] for proper use of the English language, but who cares?

[Show music begins]

Eric: [laughs] I will say that the transcribers probably did a very accurate job. So, making that clear.

Micah: Yup.

Andrew: Absolutely. All right, thanks everybody for listening and we’ll see you next time for Episode 262. I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: I’m Eric Scull.

Micah: And I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Eric: Bye, everybody.

Andrew: Goodbye.

Micah: Bye.

[Show music continues]

Transcript #260

MuggleCast 260 Transcript


Show Intro


[Show music begins]

Andrew: This week’s episode is brought to you by Audible.com. Audible is the leading provider of audiobooks, with more than 75,000 downloadable titles across all types of literature, including fiction, non-fiction, and periodicals. For a free audiobook of your choice, go to AudiblePodcast.com/MuggleCast.

[Show music continues]

Andrew: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 260. It is our end of the year show and it’s an exciting time because we haven’t been… we try to do these every month now, but we kind of got… we skipped November. It sort of just… not on purpose, it just sort of slipped by us. Our last episode was the end of October, and now we’re back. And for fun, since it’s the end of the year, we thought, well, why don’t we stream it on Google Hangout and on YouTube? And it’s working good so far. I love Google Hangout. Micah has no… Eric has no accessories today, but Micah has a Dr. Seuss hat.

[Fanfare sound effect plays]

Andrew: And we have sound effects, and I have glasses and a Santa hat, but the Santa hat is real.

Micah: The glasses are cool. They kind of pop out every time you move.

Eric: Move forward.

Andrew: It’s really high-tech, it’s cool. Google did a good job with this. So what we’re going to do, we have some news to catch up on today and we’re going to recall some MuggleCast Moments of the Year, and Eric has compiled the Top 7 Harry Potter Moments of 2012, and we’re going to talk about what we have to look forward to in 2013. And at the end of the show, Micah has an announcement which I am excited for. I can’t guess what it is, so this is very exciting. And…

Micah: I don’t even know what it is.

Andrew: [laughs] You’re going to shock the world. I think you’re going to profess your love for Eric and I. I think that’s what it is.

Micah: Well, that’s a given. I thought that was already known.

Eric: I’ve been waiting. I’ve been waiting for that.

Andrew: You do that at the end of every show. [laughs] So Micah, what is in the news this month, for the last time in 2012, for our seventh year?


News: First Seven Chapters of Pottermore Book 3 Released


Micah: Well, Pottermore is in the news, and not for bad reasons.

Eric: Oh.

Micah: I know that normally we like to dwell on Pottermore just a little bit. But the Prisoner of Azkaban book finally released – the first seven chapters, appropriately – and we got some new information from JK Rowling. A lot more than what I remember from the first set of chapters in Chamber of Secrets. And I could be wrong, but…

Andrew: Yeah. No, I think you’re right. And I figured they’re releasing more chapters in larger batches now because there are more chapters in Prisoner of Azkaban. That would make sense, right?

Micah: That makes sense.

Andrew: Yeah. And so, hopefully… I was going through it when it opened up, and I was surprised that there was seven because I kept going and going and it wasn’t ending, and I was like, oh, well this is nice. So, I guess in the future – maybe I’m thinking they’ll want to do four releases a year, four or five releases a year. So, with the bigger books that will mean more chapters per release.

Eric: Very much so. And that’s exciting. I mean, judging by what I heard of the content so far, it’s tremendous.

Andrew: Yeah, it’s not bad. I’m pulling up the breakdown right now that I did. We got a lot of new content from JK Rowling, which is what I’ve said time and time again on this show, and I think everybody is in agreement that’s one of the better features of Pottermore, is that we get new information related to the world thanks to JK Rowling.

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: She spoke about Aunt Marge, she spoke about the Knight Bus, she talked about [attempts to pronounce] Sir Cadogan… Cadogan?

Eric: I’ve always said Cadogan.

Andrew: Yeah, I think that sounds right. Professor Kettleburn, [laughs] which I forgot existed.

Eric: In case you were wondering about him, you know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: There’s some stuff.

Andrew: That may be the smallest thing she’s released.

Eric: The sleeper surprise.

Andrew: Right. And then finally Boggarts she released information on.

Eric: Yes.

Micah: You mean you don’t go to Pottermore just to collect the Chocolate Frog cards?

Andrew: [laughs] No, though I’m always clicking around the scenes to try to find the hidden stuff.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: And I like it because once your mouse is hovering near something, it starts doing the sound effects, so you get an idea of… that you’re getting close to something that you can pick up. But, okay, [laughs] you know how I used to preach the whole pets thing? Like, Pottermore should have…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: …pets, to get people to come back a lot. Now, I think JK Rowling needs to start dropping giant bombs in these new character profiles because for example: Aunt Marge, I was reading through that, and I was praying that she was going to reveal Aunt Marge was a lesbian.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Wouldn’t that have been exciting?

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: There would have been all these headlines in the news, “JK Rowling Outs Another Character,” and it would have brought more people into Pottermore! But, unfortunately, there wasn’t any real shockers about Aunt Marge, but I think she could have passed as a lesbian, right?

Eric: I was peeking through the Boggarts reveal kind of information, and I was surprised that she didn’t just admit that the monster under the bed, or monster in the closet that children fear, has something to do with the Boggart. I always drew that connection because the kid always thinks there’s something under the bed, or always thinks there’s something in the closet – I did when I was a kid – and I just always thought the Boggart was kind of reminiscent of that, or the wizard answer to that. But when I read, she didn’t seem to admit that at all. In fact, she said that they’re half alive and are only like poltergeists, and don’t exactly… it just didn’t seem to be at all what I thought.

Andrew: So, what were you expecting?

Eric: Well, I was expecting it to be… she said, “Muggles can’t see them.” But then that right there removes my theory, that…

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: …it’s like the monster under the bed. You know what I’m saying?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: But I guess in the way that they can’t see Dementors either.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: They can just feel their effects sometimes.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: I don’t know. I always just thought there was a distinct relation between the monster under the bed and Boggarts, but…

Micah: I’m just wondering how we got from Aunt Marge being a lesbian to Boggarts.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Well, it’s…

Micah: How did that transition occur?

Eric: It’s just me bringing it back around there, Micah. It’s just me bringing it.

Andrew: Yeah, Eric decided to take a serious approach to Pottermore.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Selina is joining us now, by the way. Hello, Selina.

Selina: Hello! Hi guys!

Andrew: Hi.

Eric: Selina, we got an email from you this morning…

Andrew: Could you just unplug your power?

Selina: Yup, just did. Is that better?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: We got an email from you this morning saying you had lost your voice.

Selina: No, you didn’t.

Eric: Yes, I did.

Selina: No, you didn’t.

Micah: Yeah, we did.

Eric: Yeah, Micah got it too.

Selina: From who?

Eric: It was from you!

Selina: No!

Micah: From October 22nd, I think.

Selina: Oh. [laughs]

Micah: I think it sent… it resent an old email.

Selina: Really?

Micah: Yeah.

Selina: That’s so random.

Andrew: I’m so confused.

Selina: Well, I haven’t, really.

Eric: I like your party hat.

Selina: Thank you! I’m looking for more stuff. This is so fun.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: And are you celebrating?

Eric: What are you celebrating?

[Prolonged silence]

Selina: Now I’m the king, the queen of…

Andrew: Well, I’m glad you have a camera now.

Selina: I’m sorry, I’m distracting you guys.

Andrew: [laughs] Oh no, it’s okay.

Selina: Yeah! I know, it’s so exciting.

Andrew: We were discussing…

Micah: And so…

Selina: That I’m actually on.

Micah: Selina… oh, I was just going to say…

[Prolonged silence]

[Micah laughs]

Selina: This live stuff is fun. [laughs]

Micah: [laughs] Go ahead.

Andrew: Go ahead, Micah. No, please.

[Prolonged silence]

Andrew: Are we all on a delay now or something? What happened?

[Selina laughs]

Micah: I must be lagging a bit here. No, I…

Selina: It’s my fault.

Micah: Yeah, I think so.

Eric: I think everything sounds… it’s Selina playing with all her toys.

Andrew: Yeah, stop having fun. Okay…

Eric: I’m sure we’re fine.

Andrew: Well, let’s try to get back on track here.

Eric: So…

Andrew: So, Pottermore. We also… like I said, we got some information on Professor Kettleburn. JK Rowling said:

“Kettleburn was a lovable if eccentric man and his continuing employment at the school was evidence of the great affection in which staff and students held him. He finished his career with only one arm and half a leg. Albus Dumbledore presented him with a full set of enchanted wooden limbs on his retirement, a gift that had to be replaced regularly since, because Kettleburn’s habit of visiting dragon sanctuaries in his spare time meant that his prosthetics were frequently set on fire.”

I thought that was pretty funny and kind of classic Rowling writing.

Eric: I agree. Why did Dumbledore give him the wooden limbs at the end of his career as a retirement gift? Wouldn’t you think that he’d give them to him as soon as he lost his limbs so that he could continue teaching in his former capacity?

Andrew: Yeah, maybe perhaps his… well, I think it was just… I think Kettleburn was just ready to leave anyway.

Eric: Like, “Ooh, you lost your leg? Here’s your leg.”

[Selina laughs]

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I think Kettleburn was just ready to leave anyway maybe, and he decided that that was his parting gift, Dumbledore’s parting gift to Kettleburn.

Eric: Yes, yes. Well, I remember in the book there’s a line that’s, “Mr. Kettleburn… Professor Kettleburn would like to spend time with his remaining limbs.” So, I always found that to be quite funny.

Andrew: [laughs] But in all seriousness, JK Rowling did talk about Aunt Marge’s love for bulldogs.

“Marge is a large and unpleasant woman whose main interest in life is breeding bulldogs. She believes in corporal punishment and plain speaking, which is what she calls being offensive. Marge is secretly in love with a neighbor called Colonel Fubster…”

Selina: Mustard? [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, I know.

“…who looks after her dogs when she is away. He will never marry her…”

And this is the part where I was like, “Oh, okay. Here comes the lesbian revelation.”

“He will never marry her, due to her truly horrible personality. This unrequited passion fuels a lot of her nasty behavior to other people.”

Selina: What does that have to do with a lesbian revelation?

Andrew: No, it doesn’t, but just before you came in I was saying that JK Rowling needs to drop major bombs in Pottermore. Because remember…

Selina: Yeah, make it interesting.

Andrew: Right. When she outed Dumbledore, I was in… we were in New York City and I went in a taxi cab and on the radio they were talking about Dumbledore being gay. [laughs]

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: She needs another big revelation like that.

Eric: Much so.

Selina: Yeah, that’s true. This isn’t that interesting. I mean, it’s great to know, but who cares about Kettleburn? Maybe that’s just me.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: I care about Kettleburn.

Selina: Okay, I’m sorry, Eric.

[Micah and Selina laugh]

Eric: He’s a sleeper hit. He’s going to be… at the end of this when Book 3 is done, we’re going to say, “You know what? Kettleburn was probably the most insightful character ever and we didn’t even know it. He didn’t even have any lines.”

Selina: Maybe we’re going to have a spinoff series.

Micah: I don’t think so.

Eric: [laughs] There’s going to be a…

Micah: How about Sir Cadogan, though? He was a pimp. He had three wives, seventeen children…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Wow.

Selina: I love it. He’s like a King of England.

Eric: See, I didn’t care for him in the book, but now this makes him more interesting to me.

Andrew: Why, because he had three wives? [laughs]

Eric: And seventeen kids. Yeah!

Selina: [laughs] Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And none of them are in the paintings, so I wonder what he did to estrange himself from all the rest of them that he should be alone on his pony. Did he love that pony more than he ever loved his wife and kids?

Micah: He’s not Aberforth, first of all.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: Secondly, and it says the pony doesn’t…

Eric: Oh. Well, Micah bringing the smack down!

Micah: It said the pony doesn’t like him very much.

Eric: Right. Unrequited love. Probably fools his personality, or feeds his personality.

Andrew: There’s still the kind of issue with Pottermore. There’s not much to do after you go through this stuff once. That’s going to be my new, fair approach to this, is saying that there’s not much to do when you go to do it more than once. You can go in and you can do duels and there’s the other games, but you can’t… there’s just… what else is there to happen?

Selina: Yeah, you’re right.

Eric: Maybe the trick is waiting like I have because I’m looking forward to… during this Christmas break season, I’m looking forward to completing – well, let’s say starting – Chamber of Secrets and then going to where we currently are in Prisoner of Azkaban because I haven’t done it yet. So, I’m actually looking forward to kind of spending maybe about… how long do you think it will take? Maybe twelve hours or so, tops?

[Prolonged silence]

Eric: Less?

Micah: Twelve minutes?

[Andrew laughs]

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: Twelve minutes?

Selina: Like, three hours?

Eric: I’m looking forward… at some point during Christmas break, I have to spend twelve minutes and get through Pottermore.

[Selina laughs]

Eric: So, I’m very… I’m looking forward to that.

Selina: See if you can find the time.

Eric: It’s my Christmas present to myself.

Andrew: Well, that’s very, very nice.

Micah: Well, I’ve actually done that over the course of the last couple of days, just exploring the end of Chamber of Secrets and then the next set of chapters of Prisoner of Azkaban, and there’s… as you said, Andrew, once you go through it the first time, I really don’t know why you’d go back. There’s no incentive for you to return. So, I think they have to work on that.

Andrew: Yeah, some people do the dueling, some people like the potion brewing. For me, personally, it’s not my type of thing. I’d rather cook in real life.

Selina: I know, it’s so dull. Yeah, you get something out of it, right?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah, calories.

[Andrew and Selina laugh]

Micah: Most people are in it for the new information, like you said at the beginning of the discussion.

Andrew: Yeah, right. Okay, so what else is going on in the news, Micah? Enough about Pottermore until next time.

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News: Universal Celebrates the Sale of 5 Million Butterbeers


Micah: Let’s talk about drinking.

Andrew: Ooh…

Selina: Yay.

Andrew: …my favorite subject. Especially during the holidays.

Micah: It’s true. But apparently the Wizarding World has sold their five-millionth Butterbeer, so they decided to give away free drinks in the park.

Eric: Hey!

Andrew: Yeah, it’s pretty impressive. Five million Butterbeers in only… what, park opened in July 2010? So, two and a half years.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: That’s pretty…

Eric: Five million is a lot. I’m sorry, that’s a lot.

Selina: How many people have been through the park, though? There must be more.

Andrew: I don’t know if they’ve said.

Eric: They’ve had… didn’t they have like a number guest? Like a one billionth guest got a free cup of as well?

Selina: That’s not that many, five million.

Eric: Not necessarily… not the same day.

Andrew: Billionth? Did you say billionth?

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I don’t think they’ve had a billion people. [laughs]

Eric: Well, if they’ve sold five million Butterbeers…

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: I figure everybody who has been to the park, unless they really hate sugar or sweets, would get a Butterbeer. You have to. It’s like a no-brainer.

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: So, I would assume… and then I wonder… because I’ve probably had total… we should go around the table and find out everybody’s answer, but I think I’ve probably had twenty Butterbeers at this point. So, what does this mean for… is it five million unique people? I guess not. It has to be five million actual Butterbeers.

Selina: You know, there’s five million people in Denmark. Just to put it in perspective.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: All of Denmark has flocked to the Wizarding World

Selina: We could all have had a Butterbeer. [laughs]

Andrew: Selina, I know you haven’t been…

Selina: I haven’t.

Andrew: …but Eric and Micah, how many Butterbeers do you think you’ve had?

Eric: Me, easily ten or fifteen.

Selina: Oh my God.

Micah: Maybe…

Eric: Which is reasonable. I’ve been there three or four separate times, so…

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: …if I have them two or three times each time I go…

Andrew: Right.

Eric: …maybe ten times.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Five.

Eric: But I will say probably…

Andrew: You’ve only had five, Micah?

Eric: Five.

Micah: I think so. I mean, I’ve only been there twice.

Andrew: Oh.

Selina: You had the Firewhiskey?

Micah: [laughs] Yeah. I went to the Hog’s Head, had the Hog’s Head Brew.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s okay. I like Strongbow. We’ve talked about this on the show before. They offer Strongbow in the park on tap, which I think is really great. I’ve had that a lot there. That is alcoholic. One day I’m actually going to…

Micah: Would they ever consider… I was going to say, would they ever consider making the Butterbeer alcoholic?

Andrew: I don’t think so because they like that same taste for everybody. I think that was their original concern, is that we want this to taste the same for everybody whether or not it’s the alcoholic version or not. So yeah, I think they… no, I don’t think you’ll see…at. But you can bring your own flask into the park, like this gift…

Micah: [laughs] Like some people.

Selina: Oh, that’s so cool!

Andrew: I was given this for Christmas, a Hypable flask, so my next Wizarding World trip I will be bringing this and pouring some Fireball Whiskey, I think, into the Butterbeer. That would be a good day.

Selina: You should just hold it up the whole podcast. You know, branding.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Oh, this is interesting. Here’s a perspective thing. So, I found an old article about the Universal Orlando’s first million Butterbeers, and so it sold its first million on January 6th, and again, a thousand lucky guests got free Butterbeer when they did that. So, that was one million Butterbeers at the beginning of last year, so they’ve essentially sold four million Butterbeers in two years. So, two million a year, and you can divide that by twelve to get how many Butterbeers they sell a month.

Selina: Let’s do the math!

Andrew: And then…

Eric: That is a h…red and sixty-six thousand Butterbeers a month.

Andrew: And then multiply five million by… how much do those things cos…Like six bucks, seven bucks?

Eric: Oh God. [laughs] How much money they’re making on…

Micah: That’s a l…of money.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Somebody did the estimate, the guys over at Inside the Magic. How much does it cost? Does anybody in the chat know, maybe?

Eric: A Butterbeer?

Andrew: By the way, if you are watching live on YouTube, you can add comments. It’s basically a chatroom. SuperNicki96…

Micah: Oh, there are people watching us?

Andrew: Yeah. Ha ha ha.

Micah: I thought we were just…

Eric: Oh, you didn’t tell us this! I would have put on clothes. No, I did.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: SuperNicki96 says:

“The Butterbeer at the ‘Studio Tour’ was horrible. Is it the same as the Orlando one?”

I think it’s the same thing. But I hear English people, they don’t like sweet stuff as much as Americans do, so maybe you’re just not accustomed to that sweeter taste.

Eric: We were born with it. Raised on it.

Andrew: Right. I know David Heyman does not like the sweets. I remember he mentioned that. He says he doesn’t like the Butterbeer because he doesn’t like how sweet it is. So, maybe that’s your problem. Nobody knows the price of the Butterbeer, but that’s okay. I think…

Eric: I’m pretty sure… isn’t it like three something for the regular and then five for the frozen? I could be wrong.

Andrew: Is it as cheap as… let me just Google it. Price of Butterbeer in Wizarding World…

Eric: [laughs] Google will know.

Andrew: It better know. I’m not going to slow the show down with this, but somebody must know. I don’t see it on here, actually. Okay, anyway, let’s move on.


News: Harry Potter on Facebook’s 2012 Most Read Book List


Andrew: I’ll get this next story, Micah. The Hunger Games… well, hold on. Facebook… now that it’s the end of the year, everybody is doing these end-of-year lists to reflect on the year that was, and I thought this was interesting. Facebook did a list of most read books, most watched movies, most this, most that, and the most read books of 2012 – The Hunger Games was number one, of course. Actually, it took up the top three spots. Then number four was Fifty Shades of Grey, then number five was Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone.

Selina: Oh, yay!

Andrew: Yeah, I don’t know…

Selina: That’s so nice!

Andrew: Yeah, it is, but I wonder how Facebook calculated this. I’m guessing it’s the number of people who added Harry Potter to their Facebook profile under books. That’s my best guess because I don’t know…

Selina: Maybe.

Eric: Yeah. Well they have apps, too, that are like…

[Selina laughs]

Eric: They want you to “Oh, get the book app and then nobody can see it on your feed, but you see it and you update it.” The Frappr Map was the same thing. Places I have visited in the world – I spent all this time putting it all in there, and then after Facebook changed I couldn’t find it anymore, but the app is still installed probably collecting my data and figuring out who I talk to. So, maybe they know through one of those features like the books that they’ve read, or maybe they’re hunting our statuses.

Selina: Yeah. Spying on us through our webcams.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I don’t think it’s… it’s not surprising, though, given that the movie came out this year, right? That that would be one of the most read books of the year.

Andrew: The Hunger Games?

Micah: Yeah.

Selina: What movie?

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: Oh.

Andrew: Well yeah, I mean The Hunger Games is… that’s been blowing up especially because of the movie. Fifty Shades of Grey we’ve talked about on the show before. I was just surprised that Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone would show up there.

Eric: Yeah, the first book, to think that people would even start with the first book, but…

Andrew: Well, I would hope people would start with the first book.

Eric: Well, I feel the film is so close to it that you don’t necessarily need to.

Andrew: Mmm.

Eric: But I don’t know.

Andrew: Unless you just want to read. But, by the way, I’ve looked at a lot of these end-of-the-year lists, and this one is the only one that Harry Potter is on, so… [laughs]

Eric: Oh.

Selina: Really?

Eric: [laughs] Well, thanks for that.

Andrew: Yeah, not to…

Eric: I’m glad you found it in order to mention it. Well, it could signal a trend. Maybe Harry Potter is actually…

Andrew: Coming back.

Eric: …being introduced to a new generation of people.

Andrew: Yeah. No, definitely. I don’t see why not. I mean, Pottermore certainly helps in that case with the ebooks. I mean, the ebooks were introduced this year, right? Did they come out… yeah, they came out this year.

Eric: Yeah, they came out this year.

Selina: Yeah, this year.

Andrew: In March. Or April. Okay, do you want to get the next story, Micah? Or shall I?

Eric: Hey guys, check it out…

Micah: I’ll just read the headline.

Andrew: Okay.

Eric: Check it out, guys. I’m Daniel Radcliffe.

Andrew: Ha, yes, you are referring to…

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: …his new film Horns. [laughs] Well done.

Selina: Wow, what a nice transition.

Eric: I’m keeping this. I’m keeping these.

Micah: Well, let’s talk about… oh, I don’t even think that’s a story, i…t?

Eric: No, that’s not a story.

Andrew: What, Horns?

Micah: Yeah, I’m looking through the document here. But I’ll read the headline and then you guys can talk about it.


News: Harry Potter Cast Reunite for Theme Park Filming


Micah: Rupert Grint’s rep confirms he’s back as Ron for Harry Potter theme park filming.

Andrew: Yes.

Selina: Yay!

Andrew: So, there’s been a lot of craziness in the entertainment world because there was an article from The Sun that said that Helena Bonham Carter and other cast members are back at Leavesden Studios filming a, quote, “new” or “ninth” Harry Potter movie, depending on what sleazy entertainment website you read.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: You read either “new Harry Potter movie” or “ninth Harry Potter movie.” Of course it’s a good headline, but the truth is… I mean, there’s no confirmation, and nob… is certainly denying a new Harry Potter movie, but the logical explanation for this filming is that they’re filming for the Wizarding World expansion in Orlando, which is supposed to be Diagon Alley and the Gringotts thrill ride. And so, there was… I think it was SnitchSeeker who reached … to Rupert Grint’s reps and they said, “Yes, he is filming at Leavesden for a Harry Potter related”, but they wouldn’t say what it was. I mean, I’m surprised they even confirmed it. Universal is probably a little pissed off that…

Micah: It’s probably the next…lm, right? I mean…

Andrew: [laughs] Right…i>Harry Potter 9.

Selina: [laughs] Of course.

Andrew: So… and now you start putting the pieces together, while Rupert is filming and Helena Bonham Carter is filming. So, this seems to lend to the theory that they are actually doing a Gringotts thrill ride. And like with “Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey” in Orlando, this will probably be something where you’ll see scenes throughout the ride.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: If you go on “Forbidden Journey” right now, you see the the trio and at the end you see a huge group of people. So, who knows how many cast members are actually involved with this. But what do you guys think of this?

Eric: I thought it was…

Selina: I thought it was so funny that – sorry – I thought it was so funny that people were actually saying, “Ninth Harry Potter film.” Of course it’s not a ninth Harry Potter film they’re filming in secret. If they ever did something like that it would just blow up everywhere, you know?

Eric: Well, and when they said, “The ninth Harry Potter film,” the first thought going through my head is, “Why is Helena Bonham Carter going to be in it?” You know?

[Selina laughs]

Eric: Well, a) if it’s a continuation, obviously she’s dead, but b) in general, if you’re going to make any new Harry Potter film at all, Helena Bonham Carter is not the actress you’d think would show up for it, to record.

Selina: It’s like missing moments between Ron and Bellatrix. [laughs] I mean, duh.

Eric: That’s the thing! So, Rupert Grint was on and I’m like…

Selina: They’re filming a fanfic.

Eric: No, well then, once we thought about, “Oh, the Gringotts scene. That makes sense.” Because they have to impersonate Bellatrix to get into the vault…

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: …and Ron has a big moment in front of the dragon. So yeah, very clearly, it makes total sense based on the casting call, or whoever has been showing up, that it would be a Gringotts scene. Because I don’t think Bellatrix shared a whole lot of screen time with anybody else.

Andrew: But it was…

Micah: Is it just me, or… I mean, I don’t really see that as being newsworthy. I get why it’s news, but they’re filming something that not everybody is going to end up seeing, at the end of the day.

Eric: Well, wasn’t it The Guardian, or somebody? Because I think I read it first on The Guardian, and I remember The Guardian being like a tabloid over there, just reaching for news at times.

Andrew: Yeah. Well…

Selina: No, The Guardian… no.

Eric: No?

Andrew: They can be hit-or-miss, right? They can come up with…

Selina: No, they’re pretty big news – they’re one of the main newspapers in the UK.

Andrew: Okay.

Selina: So, I’d say they’re pretty reliable.

Eric: I was mistaken. But again, it just got blown up out of proportion. “Ninth Harry Potter film.” Somebody saw that gem of a news story…

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: …and was just like, “We can run with this.” And advertising dollars were made and people were confused.

Micah: I just feel like it’s stretching for news.

Andrew: Well, no, I disagree because they haven’t… they’re filming at Leavesden Studios, which is really cool, and they haven’t been back there since filming Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. So, I don’t know. No? It doesn’t excite you, Micah? It excites me.

Micah: Nope.

Andrew: Wow, what’s wrong with you? Where’s your holiday spirit?

Micah: That’s got nothing to do with holiday spirit! [laughs]

Andrew: Yes, it does! You’re like, “Rahh, this isn’t news!” This is the biggest story we have right now!

[Andrew, Micah, and Selina laugh]

Micah: Aside from Marge being a lesbian.

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, except for that. When is that happening? I think…

Micah: Speaking of…

Andrew: I think it’s cool.

Micah: Yeah, yeah.

Andrew: No, let’s dwell on it more. It’s huge news.

Micah: Let’s dwell on it? Okay.

Andrew: Nah, go ahead, go ahead.

Micah: Come on, what do you want to talk about?

Andrew: No, there’s nothing else to say. But I think it is exciting. I genuinely think it’s exciting.

[Micah laughs]

Selina: I think it’s exciting, and I don’t even get to see it, probably, because I don’t get to go over there. But it’s still fun. It’s fun that the actors are still semi-involved with some Harry Potter related stuff, you know? In terms of the fandom, I think that’s kind of nice, that Rupert Grint still gets to be Ron for a little while longer.

Andrew: Yeah. Right, right, right. I mean, yeah. And remember when it was big news when “Oh, they reshot the Harry Potter epilogue. They’re going back to Hogwarts!”

Selina: Yeah, yeah. Going back to Hogwarts. [laughs]

Andrew: By the way, we know this for sure is for the theme park because when I emailed Warner Bros. for a comment, they passed me on to Universal. [laughs] So, that kind of gave it away.

Selina: [laughs] Yeah.

Micah: Oops.

Andrew: Yeah. But whatever, so…

Micah: What are people in the chat saying about this?

Andrew: They’re agreeing with you. They’re saying… Tyler says Micah is being a grinch.

Selina: Awww.

Eric: I just read Micah’s big hat is distracting. That’s what I read.

Selina: I like it.

Andrew: Oh yeah, but Butterbeer is three dollars. I can’t believe that. I thought it was more. monkey bear wrote that. Thank you, monkey bear.

Eric: monkey bear, I heard also the souvenir cup runs ten dollars.

Andrew: Ten, yeah.

Eric: According to monkeybear.

Andrew: But if you just buy one of those, then I think the refills are three bucks. So…

Eric: Huh.

Andrew: StarkidTurner said:

“Eric is so pretty.”

Selina: [laughs] Awww.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: [unintelligible]

Eric: Kaylyn Smith says:

“Oh my God, horns.”

Selina: She gets your joke.

Micah: Wrong holiday. I’m the grinch, but yet Eric is wearing horns for Christmas.

Eric: Yeah, I actually looked into Horns, like the plot. I kind of read a summary, and it seems quite terrifying and it’s going to be the film that really scares us, I think, about Daniel Radcliffe. Even in The Woman In Black I could still see him as kind of good in acting and innocent, but Horns is some dark S-H-U-T.

Selina: But he already did Equus, so I think we’re all pretty familiar with his darkness.

Eric: That’s true. Well, how many people have seen Equus? There was never an HBO presents a live performance of Equus, right? So unless you saw it live, Equus slipped, I think, under your radar.

Selina: That’s true.

Micah: Are you transitioning into the next story?

Eric: No. Is there a next story?

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News: Daniel Radcliffe Joins Google+


Andrew: Well, there is some weird social networking news. Go ahead, Micah. Read the headline again.

Micah: One sec.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Dan Radcliffe officially joins Google+ to stop impostors on Twitter and Facebook.

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: I think Micah is under the influence of something.

Eric: Wasn’t this JK Rowling’s reason…

Andrew: Too much eggnog?

Micah: Yup.

Eric: Wasn’t this JK Rowling’s reason for getting on Twitter? Because people were pretending to be her and she…

Andrew: Right.

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: This is so weird to me. Dan Radcliffe joins Google+, like the lamest social network out there right now. By the way, this Google Hangout brought to you by Google+, but that’s besides the point.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Thank you, Google!

Andrew: Yeah. I actually… I love Google+ for the Google Hangout feature. But he said:

“This has mainly come about because of the amount of people that I meet who tell me that they have contacted me on Twitter or Facebook when I know that’s impossible because I don’t belong to either one of those sites. Now that I have this [Google+] page, there will be an outlet for accurate information and hopefully people will not waste their time giving credence to people pretending to be me.”

Here’s what bothers me: he’s joining Google+ to thwart the impostors on Twitter and Facebook. How is that going to work? You can still make a fake Dan Radcliffe Twitter or fake Dan Radcliffe Facebook.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: I don’t really care.

Andrew: I don’t get it.

Micah: [laughs] Sorry.

Andrew: And I wrote that.

Micah: I agree with you, though.

Andrew: I just think it’s silly.

Micah: Well, what…

Selina: Yeah, it’s like he doesn’t understand how it works or his publicist or whoever is doing this.

Andrew: Yeah. And I remember one time Dan Radcliffe said, “I don’t do Twitter because I couldn’t keep up with it.” It’s like, “Well, Dan, you don’t have to look at your @replies. I mean, sorry, you’re not going to be bigger than Lady Gaga, and Lady Gaga seems to handle it just fine.”

Selina: But then again, there are some stars who just… they don’t want to get into it, so maybe it’s like a protest.

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: It’s like, “Screw your Twitter and your Facebook, I have Google+.” Which nobody uses. I don’t know.

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: Maybe he’s sponsored by them? I have no idea.

Andrew: Yeah, maybe. Google could have paid him to do a Google+ account.

Selina: Who knows.

Andrew: That’s always possible.

Micah: But what’s… even if he was to go and get Facebook or Twitter, what’s the value if you don’t use it? I mean, look at JK Rowling.

[Selina laughs]

Micah: She doesn’t really actively use Twitter. I’m serious! I don’t…

Andrew: The value is that when you Google “Dan Radcliffe Twitter” you’ll find a real Twitter account. Whereas now if you Google that, you’ll probably just find fake accounts.

Eric: Right. The value is that we know JK Rowling is that boring instead of…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: …being the JK Rowling who tweets every day and we’re like following her.

Micah: Well, didn’t she recently join Facebook too?

Andrew: Yeah, she has an official Facebook. But again it’s not run by her, I think. But the advantage of Dan Radcliffe having a Google+ account is that it is nice where there is a source for reputable information. I mean, that’s true. That’s valid. So, that’s the good part about it, but everything else just totally doesn’t make sense about it. He has some nice stuff on here. He’s got some pictures from various projects. It’s been updated plenty so far.

Eric: Speaking of impersonating celebrities, tdsporchiarayemi says:

“Hi, I am Selena Gomez.”

Selina: Enough of the Selena Gomez.

Eric: Yes, we have Selena Gomez in the chat.

Selina: Yeah, bane of my existence.

Andrew: And what else is going on in the news, Micah?

Micah: We did have an ask out for Dan to join us in the Hangout, but that didn’t happen.

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: [in a bad British accent] He wouldn’t join us. Sorry mate, got something else going on.


Harry Potter: Page to Screen Video Explaining $1,000 Price Tag Released


Micah: All right. Final bit of news here, Harry Potter Page to Screen: The Complete Filmmaking Journey video was released and it explains the $1,000 price tag [laughs] associated with it.

Eric: In your opinion, does it explain it or does it explain it away?

Selina: It’s ridiculous.

Eric: A thousand dollars.

Selina: It’s completely… like these prices are getting ludicrous.

Andrew Yeah, we all…

Micah: Is this the…

Andrew: We all remember the Harry Potter – what is it called? – Wizard’s Collection?

Micah: Yup.

Andrew: That was, what, 500 bucks? Something like that? And to top that, here’s something that retails for a thousand dollars. Now, this does look pretty cool. It comes… we all remember Harry Potter: Page to Screen, the filmmaking book. I think, Micah, you have it, right?

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Me too.

Andrew: That was good.

Eric: I have it.

Andrew: Okay. It’s good, right?

Micah: I can grab it right now. It’s right behind me on the bookshelf somewhere.

Andrew: It’s good, right? Good book?

Micah: Yeah. Hold on.

Andrew: Okay. So, then in this set they added six volumes, including books on graphic design, creatures, costumes, special effects – and this, I thought, was cool – a book of the paintings of Hogwarts.

Selina: Mhm.

Andrew: Like, all of the paintings within Hogwarts. So, it’s neat stuff.

Selina: Ooh, did you… I don’t know if you guys have seen those at your… at any of the exhibitions – your exhibitions – but at the Leavesden Studios when you go on the tour, there’s an entire section full of paintings. Like, there’s a whole wall that’s just…

Andrew: Oh, cool.

Selina: It’s massive and there’s all these different paintings, and I specifically remember because there’s a painting with the name “Selina” on it, and I’m like…

[Andrew laughs]

Selina: …”My name is in the story, kind of!” But yeah, no, it’s really cool. So, you get to see them all really up close, so it’s cool you get to see that in there too.

Andrew: Yeah, the problem is just that it’s a thousand dollars.

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: I mean, this isn’t for anybody.

Selina: Yeah. You might as well just go to the studios, no matter where you are in the world.

Eric: They should have gone the free information route and put it on a wiki or something.

Selina: Or Pottermore.

Eric: Or Pottermore. I mean…

Andrew: Micah, ho…it up again.

[Prolonged silence]

Andrew: I turned on… switched to your camera. The…we go. Look at that.

Eric: Which camera, man? Oh.

Andrew: It’s so I can…

Micah: And this i…ow much it weighs.

[Heavy thud in the background]

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: I don’t know if that… [laughs] that was…
…>Eric: Micah was j… crushing small animals…

[Micah and Selina lau…

Andrew: So yeah, a thousand dollars for this baby, and three thousand copies worldwide. So, Warner Bros. is kind of taking the limited edition approach: high price, limited. They figure they can sell three thousand of these, and if they can, great. But I won’t be buying. Did MuggleNet try to get a review copy? That’s what I would have done. A three-thousand dollar product.

[Prolonged silence]

Andrew: No comment? Nobody knows?

Eric: It’s on its way to me.

Andrew: [laughs] It’s on its way. Under lock and key, so nobody can steal it from the UPS man.

Eric: [laughs] Yeah.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Make a quick grand off of it.

Eric: Oh my gosh.

Micah: I can only imagine what that poor person, carrying some of this stuff, feels like afterwards.

Eric: That’s the thing, I…

Selina: I wonder how many cop… they’re going to sell?

Andrew: By the way, LivSirius said $299 for a Wizard’s Collection at Costco right now. That’s the complete box set. Costco is only in America though, I think, so…

Eric: Okay. I still own most …what I’m getting in that collection, though.

Andrew: And we actually did get a comment from Dan Radcliffe about joining today and he said, “Sorry, pen and paper are my priority at the moment.”

[Everyone laughs]

Selina: That’s nice of him to let us know.

Micah: You know what’s really cool?

Andrew: Hats off to Jón for putting that line in the chat.


Podcast Plugs


Micah: Really cool is I posted that we were doing a show right now on MuggleNet, and then somebody else posted the fact that we were… that Alohomora! is doing a live show…

[Andrew laughs]

Selina Oh no.

Micah: …on Friday December 28th.

Andrew: Oh.

Selina: Oh, that’s okay.

Micah: So, really appreciate that.

Eric: Oh, hey…

Andrew: I thought you meant right now.

Micah: No, that would probably have been even worse.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: But…

Andrew: I don’t get it, where was that posted? What are you saying? In the MuggleNet chat?

Micah: [laughs] No, on the MuggleNet site.

Andrew: Oh. Awesome.

Micah: So, we just got… what do you even call that?

Eric: [laughs] Trolled?

Micah: Post bombed?

Andrew: Trolled?

Eric: [laughs] Post bombed?

[Micah laughs]

Eric: Yeah, no, no, no, I was supposed to announce that on this show, actually. I was asked by the Alohomora! team to announce their live show, which for details you can go on the MuggleNet site and look under the post announcing this post.

Micah: No, you can’t! Forget that now! [laughs]

Eric: You removed it? You removed it?

Micah: No, I didn’t.

Eric: Oh.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: I’m not that much of a grinch.

Andrew: Man, Micah’s loose.

Selina: [laughs] I know!

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Micah is loose.

Selina: It’s uncut.

Andrew: Speaking of plugs, I’ve been meaning to talk about this on MuggleCast, I have been… I have a revelation to tell everybody, this is my big announcement: I have been living a secret double life as a weekly podcaster.

Selina: What?

Andrew: Yeah, I know. Can you believe it? [laughs]

Selina: No! [laughs]

Andrew: From MuggleCast – the good old days with MuggleCast. I’m doing a show with my friend Mason now – it used to be with Ben, now it’s with Mason – called HYPE. And if you miss the weekly…

Micah: It’s a good show.

Andrew: Thank you, Micah. We had Micah on recently, and it was fun having him on. HYPEPodcast.com and we do it weekly. Now, here’s the scary part: we are charging for it. It’s $3.99 a month, but the reason we’re doing that is so we can make sure we get it out weekly. The reason we don’t do MuggleCast as often anymore is because we all have other things going on, but… so by charging for it…

Micah: It’s about time we made money off of podcasts.

Andrew: [laughs] I’m still waiting for iTunes to let us charge for podcasts. That’ll be the day. [laughs]

Selina: True.

Andrew: Weekly MuggleCasts as soon as we can start charging 99 cents per episode. That would be great. So, visit HYPEPodcast.com. There’s free samples of the show on there if you want to give it a try before you subscribe, and you can cancel anytime. And we have a lot of fun on there, talking about general entertainment and also just our lives in general.

[Applause sound effect plays]

Andrew: It’s a good time.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Thank you. That is the audience reacting to every episode because they applaud…

Micah: So, are we just plugging other podcasts here? Is that what we’re doing?

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: Well, hey, we always do it but we never plug HYPE, so…

Micah: That’s true.

Andrew: Whatever. Back off. What do you want to plug?

Micah: We do have three other hosts with another podcast…

Selina: Considering we have three people on here, yeah, on another show.

Andrew: Go for it, go for it. You guys plug it every episode. Go ahead. Talk about Game of…

Micah: Well, we haven’t done an episode in, like, two months.

Andrew: [laughs] Oh, okay.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: So, what do you want to plug?

Micah: Who’s doing the plug?

Selina: GOO!

Micah: I’m doing it? GOO?

Eric: Welcome to our next episode of Game of Owns…

[Micah and Selina laugh]

Eric: Eric, Micah, Selina are here! We are here, and we’re kicking ass and wearing pirate hats and it’s awesome.

Micah: You can’t say that on MuggleCast, can you?

Eric: Oh, but I can on Game of Owns.

Selina: And that’s not the first time.

Eric: No. Okay, so we’re just going to plug Game of Owns. I’m not doing it. I just intro-ed it.

Micah: You just did.

Andrew: Okay. Well, good job, guys. TAB8811…

Selina: [laughs] Not that good at this.

Andrew: …in the comments said that she loves HYPE. She says it’s fun, so thank you for that. Oh, and yes, somebody referenced WhoHype.

Selina: Oh, WhoHype! I was just on an episode of that.

Andrew: There will be a special episode of WhoHype coming up because of the Doctor Who Christmas special.

Eric: Ooh, with Ellie Darcey-Alden.

Andrew: Now look, the reason we’re sitting here shamelessly plugging our podcasts is because Harry Potter, it’s sort of dwindling a little bit, and we’re interested in getting into other podcasts. So, if you like listening to MuggleCast, I can assure you you’re going to like talking about these other ones that we talk about.


Listener Tweets: Favorite MuggleCast Moments of 2012


Anyway, we also wanted to reflect on the year that was with MuggleCast. We had out a good amount of episodes. I’m going to look through the @replys here. We asked on Twitter, people who follow us on Twitter, Twitter.com/MuggleCast, what was your favorite MuggleCast moment of the year? Let’s see here. Chillin43 said:

“Episode 250: Laura getting news by toucan.”

I’m happy to report Laura, as of two days ago, is now back in the United States of America.

Micah: Permanently?

Andrew: Yes. Bring out the applause sound effects for that. She’s back in the US. Isn’t that nice?

[Applause sound effect plays]

Andrew: So, maybe we’ll force her on to a MuggleCast or two in the future.

[Dog barks in the background]

Andrew: My dog says… no.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Andrew: Ani Sharmin says:

“Episode 250: Micah calls JKR’s new book the New Testament and Ben says you’ve been talking about it for half an hour despite little info.”

Oh, that sounds like Ben, complaining about us talking too much on a Harry Potter podcast.

Micah: I called it the New Testament?

Andrew: I think so.

Eric: Well, according to that. Episode 250 was apparently a hit! That’s the second person…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …who said, “Hey, 250, favorite episode.”

Andrew: We got a lot of comments about the Live at LeakyCon. Angie Brewer said:

“Watching live at LeakyCon and giving Micah a birthday card.”

We all remember that.

Selina: Oh, yeah! That was nice.

Micah: That was nice.

Eric: Do you still have it? Where is it?

Micah: I do. Hold on, I might have it here.

Selina: Oh, the effects didn’t move. This is weird.

Eric: It’s like a spectre Micah.

Selina: Like a faceless man.

Andrew: MuggleNet’s Keith also said the live birthday wish to Micah at LeakyCon. Terrance, our friend Terrance from Hogwarts Radio, said:

“Live LeakyCon show where @sims says, ‘This chair is for every MuggleCaster who has died.'”

[Everyone laughs]

Selina: Oh, yeah.

Micah: Which thankfully is none of us.

Eric: Yes.

Micah: Just so people know.

Andrew: Yeah. And yeah, so that’s that.

Micah: What was your favorite moment?

Andrew: I don’t know. I’d have to look back through the…

Micah: Of all the episodes we did this year.

< ...b>Andrew: I know.

[Micah and Selina laugh]

Selina: All five of them.

Andrew: If I had a chance to skip through, then that would be helpful and remind myself. But anybody in the chat who has other moments, feel free to shout them out and we’ll read them on the show. It’s hard to remember sometimes…

Selina: Hmmm.

Andrew: …things that …pen, but I think we had another good year.

Selina: I liked it before Casual Vacancy came out, and we were all super excited for it.

Andrew: Oh, yeah.

Selina: And then it came out, and we weren’t really.

Andrew: This was…

Selina: But before, it was fun.

Andrew: … Well, I was looking forward to big midnight release parties.

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: I know I remember talking about that a lot, and that didn’t happen. So, yeah. Okay, so…

Selina: But the excitement, they can never take that away from us.

Andrew: Never! You will never take our excitement!


Top Seven Harry Potter Moments of 2012


Andrew: Okay, now it’s time for the top seven moments…

Eric: Woo!

Andrew: Harry Potter moments of 2012.

Selina: Aww.

Andrew: Led by Eric.

Eric: Yes, somebody in the YouTube comments just said, “It is not dwindling!” Unforgivable Imperius, that was. But yeah, it just proves… okay, so we were able to find the top seven moments of 2012. There were moments in Harry Potter history that happened this year, and these are the top seven. And I must admit I had help with this. The MuggleNet news interns – Veronica, Claire, Jessica, and Laura – helped with picking out stories, and I arranged them into just a general top seven. I wouldn’t say that we can… maybe we can arrange them afterwards as to what’s the biggest, but essentially here are the top seven biggest stories and this includes… some of these stories have multiple dates. But the first one does not. The first one is the beginning of January, January 6th. Rotten Tomatoes awarded a Golden Tomato to Deathly Hallows: Part 2, calling it the best-reviewed film of the year. The reason this is a top moment for me is because it signaled the last time that Deathly Hallows: Part 2 would receive any honor at all. [laughs]

Selina: Aww.

Eric: But also, it’s a big deal, the fact that a Harry Potter film gets Best Reviewed. I mean, especially if you are a book purist, or if you’re not a book purist, you had different feelings, like the Harry/Voldemort face merge, that I think would have caused you to review the film negatively. And yet, it scored Best Reviewed and it got a Golden Tomato from Rotten Tomatoes. So…

[Micah laughs]

Eric: …I think it’s… furthermore, I see Rotten Tomatoes…

[Applause sound effect plays]

Eric: Thank you. Furthermore, Rotten Tomatoes is being used, literally everywhere now, to determine how good a movie is. I’m seeing it on…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …applications. You can attest to this, Andrew.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: It just seems like everybody gives a damn about the Tomato Rating these days.

Andrew: Yeah, because there’s so many reviews online these days, it’s like, well how do I decide… what is the general consensus here? And there’s two sites for that: Rotten Tomatoes and then Metacritic, but Rotten Tomatoes is much more popular, I think. And yeah, so it is a good honor. That’s a good choice for…

Eric: It’s more fun, right? With the squishy tomatoes and you get to…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …throw tomatoes at each other. So, people…

Andrew: Sure. Well, I’ve never done that part, but yeah.

Eric: People like playing with food. But our second top moment then is later that month – and the subsequent month, so January and February – the Academy Awards nominations come out. Now, remember, at the beginning of the year there was this big Deathly Hallows push. Warner Bros. released for-your-consideration videos, and the stars and the producers and the directors were all talking about how important it would be for Harry Potter to achieve an Oscar, and that they were willing to submit for-your-consideration. Well, in the end, on January 24th, it was revealed that Potter secured only three nominations, which was far less than they were hoping for. I believe they were all technical nominations, and then the following month, February 26th, Harry Potter failed to receive an Oscar, and this is…

[Andrew fake sobs]

Eric: So, a few dates the Harry Potter

Selina: So lame.

Eric: Maybe this is why they’re doing a ninth film, guys, because…

[Andrew and Selina laugh]

Selina: Another chance.

Andrew: Give it another chance.

Eric: But really… so, the Harry Potter series, as of February 24th – this isn’t necessarily a happy top moment of the year, but I’d say it’s pretty definitive…

Selina: Worth noting, I think.

Eric: …that Harry Potter will not receive an Oscar. What do you guys think?

Selina: It’s definitely worth noting because that was… I still think that’s ridiculous.

Andrew: Yeah, and we all remembered…

Selina: Because it’s such a good film.

Andrew: …WB’s huge marketing campaign. I still remember the billboards. I was thinking about that recently because now their big push is The Dark Knight and they’re doing the same thing as they did last year, because both films came out in July. Now they’re pushing The Dark Knight Rises DVD, but also…

[Gong sound effect plays]

Andrew: …doing the Oscar campaigning…

[Micah and Selina laugh]

Andrew: …in the same exact billboard ad. At least in Holly…d.

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: But yeah, it was a shame because they released that nice book, that for-your-consideration Harry Potter book. I can’t believe that was the beginning of this year. It feels like so much longer ago.

Selina: It’s just ridiculous because not only could you make the argument that the last film should receive some kind of summarizing honor for all of the films, like Lord of the Rings did, and even if you didn’t believe that I think that the last film was one of the best ones the series has done. So, I think it’s silly that it didn’t at least get nominated for Best Picture. Did it? It didn’t, did it?

Andrew: No.

Selina: Okay.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: crystilflower999 said the ninth film’s working title is Harry Potter and the Golden Oscar.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Andrew: I think that’s a good idea.

Eric: Do you think Hollywood would take the hint? Do you think… [laughs]

Andrew: Hopefully.

Eric: Yea…

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. [laughs] We’re only doing this because we needed the Oscar.

Micah: I know we touched on this some, but I was really surprised that they didn’t recognize the series in any way. I think Selina touched on this a little bit.

Selina: Yeah.

Micah: For everything that it had done. I mean, you’re talking about – and I know Bond may have passed since the new movie that came out, but at the time – the highest-grossing franchise ever.

Eric: Yeah, in eight films.

Micah: So, how do you not recognize that? In eight films.

Eric: And Bond has done 23 films.

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: It was tremendous, absolutely tremendous. What Harry Potter has done for the economy… [laughs]

Selina: [laughs] If nothing else.

Eric: The fiscal cliff would have been six months ago if not for Harry Potter. But no, I’m just saying in general you’re right. Lesser… I don’t want to say lesser awards shows, I don’t want to get offended – or offend people – but other awards shows managed to take some time and award Harry Potter. When I was going through this, our upcoming MuggleNet year in review, looking for these stories, I saw all these little different awards that Rupert Grint accepted. Even Chris Columbus picked up an award for, or from, the American Film Institute on behalf of the Harry Potter cast. That all happened this year. There’s still these little awards, little tributes that happened, but I think what… the biggest thing about this story was that the Oscars, the Academy itself, did not care, and they did not do such a thing. They ignored this great British achievement.

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: They’re produced by Warner Bros., which is an American film, so that’s the other thing. Even though there are so many British people in it, and Lord knows the Harry Potter films have won a lot of BAFTAs, I think. I don’t think I’m mistaken in saying that. But it would have been nice for the Academy, who we still hold as the Hollywood authority, to have given some kind of award or, as you say, even a tribute to Potter.

Micah: Yup.

Andrew: Breaks my heart. Breaks my heart.

Eric: And then, onto our news story. This could actually be argued as the top news story of the year.

Andrew: Ooh.

Eric: This is… for those of you who are counting, for those of you who are keeping track, this is number three of our top seven moments of the year. And it’s multiple moments condensed into one: The Casual Vacancy by JK Rowling.

Selina: Yay.

Andrew: Well, it’s important because it was JK Rowling’s first book post-Harry Potter.

Eric: Agreed. And they even attempted to market it in a very exciting way, I think, based on the tapered release of the title and the book and the date. And also, how little we knew about it for the longest time.

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: Yeah, there was a lot of mystery about it, and in the end, there probably shouldn’t have been…

[Andrew sniggers]

Selina: …because it wasn’t a mystery book, you know? Not because it was… no, no! [laughs]

Andrew: Well, you know…

Selina: But just because it sent the wrong… it gave the wrong idea.

Andrew: They played down the expectations from the beginning. They were saying it doesn’t matter, we’re not going to compare sales numbers to Harry Potter, because it was Little, Brown. This is the first time JK Rowling has worked with Little, Brown as well. She previously worked in the US with Scholastic for all the Harry Potter books.

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: It was Bloomsbury in the UK, but for Casual Vacancy it was Little, Brown worldwide. And they said, we’re not expecting JK Rowling… she has no pressure to do particular sales numbers.

[Cash register sound effect plays]

Andrew: But I’m sure they were expecting it to be a big success…

[Cash register sound effect plays]

Andrew: …and I think [laughs] by their standards, this was a great success because honestly, it’s hard to sell a book these days, and Little, Brown, probably their last big success was probably Twilight. [laughs] So, they were looking forward to Casual Vacancy and they got it.

Eric: I had no idea that Little, Brown did Twilight.

Selina: No, I was just going to say.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s part of the reason why JK Rowling went with Little, Brown. Weren’t you aware of that? She said…

Eric: No, I was completely unaware of that.

Andrew: She said, “I love Twilight and this is going to be my publisher now.” [laughs]

Eric: I feel like you’re making a joke.

Andrew: “Screw you, Scholastic. Get out of here. You didn’t do good enough for me.” No, JK Rowling had no attachment to Twilight.

Eric: So, running through the dates here again – this is still The Casual Vacancy but we found the title, and the release date, and the website, were launched on March 12th, and then it was released – the book itself was released – on September 27th. So, we had about six months to really get into the idea of the new JK Rowling book. October 17th, then, 20 days after the book was released, JK Rowling toured and arrived in New York City. Micah and I got to see her live, which… I just thought it was important to include because it was the first time she came to the city since… was it Radio City in 2008? Or 2007? Was it, Micah?

Micah: No, she was in…

Andrew: It was 2007.

Micah: Wasn’t she at Carnegie Hall after that?

Eric: Oh, Carnegie Hall. Yeah, well, Radio City was first but Carnegie Hall was, like, 2007. That was where she outed Dumbledore.

Andrew: Right. Radio City was 2006.

Eric: Yeah, so 2006, 2007. So, it’s the first time in five years that she toured and, again, The Casual Vacancy, it’s her first book post-Potter so there was five years where she really didn’t do anything public.

Micah: I’m sure she has been to New York in between, at some point.

Andrew: How do you know?

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: How do you know that, Micah?

Micah: Wait, what about the lawsuit? She was in New York for that.

[Andrew laughs]

Selina: Oh, the big events!

Andrew: Right, that was quite the vacation.

Eric: I wonder if the camels were a big draw for her.

Selina: Oh, cross-podcast reference. I love it.

Eric: Yeah, wow. No, it’s just “what’s on in New York right now” reference.

Micah: You’ve got to keep it to goats on MuggleCast and then…

Selina: Yeah.

Micah: …camels on Game of Owns…

Andrew: And, this is just in, in 2…, she is returning to Radio City to out another character: Aunt Marge as a lesbian, and…

[Micah laughs]

Selina: Yay!

Eric: Y…re really pushing for that. You should send her an envelope that says “For your consideration”…

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Eric: …and on the i…de it has Aunt Marge and then like…

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: All these artistic pic…es of Aunt Marge.

Eric: Yeah.

[Selina laughs]

Eric: “For your consideration.” Her and Rosie O’Donnell.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Okay, enough of that. That’s very unprofessional.

Micah: What moment are we on?

Eric: Okay, so still the third moment but at the end of this year, twenty days ago, December 3rd, the BBC announced that they are turning The Casual Vacancy into…

Andrew: Oh, yeah!

Selina: Oh, yeah!

And…: Why didn’t we talk about this yet?!

Selina: We should talk about this! [laughs]

Andrew: I missed this.

Selina: That’s crazy.

Andrew: Okay, yeah. Well, let’s talk about that. That was a news item in and of itself. So… well, here’s what bothered me about that. BBC, of course… okay, Casual Vacancy TV show, that’s cool. But during interviews while she was promoting The Casual Vacancy, JK Rowling was saying, “No, I can’t see The Casual Vacancy as a movie. That seems silly. I can’t… for multiple reasons, I just can’t imagine that.”

Selina: But I think, though, for a mini-series it’s different because the BBC does all kinds of… I mean, sort of kitchen sink, real, gruesome… not gruesome, that’s the wrong word. But realistic, kind of gritty stuff like that. I think it would fit in really well as a mini-series. But not as a movie because it doesn’t have a crescendo in that way.

Andrew: Wouldn’t it be harder to adapt a book for a TV series, I would think?

Selina: I don’t think Casual Vacancy… because I think Casual Vacancy isn’t so much about a plot being set up and then it needs to get resolved. It’s more about setting up this gallery of characters that interact with each other. So, in that sense over the course of several episodes you could do that, but it’s more… the tempo is like this. This is good we have video. You can do this.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Selina: But yeah, that’s what I was going to say. So, I think it works.

Andrew: Well, I think it’s interesting that it’s JK Rowling’s first foray into television. She’s conquered movies, and now it’s time for her to conquer television. We’ll see if she can do it.

Eric: I wonder if…

Selina: Yeah, it’s fun. I wonder if they’re going to get any actors from the Harry Potter series to star in it because…

Andrew: Oh, please. [laughs]

Selina: Oh, come on! Because every single… not because of Harry Potter, but because almost every single British actor has been in Harry Potter, so it’s almost impossible to avoid. And it’s just because I see the Dursleys in my head when I read The Casual Vacancy, so I want them to be in it. I want Dudley…

[Micah laughs]

Selina: What’s his face, Uncle Vernon, to be that guy that’s like Uncle Vernon in The Casual Vacancy and stuff.

Eric: Uh-huh, yeah.

Selina: It would be so fun.

Andrew: People were suggesting that I audition for the role of Andrew in The Casual Vacancy.

Selina: Oh, Andrew. Awww.

Eric: Andrew.

Andrew: I think that’s a great idea. If only… I’m trying to bring up some quotes from Andrew so I can do my audition, but I don’t have the book with me right now, and I can’t seem to Google any. So, if anybody has some quotes, paste them in the chat and I will audition. That idea was from crystilflower, by the way.

Selina: Uh-oh, Krystal.

Andrew: Oh yeah, there’s another character.

Eric: There’s a Krystal in the book.

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: I guess we’ll all be watching, right? I didn’t finish the book, so this will be my way to actually know what happens.

[Andrew and Selina laugh]

Eric: It’s tough for me to get the BBC, I think. I don’t know, maybe we get the BBC.

Selina: It’ll be out on DVD.

Andrew: It’s very easy thanks to BitTorrent. Yeah, and the DVD, of course.

Selina: Legally.

MuggleCast 260 Transcript (continued)


Top Seven Harry Potter Moments of 2012 (continued)


Eric: Okay, so moving off of The Casual Vacancy, I think that probably will be our top moment of the year, but Pottermore… and we talked about it a little bit at the beginning of this episode, but Pottermore actually opened to the public…

[Crickets sound effect plays]

Andrew: That’s Micah playing that, not me!

[Micah and Selina laugh]

Eric: Pottermore opened to the public on March 14th of this year.

Andrew: I can’t believe it was only this year.

Eric: This year. And now, a couple of days ago…

Selina: We were waiting for it [since] September 2011, weren’t we?

Eric: A couple of days ago, the third book opened. So it’s gone through, guys. The first two books have been completed, and we’re onto the third in nine months time.

Andrew: Well, the other thing to keep in mind is that it was in beta in 2011, so… and they had Book 1 done. But yeah…

Eric: Yeah, the public opening – like any random person who hadn’t been there when they initially did the signups for beta testing – the public has had nine months, and in those nine months they rewarded us with almost three books. I think that’s pretty shocking. It seemed to go a lot slower than that mostly because the rest of us were waiting for so long. What do you think?

Andrew: Yeah. Well, I mean, it was impressive. There were a lot that they did this year, and I’m interested to see what kind of pace they continue to move at. Yeah, I have nothing else to say.

Eric: Yeah. No, I know that was going to be a quick one, but of course this one might not be. Warner Bros. Studio Tour London: The Making of Harry Potter.

Andrew: Oh, yeah!

Eric: Now, that opened March 31st.

Selina: Oh, yeah!

Eric: March 31st was the grand opening. Who of us has been there?

Andrew: Just Selina.

Selina: I went to the grand opening. I got to interview the different stars and the producers and stuff. It was so much fun.

Eric: So, you got to see the Studio Tour?

Selina: I did.

Eric: Andrew? Micah? You guys didn’t?

Andrew: No.

Micah: Nope.

Andrew: I know, Selina, you really liked it, right?

Selina: I loved it. I loved it. I mean, I’ve always been a book fan more than a movie fan even though I do like the movies, but going there and seeing everything like the paintings that I was talking about and seeing all the different sweets and stuff. I just… it was fantastic and it was fantastic as well for me because I got to speak to David Heyman and stuff…

Andrew: Mhm.

Selina: …so I probably remember that as part of the experience. But…

Andrew: Is it a no-brainer for fans to go in England? If you live in England or you’re making a trip there, is it a no-brainer to go?

Selina: I would say…

Eric: Isn’t there a bus that can take you from the airport?

Selina: Yes, there’s a bus.

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: I would say it’s a no-brainer if you care about filmmaking.

Andrew: Oh.

Selina: If you care about filmmaking and Harry Potter, then you go…

Andrew: Hmm.

Selina: …because it’s a lot of technical information. You see how some of the special effects were made, you see how they rode on broomsticks, you… I mean, there’s a gift shop with stuff that you can buy.

Micah: Of course there is.

Selina: And I did love that, but…

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Where is it? Hold on, hold on.

[Cash register sound effect plays]

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Selina: There you go.

Andrew: Wouldn’t casual fans enjoy it too, I would think? Because you walk in the actual Great Hall and the actual sets.

Selina: Right, but I think… you walk to them, but you don’t walk into them. They are roped off. It’s like a museum in a lot of ways.

Andrew: Well, the Great Hall you walk into.

Selina: Oh yeah, you do get to walk through the Great Hall but the tables are roped off, that sort of thing. It’s costumes, it’s incomplete effects, it’s a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff. It doesn’t feel like you’re in Hogwarts. It’s not like they made a Hogwarts for you to walk through. That’s just what I want.

Andrew: Right.

Selina: This was about the movies and the… this was about the creation of the movies.

Andrew: Mhm.

Selina: Rather than about the story of the movies.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: Somebody is asking, “What’s better – the Studio Tour or the Exhibition?” I mean, obviously the Studio Tour is better.

Selina: The Studio Tour, probably.

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: Yeah, because this is a complete experience.

Andrew: Speaking of that, I went to the Exhibition in New York City a couple of weeks ago and I really liked it. I went on a Saturday night with my brother and mom, and it was empty. I mean, there was nobody in there. I don’t know if that’s normally… I don’t know if it’s just because we went kind of late at night or what, but…

Micah: It was your private tour.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Oh, that’s right. Yeah, that’s right. Okay, yeah, I’m sorry. [fake laughs] But I liked it. It was cool. There wasn’t… it’s pretty expensive. It’s like twenty-five, I think, per person?

Eric: Hmmm.

Andrew: Or twenty? And you get a picture at the beginning, which then you have to pay for at the end if you actually want to keep it. I didn’t buy it because, again, it was way too expensive. And they have merchandise at the end, of course. It was cool. It was cool to see all the props and whatnot.

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: I was debating between that and Madame Tussauds because Madame Tussauds… I love Madame Tussauds because you can actually touch all the wax figures.

Eric: Wait, you can touch them?

Andrew: Yeah. You can take picture with them in any position you want. You can make-out with them. They say not to touch the heads, but there is nobody around there, so you can if you want to.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: And it’s so much fun. I did the Hollywood one. It was such a blast. I wanted to do it in New York City again. But yeah, I highly recommend Madame Tussauds.

Eric: And you chose Harry Potter over that.

Andrew: Because Harry Potter was five dollars cheaper. [laughs]

Eric: [laughs] So, there you go.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Harry Potter and frugal people.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: The other big difference was, Selina, you can correct me if I’m wrong, but at the Studio Tour you get the chance to actually take photos.

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: Mmm.

Micah: Whereas at the Exhibition they discourage you from doing that. Why? I don’t know.

Selina: Oh, that’s weird.

Andrew: They don’t just discourage you, they are watching and they tell you no. And at the beginning of the Exhibition they get two people sorted by the talking Sorting Hat – and I went up because it was me, my mom, and my brother and two other people going into the Exhibition – and I go up, but I wanted to get my picture taken because it looks like you’re getting sorted with the Sorting Hat, and they don’t even allow a picture during then!

Selina: That’s stupid.

Andrew: I don’t get it.

Selina: That’s dumb. I mean, that’s the thing… that was one of the best things about the Studio Tour, is that you get your picture in front of, like, the big door to the Chamber of Secrets…

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: …and the bridge and the Dursleys house and stuff like that. It’s just… that stuff is fun.

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: And the castle! Hogwarts! Oh my God.

Andrew: Oh yeah, the big scale of Hogwarts.

Selina: Yeah, they have the giant… that’s the best thing about it, is the giant Hogwarts at the end. That isn’t to scale, but you can just imagine yourself like this big and you are like life-size at Hogwarts. It’s amazing.

Andrew: Right. That’s cool, that’s cool.

Eric: So, we have two more stories…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …completing the top seven, and these will go quick. I have this as a top story: On June 4th, Sony announced in a way of continuing their partnership with JK Rowling in bringing you all things awesome, the Harry Potter Book of Spells would be released, and this would feature spells from JK Rowling and be a new interactive video game experience.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: Now…

Andrew: Nobody has played this yet, in this group. Has anyone?

Eric: I have not.

Micah: No.

Eric: But the reason I say it’s a top story is because they are continuing to break new ground, really try and break new media in. And whether or not it succeeds we have yet to see, but it shows that in a way the spark hasn’t died, or at least their pockets haven’t sewn themselves shut. So, here…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: And with the new content from JK Rowling, it really makes sense…

[Cash register sound effect plays]

Eric: …that it would be attractive to do. So, I am actually interested. I will be playing this. I just need the right equipment and all that.

Andrew: I’m looking at a review on IGN – it’s a reputable video game site. They give it a 6.0 out of 10. They say it’s okay. “Book of Spells: not interactive enough to make it an enjoyable game and lacks the compelling narrative of a good book.”

Eric: Hmm.

Andrew: They say, “It has a fantastic presentation and the technology has great potential, but no real story. Shallow, repetitive gameplay and little replay value.”

Selina: That sounds like Pottermore.

[Andrew laughs]

Selina: No, it’s well presented…

Andrew: Well, they’re both by Sony.

Selina: …but it’s kind of…

Andrew: They’re both by Sony. So…

Selina: Right! But it sounds like the two… because they were released in a similar time frame to each other. It seems like the two are made from the same idea of having very, very simple walkthrough. You know what I mean?

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: But having very nice looking art and things.

Andrew: Let me…

Eric: Replay value is one of those things, I think, that all of the Harry Potter video games have suffered from.

Andrew: Well, and it’s important for a system like this where you’re paying upward… I mean, we talked about this before. You need the system, you need the Playstation controller wand thing, you need the Eye, which is a camera, and you need this new Book of Spells device and the game. So, it just really adds up.

Eric: Yeah, for sure. But hopefully we’ll see in the coming year – maybe I can predict a sequel book that better uses the…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …technology released. They put themselves out there, that’s my point. People are still putting themselves out there and releasing content. Whether or not it’s a thousand dollar series of behind-the-scenes books, or new technology. It’s something worth noting for the year. And then, finally, we’ve already…

Micah: Well, one thing I just want to add to that though, is I would encourage Warner Bros. and Sony and all these other places to try and come up with some things that are a little bit more affordable for fans.

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: I mean, these are people who have poured in a lot of time and money into the series…

Eric: Already.

Micah: …over the last ten years, and I think that right now all you’re seeing them do is price gouging people.

Andrew: Well, wouldn’t you argue that Pottermore is basically that? It is a hundred percent free? So…

Micah: Yeah, but I also think that people would buy a book for thirty or forty dollars if all that information was contained in the book. So, I’m just talking about some of the other sets that we’ve seen. The Wizard’s Collection retailing for six hundred dollars. This other collection that we spoke about earlier in the show, a thousand dollars. I mean, it’s just ridiculous to think that people are going to spend that kind of money.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I just… I’m not trying to be a grinch here like earlier in the show.

Andrew: Yes, you are!

Selina: Awww.

Micah: I’m looking out for the people who like the series and want to be able to get something for a reasonable price.

Andrew: Why don’t you write us something Harry Potter related, Micah, and release it for ten bucks? Write a fan fiction.

Micah: All right. I’m not going to write it.

Selina: Release a fan fiction for money. That’s going to go well.

Andrew: Do like a paragraph and release it for a quarter. Charge a quarter.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Micah’s first fan fiction. And we’ll bring Fireside Chats back.

Micah: Somebody just said in the chat, TheHpgirl4ever:

“‘Book of Spells’ is a Bobfail.”

Andrew: Ah yes, the Bobfail.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: Oh, Bobfail! That’s an end of year recap show history tradition.

Andrew: In the MuggleCasties.

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: We’re not doing the MuggleCasties this year, I’m sorry to tell everybody.

Eric: These equate themselves, and your comments in the chat are our MuggleCasties for this year. And now our final top moment of the year, this is number seven. We’ve kind of talked about it before, The Wizarding World of Harry Potter continues to see…

[Drumroll sound effect plays]

Eric: Oh.

Selina: Sorry! [laughs]

Eric: The Wizarding World of Harry Potter continues to see awards and ceremonies within its parks, and this includes the new film that they’re apparently producing for the expansion as well as the five millionth Butterbeer which was consumed earlier this month on the 13th of December.

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: I’m sorry, didn’t we get the announcement that there was going to be a new park this year? Like one or two new parks?

Andrew: That was in December of last year.

Selina: Oh, was it? Oh, I’m sorry.

Andrew: So it was a year ago, yeah. Well, it’s funny. We’ve heard nothing about those. That was at the beginning of December 2011. Universal had announced Wizarding World Hollywood and they had announced an expansion coming to Wizarding World Orlando and they have said absolutely nothing since then. Which, whatever, but I thought for sure within a year we would hear something about one of these. Like even concept art for Universal Hollywood, but no. By the way, I think they are getting under way with Universal Hollywood or Wizarding World Hollywood because the MTV Movie Awards are not at the Gibson Amphitheater this year. This is the first year, and Gibson Amphitheater is one of the venues they’re knocking out to make room for Wizarding World Hollywood. So, I think that means… and that’s in March, the MTV Movie Awards. So, construction has to be starting really soon on that and knocking down stuff to make room for Wizarding World.

Eric: Right. That is exciting. And there were some behind-the-scenes kind of like of the construction of archways and stuff, weren’t there? I saw a Hypable post…

Andrew: Well, yeah… right, the Wizarding World Orlando expansion, it’s being built in Universal Studios. It’s going to be Diagon Alley in London, that’s the rumor. It still seems to be… Aj in the chat is asking:

“Still 2014-2015 for the expansion?”

And I think yes, that seems to be… I don’t think that’s really changed. [laughs] Bree in the chat says:

“Andrew’s hat looks real.”

And that’s because it is a real hat. [laughs]

Micah: It is. [laughs]

Andrew: I’m like what everybody else is wearing. Mine is so special effects.

Selina: Mine is totally real.

Andrew: Look at that, it always hangs on. What was I saying? So yeah, they’re putting the track down for the Gringotts ride, the rumored Gringotts ride at Wizarding World Orlando expansion.

Eric: Very cool.


Looking Forward to 2013


Andrew: So, that moves into our 2013 discussion to wrap up the show. What do we have to look forward to in the year 2013?

Eric: I will say, speaking of 2013 I did want to take this opportunity to plug the 2013 MuggleNet Fandom Calendar.

Andrew: Oh, yes.

Eric: Which is something that… we haven’t had an opportunity yet on this show to talk about it. There are some video commercials out there and some audio clips that we’ve played on the other MuggleNet podcasts, but just real quickly here I just want to talk about this. The MuggleNet 2013 Fandom Calendar features all of the events in the books, like the day that Harry and Dumbledore go to recruit Slughorn. All those little, intimate details about what dates they occurred on. It’s a 2013 calendar much like you’d normally find this time of year in stores on shelves, and each month features a different part of the fandom. So, we have fan art and fan conventions and HP fan trips and all that stuff for the monthly images, and then the individual dates are all about premieres and birthdays of the actors and actresses as well as the characters. So, there’s all the information you possibly need is on MuggleNet, or just Google “MuggleNet Fandom Calendar” and check out our commercials and everything. But if this is something that interests you, again, I guess a little late for Christmas now, but you can still use it, it’s not 2013 yet, and the dates and everything are on there. It will surprise you. Our attention to detail will surprise you. That’s my promise. MuggleNet.com 2013 Fandom Calendar.

Andrew: I think I should be in the calendar. I deserve that.

Eric: Well, you’ve got to… where were you when I was filming the commercial?

Andrew: You filmed the commercial?

Eric: Yeah, yeah, I filmed and produced it.

Andrew: Where is this commercial? Where do I watch the commercial?

Eric: It’s on YouTube. I can’t…

Andrew: Oh, I didn’t…

Eric: I tried already to post the link in the comments, but I guess, preventing spam, they don’t allow it. But yeah, there’s two commercials and actually you would have fit perfectly into the role of “Enthusiastic Fan”…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: …which I instead cast my good friend, Shannon Daly, in that role.

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: But yes, the commercial featured two people… well, and Hedwig. Hedwig made an appearance. But the two characters were “Enthusiastic Fan” and “Bored Roommate,” and I think you would have really fit “Enthusiastic Fan,” so that’s a shame.

Selina: You could have had your acting debut.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: So, what is there to look forward to in 2013? There are three things we have written down here. Look at this, I’m fixing up…

Eric: Can I steal from those three things? [laughs]

Andrew: What do you mean? You want to say one of them?

Eric: Can I read them off the list and be like, “Hey, this is what I’m looking forward to”?

Andrew: Oh. Well, I mean, I think they’re all things that we agree with.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: For one, the theme park announcement. As they continue to build in Orlando, at some point we’re going to see real Harry Potter stuff showing up. So, they can’t keep that quiet for much longer, I don’t think, although I was probably saying that at this time last year as well. They completed the London waterfront, which you can see and walk right on, but…

Eric: Really?

Andrew: Yeah. They just haven’t announced it yet. There’s… yeah, it’s crazy. And the reason I think they’re keeping it secret is because as soon as they announce it, potential people are going to start saying, oh, well we will just wait until the expansion opens and then… foot traffic-related reasons.

Eric: Right. Yeah, no, I’d say that holds some weight.

Andrew: Yeah. So, hopefully this year… because if they’re opening at, let’s say, 2014 – the way it seems to be moving, I would guess 2014 – if they open in 2014, then there has to be an announcement in 2013, I would think.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Maybe late in 2013.

Eric: At the end of the year, right?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah, sure. An encyclopedia announcement, what we’ve asked every year since 2007. [laughs] Will it be this year?

Selina: Yes!

Andrew: Selina, you think this is the year. Lucky thirteen.

Selina: No, actually I don’t think this is the year.

[Micah and Selina laugh]

Andrew: Oh.

Selina: I never think it’s going to be the year. But I mean, come on, please Jo.

[Andrew laughs]

Selina: We’ve had Casual Vacancy. We just… we want it so badly, and yeah. I feel if she waits too many more years, I’m going to… I don’t know if I’ll… I’m sure I’ll be excited, but I feel like if she releases too much in Pottermore, it’s like, what’s left? Or maybe that’s when she’s saving the lesbian reveal.

Andrew: Yeah, maybe.

Eric: For the encyclopedia.

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: There has to be another gay character in the Harry Potter books.

Selina: It’s going to have a whole section on lesbian characters in Harry Potter.

Micah: Professor McGonagall, the…

Selina: Oh, yeah.

Andrew: In the chat…

Selina: Hermione, that’s going to be the big twist.

Andrew: In the chat, tomas says an announcement about Pottermore, the TV series, coming in 2013.

Eric: Ooh.

Andrew: I think that’s a great idea.

Selina: Oh, yeah. Yes, some casting.

Eric: You’ll only be able to view it on the back of plane seats and on your mobile device.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s another rumor. There’s going to be mobile… that’s something else to look forward to in 2013. Pottermore is supposed to be releasing in-flight… Pottermore in-flight something. I don’t know. They haven’t said what. They’ve just said Pottermore in-flight. So, you’ll be able to…

Selina: What?

Andrew: You’ll be able to do a potion? I don’t know.

Eric: Again, they’re pushing the boundaries, you know? They’re going to…

Selina: What’s their target audience for that?

Andrew: Everybody. They want… the CEO Charlie Redmayne has said, [in a bad British accent] “We want to get Pottermore everywhere that we can. That includes…”

Selina: That’s a very nice accent.

Andrew: “…mobile devices and seat-back entertainment…”

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: “…and in the bathrooms.”

[Selina laughs]

Eric: And then another JK Rowling book…

Andrew: He said that, right?

Eric: Yeah, he said that.

Micah: I was going to say something, but those words are not appropriate for this show.

Andrew: Hmm.

Eric: Well then, guys, in 2013 we may see the children’s book that JK Rowling was talking about.

Selina: Yes, possibly.

Eric: Which I will…

Micah: Read?

Eric: I’m going to not get it the day it comes out. I learned that lesson with The Casual Vacancy.

Andrew: Why? What was wrong with that?

Selina: I will.

Eric: Well, it’s just I know now that when she says I’m not her target audience for a book…

Andrew: [laughs] You believe it?

Eric: …it means I’m not her target audience for a book. So, oops. Shame on me.

Andrew: Well, I don’t even think I would buy it because I feel like if it’s a book for six to seven-year-olds, which she has said, then I don’t think I would read this. Right? Because…

Eric: I would rent it. I would get it from the library. You wouldn’t buy it because you know it’s just not for you. If you don’t have a kid or if you’re not a kid…

Selina: I would buy it because the thing about it being for younger kids is it’s going to have all those nice little messages about life and it’s going to teach me what to do with myself.

Andrew: Oh, that’s true. That’s true.

Selina: And it’s going to be like my Dr. Seuss, but by JK Rowling.

Eric: I don’t know, I don’t think it’ll be all that cheery.

Andrew: Oh, it’s not going to be miserable.

Selina: Aww. [laughs] It’s like, “Well, my pet died, and then I fell…”

[Micah laughs]

Eric: That’s the thing, is… to be honest…

Micah: That’s The Casual Vacancy.

Selina: [laughs] Spoilers.

Eric: Even if… but I’m talking about Harry Potter. Even if Harry Potter focused, I think, a little bit too much on death…

[Dramatic music sound effect plays]

Eric: …as a big thing… so I don’t know. I wouldn’t… is a plane going by or is it like a stampede, Micah?

Selina: A sound effect. It’s like, “Dunnn!”

Eric: Oh. Anyway… no, I don’t think the children’s book will be that cheery. I’m just saying, going by her past history it probably won’t be.

Andrew: I will read it in the kids section of Barnes and Noble. Honest to God. I will sit down with the other kids in Barnes and Noble.

Eric: Aww.

Andrew: You know how they have the little kid table with the chairs?

Micah: Will you read… you should read to them.

Selina: Oh my God, you should!

Andrew: I’ll read… I’ll host daily readings of the children’s book.

Selina: Oh my God. [laughs]

Andrew: Gather around, kids! It’s time to read…

Micah: You’ve got to do the voices, too.

Andrew:A Witch in the Wardrobe. [laughs] Or, I don’t know. What would she name a kid’s… Babbity Rabbity. It’s time to read Babbity Rabbity. Gather around, everybody. That would be very…

[Rimshot sound effect plays]

Selina: Yeah.

[Micah laughs]

Selina: You scare me every time.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Stop belittling my jokes! So, I think that’s a sure-fire bet because a children’s book – it won’t take long to edit, really. The illustrations will take a while, but I think that could get out in 2013. She announced The Casual Vacancy in what? March, like we said.

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: And it came out six months later.

Eric: In September, yeah.

Andrew: So, I bet she could announce a book and it would come out two months later or three months later, a children’s book.

Micah: I’m interested to see what Warner Bros. comes up with as far as a new way to try and engage fans. It seems like…

Andrew: I thought you were going to say price gouge. [laughs]

Micah: I was, but I changed it at the last minute. Just in terms of… they came up with the Exhibition and then they moved over to the Studio Tour and they have the theme park, so I’m sure there’s other ideas that they can come up with of things to do.

Andrew: You think so? What could be next?

Micah: Also, where’s the Exhibition going next? It’s back in New York, I think, through March.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: And then who knows.

Andrew: They should go somewhere entirely new this time.

Eric: Yeah. Well, they weren’t supposed to ever come back to the States. They were doing an international thing and then I think they gave up for the holidays and just came back where they knew it would be successful.

Andrew: I can’t imagine how they moved some of that stuff. I mean, some of this stuff in the Exhibition is huge. It must cost a fortune.

Eric: Trucks. Trains. Planes. Boats.

Andrew: Yeah, planes. I can’t imagine that big joker thing on a plane.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: That thing is gigantic.

Eric: That’s creepy as hell. I would not fly on the same plane as that.

Andrew: No, me either.

Eric: Even if it was in cargo, locked up.

Selina: It wouldn’t get a seat!

[Micah laughs]

Eric: The joker? The jack-in-the-box?

Andrew: No, yeah, of course not! Duh!

Selina: It would be in the…

Andrew: It would get a row.

Selina: Yes. [laughs] Right.

Andrew: Not even a whole row. It would get the edge of a row.

Eric: Creepy-as thing. No, actually in the chat, here’s a 2013 thing to look forward to. Erik Leedjärv says:

“Announcement of MuggleCast the Movie!”

Selina: Oh my God! I wish that were true.

Eric: Or maybe a BBC mini series.

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: How about MuggleCast the Musical movie?

Eric: The musical movie?

Selina: The Musical. MuggleCast the Musical.

Eric: We can feature all of your rap songs, Andrew.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: And all of your music videos.

Andrew: I was thinking Les Mis style, where we just sing everything.

Eric: Oh. You’ve seen it, though.

Selina: Yes.

Andrew: [singing] “Micah, tell us what is in the news today.”

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: And Micah…

Micah: You didn’t do that already?

Andrew: Oh, I wish. We should do that sometime. Just sing everything.

Selina: Just a musical episode. Why the hell not?

Andrew: It can only be ten minutes because people wouldn’t be able to stand anything longer than that.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Yes. Good ideas, good ideas all around. So, I think that’s it for what to look forward to in 2013. Unless anybody has anything else in that.

Selina: There’s nothing more. [laughs]

Micah: The world didn’t end, so we should have a lot to look forward to.

Eric: Really, the sky is the limit.

Andrew: Absolutely.

[Rimshot sound effect plays]


Micah’s Announcement


Andrew: Okay, and then to wrap the show, as we teased, Micah has an announcement. Micah, tell us, [laughs] what is your announcement?

Micah: [mocking Andrew] What’s in the news?

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: No, I think…

Andrew: Micah’s going to make… Micah is the news this time, yo!

Micah: Yeah, so I was actually thinking we were just going to end the show and I would be able to say, “For the last time, from MuggleNet, I’m Micah Tannenbaum.”

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: But yeah, that’s kind of the big announcement. After seven years, I’m leaving MuggleNet. I won’t be with the site anymore, moving forward. I’ll still be doing the podcast with all of you guys. But it’s been a crazy ride for seven years. I’ve had a great experience, meeting a lot of great people, some of which are included in this call.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Micah: I’m just joking. But yeah, so that’s kind of the big announcement as you billed it as, Andrew.

Andrew: Right. Well, like you said, seven years. I did seven years at MuggleNet, and you did seven years at MuggleNet.

Micah: I’m just copying you.

Andrew: Eric has done seventy-seven years at MuggleNet.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Eric: And I don’t look a day over twenty-four.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: And Selina was smart enough to stay away the whole time.

[Andrew laughs]

Selina: Oh, no.

Andrew: Well, Micah, I will say you were my best hire ever at MuggleNet. I mean that.

Micah: Well, thank you.

Selina: Aww.

Andrew: Yeah, you’re welcome.

Eric: Let’s just give a round of applause! A pat on the… oh, do we have applause?

Andrew: Of course there’s an applause sound effect on here.

[Applause sound effect plays]

Eric: Woo!

Andrew: I applaud Micah on seven wonderful years at MuggleNet.

[Applause sound effect plays]

Andrew: And you mentioned at the end of this month, that’ll be your… even though you may have mentioned you’ve taken a step back.

Micah: Mhm.

[Sad trombone sound effect plays]

Andrew: For a little bit of a transition over the past few months. Well, that’s good. I think that’s… I’m happy for you with your run at MuggleNet. Good times.

Eric: What are you doing next, Micah? Where are you going?

Andrew: Yeah, what’s next? What’s next?

Micah: What’s next? Just a lot of stuff going on with work and… some of you know, but I don’t think everybody knows that I work for the NBA, and so we’re in season. It’s pretty crazy right now. And that other podcast called Game of Owns, I’ll be working on…

Selina: Yay!

Micah: …moving forward. We released… because we did such a great job of promoting it earlier, we do three shows every week about the hit TV show and book series Game of Thrones, and we have a lot of fun with it. Three of the hosts are on here right now: Eric, Selina, and myself. We also have our friend Zack Luye, who is on the show. And Hodor makes an appearance every once in a while.

Selina: Hodor was on, yes.

Andrew: Wow, another Games of Owns plug on this show.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: What on earth? [laughs]

Selina: We’ve got three…

Micah: Well, you asked what am I going to be doing!

Andrew: Well, people are leaving nice messages for you…

[Fanfare sound effect plays]

Micah: I thought you were going to just say they’re leaving.

Andrew: No.

[Micah and Selina laugh]

Andrew: Because they’re sick of this sad news. But yeah, like you said, still be on MuggleCast. Wherever the future lies for MuggleCast and all that.


Show Close


Andrew: Well, that’s a great way to the end of the show. Thank you everybody for listening. It’s been another great year of MuggleCast. You can visit MuggleCast.com to find our social media outlets, of course – with the Twitter, which is Twitter.com/MuggleCast. We have a Facebook, which is Facebook.com/MuggleCast. You can find all the transcripts on MuggleCast.com. You can follow our fan Tumblr, or just go to MuggleCast.Tumblr.com. And you can subscribe and review us on iTunes over there as well, and download all the old episodes. I know people like listening to the back episodes a lot, and that’s one way to do it, so…

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Thank you everyone for listening.

Micah: I was just going to add…

Andrew: crystilflower says:

“Play a song for Micah! Wait, who’ll do the news?”

Again, Micah is still going to be on MuggleCast. He’s not leaving MuggleCast, so…

Micah: But I was just going to add really quick before we go, that there are also transcripts of each show…

Andrew: I said that!

Micah: Did you?

Andrew: Yes!

Micah: Oh. Well, I just wanted to thank them then.

Andrew: [laughs] Yes.

Micah: For all the hard work that they do. That’s how I got my start, actually. You’re talking about leaving MuggleNet after seven years, but that’s how I got started with MuggleNet and MuggleCast. So, they do a great job over there. And it’s thankless work, I think, in some respects because you’re sitting here…

Andrew: Definitely.

Micah: They must never want to listen to a show when we normally put it out because they’re so sick of hearing our voices. Over and over and over again. But I just wanted to say thanks to Tracey and her group because they do a great job.

Andrew: Yeah. Thank you, guys. Thank you very much. We do appreciate that. So, we will see everybody next time for Episode 261. Goodnight and good luck.

Eric: Goodnight!

Andrew: And happy holidays.

Eric: Yes.

Selina: Good night! Happy Holidays!

Micah: Happy Holidays!

Eric: Happy Holidays!

[Andrew laughs]

[Applause sound effect plays]

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: What a face.

[Show music begins]

[Drumroll sound effect plays]

Andrew: And before we end this broadcast, just thanks to everybody who’s been listening on the live stream. We had about… we averaged about 130 people, so that was good.

[Applause, fanfare, and gong sound effects play]

Andrew: And we will see everybody in the future…

[Gong sound effect plays]

Andrew: …on an episode. Goodbye!

[Show music continues]

Transcript #259

MuggleCast 259 Transcript


Show Intro


[“Hedwig’s Theme” plays]

Andrew: Because we finished reading The Casual Vacancy – at least one of us did – this is MuggleCast Episode 259 for October 28th, 2012.

[Show music begins]

Andrew: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 259. Eric, Selina, Micah, and I are all here this week. Hello gentlemen and lady.

Selina: Hello.

Eric: Hello.

Andrew: Fair lady.

Micah: Hello.

Eric: This is so odd…

Selina: I know. [laughs]

Eric: …seeing you, Andrew, in your Google headband and monocle.

Andrew: Yeah, we’re doing a Google Hangout chat to talk. It’s fun.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: I like it.

Micah: It’s interesting, we’re all dressed up for Halloween.

[Selina laughs]

Micah: I’m not… except for Selina. I’m not quite sure what she is.

Andrew: I don’t even see Selina.

Selina: I know.

Eric: Selina is a black hole.

Selina: Well, mine was just a green screen, so I turned it off because that was weird.

Andrew: Oh.

Selina: Look, I’m just green.

Andrew: Maybe your camera is just broken.

Selina: Maybe. So, I was like whatever. [laughs]

Andrew: Eric, could you get closer to your mic? You’re still low compared to everybody else.

Eric: Sorry, I have to…

Andrew: That’s much better.

Eric: I pretty much have to hold the mic like this.

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: What do you have? You have like a mechanical arm.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Dude, I’m just going to get one of those.

Andrew: Yeah, you should.

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: So, we have some news to catch up on and we also are going to talk about The Casual Vacancy. A couple of people have finished it. Not everybody, however.

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: Nope. [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] And we have some emails to… wait, did you not finish it, Selina?

Selina: No. [laughs]

Andrew: Oh no.

Eric: Whoa.

Micah: Do you know what happens though?

Eric: You were the closest!

Selina: No. [laughs]

Micah: Wow.

Andrew: Yeah, you were the closest. What happened?

Micah: So…

Selina: I didn’t read anything. [laughs]

Eric: The ball has been dropped.

Andrew: So, it all comes down to Micah. [laughs] The MuggleCast review of The Casual Vacancy is actually the Micah review of The Casual Vacancy.

Eric: Wow.

Selina: Yay.

Micah: All right.

Andrew: So, we’ll talk about that in a little bit, but first the news. Micah, what is happening in the world of Harry Potter this month?


News: JK Rowling in New York City


Micah: Well, it’s really the world of JK Rowling, [laughs] not the world of Harry Potter

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: …because she’s been out on her promotional tour for The Casual Vacancy and she made a stop in New York City a couple of weeks ago. And some of us were there.

Andrew: Yeah, how was that?

Micah: It was good. It’s always good to kind of see everybody get together, minus a few obviously – Andrew and Selina, we didn’t see you there – but it was kind of like a mini reunion…

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: …of sorts. It was kind of like Chicago all over again, but with a few less people. And it was fun. Not to be too critical of the person doing the interviewing, but I didn’t find her that engaging, and I’m forgetting her name right now but she really… she seemed to be way more of a fan than a professional, and so… I mean, I can understand that being in the presence of JK Rowling and being responsible for interviewing her, but I really felt like it was more about her [laughs] and less about JK Rowling, and she talked way too much and JK Rowling didn’t talk quite enough.

Eric: Well, authors tend to have a shorthand that they talk to each other in sometimes because this…

Micah: Like a pimp hand?

Eric: No, a shorthand. [laughs] A pimp hand. No, it’s a vernacular, it’s vocab. So, they talk to you… so, she was asking… I think her name was Ann and she was an author and she was asking Jo about her creative process and things like that, and so some of the questions she would ask I found that I was very interested in because I like to look into writing and I found those questions interesting. But there was… I was uncomfortable at certain times when she was just talking about her own writing and her own work, and here I am wanting to learn more about JK Rowling. So, if they had a time limit – and they did – I feel like it could have been better used to ask even more questions of JK Rowling because getting your book signed… that was not the time to ask Jo a question. If you wanted to have your question asked, it needed to be done… submitted in the weeks prior. And the questions that… well, some of the questions that Jo was being asked during the event were submitted, but on the whole – and they even joked about this – she had a stack of cards with everybody’s questions on it and really probably only got to about five of them that night, out of fifteen or twenty it looked like.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: I think it’s important, though, to have somebody who is really excited about being in the presence of JK Rowling though.

Eric: That’s true.

Andrew: You know?

Eric: That’s true because she, in a way, then represented all of us who were…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …just as excited.

Andrew: Definitely.

Micah: Yeah, but I think the other part of it, though… you have to remember that the people there paid to see JK Rowling.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Micah: They didn’t pay to see Ann Patchett, that was her name.

Andrew: They only paid thirty-five bucks, though. [laughs]

Micah: I know, but how many opportunities do you get to see JK Rowling and to listen to her talk? I thought overall it was great, though. She read from a passage in The Casual Vacancy and really that part that Eric talked about, that Q&A…

[Drum roll plays]

Micah: …was very, very short, from the fans themselves.

Eric: Yeah. Yeah, that definitely was. And even the reading. She did a reading…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: But I found the whole evening was kind of short. We ended up waiting quite a while afterwards to get our stuff signed, but…

Micah: The hour deadline… I say deadline, but that’s kind of what it was like. They stuck to that hour time frame very, very strictly. It literally ended right at nine o’clock and they moved it over to the signing portion.

Andrew: And that’s obviously because JK Rowling had a lot of books to sign, I’m sure.

Eric: Two thousand, yes.

Micah: Just a few.

Eric: A thousand more than she was even going to and I’m so glad that she still decided to do that for everybody, but…

Andrew: So…

Selina: Did she sign everybody’s books?

Eric: Yeah, she signed every one.

Selina: Oh, man.

Eric: And not only that, everybody got a new copy of the book because there’s no way to facilitate “bring your own Casual Vacancy,” whatever. They had… we all got a brand new book and it was already… the flap was already in the page so that you just open it up and it was right to the page that Jo would sign, which is the fifth or sixth page.

Selina: Wow.

Andrew: So, Eric, what did you say to Jo?

Eric: So… [laughs]

Micah: Uh-oh.

Eric: I’m laughing because…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: …I asked Micah this question afterwards. No, no, no, I asked Micah… I’m going to… I don’t want ruin this, I don’t want to spoil this for Micah, but I asked him afterwards. I was like, “So, Micah, what did you say to Jo?” and he says, “Uhhh, you know, nothing.”

[Andrew and Selina laugh]

Eric: And I was like, “What do you mean?” and he was like, “Oh, you know, I may have said thank you afterwards.”

Micah: I did say thank you.

Andrew: Were you speechless, Micah?

Micah: No, it goes by very, very quickly and what else are you going to say? I said thank you and… she actually fumbled with the book when she was giving it back to me, so…

Andrew: She was nervous to meet you.

Eric: Whoa, you had that effect on her.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Yeah. [laughs]

Andrew: But… well, Eric, what did you say?

Eric: Yeah, I said… I had a script, I had a thing that I played with while I was waiting in line. I knew that we’d only have three to five seconds.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: So, I came up with this speech and I didn’t introduce myself. Several other people from MuggleNet were like, “Hey, I’m so and so from MuggleNet,” and she was like, “I love MuggleNet!” and stuff. I didn’t waste that time. I basically said… what did I say? “Thank you for continuing to put pen to paper. You have a wonderful voice,” – meaning writing voice – and, “I love your simile and metaphor.”

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: And she said thank you.

Selina: Awww.

Eric: That was it. That was what I did. And as she was signing the book… and then I got pushed to leave, so that was it.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: But that was really… that was what I was looking forward to the most out of this event. We can criticize the…

Andrew: Yeah, definitely.

Eric: …question and answer, or whatever, but actually just being able to thank her in person – there’s the eye contact, that kind of thing – for everything that happened with Harry Potter. And it wasn’t a Harry Potter event. People were not allowed to bring anything Harry Potter-wise into the line. Nothing at all. But still, I wanted to thank her in person for that impact. So, this was a good opportunity for that and I’d say it was well worth the trip.

Andrew: I did watch the video, the first fifty minutes of the event, so I got a good sense of that interviewer and the atmosphere and the audience. And it seemed like a complete… everybody there was a huge Harry Potter fan. I don’t think anybody there has never read Harry Potter or…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, they were hardcore JK Rowling fans. So… well, it seems like everybody had a good time. I had a couple of other friends who went, and they said it was a great time as well. I know when…

Micah: Well, afterwards was even better.

Andrew: Why?

Micah: We went to this bar and did these Harry Potter shots.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: I think we’re old enough to say that at this point on the podcast.

Eric: Did you just say that afterwards was better than the JK Rowling event?

Andrew: [laughs] Because alcohol was involved.

Eric: I’m pretty sure that’s what you just said, Micah. We are adults.

Andrew: I saw photos from that, the place that was doing the Harry Potter Fireball Whiskey shots or… what was that? They were on fire! The shots were on fire!

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: They were on fire.

Eric: And…

Andrew: And the bartender had a Harry Potter scarf, and… good stuff.

Eric: There were incantations. He gave us a scarf, and a hat, and a wand, and we were supposed to… what is this place called? Do you remember, Micah?

Micah: It’s called the Barcelona Bar.

Eric: Barcelona Bar in New York City. And this… you wouldn’t be able to… it’s hard to find from the outside because there’s currently scaffolding on the building, but Micah’s friend, Nicole… not Danielle, right?

Micah: Not Danielle. [laughs]

Eric: Not Danielle. Nicole…

Micah: Eric called her Danielle the whole time.

Eric: …knew about this. She didn’t even say anything. Nice girl, right?

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Didn’t even say that I had her name wrong the whole time, but… no, so they have these specialty shots from all different literature and movies and pop culture and stuff, and the Harry Potter shot involves them literally handing you these props, asking you to cast a spell, and then he lights them on fire, these… the more the merrier is just… so we had nine, and he lights them on fire and he’s shouting some kind of… it was kind of adult what he was saying, weird rambling crap about Harry and his trials at Hogwarts, but then the fire just keeps going and going and going and going and eventually he blows it out and you’ve got this very hot, cinnamon-y, kind of apple shot to drink.

Andrew: That’s awesome.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Well, good stuff. Glad that all worked out. Did they have a… but they knew ahead of time you were coming, right? The Harry Potter

Micah: No.

Andrew: What?

Eric: No, they just regularly offer… and I wonder if I took any pictures of the blackboard, but it’s like a chalkboard and they have all the list of all their different shots. There’s an Indiana Jones shot…

Andrew: Oh, wow. This place sounds awesome.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, and they just do different things. Well, that’s the thing, is the shots, I feel, really saved this place…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: …for… otherwise…

Micah: Well, it’s a hole in the wall. That’s what he’s trying to say.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: And that’s what their moneymaker is, is that they do themed shots.


News: JK Rowling’s Future Writing Projects and Pottermore


Andrew: Oh, okay. Cool. So, there’s been lots of interviews about The Casual Vacancy and, of course, most of them have involved Harry Potter. I got to say, a lot of these interviews were very repetitive. [laughs] I’ve been getting very bored with each new one that comes out.

Eric: I feel bad for JK Rowling. [laughs]

Andrew: I know! And she has to answer every time like it’s some big revelation that she’s saying. One of the questions was, though, what will be her next book? And she does say that it is likely to be a children’s book. She hasn’t committed to it yet, but she has two children’s books and one other adult book I think she has pretty much written at this point. And one of them, for six to seven year olds, is the one she believes is going to be her next book that’s released.

Selina: I’m so relieved. [laughs] I don’t think I can handle all that grown-up stuff.

Eric: Oh, really?

Andrew: But are we to be… as adults now, are we to be even excited about a book for six or seven year olds? It’s just going to be some children’s picture book, right?

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: There’s no way that I’m going to get into this next book of hers. I can tell already that it’s just going to be… it’s going to be a great book, I’m sure, but it’s not for my age type.

Andrew: Of course.

Eric: I can already see myself going, “I’m not…”

Micah: Yeah, but you’ll collect it at the end of the day. You’re going to go out and buy it, right?

Eric: I really don’t know.

Andrew: I don’t know. I don’t know if I’ll buy it.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I’ll definitely go to the bookstore and read it, but…

Selina: I’ll buy it.

Micah: Selina is going to buy it.

[Andrew laughs]

Selina: Yeah, I’m going to buy it [laughs] just to… no, I think that it’s going to be really interesting because I think where Jo really went out of her way this time to show that this was not Harry Potter and she was writing for adults in this really real story. I feel like now she’s going to be writing for children. She’s going to… she’s proven herself, you know? She’s going to go write something, I don’t know, fantastical in some way? At least that’s my hope. And while it might be for a lot smaller children, I think I’ll still really enjoy it. Maybe that’s just more about me, though. [laughs]

Andrew: No, yeah, it will definitely be a fun book, I would think, and something whimsical. I would have no reason to buy it, really. I mean, we’re entering this era now where it’s like, do I buy every JK Rowling book no matter what? Or what do I do? Do Stephen King fans…

Selina: Right.

Andrew: …buy every single Stephen King book?

Selina: I think they do, actually. [laughs] But…

Eric: He’s written like fifty of them, though.

Andrew: But that’s probably because they’re all for adults.

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: I guess that’s kind of the thing, is that did The Casual Vacancy prove to you that you are, in fact, a JK Rowling fan, or are you just going to accept that you’re – quote, unquote – just a Harry Potter fan? That’s the difference.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. Anything else…

Micah: That’s a good point.

Andrew: …that she has said recently that’s been of interest in interviews?

Eric: She had a few interesting things to say about The Casual Vacancy, like specifics about The Casual Vacancy, during that interview at the Koch Center. But otherwise, in interviews I think it’s been kind of, like you said before, repetitive. Nothing terribly new and interesting about that.

Micah: Yeah, there is one Potter comment about wishing that she could still speak with Dumbledore, but I feel like that’s something that she’s said before in the past.

Eric: She has.

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: So…

Eric: And I’m like if anybody can speak to Dumbledore still, it’s JK Rowling.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Eric: She could… I don’t know why that’s a complaint because she could just write a paragraph where she talks to him, or a page or two, but…

Micah: Now, we know that she hasn’t ruled Potter out in the future if something does come up, but do you guys think we will see another Potter novel, whether it be ten years from now, fifteen years from now? I don’t understand how she could have that much knowledge in her head and not want to go ahead and put it down on paper again if there is a good story that she can write.

Eric: I think what’s in her head are the bits and pieces, the fragments of stuff, like stuff that never made it into the first book because it’s not relevant. I think what she means when she said she still walks in and out of the walls of Hogwarts, and if there were a good story that came upon her as being worth telling she would tell it. I think what that means is she needs another central character because she’s done with Harry. So, where in the timeline and where in that world is there another kind of story that’s equally interesting, or that’s going to appeal to her in the same way that Harry’s hero’s journey over the course of seven years at Hogwarts arrested her and got her to tell it. So, I think that’s what it is. What she’s looking for is another character to follow, or another journey that…

Selina: Albus Severus.

Eric: Yeah, Albus Severus. It could be Harry’s direct kid or it could be somewhere else in the world at another school or maybe at an orphanage, [laughs] maybe at a senate seat of a high council.

Selina: Oh God. [laughs]

Eric: More political. It could be a more political book, it could be a vastly different book than Harry Potter but in his world, is what I…

Selina: That’s kind of true, and I never really thought about that because I always assumed if she was going to go back to Potter, she would either write about Harry’s children or Harry’s parents or the founders of Hogwarts. I never really assumed she would go anywhere else, but you’re absolutely right. She could write about Beauxbatons or something, we have no idea.

Andrew: She has said that Harry’s story is finished, so…

Selina: Right.

Eric: Yeah, so…

Andrew: We’ll never see more with Harry as the lead character. I do think if she does return to Harry Potter, it will be a while from now because she has said in these interviews that she has multiple books prepared in the pipeline and it seems like none of those are Harry Potter.

Eric: That’s true, although there is Pottermore, and I did want to ask you guys if you’ve continued or finished Chamber of Secrets on Pottermore yet because quite a bit of the book is available now, isn’t it?

Andrew: Yes. Yeah, I mean, I’ve been through it. We’re going to get the final Chamber of Secrets chapters this upcoming week.

Eric: Okay. The reason I ask is because I wondered about the new content that she continues to release on there. At least, for now, that seems to be the only place where we’re going to get Harry Potter content from Jo, though.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Eric: Summarizing those interviews that she said.

Andrew: It feels like an encyclopedia is very unlikely in the near future. I think Pottermore has to be completely finished before we can even start considering the idea of an encyclopedia happening.

Micah: Yeah, I agree. And I think, from what I remember going through, I know when the next set of chapters was released for Chamber of Secrets, I did start the process of going through and looking at the new information, but I don’t think I made it all the way through, so I’m not up to this next set of chapters that are going to be released in the upcoming week. But… and again, nothing kind of stood out to me, Andrew. I don’t know if it did to you, about those chapters. There’s no really big information that I can remember.

Andrew: No. Let me look through my notes. There was… they had… there was a new piece on King’s Cross Station, there was a new piece on purebloods, new piece on Peeves, new piece on Hogwarts ghosts, and new piece on Draco Malfoy. So, there were five new sections of writing from JK Rowling, which was cool. This next one is believed to have information on the Sword of Gryffindor, the Chamber of Secrets, and ghosts. Just in time for Halloween, appropriately enough.

Eric: Well, I’d like to know more on the Chamber of Secrets for sure.

Andrew: Well, if you can’t…

Micah: Well, follow the spiders.

Andrew: If you can’t wait, lucky for you, there is this… I’ve learned in the past week there is this Pottermore hacker…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: …and he got into the new Pottermore stuff early. And this guy is legit because he’s done it before. The content that he unearthed before is real.

Eric: Wow.

Andrew: His name is SnitchSpirit. He games the system to get all these extra points and stuff. It’s crazy. So, I have a link there in the show notes and it goes to a Google Doc. We didn’t publish it on Hypable because I didn’t need Pottermore knocking and being like, [in a stern voice] “Take that down, that’s illegal.”

Eric: Yeah, yeah.

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: But it’s still up on Google Docs, and we won’t read it yet. We should get back to going through some of this new content.

Eric: Sure.

Andrew: Because I… there’s a boatload of stuff. I mean, the Chamber of Secrets and the Sword of Gryffindor entries are pretty long. I imagine the ghosts entry is pretty long as well. And as you guys recall, in Halloween years past here on MuggleCast, we’ve done ghost-themed episodes.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: And actually, we’re all dressed up for this Halloween episode. It’s just that nobody can see us.

Selina: [laughs] It’s so cool!

[Andrew laughs]

Selina: I wish I could do it, too.

Andrew: We should take a… somebody can take another picture if you want, with the bigger screen.

Eric: Selina, you should still add some effects. See if you still can add some, like, facial hair to your green screen.

Andrew: I don’t think it will work, though, because Micah’s didn’t turn on until his full face was in the camera.

Selina: When I tried doing it before, I just started a drumroll by accident…

[Everyone laughs]

Selina: …which I’m sorry about.

Eric: If you… go to props. I think it just places a prop right in the middle no matter where you are.

Selina: Oh yeah, I see it.

Eric: With the birthday cake? Click it, see if… does that work?

Micah: But… and I don’t like saying this, but as it relates to Pottermore…

Selina: Yay!

Micah: …I’ve just… I’ve lost interest.

Andrew: In Pottermore?

Micah: Yeah, and I just don’t find myself running to the computer maybe as I did at the beginning to see what new information she’s going to put out there. It’s just…

Andrew: Really?

Micah: It’s not that exciting.

Eric: Well, that’s a personal choice. It’s your personal journey through Pottermore. I think what turned me off about the Chamber of Secrets was that they’re only releasing four chapters at a time, instead of doing a full book like they did with the first book.

Selina: Yeah.

Micah: Right.

Eric: So there’s that. But I know for a fact that one day when I’m feeling the Harry Potter vibe, I’m going to go in and read it all. I will do it. I’m not going to say that somehow they’re failing at interesting me. It’s my own personal thing. I’ve got plenty of things going on in my real life: joined a gym, trying to finish Casual Vacancy, all this other stuff.

Selina: [laughs] It’s a tough job.

Eric: It’s not ready for… I’m not ready for Pottermore yet. I’m going to let it in and I’m going to read it all, but probably only after all of it is released. Three chapters at a time thing is killing me.

Selina: For me I feel like it was so important while the show… while the series was still going on, it was so important for me to learn every tiny little detail. But now, I’m kind of with Micah in that I’m not so excited for every little piece of information, but I still really want to know about the characters. I still really want to know more about the backstories of all these people like McGonagall and everything, but things like how ghosts work and stuff kind of feels irrelevant to me now because we don’t need to use it for anything.

Eric: Yeah, because there’s not going to be a new story necessarily…

Selina: Right.

Eric: …where the ghosts… everything the ghosts were ever going to do in a Harry Potter book has already happened.

Selina: Mhm.

Eric: So, I guess that’s what you mean.

Selina: Yes, that’s what I mean.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I think they have to release the chapters in these batches of three or four at a time because that’s how people… that’s when their traffic spikes. And the Pottermore CEO said that. They’re trying to combat that right now, find out ways… figure out ways to get people coming back on a regular basis because they admitted that the traffic spikes when there are new chapters released, and rightfully so. I mean, imagine how much longer we would… okay, let’s say they release a whole book, you tear through it in like half an hour…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Forty-five minutes, and then you’re done for six months. See you later! [laughs]

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Right, they have to stagger it. That’s the whole point, I agree.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: And I like how they’ve taken a completely different approach. If you look at their marketing campaign, it’s changed a little bit. Now they’re trying to get people excited all over again with the whole “Follow the spiders.”

Andrew: Yeah, tell us about that. So, in all seriousness, did Pottermore… did they reach out to MuggleNet, like, “Hey, put these ads on your site”?

Micah: Yeah, pretty much. [laughs] That’s what they said. They said, “We’re kind of really trying to gear up and get people excited about the final chapters of Chamber of Secrets,” and I think that they’re going to probably look to do more of that, even, moving forward, because it gives something extra. It’s something that people can kind of reflect on at the same time, too, because maybe you remember it from the movies or you remember it from reading the books, and it’s a cool concept. Follow the spiders, see what happens.

Andrew: Definitely.

Micah: So…

Eric: [as Ron] “Why couldn’t it be follow the butterflies?”

Selina: Awww. [laughs]

Micah: I knew he was going to do that. I was waiting for somebody, and I figured Eric would do it.

Andrew: What else is in the news, Micah?

MuggleCast 259 Transcript (continued)


News: Harry Potter: The Exhibition Returns to NYC


Micah: Well, we talked…

Andrew: We’ll get back to Casual Vacancy in a bit.

Micah: Yeah, we talked about this a little bit – maybe it was the last episode – that Harry Potter: The Exhibition is returning to New York City after spending much time abroad – or maybe not much time abroad, depending on how you look at it – and it’s going to be here the… when is November 3rd? This week it returns. This Saturday, I want to say?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Nice.

Micah: To Discovery Times Square, and…

Andrew: Just in time for Election Day.

Micah: Yes, I’m sure that’s exactly what they were looking to line it up with. [laughs]

Andrew: No, for the holidays, actually.

Micah: For the holidays, and they have mentioned that there will be props from both Deathly Hallows movies, which there may not have been the first time around. Possibly from Part 1, but definitely there was nothing from Part 2. And they’re also going to look to do a couple of holiday themed areas in the exhibition, so…

Andrew: Oh.

Micah: …it should be fun.

Andrew: So, are you going to go again? You’ve been before, are you going to go again?

Micah: Yeah, I think I’ll go again just to see the new props, and the holiday stuff sounds cool.

Andrew: I haven’t been yet. Maybe I’ll have to go with you. Can we go on a date?

Micah: Yeah, sure.

Andrew: Yes!

Micah: Are you going to be back for the holiday season?

Andrew: Well, yeah, of course. [laughs] Yeah.

Micah: Are you going to visit the family?

Andrew: Thanksgiving and Christmas, yeah.

Eric: Oh man.

Micah: Can your sister come?

[Everyone laughs]

Selina: Oh my God.

Eric: This is just getting wildly off topic.

Andrew: No, but I…

Micah: And the rest of your family, of course.

Andrew: Right, of course. I haven’t been to the exhibition yet, so I’m interested in going to it. I was just curious if it…

Eric: I’m surprised you haven’t been.

Andrew: I’m just… well, it’s never been where I’ve been, you know what I mean? It was probably in New York while I was there, but I never… it was in New York while I was there but I was just like, “Yeah, whatever.” But this time I won’t take it for granted. I was just curious, Micah, as someone who has been before because I’m sure there are people listening who may ponder going again.

Micah: Yeah, I’m interested to know…

Andrew: How much?

Micah: …what the price tag on it is.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah, I haven’t taken a look. I know tickets are on sale already, but if you remember, the last time that this opened there was a huge DVD release and they…

Andrew: Right.

Micah: …kind of blew the whole thing out with the red carpet. The DVD was for… was it Deathly Hallows: Part 1, maybe, at that time?

Andrew: Yeah, it was Part 1. Mhm.

Micah: And it just happened to coincide with the opening of the exhibition in New York, so it was a really big, big event with a lot of the actors and actresses from the series.


News: Harry Potter Stopped Andy Murray from Reading


Andrew: I’ll do the last news story of the day because I wrote about it. Tennis star Andy Murray – I just wanted to bring this up because this is too funny to me – he was asked recently about his reading habits, and he blamed his lack of reading on Harry Potter. He said, “I don’t read books. I mean, I go on the Internet a lot and I read stuff online, but I don’t read books. I haven’t read a book since I was about fourteen, fifteen. I got halfway through the third Harry Potter book. It was the first one that was really, really big. It was like 600 pages. I stopped around 200. I haven’t read a book since then.”

[Andrew and Selina laugh]

Micah: Wow.

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: Well… [laughs]

Andrew: First of all, I think he was talking about Goblet of Fire, but nonetheless, how pathetic is this? [laughs]

Eric: This is bad. This is like… you know that phrase, “You can’t turn everybody”? This is just… this is one of those things. And he’s blaming the length of a Harry Potter book…

Andrew: I know.

Eric: …for his not reading? I’m sorry…

Andrew: That’s the best part. [laughs]

Eric: Well, the length? No, I’m saying there are much longer books out there – like Song of Ice and Fire, for instance – that I think are far more capable of turning people off reading due to their length. But yeah, Harry Potter is not a difficult read. Even if it’s… the only one that I ever found hard to get through was the fifth one, and that’s only just because there’s so much and I was rushing myself to do it in a short amount of time. I don’t know, this substance… I don’t get him.

Andrew: That’s an interesting…

[Random sound plays]

Andrew: Oops, sorry.

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: That’s an interesting question. Has anybody… Eric, why was number five so hard to get through? Just the length? What…

Selina: I loved the fifth one.

Andrew: Just the material, were you saying?

Eric: There were… in terms of pacing. Like “4.” There’s never a dull moment, I don’t think so, in Goblet of Fire. In Order of the Phoenix I think there are several moments, and as a reader you disagree with Harry, so it’s a lot slower to actually go through and enjoy and read. But no, I never would have stopped. I was still interested in the end the whole time, and of course it’s a middle book, so she had to close old holes and open up new plots and stuff, so it was very technical. It was like this is the book where you kind of have to do everything to set it up for the future books. So, it was very boring to read as a result, as opposed to being the exciting story that… for most of the book, Harry is really moody.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Voldemort, we don’t know… he’s back, but we don’t know what he’s up to, so…

Selina: Oh, this is too much… Once Upon a Time, I was going to call this. [laughs] There’s too much Order of the Phoenix hate. I love that book.

Andrew: Yeah, it’s my favorite.

Selina: Mine, too. Yay!

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: I like the movie, to be honest. I’m going to go out on a limb and say that.

Selina: I did, too. I thought it was a good distillation.

Andrew: I did not like the movie. Least favorite movie.

Selina: Aww.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: I think it was a needed distillation.

Andrew: Micah or Selina, did you have any trouble getting through a Harry Potter book ever?

Selina: No. [laughs] I’m going to say no. I was trying to think of one, but I was like, no.

Micah: I don’t think so, no.

Andrew: It’s hard for me to remember.

Micah: Here’s the thing, though. Having seen the movies first… well, I was going to say having seen the movies first, sometimes you try and rush through a book and want to just get it over with because you technically already know what happens. But I think in parts they are so different that you did learn more information.

Selina: Yeah.

Micah: In a way, I’m kind of comparing it…

Selina: Books are so much better.

Micah: Yeah, I’m kind of comparing it to the first book of A Song of Ice and Fire, Game of Thrones.

Selina: Yeah. [laughs]

Micah: I was rushing to get through that book. I couldn’t wait for it to end…

Selina: I think it’s exactly the same.

Micah: Because it’s exactly the same, exactly. So… but with Potter, no, I liked reading it. And I read I think it was the first five books in one summer before the next year Half-Blood Prince came out, so… nah, my answer is no.

Selina: Yeah, the only one that I did find I struggled to get through was the final one, but that was only because I didn’t want it to end, you know?

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Right.

Selina: [laughs] That’s really why. People kept dying and I was like, “I don’t want to read anymore if people are going to die!”

Andrew: Right, yeah. Harry Potter fan problems.

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: Don’t want it to end. Yeah, I know what you mean. I’ve suffered that. I think probably with Deathly Hallows I guess, yeah. But yeah, I can’t think of any book that’s particularly been difficult in terms of Harry Potter for me to get through. Okay, so I think…

Eric: Nothing like the wall I hit when I started reading Casual Vacancy.


Main Discussion: The Casual Vacancy


Andrew: [laughs] So, I think that’s it for Harry Potter news unless there’s anything else anybody want to bring up?

Micah: No. Let’s talk about The Casual Vacancy.

Andrew: Let’s talk about Casual Vacancy. Let me… I’ll start the conversation by explaining why I haven’t finished Casual Vacancy yet. I have decided I’m not going to finish the book.

Selina: [gasps] Dun, dun, dun!

Eric: What? Like ever? Ever, ever, ever?

Andrew: Ever. Ever. It’s on my bookshelf. I like having it there, it looks good. But I don’t understand why… I just… I realized a week or two ago that I shouldn’t be forcing myself to read a book I’m just not interested in. Why should I sit here and force myself to read this when I want to read other books? I’m reading Divergent by Veronica Roth right now, by the way.

Eric: Oh, okay.

Selina: Plug.

Andrew: But I just don’t understand why I would want to continue reading this. I’m not going to force myself to read a book just because it’s JK Rowling. I’m not going to convince myself I like it when I really don’t. And this is just my opinion. People enjoyed the book, and I’m glad they did. This is just my view of it.

[Cricket sounds play]

Eric: I agree you shouldn’t force yourself.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Did you have…

Selina: [laughs] Sorry.

Andrew: Good use of sound effects, Selina.

Selina: That was me! [laughs]

Eric: Oh, God.

Micah: What did you say, Eric?

Selina: I’m sorry.

Eric: Yeah, I agree that you shouldn’t force yourself to finish a book that you don’t want to finish, and…

[Prolonged silence]

Selina: Uh-oh.

Andrew: Did he drop?

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: He dropped. [laughs]

Micah: He froze.

Selina: Well, that’s fun with video. [laughs]

Andrew: So, Selina, why haven’t you finished the book?

Selina: No, I… Oh, God. I feel kind of the same way as you, even though I am going to finish it. But after our discussion last week, I actually left it feeling a lot more positive about the book. You know what I mean? I actually… we were discussing all of the things that I initially thought, “Ugh, this is…”

[Cricket sounds play]

Selina: [laughs] That’s not me this time. That I originally thought were a problem actually wasn’t a problem. It’s just a different book than Harry Potter, which… and a different book than I was expecting. I was expecting a thriller and it wasn’t a thriller. But then I was like, “Oh yeah, I’m going to finish it!” And then I just didn’t. [laughs] And then it became a thing where every time I sat down to finish it, the idea of it just made me so depressed because it made me depressed reading it the first time around. But it’s so stupid because I’ve got like sixty pages left. I am going to finish it. It just became a thing where it felt really negative and I didn’t want to go into it feeling down, you know what I mean?

Andrew: Mhm. But you do plan on finishing it.

Selina: I do.

Andrew: Okay. Eric, what was the second half of what you said? You froze up.

Eric: Oh, I… yeah. No, I plan on finishing it as well even though I haven’t. I feel like I need to validate the time I already spent on the book.

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: Right.

Eric: Not that it’s that terrible, either. I know by now… look, it’s a completely different book than what I was expecting and it’s not the type of book I would normally read. It’s going to be depressing, it’s going to upset me, reading it and hearing about nothing positive happening to the characters. Look, I like happy endings. That’s the bottom line. I know this book is not going to have one, but I feel like… again, doing this show, I feel like I need to because I read all of the Harry Potter books, I do feel like I need to read her next book. I feel compelled to understand her; I feel like it will help me to understand her better as an author, and also other stuff, where I just feel like I should and I have to finish it. But also I want to, so there’s that.

Andrew: Yeah. That’s fair.

Eric: I’m saying… good for you. Good for you for saying, “I’m not going to force myself to finish it.” Don’t, that’s fine.

Andrew: But you bring up a good point, too. I did read a couple of major spoilers about The Casual Vacancy, so I do know how [laughs] it ends. Now, Micah, what did you think of the book, as the brave soul who conquered it?

Micah: [laughs] Yeah, it was easy for me because I spend a lot of time going back and forth from the city, so I do have the ability to read it on the train casually, no pun intended. And I did feel it pick up as the book went along, and that was kind of one of the criticisms I feel like we got from people who had finished the book in a short period of time and were listening to our show, and they said, “Well, you guys have only read about a hundred pages. Is it really fair to do a review? Is it really fair to criticize the book overall?” And I actually liked it, at the end of the day. It’s very dark. There’s a lot of depressing things that happen along the way. There are some funny moments, too, but I don’t know what else to say other than I thought it was a really well-written book. I won’t call it a good book. It’s certainly something that you shouldn’t walk away feeling good about. I know JK Rowling said that she’d be shocked if people didn’t cry at the end.

Selina: Right.

Micah: I didn’t cry, but…

Selina: She would be shocked!

Micah: Yeah, I could certainly see why people would.

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: It is a very sad ending to the book.

Andrew: Yeah, I think Jo was expecting you to get really connected to her characters. That’s why you would cry, I think. So, it…

Selina: See… sorry, I didn’t mean to interrupt you. I was just going to say I think that is the thing that I’ve seen people have issue with, with this book. It’s not that it’s not well written, or that it’s not an engaging story, it’s that… I’ve had people respond to me on Twitter saying that basically it feels like they’re reading about a bunch of Dursleys. You know what I mean? [laughs] That’s what… and I totally see that. Once they said it, I was like, “Yes! That’s what it is. Most of these characters feel like Dursleys.” And maybe it is because it’s JK Rowling and we have been pre-taught that we’re not supposed to care about Dursleys. I don’t know what it is, but I found it really difficult to care about most of these characters.

Eric: There’s no hero among them.

Selina: Right.

Eric: Or the hero is… no, there’s no flawless hero. The hero among them is flawed, and it’s all this very big gray area. It’s not good versus evil, it’s evil versus slightly less evil, or a different kind of badness.

Selina: And there is Krystal, and she’s great, and I care about Krystal, but… and I care about some of the others as well, but it’s just… I don’t know. Yeah, sorry.

Micah: Yeah, I think the main hero, if you could even call him that, is not even in the story for the most part, and that’s Barry. He dies right at the start. And not to say that he was flawless, but he’s probably the closest to anything resembling a hero in the story, though I think Krystal is brought up. JK Rowling mentioned her, as she did mention Sukhvinder, if I’m saying that the right way…

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: Sukhvinder, yeah.

Micah: …because of how she acts at the end of the story, without giving anything away. But we lose that heroic-type figure within the first several pages of the book, and we learn later on that really, he was flawed because he neglected his family to really get behind this whole campaign as it related to… what’s the area called again?

Eric: The Fields.

Micah: The Fields, yeah.

Eric: But he was a champion for good, in general. He saw the best in these students no matter what their class was, and things like that. He was a good guy, and he seems to be one of the only good guys that there were in that town, which is a shame for that town. But ultimately, if I’m asking myself, “Well, what kind of book do I want to read today?” it’s not going to be about these kinds of characters. I think that JK Rowling’s book is more realistic than I would prefer, even, although it does take something, some skill, considerable skill, to take what is in the world, the difficult subjects to talk about, and actually make a book about them. But I realized when reading this that I very clearly prefer more fun, hobby…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: …less serious work. I really do. I need to be entertained. I can’t be gripped in this way by this type of medium.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Yeah, I don’t know.

Micah: Yeah, it’s very dark. And it’s a different kind of dark, I think, than Harry Potter, at certain points. And that’s not to say that there aren’t some kind of crossovers between the two books, but I really just feel like this is definitely an adult novel in every sense of the word, and if you go into it thinking that you’re going to get anything resembling Hogwarts or Harry, Ron, and Hermione, it’s just not going to be the case. And it shouldn’t be. That shouldn’t be the anticipation going in because this is a completely different book and a completely different set of circumstances and different characters.

Selina: Right.

Micah: And there’s no magic. At all.

Selina: It was a character study. A really long, drawn-out character study about how Barry and his death affected the lives of people. Normal people who were living normal lives, tragic lives. And that is great, but some people, especially people who are fans of stuff like Harry Potter, might not want to read something like that, and I think that’s fair enough.

Eric: Well, one of the reasons that I said to JK Rowling, “I love your simile and metaphor,” is because honestly, the metaphors in this book – or actually, more particularly the similes – are what get me through it. She talks about Samantha sliding into a landslide of pleasant drunkenness and stuff, and while I was reading that I was laughing because I’m like, “Oh, that’s a funny way of saying that.” That’s what was getting me through the book at certain points, were these words that JKR was using to describe what was actually happening. So, that for me was the uplifting… was the only humor in the book, really, is in the narration and the kinds of ways that the narrator views these characters as being contradictory or whatever.

Andrew: So, Micah, if somebody comes up to you and you talk about JK Rowling and Harry Potter or whatnot, do you recommend The Casual Vacancy to somebody? Would you recommend it to anybody? And if so, who? What type of person…

Micah: Have they read Potter?

Andrew: Yeah, let’s say they’ve read…

Micah: Are you saying a Potter fan comes up?

Andrew: Let’s say they’ve read Harry Potter, maybe they’re not a huge Harry Potter fan, they’re a casual… they’ve read the books. I mean, who would you recommend this book to? That’s the question I’m asking.

Micah: That’s a tough question…

Selina: Yeah.

Micah: …because I don’t know necessarily who this type of writing appeals to, and who this… these themes kind of appeal to on a larger sense. Because I don’t think it’s a book… and I said on the last show and I still believe in having finished it, it’s not a book that I would have picked up just off the shelf.

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: So, that’s what makes it hard for me to recommend it to any one person who likes a certain type of literature. This is kind of very real. You get a real sense of these characters and who they are because you see them behind closed doors and you see inside their minds on a regular basis, and you know who they are and the raw individual of who they are and how they operate. And I think it’s just a larger depiction of society as a whole and how everybody has issues that they deal with, and these are just very real descriptions of people, and that’s not always that fun to read, in my opinion.

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: This is actually the type of story that I could see going on a curriculum…

Micah: Yeah.

Selina: …of some sort. You know what I mean? It reminds me a lot of… in Danish schools we read a lot of social commentary, kitchen sink stuff, like The Bell Jar or some book about a boy who lived in the ’50s and had a fish, and then you read all about this fish, and then the fish dies, and then the book ends, and you’re like, “Okay, [laughs] what did I just read?” That’s the type of story that it is, which is just teaching you about regular life, regular people going through regular… it’s kind of teaching you about human emotion.

Micah: Yeah. And it’s… whether you’re talking about Andrew’s father – not your dad, Andrew…

Andrew: Oh.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: …who’s just a complete and utter brutalizer. He beats his children, he beats his wife, and then you switch over to… is it the Mollisons who he has this really… is it the Mollisons? Who’s… and this is part of the problem too, I think, is I can never get all the characters lined up in a row, with the exception of a few. The one who goes through these really… it’s Fats’ father.

Eric: That’s Cubby. Cubby Wall.

Micah: Cubby, yeah, who goes through these moments of pure anxiety, and these are real things that people deal with, whether you’re talking about domestic violence or you’re talking about anxiety and fears, and things like that. You kind of strip everything away from these characters, with the exception of when you see them out in the delicatessen, or you see them out at some sort of event that’s taking place throughout the little town that we’re in.

Eric: Well, interestingly if this book were to be assigned reading, like in a curriculum, like Selina said, the topic was touched on in New York at the Koch Center when JK Rowling was asked to really prescribe an age limit to her book about what age she feels Casual Vacancy is appropriate for, and the result was… and Jo is the last person to say, “You need to be this age to read this book,” but she feels that it’s right around… the correct age of maturity to deal with the older and admittedly adult issues of this book was about 15 or 16, she said. A 15- or 16-year-old girl could possibly be able to handle this book. So, we’re looking at… if it’s in the US schools, junior/senior year of high school this would be a book that Jo feels would be the right age to have that book be read. And we’ve got an email about that, actually, about a listener who we’ll read in just a couple of minutes, but she’s a little younger. And I know that Keith Hawk, for instance, from MuggleNet, his daughter went to the JK Rowling event for Casual Vacancy. She has a signed copy of it, but he is not allowing her to read it for several years as a parenting issue, and I completely, actually support that. She understands that, too, that it’s a little adult for her at this point. So, I find that interesting that there were people in attendance that were too young for it, that their parents were… are still not going to let them read it, and JKR herself recommends an older age group for this book.

Micah: Right. Well, I agree with that, and I think, when you look at the themes, that’s a reason why. And it’s not to say that they won’t understand them, necessarily, but I think to be exposed to them at that age is certainly questionable. So, there’s a lot of dark stuff that happens in this book.


Muggle Mail: The Casual Vacancy Feedback


Andrew: Well, let’s get to the emails now. This is from Rebecca, 32, of Missouri, and she writes:

“I think it’s wrong to assume that most of the readers of ‘Harry Potter’ would not be interested in this new novel. I’ve always been a big reader and was 19 or 20 before I read the first ‘Harry Potter’ book. Until then, I was never a fan of anything fantasy. In fact, I first discounted it because it was fantasy. I think people need to give the new book a chance. I feel like the book was clearly not going to be anything like ‘Harry Potter’ and to expect such was wrong on the part of the readers. It can’t be compared to ‘HP’ on any level. The only similarity is the author.”

Did anybody say it was going to be… I don’t know if anybody was like, “Oh, it’s going to be similar to Harry Potter.”

Selina: No. I don’t think… the only thing I thought… I made an assumption about this book. I thought it was going to be a mystery novel.

Andrew: Mhm.

Selina: And, of course, maybe I shouldn’t have done that, but it was hard not to when there was no information released about the book at all before it was released, you know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: I think we could guess that it wasn’t going to be anything like Harry Potter, but I at least thought it would be uplifting, and it wasn’t.

Selina: Right.

Eric: So, there’s that, and that is my response to this email, is…

Andrew: That’s fair.

Eric: …look, whoever is… the reader… the writer of this email said she’s always been a big reader. That’s great. I haven’t been. HP was the reason I started reading and was the reason I actually appreciate any book. It ties back to Harry Potter, and one of those reasons is that Harry Potter is very uplifting. This book, I see it as a crafty depiction of real-world reality and real villains and the variety of bad people in the world, but it’s not for a minute something that I think that I would prescribe to another Harry Potter fan simply because the Harry Potter books are so uplifting and rewarding, and this book is not. So, that’s why I wouldn’t recommend it to a Harry Potter fan because it doesn’t give me the same warm feeling that those books do. And that has nothing to do with fantasy. It has everything to do with the type of characters.

Micah: Yeah, and I think the inclination though, coming in, is to compare Potter to it, whether it’s fair or not, and that’s just the way that things were going to go – primarily, I think, with the media because they love to do that kind of thing. And when you create what can arguably be called the most successful book series of all time – at least of this generation; there’s nothing else close – and then you write another book, it’s going to be compared, and that’s the way that it goes.

Andrew: Next email is from Ally K, 31, of South Australia.

“I had not read much of ‘The Casual Vacancy’ when I listened to Podcast 258 because I also had been finding it difficult to get into, and following all the characters was confusing. I started to feel that perhaps I would actually not enjoy this book at all. How wrong I was! I have now just finished and I need to talk about it so badly. Oh my God, what a story. Very grim, very raw, but unfortunately very real. I have been utterly touched by the lives of yet another set of Rowling’s characters. If you have not finished it yet, I urge you to keep on. It gets better as you continue along. Having said that, the story is so very depressing that I do not feel any need whatsoever for a sequel story. As a little side note, I kept thinking of Frank McCourt’s ‘Angela’s Ashes’ as I was reading it, and felt it had a similar tone and similar issues. Love the podcast! Keep up the good work.”

So yeah, I mean, I guess the best part about this book is that it is real, and that’s why it is such a great story because real stories don’t always end in happiness like Harry Potter did, to some extent.

Eric: Right.

Andrew: So, could you argue in that case that the book is good in that it is real? Jo doesn’t…

Selina: Sure.

Andrew: …cut edges to…

Selina: Sure.

Andrew: …cut corners to make a happy ending. You know what I mean?

Selina: I think it definitely… that makes it a really unique, raw piece of social commentary, but there’s a difference between a book being good and someone enjoying it. Does that make sense?

Andrew: Yeah, definitely. Next email is from Katarina, 23, of Salt Lake City.

“Hey MuggleCasters, it was great hearing about ‘The Casual Vacancy’ this episode. Just curious what your thoughts are if JKR had written and released ‘Casual Vacancy’ before the ‘Harry Potter’ series. Would our image of her be different?”

Eric: Yes.

Selina: Probably.

Andrew: First of all, we wouldn’t know… yeah, that’s an interesting question because The Casual Vacancy… I guess we would all have tried to read The Casual Vacancy after reading Harry Potter, right?

Selina: We would probably have assumed that, in Harry Potter, it was going to get a lot more realistic, there were going to be a lot more… like Harry and the Dursleys, there were going to be a lot more hard-cutting truths about what actually went on there, you know? The kind of abuse that were… some people are assuming that he went through, and that I think Jo has even said that he went through, and I think as the characters grew older we probably would have expected to see more… not rated stuff, that’s not the right way of putting it. You know what I mean, though? Just a bit less for children.

Micah: I don’t think The Casual Vacancy gets written without Harry Potter, meaning that I don’t think this book ever would have been written by itself, by JK Rowling, because I never… it’d be very hard for it to gain traction, and I think…

Selina: That’s a good point.

Eric: Well, she wasn’t looking for traction when she wrote Harry Potter, though, either.

Micah: Yeah, but this doesn’t have mass appeal, in my opinion.

Eric: Oh, okay.

Micah: Whereas Harry Potter does, and did. She talked a little bit about this during the event at Lincoln Centre and talked about how she has continued to use publishers as opposed to just self-publishing because she could have really self-published this book if she chose to. She wouldn’t have had that luxury if this was her first novel, and I just can’t see this having the same level of success and allowing the door to open for Harry Potter. I think Harry Potter opened the door for this book to be made.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, I can’t imagine how this book would have sold if it didn’t have JK Rowling’s name on it. It’s an interesting question. It’s something that I would definitely want to know the answer to, but we will never know. Next email is from Jacqueline, 19, of New Hampshire:

“Hi, I’m a long-time listener so first, thank you for all your hard work you put into the podcast. I’m one of those people who’d probably have picked up ‘The Casual Vacancy’ without…”

[laughs] Speaking of the subject.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: [continues]

“…JK Rowling’s name attached. I like the subject of class warfare, I’m interested in politics, and I love character-driven stories. I was a bit disappointed you didn’t feel the same. That’s not why I’m writing, though. You spoke on the subject of how centric the novel was to areas in Britain, and how Americans would gain more insight from it than Europeans. I have to disagree. I live in statistically one of the richest states. However, I probably live in one of the smallest, most poverty-stricken towns within that state, though seemingly picturesque. Pagford and the Fields constantly reminded me of my town, with the neighboring, more affluent towns being Yarvil. Perhaps this is why I found the book so relatable. I went to school with Krystal Weedons and my best friend’s dad is Simon Price. One of ‘The Casual Vacancy”s greatest strengths, in my opinion, is its complete honesty and portrayal of reality. This reality of poverty and drug abuse and absent parenting, et cetera, isn’t confined to any region, county, or place.”

Eric: Okay, I can see that.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: So, Jacqueline is then the perfect example of the person you would recommend this book to. [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Micah: Based on the fact that she says she likes these types of novels…

Andrew: Class warfare.

Micah: Right. And yeah, I agree with her. I think that one of the things that stands out for this particular book is its portrayal of reality, and how honest it really is. It really strips people down and shows who they are at their very core.

Eric: I can see that if you knew somebody, or lived in a town that was like Pagford, and you knew people like this… and I’m sure we all actually know somebody like at least one of these characters, to be honest.

Selina: Mhm.

Eric: But I can see how that would help you to either get through the issue… to not feel so alone, that somebody else gets it, because there are quite a lot of unsavory people in this book, and knowing that somebody can lay them bare and strip their secrets out for other people to read about is actually quite comforting.

Selina: Right.

Eric: That we’re all human in our own very, very deeply flawed way. So, there’s that.

Selina: Yeah, that’s a good point.

Eric: I’ll take the next email from Lily. This is the girl who wrote in about her age. She’s 12 from Australia. She says:

“Dear MuggleCast, I am a new ‘Harry Potter’ fan as I am only 12. Now that JK Rowling has released ‘The Casual Vacancy’, I cannot read it because my parents said I was too young. She…”

Meaning JK Rowling.

“…always said she wanted to get children reading, so why do you think that she wrote a book for adults? Thank you. Love the show. Lily.”

So, I think there’s a very quick misunderstanding here, where I think she already did get children reading with the Harry Potter books. And I don’t think that her only goal ever, being an author, was to just get children reading. That was a very fortunate side effect for her previous work. But I think ultimately JK Rowling’s goal, as an author, is the same as any author which is to write, and anything, and really exercise and say things that are important and whatever message that happens to strike you at the time.

Andrew: And also, I think JK Rowling cannot write for children forever. She wants to… she has the freedom now to write for whoever she wants. So, that’s the simple answer, Lily. I’m sure, in time, you may understand it a little bit more. But don’t worry, it’s not because… she doesn’t hate you or she’s changed her mind or anything. She just wants to write a novel for adults…

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: …just like we now do podcasts for different audiences.

Selina: And I think there are other cases… Lily, you’re 12 now. When we started reading Harry Potter, we were 12. You know what I mean? We… JK Rowling probably wants to write for an audience that has grown… that were Harry Potter fans when they were young adults and now are adults.

Andrew: I started reading Harry Potter last year.

[Eric laughs]

Selina: Right. [laughs] Well, you’re doing a good job of hiding it.

Eric: You’ve faked it pretty well for six years there, Andrew.

Selina: Right. I believed it.

Andrew: Thank you. Thanks guys.

Micah: All right, and the last email from Francesca who is, quote, “Your mom’s age.”

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: And she’s from Italy, and she says:

“Hi guys, I had the luck to get tickets to see JKR’s first presentation of her new book at the Queen’s Hall in the UK on September 27th. As usual, wherever she is, the place was just overflowing with her fans. JKR was great to see in person, and what a great person she is. She presented her book and explained why she decided to complete this different type of storytelling. I got the impression that she is still dealing with the death of her mom and issues of her own childhood. The book needs to be read as it is without thinking of the ‘Harry Potter’ world. I am enjoying it. We will probably never again get anything similar to ‘HP’ from her. Leaky was there and was so hoping to have seen you guys from MuggleNet. It would have made the entire evening complete. Thanks again for the podcast. I’ve been following you guys from day one and travel with your podcast whenever I’m on the road. Thanks for the hours of listening pleasure. Francesca.”

Andrew: Cool. Well, I’m glad to hear it was a good time over there in London. JK Rowling did a Harry Potter event at Queen Elizabeth Hall years ago, so kind of cool that she got to go there again for a different book.

Eric: Yeah.

MuggleCast 259 Transcript (continued)


Listener Tweets: The Casual Vacancy Feedback


Andrew: Okay, let’s get through these tweets real quick. More questions about The Casual Vacancy. This is from Energezer:

“If Jo wrote a sequel to ‘The Casual Vacancy’, I know there won’t be, but would you read it?”

My answer is no!

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Wow.

Andrew: Well, I haven’t read the first one, so of course I’m not going to read the sequel.

Eric: Yeah, yeah, I guess that’s fair.

Andrew: Micah, would you read a Casual Vacancy sequel, as the person who finished it?

Micah: Umm…

Selina: What would that even be called? The Casual Occupancy?

Eric: Ooh.

Micah: There you go. Write your own, Selina.

Selina: There you go. [laughs] I’ll write it. Fan fiction.

Andrew: What if Barry comes back from the dead?

Selina: [gasps] See, then… that I would read.

Micah: Well, if you read the book, actually, he kind of does.

Andrew: No, shut up.

Eric: Whoa.

Selina: Spoiler. [laughs]

Micah: Right, Selina?

Eric: Andrew…

Selina: Yes.

Micah: That’s not spoiling it.

Eric: Andrew, the ones we love never truly leave us.

Andrew: Oh, what is this?

Selina: Aww.

Andrew: [unintelligible] or something?

Micah: Would I read the sequel? Yeah, I probably would.

Eric: Really?

Micah: Yeah.

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: PottermoreNews7, a good source for Pottermore news, by the way:

“Not related to ‘The Casual Vacancy’, but when do you think JK Rowling will publish her next novel?”

My guess is some time next year, late next year.

Selina: I’m going to say 2014.

Andrew: Ooh. Yeah, but think about it…

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: …the children’s book, it will be shorter, so it won’t be too much harder to get edited and whatnot.

Selina: That’s true, but… and you might be right. She might do it, especially if it’s a children’s book. She might want it out in time for the holidays next year.

Andrew: The holidays, yeah.

Selina: Yeah. But in some ways, after The Casual Vacancy, if she has publicists… if I was a publicist, I might tell her to hold off a bit, you know what I mean? Because it’s going to be so different from that. But yeah, I can see what you mean. It might come out next year.

Andrew: Any other guesses?

Micah: No. I agree, Andrew. Probably some time next year. If she’s already got it done… but probably not until later, later on in the year.

Selina: Hmm.

Andrew: Next is from mr_lucien:

“JK Rowling managed to transfer my sympathies from the Mollisons to the Weedons within 100 pages. This novel is incredible!”

Eric: Yeah, there are certainly strong forces at play in the book that stir emotion within the reader, and I think at that, it is very strong. So, there is that. And I’ve had those moments, too, where I think that moments… things that happen in the book are, on the whole, pretty cool. But it doesn’t change how I overall feel about the book.

Andrew: Sean Aminali says:

“Words cannot even begin to express how much I hated ‘Casual Vacancy’. ‘Harry Potter’ fans, be honest with yourselves. This book was rubbish.”

Eric: I don’t think it’s fair to call that rubbish.

Andrew: Well, I don’t think it’s…

Selina: No.

Andrew: …fair to call it rubbish for everybody. Like, you can’t make a blanket statement saying, oh, this book… I don’t like this book so everybody else won’t like it either.

Eric: No.

Selina: No, I agree.

Andrew: Sage McKay says:

“What are your favorite storylines? Mine are the ones involving the teens.”

When I was reading it, I didn’t enjoy the teens. How about you guys?

Eric: You said you didn’t?

Selina: Really?

Andrew: Did. Did enjoy the teens.

Eric: Oh, did. Okay.

Selina: Oh, right. I enjoyed Krystal’s story, obviously, and Sukhvinder… I guess “enjoyed” is a strange way to put it [laughs] but I preferred reading Sukhvinder and Krystal, and also… what is Sukhvinder’s mother’s name? Parminder?

Eric: Parminder.

Selina: Parminder. I enjoyed reading about her as well.

Eric: I liked Parminder who’s closest to Barry, obviously.

Selina: Right.

Eric: And Samantha, I really enjoy.

Selina: Really?

Eric: Flaws and all.

Selina: Well, she was great. I guess she was really well written, but… ooh. [laughs]

Eric: She was sardonic.

Selina: Right.

Eric: It was really enjoyable for me to read.

Micah: Yeah, I pretty much agree. I liked the teen storylines. Poor Andrew trying to get with… is it Gaia?

Selina: Gaia.

Micah: The whole time, and his pursuit there. Fats was an interesting character, too. He was kind of the comic relief throughout most of the story. But I found the adults… they were just too boring at points.

Selina: Yeah, I guess you’re right because they are mostly… I guess the real interesting… is that too spoilerish to say? Cut it out if it is. But the real interesting thing about The Casual Vacancy is how even though it’s a book for adults, it’s ultimately the children who drive the story forward.

Eric: That’s exactly what…

Selina: You know what I mean?

[Eric laughs]

Selina: So… huh?

Micah: That’s true. Yeah, you’re right.

Eric: A friend of mine said that.

Selina: Right, but it’s true, so I feel like that’s probably why the adults… they only really react to what the children are doing, which is probably why the children, or the teenagers, are more interesting to read about.

Eric: Hmm.

Andrew: Geoffrey Hutton says:

“Do you guys think that JK could have made ‘Casual Vacancy’ better by toning down the language/sex a little?”

No.

Selina: Hmm.

Micah: I don’t think that it’s really relevant…

Andrew: Definitely.

Micah: …in the larger picture. It’s there because it’s part of life, and what did she say at the event at Lincoln Center? That the difference between the sex in this book and 50 Shades of Grey is that…

Andrew: It’s porn.

Eric: Nobody here enjoys it. [laughs]

Micah: Nobody in this book enjoys it, yeah. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: So, yeah. It’s just… the language, I mean…

Andrew: It is what it is.

Micah: But you know what? That’s how people talk!

Eric: Yeah!

Micah: I mean, go out and listen to any conversation on the street or in a restaurant, or even when you’re at home or you’re out with your friends, that’s the way people talk.

Eric: Yeah, you can never make a book better by neutering the characters. You know?

Micah: Or can you?

Eric: Or can you?

[Micah and Selina laugh]

Andrew: Lynn writes:

“Where you guys at all surprised Sukhvinder ended up being one of the heroes of the story?”

Don’t spoil it too much.

Eric: Yeah, if that happens…

Micah: But you’re not going to read it, Andrew.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Andrew: No, I’m saying for the listeners.

Micah: Oh, okay.

Eric: Well, don’t spoil it for me either. If that does happen, I’m very pleased and that might be the closest thing to an uplifting story in the book, I’m guessing.

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: Because she is in a very, very bad situation where I am in the book.

Micah: Yeah, I wasn’t surprised necessarily. I thought it was really well written, that part.

Andrew: And Yuval writes:

“Do you agree that even though the book was hard to get into in the first 200 pages, the next 300 were absolutely fantastic?”

Eric: I’ll get back to you, Yuval.

Micah: I don’t know if “fantastic” is the word I would use. Would you, Selina?

Andrew: Did it pick up? Did it get better?

Micah: Yeah, like I said earlier, it definitely picks up – to me, anyway – it moved a little bit faster than the character introduction at the beginning. Again, it’s very well written, but it’s very, very dark.

Selina: Yeah.

Micah: So, I don’t know if “fantastic” [laughs] is the word I would use to describe the last 300 pages.

[Andrew laughs]

Selina: No, I agree with you. I don’t think… people kept saying it was getting better, and maybe I was just reading it with the thought of “Oh, surely it gets better.” [laughs] I think… as Micah said, I can only say the same thing. This is a very well written book. This is a very carefully, geniously constructed piece of literature. But I would not use the word “fantastic” to describe it.


Show Close


Andrew: Well, I think that wraps up MuggleCast Episode 259. We have a quick plug here. Somebody…

Micah: Yes.

Andrew: Tell us about this plug. What is this plug?

Micah: Well, there is this fan group up at York University – which I believe is in Canada – and they had written in to us. They have a group there called “The Ministry of Magic” and they just wanted to let other Potter fans in the area know that they do have this group and that they have four main sections: a general Harry Potter fan group, a Nerdfighter section, an actual Quidditch team, and an official HPA chapter – Harry Potter Alliance chapter. So, if you’re in that area, just check it out. I think there’s a lot of these throughout the country, throughout the world…

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: …that develop at colleges, universities, even high schools. So, be sure to take a look in your area and see if there are these types of groups for you to take advantage of.

Andrew: Speaking of that, actually, there’s going to be a fun event happening in SoCal this upcoming weekend: Harry Potter Bowling Night. [laughs]

Eric: Oh.

Micah: Are you going? You should go.

Andrew: Yeah, I’m going. Of course.

[A long, dramatic sound plays]

Eric: You’ve got to go.

Andrew: In Torrance, California. Wow, complete with cool sound effects.

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: Let me bring up the little event here. “November 3rd, 8 PM. The Los Angeles Dumbledore’s Army who brought you Harry Potter Skate Night [are] putting on the first ever Harry Potter Bowling Night…”

Selina: That’s so cute. [laughs]

Andrew: “…at PV Bowl in Torrance, California. Enjoy a night of well mannered family friendly bowling frivolity along with Harry Potter music, costume contest -” and get this, the best part; this is the reason I’m going – “Butterbeer, and for wizards 21 years and older, Harry Potter themed cocktails.” Sold! I am sold!

Eric: Wow.

Andrew: Harry Potter drinks? Get at me. So… [laughs]

Eric: Bowling and cocktails.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Just don’t forget to kill the spare.

[Everyone fake laughs]

Micah: Nice, that was good.

Andrew: So, it’s $11 and includes shoes and one game of bowling. Obviously, the drinks and the other stuff may be extra. One game of bowling? That’s nothing.

Eric: Yeah, that’s…

Andrew: They should give you more games. But anyway, be there or be a Muggle. If you’re on Facebook, you can search “Harry Potter Bowling Night.” 129 people RSVP’d.

Eric: What?!

Andrew: So, that means half will go.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: So, about 70. It will probably be pretty big. I mean, they’re renting out the whole bowling alley, so it should be fun.

Eric: Cool.

Andrew: And of course the MuggleCast website, MuggleCast.com. From there you can follow us on Twitter, Twitter.com/MuggleCast, like us on Facebook, Facebook.com/MuggleCast, the fan Tumblr, MuggleCast.Tumblr.com, and of course you can use the MuggleCast website to contact us via email, of course we take your tweets, all these things. Should we plug another podcast? Of course we have Game of Owns, the Game of Thrones podcast.

Selina: Yay!

Andrew: Now three times a week! Woo!

Eric: Woo!

Andrew: Look out!

Micah: Oh, yeah.

[Andrew and Selina laugh]

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: You could get more of that! [laughs]

Micah: And we have a very special week coming up soon that we’ll be promoting a little bit more on our Game of Owns’s assets…

Andrew: Oh, yeah!

Micah: …but we’re officially coining it… isn’t it Hodor Week?

Eric: Hodor Week!

Selina: Hodor Week!

Eric: [as Hodor] Hodorrrrr…

Micah: We’re going to be joined by Kristian Nairn, I think… is that the right way to pronounce his name?

Selina: Nairn?

Micah: Nairn? Narn?

Selina: He’ll tell us.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: He’ll tell us. We have trouble pronouncing things on that show anyway, so we’ll just add it to the list.

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: I’m glad I’m not alone.

Micah: But he’ll be joining us for our three weekly episodes and we look forward to that. We hope our listeners do as well.

Andrew: If you’re a fan of fantasy, which I imagine you are, maybe you like Once Upon a Time, the show on ABC. Selina does a show, Onceable, on Hypable.

Selina: Yeah!

Andrew: Onceable, Hypable. [laughs]

Selina: Yeah, see what we did there?

Andrew: Yeah. And you release a new episode after every new episode of Once Upon a Time to discuss it.

Selina: Mhm.

Andrew: Good stuff.

Eric: Is it true that they have Captain Hook on that show now?

Selina: It is true.

Eric: Oh.

Selina: Speaking of Captain Hook, Eric are you wearing eyeliner?

Eric: Uhhh… [laughs] yes.

[Selina laughs]

Eric: Because I was the Joker last night…

Selina: Right.

Eric: …and that required a little bit of eyeliner, and I still haven’t figured out quite to get it off.

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: We’ll have to do… next time we have a reason to do a live MuggleCast, we’ll have to use Google Hangout and record it because you can record the video.

Eric: This is quite fun, actually.

Andrew: It is fun.

Eric: I have enjoyed seeing Micah in his scuba gear and devil horns, and you and your crown and curly-q mustaches…

Selina: Oh no, this is fun.

Eric: …and Selina’s…

Micah: Birthday cake.

Andrew: Just for the cake.

Eric: Selina’s one-candle cake.

[Micah laughs]

Selina: I know, I’m going to have to find a computer that works.

Micah: It is cool because normally we never see each other when we record, unless it’s a live show.

Andrew: I do prefer it that way, but…

Micah: Yeah.

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: …I just wanted to try this. We’ll never do this again. No, I’m kidding. This is actually a great way to do it.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Micah: It is.

Andrew: So, thanks everybody for listening. We’ll see you next time for the big 2-6-0. Goodbye!

Eric: 2-6-0.

Selina: Bye!

Micah: Bye!

Transcript #258

MuggleCast 258 Transcript


Show Intro


[“Hedwig’s Theme” plays]

Andrew: Because for the first time in years we have a brand new J.K. Rowling book to discuss, this is MuggleCast Episode 258 for September 30th, 2012.

[Show music begins]

Andrew: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 258. This is very exciting because for the first time – we are here on a Harry Potter podcast, but not talking primarily about Harry Potter because our queen, J.K. Rowling, has written a new book, The Casual Vacancy, and it’s now available. But first I want to say: Micah, Eric, and Selina, thank you for helping the show, Episode 257.

Selina: [laughs] You’re welcome.

Eric: We just had all that news to get through, Andrew. I’m sure you were so upset listening to it that you weren’t on to talk about all of that ridiculous news.

Andrew: I have to say, I enjoyed listening. It was fun to listen.

Eric: Well, I enjoyed hearing you pop in.

Andrew: Oh, thank you. [laughs]

Eric: [laughs] To do the book recommendation, actually.

Micah: Speaking of, today’s episode is brought to you by Audible.com.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: The Casual Vacancy.

Eric: Oh, is that what you’re going to suggest now?

Andrew: No, actually there is no Audible ad.

Eric: Oh, come on.

Andrew: [laughs] So, there won’t be. I wonder if – is it already – it doesn’t look like it’s available on audiobook form yet. I’m doing a search – oh, yes it is. Never mind.

Eric: Who is – sorry, did we already say who is actually narrating it?

Andrew: Tom Hollander.

Eric: Yes, of course.

Andrew: Let’s listen to the sample. Why not? Here it comes. Spoiler alert.

[Audio (Tom Hollander)]: Part One. 6.11 A casual vacancy is deemed to have occurred: a) when a local councillor fails to make his declaration…

Eric: This is riveting.

[Audio (Tom Hollander)]: …of acceptance of office within the proper time…

[Andrew laughs]

[Audio (Tom Hollander)]: …or b) when his notice…

Micah: It’s like watching PBS.

Andrew: PBS? Yeah.

Eric: I feel like I’m learning to speak French right now.

Andrew: This is NPR.

Selina: I used this for my media law course last year. I’m learning so much about stuff. [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] So – okay. Well said. So, we are going to talk about The Casual Vacancy today, and one of the best parts about J.K. Rowling releasing this new book is that she’s done a bunch of interviews about the book, and about Harry Potter, and even some other strange topics. And later on in the show, we also have an interview with John Noe and Bre Bishop. They have a new documentary about to be released called Finding Hogwarts. You guys have heard about this, right?

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: So, I spoke to them, recorded an interview, and that will be later on in the show. It was a fun talk with them about…

Micah: It’s in Orlando. It couldn’t be very hard to find.

Andrew: [laughs] Well, they actually shot this before the park opened up so they had to look elsewhere for it.

Micah: Oh. That’s unfortunate.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Micah: That could have saved them a lot of money.

Andrew: [laughs] Yes, yes. So, are we going to start with Casual Vacancy talk then? I guess so.

Micah: Why not?

Andrew: Because it’s the big topic.

[Selina laughs]


The Casual Vacancy Discussion: Initial Thoughts


Andrew: We do have to throw in a little bit of a disclaimer. As we know, this is an adult book and there were some adult topics in the story, and now – so we will address some of those and there may be some more adult language on the show than we normally use. However, we will say we aren’t going to spoil you because honestly, shocking revelation, none of us have actually finished the book.

[Eric gasps]

Andrew: And the reason for that may come along in this show. [laughs]

Eric: Well, we’re recording this ñ we’ll probably release it later, won’t we? Today.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Like part of doing it direct to video ñ on Sunday and the book only came out on Thursday, in the middle of the day. I, for one ñ I’ve worked every single day since it came out, so I have not been able to finish the book.

Andrew: And we purposely delayed recording this until Sunday because we wanted to have time to finish reading it, and I guess this is where our initial thoughts come in to start off this conversation. It is a book that most Harry Potter fans will have zero interest in.

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: Zero interest?

Andrew: Yeah. Because the topic ñ the reason we all read it is because it was written by J.K. Rowling. That’s the only reason. I never would have picked up a book about a small town named Pagford in England and they’re replacing somebody on the town council. It just would not interest me. So, I have been trying to get through it and it just has not captured my attention yet. I have heard that people ñ that it does pick up later on in the story, but I’ve yet to reach that point. Now, Selina has gone furthest into the book thus far, and as somebody who is ñ you’re what, less than a hundred pages from finishing? How are you feeling about it?

Selina: Well yeah, I’ve done my ñ [laughs] I’ve tried so hard to finish before we started this recording because I felt like someone should, but it ñ I feel like ñ and these are, of course, only our initial thoughts on it, but I feel like – this is not a bad book. It’s not badly written, it’s not ñ for me, it’s just not a story that needed to be told. Because you talk about some authors writing about real events and writing as though this is reality and I sort of – there comes a point when you think, “Well okay, if I wanted reality to this extent, I would just go outside.” I feel like…

Eric: Whoa.

Andrew: What?

Selina: It’s true, though, isn’t it? No, okay, not right here. [laughs] Not this kind of reality. But I feel like you just ñ I don’t want to be negative because I don’t think that it’s a bad book. It’s just that I’m reading it and I’m thinking, “Sometimes there are stories that don’t need to be told,” and I’m not sure I’m enjoying the experience of reading. But that doesn’t mean that other people can’t be.

Eric: Yeah. I found the story to be a little slow-going for me, too. And not that it’s slowly-paced or anything, but I’m finding it a lot harder to mull through, to mull over, to get through, than any of the Harry Potter books. And that’s a given, and part of that could be due to the subject. To your point, Selina, I think there is some sort of ñ it’s an art, though, to capture what’s actually in the outside world and put it in a book. So, these characters that are quite a bit older than Jo’s previous set of characters, that are running around the real world conniving and scheming and calling each other into question – to actually put that in a book is where the art and the craftsmanship that Jo is conducting here. That’s where that comes in. So, even though it is a book about real life, I think the fact that we can read it on the page and go ñ because at several points so far, in the book, I’ve gone, “Wait a minute, Jo is in my head. How could she possibly know what my high school experience was like?” But there are points in the school, in this book, where I’m thinking, “Oh my God, that easily could have been taken out of a page of my life story, back from in my classroom.”

Selina: That’s not what I’m saying, though. All I’m saying is that – that’s what I said. What she’s writing, what she’s written in this book, is really well done. I really think she’s done an amazing job writing this book. I’m just thinking that the story as a whole ñ you know what I mean? There is no story there. There is no story. And I know to some extent it’s about the small actions of a small-town group of ultimately completely insignificant people. But it’s just ñ I don’t know. It’s just that I’m reading this, thinking, “What am I gaining? What am I getting out of reading it? What am I learning about myself and about life?” Maybe – that is going to be different for a lot of people. I don’t just like Harry Potter, I like a lot of different kinds of books. And I guess it just isn’t for me, but that’s not Jo’s problem, that’s my problem. Does that make sense?

Andrew: Yeah. Micah, I’d like to think you are the most mature among us. What do you think of the book thus far?

Micah: You say that, but I think I was the one who commented to you after I started reading the book and I said, “J.K. Rowling is more perverted than I am.”

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Wow.

Micah: So, when you called me the more mature of the group, I don’t know if that is necessarily accurate. But I think it’s really hard because we’ve read a series, not just one book but an entire series, that’s based in fantasy. It’s a completely different type of genre for her to go from wizards and witches and Horcruxes to real life. And I think that is exactly what this book is about. It’s about class warfare, it’s about poverty, it’s about people who are really falling on hard times, and I wonder how much of that is tied to her growing up and experiences that she had. Her work at Amnesty International comes to mind because I remember her talking about that during one of her appearances, it was either at Carnegie Hall or Radio City. So, I think you are getting more of a flavor of – and I saw a quote from her saying that this was just a book that she had to write, and I wonder how much of that comes from her own experiences and things she’s had to deal with in her own life.

Andrew: Hmm.

Eric: I think…

Selina: I’m sure that’s what is going on.

Eric: Go ahead, Selina.

Selina: No, that was it.

Eric: Oh. What did you say?

Selina: I said I’m sure that’s what she was drawing on for some of it. I mean, it sort of calls out – it’s very…

Micah: Dark.

Selina: Yeah, it’s very dark but it’s very typical of what you would see in real-life Britain. I mean, this could be happening anywhere right now.

Eric: I wanted to ask – I guess it helps that you are most of the way through the book too, because I wanted to ask. As a Nordic person…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: …do you find – you are a lot closer to Britain. Do you find that this book might be relevant to, or perhaps more relevant to, British children or Europeans than it is to Americans, perhaps?

Selina: I have spent five years in Britain, so [laughs] I would say as someone who knows a lot about how the system works over there, I think that this is the kind of story that, for me, is not a story, it’s just reality. And it’s very bleak and it’s very depressing and there’s no shadow of a happy ending or a resolution to anything, which I think is real life. That’s why I was making the comment about it being real life and super depressing…

[Eric laughs]

Selina: …because it’s literally you could walk out of your house and see. But actually, my mother said something interesting. She said that she thought it might be more interesting to Americans than British people because for you guys it’s an insight into what British life is like. Whereas for us, it is no different than anything you might see.

Andrew: Yeah, so it’s kind of like fantasy in that regard, almost. [laughs]

Eric: Like, for us.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: A different kind of fantasy though, I think, because remember with Hogwarts you got to go to this world that we could only hope existed in some capacity, it was a great escape. Whereas this other world that J.K. Rowling is writing about now is in fact, as Selina pointed out, reality. And nobody wants to necessarily deal in reality, they want to deal in what could potentially be. And so I think that is why, for us, even though we grew up with it, the Potter series is more captivating than a book like this.

Eric: Well, I feel that fantasy novels on the whole or in general are actually just allegories for what actually goes on in the real world, which is why we look at Cornelius Fudge and we say the corrupt politician or the incompetent politician and that echoes, obviously, with experiences in our real world. But fantasy is more fun than, in many cases, just a straight play or straight drama about politics, which is why I think the Harry Potter series is going to continue to succeed far beyond a straight book like this.

Andrew: I don’t have all bad things to say about The Casual Vacancy, though. I have been enjoying it to a point. I think J.K. Rowling’s writing, as somebody mentioned earlier, is still phenomenal. She is so vivid in her writing and her descriptions of characters. And the beginning part of the book, where everybody is discovering Barry Fairbrother’s death – which I don’t consider a spoiler because we all knew who dies at the beginning.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: That part, to me, took a while to get through. And I think what put me off on a bad foot with this book is there are a lot of character introductions, and it’s a lot to handle.

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: It’s a lot to take in. But that said, I’m starting to get acclimated with the characters and there are particular ones I’m – whose story lines I’m enjoying. And I haven’t given – so far, I can’t say that this is a bad book because I have been enjoying it to a point. It’s just that my reservations right now is it is slow to start, there are too many characters, I think, and the setting, it was just – this is a big, big, big jump for J.K. Rowling. I was actually saying to my friends the other day, and I’m interested in your guys’ takes on this, she should have worked her way up to this book. It shouldn’t have been seven books of Harry Potter fantasy and then going to this. It should have been – the next book, I think, should have been another – an older, young adult novel, something that would have captured – that feeds the audience of the grown-up Harry Potter audience, as in people our age and older than that because obviously Harry Potter spanned all ages. But adults and young adults, they grew up with this and still love J.K. Rowling’s writing for what it was. Would you guys agree she should have maybe used the subject matter that could have appealed to more people? Not kids, but people our age, let’s say?

Selina: I don’t necessarily agree because I think that with this book, I think – clear message that she’s saying, “I’m not done with Harry Potter but I’m moving away from Harry Potter, and if any of you thought that I was going to write another Harry Potter book, then I’m going to slap you in the face with this.” [laughs]

Eric: Wow.

Selina: It’s a heavy book, you could hit someone real…

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Selina: But my point is that I think that what happened with this book was it was marketed completely wrong, because everybody knows that the people that are going to go out and pick up the new J.K. Rowling book are going to be Harry Potter fans. And the only people that this book is not going to appeal to probably is ninety percent of Harry Potter fans. So, I feel like…

Eric: So, mis-marketed or – was it marketed at all?

Andrew: See, that’s the thing. Yeah.

Eric: Because I feel like – short of the fact that there are a hundred copies of the book at every bookstore in every city in the world, this book really wasn’t marketed. It sold itself, is the problem, and I think what I’m feeling that might be similar to what you’re feeling, Selina, is that we needed to – when the biography was released – or sorry, the summary – was released that said this is J.K. Rowling’s first book for adults, it was over quick. That was not emphasized enough, I think, that this book really wasn’t for, as you said, the majority of the people who are going to be picking it up because of their love for J.K. Rowling through Harry Potter.

Micah: And here’s the thing though: I think that if you’re not going to market the book, if you’re going to ride on the success of Harry Potter and expect that people are going to go out and they’re going to purchase this book because they were such huge fans of the Harry Potter series, then you also have to expect that you’re going to have this book held to the same standards and the success of Harry Potter. There’s no way to kind of get around that. I’m not saying that it’s necessarily fair to go ahead and do that, and say, “Well, look at what the Potter series was able to achieve,” and put that up against The Casual Vacancy. But I think at the same time, if you’re going to ride the heels of Potter and assume that because that did so well that you don’t have to market The Casual Vacancy or do more than what was done, you’re sort of setting yourself up for, I think, a lot of critical reviews.

Andrew: Yeah, I mean…

Eric: Or backlash, you know?

Andrew: I think, in terms of publicity, they did really downplay it. And there were articles about it, and booksellers were getting frustrated, like, “Oh, why isn’t there more promotional material for us to use?” Like, if you walked by a Barnes & Noble, all you saw was that single poster in the window, saying, “J.K. Rowling’s first book since Harry Potter.” And I think that is a thing that people should really market, because it is a big deal. But that’s my point with this whole transition thing. Harry Potter fans were so looking forward to the next book. I mean, Pottermore kind of let some people down. Other people enjoyed it, okay, but people have been yearning for a new J.K. Rowling book for five years. And so, when her first one out of the door is this one about ñ one as obscure a topic as this is, then it does turn off a lot of people.

Selina: I have…

Eric: Well, let’s talk about the beginning of this book. Sorry, Selina. Go ahead.

Selina: I just wanted to ask something really quickly before we talk about the actual book, which was: do you guys think that this book ñ that Jo should or could have released this under a pen name? Because, in my opinion, when I first started reading I was so put off by all the references and all this – I was like, “J.K. Rowling wrote this? This is horrible!” But then ñ and also, we’ll get into that later about the references ñ but then I put it away and I came back to it, and I sort of forgot that Jo wrote it and I enjoyed it a lot more for that…

Andrew: Hmm.

Selina: …because I didn’t associate it with Harry Potter at all.

Andrew: Yeah, I definitely wish ñ well no, I don’t think she should have put it under a pen name. Because, look, she wants to make a lot of money off of this, there’s no question about that. Everybody is – and her publisher wanted to make a lot of money off of it. So, to do that, they had to say “J.K. Rowling.” Otherwise, how many copies of this book would have sold? [laughs] I mean…

Eric: Well, I don’t really think she was in it for the money with this book. But at the same time, I don’t think she should have kept it to herself and not sold it. You know, it’s tough. I think what it is, is she’s just really being herself and it’s everybody else in the world that has to change their mindset about what the name J.K. Rowling means. And I think that unfortunately or fortunately for everybody involved, that’s what happened here, is that she published the book under J.K. Rowling and a lot of us were expecting a completely different book as a result of that.

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: Yeah, but would you ever associate J.K. Rowling with anything other than Harry Potter? I mean, regardless of what she writes in the future, it’s always going to be Potter.

Eric: Well, I associate J.K. Rowling with good storytelling and an engrossing mystery. Now, I will say that in this book there is a lot less mystery. The plot – the end of the book is still hidden. I don’t know how it’s going to end up, but it’s not the kind of story that Harry Potter is in many, many ways. But it is still, as we all I think would agree, well-told or well-written.

Andrew: Maybe one of the biggest mistakes that we’re making as readers is kind of forcing ourselves to read it. Maybe it’s a book that’s best left consuming in small bits over a couple of weeks.

Micah: Yeah, but we’re not forcing ourselves. We’re barely a hundred pages into the book…

Andrew: Well…

Micah: …some of us. We’re taking our time, aren’t we?

Andrew: Well, I was trying to get done by Sunday, but then I started reading on Thursday, it wasn’t doing it for me, and Friday I tried more and it wasn’t doing it for me. I mean, maybe we [laughs] would like it better if we just weren’t feeling forced to finish it.

Micah: Yeah. Well, I like what you said earlier, too. The initial part of it is hard to get through because there are a lot of characters that are presented to you. There’s a lot of character development. And I understand you kind of need to do that in order to progress with the story, but I felt like ñ and again, I don’t mean to compare it to Potter, but her previous books ñ the character development felt much more fluid. In this book, it felt like she had to tell you all about a character in those initial chapters and get as much information as possible in front of you instead of just kind of interweaving it into the story. And so, from what I’ve read so far I feel like that part of it has fallen a little bit short.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: In addition, all the characters that she’s introducing in the book – none of them are particularly redeeming or lovable.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: To be honest, there are a lot of just shady people and shadier people and worse people. And even the children – you can’t like any of the kids because they’re little bastards.

Andrew: I like Andrew.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: You like Andrew?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: [laughs] Yeah. I…

Selina: Wait…

Eric: But they all have such deep flaws and none of them are immediately likable.

Selina: You know what this is? This is like – you guys are going to like this one – it’s like the Game of Thrones series if it had been done in this time. There are no swords and there are no maestros, which is what makes it interesting, but all of the characters are great and flawed and really intricate, and I feel like if we had got to spend more time with them then it would have really developed into some huge political canvas that felt really important. I think that it’s not the characters and the storytelling that fails, it’s – for me, I am not saying it fails – but it’s just that there’s so little importance to what they do, and I think that’s probably part of her point. But it just makes it feel so redundant. You know what I mean? So, it’s like clashing.

Eric: Well, look at the classics here for a minute. Think about Catcher in the Rye. It’s a perfect example for me to use because I hate that book, but it’s a book that was required reading in high school and I found Holden Caulfield to be an insufferable jackass. But not a whole lot happens to him throughout the history of that book. It starts off, I think, he leaves college, he goes and spends a night in a dilapidated building, and I forget what happens in the rest, but nothing of great significance is being championed in that book. That book is about the character himself, and how he was viewed at the time and how – that’s one of the books that said that this kid who is young can still be very deep with his emotional analysis and how he sees the world. So, these books that are shown to us, even in school, aren’t necessarily about anything. They’re just – they get to be the status that they’re in because of how the story is told and different things about it. So even though nothing particularly happens, like you were saying, Selina, I feel like a lot of these characters are still strong enough that this book could be received pretty well. Not only by us, but in the future.

Selina: Just really quickly, I don’t mean that nothing happens. I mean that there’s nothing for us to care about. There’s no event that we can get invested in. You know what I mean?

Eric: Well, what about the election? Because where I’m sitting now – I’m a quarter of the way through the book – where I’m sitting now, I am interested in finding out who the candidates are going to be and that’s what I’m invested in right now.

Selina: I just – from my point of view, it won’t – I feel so negative, it’s bad, but it won’t matter who wins. Do you know what I mean? I don’t know. Maybe I’m just… [laughs]

Micah: I was just going to say though, Selina, the point you brought up about Game of Thrones, I was actually thinking about that as I was reading through, because it was almost as if she could have broken it up by character, like George R.R. Martin does in his books. So it would almost be – the first chapter would be Barry and then it would go on to be about the different characters in this particular book. But a lot of people complained about the first book in that series too, saying that it felt like it took so long to kind of get the wheels going, and I feel like it’s the same thing with this book. I don’t know if you agree or disagree.

Eric: I think, too…

Selina: I see that.

Eric: Yeah, she didn’t have seven books to tell this story. She chose to do it in one, which is why, I think, you are getting a lot of this introduction. And she has to lay the dimensions all before she can continue to tell the story, because it’s absolutely important that we meet all of the players in the story during the same story that’s going to finish it. You know what I’m saying? Whereas the books, every year at Hogwarts there was a new teacher and some of them have ties to Harry’s past, some of them don’t, but it was all laid across this grand canvas where everything here is crammed into one book. It’s interesting to see that she didn’t jump right into another series.

Micah: Right.

Selina: Unless it is a series.

Eric: [laughs] Do you think…

Andrew: She said it’s not.

Eric: Oh.

Andrew: She said it’s not going to be a series.

Eric: Oh okay.

Andrew: Umm…

Eric: But…

Andrew: Go ahead.

Eric: Yeah, go on.

Andrew: No, no, go ahead.

Eric: Oh, I wanted to talk about the first chapter, or the intro, but we don’t have to.

[Prolonged silence]

Andrew: I’m just mid-chew right now, go ahead.

Eric: You’re mid-chew? [laughs] I wanted to talk about the opening because to me – well, obviously the opening is really important about any book because you are supposed to be engrossed and it’s got to catch you. But I found in the beginning – and it’s Barry’s sort of last moments of his life – I found it to be at times very brutal, the narration. Essentially he’s finishing up some paperwork and he has to take his wife out for their anniversary. He kisses his kids goodbye for the last time and eventually collapses on the ground. When he’s collapsed from this brain aneurysm, there’s this line – let me go back to it. Okay, it says that he experienced pain that he never felt – he’s having a brain aneurysm – he’s experiencing this throbbing pain that was nothing like he ever felt. He didn’t want to endure it but “endure it he must, for oblivion was still a minute away.” So, this is like – the narrator is being very – it’s torture. This guy is being tortured and we’re forced to witness it. He’s forced to witness it for another sixty seconds. And when he’s in the ambulance, the woman who is in the ambulance with him compares the oxygen mask to a muzzle. And it’s also said that he was lying unconscious and unresponsive on the ground in a pool of his own vomit, and I’m thinking, “This is really intense! This guy is dying and he’s just completely helpless and we’re forced to witness this terrible death in the beginning of the book.” It really set an interesting tone, I thought.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: How about you guys?

Andrew: You’re just talking about basically those first two pages there, right?

Eric: Yeah, that’s the first two pages where…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: The narrator felt…

Andrew: I did like how – hmm?

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: The narrator felt…

Eric: The narrator felt like they were – it was just pathetic, like there was some kind of – like he was being insulted or something, you know? He spends the last few minutes of his life thinking about, why do I even have a golf club membership, I suck at golf…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …and then he dies and he is forced to be tortured with a brain aneurysm. It brought the world – it was real. It was very real, like this really happens to people kind of thing.

Andrew: Mhm. Well, I guess we can move forward in the discussion here. I have to say, when I was going to pick up the book at Barnes & Nobles, I was very excited. It felt almost like a Harry Potter book release, going in, seeing it there right at the front, holding it in your hand for the first time…

Micah: Did you smell it?

Andrew: Uhhh, maybe.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Eric: Did you smell it, Micah?

Micah: Well, the Potter books – we’ve talked about this, they had a very distinctive smell to them.

Andrew: All books have smells to them.

Eric: I think that comes from being printed on recycled paper, Micah.

Micah: Oh okay.

Eric: You know, if it used to be part of a McDouble wrapper…

Micah: Yeah, exactly.

Eric: …it smells like a McDouble.

Micah: I wanted to go back to something you said before, talking about those first two pages, but do you think it would have been different – maybe people find it a little bit more enjoyable, not as slow, more to look forward to – if Barry Fairbrother had been murdered as opposed to just dropping dead? Somebody is after his seat on the council?

Andrew: Like a whodunnit.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Hmm.

Micah: Because that’s honestly what I was expecting, having read the summary of the book beforehand.

Andrew: I never thought that.

Micah: I thought we were looking for more of a murder mystery/political thriller type of book.

Andrew: That would have been cool. That definitely would have been cool. Because there was rumors, I think, that her book – before we even knew it was called The Casual Vacancy or anything like that, I think there was a rumor – one author said, “Oh yeah, she’s going to be writing a mystery,” and we were like, “Oh okay.”

Eric: Yeah, that’s right.

Andrew: I think definitely it would have been more interesting. How do you classify this book? What genre is this?

Eric: Hmm. Political sleeper? What do you call those?

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: And that’s not offensive, but the fact that it is – it’s a character drama, that’s all it is. It’s a character drama set in a small town which obviously is a very accurate depiction of said small towns, I think.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: But again, going back to the comparison between real life and stuff, I find that the adults in this book – and there are a fair number of them – really aren’t – I’m identifying all aspects of their personality, with having known adults who are like that. I’m kind of closer to the parenting age than I used to be, like when I first picked up Potter, so a lot of this time spent – these chapters about the parents are interesting me because I have this perspective where I’m like, “I wonder if my parents ever felt that way,” or something like that. We’re dealing with more adults and now we’re closer to being adults, so I find in a very interesting way that these characters kind of still appeal to me than, say, if J.K. Rowling had written a book set in a high school or set with younger characters again like she did with Potter, I don’t know that I would have enjoyed it as much.

Andrew: Hmm.

Eric: What do you guys think?

Andrew: I mean, I don’t know if I could – I’m enjoying this right now because of her writing, because of her character writing, and when you get to the scenes with the dialogue I do find it intriguing. I think she does write some great character scenes. But I can’t imagine a situation – if there wasn’t that, if it was more of the very beginning, like the first couple of chapters, I would be incredibly – I probably would have given up. I think it is improving a little bit, and like I said at the top of the show, it does – I heard somebody say that – I’ve heard a couple of people say, “It gets better.” [laughs]

Micah: Well, Selina, does it?

Selina: That’s just the thing, though. It doesn’t get better! [laughs]

Andrew: Aww.

Eric: [laughs] Oh God. Wait, better than what? Better from what?

Andrew: More fast – I heard, “Yes, it starts slow in the beginning but it picks up the pace.”

Selina: I – it doesn’t get better than – I don’t know. Maybe it’s just because it’s so depressing, but I just feel like it’s just more and more of the same. [laughs] It’s not that I’m not enjoying it, but it’s…

Micah: So there’s no pay off yet?

Selina: You will literally not be able to tell the 350th page from the 20th page. Nothing has changed. And yes, you do learn more about the characters and some of the stories – Krystal’s, I’m sure we’re all going to be big fans of her part of the story because it is riveting and it is engaging and it is tragic and it is heartbreaking, and other people’s stories. Some of them are interesting, some of them are not. But in terms of the story, in terms of the actual plot – I mean, I still have 80 pages to go, but it’s – I’m not expecting anything to…

Micah: Shock you?

Selina: Yeah. And I wouldn’t. I would feel, in a way, that – [laughs] to use a phrase from the book, that would be inauthentic to [laughs] the characters if something – blah – if something huge suddenly happened to “fix everything” or make some kind of happy ending, because that’s not the story she’s writing. But I’m just left with a, “Life sucks. Where’s Hogwarts?” [laughs]

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The Casual Vacancy Discussion: Harry Potter References


Andrew: So, we had noticed a couple of Harry Potter – what we think are Harry Potter references in the book. The first one: the one on page 44, you guys were saying?

Eric: Oh wait, I have one before that. It’s page one. [laughs]

Andrew: Barry?

Eric: Barry… [laughs]

Andrew: You know…

Eric: Although it’s funny what she said in the interview about that – no, no, no, his head hurts so I thought it was Harry’s scar hurting.

Andrew: Oh. [laughs] Yeah, there’s that. And like you said, in the one interview somebody asked her, “Oh, you named Barry and Harry very similarly,” and she was like, “You know what? I didn’t even notice that until it was too late.” Like, are you kidding me?

Micah: They changed the last name. Why couldn’t she change the first name?

Andrew: Yeah, really! Change it to Larry.

Eric: It’s a simple replace command, Jo. Control-H.

Andrew: Yeah. Find, replace.

Eric: Find, replace.

Andrew: But I just couldn’t believe that it only dawned on her before it was too late that Barry and Harry – [laughs] so you guys had page 44. What was the reference there?

Eric: Yeah, who else found it? Was it…

Andrew: Selina?

Eric: Selina?

Selina: Me. Yup.

Andrew: What is it?

Selina: Oh, you can say it, Eric.

Eric: Oh okay, I’m going to – well, I’m going to look up the exact quote. Give me just one second here.

Andrew: The other one that we had found was later on when there’s a reference to various crimes, I think – or no, bad parenting.

Eric: Yeah, Tessa is going – Tessa is the – wait, no.

Andrew: Kay. You’re thinking of Kay.

Eric: Kay is the social worker.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: She’s undergoing – she’s kind of reminiscing on tales of bad parenting because she’s at – [censored], I always call her Keira but it’s…

Andrew: Krystal.

Eric: Krystal, Krystal’s house, and talking about her younger brother. But I found one on page 44 and it’s also – actually, this one is from Tessa and it’s also about Krystal and it says, okay:

“Tessa knew that Krystal’s familiarity with sudden death was greater than her own. People in Krystal’s mother’s circle died prematurely with such frequency that they might have been involved in some secret war of which the rest of the world know nothing.”

Selina: They’re wizards!

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: They’re wizards! But actually, she means obviously – Krystal’s mother in the story, not to spoil anything, is a big heroin addict and so a lot of the people that are also addicts are dying prematurely.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: So, it’s much less exciting than if they were in a secret war. But the fact that that imagery exists, that Jo drew that comparison, seems like a veld or overt reference to the secret world of Harry Potter.

Micah: And the one that, Andrew, you brought up is on page 81, and it says:

“But she had seen far worse: welts and sores, gashes and burns, tar-black bruises; scabies and nits; babies lying on carpets covered in dog [censored]; kids crawling on broken bones; and once (she dreamed of it, still), a child who had been locked in a cupboard for five days by his psychotic stepfather.”

Andrew: That one made the national news, it says right after that.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I missed that part, originally. She dreamed of it, still?

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: That totally seems to me like a Harry Potter reference. But I bet if you ask her about that, she’d say, “Oh. Oh no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no.”

Selina: No, people [unintelligible] in cupboards all the time. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Eric: So, Selina, do you think there could be any more? Have you noticed any others that are kind of similar?

Selina: The only one I did notice – and this is not a reference, it’s just funny – is that Jo in this story – I mean, she’s dating herself so much by all her references to Facebook and blah, blah, blah.

Andrew: How is that dating herself?

Selina: Because it’s little things about the world right now that in ten years people might be like, “Uhh, whatever.” But one thing that I did notice was the return of the PlayStation, which I liked.

Eric: Oh, I saw Nintendo DS.

Andrew: Yeah, I saw that.

Eric: Barry’s children have DS’s, but I didn’t see a PlayStation.

Selina: And I thought that was funny, because nobody actually says PlayStation anymore. [laughs] Sorry.

Andrew: See, I don’t know if that’s dating yourself, though. A book is written in a certain time period and that’s just…

Eric: And set in a certain time period as well.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Selina: I always notice stuff like that whatever book I’m reading. I’m always thinking – they mention MySpace and I’m like, “Ahhh, that’s so 2002.”

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: There is a goat reference on page 58.

Andrew: Ooh.

Eric: Oh God, how could I have missed that?

Andrew: Good for you.

Eric: 58? What is it?

Andrew: So, does this change your guys’ perspective of Jo as a writer? Do you find yourself not looking forward to what she’s doing next? She has said in multiple interviews over the past week that she – it seems that she has two children’s books lined up, and one of those two will be her next book-release. But it’s only for, like, seven to eight-year-olds, that’s the target age, so I’m thinking like Dr. Seuss style: very short, very illustrated, that kind of thing. And then, she did reference one other adult novel. Not a Casual Vacancy sequel.

Eric: Well, let’s talk about the sex.

Andrew: In the book?

Eric: In this book. Yeah, in this book. Because you’re asking if it changes our perspective on Jo, or if it changes our opinion of her writing. And there is just a lot of sex, I think, even so far where I am in this book. And it’s shocking at first, because I think as a Harry Potter fan, having grown up with Harry Potter, it feels like your mom is cursing or something. It’s just very – there’s an early chapter where we meet Andrew, he’s riding the school bus, and this girl he has a crush on doesn’t show up. And I guess – I think the line is like, “There was an ache in his heart and in his balls.”

[Micah laughs]

Eric: And I’m thinking, oh my God, she’s talking about Andrew’s – this kid’s balls. She never talked about Harry’s balls. Like, there was never a moment where it’s like, “Harry’s balls itched as he contemplated what he must do next.”

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Never. Ever, ever, ever.

Andrew: Wasn’t there a reference to his erection, too?

Eric: Yeah, there’s tons of erections.

Andrew: Like, bumping up and down on the school bus?

Eric: There’s tons of erections – oh, covering it up, yeah. He said the vibration of the bus…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: I was just like, “Okay, this is – Jo is…”

Micah: But that’s normal things that happen to you…

Eric: Extremely normal.

Micah: Yeah, it is, though. And those are things that happen, you know, in high school.

Andrew: I think Micah is admitting something right now.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: No, no, look, I’ll admit the same thing if Micah admits it. This is…

Micah: Yes!

Eric: …real life.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Eric: But it felt like she was in my head – oh, Selina is laughing her [censored] off now.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: I’m saying that she seems to have created a portal inside a young boy’s mind, and she does this with Andrew, she does this with the character of Fats. And it’s a little interesting to see the Queen or mother inside my young child head, or any young boy’s head, talking about these school experiences. How did she know this stuff? Almost. The book is dedicated to her husband, Neil. I wonder if he shared something.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Or maybe it’s a technique of a good writer to be able to talk about this kind of thing that is a lot more, I guess, personal to me as like – hell, I was a young boy once, right? Some of these things that Andrew and Fats are feeling I felt, and so I’m really…

Micah: Yeah, exactly.

Eric: …engrossed by how sexual but also by how raw a lot of this emotion is and it’s been beneath these characters. And it’s not uplifting, it’s actually a little unsettling, but I don’t know what to make of it.

Micah: Well, what makes it unsettling? Because I think, as we’ve just mentioned, a lot of those elements are natural and they are things that happen. Maybe it’s that we internalize all of them and we don’t necessarily speak about them all the time. But I do think there’s certainly things that happen and to your point, how does she know how to get inside the mind of a young teenage boy who is looking at a girl for the first time and is really interested in her? It’s an interesting dynamic.

Andrew: Actually, my problem with a lot of the sex happening in this book was some of it felt very forced.

Selina: Yes.

Andrew: And I don’t mean literal sex but I mean just some references – like page 8, for example. It’s right after Barry dies, and Miles and Samantha who got Barry to that hospital, it’s the next morning, and Miles kind of gets lost in his wife’s breasts. It says:

“Samantha’s dressing gown gaped open as she sat at the kitchen table, revealing the contours of her big breasts as they rested on her forearms. Upwards pressure made them appear fuller and smoother than they were when they hung unsupported. The leathery skin of her upper cleavage radiated little cracks that no longer vanished when decompressed. She had been a great user of sun beds when younger.”

I’m just thinking, like…

Micah: Professor McGonagall?

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: No! I’m just thinking your friend just died, it’s the next morning, and you get lost in your wife’s breasts?

Eric: I didn’t think that…

Andrew: First of all, do married men even – are they even interested in their wife’s breasts any longer?

Eric: They should be.

Andrew: I mean, let alone to describe them in this detail?

Eric: The thing is, I was confused at the beginning because I wasn’t sure entirely that it was being told from his perspective. So, when she’s writing about Samantha’s breasts, I didn’t think it was necessary that Miles was noticing that, but I thought instead it was building the character of Samantha who is very much like – what was the reference to Harry Potter I compared? I’ve lost it. But anyway, she’s a character who used sun beds, she’s very vain, and so that’s all I took it to mean, was that she was very concerned with her appearance because she had grown older and she slumps fake goo on her to give her a fake tan.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: So, I don’t know.

Selina: I agree with you, I think that for me – I think having read most of the book, the sexual references probably are one of the ways to express these characters’ complete depravity. [laughs]

Andrew: Mhm.

Selina: And the way that they’re so messed up and wrapped up in their own heads, and I think – as someone else said earlier, it’s sort of a way of really being raw. I mean, she’s laying these people out for the world to see. There’s nothing hidden about them or anyone. And it’s all – the novel, I guess, is all about secrets and sharing your thoughts and sharing your personal self with nobody or everybody. But at the same time, especially in the beginning, I was like, I don’t need Jo to prove that this is not Harry Potter by throwing in all of this stuff a bit arbitrarily. Like that scene on the bus where he was sort of – the erection bump – [laughs] for obvious reasons. I feel like sometimes you don’t really need it, but then as you get further into the book I do think that it just becomes the way that her characters work.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: So…

Eric: It could be – yeah, go ahead.


Listener Tweets: The Casual Vacancy


Andrew: Let’s start to move along here. We got some Twitter responses about the book, for people who follow us on Twitter, Twitter.com/MuggleCast. Janet says:

“Only 100 pages in, but feeling there are a lot of characters being introduced, yet no main person to follow except dead Barry.”

Which yeah, I agree, but in a way he is the lead character because it is his death that causes everything that happens in the remainder of the book, as far as I know, getting his seat replaced. Kayla says:

“LOVE IT!! J.K. Rowling has done it again!! This book is AH-MAZING!!!”

Nina says:

“Surprisingly realistic and honest while discussing issues we’ve also seen in HP. A very courageous reflection of real life.”

Anne said:

“It has become like her to kill people in the first chapter. Loved the grotesque way she did it. It’s not HP, but it’s still JKR.”

Samuel Cox said:

“Only 130 pages in so far but I love it. Kind of odd when you think that Krystal was created by the same writer as say Luna or Dobby.”

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: What does he or she mean by that?

Eric: Well, the first time we meet Krystal it’s through Andrew’s eyes, and he’s telling the story of how when she was very, very, very young she pulled her pants down in the middle of a classroom. I just feel like that alone treats Krystal with much more depth and sympathy than – it’s deeper because you feel bad for her from the start, you’re at a disadvantage, whereas none of the characters seem that holy. They’re missing that element of secret things that they did when they were young or expressions of their youthful personality that should never be held against them. I almost feel like Harry Potter as a series was – because it lacked any element of the sexual and when Jo tried to write about it, it was really awkward. Like with Harry and Ginny, the monster in his chest, as opposed to actual sex scenes and stuff. I feel like in a way the Harry Potter series is inauthentic, except for the fact that it tried to address teenage relationships. The fact that her next book is showing sex from ages two to sixty-something is very different, and I think it is odd for what Samuel said. Because it’s a different way of viewing life. Both characters are equally real – Luna and Krystal – but Krystal has this added depth where you feel like you’re actually talking about a real person, because you know certain secrets about her that she would prefer not to have known.

Micah: But I agree. I think that those characters that were brought up – let’s go with Luna, not so much Dobby. I don’t think we need to be discussing the sex habits of house-elves on this show.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: But there is that missing component to – and so I wonder if all this time she was writing Harry Potter, she really wanted to say things that she couldn’t say, and so she kind of put them on the side and she tabled them for when she was going to be writing a more adult book. And I think…

Eric: Do you think it was out of respect for the fact that she was writing what was seen as being a children’s book? Because she could have included sex in Harry Potter, she just chose not to. She chose that she was writing more of a children’s story.

Micah: Yeah, but I think that it did change though, as the books progressed and you moved really into Order of the Phoenix and beyond. I think that you did get more of those adult themes, but again, the whole sexual side of it was completely ignored with the exception of a little bit of teenage romance here and there. And this book, though, is adult in every sense of the word. Like when she said she’s writing an adult novel, she might have well said she’s writing an X-rated novel because that’s what this is. I mean, there’s…

Andrew: Hmm.

Micah: No, it’s close because there are no boundaries as – you pick up a book by John Grisham or some other political thriller or legal thriller, there’s not this level of graphic…

Eric: Yeah, you’re not talking about how many…

Micah: …information.

Eric: Yeah. It’s not a teenager boasting about how many fingers he’s put in a girl. It’s not that at all.

Micah: Right, and that’s the other thing, at least as far as I’ve got in the book, with Krystal talking about her in the back of the room during one of their examinations and people going up and getting a chance to feel her breasts, and how – was it Andrew? – missed out on it.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I always do, yeah. Oh, in the book? Yeah.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Micah: Yeah, in the book.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s right.

Micah: You never hear something like that about going on in the back of Snape’s Potions classrooms with Luna.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Everybody went to go into the back and get a feel. Or cop a feel.

Andrew: Oh God.

Micah: That just – yeah…

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: …they’re drastically different, there’s no question.

Andrew: So, was there – so, this was like a creative release for Jo? I mean, I feel like she almost needed to insert these kind of things in here, like the grabbing of the breasts and the watching of porn…

Micah: Selina, you’ve been very quiet.

Selina: No, I’ve tried to speak but the sound is cutting me off.

Andrew: Oh. But the watching of the porn and all that – I feel like if she didn’t have these things in there, it’d be even more boring.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: What did you want to say, Selina?

Selina: No, I only wanted to say I could imagine how great it would be if at one point we got something that was kind of the best of both of these, because with Harry Potter you have the fantastic story. You have the fantastic – I’m not talking about the magic, I’m talking about the intricate layers of what happens between these characters, and the way they grow up and the way they fight this battle. And you have the humor, you have the heart, you have the way that we have all attached ourselves to these characters, despite them not being as fleshed out as we might have hoped they would be. And if we could match all of that with this intense social awareness, and awareness that Jo has for the way that people’s minds work, and the really – this amazing level of building up these detailed characters that are so different from each other, and have such distinct personalities, and that really are so real. If we could mix all that up and create some kind of super novel [laughs] it would be the best thing ever.

Micah: Yeah. I’m really interested to see, at Lincoln Center, how she’s going to talk about this book…

Andrew: Mmm.

Micah: …and the kinds of questions she’s going to get from fans, who are primarily going to be Harry Potter fans. I mean, to this point a lot of the interviews that she’s done have been with reporters. She hasn’t had to really interact one-on-one with the fans. And so it’s going to be an interesting conversation with the much more grown-up Potter crowd.

Andrew: She did interact with them at Queen Elizabeth Hall, but that was the day the book came out, and I think they did a survey of the audience and one person had actually finished the book.

Eric: Wow.

Andrew: But yeah, you’re right. So, by the time she gets to New York City, obviously I would think anybody who’s attending will have finished the book and maybe can grill her a little bit. But let’s continue here. On the point we just brought up, actually, Diana said:

“I can’t believe Jo actually wrote a book with dirty words and without wizards! This book is truly awesome, I’m glad she did it!”

Rosie said:

“Just what I expected and so much more! No skirting around real issues and the same writing we’ve all come to love.”

Amanda says:

“Trying really hard to stay interested. Maybe I haven’t gotten to the good part yet, only 80ish pages through. Supporting JKR!”

SouthwarkJ said:

“The plotting was skillfully done. Liked the issues being raised (poverty, OCD) but most of the characters were not compelling.”

Eric: I haven’t got to the OCD yet.

Andrew: Me neither. Caitlin says:

“I’m only 50 pages in, but it’s so slow! Do we really need so much character description? C’mon Jo, where’s the good stuff?!”

And finally Sean says:

“Hate it. Unlikable characters and mediocre writing, plus the entire experience feels like spending a weekend with the Dursleys.”

I have…

Eric: Wow.

Andrew: This book does feel Dursley-ish, in terms of the characters – some of them.

Eric: Particularly Howard and his wife are…

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: Right. I’ve been trying not to say it, because I feel like there’s no point comparing this to Harry Potter in any way, [laughs] because it’s not. But really, a lot of the – not just the – what are they, the Mollisons? – I feel like they’re the most Dursley-ish. But I feel like almost every single character I imagine as Vernon, Petunia, or Marge Dursley walking around, you know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Wow.


News: J.K. Rowling Interviews


Andrew: There was an interesting interview – moving on to some of the news related to Casual Vacancy, there was an interesting interview with Jo, when she’s speaking to ABC’s Cynthia McFadden, and Rowling asked McFadden, “Did you cry?” and McFadden said, “Yes,” and J.K. Rowling said, “Well, you see, I don’t want to say ‘good.’ But I would have nothing to say to the person who didn’t cry at the end of this book. Nothing. The end is bad. Sorry.”

Selina: Hmmm.

Andrew: Which I thought was pretty – I was like, whoa. So, for this quote alone, I’m very interested to see why Jo feels so compelled to say everybody who reads this should be crying by the end because it’s so sad.

Eric: Right.

Selina: Because she sets up these characters to fail. She’s like, “Come here, come care about these fifteen-odd characters and I will destroy them.” [laughs] I don’t know.

Micah: Well, Selina, can we throw out a spoiler-like question to you? Has anybody else died throughout the book, other than Barry – up to your reading?

Selina: Not up to my reading, although several of them have diabetes.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Andrew: Really?

Selina: Yes. [laughs]

Andrew: Oh, that’s a spoiler.

Eric: I know that’s not a laughing matter, but wow.

Andrew: You know, she did address Harry Potter and going back to it, and that made headlines more than anything else this week, in terms of all the interviews that she did. She said that Harry, Ron, and Hermione’s story is definitely over, but, quote, “Maybe I’ll go back and do a director’s cut.” And this was said to the BBC. She – because she admitted that two of the books – she was talking in regards to two of the books in the Harry Potter series that she would go back and change. Now, in the article on Hypable, Richard speculated it’s Chamber of Secrets and Half-Blood Prince, but I seem to remember her saying that Goblet of Fire was the one she…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: …was most disappointed in. So I think that would definitely be one of them.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: That’s one of the two. But I’m not sure…

Andrew: What do you think the other one is, then? If you could – or if you don’t know the answer to that, if you could ask her to re-write one of them – and not do like a major re-write, but go through it and be like, “Oh, let’s change this. Let’s speed this up. Let’s slow this down. Let’s add this.” Which book do you think…

Micah: Well, wasn’t it that there were parts of Chamber of Secrets and Half-Blood Prince she had toyed with switching at one point?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Micah: But I…

Andrew: Related to the Horcrux, right?

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: It had to be.

Micah: But I would almost say Order of the Phoenix.

Andrew: Really?

Micah: There’s probably parts of that that she could have done more with.

Andrew: And…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Well, I mean, I could see that being one of the books, because that was in the prime “deadline, deadline, deadline.” She was working under a tight deadline to get Goblet of Fire out, back in 2000, I remember, and that really…

Eric: Right, she said never again, and she took three years to write Order.

Andrew: Oh right.

Eric: But I think though – honestly, I think “5” is the one that a lot of us would say needs the most editing, perhaps to shorten it. Because there are quite a lot of things, like even the St. Mungo’s chapter, that don’t have a whole lot of relevance in the later books at all. Maybe she would change the other books to include some relevance to the other things that are in Order of the Phoenix. Or maybe not. Maybe she would just make “5” shorter.

Andrew: Now…

Micah: I want to know what was easier to write. Was Potter just by nature easier for her to put a pen to paper or type in on a computer, versus The Casual Vacancy?

Andrew: You should ask her in New York City.

Micah: Did she struggle writing this book?

Andrew: Mhm. So, in regards to writing stuff outside of Harry, Ron, and Hermione’s story, she said, “Now, if I had a fabulous idea that came out of that world – because I loved writing it – I would do it. But I’ve got to have a great idea. I don’t want to go mechanically back into that world and pick up a load of odds and ends, and glue them together and say, ‘Here we go, we can sell this.'” So, she just wants to be really motivated by an idea, and then she’ll run with it.

Micah: Maybe by the reviews of The Casual Vacancy.

Andrew: [laughs forcibly] Yeah, I mean…

Micah: Just joking.

Andrew: Well no, you could be on to something there. If she writes another adult book and it kind of bombs – I’m not saying The Casual Vacancy bombs, but if it doesn’t do that well – because she won’t be able to say, “Oh hey, everybody. Look, it’s my first book since Harry Potter. Buy, buy, buy!” I think this…

Eric: [singing] “Bye, bye, bye.”

Andrew: She may get humbled and more appreciative of the Harry Potter world again, and be like, “Okay, it’s time to go back into it.”

Selina: I would hope so, or at least be appreciative of who her fan base is. And I’m not saying that she can’t write stuff like this, but I’m saying if this gets bad reviews, it’s not because it’s a bad book, it’s because the wrong people are reading it, and that’s because we haven’t been – I mean, you have to – she’s J.K. Rowling. You have to expect, even though she could hope that we’d all be like, “La la la, it’s not Harry Potter, let’s all read it and enjoy it,” that’s not necessarily going to happen, you know?

Eric: Yeah. I think part of it has to do with her being such a private person. She has a Twitter that she never uses. She has this access to all of us. She really could have warned us a little bit clearer, I think, that this book…

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: …was not – and not only that it wasn’t Harry Potter but that it would be – again, I find this book very artful, but I think that a lot of the people, as you said, are reading it – aren’t looking for its merits, so looking for it to be a Harry Potter book, and it’s – it couldn’t be further from a Harry Potter book, and I think a lot of people – I think they’re being wronged because it wasn’t – they weren’t warned enough, and I think – I’m surprised that Jo was able to turn out a book of this length. None of us knew she was even writing it until several months ago. And look, it’s not our business to know everything she does, but I feel like perhaps being – considering how looked up to she is by everyone who has read her books…

Micah: Yeah, but she’s also had five years to put out another book. I mean, it’s not like she put out one last year. Deathly Hallows is over five years ago at this point. So, we would expect that whatever was going to be released by her next was going to be substantial and going to hold our interest. Now, look, everybody who read Potter is not going to jump onto this book and say it’s the greatest thing that’s ever been written, or that they really like it. But I do think that there is a certain level of expectation coming in because of what we’ve read previously.

Selina: Yeah, exactly, and that’s not something that anyone can help, no matter if some people might say, oh, well, it’s your own fault for – we’re not expecting Potter, you know? We weren’t expecting another Potter but we were expecting something that wasn’t this. And it just keeps coming back to the fact that someone should have anticipated that this is the response, because I feel like it’s gotten such a poor response from critics and from fans so far. Some people like it. Most people don’t, and I feel – and people feel so let down, and that was always going to happen, but I feel like someone could have done something to avoid that, because I feel bad for Jo…

Micah: Marketing.

Selina: Right.

Micah: That’s…

Eric: Lev Grossman really liked it. The only review I’ve read is Lev Grossman’s review and he really found it to be very riveting.

Andrew: On Goodreads, which is a…

Micah: But he’s a Potter fan.

Andrew: [laughs] On Goodreads…

Eric: Yeah. Well, he is.

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News: The Casual Vacancy Sets Goodreads Record


Andrew: On Goodreads, which is a book reading social networking site – I really like it a lot, actually. Goodreads.com. You can add a book to your shelf, “I’m about to read this book,” and then once you’re done you can say you’ve completed it and here’s my review. Right now, 38 percent of the reviews are five stars, 23 percent are four stars, 16 percent are three stars. It has an average rating of 3.65 stars out of five, and that is based on 438 reviews, obviously many more to go. It also set…

Eric: That’s like a C-minus.

Andrew: It set a record on Goodreads. It was the most marked “started reading” for one day. So, the day The Casual Vacancy came out, more people on one day marked The Casual Vacancy as starting it today than any other book in the site’s history. So, that just shows you that there’s a huge amount of anticipation, if you didn’t gather that enough by merely the fact that there was a million pre-orders for this book, and I believe there are two million books in print. Little, Brown hasn’t actually released sales numbers yet. Maybe they’ll do that this upcoming Monday to see how it did through its first weekend. I would personally be very interested to see how well it has been selling. But yeah, so that, on Amazon – Goodreads has that 3.65, and then Amazon, the reviews aren’t that good, right? [laughs] Two-and-a-half stars on Amazon right now. But, to be fair, some people – there’s just weird reviews on Amazon. Some people did review it after reading. I mean, I see a two-star here published two hours ago: “So expensive, so eagerly awaited, so disappointing.”

Micah: Well, I feel like you’re going to see a lot of that, though, and it does go back to the marketing side of it and the fact that this book wasn’t marketed at all. It was going to ride the success of Potter. And look, it’s fine. If J.K. Rowling is – nobody can fault her in any way. If she’s saying, “Look, I’m going to write this book, it’s going to be what it’s going to be. If you like it, great. If you don’t, that’s fine, too.”

Eric: Right.

Micah: And people are just going to have to live with that. I mean, we’re doing the show just to kind of go through and give our thoughts on it, but people don’t have to agree with what we’re saying. I’m sure we’re going to get plenty of feedback about all the stuff that we talked about. But I said this to Andrew before the show, that if this wasn’t written by J.K. Rowling, I would never pick this book up. There’s nothing about it that intrigues me in the least. And aside from obviously having read Potter and Game of Thrones, I read more political or legal-type thrillers, you know? Nelson DeMille, Grisham, those types of writers. This holds really little interest for me if it didn’t have the name Rowling attached to it.

Selina: I’m exactly the same. I’ll finish it but it’s not – and I appreciate her writing style but this is not my kind of novel at all.

Andrew: So, I think that’s all we have to say right now on The Casual Vacancy. There will be more to be – there, of course, will – we’ll have more to say [laughs] once we’ve all finished reading it. I mean, I’m going to finish because I feel like, as people who are a voice in the Harry Potter community, we do have to read it and give a fair assessment on it, and I’m all for doing that. And I’m also – you know, I just want to be able to say, yes, I read it and here’s what I accurately thought of it. But to wrap up my views on it, as I have been reading this, I think of many of my friends who I met through Harry Potter, I picture them reading this and I just cannot picture them enjoying it, so – it’s just not for the Harry Potter audience. [laughs] That’s – I think that’s what we’re all trying to get across.

Micah: Well, it certainly could create a lot of discussion. I don’t think there’s any question about that. The themes that are in here and the characters – there’s a lot to talk about, but I just don’t – like, we’re not going to sit down, I don’t think, maybe with the exception of one or two more shows, and really kind of go through this chapter by chapter or…

Andrew: I was just going to say. We should do Chapter-by-Chapter.

Micah: We should.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Micah: But that’s at least how I feel. It’s just different.


Review: The Perks of Being a Wallflower


Andrew: Yeah. Well, moving on now. We have the Finding Hogwarts interview coming up, but first we wanted to also talk about The Perks of Being a Wallflower, the movie based on the book by Stephen Chbosky. Who has seen it now? I have, Eric has?

Eric: I have.

Andrew: Not Selina and Micah though?

Micah: No, I have not seen it.

Selina: No.

Andrew: Okay, well…

Eric: It stars Emma Watson.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s why we wanted to talk about it.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: And I know – it was a classic back in the 90’s. It came out, what, ’99 I believe it was? And I…

Eric: This was – yeah, it was required reading, I think, for me in ninth grade.

Andrew: Really?

Eric: If not required, definitely recommended. My teacher made sure that I read that book.

Andrew: It’s a coming of age story and we do want to talk about it because Emma Watson is in it. And I actually – I only got about halfway through the book which is written as a diary, which is very interesting and even more interesting when you consider how it could be translated to the big screen. But Stephen Chbosky who wrote it – like I said, he also directed it and wrote the screenplay and he did a tremendous job. And it opens everywhere this Friday in the United States. I know, Selina, you just said it’s not open over there yet, but I’ve got to imagine it’s coming over there.

Selina: It’s not coming out here at all yet as far as we can tell. There’s a lot of – it’s been treated like such an indie film as opposed to a big release. It’s probably not going to come out in a lot of countries, including mine.

Andrew: But even if…

Eric: That’s a shame.

Andrew: Yeah. Even if you check out reviews for the film, it’s been doing very well critically, so you don’t even have to be just an Emma Watson fan to enjoy it. It is a great story, it’s a great cast.

Selina: It’s a good…

Andrew: Emma Watson plays Sam, and then Logan Lerman plays Charlie, and Ezra Miller plays – Eric?

Eric: Patrick?

Andrew: Patrick. What were you going to say, Selina?

Selina: I was just going to say I love the book. [laughs]

Andrew: Oh okay. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah, the book is – it’s kind of like The Casual Vacancy in the parts of it that are set in high school. There’s drug use, there’s sexuality, and I find it to be very relevant and I found it when I was reading it in ninth grade to at least be relevant because that kind of stuff could be happening to my peers at the time. It’s just like stuff that happens in high school and the goings-on in high school to different kids. Charlie being a wallflower and he doesn’t have any friends until he meets these people who influence him and their taste in music and their taste – their view of the world influences him. And so, for that I thought the movie was very, very entertaining. I thought it was a great adaptation. I had no worries about it not being faithful to the book. I wanted to reread the book, but then a different book came out the same week, three guesses which. But I figured since the writer directed it, we wouldn’t have to worry about it not being faithful. I found the movie to be very entertaining and the soundtrack was great, so I would definitely recommend everybody check it out and Emma Watson does a passable American accent.

Andrew: It’s up and down at times.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I think she sort of just gave up halfway through filming. [laughs]

Eric: I wouldn’t say it’s horrible. My problem is – of course, I’m watching the movie and still seeing Hermione, but I think I’d say about halfway through I was able to stop and see her for who she is. But Sam is such an interesting character in the book and is such a driven character to be her own person, flaws and everything. So, it was a very interesting role for Emma to take, but again, I would recommend the film because I think it says something to a lot of people that’s very relevant.


Interview: John Noe & Bre Bishop


Andrew: So we are joined now by John Noe and Bre Bishop, the creators of Finding Hogwarts, the documentary. Hey guys!

Bre Bishop: Hey!

John Noe: Hey!

Andrew: Now, I don’t know how to feel about this because John, of course, does the rival podcast, PotterCast.

[John laughs]

Andrew: So I feel very uncomfortable.

John: We don’t like each other very much.

Andrew: No. I hate you.

[Andrew and John laugh]

Andrew: No, but we’re actually great friends in real life and we obviously wanted to have you on to talk about Finding Hogwarts because you guys have been working on this for a while and you’re about to – well, it’s on sale now, correct?

John: Correct, yes.

Andrew: Pre-orders.

John: We’ve been working on it for the past 19 years. No, it just feels like it, actually.

Bre: It does.

John: But yeah, it is available for sale on Blu-ray and DVD at FindingHogwarts.com.

Andrew: So, for anyone who hasn’t heard about it yet, tell us about the documentary. First, how did you get the idea for this?

Bre: It was pretty much just we were sitting around at Prophecy 2007 and I don’t know how we got on the conversation of just how awesome it would be to go to Scotland and try to find Hogwarts, and then it just sort of snowballed from there.

John: Well, it was kind of like a really big combination of feelings and thoughts because 2007 had us all thinking, “What is the world going to look like without a new Harry Potter book to look forward to?” And I’m sure many of those listening here can remember if you were a fan at the time. We all didn’t know what was going to happen to the fandom and how often we would see all these friends that we had just made for all of the convention-going fandom.

Andrew: Yeah.

John: And then feeling like, “Oh, what do we do now? What’s left after all of this?” and kind of figured, “Well, I guess we can always go to Hogwarts.” And this whole trip came together and it snowballed, like Bre said, into this idea of filming seven of us flying over to England and to Scotland and to walk around the Highlands. And it really kind of became so much more than we ever thought it would, and it turned out to be just the culmination of going on four years of work…

Andrew: Mhm.

John: …and storytelling and interviews all about what it’s meant to be in the Harry Potter fandom and how it’s changed all of our lives.

Andrew: And, Bre, I know this was your first time going over to the U.K., so what was that like, having read the books and now finally you’re kind of living within them by being in the Highlands, like John mentioned?

Bre: That was insane because I always thought whenever I’d go to the U.K. it would kind of be just a vacation trip, and instead it was this Harry Potter – I don’t even know – homage trip that was just insane. Just getting to do all the stuff that they do in the books and getting to ride the steam train and go to some of the filming locations.

Andrew: You told me, I think, that you actually rode over that bridge that you see in Chamber of Secrets, right? When Harry and Ron are flying with the Ford Anglia?

John: That is true.

Andrew: That is so cool.

John: That is true. It’s hard to pronounce. I think it’s called the Glenfinnan…

Bre: Viaduct.

John: Viaduct. And it is pretty darn cool-looking in person, and we tried to get some good footage of it too.

Bre: We were lucky enough to actually get to be in the compartment that they filmed in – or that they filmed some of the stuff in, right?

John: Yeah, when the trio does their shots in the compartment on the Hogwarts Express – I don’t know what proportion of it actually happened in the actual train and how much of it was just inspired from the train and recreated in the studio. But all I know is that you’re normally aren’t allowed in that compartment, and we had talked the conductor into letting us in it because we were big enough fans and we had some similar friends, and it was really cool.

Andrew: Now, why…

John: It came together perfectly.

Andrew: Why do they keep that compartment closed, normally?

John: I think because – I don’t think they make much of a secret of the fact that it is the steam train that inspired the Hogwarts Express, but I don’t know if they exactly have the ability to promote it as such. And so, I think just because interest would be crazy and they don’t want to have to deal with having a Harry Potter attraction on their train…

Andrew: Yeah.

John: …they just kind of keep it private, normally.

Andrew: So, in a way this is kind of a really great way to see the Harry Potter sets, if you will, without actually going over there. Because obviously, our listener base – we have a big United States audience, we have a big U.K. audience as well, and big Australia, but the United States is, of course, biggest. So, this seems like a cool way for me or anybody else to get this behind-the-scenes look when you’re seeing these things, not in the movie, but you’re seeing true Harry Potter fans experience all these locales, if you will, for the first time.

John: Yeah, that was definitely how it was for us because I had been to England a couple of times, just real briefly to cover some of the premieres, and this was a trip that let us try and walk in the footsteps of the characters. And we had moments where we actually tried to track down, “Where would the exact phone booth be, to get to the Ministry of Magic? And where would The Leaky Cauldron be if we can go off of the clues in the books and determine where on Charing Cross Road you would find it?” and all of that. And we even ended up in some similar spots where they did film some scenes like the Quidditch matches in the earlier films…

Andrew: Oh cool.

John: …and places like that.

Bre: That was really insane because we had to take a hike. It was like a two-hour hike to get to this waterfall that they used for the Quidditch pitch and stuff.

[Andrew laughs]

Bre: And it’s crazy to picture all these people with cameras and [censored] – oops.

[Everyone laughs]

Bre: Sorry!

Andrew: It’s fine. It’s fine.

Bre: Just hiking all the way out there just to get that shot, or I guess maybe they took a helicopter or something, I don’t know.

John: They probably didn’t make Dan and everybody…

Bre: Well, no.

John: …track around through the woods like we did.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

John: [laughs] But yeah, it was a pretty epic moment.

Andrew: Now, how about the other people who were – who went on this actual trip? I know it was you two, and then who else?

John: Great question. The whole idea was to try and pick some diverse people, and it kind of at this point now, all these years later, looks like we just grabbed a bunch of our friends. But really, we have Paul DeGeorge, who is one half of Harry and the Potters, Andrew Slack, who started and runs the Harry Potter Alliance, Bre and I’s good friend – your friend too, of course – Miss Rita Gill, who actually helped to come up with some of the original ideas for the film, and Melissa Anelli, who runs The Leaky Cauldron and wrote Harry, A History, and Frankie Franco – who is also on PotterCast with me – who is a brilliant illustrator and fan artist at the time and does a lot of cool stuff now too with DreamWorks.

Bre: For me it was kind of like a big fangirl thing because I had…

[Andrew laughs]

Bre: I had been a – no, but seriously, I had been a fan of Harry and the Potters since I was 14…

Andrew: Yeah.

Bre: …and was in the PotterCast and all of that stuff, so it was kind of crazy to find myself one day being 14 and listening to Harry and the Potters and then suddenly being in the Highlands with Paul DeGeorge.

Andrew: Yeah. Did you discover anything about him that you wish you hadn’t?

Bre: He burps a lot.

[Everyone laughs]

John: The dude likes to burp.

Andrew: Actually, I have a question about this. Okay, so you guys were together for – it was like a two week period? All together?

John: Almost. Yeah, like ten or eleven days.

Andrew: Okay. Was there any crazy breakdowns? Did our friend Rita, who is known for breakdowns – did she – was there any big breakdowns like, “We’re not finding Hogwarts! What’s going on?”

Bre: Oh yes. [laughs]

John: So much of that.

Bre: There was so much of that.

[Andrew laughs]

John: And the funny thing is we had this – it was very difficult to shoot this movie anyhow because we did it on as small of a budget as we could get away with. More than half the budget was just the travel to get out there. So, we didn’t have any crew members with us, nobody was doing camera for us. We all had to pass around the cameras, we all had to make sure our own microphones were turned on and recording at all times. It was very stressful. It would get to some points in the day when we were like, “Screw this, we just want to go and have a beer.”

[Andrew laughs]

John: And Rita would run off with some randoms that she met in Scotland…

[Andrew and Bre laugh]

John: …and we didn’t know if she would be coming back, and…

[Andrew laughs]

Bre: At some point, me and Rita and Andrew Slack – we were so stressed out and tired that we decided to go to a club one night in Edinburgh.

[Andrew laughs]

Bre: This is not in the film, of course. But there was lots of craziness going on.

Andrew: Yeah.

John: Yeah, it all kind of just culminates actually in the film, a point of frustration, where we’re like, “What are we actually doing here?” And it turned out to be kind of a breaking point in the whole process, and really forced us to really kind of regroup and take a look at what we were doing. And it turned out, I think, for the best because the film was better for having that moment.

Andrew: Cool. Oh, that’s good. That’s good. So, Bre, we also wanted to talk about the fact that you used to be a MuggleCast listener.

Bre: Yes, I’m so excited that I’m finally on MuggleCast!

Andrew: This is your first time, really?

Bre: Well, you played the…

Andrew: Your – yeah.

Bre: The video, yeah. The “I Eat MuggleCast Fangirls for Breakfast” video. Back in the day.

Andrew: That was a classic. That was, what, back in 2006?

Bre: I think so. It was right after Lumos.

Andrew: And what is this video?

Bre: Oh God, I was basically just making fun of MuggleCast fan girls.

[Andrew laughs]

John: But you did it as Fred on YouTube before there was Fred on YouTube.

Andrew: Oh.

Bre: Yeah, I was being obnoxious.

John: With your voice all sped up.

Andrew: You were the original Fred. Okay.

[Bre laughs]

Andrew: Fifty-two thousand views, I see. Posted six years ago. I’m not going to play…

Bre: Really?

Andrew: Yeah.

Bre: Goodness.

Andrew: Is that low or high?

Bre: I don’t – I guess it’s high. I haven’t looked at it in a while because I can’t even stand listening to myself do that, it’s so embarrassing.

Andrew: [laughs] So yeah, we played that on the show. I think that was one of the first true fan experiences I encountered. [laughs]

Bre: And it’s so funny because I’m sitting there making fun of fan girls, but then everyone was like, “You were on MuggleCast!” and I got super excited about that.

[Andrew and John laugh]

Andrew: Right, yeah. Your follow-up video is you listening to us playing it on the show.

[Andrew and Bre laugh]

Andrew: “Smile! You’re On MuggleCast 58”, I guess that’s the one?

Bre: Yeah, yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Awesome. So, what’s the overall message that you want people taking away from this documentary? It seems clear that this is for all Harry Potter fans to get really – it’s a reflection of the fandom. But what would you say, in a nutshell, would be what you want viewers to take away?

John: Well, it’s an interesting thing because at the time that we made it, we thought that it would be one thing. And now that it’s 2012, it’s turned out to be that but something else entirely, because so many Harry Potter fans in the fandom now – we have been hearing stories from them about how they only really came to the fandom post-Deathly Hallows, 2007, 2008, and later.

Andrew: Mhm.

John: And for us, the big reason we did the trip and did the film was we wanted to reflect on everything that we thought the fandom was prior to that point and to document all of the stories about what that was.

Bre: At the time there was so much crazy stuff going on. I’d go home and tell my family, “I just got back from this Harry Potter convention,” and they’d be like, “What? I don’t understand.”

[Andrew laughs]

Bre: There’s wizard rock bands, there’s podcasts, and I just wanted to be able to explain this phenomenon to everybody.

Andrew: Yeah.

John: Yeah, what it was and what made all of us and so many other people so crazy about it. And for these newer Harry Potter fans that came into the fandom a little later and they weren’t around to experience things like the midnight releases of the books. Watching everything now – we have footage from so many old events, so many old rock shows with Harry and the Potters, and library events, and all of these things. Looking at it now, it’s just capturing some of what I would consider the best years of the Harry Potter fandom in this little moment in time. And the film is just a really nice way, I think, to capture those feelings and to be able to remember them as vividly as you can.

Andrew: Yeah. No, sounds good. I’m looking forward to seeing it. I know you guys are finished with it, so – I hope you guys are having a little viewing party. I meant to ask you guys about that.

John: Yeah, we were actually just talking about doing that, probably here this week.

Andrew: Oh cool. I hope there’s Butterbeer of the alcoholic kind. I’m sure you guys could use it.

Bre: Oh, of course.

[Andrew and John laugh]

John: We’re all old enough now!

Andrew: [laughs] Cool. So again, it’s FindingHogwarts.com, you can go there. You can see the new trailer, which I really like. I really like that new trailer.

John: Thank you.

Andrew: You premiered that at LeakyCon, right? A couple of months ago.

John: We did. We did indeed. And actually we have a little surprise for you and all of you listening out there, because you’re so nice to have us. If you’re interested in the film and you watch the trailer and you would like to order the film, you can put in a little coupon code. What’s that coupon code all the MuggleCast listeners know so well?

[Andrew laughs]

Bre: Isn’t it “Ron” or something? Or it was “Ron” for some point.

Andrew: It’s been “Ron,” it’s been “Muggle” – let’s do “Muggle” if you…

John: Well, we’ll do “Muggle.” If you type in code “Muggle” we will give you five percent off your order.

Andrew: All right. I’m going to get…

John: And you’ll be able to use that now until the end of time.

Andrew: All right, cool.

Bre: Can you have Mason say this?

Andrew: I was just going to say.

[John laughs]

Andrew: I’m going to get Go Daddy guy, Mason, to record. He’ll be thrilled.

John: Yay!

Andrew: He finally has a new ad.

[Andrew and John laugh]

John: That’s awesome.

Andrew: Cool. And then you also have Facebook.com/FindingHogwarts and Twitter.com/FindingHogwarts.

John: Yes.

Andrew: Cool. Sounds good, guys. Thanks for coming on.

John: Oh, thank you very much for having us. And I hope everybody enjoys The Casual Vacancy, too.

Andrew: Oh yeah, have you guys started reading it?

Bre: No, not yet.

Andrew: Hmm.

John: Oh, we can’t sound like we’re that big of…

[Andrew laughs]

John: Not “big of fans.”

Bre: I mean I have it, but it just…

John: We’ve been so busy trying to wrap up all of the stuff for the film that we haven’t been able to sit down and start it. It’s kind of like trying to wrap up one chapter before moving on to the next one.

Andrew: Just like Jo.

John: And at least J.K. Rowling style, so yeah…

[Andrew laughs]

John: Exactly. I’m trying to figure out which song to play when it’s over, just like – what was that song she played when Deathly Hallows was done?

Bre: “Smile” by Lily Allen.

John: Yeah, I think we should just play that.

Andrew: Oh, was that it?

Bre: We should!

[John laughs]

Andrew: Well, she also raided her mini-bar, we just learned the other day, and downed a bottle of champagne. So, you should do that as well.

John: Sounds about right.

[Andrew laughs]

Bre: Jo did it, we can do it.

Andrew: Exactly. All right, thanks guys!

John: Thanks Andrew!


Show Close


Andrew: Okay, and that wraps up the show for today. We want to remind everybody to please visit the MuggleCast website. We want your feedback about The Casual Vacancy. We’ll continue to talk about our responses and your responses to the book. We took tweets this time, but we would like some longer form analysis – not too long because we have to read it on the show, so try to keep it to a paragraph what you think of the book, why you don’t think it was more popular with Harry Potter readers, why it’s getting the reviews that it is on Goodreads and Amazon. Just go to MuggleCast.com, click on “Contact” at the top, and there you’ll see a contact form to reach us. Then on the right side, as always, are the links to our iTunes where you can subscribe and review us, our Twitter which is Twitter.com/MuggleCast, Facebook which is Facebook.com/MuggleCast, and the fan Tumblr at MuggleCast.Tumblr.com. Anything else to plug? Gentlemen and lady?

[Prolonged silence]

Andrew: No. Speechless. Speechless in the words after a long podcast.

[Prolonged silence]

Micah: Pretty much.

Andrew: Are you all just winded? What’s going on? [laughs]

Eric: [laughs] I am contemplating picking up the book and continuing my read of it.

Andrew: Ahhh.

Micah: It’s literally sitting right in front of me on the table. You know, I was surprised when I went into the stores. I was worried, I didn’t know if I was going to get a copy or what the deal was going to be. But there were plenty there.

Eric: Micah, did you see my tweet? Did any of you happen to see my tweet? I walked into Barnes & Noble and the first thing I saw was the Nook table and it was actually so tall – about five feet tall, it had the e-book readers called the Nook – in front of it and there was a woman standing by the front who worked there and I asked her, “Do you have any copies left of the new J.K. Rowling book?” And she pointed and sure enough directly, like straight-on from the entrance but behind the five-foot-tall Nook easel was an easel of a hundred Casual Vacancy books. But it was blocked by the e-reader display, so you have to walk around it to get to the books. And for a second…

Andrew: Deceiving!

Eric: …I worried that they had sold out in Schaumburg, and I was shocked.

Andrew: Yeah, I don’t think they ran – I mean, I can’t imagine them running out. I think there were ample copies everywhere, you know what I mean?

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: So, I don’t think they had too much to worry about.

Micah: Well, three of the four of us are on another podcast called Game of Owns, so we might as well take the opportunity to plug that. Hopefully we’ll be doing another show in the not-too-distant future.

Andrew: Awesome.

Micah: Right, Eric? Selina?

Eric: Yeah.

[Prolonged silence]

Micah: Did we lose Selina? Oh okay.

Andrew: Selina is finishing the book.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: Go ahead, Selina. I keep hearing you.

Micah: She’s like, “Forget talking about us – talking to us. I’m going to go finish that book that I just crapped on for the last ninety minutes.”

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Selina, you have to tweet about if you cry or not because Jo is totally expecting you to cry.

[Show music begins]

Selina: I’m sure I will cry, it’s very sad. I mean, I care [laughs] about these people. I feel very betrayed. No, I’m sorry if I don’t speak a lot. It’s the stupid Skype. I don’t want everyone to think that I hate the book, because I really do not. It’s just not obviously what any of us were expecting, I think.

Andrew: All right. Well, we will see everybody next time for Episode 259. Goodbye!

Micah: Bye!

Eric: Bye!

Selina: Bye!

[Show music continues]