Transcript #167

MuggleCast 167 Transcript


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[Harry Potter theme plays]

Jim Dale: [as Professor McGonagall] This is Professor McGonagall welcoming you all to MuggleCast hoping you enjoyed – Dobby! Dobby, come here! Here! Dobby! [as Dobby] Yes, I’d just like to say how very pleased I am to introduce MuggleCast to all of you! Thank you! Thank you!

[Show music begins]

Andrew: Because MuggleCast has successfully completed another year of Harry Potter podcasting, this is MuggleCast Episode 167 for December 28th, 2008.

[Show music continues]

Andrew: And look at this. We’ve reached another year of Harry Potter podcasting. It’s the end of 2008. Welcome, everyone, to another edition of MuggleCast. We have a wonderful panel this week: Matt, Eric, Micah, Laura. They’re all here. Hey guys.

Laura and Matt: Hey.

Eric: [Speaking as Dumbledore] Another year gone.

[Andrew and Matt Laughs]

Matt: Oh, you went there.

Andrew: We should play that clip.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: [Speaking as Dumbledore] Another year gone. [normally] That’s a very memorable line. Just the way he says it. It was nice.

Matt: I know, because it’s like the little withered hand just goes, “Gone.”

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, it was nice. But we’re here to talk about the year that was 2008. There’s been a lot of news, and we’ve got some fun segments planned. We are going to look at the best of MuggleCast. We’re going to look at the best news stories. And just for fun, we’re going to try this little thing we’re going to call, “The First Annual MuggleCasties.” It’s an awards ceremony where we pick out some of the best stuff of the year in various categories. So – it’ll be fun, and we’ll have a good L-O-L and look forward to that. So let’s get right into it for our final show of 2008. I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: I’m Eric Scull.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Matt: And I’m Matthew Britton.

[Show music continues]


News: Deathly Hallows Movie Split


Andrew: Micah, it’s been a slow news week, but what’s been going on? Everyone’s on vacation – not making news, so we just have to deal with it.

Micah: Yeah, we’ve only had a couple pieces of news since we last released our show and one of them was concerning David Heyman. It was kind of a follow up to the news item we had on last week’s show where he was talking a little bit more about the split for Deathly Hallows, and he said that he’s still debating where the movie is actually going to be split, but he thinks that he may have found a spot. This was an interview that he did at his premiere of Yes Man last week. So what do you guys think? Where is this movie going to end up being split…

Matt: Hm…

Micah: And why is it taking so long for them to figure it out?

Matt: Why is it taking them so long to give us a freaking poster of the movie is what I want to ask.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: For Half-Blood Prince?

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: I think that they’re talking about minute details like where exactly to split it, you know…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And they’ve also got to – with part two – they’ve got to come into it. With a montage, or…

Andrew: It has to be exciting.

Eric: Or something – they’ve got to come into it. They can’t just, you know, open up with Harry, Ron, and Hermione going to Xenophilius Lovegood’s house. Or maybe it can. Or maybe they knock on the door and he opens up, and that’s the end of part one.

Andrew: I think that the reason that they’re still deciding is because – like Eric was sort of describing, it is a really big decision, where to split it. So if – they don’t want to take it lightly, because they have to end it with a very awesome ending, and then kick it off with a very cool opening…

Eric: Just story boarding.

Matt: And they have to film it, too.

Andrew: You know…

Eric: Yeah…

Matt: First.

Eric: Yeah they have to film it, and story boarding and planning the shoot, you know planning when they’re going to shoot what. It helps if you know which scenes are in the movie and which scenes you won’t have to worry about for another four months.

Laura: I think it would be cool if they did it – I have my copy open right now – if they did the split at the end of chapter 22, “The Deathly Hallows”, right after they get captured. And then they start the second movie at Malfoy Manor. I think that would be really sweet…

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: That sounds pretty good. Because they’re ending high, and they’re starting high.

Eric: Well, do you think they’ll start the Malfoy Manor scene in the beginning?

Matt: I think they may show a panoramic shot of the Malfoy Manor while they’re going up in the stage coach or something. That would be…

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: That would be a pretty good scene to end on. Like you don’t know which house – or you just found out it’s the Malfoy’s house or something. And then it goes to dark, or something.

Andrew: Will Harry survive the Draco’s – Draco’s lair? Tune in next time.

[Eric and Laura laughs]

Andrew: Something like that. Like an old school…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Tune in next time for the exciting conclusion. What else is going on this week, Micah?


News: Jason Isaacs Can’t Let Go of Potter


Micah: Just one more news story was in the Jerusalem Post. An interview with Jason Isaacs who really seems to love what he does on the Potter films. And, you know, he said that he had a ridiculously good time making the films and he recalled specific scenes with certain actors and actresses. But as far as the last book being made into two films, he says that he thought it was a mistake. And the reason he thought it was a mistake was because he would rather it were made into ten films so he could do it for the rest of his life.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Oh, that silly Jason. He had me fooled for a second.

Matt: Oh!

Micah: So…

Andrew: Well that’s nice of him. And you know – that really is nice to hear that one of the actors really, truly appreciates working on the films. You know, you’re not going to hear all the actors saying that.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Emma Thompson for example, who couldn’t wait to get out. [laughs]

Matt: Whatever Andrew, jeez. So she doesn’t like being in ten minutes of a three-hour film.

Eric: Yeah, I know. Really? That’s not…

Andrew: Well – hey – ten minutes of a film means you don’t have much to film so you could do two films at once if you wanted to. That’s my opinion. Was there anything else really, Micah?

Micah: No, that’s all I got.

Andrew: I say it with depression because I get sad when there’s no news. It’s one of my favorite segments to do here on MuggleCast. And…

Micah: Well, we’ll be talking about plenty of news in a couple minutes when we do the year in review.


Announcement: Azkatraz 2009


Andrew: As for announcements this week, we’d like to remind everyone that we’re going to be at Azkatraz 2009. Tickets – we just heard that tickets are running out very quickly for the IMAX – the midnight IMAX screening of – that would be Half-Blood Prince – I believe it’s called. HP2009.org. Tickets running out for the IMAX. Once the IMAX ones run out they are going to go to – there’s also going to be a normal theater playing it. So that will be cool, but you know, you may want to see it in IMAX, because there’s like twenty five minutes of 3-D footage, so that will be pretty cool.

Matt: And we’ll be there too. So you can say hi.

Andrew: Yeah. And then afterwards we’re going to be doing the live podcast; discussing the film and everyone’s excitement. So it’s going to be a huge party all night long.

Matt: Woo! No sleep!

Andrew: Until like 5:00 AM when we go to bed.

Matt: We’re not going to bed.

Andrew: Um.

Matt: No. We’re not going to bed.

Andrew: It’s Half-Blood Prince night. We wait an extra eight months for this.

[Laura laughs]

Matt: Yes. We made a YouTube video.


Announcement: Podcast Alley


Andrew: Don’t forget to vote for us on Podcast Alley. It’s December and we’re going into January, so we appreciate your vote there. And also – we’ll talk about this real quick – a few days ago MuggleNet debuted a brand new feature on the site – MuggleSpace. MuggleSpace.com. It’s the first and only – for now, until a million of them pop up now that we’ve done it – social network for Harry Potter fans.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: And it’s similar to Facebook and MySpace, hence MuggleSpace. I have to say – we’ve been kicking around this idea for a while…

Laura: Yeah, and…

Andrew: …and we finally brought it to life. And there it is. And it’s been a great success. We have close to five thousand members as of Friday night and a lot of people – it’s been getting great reviews. Better than I thought it would, to be honest with you. So – it’s been exceeding our expectations, I think. Check it out – MuggleSpace.com – you can connect with other Harry Potter fans and it’s just a – it’s a whole lot of fun.

Eric: Cool.

Andrew: Isn’t that right Micah and Laura?

Laura: Yeah, it is. Friend us.

Andrew: And Matt. Eric, you need to get a profile.

Eric: Yeah, I do need to get a profile.

Matt: Yeah, Eric.

Eric: Dude, I…

Andrew: It’s easy! Sign up today!

Eric: …what if there’s already an Eric? What am I going to do then? Am I going to do, like…

Andrew: Well, you can be Eric Scull.

Eric: Oh. But what if there’s already another Eric Scull? You never know.

Andrew: I’m searching. No there’s not. But it turned up a profile of a girl who I assume has you – yeah. “My friend still wears the shoes that Eric Scull signed”.

Eric: Oh!

Andrew: So there you go. You can learn things here on MuggleSpace.

Eric: Yeah, you can learn things. It’s very educational.

Matt: And there’s a chat that’s always going on, too.


Best of MuggleCast: Episode 134


Andrew: Okay, so as everyone knows, this is our year end episode and we want to look back and get lots of news and stuff that’s been going on – but we also want to look back at the best of MuggleCast. And we have a few clips we’re going to play this week and spread them throughout the show. So first we’re going to listen to – this was episode 134 for March 1st 2008.

[Andrew plays clip]

Andrew: Hi, everyone. Welcome back to the program. I just wanted to start the show off this week with a few e-mails I got about last week’s show. So let me kick it off here.

Jen, from New Jersey: “I just wanted to tell you that you accidentally dropped the F-bomb in Episode 133 at 59 minutes, 31 seconds. Just wanted to tell you so you can edit it out, or whatever.”

Ima Clone, from Nashville: “At 59:30 of Episode 133, you dropped an F-bomb. Not very family friendly, as you mentioned earlier in the episode.”

Jessica B., 17 of Cobleskill, NY: “You said a very bad word during minute 59 and you missed it again. Woops, slipping up in your old age.”

Nick B., 13 of Boston: “I can’t believe you dropped an F-bomb on the show and didn’t cut it out. Can you believe this was my mom’s first show? Just kidding, but I thought I might point it out to you. Hahaha.”

Emily, 18 of Lynchburg College, Virginia: “Just FYI, Andrew, you dropped an F-bomb that made it through editing at 59:31 on Episode 133. Just thought you should know. Not really concerned, but thought you might be.”

From Matt: “Hey, Andrew, you accidentally forgot to edit yourself out saying [beep] around 50, 60 minutes into the show. It is not really noticeable, but I thought I would let you know.”

Holleen: “You totally said [beep] on air at 59 minutes, 31 seconds. Oopsies!”

I know! I said the “F” word! Sorry! Argh!

Matt: What’s the…wait.

Laura: Now you know how I feel when you forget to edit me.

[Andrew sighs]

Matt: What’s the word? The F…Is it “fecal matter”?

[Laura laughs]

Matt: Is it “frustrated”?

Andrew: Yes, Matt, whatever you say.

Matt: Oh, wait. It’s [beep].

[Elysa and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: You said [beep] on the show, Andrew? You’re not supposed to say [beep] on the show.

Laura: I can’t [beep]-ing believe you [beep] said that, you [beep] moron.

[Series of beeps]

Andrew: Guys, seriously, seriously. Shut the [beep] up.

[Laura and Andrew laugh]

[Clip ends]

Andrew: So there you go. We got so many e-mails about that when that – after that aired. [laughs] Most of them positive saying that was funny, but we did get some people saying it was…

Matt: Yeah.


Muggle Mail: Beedle the Bard


Andrew: …a bit inappropriate, I guess. [laughs] Anyway, we’ll play some more clips throughout the show and later on. Let’s for right now get into MuggleMail this week. Who wants to take the first one?

Eric: Sweet. First MuggleMail this week comes from John, 36 of Chicago. He says:

Hey guys, I’ve enjoyed the podcast for a while now. I was especially into the chapter-by-chapter discussions, which is why I was interested in this podcast so much.

Mmm, good to hear it.

“In MuggleCast 165: ‘Beedle the Bard Analyzed,’ someone (I’m sorry, but I forget who) mentions the fact that ‘The Tale of the Three Brothers’ was word-for-word the same as the tale Hermione told in Book 7 at the Lovegood’s. This sparked a complaint amongst some of you that it would have been nice to have some difference between the two. I just got “Beedle” for Christmas and you’re right. It was word-for-word the same. But the thing that I think you guys missed in your discussion was that on page xi (11) of the introduction, Jo says that this is a brand new translation by Hermione Granger. So it makes sense that she would tell the tale the same way both times. In Book 7 she had spent months translating the story. When she retold it in Xenophilius Lovegood’s house, I would think she knew it by heart. Just to point this out as something to ponder. Merry Christmas, John.”

Andrew: Well, thanks for bringing that up because we did not see that. [laughs]

Eric: Well, we read it, though. We did discuss that it was her who translated it, but we just didn’t connect the two together.

Micah: I think what all of us were looking for was just more in-depth storytelling. As opposed to what we heard in Deathly Hallows we felt was a shortened version, and we were looking for maybe a little bit more to it. I don’t necessarily think that we were arguing the translation side of it. At least that was what I took away from it.

Andrew: well, we were saying why was the translation exactly the same.

Micah: Right. Yeah…

Andrew: So…

Micah: I understand that, but I was looking for more substance to the story, I guess you could say. More than just however many pages it ended up being in Beedle the Bard.

Andrew: Would you have felt that there should have been more – do you think you would have felt the same if that story actually wasn’t in Deathly Hallows? Do you know what I mean? Maybe you feel underwhelmed just because you already read it. Like, in hindsight, I’m not really complaining.

Micah: No.

Andrew: I thought it was fine. You know, the explanation in the beginning of the book that John points out was a great point.

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: I don’t know.

Eric: Well, does it feel like the other stories in Beedle the Bard – do you guys, does it feel like they were of a different tone? And then when you get to “The Three Brothers” it was like, a word-for-word what we heard in the book and it was nothing special. It felt like it was just pulled.

Andrew: Is that how you felt? I mean, I guess that would make sense.

Eric: Well, to be perfectly honest, I’m pulling a Micah and Goblet Of Fire movie at the moment. I don’t think I’ve – I haven’t read the book yet.

Andrew: You haven’t read it? Who are you?

Micah: It was…

Eric: Dude…

Andrew: Get off this show!

Eric: Dude, my December is like…

Andrew: I don’t care.

Matt: It is a pretty thick book, though.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: It was Order of the Phoenix, first of all, not Goblet of Fire that I didn’t see so…

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: But, I don’t know. I just think that – honestly, I don’t remember what the story was from Deathly Hallows. [laughs] So, to me reading it in Beedle the Bard was fine. You know, Eric, to answer your question, I felt like the stories got progressively darker as you went along throughout Beedle the Bard. So I didn’t really feel as if we were missing out on anything, but I could understand somebody making the argument saying, “Hey, well we got this in Deathly Hallows. Why is it exactly the same in Beedle the Bard? Shouldn’t there have been more to it?” But, at the same time, you get that in Dumbledore’s commentary.

Matt: And also, if they added more to the story, then it wouldn’t have made sense if Hermione didn’t say it in Deathly Hallows. Because then she left out a piece of the story…

Micah: Right.

Matt: …that could have been important for the Deathly Hallows.

Laura: Well, I almost thought – in Deathly Hallows, I thought she was just giving a summary of all the high points.

Andrew: Right. Me too.

Laura: Because if you look at the tales in the book, the rest are longer significantly than “The Tale of the Three Brothers”. So it’s not that I’m complaining about feeling like I was shorted out of something or that I felt like the story was lacking. I just feel that in terms of practicality, her translation for a new version of Beedle the Bard years and years after Deathly Hallows happened would not be exactly the same as the one that she told Harry and Ron when she was 17. But that’s just me.

Andrew: Yeah. But then again…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Like what’s been said, if it was a different translation, it would kind of be weird.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: From the – you know?

Eric: Yeah, both points are valid. And I wouldn’t look for something different as in new information, but even said differently, worded differently a little bit, or – you know, just eclectically told even just a little bit different would be refreshing, interesting, new. And it’s okay that they didn’t do that because, of course, we got lots of other Tales of Beedle the Bard that were all new and awesome.

Andrew: Eric has seen Half-Blood Prince but has not read Beedle the Bard.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Let’s try to make some sense out that one.

Eric: I bought it the day it came out. Come on, seriously. [laughs]

Andrew: We should make you read it, like, right now as we record, because it takes an hour to read. And you’re a speed reader; you could probably knock it out in half an hour.

Eric: No, I’m a speed typer. I can’t speed read.

Andrew: Well, you were beating us when we were reading Deathly Hallows, so…

Eric: Oh. Yeah, that’s true.

Andrew: You could read it faster than me.

Laura: That’s because you didn’t sleep.

Andrew: And I – huh?

Laura: That’s because he didn’t sleep.

Matt: He cheated!

Andrew: That’s true.

Laura: [laughs] We slept.

Eric: I’m one of, like – how many of us didn’t sleep? But I wasn’t the first one to get done. Someone else was…

Andrew: Kevin. Kevin was the first.

Eric: …the first one to get done. Kevin was the first? Well that’s because…

Laura: Yeah, that’s because he cheated.

Andrew: That’s right. Well, because every time we’d be like – he’d be like, “What page are you on?” And we’d be like, “Uh, 320.” And he’d be like, “Oh, you are about to hit something big.”

[Andrew Eric and Laura laugh]

Matt: I hate that…

Andrew: Remember that?

Matt: …when people do that.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: And Kevin just gets his own brand of enthusiastic down… [laughs] Cryptic.

Andrew: Right. “Oh, you are about to hit something.” It’d either be that or, “Oh, okay, you’re not at the big part yet.” [laughs] So funny.

Laura: Well then, didn’t Jamie also read like half of it, or at least the epilogue or something?

Eric: Yeah, some half of it or something.

Andrew: He did?

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh, that’s funny.

Laura: And I got there and I was like, “What the hell is wrong with you people?”

Andrew: Yeah.


Muggle Mail: Crookshanks


Matt: All right, our next e-mail comes from Rhonda, who is way too old to admit her age. But she’s from Illinois, so it evens out. Okay, so Rhonda says:

“I was listening to MuggleCast 166. Someone wrote in questions if Crookshanks could have been Lily Potter. On a similar line of thinking, until the end of the book, I had thought that Crookshanks could have been Regulus Arcturus Black, because Sirius was a dog Animagus. In astronomy, Sirius is ‘Alpha Canis,’ the dog star. Likewise, Regulus is ‘Alpha Lionis,’ the brightest star in the constellation Leo, a feline, marking Leo’s heart.”

So, what do you guys think?

Laura: I don’t know. I think it would have been overdone if we had more secret Animagi. That’s just me.

Andrew: Hey, Laura, we don’t belittle you when you…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: …give us a parallel.

Laura: No, I’m – I mean, it’s not that it’s a bad theory, it’s very well researched, but…

Andrew: Mhm.

Laura: …I mean, we already had Sirius and Peter Pettigrew.

Matt: Yeah.

Laura: So…

Matt: It is a cool connection, though, I have to say. Like, you wonder if she did it on purpose.

Andrew: It would have been cool, though.

Micah: And Rita Skeeter.

Laura: Yeah, I mean, there was a lot of that going on.

Eric: I think it’s more probable that Regulus was Crookshanks, because Lily is a girl and Crookshanks is a guy cat.


Muggle Mail: Filming Time


Laura: Next mail comes from Christopher, 21, of Ithaca, New York. He writes:

“Hello, MuggleCasters. I wanted to comment about your statement about the actual amount of shooting time for the new film. You state that it will take about fifty-four weeks. In reality, if you think about it, fifty-four weeks seems short when you think about the following: additional casting, airline flights to sets, hotel accommodations, set and prop preparations, children’s filming hours with going to school. In my opinion, I feel they would need more time to film in order to create an awesome movie. Thanks a lot for allowing my thoughts.”

Andrew: So there you go, that’s just a little insight on why on earth it’s taking fifty-four weeks. And it’s understandable. I mean, you know, it’s a lot. But then again, they do have huge crews and stuff, so, I mean…

Laura: We shall see.

Eric: I mean, I don’t know if the kids are being schooled anymore. They were. It was certainly a consideration for the first few films, but…

Andrew: Yeah. But some are.

Laura: Well, they’re still going to have extras that’ll – who are in school.

Andrew: Yeah. And like, Evanna.

Eric: And second unit filming, and stuff like that.

Andrew: And plus, like someone brought up last week, you know, the child labor laws really delay them a lot, too. For the extras. I mean, you know, they must have a really hard time filming in the Great Hall, with all the kids filling in.

Matt: Yeah.


Muggle Mail: Lord Voldemort Repenting


Micah: The next e-mail comes from Ruby, 15, of Seattle. She says:

“Hey, guys, I love the show and just finished listening to Episode 166. There was a part of this episode where you talked about Harry offering Voldemort a chance to repent. You mentioned that Harry gave him the option to save himself, but when I was reading the book, I always thought Harry almost said this out of desperation. On page 103 of the American edition, Hermione mentions that remorse – which I relate closely to the act of repenting – could kill the person who feels so. It made me think that maybe Harry was trying to get Voldemort to destroy himself without Harry needing to do anything but talk. Not that Harry is anything like a coward, but it was worth a shot. Just wanted to see what you thought. Keep up the great shows.”

Andrew: Do you guys think that makes sense? Like, do you think Harry really wanted to see if Voldemort would kill himself?

Laura: It’s possible.

Eric: I don’t know about killing himself. I mean, I think Harry is all about giving him as many choices as he can, because choices is the theme. You know, he wanted to give Voldemort a chance to repent, simply to see if he would do it, at this – his last, most vulnerable moment, after he knew that his Horcruxes were gone, and that he was really in trouble and in front of everybody, and he opted to not be perceived as weak by everyone, and opted not to repent, and got his – got his – his life
ended.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] It kind of would’ve been funny if Voldemort…

Laura: [laughs] Just like self-combusted? Like, he couldn’t take it, so he just like blew up.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: Just like exploded.

Laura: That would’ve been messy.

Andrew: Like, lava come up.

Matt: [in high-pitched voice] I’ve found the source of the ticking! It’s a pipe bomb!

Andrew: It’s like – what is it? – in the Flintstones, where smoke comes out of Fred’s ears? Was that it? [Imitates smoke blowing and laughs] Voldemort just went, “You know, you’re right.”

Laura: Boom!

[Andrew imitates explosion]

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: But that would teach kids like suicide, in a way, wouldn’t it? I mean, not that…

Laura: Yeah, feel bad about something and you’re going to blow up.

Andrew: I mean, not to say that Harry Potter – I guess you could argue that if it’s teaching suicide, then it’s also teaching people to kill other people, but…

Matt: Isn’t that the best lesson of all?

Laura: Homicide.


Muggle Mail: House Points Hourglass Comparisons


Andrew: Homicide, yeah. Okay, and the last e-mail today comes from Lorne, 24, of Denver, Colorado. And he writes – I assume it’s he, Lorne Michaels is the creator, or producer of SNL and he’s a dude, so I’m going to go with dude.

“Hi MuggleCast! I’m a new listener and loving every minute of it.”

Well, welcome, Lorne.

“I don’t really have a question or a suggestion, I have an observation about the endings of ‘Half-Blood Prince’ and ‘Hallows’ in relation to the House Point hourglasses at Hogwarts. I don’t know if this was intentional on Jo’s part but at the end of ‘Half-Blood Prince’ during the battle in the castle, someone smashes the Gryffindor hourglass and all the rubies inside are scattered across the floor. This happened on the same night that Dumbledore, a Gryffindor, met his demise atop the Astronomy Tower. In ‘Deathly Hallows,’ the same thing happens on the Slytherin hourglass with all the emeralds scattering and Voldemort, a Slytherin, meeting his downfall. I don’t know if you have ever talked about this before but you are always looking for connections throughout the books, so I thought I would share it. Again, I don’t know if it’s intentional, but do I think it’s interesting. P.S. Voldemort’s eyes are red in the books; Harry’s are green – opposite colors to the House they are in.”

So that’s a pretty cool parallel, too.

Laura: Yeah, it’s a nice use of symbolism.

Matt: Yeah, because Dumbledore fell off the Astronomy tower so when he hit the floor, Dumbledore probably went all over the place.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Matt: And when Snape got bitten by the snake, his blood went all over the place, so…

Andrew: How can you draw the parallel to that and Voldemort, though? Because he didn’t exactly explode.

Laura: He could’ve, if Harry would’ve let him.

Andrew: Aw, damn it! I wish! That would’ve been an awesome parallel.

Micah: Well, Snape also died that night, too.

Andrew: Yeah, and he was Slytherin, right?

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: No, he was Hufflepuff.

Andrew: Thought so. Wasn’t sure, just had to check.

Micah: [laughing] What’d you say, Laura?

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: I thought you said “no, he was Hufflepuff” or something like that.

Andrew: [laughing] I’ll play that back in editing and I’ll know exactly what you said.

[Laura laughs]


Best of MuggleCast: Episode 137


Andrew: Okay, well that’s Muggle Mail for this week, and it’s time to take a look at another of the best of MuggleCast of 2008. This would be our March 16th show, Episode 137, so let’s hear the clip.

[Andrew plays clip]

Jim: Hello, it’s nice to be with you.

Aziza: It’s great to have you here, and hear that voice. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. It’s kind of surreal hearing it outside the audiobooks.

[Jim laughs]

Andrew: We’ll start off the questions today with a recent news story. I’m not sure if you’ve heard about this yet, but they’ve decided to split the final film into two parts. Did you hear about this?

Jim: Yes, I read about that. You know, my only problem with the films is, you know, if a story is written for the screen and then it has a beginning, a middle, and end, including all the characters, when you take an existing story that lasts – when you listen to it or read it, it lasts twenty-seven hours, and you try to condense that into a two-hour film you’re surely missing out and losing a lot of parts of all the
story, all the side stories, and all the characters. I think sixty characters were missing from one of the films due to the fact they had to edit the story down so much. So that’s a pity, but if they’re going to make it into two films, then at least it gives all of us a chance of seeing and hearing a little bit more of the stories and the subsidiary characters in the story. I’m very pleased that they’re doing that.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Aziza: Yeah.

[Clip ends]

Matt: What a wise man.

Andrew: So there’s a clip of the Jim Dale interview, and you know what was so great about him? We didn’t even ask him a question about that. We were about to, but we just asked him had he heard the story and he just jumped into a great explanation of why he felt like it was a good idea.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: I wonder where he got that fact from. We never really talked about that. He said that from one of the films he heard sixty characters were cut.

Eric: That’s my comment, that Jim Dale is so brilliant and he knew, again with the 27 hours, he knows how long his audiobooks are. He knows how much work he put in and how much came out of it. He knows his own stuff, he knows his own work, and so for him to say sixty characters were cut out of a film, that’s possibly something maybe he even looked up.

Andrew: I was going to say, he totally counted them himself! [laughs]

Eric: Those are sixty characters that he voiced that weren’t in the movie.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: That could be something that he knows, just because he’s
that cool and that into – the work and the character. It could be part of his preparation. You guys should have asked him actually, on the show.

Andrew: Yeah. Do you think he kept a tally when he was watching, let’s say it was Prisoner of Azkaban, do you think he just like kept a tally throughout the movie whenever he – he had the book in hand and was like paging through?

Eric: No, that’s like O.C.D.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: I don’t think he’s crazy, I just think he’s good at what he does.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: I just think he’s thorough.

Micah: That was such a great interview.

Laura: I can just see him sitting there, like taking names off, being like, “Where the hell is Peeves?”

Andrew: Where the bloody hell is Peeves?

Matt: [laughing] I can just see him going, “Ah! They cut this one, too! Doh! God!”

Andrew: Yeah. Bollocks!

Micah: [lauhging] Well he was so attached to some of the characters though, because he said, especially in that conference that he drew so many of the voices from people he knew in his real life.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: And it was really such a pleasure seeing him there at Portus. Micah and I – I’ll never forget that moment, Micah!

[Micah laughs.]

Andrew: Just sitting there, watching with you, and then we turned heads and stared into each other’s eyes and…

Matt: And that group photo we all took. That was awesome.

Andrew: What?

Matt: That group photo we took with Jim.

Laura: Aw.

Andrew: Oh yeah, that one without me.

Matt: So nice…

Andrew: Thanks, guys.

Eric: Hey, remember that time you guys all went and saw JKR except for me?

Andrew: Hey, remember that time – were you even there?

Eric: No, I wasn’t there.

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: Well, I was there and I didn’t get to see ’em. You guys all ditched me in the hotel room.

Andrew: Oh yeah, that’s true.

Laura: [laughing] I remember that.

Andrew: That was so funny. I don’t know if we ever told this story on MuggleCast; we may have. I think we did, actually, on that “Dumbledore is gay” episode but…

Laura: Did we?

Andrew: The first thing, we just came into the hotel room and Matt and Elysa and her friend Sean were in there, and the first thing we said was, “Guys, Dumbledore is gay!”

[Laura laughs]

Matt: Yeah. Well, okay. We opened the door and literally, right when it cracked open, we heard the word “gay” like fifteen times from five different people. “Gay! No, he’s gay! He’s gay! Oh my god, he’s gay! Gay!” That’s all I heard.

Andrew: It was so much fun telling people. It still is.

Laura: But see, you guys didn’t even believe us at first. You were like, “Nooo!”

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] Nooo.

[Laura laughs]

MuggleCast 167 Transcript (continued)


Best of 2008: Top 7 News Stories


Andrew: Keeping on the theme of our year in review, we’re going to talk about the top news stories of 2008, and we’re going to do something different this year. You know, make it a little more exciting. We’re going to count down the top seven stories of 2008.

Eric: Counting backwards.

Matt: Yeah, we’re going backwards. Right?


#7: Harry Potter: The Exhibition


Andrew: Yeah, counting backwards. So it will lead up to the number one story, and we’ll leave everyone guessing what the number one story will be. So let’s kick it off. The seventh – counting down, starting with number seven: Warner Brothers announcing Harry Potter: the Exhibition. And Eric, I want to jump right in and first ask you, have you gotten your tickets to this yet? Because it’s right there in your town of Chicago.

Eric: I have not secured my tickets per se – but IDK my BFFs the Phelp twins have assured me that I will be there. So…

Andrew: What, are you in touch with them or something? [laughs]

Eric: Oh, yeah.

Andrew: Are you really? No, you’re not.

Eric: No.

Andrew: Yeah, I was going to – [laughs] Well, yeah. You can get tickets online. So, you may as well get them soon.

Eric: No. Actually, you’re exactly right. This news story totally reminds me. And along with the IMAX at Azkatraz, I have to make sure we have those, too.

Andrew: Yeah. Give you a to-do list.

Eric: Because of the movie. That would be a fun podcast to do if I hadn’t seen it.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] Well, yeah. Well, what is – why are we putting this here on the top seven stories of 2008? Personally, I think it’s a really, really cool thing for the fandom. Because who – you know, everyone – well, you don’t say it because it’s kind of impossible for 99.999% of the fandom, but everyone wants to go to – it would be so cool to check out the Harry Potter sets in person. And this is like, in a way – I really think it’s going to feel like being on the Harry Potter set. We saw the concept art and they’re going to have these great rooms to put everything on exhibit, so I think it’s going to be really cool.

Eric: I mean, it is a big deal. Along with the movies, this is pretty much the biggest thing that’s going to happen within the next couple years, the movies and conventions. That is – it’s huge. It’s absolutely huge because before now, the only place you could go for movie set stuff was Burbank, California – the Warner Brothers studio lot…

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Where they had the Ford Anglia and a few of the costumes. But this is something that is going to Japan and Chicago and all sorts of other places.

Matt: Like Cumming, Georgia.

Eric: It’s a really big deal.

Laura: Yeah, it’s coming to Cumming. I think like anything else that we have going on in the fandom post-Book 7, I think it’s just another – nice little thing to serve as a remembrance. You know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Because, it’s like, we can look back on – I mean, even – gosh! I remember the first Harry Potter movie came out when I was, like, twelve.

Matt: Oh!

Laura: So, going and seeing some of this stuff, that’s going to take me back to when I was still twelve and we still only had four Harry Potter books out.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: It sort of just reminds you of that excitement you once had. So…

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: It’s going to take you into the future, too. Because they are going to be putting items from Half-Blood Prince on display, too. So, we’re going to have some déjà vu.

Laura: Nice.

Andrew: It could be like, “Oh my god, I saw that” and hopefully, touched it.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Micah, what do you think?

Micah: I just think it’s a great opportunity for fans. It’s – just going off what Laura was saying earlier, it’s just kind of – the chance for people to go out and hang on, in some small way, to the series. I think there will be more and more things like this over the course of the next couple of years as sort of a remembrance to what it meant to everybody.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

Eric: Do you think? I mean, there’s one thing like this. I haven’t classified this as being like… Now that you guys are saying it, it reminds me of watching – like some people watch the Lord of the Rings documentaries, thirty hours of documentaries on how they did everything. You know, this museum being kind of like that. I don’t think there will be spinoff things. I think this was – you know, depending on how successful this is, it might find a permanent home somewhere. But I
don’t know necessarily about spinoffs, Micah.

Andrew: Well, I’ve always hoped that eventually, they’ll turn Leavesden Studios into a little museum. I mean, that would be awesome. It would be a sin to take down the Great Hall set and Dumbledore’s office set.

Matt: And it’s just…

Andrew: That’s a true sin! [laughs]

Matt: It’s sad because a lot of the set designers, they put a lot of work and detail into this stuff, and you only get to see what? Like a few seconds or a few minutes at the most of it and then they just tear it down.

Andrew: Yeah, but it’s over seven films, so…

Matt: It’s just nice to respect the people that take the time to put their work into this and that other people get to see it up close and marvel at how nice it is.

Andrew: Speaking of that, they – I’ll get to you in a second, Micah, but while Matt’s talking about this, the sets on – the Order of the Phoenix set, Half-Blood Prince set, they build these and tear them down like, so quickly. Because as big as Leavesden Studios is, they’ve got to keep – they need more room for all the sets. So they’ll take a set and then – it’s called striking. They’ll strike it as soon as it’s done. And it’s a shame because there’s so much they could do with that. But, you know, they just have to get rid of this stuff, and it’s kind of depressing. Go ahead, Micah.

Micah: I was just going to talk about what Eric was saying with the spinoffs. I didn’t necessarily mean spinning off of the exhibition, but I meant more of these sort of ancillary events… where you have like a tenth anniversary of Sorcerer’s Stone and follow that up with tenth anniversary of Chamber of Secrets. You have this exhibition, you have Beedle the Bard, which isn’t as big as the previous books, and I’m sure – I just have a feeling J. K. Rowling will do more charity books in the coming years. So I still think that you’ll have these little pieces, not specifically one thing, but all these little different moving parts that’ll keep the fandom going.


#6: Harry Potter Leaves New York Times Best Seller List


Andrew: Yeah, definitely. Story number six: Harry Potter leaves the New York Times Best Seller List for the first time in a decade. How about this? This was – the reason why this is on the list is because it really was a milestone, and we talked about this when the news broke. So many fans were upset and they were like, this is over! This means the fandom’s over! But, it was kind of a sad story to report.

Micah: I remember Laura responding to this on one episode. I can’t remember what you said though.

Laura: Oh gosh.

Andrew: In a positive way, or what?

Micah: I think it was more of a “Hey, everybody, chill out,” kind of…

Laura: Oh okay. Because I hope that I don’t come out and say something that’s the complete opposite of what I said before.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Laura: That’s kind of how I feel about it though. Like, yeah. There aren’t any more coming out. Of course it’s not going to be on the New York Times Best Seller List forever.

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: I think it’s naive to expect that.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: Who else could have rivalled that though? Has any other series rivaled that?

Andrew: No…

Eric: No.

Andrew: I mean, nothing’s been like it.

Eric: I mean, we talked about – this was a topic that got its own show, or at least got a big part of a show, when it came out. It invented new lists on New York Times because it, you know, it invented the Children’s – it was singlehandedly responsible for the New York Times Children’s Best Seller List because no other book could sell as well as Harry Potter and Harry Potter, this quote “kid’s book”, was at the top of the New York Times Best Seller List, which, you know, Dr. Atkins was all indignant [laughs], you know…

Andrew: Right.

Eric: So they had to create all these separate lists and really looked at and challenged the way that even such lists were created, but challenged sales and the way everything was looked at, you know.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: It’s just changed everything.

Andrew: I don’t know if I ever told this story on MuggleCast – I don’t think I did – but when I used to run my little Harry Potter website, I used to have a page called – something related to the Best Seller List. And every week I would – my dad would, this was my dad’s idea, and for some reason I liked it. I rarely like an idea he gives me for MuggleNet these days, or the podcast. But he will – would give me the New York Times Best Seller List and then I would update my site with the rankings. Because he found it so fascinating, and I think a lot of people did, that it consistently stayed on top. And that was really one of the first signs of its huge popularity. Like Eric was saying, it was the reason for creating the Children’s List. So…

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: I think it’s, of course, extremely remarkable. The one thing the original article pointed out from May first of this year was that it was less than a year after Deathly Hallows was published. Does that surprise anyone at all? That the final book in the Harry Potter series left the New York Times Best Seller List after a year?

Matt: No…

Laura: Not really.

Andrew: Okay.

Matt: I mean…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: The fact that it sold for a year, you know, usually…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: You think of a hyped book being out, selling great in the first few months. I mean, that consistently sold all year round. That’s how many people were continuously getting into it for the first time…

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: And reading it for the first time, up to a year afterwards. Think about how many people have that book…

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Here’s the other thing, and so the question with this is news post is what does the story mean for the fandom symbolically and everything? Think about how many people have that book…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And all those people are going to have kids when the book is around, when it comes out on paperback, you know? That’ll sell well. And when it comes out on paperback it’ll probably make another appearance on the Best Seller List possibly. But all of that – think about how many people have the Harry Potter books. And that’s just to show how many there are out of the world, how many people will continuously be exposed to it. The fact that it left the Best Seller List just means from now on people will be getting their Harry Potter books from libraries or other sources. From family members more, you know?

Andrew: Right.

Matt: Well I could understand why some of the fans were just upset because mainly it’s just because, you know, it’s just like a wakeup call to the fact that stuff doesn’t last forever, and stuff moves on. You know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: You just have to change.

Andrew: So – I don’t know. And this was [laughing] looking back on the news post I made. This was before we found out that Beedle was going to be published, so at the last paragraph I put, “Once J. K. Rowling’s Potter encyclopedia is released, we’re sure Potter will make a comeback.”


#5: Half-Blood Prince Trailers


Andrew: Story number five: The Half-Blood Prince trailers, all as a group together. They certainly sparked a lot of excitement in the fandom and I’m pretty sure that for each of these trailers we did a live podcast, didn’t we? So that was a lot of fun for us personally. And why is this on the list?

Matt: [laughing] It’s all we had.

Andrew: [laughs] Well yeah, true. It was just so – it pumped a lot of excitement into the fandom. I think besides the book releases and the movie releases, the next most exciting things are book titles, book covers, and movie trailers. We got three this year and ironically enough, the movie’s not even coming out until next year. So…

Matt: But that’s another number. That’s another one.

Andrew: That’s another story.

Eric: Yeah. I mean, it is another number, too. And we – you know, we could talk about the prolonged time lapse between getting the first trailer and, you know, all the stuff we found out in between getting the latest trailer. But the latest trailer and why I think this is significant – and maybe this should be the point – is that the latest trailer made everyone okay – or the closest to okay – they will be with waiting for next year to see the movie that everyone – I mean, has it not received unanimous praise from everyone? We did a live show and just for an hour and a half to two hours, everyone could only say awesome things about it.

Andrew: Right.

Matt: Well, all the Harry Potter trailers are always awesome. Well, I mean, let’s face it. They’re all pretty good.

Andrew: They really are.

Eric: That is true. We’re all excited to see everything.

Andrew: I can’t remember ever seeing a trailer and being, like, oh, this sucks. They’re just always so well done. And some trailers for movies are bad.

Laura: My only qualm with some of the trailer is – and Andrew, you and I have talked about this. It was the guy that they get every now and then.

Andrew: The voice guy?

Laura: Yeah. [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Laura: We were making fun of…

Andrew: What if…

Laura: Him online one day.

Andrew: Oh, yeah.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: That’s right.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Right.

Eric: They just give him something to say and he says it. They just give him a script. He’s just reading what they gave him.

Andrew: Yeah. I really – yeah. And I have to say, those three trailers were three, probably, of the funnest days of the year for me, [laughs] which may sound lame. But I just love doing live MuggleCast episodes. And it’s always so much fun to do them then, because you’re really capturing the excitement of the fans when we take the live calls and from ourselves, too. And for, I know, two out of these three trailers, we did a live show hours after it came out – each one came out. So, it’s very exciting and – do you guys think we’re going to get – how many more trailers [laughs] could we be seeing? We got to get at least one more, right?

Laura: Yeah, we have to get at least one more.

Eric: Maybe one. One in March.

Andrew: So that’s four trailers. I mean, that’s – normally we would not have received four full…

Matt: This is really weird.

Andrew: Length trailers.

Matt: Yeah, because we received, like, three full teaser trailers. Or teaser trailers, period. And we haven’t gotten any real, you know, promos or anything. Like…

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Posters, or billboards, or anything.

Eric: Yeah, but I’m glad. I mean, I’m glad because I think they overdid it with Movie 4 particularly.

Matt: Order – oh, you think so? Because I think they overdid it with Order of the Phoenix.

Eric: Well, when was it – I mean, it was Movie 4 I know they were posting five to ten minute scenes…

Laura: Oh, yeah.

Eric: Of the movie.

Andrew: Oh, yeah.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: Order of the Phoenix did that too. I hate that.

Matt: Yeah. I think they both did that.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Yahoo! Movies always gets, like, a bunch of clips.

Eric: I’m not…

Andrew: It sucks.

Eric: Even cool with what, like, ABC Family does. Like, I’m not even cool with that. Complete…

Andrew: But those are, like, a minute. I mean…

Eric: I know. It’s cool. It’s cool. But I just get edgy when I hear about it.

Andrew: You’re just, like, oh, I’ve already seen this.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: I already…

Matt: I mean…

Andrew: Saw the whole film.

Matt: Like…

Eric: No.

Matt: All you really…

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: …see in those ABC Family things are just the actors going, “Yeah, this is…” Like, Rupert going, [impersonating Rupert Grint] “Yeah, this is a really cool movie. It’s really fun.”

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Laura: “And this one’s so…”

Matt: I mean…

Andrew: “I love this movie. ”

Laura: “…much darker…”

Matt: That’s all you hear.

Laura: “…than the last one.”

Eric: And Michael Gambon…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: …looking, like…

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: …he knows what he’s talking about…

Matt: Yeah, I love that, Laura. [laughs]

Eric: …for the first time ever.

Matt: Every single time, they go [in fake British accent] “Yeah, this movie is a little darker than the other one because the story’s darker and, you know, they get older and, you know, they get into the adulthood.”

Eric: I think they have a script too.

Andrew: Yeah, Eric, I brought that up on the show last week. Michael Gambon really sounded intelligent this time.

Eric: Sounded like he knew what he’s doing. I know.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Like, he really appreciated it too.

Andrew: It was cool.

Matt: Well, he dies in this one. I mean…

Eric: Well, somebody told him [unintelligible].

Matt: He’s got to get serious.

Eric: And I think that’s the thing. He dies.

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: So he’s sad.

Eric: And so…

Andrew: I wonder if he’s sad to be leaving the films.

Laura: Well, he’s not.

Eric: He’ll be in the next movie.

Matt: He’ll be in the next movie.

Andrew: Oh, right. That’s true.

Eric: He’ll be in the next two.

Andrew: Well, it’s true.

Matt: Just not as much.

Andrew: Oh, yeah. So I guess he doesn’t care. [laughs]

Eric: All right. Number…

Andrew: Next.


#4: Deathly Hallows Split in Two


Eric: Four, please.

Andrew: Number four story. Just want to remind you, we’re counting down the top stories of 2008. And we’re counting from seven to number one, the biggest story.

Matt: If you…

Andrew: Number four…

Matt: Just joined us, we’re talking about the top stories in Harry Potter.

Andrew: Hey, I’m reminding people because sometimes people zone out while they’re listening to the show.

Eric: Well, and remember…

Andrew: And, you know…

Eric: …before we get to – before we do number one, we’re going to have to stop for commercial break like all those VHR shows.

Andrew: [laughs] Right. Right.

Eric: The countdown for the…

Andrew: The number one story [pauses] will be revealed right after this break.

Eric: And let’s review the last three. No, just… [laughs] Let’s…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Get on.

Andrew: All right, number four. Deathly Hallows split into two separate films. This happened very…

Matt: Now, I think that this…

Andrew: Early…

Matt: Should be…

Andrew: On the year.

Matt: The top ones.

Andrew: What?

Matt: I think this should be higher up. That’s my opinion.

Andrew: Why? And why didn’t you…

Matt: Because this was…

Andrew: Suggest it last night? Oh, wait, you did.

Matt: I did!

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Matt: Oh, I so did! Don’t you even start. I said no…

Andrew: I just said…

Matt: I don’t like…

Andrew: You did.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Well, personally the reason I think it belongs where it is, is because one, the three other stories were much bigger. And this story sort of built up. There were several rumors going on prior to the official announcement. And even the producers said, yeah, we’re looking at this and considering this. And how often do they ever comment on a rumor like this that is pretty damn big? So, I don’t – Warner Brothers certainly was not keeping this under wraps. And this – also with this official announcement came the announcement of David Yates directing Movie 7. So, what do you guys think? What do you think this is really – I mean, in hindsight – well, I’ll look at it this way. Nobody complained. I mean…

Matt: No.

Andrew: I don’t think anybody complained…

Matt: Well…

Andrew: Right?

Laura: No.

Matt: This is basically…

Laura: Didn’t we do a live show for this?

Matt: What every fan…

Andrew: Yeah, we did.

Matt: Yeah, we did. We did a…

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: Big live show.

Andrew: Yeah. It was two hours.

Laura: Everyone was really excited.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: It was fun.

Eric: I think what we could say then is what we can say now, that it just seems like they wanted to give it the proper adaptation. And…

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: The…

Matt: Well, this is what every fan says they want in the movies.

Eric: Yeah.

Matt: They’ve always said, if…

Eric: Longer films.

Matt: Only they did this into two movies.

Eric: More of it.

Matt: Yeah, they want a longer movie or you know, it’s split into two, which is you know, up – up till the Deathly Hallows film it was just, you know, unimaginable. None of the fans ever thought it would ever happen.

Eric: Yeah, we wanted it. I mean, you know, we were thinking even as early as Goblet of Fire people were saying you know, just make it two movies – make it two movies and it was never seriously considered.

Andrew: I remember David Heyman said they even considered that for Goblet of Fire.

Laura: Oh yeah that’s right.

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah which is interesting in they finally did it with Deathly Hallows and everyone was like – I mean the greed accusations and all that came later, but everyone was just genuinely happy.

Andrew: [laughs] Came later. I think they came pretty damn quick.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: People, you know…

Matt: Who cares? I mean, geez.

Andrew: And the reason this film was split was the same reason why the movie got delayed – Half-Blood Prince got delayed. So – I think this was definitely one of the most exciting stories because you know it’s an eighth film but I can’t imagine them, like, because once you split Goblet of Fire, don’t you have to split the rest?

Laura: Yeah, thatís what I was thinking too.

Matt: Yeah.

Laura: That would – I don’t think they really needed to split either Order of the Phoenix or Half-Blood Prince, I don’t think.

Andrew: Could you imagine how much longer it would take for the whole series to complete though? I mean…

Laura: Oh my god.

Andrew: We’d be in what – 2018 probably?

Laura: We would all have kids…

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: By the time they finish these movies. Like…

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: No!

Micah: So would the trio. [laughs]

[Everybody laughs]

Matt: The trio could play in the epilogue and they wouldn’t need any makeup.

Andrew: Yeah, oh yeah.

Eric: Yeah, I think they – I think they played it well.

Andrew: That’s true. I really think that one of the reasons behind Goblet of Fire not being split is that they would have had more pressure to split the others and time wise that’s just impossible.

Eric: Especially because – yeah, especially because by then Book 5 was a lot longer than Book 4.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: And let’s be honest, nobody on that cast and crew wanted to be producing these films for twenty years. I mean you got to move on at some point.

Eric: Well, I think it’s – itís what Laura and Micah were saying about – just the age…

Andrew: Them growing up, yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. It’s true. They’ve timed it nicely. I remember – do you guys remember this? Maybe I’m just making this up but with the first couple of films there were a lot of concerns of “oh gee they’re going to be, you know, twenty by the time the last film’s out and they’re going to…”

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: “Look so old and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.” Do you remember that?

Matt: Well, no, when the first movies came out, they discussed that they would just change the actors.

Andrew: Well, yeah. There was a little talk of that.

Matt: Oh, yeah they’re expendable. We’ll just get another one when they get too old.

Andrew: Well, then it became a hit and that was obviously a dumb decision. But it’s also weird that there used to be a day where – I mean it was just in 2007 when they confirmed that they were signed on through all seven films. I remember – remember that we used to have discussions and there used to be days where you know, we would be like, “Do you think they’ll come back?”

Laura: Well, wasn’t there one point where Emma Watson hadn’t signed on…

Andrew: Yeah that was the big one.

Laura: Because she was considering going to school?

Eric: [sighs] But who else would they recast? You know?

Andrew: They just keep throwing million dollar bills at her until she said yes. I’m sure. I mean – you know, how can you say no to that either? That’s a huge career move for you.


#3: Half-Blood Prince Delayed Eight Months


Andrew: Story number three. Some may argue this was the biggest and when we get to our Twitter segment in a minute, we’ll see that most people did say this was the biggest. Half-Blood Prince delayed eight months. And the first question I want to ask is: where were you guys when the story broke? Because it’s one of those things where you – you know, it’s one of those breaking things like big world events where you remember where you were. I hope all you guys remember, because I sure do.

[Laura laughs]

Matt: Yeah. Well I was with you so I – I remember it.

Micah: I think Laura told me, actually. I was at work.

Laura: Did I?

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: See I know I was at home for the summer but I don’t remember exactly what I was doing or how I found out. I probably read it.

Eric: The MuggleNet – the MuggleNet news story is August 14th, that’s the date for it.

Laura: Yeah. No, I was definitely at home.

Eric: And the thing too was the lead-up. You’ve got to understand too – the lead-up – like where were we? Well, part of where we were when that happened was completely in confusion and anxiety over the fact that the movie was supposedly coming out two, three months and we hadn’t seen or heard near anything…

Andrew: That’s true.

Eric: From WB. You know, so, it was a surprise – it was a shock and it certainly was in its own way, you know, completely controversial. But we were wondering about it – and so where were we, well, we were waiting for news about the movie, not that it had been delayed, not that anyone suspected that it would be delayed, especially months.

Matt: No it was – like it wasn’t really like out of the blue if you think about it because I mean we waited for how long? We thought that the trailer for Half-Blood Prince would come out in May of this year.

Eric: Yeah, and it just didn’t and there were months when it just didn’t, and we didn’t really – we didn’t even really question it that much. I mean we did, kind of, but…

Andrew: [laughs] I was posting news stories every week – like when people would send us in a report, “Yeah I work in this movie theater and there’s no Half-Blood Prince trailer on this reel.” So then I’d post, “no trailer with Kung Fu Panda.

Eric: Yeah. [laughs] Yeah, I remember that.

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: And Micah did you do a – did you do a What’s Buggin’ Micah with the movie?

Micah: I don’t think so. I didn’t start…

Andrew: It really bugged you.

Micah: With all the pictures.

Eric: Maybe that’s why it was delayed.

Laura: [laughs] Micah.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Laura, what did you say?

Laura: I was just going to say I remember when we finally got the teaser trailer with young Tom Riddle in it and I was like, thank God, we know there’s actually a movie being filmed now.

Andrew: Oh yeah. [laughs]

Laura: And then like two weeks later, they’re like, “Oh, never mind.”

Andrew: I don’t even think it was two weeks…

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: It was like a week, wasn’t it?

Laura: Yeah pretty much, yeah.

Andrew: It was so quick. [sighs]

Laura: Well and I just remember my initial reaction was like, “Oh God, what’s wrong with the movie,” like, I was like something happened and I was freaking…

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Out about it. [laughs]

Matt: Yeah. Who died?

Andrew: I remember exactly where I was – I was in Target and…

Matt: We were in line at Target.

Andrew: We were in line at Target. I was staring at the magazines, looking at Empire magazine’s fall Half-Blood Prince preview and there’s Harry Potter on the cover. But I remember Ben called and then Eric called and then Eric was like, [imitating Eric] “I just tried to call you!” And I was in Target where, you know, the reception can be bad when you’re in department stores. And so I didn’t get his first call.

Matt: That’s not true. He really just didn’t want to talk to you, Eric.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s…

Eric: I thought so. I thought so, because I was like – I knew I was like the first person who was going to break the news to him though. So…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Just so it’s on the record that I called him, and then Ben called him…

Andrew: You called me first. And then by the time Ben had called me, I had reception, I guess.

Eric: But it was up on – you got it up on MuggleNet then pretty fast. So…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: I mean, I thought it was a joke.

Andrew: Yeah. Well, I look at this news post now, and it’s seriously the darkest news post we’ve ever made.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: It’s like a funeral! [laughs] It’s like a death sentence. It’s just terrible. [laughs] And I really did feel like a part of me died inside. I’ve said that multiple times and I wasn’t kidding. So that was number four and – we’ll discuss this in a minute, but a lot of people felt like…

Micah: Three.

Laura: That was three.

Matt: That was number three.

MuggleCast 167 Transcript (continued)


#2: J.K. Rowling vs. RDR Books Trial


Andrew: Sorry. And a lot of people felt like that was the biggest story of 2008, but we’ll discuss that in a minute. Story number two. Oh boy, here we go. The J.K. Rowling v. RDR books trial. This was held in – it was April and – oh no, sorry, it was March.

Eric: But it spanned months.

Laura: Yeah, it went for a long time.

Andrew: Right. I just want to check to make sure. I mean, the actual…

Matt: It spanned for almost an entire year.

Andrew: The trial itself was held in March and it was from the thirteenth to the sixteenth, or the fourteenth to the sixteenth. And man, that was a crazy week on MuggleNet, wasn’t it? I mean, for all…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Just like news post demise.

Matt: It was scary for the fandom. Because…

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Especially for MuggleNet and other web sites because this could – the outcome could have seriously affected all the fan sites of Harry Potter.

Eric: And all of the fan fiction writers were worried as well and the implications that everything would have.

Matt: Oh yeah.

Eric: And what’s fun for me is going back to that week in MuggleNet news posts and just – I like watching the thumbnails of each because we would have different press photos of Jo…

Andrew: Right.

Eric: In the business suit, showing up at each trial.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Kind of like the different aggravated and like the RDR books spokesperson was like, you know, everything was happening and we were totally with it. At every step of the way, every time someone said something, we’d have their picture looking, you know, completely disgruntled and attacked, defensive, and just – it was great. It was great. Looking at the news post thumbnails is fun.

Andrew: Well, let me just say while Eric’s on that. I’ll tell you real quick that there was so much news being posted that I felt that we had to have different thumbnails because otherwise they were all going to look the same.

[Matt and Laura laugh]

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Because there was so much news related to it, so we were making thumbnails like crazy. And thank God for Yahoo! News, they had like a whole page where you would just keep on going back to for [laugh] the latest on the thumbnail for the trial.

Matt: [laughs] Yeah. They had like a gallery every like ten minutes.

Andrew: Yeah, they did. It was a trial gallery.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, I got to say thanks to those people for taking so many pictures.

Micah: I just remember going to you, “I need a thumbnail. I need a thumbnail. I need a thumbnail.” It was – but it was also fun. I mean, it was a very busy week of news, but I thought it was fun because you were really following everything that was going on and you know like Eric said, we were literally on top of everything and getting news up as quickly as we possibly could. I remember there was some blog on The Wall Street Journal that was following it.

Andrew: That was very helpful.

Micah: Yeah, in terms of explaining everything…

Andrew: Right.

Micah: …that was going on legally.

Andrew: And getting reports from inside the court room because they would update like – in the morning. They would update during the court lunch break. So you would have a morning report and then they would update at the end of the day, so then you would have the report from afternoon. So that was really helpful. And I’m going to say, hard for me because I did not – I don’t know this court crap so I was very reliant on The Wall Street Journal blog who put it into simple terms. And I just still have memories of just sitting in Rowan in the library, and just sitting there at the table just figuring out this stuff.

Eric: Being such a challenging case for copyright law, just the episodes when we got into it and we questioned, we went over copyright law and its definition, its legal parameters – that was all really cool. And it allowed us develop and really talk about stuff, and try to handle it informingly and not just emotionally.

Andrew: Definitely. Yeah.

Eric: That was really good.

Andrew: And that was one of our best episodes. Because we – and that whole copyright law thing was very intriguing. Because we broke it down, point by point, we tried to figure it out from an unbiased stand point. And we got a lot of feedback about that, and I remember specifically at Portus, who listened to the show – it was one person at least from this podcast called SnapeCast.

Laura: Oh yeah.

Andrew: And they came up and said, “Thank you. You discussion was excellent, and it was fair. [mumbles] Unlike other podcasts. So thank you for that and it was great. And I was like, “Well thank you. I really appreciate that. That’s really good to hear.”

Eric: That was very passionate.

Andrew: Some people were upset, let’s be honest. We did get some e-mails saying, I can’t remember, but some people didn’t like it.

Micah: Well, I think no matter what…

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: …people are going to show their bias. And clearly we all had our own positions on the issue, but we tried to bring up as much for either side as we possibly could. That doesn’t mean we are going to agree with everything.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: Right.

Andrew: And from an unbiased stand point, I really felt like Jo was right. I’m not afraid to say that Jo was crazy, if she was, but she wasn’t crazy, she was absolutely right.

Laura: Yeah, I agree.

Eric: Yeah, and I un-biasly can say otherwise.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: I’m just proving a point by saying that, but it’s okay.

Micah: There you go.

Eric: I want to do a little review here real quick, before we get to number one. I’m going to do a little recap. Okay?

Andrew: Okay.


#1: The Tales of Beedle The Bard Release


Eric: Main discussion year in review the top seven stories of 2008. Number 7, was WB announcing their Harry Potter: The Exhibition to tour the world in 2009. Number 6, was Potter leaves the New York Times Best Seller List for the first time in ten years, everyone is sad. Number 5, Half-Blood Prince trailer is released. Number 4, Deathly Hallows is going to be split into two separate films. Number 3, Half-Blood Prince is delayed eight months. Number 2, J.K.R. vs. R.D.R. trial, and now we are at the moment of truth, the number one top story of 2008, Andrew.

Andrew: Drum roll please.

[Eric makes drum roll sound]

Matt: Say it!

Andrew: Nude photos on Hermione’s website!

[Laura laughs]

Matt: Oh, is that point five?

Andrew: Just kidding! No, I butchered it.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Andrew: Actually I meant new photos on Emma Watson’s website. I didn’t want to say nude.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: Lightmaker does a second site, it is for Emma Watson, that’s what we have here.

Andrew: It’s for real Emma Watson fans!

Matt: Oh, Ben.

Andrew: No, The Tales of Beedle the Bard being released. Why was this number one? Why wasn’t the delay being number one? Personally, I think this was the number one story because this showed that the Harry Potter fandom was not dead, J.K. Rowling was not done. She was still willing to put books on shelves.

Eric: Still could be books out.

Andrew: Yeah. And people were still willing and excited to go to midnight release parties, even though not as many bookstores had midnight release parties.

Eric: When was Beedle the Bard auctioned? Was that this year or?

Andrew: It was December of last year.

Eric: December of last year? It was the end of last year, so when we followed the story at the beginning of the year we thought that when Amazon – Amazon won, for what was it, 3.98 million? Was it pounds or dollars or something?

Andrew: Dollars, that was 3.98 million pounds – I mean dollars.

Micah: Well, I don’t know if I agree with it being number one.

Matt: No, I don’t either.

Micah: I’m one of those people that thinks the delay sits up at number one and, you know, Andrew, you mentioned about how showing the strength of the fandom. I would say the response to the movie delay also showed the strength of the fandom. Just how angry and persuasive they can be, or responsive rather, they can be. But as far as Beedle the Bard though, I thought it was a good thing. You look at all the money going to charity, it being the fastest selling book of 2008, and knowing that the money is going to such a good place and Eric mentioned the live show in London and as we know, all the unveilings that took place both in New York City and in Edinburgh. So, I thought there was a lot of good things that came out of Beedle the Bard.

Andrew: Laura, you’re the tiebreaker here. Was Beedle the Bard the most – the biggest story, or was something else?

Laura: I would have to say that I agree with you on this, Andrew.

Andrew: Yes!

Laura: I mean, I definitely think…

Micah: Boo!

Matt: Boo!

Laura: Okay, I was definitely more, not excited, but I was definitely more riled up by the movie delay, but I think for the fandom as a whole Beedle the Bard was a bigger story, because after all the years of Jo Rowling giving us things, you know, giving us books and giving us her time for interviews, she turns around, a year after her final book in the Harry Potter series, she’s turning around and selling something again, but this time for charity, and I just think that the charitable contribution in itself makes it a huge story, and it just goes to show that Potter fans rock, and we give to charity.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Now that I think about it, and I’m reading the list, I would think that the JKR/RDR trial and The Tales of Beedle the Bard probably are the biggest Harry Potter, itself, news, but for the fandom I thought – I agree with Micah with the Half-Blood Prince delay. I thought Beedle the Bard as a whole was probably like, the best little encore of the Harry Potter series that she could probably do for the fans. You know, like a little curtain closing a little bit. You get a little extra thing.

Andrew: Well hopefully it’s not an ending. But – yeah, so, I think it’s split and we’ll get to the Twitter responses in a little bit, and like I said before, most of them were about Half-Blood Prince being delayed, but people also brought up good points of Beedle the Bard, so we’ll get to those in a minute. Eric, you entered some honorable mentions. Probably a good idea. What were some of those?


Best of 2008: Honorable Mentions (News Stories)


Eric: Well Andrew, I thought there were some things that did happen this year that we did, MuggleCast history that were worthy of just honorable mentioning. One of them was the conclusion of Pickle Pack. Which happened this April, April of 2008. The beginning of the year, we sort of just finished up, and everyone, including Matt got really involved with doing Blickles and making up for lost time in 2007 and just, in the end it ended with a bang, and I think people were really happy. Oh, and also the second thing, the other honorable mention I mentioned – or wanted to mention was MuggleNet’s election day coverage that you guys, was it Micah that spearheaded it?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Because I know, Micah, you did all the news posts. And to be honest, this is something that I – I was really busy. I had nothing to do with it, not next to nothing. I had nothing to do with this, and I would still come to MuggleNet and see that it was going on, and I thought it was a great idea from the beginning, the election day, side-by-side, elect your Minister of Magic. And, I thought it was just the coolest idea! I have to give you mad props; I thought it was absolutely, insanely awesome every way that it was done. How it happened, that you all kept track of it, that you all [laughs] – the Twitters. Everything just looked so wonderful and I have to say, from the outside looking in, it was – it just looked like something that would be so much fun to be a part of.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, Micah, definitely a great job. And – yeah, I forgot what I was going to say, go ahead. Your acceptance speech, please.

Micah: [laughs] Well, no, Eric, I mean, thanks. It was a lot of fun to do, and it’s just those types of things, I think, that keep people interested. I think the biggest thing also, that I took out of it, was seeing people who weren’t old enough to vote saying, “Hey, we can actually voice our opinion and it’s going to matter.” Even though it’s a fictional election, but they actually felt like they were contributing in some way and getting to vote, even though they weren’t allowed to vote in the presidential election, or even people from other countries who couldn’t really have a say in what goes on here felt like they were making a difference.


The First Annual MuggleCasties


Andrew: Yeah. It was just very interesting in general to follow. All right, and now we’re going to do the first annual MuggleCasties award. This is just something we’ll try out just for fun. We’re going to do a couple of categories and name the answer and our opinions, like what…

Matt: Oh – thats cool.

Andrew: …what fulfilled that category.

Micah: So we’re going to go around the table?

Andrew: Let’s go around the table really quick. Biggest impact on the fandom story: Definitely the Half-Blood Prince delay for me.

Laura: Same.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Matt: Same.

Micah: I agree.

Andrew: Eric?

Eric: Yeah, me too.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Okay. [laughs] That one was easy.

Eric: I was thinking, I was thinking.

Andrew: This sort of goes hand in hand with this: most shocking story was also the Half-Blood Prince delay, in my opinion.

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: I’m going to go with the trial.

Andrew: Yeah. Specifically the outcome, actually.

Eric: Well the outcome, that it was happening – I think the trial was shocking, and – Micah brought up the parallel too – about when he was debating whether or not Tales of The Beedle the Bard should be the number one story, he mentioned something which reminded me that – well, Tales of the Beedle the Bard, he said, was more like a fandom event – I mean, a non-fandom event. It was for everyone who reads the books and likes the books, whereas the trial was more fandom-related, because inside the fandom – inside the people who were active online and viewing our site, there were the feuds and the death threats and the things, you know, which is much closer to us as far as feuding but Beedle the Bard is something that’s great for fans everywhere is what I was thinking. So, most shocking story, I’m going to go with what was really close and personal, because a lot of personal stuff was happening with the JKR feud before anyone – I mean, I think with the WB thing, you really hated WB or not, but with the JKR/RDR you were on one side and people fought about that I think a lot longer or a lot more intensely than with the Warner Brothers thing.

Micah: Yeah. Most shocking – I mean, I might stay with the RDR trial and say them filing for appeal on the day – or, I’m sorry, the re – I forget the right word. Kind of like – [sighs] I don’t know what the legal term for it is but getting rid of their appeal on the day Beedle the Bard was released. So, essentially deciding that they weren’t going to file for appeal.

Andrew: Oh, yeah.

Micah: You know, I thought it was…

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: …a little weird timing and after having gone through all of this in the first place, I thought it was just kind of weird that they were stepping aside.

Eric: It’s – but it is good, and I think – I think the reason I think it’s most shocking too is because it shocked me to read the actual written responses and testimony, and all the allegations were shocking to me. I was very shocked and I voiced the opinion at the time. I was shocked how RDR handled the accusation to begin with, and how everything spiralled out of control after that. I think it was shocking that it was actually happening, and it was something that even non-Harry Potter fans were saying, “Hey!” You know – were coming to me and saying – and everyone I knew who was a Harry Potter fan was being asked, “What do you think about this? Is it JKR being greedy? Is it this author lady?” You know, they wouldn’t even know her, and everyone knew, even if you were outside the fandom, because it was making news about the court trial.

Andrew: Next story: The…

Matt: Least surprising.

Andrew: Least surprising, yeah. This is interesting. I didn’t really think about this.

Eric: Yeah, whoever thought of it was a good idea.

Andrew: Actually, I guess Movie 7 being split into two films, because there was a sort of lead up to it.

Laura: Yeah, it had been rumored for a while.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Really?

Eric: Yeah, it’s a big and important thing, but how else would they do it? And…

Andrew: Well, let’s make this least exciting…

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: [laughs] least surprising yet exciting. I mean…

Eric: It’s still exciting. I mean, it’s still one of the biggest…

Andrew: Right.

Eric: …things of the year. It’s the least surprising story. I mean, we were doing Chapter by Chapter for Book 7 and we just kept saying each show, “Wow, this is a big scene, how are they going to do it tribute?” You know, before we knew.

Andrew: Right. Right.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: Anyone else?

Eric: The next one I like…

Matt: No, no, I don’t think – I honestly don’t think that that was mine. I think my least surprising was probably Tales of Beedle the Bard given out to the public.

Andrew: Well, okay, yeah, fair enough.

Matt: I wasn’t all that surprised about that.

Micah: What else were you going to say, Matt?

Matt: What?

Micah: I didn’t hear what you said at the very end, about Beedle the Bard.

Matt: Oh. It was the least surprising story for me.

Micah: Okay, because it was actually released on the date it was supposed to be, and didn’t get delayed for eight months?

[Eric and Matt laugh]

Eric: There was nothing surprising about that.

Matt: No, because I always thought that it was going to be released to the public anyway. I didn’t know – I wasn’t really surprised when they announced that people would be able to buy it. It just didn’t make sense that it would only be to a special few people. That’s why I thought it was going to be…

Eric: Yeah, because she did create that new content.

Matt: Yeah, she made all that content and everything and she’s just going to give it to a few people? I just thought, “Okay, she’s going do it for charity, so obviously she’s going to wait until a while, and then she’s going to give it out to more people so she can make more money for charity.” It just makes sense.

Micah: Right. Yeah I mean for me, least surprising, I think Andrew mentioned it before, but it’s a smaller story but with Emma Thompson not coming back. You know, some people actually made a big deal about that, but I didn’t think it was that major.

Matt: So least interesting story?

Micah: Yeah, or least surprising. I mean, actors leave all the time. I mean, Eric was talking before about how they didn’t think that the trio was going be able to make it through all seven films.

Andrew: Best Half-Blood Prince pic/video of the year.

Micah: Oh geez.

Laura: Oh, this is Micah’s favorite category.

[Micah laughs]

Micah: Hang on, I’ve got to flip through my album here.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: For me, I have to say that my favorite video was definitely just seeing the scene – obviously all the trailers are great – but seeing the scene where Dumbledore having that ring of fire around him. I really think that’s going to be a huge pinnacle scene, and not just sort of like half-assed like some scenes have in previous films that are really hyped up.

Eric: My best promo pic and/or video of the year would have to be the most recent trailer, which looks awesome.

Matt: Yes!

Eric: I would say the movie itself, but I saw a version without all the special effects and I don’t want to be cocky, so I’m just going to say the most recent trailer.

Andrew: Laura, how about you?

Matt: Mhm.

Laura: Oh, it would definitely have to be the leaked trailer where the special effects weren’t finished, and McGonagall just shoots that beautifully fake lightning bolt into the air.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: That was my top moment of my year.

Matt: That took days.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: That took seconds to copy and paste from Microsoft clip art. Micah?

Laura: It honestly kind of looked like the lightning bolt out of iMovie. Have you ever used that before?

Andrew: It probably was, they probably recreated it.

Laura: [laughs] It probably was!

[Everyone laughs]

Matt: You see some “Copyright iMovie” on the bottom right hand corner.

Laura: You see the little apple.

Matt: “Courtesy of iMovie.”

Micah: Video? The most recent trailer, the fansite trailer, I would have to say. I like the shots of the astronomy tower that we got, especially the one of Harry supporting Dumbledore, which I guess is right when they got back from the cave. As far as pictures go, all of them. I mean every single one of them. I love them all. They were great.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Eric: You say that almost without alternative meanings, Micah.

Micah: Yeah, they were great. You know, I’ve got them all up on my wall, I’ve got them on the computer. I had such a great time with all the photos. At least they gave us a reason why they did it, because they weren’t going to put out a movie so they decided to…

Eric: It sounds like that bugs you, Micah.

Matt: I think my favorite has to be with everyone else, with the trailer. I think it was the third trailer, because of the one where – the one scene that we got to see with Dumbledore and Harry on the rock in the ocean, and the wind’s blowing in Dumbledore and Harry’s face, and Harry’s just looking at Dumbledore with – he doesn’t look very sure about this whole situation, and Dumbledore is just staring at it like, “Oh yeah, we’re going in there,” you know? That was pretty cool.

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Eric: “We’re going in, cover me!”

Matt: “Oh yeah, Harry. This is the last place you’re going to be with me before I get killed. Yeah, you ready for this? Let’s go.”

Eric: And the following MuggleCasties award is the J.K. Rowling award. It is soon to be prestigious. MuggleCast is doing this first, first annual MuggleCasties. And this year’s J.K. Rowling award goes to…drumroll please.

[Andrew makes drumroll sound]

Eric: J.K. Rowling.

Andrew: Oh, what a surprise. Oh my God, really?

Laura: Wow, I never would’ve expected.

Eric: I think it’s only appropriate. We’re a Harry Potter podcast to have J.K. Rowling award, and this year J.K. Rowling won it.

Andrew: Congrats to her.

Eric: We’ll see better luck next year to the other contestants trying to win the J.K. Rowling award.

Micah: I heard she was going to accept that award on the first show of the new year.

Andrew: Yeah, I was going to say we tried to reach her for comment, but as of press time we have not heard back.


Twitter Feedback


Andrew: And to wrap this whole big discussion up, we’re going to take some Twitter feedback. We’re going to have Twitter feedback every week now as I brought up last week, it’s just a couple quick ones.

First one, “LummyDeedleDum” writes about – the question was, “What was the biggest story of 2008?” and LummyDeedleDum wrote: “The Half-Blood Prince push back until Summer 2009 because it showed the world how passionate Harry Potter fans are and it also got the most press coverage.”

That’s very true, it may have gotten more coverage than Beedle The Bard.

Matt: Yeah there are so many videos.

Eric: Not more than the trial, the Washington Post didn’t write about the – pushback.

Andrew: Yeah, well, biggest reaction, maybe she was trying to say.

Matt: Yeah, definitely the biggest reaction.

Andrew: “Hptwilighter” writes: “Beedle The Bard going to the fans announcement. Half-Blood Prince news is just for the movies but more from Jo equals amazing!”

I think that’s a good point because it’s more from Jo, the creator of all this.

“DominicoE” writes: “Delaying Movie 6 because Movie 6 would’ve been the biggest event of 2008.”

I disagree with that, I don’t – wouldn’t the movie being released be the biggest event if it came out this year?

Eric: It depends on what they decided to do with Beedle the Bard if the movie was coming out.

Andrew: Good point.

Eric: Assuming any has an effect on the other.

Andrew: I don’t think so, because they – last year, you know, with Book 7 and Movie 7 being like ten days apart.

Eric: Right, but I’m glad that Beetle the Bard came out with no other thing to be worried about at the time.

Micah: Yeah. I would say that maybe even the trial would have moved up to number one if the movie actually came out.

Matt: Yeah. That’s true, too.

Andrew: “Danielle525” said: “Beedle the Bard was the biggest story to me. It’s a new Harry Potter-related book from Jo. So, that’s pretty special.”

And lastly, “Malawyer” writes: “Definitely the news to split Deathly Hallows into two movies. It was great news to know that at the end our fave series would be done right.”

Matt: I think we should have had a category “The Biggest Upset,” and I think the split of Deathly Hallows is probably the best.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Like, the one where the fans got the most, you know…

Eric: The biggest “Huh?!” WB moment.

Matt: …positive. Yeah, the biggest “Yay!” kind of feedback.


Best of MuggleCast: Episode 142


Andrew: Yeah. There’s a poll now up on MuggleNet asking you which question is the biggest – or which story is the biggest of 2008. So, head on over there and vote, and that’ll be interesting to see what the general audience thinks, but I have a hunch they’re all going to say the Half-Blood Prince pushback because, at least with Twitter, like 80 percent said the Half-Blood Prince pushback was the biggest. So, it’ll be interesting to see what our audience writes in, too, and says they disagree. Anyway, it’s time for another “Best of MuggleCast” clip of 2008, and then we have a Chicken Soup, and we’re going to wrap it up today. This was from our court discussion that we actually talked about a little earlier on. This is from Episode 142 from April 19, 2008.

[Andrew plays clip]

Micah: The key players in this huge court trial that has taken place over the last four days. Obviously, everybody knows about J.K. Rowling and Steve Vander Ark, but…

Andrew: So wait a second, wait. This is all your – you don’t have any fanfare or anything? This is the best you can do?

Micah: What do you mean “fanfare”?

Andrew: Well, I mean, like this is a big – you just said yourself, it’s a big – this is a big trial you…

Eric: [in a booming voice] “And the co-plaintiff is…

Andrew: Yeah. You…

Eric: …J.K. Rowling.”

Andrew: …you don’t have anything prepared like that?

Micah: Oh, you want me to do it like that?

Eric: Well, we’re not all like you, Andrew. We don’t all have those j-j-j-j-J.K. Rowling c-c-c-co-plaintiff.

Andrew: Hold on, wait, I think I can set this up properly. Hold on one second.

Eric: Okay.

[Theme from Monday Night Football plays]

Eric: Oh, god.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: [announcer voice echoing] In this corner, coming in at five foot five and an undisclosed amount of weight, J. K. Rowling! And in this corner, looking not a day over twelve years old, breaking down at the podium, Steven Vander Ark! [speaking normally] All right, that’s much better. Now we have the whole thing set up, and people will realize how big this trial actually is.

Micah: I don’t even know how to continue after that, though. That was just amazing.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: I agree.

Andrew: Thank you.

[Clip ends]

Andrew: So there you go. That’s the end of the clip.

[Laura laughs]

Micah: That was good.


Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul: Surgery Edition


Andrew: We’re going to wrap things up today with a Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul: Surgery Edition. This comes from Olivia G., 14, of Maryland. She writes,

“Hey MuggleCast, I love your show, and I check my iTunes as often as I can to see if you uploaded a new show. Thank you guys for continuing to produce an awesome show. Today, I had to undergo a minor surgical procedure on my feet. Really minor, nothing anyone responsible should be afraid of…”

Oh, sorry.

“Nothing anyone reasonable should be afraid of, but I guess I’m not exactly a Gryffindor. I was terrified. I wasn’t put to sleep during the procedure, so I put MuggleCast on my iPod nice and loud. Focusing on your voices kept my mind off my fear and off the pain. I’m now resting at home with two very sore toes, but I should be fine in a few days. Thanks so much for helping me conquer my fears. Hugs, pickles, and gold. Olivia.”

Laura: Aw.

Andrew: So, Olivia, we’re very happy to help you through your surgery.

Laura: Yeah. Surgery’s a scary thing.

Andrew: That would be one of the first times someone was, you know, being – having surgery and listening at the same time. I would be listening to Hairspray really loud.

Micah: As long as it’s not the doctor, we’re okay.

Andrew: Yes. Yes.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Eric: It’s not like going bungee jumping and having them play Jump by Van Halen.

Andrew: Yeah. “Jump, jump.” Yeah.

Eric: That actually happened to me.


Remembering 2008


Andrew: All right. Well, it’s been another great year and it’s time to wrap up the final episode of 2008. Thank you everyone for listening through another year. And if you’re a new listener, we hope this is the first year of many. It’s a big year for us.

Eric: Yes.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: It’s the first year we – this is the year we stopped doing shows weekly, which hasn’t been too bad.

Matt: Yes.

Andrew: No, it hasn’t.

Matt: No. It was a good thing, because there wasn’t really anything to talk about that much on a weekly basis.

Eric: For some weeks. And then other weeks there was a lot to talk about.

Andrew: Hence the two hour shows.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Which was great.

Matt: I mean, unless we wanted to do Chapter-by-Chapter for all seven books.

Eric: [gasps] Ooh. Can we?

Andrew: Maybe. We’ll…

Laura: Ooh. I don’t think so.

Matt: Laura and I discussed it last night. We really want to do it.

Eric: Really? You guys were?

Matt: Yeah.

Laura: Wow. For some reason, I’m not remembering this conversation, Matt.

Matt: [laughs] Oh, Laura. She’s modest.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: Laura really doesn’t like when you put words in her mouth, Matt.

Andrew: Yeah. It’s not mean.

Matt: Oh well. Someone has to.

Micah: But it was a big year for the show, too. I mean, we really didn’t talk about the show, right? I mean, all of Portus and you guys going to London, and Jim Dale, and…

Eric: A lot still happened. A lot still happened.

Micah: …the podcast award.

[Show music starts]

Andrew: Yeah. And a big year coming up in 2009 with the movie and Azkatraz and a few surprises along the way.

Eric: Yeah. With the trial, even without having a book out, this show grew in leaps and bounds with interviews of prestigious celebrities like Jim Dale.

Andrew: [laughs] Definitely. Yes.

Eric: And Stephenie Meyer.

Andrew: Yes. Oh yeah! That too. I forgot that.

Micah: Didn’t you have Spiderwick Chronicle kid on, too.

Andrew: Was that this year?

Laura: Oh yeah.

Andrew: That was this year. Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, it was!

Laura: Spiderwick Chronicle kid! [laughs]

Micah: [laughs] Sorry. That’s probably – what’s his name?

Laura: Freddie Highmore.

Micah: Oh, I’m sorry, yeah.

Andrew: Big year of interviewing stars on MuggleCast who have no relation to Harry Potter.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: So it was awesome.

Laura: Well, Spiderwick Chronicles, remember, we saw – we saw that in…

Andrew: It was just like PoA.

Laura: Yeah.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: All right, well, thank you everyone for listening. This episode really flew by for me. I cannot believe it’s been an hour and fifty minutes recording. So yeah, it’s just lovely.

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: It’s wonderful.

Eric: 2008 was fun. I can’t wait to see you guys again at Azkatraz, it’ll probably be.

Andrew: Yeah. I cannot wait to see you either.

Eric: Unless it happens to be – you guys should all come to Chicago for the Harry Potter: The Exhibition.

Andrew: Maybe. What if it comes to me? Why should I go to it?

Eric: Because Chicago’s the first.

Andrew: True. It’ll probably be the best. Thank you everyone for listening to our final episode of 2008. Once again, I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: I am Eric Scull.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Matt: And I am ending the show of the year with my name. Matt Britton.

Andrew: We’ll see everyone next time – sometime in January – for Episode 168. Buh-bye!

Laura: Bye, happy New Year!

Andrew: Happy New Year. Yeah, happy New Year to you all!

Matt: Bye, happy New Year.

Micah: Happy New Year!

Matt: Yeah! Kiss each other.

Transcript #166

MuggleCast 166 Transcript


Show Intro


[Intro music begins]

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[“Hedwig’s Theme” plays]

Jim Dale: [as Professor McGonagall] This is Professor McGonagall welcoming you all to MuggleCast hoping you enjoyed – Dobby! Dobby, come here! Here! Dobby! [as Dobby] Yes, I’d just like to say how very pleased I am to introduce MuggleCast to all of you! Thank you! Thank you!

[Show music begins]

Micah: Because the holidays are here, and it takes us an hour to realize it, this is MuggleCast Episode 166 for December 19th, 2008.

[Show music continues]

Andrew: All right, we are here for another episode of MuggleCast and it’s been a while since we’ve had a traditional episode, so to speak. You know, where we go through all the normal segments and such. But we’re all happy to be back, and Mikey is back. Hey Mikey!

Mikey: How you guys doing?

Laura: Hey Mikey!

Andrew: Good, but I’m kind of sad you no longer live…

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: …just a few steps away from me.

Mikey: I know, I moved far away and it’s cold and snowy. But it’s fun.

Andrew: The land of Kentucky.

Mikey: A land of Kentucky. You know, I went out and bought some bourbon…

[Micah laughs]

Mikey: …because I guess it’s where bourbon’s from. Haven’t had it yet.

Andrew: What’s bourbon?

Mikey: It’s some type of alcohol. I don’t know.

Andrew: Oh.

Mikey: I’ve never had it before.

Andrew: And also Penny is joining us again. Hey Penny!

Penny: Hey, how are you?

Andrew: Penny – oh good, thanks, but – so weren’t you – did we have you introduce yourself before – the last episode? I can’t really remember.

Penny: I don’t know. I…

Andrew: Tell us a little bit – little bit about yourself.

Penny: I’m probably the oldest person ever to have ever been on MuggleCast.

Andrew: No, I’m kind of 57.

Penny: Because I’m like 65.

Andrew: Oh. Okay, never mind.

Penny: Yeah, I think so. [laughs] I’m not really.

Laura: I don’t think you’re quite that old but…

Penny: Yeah, but I’m still older than all of you. And I’m from Baltimore, Maryland and…

Laura: Yay!

Penny: …I do some other Harry Potter stuff but right…

Andrew: What’s the – what’s the other site?

Penny: I’ve been working on Harry Potter Prognostications, the podcast and the blog, for the past two years or so, and I do that with my husband, Greg. But I’m happy to be here with all you guys right now.

Andrew: We stole you for the show.

Penny: Yeah, I’m happy to be here.

Andrew: We’re happy to say that Penny is going to be more of a regular here on MuggleCast. We tested her out on the live show and I think she passed. So…

Penny: Aww.

Andrew: Goning have you on here more regularly. That’ll be fun.

Penny: Thank you.

Mikey: Woo! Yay! I get excited, Penny.

Laura: Finally, we have three female hosts.

[Penny laughs]

Mikey: Woo! Okay, anyway.

Andrew: Well, we do have a full show so let’s get right into it. I’m Andrew Sims.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Mikey: I’m Mikey B!

Penny: And I’m Penny Gershman.

[Show music continues]


News: Beedle the Bard the Movie?


Andrew: All right, Micah Tannenbaum, what’s in the news this week? Or the past few weeks?

Micah: Yeah, it’s been a little while since we’ve done a show. But the top news item…

Andrew: Besides Beedle the Bard coming out.

Micah: Well…

Andrew: We know about that.

Micah: …we talked about that on the last show. But Beedle the Bard, speaking about it, there is a couple of reports about it being possibly being turned in to a major motion picture.

Mikey: Yes!

Micah: And this all came out within the last week or so. Cinema Blend, which sounds like a really reliable source, reported…

[Andrew, Laura, and Micah laugh]

Micah: …that Beedle the Bard may be made into a movie by Warner Brothers, and I don’t really know about this.

Andrew: Me either.

Micah: I’m kind of skeptical, to be honest with you, and the report referred to Warner Brothers trying to ride the magical gravy train a little bit longer.

Andrew: [laughs] I can believe that, but…

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: I don’t know, this whole Beedle the Bard turning into a movie thing, it wouldn’t – it wouldn’t like – I could see this sort of maybe in the theme park they film these and play them in like the waiting lines or something, but it couldn’t be a full on movie, all these tales together.

Micah: Right.

Mikey: I can see…

Andrew: What do you guys think?

Mikey: I can see it being like a holiday special, like a TV special, where it’s like an hour long…

Andrew: Yeah, that’d be cool.

Mikey: …and it would be like each little story, and you could have Jo there sitting on her little rocker and introducing each story and just be like, “Welcome to the Holiday Special: Beedle the Bard.” And it would just be…

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: I don’t know! I’m just thinking of the old holiday specials they used to do for all the old movies. And it just – it would be so cool.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: Sorry.

Micah: Right.

Penny: Do you guys see it as live action, or animation, or claymation, or what?

Andrew: I think – hmm, good question.

Micah: I’d say animation. That’s how I…

Mikey: I would do live.

Andrew: Really? I was going to say live action.

Mikey: I would love each – kind of – to have a different director tackle each story and do it different.

Andrew: Oh, that would be cool. Yeah.

Mikey: Maybe have “The Three Brothers” be done by like Tim Burton, and do it like claymation, like Corpse Bride or something like that.

Laura: Oh, that would be cool.

Mikey: And have someone else do another one. And I just think it would be really cool to have just different styles for all of them. Like think about the Christmas – the Rudolf the Red-Nosed Reindeer claymation.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: Stop motion. I just think it’s cool.

Andrew: That’s a good idea. I mean, the only way I can see Jo agreeing to do this would be if the DVD sales went to charity.

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: Otherwise, though, it’s just a really cheap way of…

Laura: Yeah.

Mikey: Marketing. Yeah.

Andrew: …making a quick buck, yeah.

Penny: And if it would turn into a movie would there be any of Dumbledore’s commentary in it as well?

Mikey: You mean Michael Gambon’s commentary? [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Penny: Yeah, something like that. [laughs]

Andrew: It would kind of seem out of place, wouldn’t it?

Penny: No, but wouldn’t it be awesome if like Jim Dale narrated it or something?

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh yeah, that’d be really cool. We should find out if he’s going to do an audiobook for Beedle the Bard.

Micah: Yes, we should, Andrew.

Penny: That would be awesome.

Laura: That would be fantastic.

Andrew: I was supposed to get on that and I forgot.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: So whatever, Micah. [laughs] But yeah, that would be cool. It’d be cool to listen to him read those tales. And it couldn’t take him more than a day to record all those.

Micah: There was one article that followed up on this report. It was in the Los Angeles Times, and they actually recommended expanding “The Warlock’s Hairy Heart” because they really felt that it had the most opportunity to be made into a movie. Now, I don’t know if that meant expand that story in particular and still film all the others, or just do that one specifically.

Andrew: Yeah. I don’t know.

Micah: And they recommended…

Penny: I love that story.

Micah: …Guillermo del Toro…

Penny: That’d be amazing.

Micah: …for directing it.

Andrew: Yeah. I liked their ideas. They had some good ideas. But expanding it would kind of be weird in a way because that’d be the first time anything related to Harry Potter would actually be expanded for time, you know? They’re always condensing it.

Micah: That’s true.

Laura: Yeah, I mean, they would have to add a lot to it, so I don’t know.

Andrew: You know what also was interesting? David Heyman said in an interview that he would not be interested in doing a Beedle related film, didn’t he?

Micah: He did. Yep.

Andrew: Yeah. I thought that was interesting because we don’t know the exact date of this interview, but it was definitely after the movie came out – or the book came out – or the rumors, sorry. [laughs]

Micah: All of the above.

Andrew: Yeah. So I don’t know what to think about that. I’m glad David Heyman would kind of be against it because it is an obvious sort of way of making a cheap buck.

Micah: Yeah, and I don’t know that…

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: …the interest would be that high, to be honest.

Andrew: Yeah, no. It wouldn’t be. I mean there wasn’t even like – the interest for this book can’t even compare to…

Mikey: Any other releases. Yeah.

Andrew: Right. Right.


New: Beedle the Bard Fastest Selling Book of 2008


Micah: Which pretty much leads to our next news item about…

Andrew: What’s that?

Micah: …the sales of Beedle the Bard in its first week. It ended up making 8.5 million dollars for the Children’s High Level Group and it sold roughly 2.6 million copies worldwide, and, Andrew, you have here it was the number one bestseller and the fastest selling book of 2008.

Andrew: No surprise.

Micah: Do you guys consider that to be impressive based on what we’ve seen from her previous works or is that somewhat underperforming?

Andrew: I don’t know. I mean, compared to the other Potter books, it’s obviously underperforming.

Mikey: I think it’s impressive for the type of book.

Laura: Yeah.

Mikey: Just because – I don’t remember the exact stats for the Fantastical Beasts – but I remember it was – that one was way underperforming compared to this one.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Mikey: And even now I don’t think Fantastical Beasts has sold even this many copies and it’s been around for that long.

Andrew: Plus, I mean, Harry Potter is more popular now than it was when Fantastic Beasts and Quidditch Through the Ages came out, I think.

Mikey: Yeah, but still, regardless, I think that’s kind of – I’m impressed with the performance of this type of book. I remember they didn’t have a release party where I’m at and I went and just picked it up the next morning at Walden Books on my way to work, and that night I went to the grocery store after I finished reading it and there was like a whole display in the grocery store in the Kroger with Beedle the Bard so – and it was picked clean so…

Micah: Yeah, I agree with you. I think 8.5 million dollars is a lot of money for a charity, especially in the span of only a week. And it’s going to keep selling; there’s no question about it.

Andrew: Ladies, what do you think?

Laura: I think the number’s impressive. I just don’t think that anything like this would sell like a Harry Potter book would. I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that this seems to be something that more of the hardcore fans really knew about, because I know several people at school who love Harry Potter but they don’t spend their days on the fan sites and they don’t listen to podcasts, and they didn’t even know about this.

Andrew: Blasphemy!

Penny: Yeah, I told a few people “Oh, Beedle the Bard‘s coming out!” and they’re like “Oh, that’s that fairy-tale thing.” And even though they read all the Harry Potter books they had no interest in reading it.

Andrew: And in a way it’s understandable, because there’s huge fans and then there’s fans who are casual readers of the books and likes the series but don’t want to read the fairy-tales that don’t involve Harry. And I think the commentary from Dumbledore was an obvious ploy to get people more interested in this book, wouldn’t you guys agree?

Mikey: I don’t know. I think it was also like a commentary that maybe Jo wanted to say about the stories.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: You know, especially, again, a lot of it was the Malfoys had commentary on two of the books – wanted to get them banned, or the stories – and I think it’s one of those things where if she didn’t have Dumbledore’s perspective on it, we wouldn’t have really seen that additional – that – I don’t know. When I was reading it, I kind of started thinking of Laura Mallory and wanting to ban the Harry Potter books. And I kind of felt that might have been a little commentary on that, and having Dumbledore talk about it, but that was just me.


Mikey and Penny Share Their Thoughts on Beedle the Bard


Andrew: Penny, what did you think of Beedle the Bard, and Mikey, for that matter?

Penny: I loved it. I thought it was great. I thought the morals were great, and I love – Dumbledore’s commentary was amazing, especially the commentary on “The Tale of the Three Brothers.”

Andrew: Yeah.

Penny: It just – it – really, that was the one that we were able to connect to Harry Potter, obviously, and it was just so good.

Andrew: Yeah, how about you, Mikey? Do you approve?

Mikey: Well, you know, I was telling you, I read it during my lunch break and I absolutely loved it. The only thing I would take away that I wasn’t super impressed with: seeing the American version versus the U.K. edition. I was totally bummed at the design of the book, of the U.S. version. I wish I had been able to go to London…

Laura: Yeah.

Mikey: …and buy the really cool one, but, you know.

Andrew: You should have asked me to get you a copy. I have copies here for Penny and Micah.

Mikey: I didn’t even think about it.

Penny: Can’t wait.

Mikey: You know, all the move and everything, I was just like – I was trying to see if there was a release here, and of course there wasn’t, but I love those…

Andrew: You can always order it online.

Mikey: I’m going to say, the stories – it brought back a warming feeling that I haven’t had since the first read-through of Deathly Hallows.

Penny: Yes, yes.

Mikey: It made me almost shed a tear a little, just like, oh wow, is this going to be the last Harry Potter-related book that I’m going to read through that’s written by Jo? So…

Andrew: I hope not. She’s got to be doing more things like this.

Mikey: I would not mind her expanding and writing more stories like this, or even have – you know, I was discussing this the other day with someone that there’s so much fan fiction, and I can’t really bring myself to read a lot of the fan fiction, but I would love to read stories written by professional authors, or even her, not about Harry, but just about – in that universe that she created, just because it makes me feel so happy inside, just reading it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: But…

Andrew: And back real quick to the casual fans not really being as interested in this. When I was in London, and I guess this was two days after the book came out, I was in the bookstore getting extra copies of the U.K. Beedle, and people – I would see people go up to the display stand where all the books were, and they would look at it and be like, “Oh J.K. Rowling” and then open it up, page through it, and then go “eh, pfft,” and then put it down and then walk away. And it was kind of sad because I think it’s a great book for anyone who’s ever read Harry Potter, and it’s a shame that people are so – a lot of people are being turned off by it just because it’s not Harry Potter.

Penny: Although, on the other hand, I have several friends who haven’t read Harry Potter who said, “Do you have to read Harry Potter in order to appreciate this?” And I don’t think – I think Jo wrote it in a way that you really don’t have to read Harry Potter to appreciate it.

Andrew: Yeah, definitely not. I mean, although, there are a couple spoilers in here if you haven’t read…

Penny: You have to look closely at them to see them as spoilers, I think.

Andrew: That’s true, yeah. It’d be funny if – yeah. [laughs] Doesn’t it say in here – isn’t there – Jo…

Mikey: Yeah, at the end, Jo talks about: “written nine months before Dumbledore’s timely demise on the Astronomy Tower” or something like that.

Andrew: Yeah, but at this point, I think everybody knows that Dumbledore has died.

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: Thanks to that spoiler shirt that you have, Mikey.

Mikey: Yes I do. There’s a shirt…

Laura: Oh, do you have that shirt?

Mikey: There’s a wonderful shirt that’s called spoiler, and it’s got all the wonderful spoilers, and of course, right there in the center is that Snape kills Dumbledore.

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: You know what’s funny? Andrew knows this. I was working – a show I was working on. There’s a bunch of people who haven’t read the Harry Potter books, and they’ve just been watching the movies, and they’re like – they honestly got really mad at me that I was wearing a shirt that said, “Snape killed Dumbledore” because they did not know that.

Andrew: Well, you’re betraying these poor – your poor friends who have not read it yet and are looking forward to reading it.

Laura: That serves them right.

Mikey: You’ve got to understand! Half-Blood Prince has been out for years! Really?

Andrew: Yeah, that’s true.

Micah: That’s why Alan Rickman doesn’t do interviews for Harry Potter. He’s actually stated that…

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Micah: …because he doesn’t want people who only see the movies to have him possibly reveal something about the books.

Andrew: In a way, though, I kind of feel like that’s a lame excuse to just avoid talking about Harry Potter. [laughs]

Micah: Yeah, that’s a cop out. It’s a cop out, there’s no question about that.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: Yeah.

Penny: I think there’s a statute of limitations when you can do spoilers. After a few years I don’t think it’s a problem anymore, like I don’t think it would be a bad thing to say that Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker’s father. Something like that.

Mikey: Exactly! You really can’t do that!

Andrew: What? No.

Penny: Sorry, sorry about that.

Mikey: And of course that’s also on my shirt.

Andrew: I have not seen Star Wars, but everyone knows that rumor.

Laura: But who doesn’t know that? It’s like, come on.

Andrew: [laughs] “Who doesn’t know that? Duh, it’s so obvious.”

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Laura: Well, it’s true! I mean, come on. I knew that before I even saw those movies.

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: What else is going on, Micah?

[Laura laughs]


News: Harry Potter Exhibition Going on World Tour


Micah: Harry Potter the Exhibition is going to be in Chicago at the Museum of Science and Industry starting on April 30th of next year. And I saw some of the artwork that was done, kind of previewing the displays that are going to be out there, and they look pretty cool. One of the Great Hall, one of the Common Room, which was given to us, and you posted it on the site, and this is going to be interesting. It’s supposed to move around the country or around the world?

Andrew: Well, originally they said the country, and now it’s world, so I mean I think it’s going to go – it’s going to go all over the U.S. first, then go to the U.K. and then wherever else.

Micah: So these are actual pieces of the sets, correct?

Mikey: Yes.

Andrew: Yeah, but I think mostly it’s props. I don’t know if they’re moving – like, I know what you’re talking about in the sketches they have like the Great Hall exhibit; it looks kind of like you’re in the Great Hall. I don’t think they’re moving literal sets. I think they’ll dress it up to make it look like it but I don’t think it’s an actual set. They will have actual props though, which is cool.

Mikey: I don’t know if this is going to be exact, but I know they did – the Smithsonian did a Star Wars exhibition a while ago, a couple of years ago, and what they did is they actually had set pieces and actual props there, and they dressed up the rooms to look like it so – for the…

Andrew: Yeah, I bet that’s what they’ll do.

Mikey: I would not be surprised if the room that has all the Great Hall memorabilia and the pieces and the tables and stuff like that, would look very similar to what the Great Hall would look like, minus obviously the magical roof because they can’t do that, but yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. Well, that’s what they have in these concept sketches. You see the backgrounds and it does look like the Great Hall, but…

Mikey: I wouldn’t be surprised if each room – they’re probably getting some wonderful auditorium for every time they do it – they set it up in a different city, and it would definitely probably – the people they use to set these things up just like big concerts, like U2, Andrew, they have huge stages and huge things that they set up and the same thing with this. I’m sure they would…

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: …go all out and, from what I’ve seen, it looks like it’s going to be pretty amazing.

Andrew: Yeah, I’m really excited. I think they have put together a really nice idea, and I think it’s going to pay off.

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: I think it’s going to be really cool. Now of course Eric lives in Chicago and I’m sure he has tickets already. Has anyone heard from him?

Micah: Nope.

Mikey: I haven’t talked to Eric in a while.

Laura: No. Does he still exist?

Andrew: I think so.

Laura: I haven’t heard from him in a long time.

Andrew: I don’t know. That’s a good question.

Micah: We should make WB give him tickets to go and try to report.

Andrew: Yeah, well, I imagine they’re going to have like a press day sort of thing, and…

Micah: Right.

Andrew: But yeah, it’s exciting, and I’d been thinking about this recently because the original announcement came April 25th of this year and they said the tour would begin Spring ’09 so it’s like when are they going to announce the first place?

Micah: Yep.

Andrew: And there it was, so…

Micah: Well, they also need to release a schedule sometime soon of where else this display is going.

Andrew: Yeah. So it’s going to be in Chicago from April – the very end of April until…

Mikey: September.

Andrew: …the end of September?

Mikey: September 7th.

Andrew: So yeah, I hope it comes over this way next. [laughs]

Mikey: I’m sure it will. I’m sure it will. I’m sure it’ll go all over the place.

Andrew: Yeah. It’ll be fun. What else, Micah? There’s a lot of news.


News: Half-Blood Prince Previews on ABC Family


Micah: There was. Kind of staying with the movies, Half-Blood Prince, there was a few previews that showed up on ABC Family during their Harry Potter weekend that they traditionally do every year around Christmastime, and there was five previews. Not a whole lot of new shots, but the one thing that stood out to me was in the preview called “Comedy.” You actually got a little bit of a look inside Weasley Wizard Wheezes.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: The joke shop.

Andrew: It looks fantastic!

Micah: You got to hear from some people you don’t normally hear from a lot in interviews. You saw Michael Gambon, who actually sounded and looked more like Dumbledore in an interview than he does during the films.

Andrew: Yeah. Let me stop you there. When he was talking about…

Laura: Hey now.

Andrew: …Dumbledore’s role in this movie he genuinely sounded interested and I thought that was really exciting. He looked like he cared because he looked like he was processing through his head the character of Dumbledore and we haven’t seen that before, so he’s thinking. Good for you, Michael.

Micah: [laughs] And the others – just briefly was “The Story of Tom Riddle,” “Meet Professor Slughorn,” where you heard from Jim Broadbent, “Love is in the Air” you got to hear from Lavender Brown, the actress who plays Lavender Brown. And “The Story,” which was kind of just a brief overview of what to expect in Half-Blood Prince.

Andrew: Yeah. They were cool and, honestly, I got pretty excited for the movie after watching all those. Does anyone else have any thoughts on those?

Mikey: I saw them but I was a little disappointed.

Micah: Yeah, I agree with you.

Andrew: Why were you disappointed?

Mikey: I was a little…

Andrew: Why?

Mikey: Well, I made sure I DVR-ed the whole thing because I wasn’t around all day, and I kind of just fast-forwarded through the movies to make sure I get to just watch these things.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: And they showed some good information but it’s kind of like – I think I’m still jaded because the push-back date and I just feel like I’ve been waiting for this for so long that I’m just kind of like – I just want to see it. And it has to be good otherwise I’m going to be beyond disappointed because it should have been out already a long time ago, and I’m just disappointed, and I’m like a bunch of fans, angry and upset and bitter, and please don’t be bitter about the movie. I am but that’s me. I just want to see it.

Andrew: It was interesting, because – in that comedy bit too, I think it was in the comedy one – they had a quick clip of, I guess it was Ron, he was filming, and then he runs directly into a giant blue screen. So he hits a wall and he sort of does like pancakes right up against it, and it was pretty funny. I was like “Oh, that’s funny. That must be their comedy they’re talking about.”

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Penny: So once again Ron Weasley is the comic relief.

Andrew: Yeah, exactly.

Penny: They’re back to that.

Laura: Exactly.

Andrew: Yeah. I hope it’s like really funny because they’re really hyping up this whole “You’re going to LOL a lot in this movie.”

Micah: Right.

Mikey: Yeah. Let’s hope.

Andrew: What else in the movie world?


News: David Heyman Talks About Movie 7 Split


Micah: You talked about David Heyman a little bit earlier. He did an interview with IESB.net where he talked about the Deathly Hallows spit – spit – split!

Andrew: Spit? Oh, okay.

Micah: And he actually said that he didn’t want to do it initially. He thought it was crazy. And then the decision, according to him, ultimately rested with the filmmakers. And the studio said, you do whatever you think is right and initially, again, he thought it was crazy, and then he started going through the book and realized, hey, maybe this is not such a crazy idea, maybe we should split the movie into two. And…

Andrew: It does makes sense. And I think we’re all going to be happy about it.

Mikey: I’m happy about the split. I was really disappointed at first, but I think it makes a lot of sense. Just because of the way that book goes, it’s too much for one movie.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: Even a long Lord of the Rings style epic, it’s too much. You need to break it up. For pacing-wise at least.

Andrew: I mean, and it is a lot of work that it suddenly hits them that they are all set on doing seven films and suddenly they have to invest in other – a lot more time into doing another one, and that’s a whole other premiere and a whole other round of interviews. So it must have been a lot to swallow initially.

Micah: Yeah, and not only that, you made a post earlier today, another interview with David Heyman at his…

Andrew: Yes.

Micah: …premiere of Yes Man out in L.A. He said they are going to be filming for 54 weeks.

Andrew: [laughs] That’s insane!

Micah: That’s a long time.

Mikey: [laughs] I did not see that! Wow! Sorry.

Andrew: And he said they’re going to be starting in February so that’s going to bring them up to April 2010.

Laura: That’s crazy.

Penny: That is insane.

Mikey: For anyone who knows, big blockbuster movies usually only shoot for about 12 or 13 weeks.

Andrew: Well, we got to remember this is two films too.

Mikey: Yeah but – Lord of the Rings, the entire trilogy was shot in about that time. All three…

Andrew: What, 54 weeks?

Mikey: 54 weeks, yeah. The entire three films were shot in about that same amount of time. I don’t want to – I’ll get the exact time in a second. Wikipedia, here I come. But, it’s – that’s a lot.

Andrew: Yeah, and I looked – I compared it to Half-Blood Prince and that was about 32 weeks, and you got to remember they’ve got to stop for a couple of weeks to promote Half-Blood Prince. So I wonder if the 54 weeks includes their time off when they have to go promote Half-Blood Prince, and then you have the holidays, so…

Mikey: Well, I think it’s also because there’s still kids in the film. Children can only work X amount of hours.

Andrew: Oh, yeah.

Mikey: That’s one of the reasons why I think this is a little bit longer.

Micah: Now you understand why David Heyman was so ticked off that the movie got pushed back.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Penny: I just think it’s really good that the main characters aren’t 11 and 12 again because a year is a long time in puberty… [laughs] …thinking about that, they’ve all pretty much matured to what they are going to be, so..

Andrew: Right. Yeah, they would have changed a lot, that’s a good point.

Penny: Yeah.

Andrew: [laughs] David Heyman may come out of this with some gray hair but…

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: David Yates too, but he already has gray hair and he’s kind of bald, so he’ll be more bald. Anything else, Micah?

Micah: That’s all I got.


Announcement: MuggleCast at Azkatraz


Andrew: All right. Announcements this week: Hey, we’re going to be at Azkatraz 2009. That’s HP2009.org. We’re going to be doing a podcast there after the midnight release of Half-Blood Prince. So you are going to see Half-Blood Prince at midnight and then you are going to finish seeing it around, I guess, 2:30 A.M., and then you are going to come back to the hotel and then we’re going to be podcasting all about it. We will talk about how amazing the film was, what our favorite parts were, the whole audience included. It’s going to be a ton of fun. So that’s HP2009.org, so check that out, sign up, register, it’s going to be a ton of fun. They just announced something that’s really fresh and new and exciting; it’s called Wizard Wrock Around the Rock, and it’s going to be a four hour cruise around the San Francisco Bay, and there is going to be Wizard Rock on board, and then there’s going to be different levels of the ship that are just for hanging out and chilling. So that’s going to be cool too, going on this cruise while listening to some great Wizard Rock bands, and also just hanging out, relaxing, having a few drinks, having a few bites to eat. And it’s all to benefit charity.

Laura: Oh, wow!

Andrew: They are working with the Harry Potter Alliance so…

Laura: That is so cool.

Andrew: …it’s going to be a great event. HP2009.org. If you register be sure to put MuggleCast or MuggleNet in the referral area so they know where you are coming from, and that’s going to be a lot of fun. That’s – when is it? July 17th through 20th or something like that. Or July 18th to the 20th or 21st or 22nd because it starts the day after the movie comes out but they’re sort of extending the convention to fit in with the movie, so. Boy is that going to be a lot of fun.

Penny: It’s going to be amazing.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I can’t wait for the jet lag.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Getting out to San Francisco and then staying up, seeing the movie, and then podcasting afterwards.

Andrew: [laughs] Well, we’ll have to – you’ll have to get here a day early or two. You’ll be fine. You’ll be fine.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: The three hour time difference really isn’t that bad.

Mikey: No it’s not. Hey Andrew, so I just found out how long Lord of the Rings filmed for.

Andrew: How much? How long?

Mikey: 46 weeks.

Andrew: For all three?

Mikey: All three films were shot in 46 weeks.

Laura: You’ll survive.

Andrew: That’s smart; you were probably saving money too for only shooting it for that long.

Mikey: Yeah. So all three Lord of the Rings films were shot in 46 weeks, Deathly Hallows is going to be shot in 54. Wow.

Andrew: That’s pretty crazy. Yeah, I bet it has to do with those child labor laws. That would make sense. Because they’ve got a lot of kids to handle.


Announcement: Podcast Alley


Andrew: Also, don’t forget to vote for us on Podcast Alley. It is MuggleCast Mecember and it’s – we got to get the vote in and stay at the top of that list. It’s a great thing, that Podcast Alley.


Announcement: Laura’s Birthday


Andrew: And lastly, Happy Birthday to Laura Thompson.

Laura: Aww! Thank you.

Mikey: Woo!

Andrew: Celebrating – how old are you, 20?

Laura: Yeah, 20. [laughs]

Andrew: Now, you’ve been complaining that you’re not – you’re getting old or something. What’s this about?

Laura: [laughs] No, that’s – it’s just difficult accepting that as of right now I have four hours left of being a teenager and then… [laughs] …never again.

Penny: Responsibility hits all of a sudden.

Andrew: Your birthday is Friday.

Micah: Laura…

Laura: Yeah, it’s like all of a sudden “Oh my God, I’m 20.” [laughs]

Micah: Focus on 21, okay? After 21 it’s all downhill.

Laura: Oh yeah, that part I’m really excited about, but…

Mikey: Laura, you don’t have to grow up. I still haven’t and I’m 24 now.

Laura: That’s true.

Mikey: You don’t have to. I was Mario for Halloween. I had a full on costume. It was fun.

Laura: Okay. That makes me feel a little better.

Andrew: Halloween is all about being a little kid.

Mikey: Yeah, it’s all about being a kid! Come on, I play video games. It’s fun.

Andrew: Well, what are you doing for your birthday tomorrow, Laura?

Laura: I’m not really – I kind of just want to relax, because, I mean, I’ve had – you know this, Andrew…

Andrew: You must be getting old.

Laura: Shut up! No.

Mikey: Laura, that’s hurting me! You need to go out and have fun! Go play mini-golf.

Laura: Well, I mean I’ll probably go out and do something, but I haven’t decided yet. But I’ve had a long semester, and I’m just kind of….

Andrew: I understand. You just want to relax.

Micah: I heard you got a really nice gift, though, earlier today.

Mikey: I heard that too.

Laura: Oh. [laughs] Yeah.

Andrew: Laura, where are you going? Whenever that day is.

Mikey: Whatever the day is? [laughs]

Laura: On January 20th, you mean?

Andrew: That’s it, yeah.

Laura: Yeah. I’m going to the Presidential Inauguration. Going to be at the swearing in ceremony.

Mikey: Hey! That’s a good birthday gift, right?

Laura: Yeah!

Andrew: Look at that! Who got you tickets to that?

Laura: Kevin Steck. Our very own Kevin Steck won tickets, so…

Andrew: He must really love you. He’s inviting you. I knew it. I knew you two had something.

Laura: Really? We’re going to go there?

Mikey: Well, that’s why Kevin stopped coming on the show, because they had a little love spat and him and Laura just couldn’t get along.

Andrew: He just couldn’t take it anymore.

[Micah laughs]

Laura: We are not even going there. Anyway.

Andrew: Well, that’s fun. Good for you.

Micah: Muggle Mail.

[Andrew and Mikey laugh]

Andrew: So Happy Birthday, Laura.

Laura: Thank you.

Mikey: Happy Birthday, Laura.

Laura: I love you guys.

Andrew: Here’s to turning 21 next year.

Laura: Yeah, see, that’s what I’m excited about.

Andrew: 21’s a fun age.

Laura: Yeah! No, I can’t wait to be 21. Do you know how awesome Infinitus is going to be?

Andrew: What?

Laura: We’re all going to be 21 at Infinitus.

Andrew: Yes we are.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Laura: It’s going to be fabulous.

Mikey: Woo!

[Laura laughs]


Muggle Mail: Finding Hidden Clues in Beedle the Bard


Andrew: All right, let’s move on to Muggle Mail this week. Who wants to read the first e-mail from Andrew? Laura, it’s your birthday, how about you do it?

Laura: I guess – yeah, I’ll do it, okay.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: Our first e-mail comes from Andrew, 18 of New Hampshire. He writes:

“Hey guys. Great job with the discussion of the ‘Tales of Beedle the Bard’ in the previous episode. I noticed a couple of other things while reading the final tale. I think it’s interesting that, in revealing less than he knows or suspects, Dumbledore seems to take a skeptical perspective in the commentary. Also, at the end of the tale there is a drawing of what seems to be Ignotus Peverell’s gravestone. There is what looks like an epitaph at the bottom, but it’s really hard to read. Probably a good question for J.K.R.”

Andrew: Ah. Well, isn’t that interesting? Now, a lot of people are trying to speculate – look for the little things hidden in the sketches of what Jo drew. And I think it’s cool that people are doing that, but I don’t think really there’s anything to them. Personally.

Micah: I don’t know. Wasn’t there something on each of the Potter’s gravestones that was in Deathly Hallows?

Andrew: Yes!

Micah: Or other gravestones that were in the cemetery that Jo put in there? So maybe there is something to it. They were Biblical references, right?

Andrew: But I mean – yeah. Yeah, I think that’s right. Didn’t we have a discussion on that?

Laura: I know the Biblical references were on the Potter’s and on Kendra Dumbledore’s gravestones. But I don’t know about Peverell’s.

Andrew: Hmm. Well, yeah, I think it’s interesting. I sort of meant that people were speculating like she’s hinting at something to come or something. Like somebody sent in an e-mail that said, “Oh I was looking at the fountain and I noticed she drew a number eight. Does that mean there’s going to be an eighth book?” I’m like ehh….

Laura: Yes, that’s absolutely what it means.

Micah: Jeopardy, here we come.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: She found me out.

Laura: She actually called me and told me about that last week. So yeah.

Andrew: Oh really?

Micah: Oh cool. So can you call her up and ask her about this epitaph that’s on the bottom of the tombstone?

Laura: Yeah, Andrew, why don’t we Skype out Jo?

Andrew: Oh okay. Sure. What’s her number? But next e-mail. Micah, you want to get that one?


The Elder Wand and Females


Micah: Next e-mail comes from Ali, 16 of Virginia about the Elder Wand. She says:

“Hey MuggleCasters, I love your show. I just finished reading ‘Tales of Beedle the Bard’ and I was wondering, in the commentary that Dumbledore made to the ‘Tale of the Three Brothers’ he says, ‘Every man that has owned it has insisted that it is unbeatable.’ I think it’s very interesting how only wizards have claimed the Elder Wand. Not that I’m writing from a feminist point of view, but what do you think about that? Do you think that if a witch had used it, it would have a different history? Thanks, and keep up the good work, Ali.”

Andrew: I think Dumbledore was sort of just referring to the fact that it’s only been used by men. Yes, no?

Mikey: My opinion would be that maybe this wand would appeal more to the barbaric nature of males versus the more nurturing nature of females. And that would be why men have always claimed it versus witches. I don’t know. And that’s just something to think of, that no women have ever claimed to have the Elder Wand, or the Deathstick, or the Wand of Destiny, whatever you wanted to call it. But at the same time, we don’t have any – we don’t have any proof that there weren’t any super bad, you know, angry, evil witches that were as bad as Voldemort or Grindelwald or anything like that. We only have so much of the history, you know. Without seeing the whole history, you can’t really…

Micah: Exactly.

Mikey: You know, I would hate to say it’s only men that can be bad, that can go bad, but that’s not true. You know, Slytherin, and Death Eaters, Bellatrix Lestrange was just as bad as Lucius Malfoy, if not worse. But she never got to own the Elder Wand. I don’t want to – I don’t know. I’m going to stop.

Laura: No, I mean, I understand what you’re saying. Well, and also I think it’s important to remember that English is a very male-centric language, so a lot of the times, when someone is referring to a group of people, they refer to them as men. Or mankind.

Mikey: Yeah.

Laura: So it could be – I mean – also, we don’t know tons about its history. I mean we know it’s passed from owner to owner, but, I mean, there’s really no set record, is there, saying who had it?

Mikey: No.

Andrew: No.

Mikey: Not at all.

Andrew: We know of a couple people.

Laura: So this could just be Dumbledore making an assumption.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah, those were the two things I was going to say. “Wizards” can be a very generic term, and then also, that we don’t know the complete history. It’s just Dumbledore trying to recount who it went to through its history, so I’m not sure that a witch could not have ever owned it. It’s possible.

Penny: The way I looked at it is that – and Jo wrote something about this – is that the Elder Wand was only sought out by men. And she said – made some kind of little footnote, saying take that however you want. But the way I looked at it is that the Elder Wand is called the Unbeatable Wand, but in essence it really isn’t the Unbeatable Wand, because if it was, it wouldn’t have been passed from person to person, because the only way you can pass it is by actually beating it or beating the person who used it. So I always look at it as a woman wouldn’t be foolish enough to think that she could – that it actually is the Unbeatable Wand. And they wouldn’t suffer that, I guess, the false impression that you can actually beat it.

Andrew: Ahhh.

Penny: So I don’t know if it’s that the women were wiser, or…

Laura: Yes!

Andrew: [laughs] Good point.

Laura: I like that point.


Muggle Mail: Parallel Between Beedle the Bard and Harry Potter


Andrew: That’s very interesting, yeah. Penny, you want to read the next one?

Penny: Sure. This comes from Cassidy, 16, from Canada. And she writes:

“Hey MuggleCast. I apologize if you’ve already discussed this, because I haven’t finished listening to your latest episode. ‘The Fountain of Fair Fortune’ story really reminded me of the part in the fifth book where Harry pretended to put Felix Felicis in Ron’s drink before the Quidditch match. Ron really didn’t need the Felix Felicis and Sir Luckless didn’t need the Fountain of Fair Fortune. Just wanted to share my thoughts with you.”

Andrew: There’s another nice little parallel between Beedle and Harry Potter.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: I like that Jo threw these in, even if she didn’t mean to.

Mikey: Oh, she meant to. You know that.

Andrew: Yeah, I guess so. Maybe.

Penny: Or else, I mean, she believes in this. She’s a firm believer in that people change their own destiny, I guess. And it just comes out more than once.


Muggle Mail: Hermione’s Translation of “The Three Brothers”


Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, that’s true. And the final e-mail from the day comes from Kelly, 22, of Phoenix, Arizona. She writes:

“I was surprised in the show how you all kept commenting, or even complaining, that the version of ‘The Three Brothers’ in ‘Beedle the Bard’ was the same as the version in ‘Deathly Hallows.’ Really now? Seriously? ‘Beedle’ was translated by Hermione Granger, and I think it’s pretty safe to assume she translated it from the book Dumbledore left her, which was the book she was reading from when the trio was at the Lovegoods’ in ‘Deathly Hallows.’ The story had to be the same; it just wouldn’t have made sense otherwise.”

Well, Kelly, I think what we were saying was maybe that it would be longer. I mean, it didn’t have to be different. Obviously it was going to be the same exact story…

Laura: But this was like word by word, Hermione’s telling it in Deathly Hallows. So.

Andrew: Well, no, she wasn’t telling it, though. I mean, she was just – she was reading it.

Laura: Well, she – no, she wasn’t reading it, was she?

Andrew: I thought she was. Because I remember looking in the book, and – hold on. I’ll look. “‘Well, Mr. Potter, the whole thing starts with The Tale of the Three Brothers. I have a copy somewhere.’ He glances…” Oh, I see. So this – so, yeah, they weren’t reading Hermione’s translation.

Laura: Yeah, exactly. Like, it was – miraculously comes out the same. Yeah.

Andrew: Well…

Laura: I mean, I understand why.


Main Discussion: Final Battle Between Voldemort and Harry


Andrew: Yeah. Well, let’s get into our book discussion now. We have an interesting one this week. And we’re going to talk more about Deathly Hallows. We’re gonna talk specifically about the final battle between Lord Voldemort and Harry. But the question pertaining to this discussion is, was it a disappointment? And you may say, oh, why would somebody say that? Well, there had been some discussions afterward that the battle wasn’t maybe what it was leading up to. I think everyone, before the book came out, everyone was expecting this huge, epic duel that would be just incredible and a hundred pages long. And it wasn’t. And, in a way, it wasn’t even a full-on duel. It was sort of, as we’re going to discuss a little later on, a verbal duel. So it’s interesting, and we’re going to talk about it, we’re going to talk about what exactly went on and what else could have happened, and such and such.


Harry Would Not Have Won a Normal Duel


Andrew: So does anyone here agree that – well, let’s put it this way: Harry could not have won in a regular duel versus Voldemort. Does anyone disagree with that?

Mikey: No.

Micah: You’re talking one-on-one…

Andrew: Right, right. Like, if Harry and Voldemort were…

Penny: Like straight spells.

Andrew: Yeah, exactly.

Mikey: Yeah. Like think of like a – like let’s just think of like a game of Horse but with spells. Like Voldemort would do one and Harry would have to match it.

Andrew: Right.

Mikey: Like Harry would lose. Voldemort just used so much more magic than Harry.

Andrew: Exactly.

Mikey: Like it’s – it’s kind of like looking – if you think that Voldemort was able to defeat Dumbledore – he knew more, he didn’t actually defeat him but he was that on par with Dumbledore. Is Harry on par with Dumbledore? No, Voldemort was though. But – yeah, sorry, I digress.

MuggleCast 166 Transcript (continued)


General Opinions on the Battle


Andrew: So in a way though – I mean, so in a way why – I mean a lot of people were expecting a major duel, correct? I mean, so why didn’t we think this through a little beforehand and think – unless we thought in Book 7 Harry was going to just develop some insane skills that would be right up to par with Voldemort.

Mikey: That’s what I was thinking. I was thinking Harry was just going to become like uber awesome.

Andrew: Really!?

Mikey: Yeah. I was hoping he would get – yes, that during the whole reading, and I started learning about the Hallows and everything, the whole line of Horcrux or Hallows, what to go after, I was so excited. I was like, “Oh my gosh, Harry’s going to be awesome. He’s going to be the Master of Death.” I was so – you don’t even know. I’m like – well, you know. I was reading – I was talking to you about it going, “Oh my gosh!” But when it came down to it I was actually really happy the way the battle came out. Because it wasn’t – it was one of those where it’s just like you knew walking into it that Harry had already defeated Voldemort. You knew it.

Andrew: Laura, what were you expecting?

Laura: Well, and this is kind of going off a point that we are going to touch on later, but I know that based on the book cover and based on the previous mentions of wandless magic, I thought that was the answer. I thought Harry and Voldemort were going to have to fight each other without their wands. And I thought that Harry was going to become super awesome at wandless magic. But I mean, I wasn’t…

Andrew: Yeah, but you were totally set on that happening?

Laura: Well, that was the most reasonable theory I had. What I appreciate about what we ended up getting was that it wasn’t this big like showdown battle with like every student at Hogwarts like out on the grounds firing at Voldemort’s army. It was just like Harry and Voldemort with everyone around them. And sort of the more fan fiction-y stories I saw had both groups of people advancing on each other like they were in some sort of, I don’t know, colonial fight. But…

Micah: Right. But I know people who would argue just the opposite, that they were disappointed that – and obviously there are other events going on that the reader needs to be focused on from Harry’s point of view – but things that we learn about after the fact. A lot of people had a problem with not seeing Remus and Tonks die and a lot of the other characters that we learn about later on. There wasn’t enough focus on the battle as a whole. It was too much of what was going on with Harry. Obviously we needed to know that but there was stuff that people felt was left out. There wasn’t enough battle time.

Laura: I think it’s kind of creepy that some people say they wanted to watch someone die.

Andrew: Well, but…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: …you know why though.

Laura: No, I’m just kidding.

Andrew: Sort of in their honor.

Laura: I’m just kidding.

Mikey: From a – I would definitely like to see Remus’ last hoorah. I hate to find out this character…

Andrew: [laughs] There wasn’t so much of a Hoorah though, was it?

Mikey: Well, it’s his last stand. You know what I mean? Like…

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: But you’ve got to remember. This is the story of Harry and his perspective and what he sees. He didn’t know. I’m sure if Harry realized that Remus was fighting and lost and died, he probably would have had a very similar reaction to what happened when Sirius died. And…

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: …it would have thrown off the whole thing and he probably wouldn’t have defeated Voldemort even though he had all this knowledge of what really was going on.

Penny: The thing is also, is that the way I look at is, even though I agree with Laura, I also thought that Harry was going to use wandless magic later, but I think part of the beauty of it is that he didn’t. He’s not Harry awesome guy. He’s just Harry Potter that we’ve come to love from the beginning of the book. But he’s just – he really is just a regular guy. Anybody could be Harry Potter. But he was able to take the tools that Dumbledore and everybody had given him and defeat Voldemort even without all the major spell work, wand work, everything like that. So I actually ended up really liking it, that it was just Harry being Harry.

Andrew: Well, where else – where should we go with this next? I mean, would it have been better to see a longer duel with, say, more complex spells, attacks, or people just in general, sort of like maybe a three on one? Like okay, if we can admit that Harry couldn’t beat Voldemort by himself, wouldn’t it have been cool to maybe see the trio attack Voldemort by himself?

Mikey: That…

Andrew: Because how do we – maybe Voldemort doesn’t have spells to go against – what if three Avada Kedavras are coming at him at once? What does he do?

Laura: I don’t know. I was always – I was always a firm proponent of the idea that Ron and Hermione could always help Harry during his journey but the final battle between just he and Voldemort, I thought that needed to be between them.

Mikey: That’s his – this is Harry’s story. It had to be his journey. He had to take it alone, you know. He had his mentors to help him. He had his Yoda character, you know. He has his friends helping him out. But in that last moment it has to be him alone. That’s the…

Andrew: Yeah.

Penny: And he says that. As soon he pulls off the Invisibility Cloak he says, “Everybody, move away. I have to do this.” And…

Mikey: Yeah. So it’s his story. It’s his journey and I am glad that they didn’t have the trio in there. I’m actually – I’m really happy with the way the book ended with that battle. I would’ve been really upset, if like Penny said, he became super Harry. Like Laura said earlier, it would’ve been cool for him to become super Harry with the wandless magic and everything, that’s what I was imagining before. And when I started hearing about Horcruxes or Hallows, I was like, “Oh my God. He’s going to get that wandless magic power and just be awesome.” And it turned out to be just not that he knew Voldemort was going to kill himself in a sense.

Micah: I was just going to comment on what you said earlier, Andrew. Voldemort – there is a scene where he is dueling McGonagall, Slughorn, and Flitwick, I think it is. So he could easily take on three people without any question; much more so, probably, the trio…

Andrew: That’s true.

Micah: …than dealing with the advanced magic that those three professors know.

Penny: I was just going to say the exact same thing as Micah. Basically, for those people that wanted to see that full, everybody waving their wands and throwing curses at each other, we saw that! We saw Voldemort battling three. That’s when Molly was fighting Bellatrix, and you couldn’t have had Harry be in the mix of that, because at that point, I don’t think that if they had known Harry was okay and alive, all those people, I don’t know if they would have had that same amount of energy at that point, as well, because Harry had to do it himself.

Andrew: Laura?

Laura: I was going to say, in regards to Harry just being a regular guy, what I thought was so great about this whole scene was he used his signature spell to kill Voldemort. And…

Andrew: Yes.

Laura: …I just thought that was great.


Would It Had Been Better With More Battling Against Voldemort?


Andrew: Did you? Well, that would be interesting. But first let me ask you a question, Laura, I wanted to ask you earlier.

Laura: Uh-oh.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: If the battle – if this battle wasn’t just between Harry and Voldemort, would you have been severely disappointed? I mean, that could be a question to anyone, but I want your opinion first.

Laura: I think I would have been a little bit confused, because throughout the whole novel it was sort of this idea of – and I was never one of those people who was like, “No, Harry can never take Ron and Hermione with him in Book 7!” Like, I never thought of that but it just seemed like the overlying message was Harry’s the only one who can defeat Voldemort. So it would seem kind of cheap at the very end of this wonderful series, to have Ron and Hermione there shooting curses at Voldemort with him. So that’s just me.

Andrew: So you would be disappointed if…

Laura: I would be disappointed. Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. I think I agree with that. So I guess someone could argue that Jo avoided having them duel longer, because we as readers knew that Voldemort couldn’t win. I mean, is that fair to say?

Laura: Yeah, I mean, he’d already lost.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: That was the whole thing.

Andrew: But do you think that’s why Jo kept it short and sweet and to the point? Extremely.

Laura: Hmm. I mean, it was pretty short.

Andrew: Mhm. See, now you’re admitting it.

Laura: No, I mean…

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: …the final showdown between them was very short.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: I don’t care, but…

Andrew: I’m just kidding.

Laura: I don’t know. Because I felt like so much of the battle was already done by that point.

Penny: Exactly. The three chapters that led up to it, it was all part of the battle.


Harry Using Expelliarmus


Andrew: Yeah. Okay, well, let’s talk about what Laura just mentioned, Harry using his signature spell. And this is another interesting debate. I was kind of surprised to just hear that Laura was excited to see him use that. Let’s sum it up. It is the, of course, “Expelliarmus!” spell. We talked about it a lot at our summer tour last summer, and I know we’ve referenced it a lot before, but it sort of goes back to when Lupin warned him, earlier in the book, that it’s not a good spell to use in defense. And this is from Chapter 5, Harry explaining to Lupin how he got caught. Harry says, “‘We were hundreds of feet up, Stan’s not himself, and if I’d Stunned him and he’d fallen, he’d have died the same as if I’d used Avada Kedavra. Expelliarmus saved me from Voldemort two years ago,’ Harry added defiantly.” And in a way, that was sort of foreshadowing, wasn’t it? I mean, what was to come?

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: And then in the same chapter, Lupin is explaining why not to use Expelliarmus and we can talk about whether Lupin was right or wrong here. Lupin says, “‘The Death Eaters, frankly, most people would have expected you to attack back. Expelliarmus is a useful spell, Harry, but the Death Eaters seem to think it is your signature move. And I urge you not to let it become so.’ Lupin was making Harry feel idiotic, yet there was still a grain of defiance in him. ‘I won’t blast people out of my way just because they’re there!’ said Harry. ‘That’s Voldemort’s job.'” So, Laura, do you think Lupin was right to recommend this to Harry? I mean, he certainly has a good point. People can expect that he’s going to use Expelliarmus.

Laura: I guess so, but I just – my thing is, it clearly works. Not only did Harry make the point to Lupin in Book 7 that he had escaped Voldemort before using this, but he also made the same point in Book 5, I believe, when they were getting together Dumbledore’s Army and everyone was sort of sceptical of learning Expelliarmus. And he said, “Well, hey, this is how I escaped Voldemort last summer.” So I don’t know.

Andrew: What does everyone else think about this? Was Lupin right to tell him to not use the spell?

Micah: Yes. In my opinion. I think it’s a weak spell.

Mikey: No, I agree with Micah completely. Logically thinking, Expelliarmus is probably the weakest spell you should use against a Death Eater who’s trying to kill you. You know, a Stunning Spell is just that much more logical to use. You know, that way you have more time to get away before versus them just not having their wand. Now, at the same time, though, Harry kind of has his own set of morals and that’s where he’s, “I won’t blast people out of my way just because they’re there.” And I’m glad that Harry sticks to them, but from Remus’ standpoint, Harry’s being an idiot. Using Expelliarmus.

Andrew: Mhm.

Mikey: And I think that Lupin was in every right to express his feelings and tell Harry not to let that become his signature move.

Andrew: Yeah. And we obviously saw some anger between those two in the book. Do you think Harry wanted to continue using it just to prove Lupin wrong?

Micah: Not at that point in the series, no. I mean, you’re talking about – Lupin has already been killed. I don’t think Harry is proving a point when he kills Voldemort with Expelliarmus for the sake of the conversation that he had had with Lupin months before that. If that’s what you’re asking.

Andrew: Well, I was just saying – forgetting about the final battle, I mean, do you think he just wanted to – he didn’t really take Lupin’s advice and continued using it throughout the book, not just the final battle, just because he wanted to prove something with it?

Mikey: No! I think it – again, it kind of goes back to what Harry said there. He won’t blast people out the way just because they’re there. He’s completely different than what Voldemort is, and the exact opposite of Voldemort just killing people and blasting them out of the way would be just to disarm them and kind of almost talk to them. And Harry would obviously not talk to them, he would run away, but it’s one of those things where if he did anything more forceful, it would have been kind of closer to what Voldemort himself would have almost done. And I think Harry walked his own line and stayed with it.

Micah: Yeah. I think it was a matter of comfort for Harry. It was probably the first thing that came to his mind. But I also believe that if he had used any spell it would have killed Voldemort. Just because he was using the Elder Wand.

Penny: But also, before Deathly Hallows came out, a lot of people were very nervous about Harry killing Voldemort because they said – because we know that Dumbledore told Harry that part of his soul would be split. Part of anybody’s soul was split if they willingly kill somebody. And a lot of people were concerned that Harry’s soul just wasn’t going to be the same if he would kill Voldemort. So this wasn’t – he didn’t use Avada Kedavra on him. Like Micah said, anything that he would have used would kill him, but just by virtue of the fact that he didn’t use one of those stronger spells, I think, shows just who Harry is.

Micah: Well, I just want to bring something up, and I know we’ve talked about this on another show. We saw, in this book, Harry use the other two Unforgivable Curses.

Penny: Yeah, that’s true.

Micah: And I thought that was leading up to him using Avada Kedavra against Voldemort, but it never happened.

Andrew: Mmm. Yeah. And it would have been exciting to see him use it, don’t you think? Okay, yeah, it’s a death spell, but don’t you think it would have been exciting? I think Micah brings up a good point, you know. It seems like it was sort of leading to that.

Micah: Right. I forget who they – well, he used the Imperius Curse. What is it, the Ministry? No.

Penny: At Gringotts.

Micah: At Gringotts, sorry. And then they use – Harry uses Crucio on one of the – was it Alecto or one of the Carrows.

Penny: Yeah. Amycus.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Amycus Carrow. See, that’s why Penny’s here, to correct all my mistakes.

[Micah and Penny laugh]

Penny: Sorry.

Micah: No, no, no. I make plenty of them.

Laura: But weren’t those for specific reasons?

Micah: Yeah, but it’s almost like Jo was saying “Okay, Imperius Curse, now Cruciatus Curse, we’re building to something bigger at the end of the story.” But that’s just what I thought.

Laura: Mmm. Harry is like Batman. He won’t kill anybody.

Andrew: [laughs] In a way, though, that sort of is – I don’t want to say a weakness, because Harry is obviously a very strong person – but he has that sort of heart.

Laura: That “saving people thing”?

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, although he did kill Voldemort, so it’s not like he can’t kill.


Harry Giving Voldemort the Option to Repent


Laura: Yeah, but you know what? He even gave Voldemort a chance to repent.

Andrew: Yeah, and that was really interesting. Like, what would have happened if – I don’t know. I didn’t get what was going on there, really.

Micah: He wouldn’t have.

Andrew: But what would have happened?

Laura: If Voldemort had just been like “Oh, yeah. Sorry, dude”?

Andrew: Yeah, exactly!

[Laura laughs]

Mikey: Yeah, but you know what? But you see, Harry had to offer that chance to him. He really did. He had to offer Voldemort that chance to kind of turn around, because that’s what Dumbledore would have wanted, to give Tom Riddle one last chance to redeem himself. Because Harry knew what his future held because he had seen the torn-up soul already at King’s Cross. And we know he wasn’t going to take it. We knew Voldemort was not human anymore. He wasn’t going to repent for his crimes. But he had to give him that chance because that’s what Dumbledore would have wanted.

Penny: But what’s interesting is if you look at what was said there at that exact moment, it says – Harry is talking to Voldemort and it says, “‘Before you try to kill me, I advise you to think about what you have done. Think and try for some remorse, Riddle.'” And then he says, “‘What’s this?’ Of all the things that Harry had said to him, beyond any revelation or taunt, nothing had shocked Voldemort like this.”

Andrew: Yeah. That was really interesting.

Penny: And I was just always wondering, why? Why did this bother Voldemort so much?

Andrew: Because he’s giving him a chance. Right? He’s giving him a chance for survival in a way. Or he doesn’t want to kill him, it almost seems like. Right?

Penny: It would seem like that, but does he have a chance?

Laura: Or maybe Voldemort thought if Harry was actually offering him this chance, maybe that was when he realized, “Oh, crap! I’m going to die!” [laughs] You know?


Snape Taught Harry His Signature Spell


Andrew: Yeah. Well, it’s a very interesting debate. Let’s move along to another thing to talk about. Penny, did you add this in? Snape is the one to…

Penny: About – yeah.

Andrew: Go ahead talk about that.

Penny: Well, everybody wanted to know from the beginning what the deal was with Snape. And what’s interesting is that in Chamber of Secrets when they did the duel, Snape is the one who taught Harry the spell.

Laura: Oh!

Penny: So, ultimately, Snape is the one who – not only did he protect Harry throughout the series…

Laura: Oh.

Penny: …but he’s the one that taught him his signature spell and the one that ultimately killed Voldemort. So that’s just pretty cool.

Laura: Oh my gosh, that’s amazing. I never noticed that before.

Andrew: Yeah.

Penny: Isn’t that awesome?

Andrew: Yeah, it is really cool.

Laura: I feel like I should pull a Jamie and request a moment of silence for this amazing discovery.

Andrew: [imitating Jamie] Let’s have a moment of silence just to appreciate that moment.

Laura: I feel like he does that every other episode. [laughs]

Andrew: It’s funny. It’s his thing.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: He just wants to have a break for a second. That’s his way of…

Laura: It’s his signature line.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Like I could announce Podcast Alley and he’ll just be like, “Can we just take a moment to appreciate here.”

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: Oh Jamie.

Micah: But that’s really cool. The only thing that I wish that we could have seen was Snape possibly in that final battle where he was fighting on the side we all knew he was on, but it obviously couldn’t have happened that way.

Penny: But at least Harry was able to announce it everybody, where Snape’s allegiance lied.


Holy You-Know-What Moments


Andrew: Yeah, moving along. What was this last point? Was this you too, Penny?

Penny: Yeah. I just thought there were so many parts during this battle that were just like, oh my gosh, holy you-know-what moments, and not just for the readers. Because there were some things. Like we knew that Harry was under the Cloak, let’s say, during the battle. So Harry pulls off the Cloak and all of a sudden everybody sees that he’s alive.

Andrew: Bum-bum-bum. Yeah.

Penny: So that’s for the people that are in the Great Hall. But then the point when Harry says “Snape was Dumbledore’s, he was never yours,” that’s a time that Voldemort is just like, oh my gosh. And then when we’re reading it and all of a sudden he’s talking and says something like, “Draco Malfoy was the master of the Elder Wand.” I don’t know about you guys when you read it, but when I read it, it’s like it was in the back of my head but I just didn’t make the connections.

Andrew: Yeah.

Penny: And I was just like, “oh my gosh, you’re right!” I just thought that there were so many of those during this battle that it made it so good.

Andrew: Yeah. And reading the battle again today, in preparation for this discussion, I really felt like to pay tribute to J.K. Rowling and her books, they should really strive to keep this scene verbatim in the movie.

Penny: Yes.

Andrew: I think that would be so cool.

Laura: Mhm. And they could easily do it too. I mean…

Andrew: It’s like a movie.

Laura: Yeah, it would all translate very well.

Andrew: Yeah, exactly, yeah.

Penny: As long as they can pull it off. I hope that they’d be able to, because it really is amazing.

Andrew: Yeah, it really is, it really is. Well, there you go. There’s our discussion on the final battle. Does anyone have any other things to add about this? No moments of silence to appreciate.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: None here.

Micah: No, I thought it was a good discussion.


Holiday Discussion


Andrew: Yes, and I think we laid it all to rest one last time. You know, speaking of this, we’ve been talking about all of this and yet we’ve failed to mention thus far that this is our holiday episode. And here we are talking about death and how Harry was a wuss for not killing someone straight up. So we’re going to transition now into sort of a little holiday discussion. Last episode we asked people to send in their questions related to Beedle via Twitter, which is sort of like a Facebook. The whole site is dedicated to Facebook statuses, so to speak. So Twitter is – you have an account and you just write what you’re doing throughout the day. So “Andrew is dot dot dot recording MuggleCast.”

Micah: It came in very handy for our Ministry of Magic elections.

Andrew: Yes it did. That too. So I want to start using it more with MuggleCast. This week – and I posted an announcement on the site just saying, yay, we’re going to start using Twitter more. So this week we asked people for their questions about the holidays. Sort of to talk a little about the holidays since it is the holiday season.

[Holiday music plays]

Andrew: And this first one came from Pokea.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I didn’t read this username.

Mikey: I like that Twitter name. I really do.

Andrew: It’s – I guess I have to read it. It’s “Pokeahotass.” And so…

[Andrew and Laura laugh]


The Hosts Say What They Would Give to the Trio


Andrew: I never read it. It said, “If you could get the trio anything for Christmas what would it be? And the motives behind the gift.” I thought that was interesting. I guess we could talk about the Wizarding World. Mikey, if you had to give one of the trio anything, what would you give them?

Mikey: Ooh, I don’t know. I would give Ron a Blu-Ray player.

Andrew: I knew you were going to say Blu-Ray. So you can watch it on Blu-Ray.

Mikey: I think out of the trio, I think Ron would really enjoy movies.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: I think he’s the type of person – I don’t know. I think I identify a lot with Ron. I don’t know. Maybe that’s why I – I like movies.

Andrew: For Christmas I would just give Harry a six-pack of beer. Just let the kid relax.

Laura: He deserves it. He’s earned it.

Mikey: Just relax and hang out.

Andrew: Yeah. Penny or Laura, do you guys have any ideas?

Penny: I was going to give Ron some tact for Christmas.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: What’s that? Tact?

Penny: Tact. T-A-C-T.

Andrew: What is that?

Penny: Tact? Like be more tactful?

Andrew: Oh, I see. I’m sure he would appreciate that. It’d be one of those “Oh, ha-ha” jokes.

Mikey: Oh, you know what? I would also give Hermione Ben Schoen.

Laura: Oh.

Andrew: Ah, yes.

Micah: Wow.

Andrew: She couldn’t ask for anything more.

Mikey: She couldn’t ask for any more.

Laura: That’s unfortunate.

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: That would be Emma Watson though.

Laura: I’m just kidding. Kind of.

Mikey: Anyway.

Andrew: This next one comes from HeidiHeartsHugs. That’s a nice name. Compared to the first one.

Micah: Compared to the last one.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]


Santa in the Wizarding World


Andrew: The question is, “They have Christmas, but does the Wizarding World have a Santa? And if so, what magical differences would he have?” This is a good question. Like what – like okay, obviously they celebrate Christmas, but in terms of religion – and this other question comes from JPrince610, “Are all the children of Hogwarts Christian? Because if they weren’t it might get a little awkward for little Jewish witch or wizard.” That’s kind of a good question.

Penny: That Anthony Goldstein.

Andrew: What’s that?

Penny: You’ve got Anthony Goldstein. He’s a little Jewish kid at Hogwarts.

Andrew: Well …

Mikey: Now that is stereotyping. That is stereotyping.

Penny: I’m sorry. [laughs]

Micah: Yeah, well …

Mikey: Goldstein?

Micah: Chances are he’s Jewish.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: I mean let’s be realistic here.

[Laura laughs]

Mikey: My senior English teacher…

Penny: Micah and I can both say it without stereotyping.

Micah: Yeah, exactly.

Andrew: Yeah, it’s okay. That’s why we have you two on the show. No, but what do you think? I mean we’ve always seen just the Christmas holiday in Hogwarts, but is anything else celebrated?

Mikey: Well, you know, you’ve got to remember that Santa is a wizard. Come on, he’s got his little red wizard hat and he flies magical reindeer.

Andrew: But children in the Wizarding World must not even be fascinated by Santa because he can do what they can do.

Mikey: But he still gives them toys.

Andrew: That’s true, they can’t produce toys like Santa can.

Mikey: Exactly. He’s got his – he’s got elves, a bunch of elves, the slave driver making toys year round.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: Come on, he’s a wizard! You know, Santa’s a wizard. He’s real. I still believe in Santa Claus.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Me too.

Penny: Are they House-elves?

Mikey: Yeah, House-elves, yeah.

Andrew: Oh, you mean …

Mikey: No, they’re workshop elves. There’s a difference. They make toys instead of do housework.

Laura: Hmm.

Andrew: It would kind of be cool to see like a special holiday in the Wizarding World.

Mikey: Yeah, like Santa Claus, he’s been around from 1200 A.D. to current. The oldest – only second in age to Nicholas Flammel, and…

Andrew: Yeah, I know, but…

Mikey: No, that would be rad though, I agree.

Andrew: Like a full on holiday. You know, Jo creates all this crazy stuff in the films – or in the books, so just imagine her coming up with a holiday with a theme and songs and a figurehead like Santa.

Mikey: Like “We Wish you a Wizard Christmas” and stuff like that?

Andrew: Yeah. Do you think Dumbledore would play Santa at the meet and greats?

Mikey: [laughs] It’s like, “Now what would you like for…” Never mind. Just imagine…

[Laura laughs]

Mikey: …Santa sitting up in the Great Hall in a big old red costume, and it’s not really Dumbledore, it’s Santa Claus.


Religion in the Wizarding World


Andrew: And one last question from LindseyTinsey. That’s a cute little rhyme there. “Why does the Wizarding World celebrate Christmas and Easter? Do they believe in Jesus?” I know we could probably get deep into a religious discussion, but…

Laura: That’s not necessary.

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: I mean, I think – okay, here’s what I’ll say. I’m not religious myself, but I still celebrate Christmas and Easter and all of these other holidays because they’re – while they are Christian holidays they’re also huge in our society. So…

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: I mean, since I’m not religious it’s like I pick up these major holidays and celebrate them anyhow.

Andrew: Yeah, and I think Jo wanted to write a holiday that she celebrates. I think…

Micah: Right.

Laura: It’s something familiar, you know?

Andrew: Yeah. And plus, when she was writing Sorcerer’s Stone, which has Christmas in it, she didn’t think it would be as big as the book became and I doubt she was writing it to – I’m not trying to say that she was like, “Oh I need to write…” Never mind, I don’t know what I’m saying.

Mikey: It also has Halloween.

Micah: No, I agree with you.

Mikey: They also have Halloween. They also have Halloween.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: No, I agree, Andrew. I think it’s whatever she knows from her own experience. That’s what she’s putting in the book.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: It doesn’t necessarily mean that they all believe in Jesus. I think one thing to remember, and this is not in any way trying to offend people, but Christmas has become a very commercialized holiday where…

Andrew: Right.

Micah: Just like what Laura was saying, people may not subscribe to the religion but they still celebrate it because it’s just a festive holiday and that time of year just lends itself to, I guess, a Christmas type feeling.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: And I’m going to get e-mails for that.

Andrew: Well, there you go.

Micah: So yeah.

Andrew: No you won’t. I don’t think so. Well, there you go. There’s our holiday discussion for this year. Merry Christmas, everyone.

Laura: Even though three quarters of it was about death.

Micah: Happy Holidays!

Andrew: Happy Holidays, I’m sorry. All right, now it’s time to get into voicemails. We haven’t had them in a while. So I don’t know about you guys but I’m very excited.

Mikey: Woo! Excited!

Andrew: Let’s take the first one. This is a book question.


Voicemail: Lily Should Have Been Crookshanks


[Audio]: Hey MuggleCast, this is Colton, age 15 of Kansas City, Missouri, the biggest Harry Potter fan of all time. I was just reading the series for my ninth time and I got to the part in Prisoner of Azkaban where they found out that Peter Pettigrew was and Animagus, and I thought – or I thought before Deathly Hallows was released – that maybe a good plot twist would be if Lily Potter was secretly Crookshanks in Animagus form. Obviously this isn’t possible because Deathly Hallows has already been released. Just thought I’d see if I could get you guys’ feedback. Thanks. Keep up the good work. Love the show. Pickles.

Andrew: There’s a crazy listener who believes Crookshanks could have been Lily. I thought that was kind of interesting.

Laura: You know, I’ve heard that theory before.

Andrew: Really?

Laura: Yeah, there were a lot of people who thought that.

Andrew: Like before Book 7?

Laura: Yes. Yeah.

Andrew: That would be so cool, but at the same time it would be crazy. Like how would Harry react? Wouldn’t he be…

Mikey: He would be resentful.

Andrew: …like, “What the hell?”

Mikey: Like, seriously.

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, “You’ve been hiding from me as a cat this whole time?”

Mikey: [laughs] That heavy …

Andrew: At least show yourself once.

Mikey: I know. Come on. Like how many birthdays and Christmases did he have with no family.

Andrew: Right.

Mikey: And all that time at the Dursleys’. That would be like – oh wow, I’d be like so…

Andrew: It would be funny if there were a couple scenes where Crookshanks…

Mikey: It’s like the Jerry Springer edition of Harry Potter.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Well, no, I was going to say, before Harry found out there’d been like instances where Harry would be like – behind Hermione’s back Harry would toss the cat of to the side…

[Laura and Mikey laugh]

Andrew: …when he was sitting in a chair or something. She was sitting in a chair. Yeah.

Micah: Yeah, well, one of the things that could still be true, and really does need to be posed to Jo is, there was a cat that was talked about in the letter that was found in Sirius’ room…

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: …from the Potters’ old home, and I know we got a lot of e-mail about that possibly being Crookshanks.

Andrew: But see, the problem with that theory, I mean other than Mrs. Norris, they’re the only two cats so I could sort of see how everyone would be like “Oh my God, maybe it’s a connection,” because there’s not that many cats.

Laura: Or maybe they just had a pet cat.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: I don’t know.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: I don’t think that’s unreasonable. [laughs]

Andrew: That’s an interesting theory though. I mean, Jo could’ve went anywhere with that. That would’ve been pretty cool though. That kid – did you hear what that kid said though? He was reading the series for the ninth time.

Micah: Wow.

Laura: That’s impressive.


Voicemail: Differences Between U.S. and U.K. Editions


Andrew: All right, next voicemail. This is also about the books.

[Audio]: Hi MuggleCasters, this is Courtney Martin, I’m 17 from [unintelligible] United States. I love your show, but I have a question. What’s the difference between the U.S. edition and the U.K. edition of any of the Harry Potter books? I’ve been reading the Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows U.K. version because I’ve already read the U.S. version. I love your show, especially Andrew and Laura. Thanks! Bye.

Andrew and Laura: Aww.

Laura: That’s so sweet.

Andrew: Well, that’s a kind of a good question. Not everyone really knows that, especially maybe our younger listeners. But the difference between the U.S. and U.K. editions are – I mean, it’s different publishers, that’s mainly the thing. And then also, when Jo writes these books, she writes them for – she writes them in English, U.K. English, so some words like “favorite” will have a “u” in them, and then they change those words in the U.S. edition so it matches with our – with our proper language.

Laura: And even some of the slang gets changed too.

Andrew: Yeah. Not to mention the title.

Laura: Yeah. [laughs] Of the first book. And the covers are different too.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: But…

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: And…

Andrew: Any other differences?

Mikey: In Philosopher’s Stone there’s an extra chapter. In the U.S. edition.

Andrew: Nuh-uh.

Mikey: Uh-huh.

Andrew: Really?

Mikey: Yeah, because it’s in the Sorcerer’s Stone versus Philosopher’s Stone. In the U.K. edition there’s no explanation of what a sorcerer’s stone is, or a philosophers stone is, because it’s kind of like common knowledge, whereas in the U.S. edition there’s that explanation because – of the sorcerer’s stone or philosopher’s stone – is not common knowledge.

Andrew: Oh, I thought you said extra chapter.

Mikey: No, well, it’s not really an extra chapter, but there’s a whole extra section that is in the U.S. edition…

Andrew: Oh.

Laura: Oh, okay.

Mikey: …that’s not in the U.K. edition. But that’s like the only one that I know off the top of my head that still stands out.

Andrew: Well, also, and Penny called this one, in Beedle the Bard there’s an extra footnote for the U.S. people saying, “if you’re not from the U.K. such and such means this.” And when she saw that she IM-ed me and was like, “hey, is this in the U.K. version?” And I was like “why, no, it’s not.” Good find, Penny.

Penny: Yeah, because once again, we’re stupid.

Andrew: Yeah.

Penny: That’s why.

Laura: [laughs] Exactly.

Mikey: I know I am.

Andrew: Stupid?

Mikey: Maybe, sometimes. Most of the time. Maybe. I don’t know. Anyway.


Voicemail: Dumbledore Resembles Gandalf


Andrew: All right, next voicemail.

[Audio]: Hi, my name’s Aubrey and I was watching the international teaser trailer, and I was listening to MuggleCast about the fire and how somebody was really obsessed and pyromaniac-ish, and I was wondering if anyone else thought that the scene where Dumbledore was waving around and the fire was going on, that that was a little bit of Gandalf from Lord of the Rings. Like, I was seriously reminded of Gandalf. But anyway, I’m going to keep this short, so yeah. Okay, bye!

Andrew: Gandalf. I have not seen Lord of the Rings so I have no idea what’s she’s talking about.

Mikey: Yes.

Andrew: Actually, I know Gandalf.

Mikey: I agree.

Penny: That was my first thought, definitely.

Laura: Yeah.

Mikey: It’s definitely a little Gandalf-in-Lord of the Rings-ish.

Micah: I agree too.

Laura: Yeah.

Penny: I thought it was a cross between Gandalf and Moses…

[Laura laughs]

Penny: …like in the The Ten Commandments a little bit.


Mikey Explains How Trailers Work


Mikey: You know what? Actually – actually, about the trailer, I never actually got to talk about it because I was moving during that time, but someone IM – or messaged me on Facebook or something – and asked about the visual effects work because, I don’t know, I guess people ask me that sort of stuff. But if you look at like the trailer – I actually pulled it up right now, just to make sure I’m not going crazy thinking about it. But if you look at the bridge scene, there’s a bunch of people on it when they’re going around it and then it snaps, and then when its flipping up and down, there’s nobody on it. And just to answer that person’s question, because I don’t remember what it was, trailers are cut completely crazy, so if you think there’s no visual effects done or something like that where there’s nobody on it, because when you go to the scene at exactly at 1:37, there’s nobody on the bridge, and the bridge is just like flying up and down. What happen is the people have either fallen off or have gotten off there and that could be at the very end of it when all the cars and everything on it are just gone, off the bridge.

Andrew: Oh, that’s a good point.

Mikey: But yeah, it’s not like the trailer’s not done and the footage isn’t done, it’s – if you look at it, it’s completely intercut with different timing. That can literally be like three minutes later in the scene where it’s that distorted, and it’s not that visual effects aren’t done. And it’s just that – it’s – you can see that it’s completely cut different time. Same thing with a lot of the Tom Riddle and the – the young Riddle and the older Riddle, like the cuts back and forth to it.

Andrew: I – go ahead.

Mikey: Yeah, I was just going to say, a lot of that is just trailer editing. A lot of times you will see stuff in trailers that don’t actually make it into the movie, but they’re actually there. They’re just used a little bit differently in the trailer.

Micah: I actually have a question for you, Mikey, though, off of that. Do trailers oftentimes not always go in sequence?

Andrew: Definitely not.

Micah: I’ll be a little more – No, no, no – here’s what I’m saying though. For example, Harry and Dumbledore at one point in this trailer are in front of Slughorn’s house and they immediately Apparate and there’s this really quick scene in there where they show up on the Astronomy Tower and it switches to something else.

Mikey: So the way trailers kind of work is it’s kind of up to an editor to kind of create a short story out of it. Now what happens is, what people tend to see, tend to be the really cool parts that are done, and so the Apparition scene – I’m actually going through it step by step. Chances are, that’s not the final scene or final Apparition – Apparation. Blah. Whatever. It’s not the final visual effects for it. It’s probably – I’m looking at it. It looks like an additional kind of thing that the editor may have done and it cuts directly to the Tower. Nothing to do. And what happens is, a lot of times trailers are cut before the whole thing is done and editors just start getting stuff. And one editor who might actually be working on the film will be assigned, hey, you need to cut the trailer. So so they know, this scene has been done, this scene’s been done. They start picking and choosing key shots from it that look exciting that will fit to a trailer, and they’ll cut something to a temp music track. And then it will go from that – the temp music track will go to someone who does music and will actually put music to it that’s the Harry Potter music. They will keep dialogue in.


Voicemail: Movie 6’s New Scene


Andrew: Okay, let’s listen to the next voicemail.

[Audio]: Hey guys! This is Micah from South Carolina and I just wanted to let you guys know I am completely confused. I just finished reading for the second time the Half-Blood Prince book, and this is going to sound really retarded, but I cannot find anywhere where the Burrow is on fire and I am confused. If I could get some help on that. I don’t know if maybe it’s at the end of the book and I am just reading too fast. Maybe I just missed that. But you guys do a great job. I love the show. The trailer was awesome, the new trailer, and I love listening to you guys. Thanks very much for your time. Bye.

Andrew: The reason I included this is because we actually – people still do send in e-mails about this, which is kind of surprising. It’s been widely reported, but they added that scene, specifically that scene, to the film as a pacing scene to hint at danger early on. So that whole scene at the Burrow, that is an entirely new scene approved by Jo, but entirely new, and it’s not in the book, so there you go.

Mikey: And wouldn’t that also be kind of the understanding of getting them back to school and back to also the Order headquarters too?

Andrew: Oh, yeah!

Mikey: Because now it’s no longer safe at the Burrow. It’s again – like the trailers, movies can’t be completely true to the books because people who don’t read the books have to be able to follow along. Well, why aren’t they at the Burrow? Harry’s safe there. Their family has been safe there for years and Voldemort has been around. Why do they have to go to the Order of the Phoenix headquarters? Especially since it’s so dark and gloomy and whatever.


Voicemail: The Trailer Themes


Andrew: And the final voicemail for today:

[Audio]: Hey MuggleCasters, Nicole here from Micah’s alma mater Syracuse University. And once again, I must ask too much of you all. It is needless to say the new trailer has sparked a lot of discussion. In the past two previews we see that they each adhere to a theme. Like the first one focused on young Tom Riddle and Dumbledore, whereas the second one, although a bit more fiery as you all put it, definitely put the emphasis on Harry and Dumbledore. I am surprised there has not been much dialogue seen amongst the Malfoy and Lestrange families, especially since Narcissa is a relatively new character in the realm of the HP films. I know we’ve got a few more months until the movie does comes, out but do you guys think in the next trailer they will promote them more? Thanks MuggleCast! And Andrew, I love you, wildcat!

Andrew: Hey now!

Micah: Wow.

Laura: Oh my gosh.

Andrew: She is of course referring to the fabulous High School Musical 3. They refer to each other as “wildcats” in the school because that’s their mascot thing. Anyway, what can we hope for in the next trailer in terms of a theme? I mean, she was saying, hopefully, some more Narcissa Malfoy, but I don’t know. Maybe hopefully they will focus more on the humor that they are loving to hype up right now. Especially on ABC Family. I don’t know. Does anyone have any hopes for what the next trailer can bring in terms of a theme or what to see?

Micah: Snape?

Andrew: Snape?

Penny: Yeah, I was going to say that, or the Potions book, Half-Blood Prince, something.

Andrew: Yeah, there still has been no explanation of that.

Micah: Maybe a little more Slughorn.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: A little more of everything that we want from the movie?

[Micah and Mikey laugh]

Penny: But not too much!

Micah: I’m wondering what Nicole wants to see out of the Lestranges and the Malfoys, because I would think that Narcissa’s role in particular would be pretty minor in this movie.

Mikey: It’s all Draco’s role.

Micah: There’s somebody, too, to see some more of, Draco.

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, there’s been a lot of pictures of Draco, too, coming out. I mean a lot of the promotional pictures have had Draco and yet we’ve seen pretty much nothing of him in the trailers.

Mikey: We’ll see Draco. I’m sure of it just because, you know, Harry doesn’t fight Voldemort in this book, it’s all Draco.

Andrew: All right, so there you go. That’s voicemails this week. We’ll give you the call-in information at the end of the show if you want to send in your own voicemail and we’ll get to that, too. These – of course those last three were all about the trailer because these were gathered when the trailer came out so everyone was very excited to talk about it.


Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul


Andrew: But let’s wrap up today with Chicken Soup: Finals Edition. Penny, you want to do this one? It’s like your inaugural Chicken Soup.

Penny: Oh wow. I might just shed a tear.

[Andrew laughs]

Penny: It’s from Carly, 15, from Vermont, and she writes:

“Hey everyone, lately I’ve been going through a lot of stuff at school. Keeping straight A’s isn’t very easy, especially with finals coming up. I hate having the pressure applied to me because I know if I don’t do well in high school and college it’s going to be difficult, and since I’m only a freshman I really shouldn’t start worrying yet. But since I have four siblings I need straight A’s to continue in school. MuggleCast has gotten me through those hard nights of constant nonstop studying when I don’t go to bed until 3 A.M. because I need to finish a paper. All your jokes and stories make my day that much better and I really enjoy hearing your voices. Myth: ‘Harry Potter’ is over. Total lie. MuggleCast is continuing the fandom and keeping it strong. Thanks Andrew, Matt, Elysa, Laura, Micah, Eric, Ben, Mikey B., Kevin, and Jamie.”

Micah: And Penny.

Penny: “I hope I didn’t forget anyone. If I did, just imagine their name.”

I’m imagining it.

Andrew: Penny!

Penny: “Everything you do is amazing. I hope to someday meet you all. I love you, and thanks again for keeping me sane through these times.” Smiley face, heart.

Andrew: Aww, well you’re very welcome, Carly. And there you go. Doesn’t that warm your heart? It’s like a chicken soup.

Micah: That’s a lot of work for a 15 year-old to be up until 3 A.M.

Andrew: Well, these kids these days, it’s just work, work, work.

Micah: Wow.

Andrew: I don’t get it.

Micah: I’m not sending my kids to school in Vermont, that’s for sure.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: That’s a good point though. You know, that is a lot. Maybe she was saving it all until the very end or something.

Micah: Probably. Procrastination.

Mikey: That’s what I do. You’re not supposed to do that, but I do that.

Andrew: Anyway, so that does wrap up the latest episode of MuggleCast. I know you’re all sad, but we will be back next week for a fantastic year-in-review episode. We’re going to be talking about all the big stories over this year. And I was thinking about it, there was a lot of big stories that happened this year. Even though, for the first time in a while, we did not see a new book or a new movie this year, besides Beedle, but it doesn’t really count.

Micah: We got the Tenth Anniversary Edition of Sorcerer’s Stone. [laughs]

Penny: That was exciting.


Contact Information


Andrew: How could I forget? I guess that was one of the bigger stories we could discuss because they’re planning on doing tenth anniversary editions for the rest of the books, too. So, to contact us, if you’d like to send parcel mail, you can always send it in to the MuggleCast P.O. Box. That is MuggleCast P.O. Box 3151, Cumming, Georgia, 30028. If you would like to call in a voicemail and have it played on the show just like the ones that were aired a little earlier, we have a couple numbers for you. If you’re in the United States you can dial 1-218-20-MAGIC. And if you’re in the United Kingdom you can dial 02081440677. Now, you guys can help me to decide this, but right here I would normally say the Australian number, but here’s the thing: it expired a few days ago. And literally, we get very, very, very few calls from it, so I’m thinking we should just let it go. What do you guys think? [laughs]

Penny: Yeah, just ignore it and hopefully no one will notice.

Andrew: [laughs] Now that I’m discussing it here on air I think people may, but it just didn’t get used so I figure, why even bother? I’m sure Eric would be annoyed if he were here because he used to live there.

Micah: You’re going to get a lot of e-mails now from Australia.

Andrew: Well…

Micah: All of a sudden this line will be the hottest…

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Micah: …phone line for the next two weeks if you renew it.

Andrew: Yeah, we just didn’t get many calls from it.

Micah: How long would you have to renew it for?

Andrew: You can do three months or you can do a year.

Micah: Oh.

Andrew: So it doesn’t get used and you can always use the other option; you can Skype the username MuggleCast to leave us a question too, so maybe they can just do that.

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay…

Mikey: I like Skype. I like Skype.

Andrew: So we’re decided. All of us Americans have decided for the Australians. We love our Australia listeners, though. We do have a lot of them. It’s just the number didn’t get used much, so Skype the username MuggleCast if you can’t get either of those two numbers. And don’t forget, on MuggleCast.com, we have a feedback form to contact any one of us, or just use our first name at staff dot mugglenet dot com. I actually have to revise the script in my head because we fixed the feedback form on the site but you can’t individually contact us anymore because something went weird and it hasn’t been working. So, if you want to send an individual message to one of us, just use our first name at staff dot mugglenet dot com. Penny, for now, we’ll get you an at staff name eventually, but for now, if somebody wants to write to you with a thought or a disagreement, or whatever, how could they e-mail you?

Penny: HarryPotterProgs at yahoo dot com.

Andrew: Okay, there we go. So – and also don’t forget our community outlets. We have the MySpace, we have the Facebook

[Show music begins]

Andrew:YouTube, Frappr, Last.FM, we have the fanlisting and the forums. Also, don’t forget to follow us on Twitter. And now with every new episode we’ll be asking you a question to answer there on Twitter, and we’ll read your questions or comments on the show. And don’t forget to vote for us once a month at Podcast Alley. And, for more details about Azkatraz 2009, go to HP2009.org, and we hope to see you there.


Show Close


Micah: Yup. One quick thing?

Andrew: What?

Micah: I just wanted to say thanks again for the Podcast Awards. We accepted the award last week…

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Micah: …at the Virtual 2008 Podcast Awards. It was all done online, so thanks again to everybody for voting for us for Best Entertainment.

Andrew: And if you want to see Micah virtually accept the award, you can go to PodcastAwards.com and go to videos there. You have to fast forward a bit. I don’t even think you can fast forward, but Micah does talk pretty – what? Like first maybe fifteen minutes in or so?

Micah: Yeah, we were pretty early on.

Andrew: Yeah, so just watch it. Micah, you did a great job.

Micah: Yeah, I might have referred to our fans as cultish, but that came from the host himself first.

Andrew: [laughs] That came from him, yeah. He was like, “You guys have a big following, don’t you?” So – but it was good, you did a great job, and pictures from our live events played and all that, so it was very cool. So thank you, everyone, for voting for us, we really do appreciate that.

Micah: Cool.

Andrew: All right, let’s wrap it up. I’m Andrew Sims. [laughs] I forgot my name.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Penny: I’m Penny Gershman.

Mikey: And I’m Mikey B.

Andrew: We’ll see everyone next week for Episode 167, our year-in-review. Buh-bye!

Mikey: Bye!

Laura: Buh-bye.

Micah: Bye.

Mikey: Bye! Bye! Bye! What a world, what a world!

[Show music ends]


Blooper 1


Mikey: I’m Mikey B! [laughs]

Andrew: Laura…

Laura: Oh wait, wait, I thought someone else…

Micah: Stop, you know, freaking out over your inauguration tickets…

Laura: …was here. I thought someone had more seniority.

Micah: …and pay attention to the show.

Mikey: I know, Laura, seriously!

Laura: Okay, leave me alone, leave me alone, leave me alone. Okay, okay.


Blooper 2


[Andrew hums circus music]

Laura: Got a copy on here.

Andrew:Tale of the Three Brothers.” Typing it into my PDF search.

Laura: Now Andrew, I hope you typed that up yourself.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: [imitating Jamie] I hope you typed that up yourself, Laura!

Laura: [laughs] Oh Jamie.

Transcript #165

MuggleCast 165 Transcript


Show Intro


[Intro music begins]

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[Show music begins playing]

Andrew: All right, welcome to our Beedle the Bard discussion. We just all finished reading the book – a little late compared to how quickly we did our Book 7 discussion. Do you remember that, Jamie?

Jamie: Oh, I remember that.

Andrew: When we were in London, once we finished – yeah, we all gathered…

Jamie: We got more listeners when we weren’t there than when we were.

Andrew: Right. [laughs] Yeah.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: That was a success, wasn’t it?

Andrew: Yeah, that was a lot of fun. So now we’re here, we’re all finished reading Beedle the Bard. Jamie, Matt and I are here in London and Micah and Laura are here via Skype. Hi, guys. And girls.

Laura: Hey.

Micah: Hey.

Andrew: So let’s go around – well, first we’re going to talk about the news of the week. And there’s been so much Beedle the Bard news going around. Micah, do you want to take us through that?


News: Original Copy of Beedle the Bard Unveiled


Micah: Sure. The first piece of news that really kicked off the week was, there was an unveiling of an original copy of Beedle the Bard at the New York Public Library. And I think there was another one at the National Library of Scotland but we’ll leave that alone because I didn’t go there.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: I went to the one in New York City, and it was a cool event. They had Arthur Levine there from Scholastic as well as the president of the New York City Public Library. And they did a short press event and then unveiled the copy of Beedle the Bard that belonged to Arthur Levine. And…

Andrew: Ooh.

Micah: …we got to go and take pictures and ask them questions, and it was a neat little event. But…

Jamie: He sounds like a fangirl.

Micah: What’s that?

Andrew: Are you a fangirl?

Jamie: You a fangirl, Micah?

Micah: Of the original copy of Beedle the Bard?

Jamie: Arthur Levine.

Micah: [laughs] No.

[Matt laughs]


Tangent: Micah Obtains Faulty Harry Potter
Poster


Andrew: Micah, I know you have this in the announcements, but do you want to tell your background poster story real quick? You might as well tell…

Micah: Okay.

Andrew: …it here, since you were there.

Micah: Sure. I was taking a picture…

Andrew: Wait, hold on. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. And I’ll explain the – my part.

Micah: Well, I can explain your part, too, it’s…

Andrew: All right, all right, go ahead.

Micah: …part of the story. [laughs] I took a bunch of pictures of the glass case that this book was in. And behind the book – if you look at some of the pictures that are on MuggleNet – you can see that there’s this poster in the background of the case. And it details what Beedle the Bard is and it also lists all the other books in the Harry Potter series. But if you notice – and as Andrew pointed out when I showed him the picture – that the books are not in sequence. So I think it’s Order of the Phoenix actually is the second book in order. And so what happened was…

Andrew: Wait, hold on. The order went: Sorcerer’s Stone, Order of the Phoenix, Chamber of Secrets, Prisoner of Azkaban, Goblet of Fire, Half-Blood Prince then Deathly Hallows. Which was weird. And I pointed that out to you. I was like, “Why is it out of order on that poster?” So, go ahead.

Micah: Right. So I said, well, Scholastic should know about this if they don’t already. So I e-mailed one of the people over there and she responded to me and she said, “Yeah, you know, we knew about this, but we weren’t able to fix it and get a reprinted version by the time we did the unveiling, but we’ll fix it for when it actually goes on display at the New York Public Library.”

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: Wait, wait, so what are they doing with the one that’s messed up?

Micah: Well, she said, “Since you were the first one to point it out, give me your address and I’ll send you the poster.”

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Jamie: No way!

Micah: Yup.

Jamie: eBay it.

Laura: That’s cool.

Jamie: Wait, what’s your…

Micah: I think she just wanted my address.

[Jamie laughs]

Andrew: Hey! Hey, now. So that’s pretty funny. You should have J.K. Rowling sign it and she’ll be like, “How the hell did you get that?”

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Well, that’s pretty cool…

Micah: Stole it!

Andrew: …because it was sitting there right in front of the book and sitting there in the library right now. So that’s cool.

Micah: Yeah, it’s a cool story.

Jamie: Where are you going to put it?

Micah: Where am I going to put it?

Jamie: Yeah, the poster. Where you going to keep it? Are you going to put it in your bedroom, on your ceiling, so like…

Micah: [laughs] Yes, yes. Stare up at it every night.

Jamie: Yeah, just before you go to sleep.

[Micah laughs]

Jamie: Along with all your pictures of Arthur Levine.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Andrew: And then what else is going on, Micah?

Micah: I don’t know. What else is going on?

Andrew: Well, Chrissy’s report from…

Micah: How’s London?


News: J.K. Rowling’s Tea Party


Andrew: London’s great. Chrissy’s report from the J.K. Rowling tea party. Do you want to talk about that?

Micah: Yeah, she’s a staff member of ours. She got a chance to go over to the tea party and kind of – speaking of fangirls – act like one and stand outside.

Andrew: Take pictures.

Micah: Take pictures. She seemed to really enjoy herself and was able to report for us that there were a couple of actors and actresses that were at this party as well.

Andrew: Yeah, Evanna Lynch. Who else? A couple other people. A couple other Harry Potter actors.

Micah: Yep, Matthew Lewis.

Andrew: Yeah. And one MuggleNet visitor actually just sent in a report from inside the tea party, because they won an essay contest. She said it was really fun and all of the kids were really excited to see Jo and all that. So…

Micah: No, I saw a picture of some of those kids. They did not look like they were in elementary school. I think they were lying.

Andrew: Well, kids look older here, Jamie, don’t they? They age differently.

Jamie: I think they do.

Matt: Yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: It’s the water.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: No, no, it’s the tea.

Matt: Oh.

Micah: Oh, that’s what it is.

Andrew: The tea.

Jamie: It’s the British tea.

Matt: It’s the English form of eating breakfast.

Andrew: And what else has been going on, Micah?

Micah: Well, you guys were – still are in London. How’d the show go earlier this week?


News: Live Show Was a Success


Andrew: That’s right. Our show was a lot of fun. It was at the Waterstones Piccadilly Circus. We had, what, well over 300 people there, right?

Jamie: Yeah.

Matt: Oh yeah, like maybe six or seven hundred.

Jamie: Six thousand, maybe.

Andrew: A million people. [laughs] It was a lot of fun, and thank you to everyone who came out and said hello. We hung out with a lot of the people afterwards, and that was a lot of fun. And everyone got the book…

Jamie: Maybe we should just apologize to Josh Boulton’s parents about that.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Andrew: There’s a rumor going around that I insulted a kid by the name of Josh Boulton who we interact with on Facebook a lot, but I actually did not – I wasn’t talk about him, for the millionth time. I was talking about someone else who was there.

Matt: Sorry, Josh.

Jamie: Sorry, Josh…

Andrew: Okay.

Jamie: …on behalf of Andrew.

Andrew: Whatever. And then one last thing, Micah?


News: RDR Withdraws Appeal


Micah: Yeah. Back on Thursday, RDR Books coincidentally withdrew their appeal for the publication of a companion book by Steve Vander Ark. And it’s just interesting that they did it on December the 4th, the same day that Beedle the Bard came out.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: That’s a good coincidence.

Micah: Yeah.

Jamie: I’m sure it won’t give them good press because everyone will be thinking about Beedle the Bard and not about Steve Vander Ark’s book.

Andrew: Yeah, but I guess they figure the fan sites will post it, and while everyone is on the fan sites…

Jamie: That’s true.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: It’s lame.

Micah: But he’s still making a book. It’s still going to be published. It’s just going to have the title of an unauthorized version of…

Andrew: Harry Potter and Beyond or something like that.

Micah: Something like that.

Jamie: Why doesn’t he just give it up?

Andrew: [laughs] Why doesn’t he just give it up?

Micah: Yeah.

Jamie: Move onto Twilight.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Matt: Get on the bandwagon, please.

Andrew: Okay. Was that it, Micah, for news?

Micah: That’s all I’ve got, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, that RDR thing kind of annoys me, and I didn’t post it the day it came out because obviously that’s what they wanted.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: I waited until the next day, but still.


Announcement: MuggleCast Wins at 2008 Podcast Awards


Andrew: Announcements! MuggleCast won at the 2008 Podcast Awards in the Entertainment category. Didn’t we talk about that already?

Micah: You may have talked about it on your live show.

Andrew: Oh, no we didn’t.

Matt: No we didn’t. We haven’t talked about it.

Andrew: Okay, well, thank you, everyone, who voted for us in the 2008 Podcast Awards. That ceremony is actually a couple of hours from now. I don’t think the show will be out before that, but Micah will be representing us. Thank you, Micah.

Jamie: No way, really?

Andrew: Well, it’s live online. It’s not in person.

Jamie: So unlike last year?

Andrew: Right. Right, right.

Jamie: Why aren’t they doing it live?

Andrew: I don’t know. Money?

Jamie: They can’t afford it?

Andrew: I guess so!

[Matt laughs]

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: It’s the economy.

Micah: The economy sucks.

Jamie and Matt: Yeah.


Announcement: MuggleCast at Azkatraz


Andrew: We have to use streaming. But that’ll be fun. And then also don’t forget that MuggleCast will be at Azkatraz 2009, July 18 – 21, I think. Something like that. We’re going to be doing a podcast after the midnight release of Half-Blood Prince. So at like 3:00 AM we’re going to be…

Matt: It’s going to be good.

Andrew: We’re going to be doing a podcast discussing the movie. Everyone’s going to be really excited because it just came out.

Matt: Are going to try and go, Jamie?

Jamie: Yeah, definitely. Well, yeah, hopefully.

Andrew: Hopefully the economy will be better.


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Announcement: Podcast Alley


Andrew: And finally, don’t forget to vote for us on Podcast Alley. It’s MuggleCast Mecember, so don’t forget to vote.

Matt: So we won for the 2008 Podcast Awards. So we can say it was MuggleCast 2000-mate?

Andrew: Sure.

Jamie: [unintelligible] as well.

Andrew and Matt: Yeah, mate.

Matt: And then next year will be 2000-mine.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Everyone laughs]


Main Discussion: Beedle the Bard


Andrew: So let’s move on to our main discussion this week. We’re going to be talking all about Beedle the Bard, as I said earlier. We all finished reading it, and let’s start off with our general thoughts about the book. Laura, how about you first? What – you just finished reading this, I think. What did you think of it?

Laura: You know, I was really surprised by how much I enjoyed it. I kind of expected to just get it and think, “Oh, that’s nice. Fairytales.” But I really enjoyed Dumbledore’s commentaries because he has a very – and Micah and I talked about this – warped sense of humor.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Especially when he talked about Aberforth…

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: …and his favorite story that his mom used to tell him.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: And there were just like a lot of really cool little things. Like when you open the book and it says, “Translated from the ancient Runes by Hermione Granger.”

Jamie: Yeah…

Andrew: That was really cool.

Laura: Just nice little tidbits like that. I really enjoyed it.

Jamie: Wasn’t he kind of arrogant though, Dumbledore? Like when…

Laura: He was!

[Micah laughs]

Jamie: That bit about the greatest wizards and then in the footnote it explained something about who are the important wizards, and it just says something like, “Like me.”

Andrew: “Like me,” yeah.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: It was in there twice.

Jamie: Really?

Andrew: There was a, “Such as myself” thing.

Laura: Yeah, I was like – okay.

Andrew: [laughs] That was so funny. Well, Dumbledore kind of is a little cocky that way, don’t you think?

Jamie: He is.

Andrew: Don’t you think, sometimes? He’s trying to be clever.

Jamie: I guess, like – she did it on purpose, because he’s a flawed character and now all his flaws are coming out more so, you know…

Matt: Well, everyone talks about how he’s the greatest wizard of all time. And I think he’s just nodding to that fact.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: “Well, since everyone says so, I mean, that’s me.”

Jamie: Yeah, that’s true.

Andrew: Yeah, Micah, did you get excited at that goat thing?

Micah: [laughs] No, no, no. [laughs]

Jamie: He’s too into Arthur Levine now.

[Micah Laughs]

Jamie: No he’s not.

Matt: He loves Levines.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Goats. No, I just – I agree with Laura. I mean, we talked about it earlier – just his perverted sense of humor – I wouldn’t even call it warped – I would call it perverted, with some of the little stories that he references throughout the course of the book, which I’m sure we’ll talk about – but I liked it. You know, I spent more time on the commentary than I did on the actually stories. You know, I agree with what Laura said. I thought it was going to kind of be one of those books that you just get and you’re like, “Oh, it’s nice to have.”

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: And just spend a couple minutes looking through it. But the commentary definitely made it, for sure.

Andrew: Yeah. I really, really enjoyed it, too. I just thought the stories were so nice. And I read this on our way to Oxford the day after – or the day it came out. And it was just so relaxing, you know, sitting there traveling through the suburbs of London and reading this book. And it was – yeah – it was really fun. Dumbledore’s
notes really made it, but I also really, really, really enjoyed the tales too.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: More than I thought I would.

Jamie: I was expecting it to just be a collection of normal fairytales mixed with a bit of magic. I wrote a review – this journalist e-mailed me and asked me to write a review – I got it to him a bit late, but anyway, I said that I was expecting it to be like Snow White hunched over a cauldron with a wand and stuff, but it wasn’t. It was really original and really, really fun. And I thought they taught moral tales and stuff – moral lessons which fairytales should do, really. Because that’s the definition of fairytale, you know. So I think quite a bit of thought went into this book; it wasn’t just written last minute to get it out for charity and stuff. I actually really enjoyed it. I think it stands alone away from Harry Potter, although obviously all the references to the books – and the “Translated by Hermione Granger” and Dumbledore’s storyline adds to it for the hardcore fans. I thought it was awesome.

Matt: I really love the book, actually, a lot. I think – the only opinion I probably have which is kind of a selfish opinion is that I kind of wanted more stories from it because they were so good.

Andrew: I just wanted more!

Matt: I just wanted more! There were only five. At some point I looked at how far I was in the book and I kind of got upset because I read more than half in fifteen – half an hour.

Jamie: Read it twice then, Matt, then you’ll have ten tales.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: Yeah, or read it backwards and you get it in, what, Finnish?

Jamie: That’s amazing!

Matt: I really love the drawings J.K. Rowling drew in the pictures, too. It was just really nice to see some of the pictures and things that went on it. Unlike Harry Potter where the drawings were at the beginning of the chapter for the U.S. version. But during the readings you got to see a little bit of what J.K. Rowling thought, because it’s her drawings, so it’s like what she envisioned the story was and things. So I thought it was really nice.

Jamie: She can draw pretty well.

Andrew: Yeah. I was impressed.

Jamie: It’s not bad at all.

Andrew: All right. Let’s move on to the main discussion. Micah, would you like to guide us through this please? Since you developed it ever so wisely.


Beedle the Bard Himself


Micah: Sure. Yeah. Well, the book opens up and you kind of get a little bit of a background on who Beedle the Bard was, even though it’s pretty brief. That he lived in the 15th century and much of his life remains shrouded in mystery. So I think that just kind of set the tone for the book. You don’t know a whole lot about this person, which is kind of J.K. Rowling style, I feel like. He was born in Yorkshire and had an exceptionally luxuriant beard. That kind of reminded me of Dumbledore a little bit.

Andrew: Yeah. Definitely.

Micah: So does the comment after that.

Matt: Yeah, sorry. That was me.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Andrew: I kind of thought it was interesting how J.K. Rowling compares the “Fountain of Fair Fortune” – she says:

“The tales are as familiar to many of the students at Hogwarts as ‘Cinderella’ and ‘Sleeping Beauty’ are to Muggle nonnmagical children.”

And I was thinking, well, do those tales get developed in the movie too? Since Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty turned into profitable Disney films?

Matt: Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty in the Muggle world has been retold a million times. We know that the Beedle the Bard books have been redone at least once or twice.

Jamie: This is going to get picked up by Pixar or Disney.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Andrew: Yeah. That’s what I’m saying.


Dumbledore’s Commentary and Footnotes


Micah: What did you guys think of, and I know we talked about this a little bit already, but Dumbledore’s commentary as a whole? And not only that, but how Rowling felt the need to comment on Dumbledore and what he wrote throughout the course of the book?

Andrew: I loved his commentary. Some of you guys were saying that it really made the book, and it was really fun to read, and I think it was a great way to get sort of a goodbye to Dumbledore, in a way, and I want to talk about this later on when we’re talking about his final notes, because I thought there was a lot of meaningful things in those final notes. Yeah, they just added so much, and you get a lot of respect for Dumbledore, and it made the book really fun and enjoyable all around.

Matt: I really liked the footnotes too, when he did the notes. The little things where he went down to see the definitions of what this or that meant.

Andrew: Yeah. They were funny.

Matt: I had no idea that Dumbledore’s notes would be so profound in this book. There’s a lot of it.

Jamie: And they can stand alone. It’s like literally criticism. He’s a good writer. Well, she’s a good writer, I should say. It actually reads like most of her books and stuff. But then I think she just feels the need to explain, because that’s Dumbledore’s character. He assumes people know that there are stands and experience level, and he doesn’t think his readers to be complete beginners and so he’ll assume a level of knowledge. So she explains stuff, I guess, and also tries to write something witty, I guess. If your a Muggle, she might have to explain some things.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: I was just kind of thinking, wasn’t there one point in the introduction where Jo stated that Dumbledore always sort of has a habit of writing a little less than what he knows? And I was just wondering if you guys picked up on anything that you felt like he wasn’t giving you all the facts?

Andrew: Oh. Well, yeah, didn’t Jo say that specifically about the tales of – “The Three Brothers.”

Laura: “The Three Brothers?”

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, and I’m remembering there was something in there where I read it that I was like, oh, this is what she was talking about, but now I can’t remember what it was.

Andrew: Really? I mean, Dumbledore, I’m going to [unintelligible] right now – I mean, he’s really – he talks about the three important items: the Invisibility Cloak, the Elder Wand, and the Stone.

Matt: When he talks about the Elder Wand it seems like – yeah, you’re right, Laura, he does kind of hold back some of the information. Like you think he’s going to go somewhere with it and he just doesn’t really deliver on it.

Laura: Mhm.

Jamie: Like, thinking about this book being a success or not, I just thought of something: since it is so important to Book 7, if she had messed up this book, the whole of Book 7 could’ve not made as much sense, would not have been as powerful. If this book read badly, then you’d think, well, basing an entire book on the Deathly Hallows and stuff, Dumbledore’s excuse is a bit…

Andrew: Is lame, yeah.

Jamie: …lame, yeah. So she actually had quite a – she undermined her entire Harry Potter series by turning this book into something that people don’t really like.


Tale-by-Tale: “The Wizard and the Hopping Pot”


Andrew: That’s true, yeah. That’s really true. So let’s go through the story now. We’ll go book-by-book – or tale-by-tale.

Matt: Or story-by-story. Whatever.

Andrew: [laughs] And the first story was “The Wizard and the Hopping Pot.” And this one really brought out Jo’s cleverness, I thought, because there’s a pot that hops, for crying out loud! And what’s a brief summary of the story? I mean, basically, this hopping pot is going around making ruckus until a wizard actually starts helping the townspeople, right?

Jamie: Yeah, like his father used to do.

Matt: It’s the son of this wizard who helps the Muggle village with all of their problems…

Andrew: Until he died.

Matt: …until – yeah, until he died. And then the son, who was given the pot – or the cauldron – was – I guess didn’t appreciate his father as much and didn’t like the cause that he did. And he was just a very bitter person and just refused to do anything. So every time one of the Muggle villagers came up and asked for him to solve their problem for them, he denied it. And every time he denied it, it would just come back to him in the pot.

Andrew: Right.

Jamie: Kind of like the curses of the…

Matt: Yeah.

Jamie: Like a plague of locusts and stuff.

Matt: Mhm.

Jamie: And warts in a cauldron.

Matt: Yeah, and it would follow him, too, everywhere he went.

Micah: Yeah. That had to be a disgusting pot to follow you around. With all that disgusting stuff coming out of it.

Andrew: Yeah. It looks kind of gross.

Jamie: When he’s sleeping, as well. Like…

[Micah laughs]

Matt: It’s like bad milk and cheese and slugs coming out of it.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: Eh.

Andrew: And sour milk.

Matt: Same thing.

Andrew: Oh, yeah. [laughs] Yeah. So, it was a pretty good story. I think it was a good one to start it off. But let’s talk about Dumbledore’s notes, because they were pretty interesting, right, Micah?

Micah: Yeah. With the wizard going around and eventually helping out all the Muggles in the village, Dumbledore made a note that this particular Beedle tale was somewhat out of step with its time, because of the chance of persecution. You know, if you revealed yourself to be a wizard or a witch, you’d often end up being killed…

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: …or – and I thought that was kind of interesting to hear him comment on this story, just because we learned in Deathly Hallows kind of his mentality early on in his life was to sort of have this dominant – you know, him and Grindewald were sort of – I don’t know what the right word is, but they had this practice where they were thinking about dominating the Muggle world, and that wizards were the best and that sort of thing.

Andrew: Yeah. Well I mean, aren’t fairy tales supposed to – are they supposed to be in step with their time, so to speak? I mean, you know, the whole not being persecuted for being a wizard, you know – I can’t really think of an example where a fairytale was supposed to abide by all the laws that were going on in that current time.

Matt: Well was Grimm’s – were the Grimm Brothers’ during their time when they wrote the fairytales?

Andrew: I don’t know. I’ve never read any of them. Have you, Jamie?

Jamie: I haven’t read the original book, no.

Matt: I think it was even – no, I don’t think it was their time, either, when they wrote it. So it was close to – what? Like the Middle Ages when they wrote them?

Jamie: I think so, yeah, the originals. But they’ve been translated so many times, I bet they bear no resemblance to what we read today and stuff. You know how it is.

Matt: Yeah. But everything is a little more lighter than the original version. So it was probably watered down…

Jamie: Right.

Matt: …and Disneyfied.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Disneyfied.

[Matt and Micah laugh]

Andrew: We’ve also got the Nearly Headless Nick connection.

Micah: Yeah. We learn a little bit of a back story.

Andrew: Mhm.

Jamie: It’s quite political, this stuff, really, as well. Like, you know, it’s just – she just wants to give a history of the world, like in a wizarding sense. You know what I mean? Like, she wants to teach people a lesson and show how well you should accept everyone and stuff. It’s just really marvelous, this book. Really, really marvelous.

Matt: Mhm.

Jamie: I think she’s going to run for like Prime Minister of something.

[Andrew, Micah, and Laura laugh]

Micah: I don’t think she has a chance…

Jamie: No I don’t think she does…

Micah: …do you?

Matt: No, she’s too young.

Micah: Nobody would vote her.

Laura: She’ll write her autobiography.

Andrew: That’s sort of like Oprah running for president.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: I mean like, she has the popularity vote, but some people would be skeptical, sort of. What else, Micah?

Micah: Well, we also learn that there’s a revised version of this story that’s extremely anti-Muggle and promoted by the likes of a Malfoy and there’s no surprise there. I don’t think that an anti-Muggle version of the story wouldn’t be promoted by someone in that family.

Andrew and Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Is this the one-this is not the one with the Lu-that’s the next story. Never mind. The Lucius Malfoy connection that Dumbledore makes I thought was really interesting too.

Micah: Yeah, that was pretty funny.

Laura: Oh, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Andrew: We’ll talk about that later, but…

Micah: And I think Jamie mentioned – or was it you, Andrew, earlier? About how Dumbledore starts referring to himself as a brilliant wizard.

Andrew: Yeah. “Such as myself.” He says that…

Micah: A little arrogant…

Matt: Ho ho.

Andrew: Yeah. He’s says that here, and then he says it in another story.

Jamie: He really is so arrogant.

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, it is.

Laura: Although, I guess it…

Micah: I thought it was funny.

Laura: It’s pointed out that at least in the context of the book, these were his private notes…

Jamie: Yeah, yeah.

Andrew: Oh, that’s true.

Laura: …he’d been taking, so he probably didn’t know. [laughs]

Andrew: Doesn’t it seem a bit cockier, though, when he’s writing about himself to himself?

Laura: [laughs] To himself, yeah.

Jamie: Like he has to remind himself that he’s amazing.

Matt: “Such as myself.” You attracting young man.

Jamie: I think – like, I think with him – I don’t think he’s arrogant, he just – he just tries to do emotion out of stuff, because power and emotion has messed him up in the past. So he just…

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: I think he just keeps the fact, like, he thinks he’s a pretty good wizard and everyone else does. It’s just like in Book 7, rather than trying to be modest about it, yeah.

Micah: Yeah. There’s a couple times during the series too, though, where he’llrefer to himself as being – you know – overly brilliant.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah. Wasn’t Sorcerer’s Stone when he said, like, “That was one of my more brilliant ideas…”

Jamie: Yeah, yeah.

Matt: “…and that’s saying something.”

Jamie: And then was it Deathly Hallows when they’re when he picks Harry up, no, sorry, Half-Blood Prince, and they’re walking along, and he says to him, “Harry, I don’t think you’ll be attacked tonight.” And Harry’s like, “Why?” And he’s like, “You’re with me.”

Andrew: Oh, right.

Jamie: You know.

Andrew: It’s sort of like a bittersweet moment.

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: We got introduced to a character that comes up a couple of times throughout this book: Beatrix Bloxam. And she’s kind of the anti version of fairy tales, it seems like. And she tries to recreate them so that they’re these pure stories that don’t have any sort of real-world application to them. And…

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: …what it reminded me of, and I actually had this in the notes that I took but somebody sent in an e-mail, was I thought Rowling was going directly at Laura Mallory when she created this character.

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Because of the way that she’s described and the…


JKR Takes Shot at Laura Mallory


Andrew: Weird, yeah, let’s read the e-mail, it’s from Steven. It says:

“I finished reading Beedle the Bard yesterday and I thought it was great. J.K. Rowling did an excellent job as always. I was wondering if any of you thought, like I did, when reading Dumbledore’s notes on “The Wizard and the Hopping Pot,” that JKR was poking fun at Laura Mallory. I am speaking specifically about page seventeen in the UK version which reads, well, you know, we know what it says. When I read this I almost thought it was like an inside joke. While it would still be funny to the casual reader, to those of us who found all things Potter would have something extra to laugh at. The icing on the cake is that our favorite Idiot of the Year would never know that JKR was making fun of her because she will probably never read the book.”

Jamie: Hmm.

Andrew: Laura, given that you live in the same state as Laura Mallory, what do you think?

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Do you think there’s a connection?

Laura: Um, well, I mean – yeah, I don’t it’s a specific connection because also when I read this I thought of Umbridge.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh, yeah!

Laura: And how she was constantly trying to sort of change what everybody was thinking and protect – so-called protect the minds young wizards. I think it’s just meant more to sort of poke fun at people who are pro-censorship and…

Matt: Yeah!

Laura: …want to alter certain things. So…

Micah: Like Laura Mallory.

Laura: Yes, like Laura Mallory, but I don’t think it’s specific. I mean – she could’ve been thinking of her.

Andrew: Do you think Laura Mallory would approve or disapprove of this book?

Laura: Oh, I think she would approve of the rewritten version…

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: …of “The Hopping Pot.”

[Micah laughs]

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: Maybe if she saw that…

Laura: I mean, it’s very…

Andrew: What?

Laura: I mean, it’s very – you know – like, if you listen to this: “And Wee Willykins huggled the hoppitty pot.” Like, ew. I think she’d love it.

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: It’s insulting to children as well – like, it treats them bad. It’s really patronizing, the revised story.

Matt: Yeah.

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The Fountain of Fair Fortune


Andrew: And then next is “The Fountain of Fair Fortune,” where there’s the three witches and the knight. I think it was, the knight, right?

Matt: Yeah, there was the three witches and the knight.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: And they have a journey to this fountain whoever bathes in it will have fortune for the rest of their life.

Matt: Yeah, good fortune for their entire life.

Andrew: Mhm. And this seems to be one of the general favorites of the book, correct, guys?

Matt: Yeah. It was my favorite.

Micah: Yeah, Jamie, do you know whose favorite it was, actually?

Jamie: Who, Arthur Levine’s?

Andrew: Yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Jamie: Does that mean it’s your favorite too, Micah?

Micah: No, actually, it’s not my favorite, but…

Jamie: Ah.

Andrew: He read this one online – on Scholastic’s website, didn’t he? There’s a video of him reading this?

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: I’m pretty sure there was.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: And so, this was a good one.

Matt: Yeah, I really liked it…

Micah: Yeah.

Matt: It seemed more like a like more of a – more of a broader – almost like a bigger budget if it was a film kind of a story.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: It was more detailed.

Matt: It’s part of a journey.

Jamie: And it’s extremely moraled as well – like it was…

Matt: Yeah.

Jamie: …she’s obviously trying to show – you know – that the journey’s more important, as Dumbledore says in – no sorry, as Jo says in the beginning, that the journey’s more important than the…

Matt: Mhm. Just so much involved in the story, too.

Jamie: Yeah.

Matt: Well, in the story this garden opens on summer solstice when the day is the longest and on this day the garden picks one person with a lot of problems in their life and they are allowed to bathe in the Fountain and all their troubles would go away. This story in particular, three witches who caught pity on each other band together and became, like, a little team. If one of them was chosen they would all three go in and help each other. So on that day one of the witches was picked and they all grabbed on to each other and the last witch that was grabbed on was actually entangled in a knight’s armor and he was dragged into it too. But my question that I found kind of interesting was that the creepers, quote-unquote, which are kind of these little vines that grow up buildings and things caught the first witch and did that mean that the garden only wanted than one witch or was the garden aware of the truce between all the witches?

Andrew: I don’t know.

Matt: Because we know at the end of the story that the Fountain really had no
fortune at all.

Jamie: To be fair, like, fair fortune is really just chance, so it could just have come out, and they just managed to catch on to it.

Matt: Right. But what I mean was the Fountain had no special ability actually at all.

Jamie: Yeah, yeah, it was just, like, a water cooler.

Matt: No enchantment.

Matt: Drinking fountain.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: It was kind of disappointing, though. Why didn’t it actually have Fair Fortune? Because – I mean, these are fairy tales. It could easily have something like that. So why not?

Laura: Well…

Matt: Well, I think it’s the moral of the story…

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: …that you have the power to solve your own problems.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: Okay.

Matt: This question I kind of thought was interesting when I was reading it, but didn’t you think that this story had a good connection to Goblet of Fire in the Maze? Like, because of all the things you had to pass though?

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: Mhm.

Matt: In order to get to – you know, the trophy, the thing that you’re looking for.

Andrew and Laura: Yeah.

Matt: So I kind of thought that this was the story that would probably be a good object to do in the Triwizard Tournament.

Jamie: And that’s a very interesting point, yeah. Especially since the Tale of the Three Brothers was so heavy in Book 7. Because Jo just likes to add stuff in that some people won’t, there’s so many layers. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was that.

Matt: And also there’s four champions in the Goblet of Fire, and the last one wasn’t even supposed to be part of the journey.

Laura: Oh, yeah!

Jamie: Oh, Matt!

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: Yeah.

Jamie: Oh, God!

Andrew: You’re brilliant.

Jamie: Should we take a moment of silence?

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: Well, not to mention it’s sort of the same but, like, opposite. Like in this story it’s three witches and a wizard but then in Goblet of Fire it’s three wizards and a witch that are in the Maze.

Andrew and Matt: Oh, yeah!

Matt: But the knight’s not even – he’s a Muggle. The knight’s a Muggle.

Laura: Oh, he is a knight.

Matt: Yeah.

Laura: That’s interesting.

Andrew: Matt sort of brought up a good point. In this story, I don’t think if anyone heard it, the knight is the odd one out and he wins, and in Goblet of Fire Harry is the odd one out and he won.

Laura: And he wins, yeah.

Jamie: It’s also about cooperation as well, like magical and non-magical cooperation – you know, and that people can work together.

Matt: And he was the humblest of the four, too.

Jamie: Yeah.

Matt: He’s the one that gave up and let the witches win.

Andrew and Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: All right, moving along.

Matt: We don’t even have to say the third one, because we kind of already talked about it.

Micah: Okay.

Andrew: Micah?

Micah: Well, I was looking at the sketch of the Fountain which is on page 34 in the U.S. edition of it. What I thought was interesting was that it has the Deathly Hallows symbol on the lowest bowl if you look at it. I don’t know what page it is in the U.K.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Oh, yeah.

Micah: And it also looks like the main base that’s holding it together is a snake with some sort of wings on it.

Matt: I think it might be a dragon.

Laura: It looks like a dragon.

Andrew and Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: I noticed the symbol too, what does that mean? Could that mean anything, though? I didn’t realize what was going on with that.

Micah: I don’t know.

Jamie: What are the other two symbols?

Matt: It’s an eye.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: One of them is a rune, but I don’t know what it means.

Jamie: I think it’s a Freemason conspiracy.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: And then there’s that number four on the third level.

Jamie: Dan Brown’s…

Matt: I know. I’m like, “Is this the Da Vinci Code?”

Matt: Wow, yeah. I guess this is a bunch of symbols that she just uses.

Jamie: What, this is just a bigger…

Matt: Yeah, this is just the key to some bigger thing that nobody knows about.

Andrew: Maybe if we decode this it’s like “Harry Potter Book 8 2010.”

Laura: Exactly.

Matt and Jamie: Yeah.

[Laura laughs]

Laura: If we decode it, she’ll write Book 8.

Andrew: [laughs] Right.

Jamie: If those two teamed up, Dan Brown and J.K. Rowling!

Andrew: Someone should start a rumor.

Matt and Andrew: Yeah.

Andrew: It would be kind of cool if there was a hidden puzzle on there. It’s like a little game in the book.

Jamie and

Matt:

Yeah.

Andrew: To figure out. It doesn’t even have to relate to the story. All right, what’s next?

Micah: Well, Dumbledore spent a lot of time in his notes on this story talking about the pantomime, and I guess that’s a British term because – Andrew, you said that this actually doesn’t show up in the UK edition…

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: …the footnote doesn’t show up in the UK edition, about what a pantomime is.

Andrew: Yeah. What does the footnote say? For those of us who have the UK books right now and can’t even see it?

Micah: Let me see.

Laura: I’m trying to find it.

Micah: Yeah, I have it.

Andrew: It starts off with, like, “UK Muggles may not be aware of…”

Laura: Oh! Yeah, it says: “Non-British Muggles may be unfamiliar with the British tradition of plays presented at Christmastime usually based on fairy tales and including music, comical characters, and audience participation (though not, generally, of the vigorous type described here).”

Andrew: That’s interesting.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: It’s probably like the one difference between the books.

Jamie: The two books, yeah.

Laura: But it’s just another example that, once again, Scholastic thinks Americans are stupid and can’t understand certain things. Like, apparently Americans don’t know what philosophers are. So…

Matt and Andrew: Yeah.

Andrew: That’s true.

Laura: So annoying.

[Micah laughs]

Jamie: Sorcerer’s Stone is weakening as well because, Sorcerer’s Stone, it’s just ridiculous.

Laura: It’s such a stupid title!

Andrew: To be honest, I didn’t know what a pantomime is.

Micah: Yeah, but I think you can figure it out, though.

Matt: I mean, yeah. If you really cared enough, you would go and find it.

Laura: It’s called a dictionary!

Matt: Yeah. Or a thesaurus.

Laura: We do have those here.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Or an Internet.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: Yeah, an Internet.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Well, I mean…

Matt: A World Wide Web.

[Jamie laughs]

Andrew: Plus, if you go through this book there’s plenty of other things you’ll see that you don’t know what they are.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: I mean, like, there’s no explanation of a charlatan which was the guy in “Cackling Stump.” But – you know, there’s no explanation of that.

Laura: Well…

[Jamie laughs]

Andrew: I didn’t know what it was! I’ll be honest, I hadn’t heard the word before!

Matt: What is it?

Andrew: It’s a person.

Jamie: No, it’s like a faker, isn’t it? A joker who just flaunts about.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Matt: Oh. Well why didn’t they just put that in the book – like, a sidenote saying, “For those of you who don’t know what a charlatan is…”

Andrew: “See W.B.’s The Dark Knight.”

Matt: Yeah.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: When’s the night always darkest?

Matt: The night’s always darkest before the dawn. And, the dawn is coming.

[Everyone laughs]

Jamie: That’s coming out on DVD.

[Everyone laughs]

Matt: Buy it on Blu-Ray and DVD.


Hogwarts Professors and Malfoy Mentioned


Andrew: And then we also heard about a couple new characters. First, Professor Herbert Beery of Herbology and Professor Silvanus Kettleburn of Care of Magical Creatures, that was kind of cool.

Matt: Yeah!

Jamie: I thought this was the only kind of, like, digression in this book. I thought it was kind of pointless to be honest.

Andrew: Yeah, it was. It felt like filler to me.

Jamie: Yeah, it did. It felt like filler.

Laura: I liked it.

Micah: I thought it was the first look into Hogwarts we got, really…

Jamie: That’s true, yeah, yeah.

Micah: …that we didn’t know much about.

Andrew: Yeah, but – I mean…

Laura: Don’t you guys…

Andrew: Go ahead.

Laura: I was going to say, don’t you remember from Prisoner of Azkaban when Hagrid was given the post of Care of Magical Creatures professor, and Dumbledore was sort of giving his speech, and he said that Professor Kettleburn had left to enjoy the time with his remaining limbs?

Jamie: Oh, yeah! That’s true, yeah.

Laura: So I thought this was kind of cool because it gave us background about that…

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Mhm. That is very true, yeah, that’s good.

Andrew: And, like I mentioned earlier, this is a story where Dumbledore explains why Malfoy originally started his – you know, the feud between the two.

Jamie and Matt: Yeah.

Micah: Yep.

Matt: I loved how he said that Mr. Malfoy kept writing back to him, and he just ignored him.

Andrew: Yeah, that was funny.

Laura: Yeah.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Matt: “I said what I’m saying and…”

Jamie: And his hygiene as well.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. That was really funny.

Jamie: His hygiene.

Micah: Yep.

Andrew: “Their relevance to this commentary is remote.”

[Micah and Andrew laugh]

Micah: It’s just all humor – I mean, if you look at it. Really, the whole pantomime thing, it’s pretty comical scene, and everything with Lucius, too. You know, he talks about how Lucius was trying to get him removed and he said, well, “I marked the beginning of me trying to get him removed as Voldemort’s Favorite Death Eater.”

Matt and Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: I just like to think he wrote this-tell me if I’m wrong – after he decided to die, because I think the paragraph that starts, “This exchange marked the beginning of Mr. Malfoy’s long campaign” and ends with, “And of mine to have him removed from his position as Lord Voldemort’s Favorite Death Eater” is not something that Dumbledore would write if, when he wasn’t sure of stuff and things that were going on, because that’s quite an accusation, even though most people know.

Matt: Well, he always knew that Malfoy was a big supporter of Malfoy.

Jamie: Yeah, Voldemort.

Matt: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jamie: Yeah, yeah.

Matt: That guy.

Jamie: That nasty man.

Andrew: But again, we also do have to remember that these are his personal notes.

Jamie: That’s such a weird concept, though. They’re written completely to be published, obviously.

Andrew: Right. So it sort of doesn’t make sense, in a way.

Jamie: Yeah.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: But I think that was just for…

Matt: Just enjoy it! I mean, it’s a book.

Andrew: Just go with it, don’t analyze it.

Jamie: It’s true.

Matt: Stop!

Micah: [laughs] All right, then we can stop recording right now.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Okay.

Jamie: After 170 episode, Andrew says, “Don’t analyze it!”

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: And – anything else in this story we should talk about?

Jamie: I think it’s pretty done.

Andrew: I think that was it, yeah. All right!

Matt: So, good read.


The Warlock’s Hairy Heart


Andrew: “The Warlock’s Hairy Heart.” This was a really clever one, I thought.

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: This is…

Andrew: Hmm?

Micah: No, I was going to say, this is where the tales really start to turn dark.

Everyone: Yeah.

Andrew: This was very brutal for something in a Harry Potter novel!

Jamie: Yeah.

Matt: Very tragic. It’s the most tragic of, I think, all the stories.

Jamie: It really is tragic, yeah, it is.

Andrew: And basically, a quick summary, the warlock has a hairy heart, he takes it out of himself, then he meets this chick who – I think she’s the one who’s like – “Put the heart back in, so you can feel true love.” Right? Something like that?

Laura: Right.

Matt: That was the best summary I’ve ever heard.

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Andrew: I’ve forgotten.

Laura: [impersonating Andrew] “And he met some chick, and she was like, ‘Dude, put your heart back in, man.'”

[Everyone laughs]

Matt: And if you think about it, the way we’ve just been describing it, it sounds like the summary of every single romantic comedy.

Jamie: Yeah, it’s true, yeah.

Matt: A guy doesn’t want to fall in love, so he takes his heart out, and it’s up to a woman to bring the heart back into him.

Jamie: And then they kiss.

Matt: And then they kiss and he cuts open her heart and his and then they die.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: Well, he eats it.

Matt: He eats the heart, yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: That’s always the end to it.

Matt: Yeah.

Jamie: Like Hannibal Lector.

Micah: I don’t even know how to go on.

Jamie: I thought this one was the best, honestly. She just said everything in, like, a few pages. The words she used as well, like she deliberately said, “warlock” and how she described him – you know, like he was up to the top of his place, that there was no way he could get anything more. I thought it was going to end in tragedy right from the beginning.

Matt: Mhm.

Micah: Right.

Matt: Well, he was totally heartless, in…

Jamie: Yeah.

Matt: …in literal and figurative sense…

Jamie: Yeah, that’s true.

Matt: …during the entire story. I didn’t really realize he used Dark Magic to take out his heart.

Laura: Yeah, and I sort of like the connection Dumbledore made between that and the Horcruxes.

Jamie: Yeah, that was really cool.

Andrew: Oh, yeah!

Matt: Yeah, that was nice. Well, do you think the connection has any connection to how the part actually disconnected itself from the body and became its own…

Jamie: Definitely, yeah.

Laura: Yeah. It sort of, yeah, and it took over.

Jamie: Also when the two figures of Ron and – sorry, of Harry and Hermione came out of the Horcrux and spoke to Ron. Like, you know, it took over and sort of fed on your worst nightmares and stuff.

Matt: Well, what would happen, though, if you took a Horcrux and you took the spirit back into your self?

Jamie: Could you do that?

Matt: I don’t know. Can you do that?

Andrew: I don’t think so.

Matt: Was that ever discussed?

Jamie: I don’t think that was discussed.

Andrew: So you can put a piece of soul back inside you?

Matt: Obviously you can split it, does that mean it’s permanently split, you
can’t take it back from you?

Andrew: I kind of remember reading that somewhere or discussing that.

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: Because wouldn’t something like this happen then? Or is it just not possible?

Jamie: Yeah, yeah, he says it’s impossible, it can only happen in fiction.

Andrew: Yeah. Well, not to mention the moral of this story was that if you take your heart out, I mean, this wasn’t the real moral, but you learn from the story that if you take your heart out and put it back, it’ll be too late. I mean, the heart is already…

Jamie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andrew: …has a mind of its own.

Jamie: It’s a warning. The other ones are kind of – like, lessons, but this is more of a warning.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: But it’s also from, like, Dark Magic, too…

Jamie: Yeah.

Matt: …that’s controlling the heart.

Micah: Right.

Jamie: It was a bit Pirates of the Caribbean.

[Micah laughs]

Laura: I know, I thought of that as well. I didn’t want to be the one to say it…

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: There’s a lot of footnote action going on in this story, too…

Matt: Oh, snap.

Andrew: …in Dumbledore’s notes.

Micah: Yeah. Well, the main thing he said, though, was that it speaks to the dark depths in all of us and that’s kind of why it survived…

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: …and was pretty much unchanged over the years. I mean, what do you guys think? Do you think stories like that, you know, that have these gory, evil, nasty, disgusting scenes in them generally survive? I mean, do we like them, we just don’t like to admit that we like them?

Jamie: It’s true, yeah.

Matt: Well, this is definitely one of those stories where they would definitely turn it into a cute, happy ending Disney film.

Jamie: Yeah.

[Micah laughs]

Matt: Because this reminds me of – like, The Little Mermaid. The little mermaid – like, sacrificed herself for the person that she loved and now it turned into – like, her father magically gave her legs, and she married the prince and they lived happily ever after.

Jamie: Right, hell yeah. He’s got unlimited ability to just grant people legs.

Matt: This is like one of those Middle Age, classic fairy tales that constantly get redone.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: It’s kind of like Toy Story where the toys go out on their own…

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: …like, Buzz goes out on his own and realizes he’s not a toy.

Matt: Kind of, but not. So, the footnotes?

Andrew: Go ahead.

Matt: I was going to talk about the pictures, but are we still on the footnotes?

Andrew: No.

Jamie: Gruesome!

Matt: I love this photo. I think it’s one of my favorite pictures in the entire book. It’s just so graphic.

Laura: The one where they’re both laying there dead?

Matt: They’re both laying there dead with their chests split open and…

Jamie: Oh, you love reading that, isn’t it? Touching to you.

Matt: Well, look, there’s a little hairy heart but the big heart, it looks like a rotisserie chicken!

[Everyone laughs]

Jamie: It does, it really does, yeah.

Andrew: It kind of looks like Snape or Sirius, doesn’t it?

Matt and Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: Like a young Snape or Sirius?

Laura: Yeah, it kind of does.

Jamie: It looks like an elf.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: Regulus.

Andrew: And the girl, she kind of…

Jamie: She doesn’t look like anything!

[Laura laughs]

Matt: She doesn’t look very well, does she?

Jamie: She looks like the girl from The Ring?

Micah: Yeah. She doesn’t look like she was described in the book. You know, you’re expecting…

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: Well, you know, someone had just cut her heart out. I don’t know how you look after someone does that to you.

Micah: Well, her face wouldn’t change.

Matt: She’s got a long neck, too.

Jamie: Yeah, she does.

Micah: Vampire.

Andrew: Jo’s still working on her sketches of women.

[Jamie laughs]

Matt: She drew the guy really nicely, though. I mean, you can see all the wrinkles and disfigurements on his face.

Andrew and Jamie: Yeah.

Jamie: Yeah, I can see.

Matt: He’s got jeans on.

Laura: The visuals in this story are, like, really disturbing.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, they are.

[Micah laughs]

Laura: Like, the whole part where it’s like, he was like, licking the heart.

Andrew, Jamie, and Matt: Yeah!

Matt: Yeah, that was gross.

Laura: [laughs] Isn’t that disgusting?

Micah: Yeah.


Hector Dagworth-Granger


Andrew: We have this interesting e-mail about “The Warlock’s Hairy Heart.” It says:

“Hi, Mugglecast! This is from Rachel H. I love the story but Dumbledore’s commentary left me a bit confused. On page 57 of the U.S. edition, Dumbledore leaves a footnote regarding the search for a true love potion. He says, “Hector Dagworth-Granger, founder of the Most Extraordinary Society of Potioneers, explains, ‘Powerful infatuations can be produced by the skillful potioneer, but never yet has anyone managed to create the truly unbreakable, eternal, unconditional attachment that alone can be called love.’ Rachel says: Okay, maybe I didn’t have to write all that, but my point it, Hermione’s a Muggleborn. Is Jo hinting she gets her magical talent from a wizard in her distant family? I doubt the Granger is just a coincidence.”

Jamie: This was solved in Book 6. Didn’t he ask if, like, if she was related to Dagworth-Granger?

Laura: Oh, yeah, he did.

Andrew: Oh!

Matt: That’s true, he did.

Andrew: Good memory, geez.

Jamie: And then Harry’s just like, “No, sir.” And she’s like, “Oh, did you really tell him I was the best witch in the year? Oh, Harry.”

Andrew: Good memory, Jamie.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Jeez, man.

Matt: How many times have you read the books?

Laura: And if for any reason the relation, like, was valid, earlier in Beedle the Bard when Dumbledore was talking about Squibs and Muggleborns in one of his little commentaries, he said something about how most of the time, Muggleborn witches and wizards do come about because of a magical relative further back in their family tree.

Matt: Mhm.

Micah and Jamie: Yeah.

Matt: It’s possible.

Micah: I mean, it’s a common last name.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: Yeah, but I still think it’s an interesting connection. Because especially the quote that Dumbledore uses.

Micah: Yeah, but that’s really impressive, Jamie, I don’t know how the hell you remembered that.

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: Thanks.

Matt: Well done.

Andrew: Micah, you want to do that last point there?


Dumbledore’s Humor and Lessons


Micah: Yeah, it’s just more of the humor of Dumbledore. And he goes back to talking about Beatrix Bloxam and how in her notes somewhere she wrote that she had overheard the story but that at the same time she had also overheard something about her Uncle Nobby, the local hag, and a sack of Bouncing Bulbs.

[Micah and Matt laugh]

Micah: So, you know, that’s Dumbledore’s way to lighten the mood on such a serious story. It seems like this is a story that you would try and overhear your parents telling to, maybe, your older siblings, because you’d always want to know about it. It seems like a story that maybe your older siblings would try to tell you to scare you or something like that.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: But…

Jamie: This is a – go on, sorry.

Micah: No, go ahead.

Jamie: No, I was just going to refer to Adalbert Waffling’s Fundamental Laws of Magic, which I thought was an awesome thing because – like, it brings magic down onto a non-magical level and says that it’s not like it can do anything which is – like, kind of a moral for the entire Harry Potter series. That, you know, like in Book 7
when the Prime Minister is talking to the Minister of Magic and, “You can do magic!” And the Minister’s like, “Yeah, but the other side can do it as well.” I just thought that was a really awesome touch. Just like, “Tamper with the deepest mysteries, the sources of life, the essence of self, only if prepared for consequences of, the most extreme and dangerous kind,” which is obviously Horcrux and Voldemort and everything like that.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Micah: Yeah.

Matt: There were a lot of books that were for two in the story, for Dumbledore’s notes.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Like Albert Wafling’s Fundamental Laws of Magic – what was the other
book that you mentioned?

Andrew: Fantastic Beasts.

Matt: Yeah, Fantastic Beasts, I guess.

Andrew: Is Jo doing like a little plug for her own book?

Micah: [laughs] Yeah, that’s what I thought.

Matt: You see, well this one I like the most. The self help book, The Hairy Heart: A Guide to Wizards Who Won’t Commit.

Jamie: Yeah.

[Andrew and Jamie laugh]

Matt: I would buy that.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: And the hairy snout human heart? [laughs]

Matt: Yeah. Well yeah, it’s… [laughs] ‘Hairy snout human heart,’ that was funny.

Micah: Yeah.

Jamie: Very good.

Micah: But – and the other funny piece that was in here was when he was talking about his Aunt Anoria calling off her engagement because her suitor had a hairy heart. And I think that was again, an attempt to explain to us exactly what a hairy heart was.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Kind of similar to the pantomime thing, I don’t know if it’s a more common expression in other places than others, but then Dumbledore adds in that he doesn’t believe that that was the reason the engagement was broke off. It was because she was – oh I’m sorry – because he was fondling some horclumps.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: And you know, this made me think that this book, though really while it’s supposed to be about a bunch of fairy tales, it really appeals to more of an adult audience, just with some of the things that are discussed.

Matt: Yeah. It’s very difficult to see why anyone would want to fondle a…

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Matt: Beause their just like these little mushroom like creatures.

Andrew: It’s true.

Matt: Like hamsters, yeah.

Micah: But don’t you think, though, I mean there’s a lot of insinuation going on…

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: With you know, her uncle and the local hag and a sack of bouncing bulbs, and then fondling some horclumps.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: There are other things throughout the course of this book that are just kind of perverted in a way.

Jamie: It’s true, yeah.

Andrew: Jo’s letting out now!

Micah: She is! [laughs]

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Harry Potter‘s over. I mean, she doesn’t have to – you know?

Matt: She could do whatever she wants.

Andrew: She could write all these gruesome scenes and call people – what were those insults in the beginning?

Laura: Scum suckers?

Andrew: Scum suckers!

Jamie: There we go. Yeah.

[Laura laughs]

Matt: That was nice.

Andrew: Yeah. [pause] Dung licker! That’s my favorite.

[Matt groans]

Andrew: Dung licker.

Matt: Dung licker.

[Laura laughs]

MuggleCast 165 Transcript (continued)


Babbitty Rabbitty and her Cackling Stump


Andrew: [laughs] That’s kind of- pretty rude. All right so second to last story, “Babbitty Rabbitty and her Cackling Stump.”

Jamie: On the theme of, you know.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Kind of audience titles, “Cackling Stump.”

Andrew: Yeah. The most real of Beedle‘s tales, Micah wanted to note. How about a summary of this one? Go ahead, Matt. You do it since I’m – I can’t. Do a good summary.

Matt: This is my least favorite one.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Jamie: This is my least favorite one as well, Matt.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, mine too. [laughs]

Andrew: I personally didn’t like it because I got my hopes up the most, I think, for this story.

Matt: Well this one also- is the only story that mentions the whole witch hunters thing, too – about it. Like…

Jamie: Yeah.

Matt: The king had witch hunters with hounds going after all the witches. But he also wanted to do magic, too. So the king called out asking for any witch or wizard to be his advisor.

Jamie: It kind of – sorry.

Matt: Go ahead.

Jamie: It kind of echoes today that people say that people are scared of what they want and they like oppress stuff and then like sort of people who do…

Matt: What they want to do.

Jamie: Yeah, yeah.

Matt: They’re jealous, sort of, of the sort of abilities that other people can do and so in order for them to feel better about themselves, they make it into an evil.

Jamie: Into an evil, when they’re scared of it or wished they could do it.

Matt: Yeah.

Jamie: Yeah, exactly. I always thought it’s kind of like that. And- go.

Matt: So basically this guy saw this as a potential to making money and so he calls himself a sorcerer to the king and tells him he’ll teach him how to do magic, an instructor of magic. And the king, who isn’t very smart – well, he’s kind of an idiot. Let’s face it, this king isn’t very smart. So the king hires him as his sorcerer and during which the king is doing all these stupid things that the sorcerer is – what is the guy called? A charlatan? And the charlatan is teaching him to do all this stupid little nonsense spells and things, and this woman, the washwoman who is called Babbitty Rabbitty, which is kind of a weird name. It doesn’t really fit in with the story, but the old woman is just watching and laughing at him, and I guess the Charlatan follows Babbity Rabbity, and finds out that she actually is a witch, and so he tries to blackmail her, which, foolishly into being with him during his little show that he’s going to put on with the king for showing magic. The King is starting to get a little embarrassed about the whole thing, and he tells the Charlatan “I’m going to do a show for everybody, and if I get laughed at I’m going to cut your head off.” Basically. Do you guys want to go on with this story because I only read this once?

Andrew: Well, that’s kind of a long summary.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: But basically the moral of the story is that – or what ends up happening is that the king really can’t produce magic and Babbity Rabbity runs off after the Charlatan calls her out, and then what happens?

Jamie: Well, it’s like, evil doesn’t pay as well.

Andrew: Right.

Jamie: You can’t do that to someone and expect it to be a fair game.

Andrew: Yeah

Jamie: You shouldn’t really covet something that you can’t get. Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Logically, or fairly, because – you know, something bad is going to happen to you.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Go on.

Andrew: I thought the whole idea of Babbity Rabbity doing the magic behind the bushes was kind of clever.

Jamie: Yeah, it was, yeah.

Andrew: I thought that was interesting because I didn’t know how she was going to do it. And it came as a pleasant surprise I thought.

Micah: Yeah, I thought it was interesting!

Laura: I thought the ending was funny.

Micah: Yeah. Well, the interesting part was – being that when she couldn’t do anything when he tried to raise the dead boarhound back to life.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Or the search hound. And that obviously has stronger ties to a lot of what goes on in the Harry Potter series in terms of…

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: …you learn that you can never bring anybody back from the dead, even magic can’t do that.

Matt: Right.

Micah: And, yeah, the ending was funny though, Laura.

Matt: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: And…

Jamie: It was weird…

Andrew: Go ahead.

Jamie: I was going to say it was a weird tale. I thought…

Andrew: Yeah, it was.

Jamie: …the morals weren’t quite as clear as…

[Micah laughs]

Jamie: …in the other ones. I can’t remember – I read a review online, and it compared one of the stories to The Emperor’s New Groove. I don’t know which one because I haven’t seen The Emperor’s New Groove, but it might have been this one?

Andrew: I love that movie. What’s the comparison? I love that movie.

Jamie: Just that they were based on the same theme, and…

Andrew: Oh.

Jamie: …and storytelling, but I don’t know if it was this one. I’ll have to re-check it.

Andrew: Yeah, I don’t know. Sort of, because there’s a – I don’t know. I’m not sure. [laughs] Great movie though.

Jamie: If anyone has any thoughts on that.

[Andrew and Micah laugh.]

Andrew: And then, anything else you want to talk about here? I guess we didn’t even go through the notes…

Micah: Well.

Andrew: Go ahead Micah.

Micah: In terms of it being the most real of the tales, I mean, it’s just the most practical in terms of what we know of the magical world.

Andrew: Yeah. That’s true.

Micah: Dumbledore brings that up. He says, “Of all the stories so far, this is one that could have actually taken place given everything that goes on in the story.”

Andrew: Yeah, maybe this is just a rejected plotline from J.K. Rowling…

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: …she put in here.

Micah: Could be.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: I’m glad she didn’t use it.

Andrew: And I remember Elysa said she was particularly looking forward to this story because Jo had said that she came up with these titles before writing the stories, so you know, she had to make the story go with the title.

Micah: Huh.

Andrew: So that must have been quite the challenge.

Jamie: Definitely.

Laura: Oh yeah, she’s said something about that too. She said, “You try writing a story to go with the title ‘Babbity Rabbity and her Crackling Stump.'” Or something like that.

Andrew: Right, right, it must be hard. My original thing with it was just that there was Babbity Rabbity and also the Cackling Stump – not, you know, she would be the cackling stump.

Matt: But she wasn’t the cackling stump.

Laura: But she wasn’t the cackling stump.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: She was underneath it.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: Yeah, but the stump was cackling, was it?

Jamie: No, no.

Laura: No.

Jamie: I thought it was going to be some type of appendage of hers.

Andrew: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I thought the stump would come to life, literally, you know, because if a pot can walk with a foot…

[Laura and Micah laugh.]

Andrew: …then why can’t a stump cackle?

Micah: Yeah.

Matt: It was definitely one of the more anti-muggle stories too…

Jamie: Yeah, definitely.

Matt: …saying that wizards are more smart than muggles are.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Yep.

Andrew: Then there’s also the first mention of an animagus, which was interesting.

Matt: It also talks about how, how this didn’t really go with animagi too, about how they cannot speak.

Jamie: How they are different from transfigured animals. Which is really interesting because I don’t know, I just really like insights to how magic works on a theoretical level.

Andrew: Yeah, and seeing this really ancient piece of it.

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: Yep. And then Dumbledore also mentions that the witch – was it the witch that could have threatened to use the Cruciatus Curse on the king?

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Because it wasn’t yet illegal in the beginning. We kind of get some insight into the Ministry of Magic, in that they didn’t make the – those three curses unforgivable until a certain year, I think it was, right?

Matt: I think it was 1600-1700.

Laura: In 1717, I think.

Micah: Yeah.

Matt: Sixteen – yeah, I don’t know.


McGonagall Mentioned


Micah: [laughs] And we just get more of Dumbledore’s humor. I mean, he – the little – well, it’s actually by J.K Rowling – the the bit that’s on Professor McGonagall.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: And…

Laura: Oh, yeah.

Andrew: I thought it was really refreshing to hear, you know, Headmistress of Hogwarts, Professor McGonagall.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: And also makes you kind of yearn to hear stories of Hogwarts and Professor McGonagall leading it.

Matt: I loved how she wrote – how she wrote that she asked him to make it quite clear that she’d become an Animagus…

Jamie: Yeah.

Matt: …purely because of her research on Transfiguration.

Micah: [laughs] Yeah. But she never turned into a tabby cat for any surreptitious purpose.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: And…

Micah: Cold.

Matt: I wonder if Dumbledore ever joked about that with McGonagall.

Jamie: Well, I bet he teased her. I bet he teased her.

Matt: Yeah, I bet he did.


The Rabbit Advisor


Micah: [laughs] I didn’t get the whole rabbit-advisor thing to Henry the VI – was that an inside-joke? Or…

Jamie: I think it’s…

Micah: …is it like a British joke, or?

Jamie: Well, I guess he’s supposed to be – I don’t really know much about British history…

Laura: He’s – he was fairly – I mean, I don’t know a lot about him – but he was well known to be a complete psychopath.

[Micah laughs]

Laura: And I think he actually had some mental issues…

Matt: Well, wasn’t that because…

Laura: So I think – yeah.

Matt: …of the imbreeding? Didn’t they say…

Laura: Yes.

Matt: …it was because his family inbred?

Andrew: That would make sense.

Laura: So, I don’t know – he might have had syphilis or something, but…

Andrew: [laughs] Why am I laughing? I’m sorry, yeah.

Laura: No! That genuinley causes…

Jamie: I’m betting that didn’t actually happen, mind.

Laura: …mental problems.

Jamie: It’s usually a misconception, that’s all.

Matt: Like a rash.

Jamie: Yeah. It doesn’t actually affect…

Laura: I always heard that it did, though. I don’t know. Maybe I’m wrong.

Jamie: How do you know so much about this? Neh?

Andrew: She’s smart.

Laura: I don’t…

Jamie: Do you mean… [laughs]

Laura: But – I don’t know. I just felt it was a joke worth adding.

Jamie: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah, maybe it was.

Laura: You know?

Jamie: Should we move onto the next one?

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yes, please.


The Tales of the Three Brothers


Andrew: The last tale, “The Tale of The Three Brothers.” This was the shortest! I think.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: It was only – what? Three pages or something?

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: It didn’t really come as a surprise though, after Book 7.

Andrew: Right.

[Micah laughs]

Matt: Jamie and I were talking about this earlier today, but when we read it we felt like we read this entirely in Book 7. Like, almost…

Laura: Yeah, I felt like I knew it all.

Andrew: What?

Matt: Yeah?

Andrew: Was the whole thing in Book 7?

Jamie: I swear it was.

Matt: Or it was told almost exactly like it was written.

Laura: Exactly like it was, yeah.

Jamie: “And so death took the second brother for his own. But though Death searched for the third brother for many years, he was never able to find him.” Yeah! That was it!

Matt: The very last paragraph is definitely written word-for-word from it.

Jamie: Yeah it is, yeah.

Matt: From Book 7.

Laura: Okay, hang on… I have Deathly Hallows on my computer. We’re going to find out about this.

Jamie: Well, I hope you talk about yourself, Laura!

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: Well… [laughs]

Andrew: Well, while she’s looking up that we’ll look at the notes here, that Dumbledore…

Matt: I don’t think we really need to summarize this, because everyone’s read it.

Jamie: Everyone knows it.

Matt and Andrew: Yeah.

Andrew: It was Dumbledore’s favorite bed-time story.

Micah: Yep.

Andrew: You know I really…

Matt: Unfortunately it wasn’t Aberforth’s favorite book.

Jamie: No.

Andrew: I really did enjoy re-reading this story again. Because, after discussing it so much here on the show, I found it really, just – I don’t know – really nice to read again.

Jamie: It really was, yeah.

Andrew: All was very clear at that point. Because…

Matt: It does have the best moral, if you use it.

Andrew: …when you read “The Tale of The Three Brothers,” you didn’t know everything. And reading it again – because I never re-read Book 7. I should have, shamefully.

Jamie: That is pretty poor.

Matt: This is also the most mature…

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: …moral out of them all, I mean, this seems like it’s…

Micah: Wait.

Matt: …being directed towards adults.

Jamie: I was just about to say that Matt, yeah.

Micah: You never re-read Deathly Hallows?

Andrew: No. Oh, except for chapter-by-chapter…

Micah: Right.

Andrew: You’re so funny, ah – but you know what I mean, right?

Laura: Yeah, the whole thing is in here. By the way.

Andrew: Jo ripped us off. Damnit, Jo! You fooled everyone.

Laura: [laughs] It’s actually a – this is actually Hermione’s telling of the
tale.

Matt: Yeah, it’s her interpretation.

Andrew: Huh. Oh right. Right, right. Yeah, because she translated it.

Jamie: Yeah. Well, funnily she translated it as exactly Jo wrote it! So, you know, it’s terrible.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Jamie: She quoted it word-for-word. I can’t help but wonder how…

Micah: But…

Jamie: I agree, Matt. I thought it was really adult-like morals. It was like – it talked to people as adults and says what’s going to come and how you can’t live your adult life while your child could life.

Matt: It’s also more of a – like a moral that a lot of adult men tend to try to cheat. Because…

Jamie: Yeah.

Matt: …men have those mid-life crisises where they don’t want to grow old or…

Jamie: And they buy a maid.

[Andrew chuckles]

Matt: Yeah. Or Feraris and stuff. Yeah. Or a new wife.

[Jamie laughs]

Matt: Though not necessarily buy a new wife, thing is he’ll find one.

Jamie: Buy one with the advent of the internet.

Matt: Oh, geez.

Jamie: These things change.

Micah: E-mail order brides.

[Laura laughs]

Matt: Er, Micah, get off of computer.

Jamie: I’d like to order a bride.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: What else, Micah?

Laura: This story’s getting a little – sorry.

Micah: No, go.

Laura: Oh. I was just going to add that – has anybody read Canterbury Tales?

Jamie: No.

Matt: Ooh! No, I haven’t.

Laura: Oh, okay. You guys suck. [laughs]

Andrew: Is this Life of Canterbury Tales?

Laura: It’s kind of both – because Canterbury Tales have several different tales, but it kind of reminded me of the “Pardoner’s Tale” from that because in that story there’s – and they’re sort of drunkenly walking along this path and they’re trying to find Death because Death has killed one of their friends and they want to
kill Death. So they run into this old man that tell them that he’s left Death in a grove under a tree. So the three brothers go there and they find all this gold and essentially they all become really greedy and end up killing each other so that they can have the gold but like in that way it kind of reminded me of this.

Jamie: Stuff like that, it doesn’t happen to me when I get drunk.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: But it just seemed like this was sort of loosely based on that.

Andrew: Yeah that’s pretty cool.

Jamie: Yeah that is cool.

Matt: I found it kind of funny though in the picture that Jo drew about the Three Brothers and Death is that when they made that bridge Death got angry with them because they cheated death but this river is not very big and it’s, I mean – you could just jump across it it’s not really that hard, and there’s a tree right there and so they could’ve just cut it down.

Andrew: Well, maybe for book reasons, whatever…

Matt: I don’t know I just thought it was funny.

Laura: Maybe, hey, maybe people couldn’t swim back then.

Andrew: Maybe people could’ve what?

Laura: Maybe people couldn’t swim back then.

Jamie: Who did invent swimming? Did people just keep drowning until one person picked it up?

Matt: People kept drowning until there were so many bodies they just walked over.

[Jamie laughs]

Andrew: Steve Wimmer invented swimming.

Jamie: Oh I see.

Andrew: S. Wimmer, get it?

Jamie: Oh, are you being serious there?

[Micah laughs]


Analyzing Dumbledore’s Comments


Andrew: What else Micah?

Micah: Well you mentioned it was Dumbledore’s favorite bedtime story. I thought that was kind of interesting knowing that, everything that we learn about him in Deathly Hallows that you know he would like a story like this and he eventually goes after the Hallows himself.

Matt: Yeah, it shows that he had an early weakness for this kind of thing, the Elder Wand, that would probably be the reason why he loved that story so much there was this really powerful wand.

Andrew: Also the mentioning of the Philosopher’s Stone is mentioned right here inspiring the Beedle tale that’s pretty interesting.

Jamie: Yeah it really is. Well I was going to say in the notes we got his final line when he says, “Even I, Albus Dumbledore, would find it easiest to refuse the Invisibility Cloak which only goes to show you that clever as I am, I am just as big a fool as everyone else.” That for me kind of forgave him for everything he’s ever done cause like he’s very humble, like he’s not modest but he’s humble like in like he admits that he’s clever but he also admits he’s a fool and like that’s what clever people don’t really do so I think, – I think he’s an awesome character
like we met someone at the podcast whom I talked to briefly who said she didn’t ever forgive Dumbledore for what he did.

Micah: Was that Jess?

Andrew: No.

Jamie: But yeah I don’t know.

Andrew: Yeah there was something about these notes as a whole that I thought were really meaningful to Dumbledore’s life, especially that last sentence.

Matt: It’s definitely the most notes he’s given for a story in the entire book and he definitely has a lot to say about it.

Andrew: Also how he’s talking about an Elder Wand and how it’s, what was it here – so called history of the Elder Wand.

Matt: Does it ever say why – why Beedle knows all this stuff to be true?

Andrew: No.

Matt: How did he know this story? And we know for a fact that these items do exist in the series.

Laura: Well, I don’t think – I think they kind of determine in the book that the story itself wasn’t necessarily true, that it was sort of made up to explain where these things came from.

Andrew: Yeah, that makes sense.

Micah: It almost seems like a plan though, like Dumbledore is planning in this particular commentary like when he’s going through the history of the Elder Wand. It’s almost like he’s recounting it to himself so that he can act, you know, in the next couple of months.

Jamie: It’s a reminder as well that this story in the seventh book is kind of you know telling Harry to keep like keep his head like on his shoulders, you know and stop like rushing forward into things. I think it served a dual purpose talkingabout the Hallows but also like not only is the Invisibility Cloak the best option but like you know you need to think about stuff before rushing into it.

Andrew: It was really interesting to me because it was a sort of foreshadowing his mistakes and the weaknesses he had when he was trying to help Harry through all this and you know he admitted his mistakes throughout the books and I thought this was, this book was particularly meaningful in that. Because as he said that last sentence again he said he was just as big a fool as anyone else.

Matt: Also Dumbledore talks about these old superstition phrases. Like when his wand’s oak and hers is holly, then to marry would be folly.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah. But my favorite one…

Micah: It’s like…

Matt: …I’m sorry. What?

Micah: …they’re almost like nursery rhymes.

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: Kind of.

Matt: Just like old tale – I mean old woman rhymes, really – old wives’ tales. Yeah, and “Wand of elder, never prosper” he says. I think that’s like a really good saying because if you think about the Elder Wand, people that never really live very long. “Wand of elder, never prosper.”

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Thought that was pretty good.

Andrew: Anything else important to bring up about this? We’ll move along. We’re getting kind of late into the show here.

Micah: Grumble the Grubby Goat.

Laura: Dumbledore’s familiar with Alexander Pope.

Jamie: Yeah. That was cool.

Andrew: Yeah. It’s cool.

Jamie: Another Dan Brown reference for those who have read The Da Vinci Code.

[Laura, Matt, and Micah laugh]

Andrew: Micah, we discussed Grumble the Goat. You’re going to write the tale now?

Micah: Yeah. Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: That would be a cool contest, actually, to write that tale.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

[Micah laughs]


Listener Feedback: Jim Dale Voicing Beedle?


Andrew: A couple listener feedback about the book and then we’ll wrap it up for today. Camille, 14, of San Diego, she wrote:

“As always, love the show. Keep up the great work. I was wondering, do you guys think Beedle the Bard will become an audiobook narrated by Jim Dale? We’ve said he’s good enough to narrate a dictionary and make it sound interesting. Will he get the chance to narrate Beedle? If so, it’ll be cool to hear the Dumbledore comments in Dumbledore’s voice.”

That would be really cool, but I just don’t think – I don’t think it’s big enough.

Jamie: There’s not a lot of stuff.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Oh yeah.

Matt: It’s like you can download it or something. I mean, you could for anything. Yeah, I think it would just be too short. I mean, if you go out to listen to it in the car or something, it would be a very short drive.


Listener Feedback: Where Does Beedle Rank in the Series?


Andrew: Yeah. Also, some questions from Twitter. I asked people on the MuggleCast Twitter to reply with their questions, and this was fun. We got some good responses, and I like Twitter because people will keep their questions short so they don’t send us these books of e-mails. This comes from Dreyesbo, D-R-E-Y-E-S-B-O:

“If you made a ranking of the Harry Potter series, where would Beedle the Bard stand?”

Matt: Is it even part of the Harry Potter series?

Jamie: It’s barely comparable.

Andrew: Well, but, OK. How ’bout between Fantastic Beasts, Quidditch, and Beedle?

Laura: Oh, those would – yeah.

Jamie: Beedle, Fantastic Beasts, then Quidditch Through the Ages.

Matt: Yeah. This is definitely something you can read and you find more things that connect with the series.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah. I agree.


Listener Feedback: Favorite Moral?


Andrew: Megan Simpson asks:

“What was your favorite tale or moral?”

We sort of talked about our tales. Laura, what was your favorite?

Laura: I would have to say “The Tale of the Three Brothers,” just because it has such a relation to Book 7.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: I really enjoyed it.

Andrew: Yeah. Was there any favorite moral that sticked out with anyone?

Matt: I still like “The Fountain of Fair Fortune.” I like the moral.

Andrew: Yeah. Me too.

Jamie: Wizard’s – “Warlock’s Heart.” Those were the best.

Andrew: Yeah. That too. Yeah. Micah?

Micah: I’ll go with “Babbity Rabbity and Her Cackling Stump.” I don’t really know the moral there to be honest, but I like the moral from the first two stories. You know, sort of the wizard-Muggle relations and them actually getting along with each other as opposed to – you know, using their magical power to threaten other people.

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: But, I did like that story even though most people did not.


Listener Feedback: Collector’s Edition


Andrew: Moving along, Angel12319 on Twitter asks:

“Just wanted to know how many of you bought the Collector’s Edition because I plan to buy it and was wondering who else bought it.”

Jamie: Is that the hundred dollar one?

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah, that’s the expensive one.

Andrew: I didn’t buy. I don’t think anyone here did.

Jamie: That’s insane.

Micah: No, not me.

Jamie: How much of that goes to charity?

Matt: All of it.

Andrew: A good amount of it.

Matt: A lot of it.

Andrew: I mean, like three dollars of this book is…

Laura: Well, if I had – I was going say – like, if I had a hundred dollars, I would buy it.

Andrew: Yeah. Are you asking for that for Christmas, Laura? Is that it or just the regular version?

Laura: No. No, no, no, just the regular version.

Andrew: You should ask for the big one for Christmas.

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: Hey, I want other things too, you know?

Micah: You know what you do, Laura?

Laura: It’s true, you know.

Micah: Laura, see if they’re going to do an unveiling of the Collector’s Edition somewhere, and go and notice if behind it, there’s something wrong with the poster or the stand that it’s on, and then write to them and say, “Hey, I noticed this was wrong,” and see if they’ll send you a free Collector’s Edition.

Laura: There we go.


Listener Feedback: Grumble the Grubby Goat


Andrew: AliceMania on Twitter asks:

“Why didn’t Jo write “Grumble the Grubby Goat”? After it was mentioned, I wanted to read it, but was disappointed it was left out.”

Maybe it’s for Beedle the Bard 2.

[Laura laughs]

Matt: Oh yeah.

Andrew: It would be kind of cool to see Beedle the Bard 2.

Matt: Yeah, well that mentioned, I was – that’s what made me upset because there’s all these other Beedle the Bard stories that were never written.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Yeah, that’s true. I have one last point to make that I remember thinking about it when I read it. In “The Tale of the Three Brothers” when she writes, “Yet she was sad and cold, separated from him as though by a veil.”

Matt: [gasps] Ooh. Yeah.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. That was really cool.

Jamie: I thought that was brilliant.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Obviously on purpose as well.


Listener Feedback: Three Brothers Too Short?


Andrew: Yeah. Kathleen91 asks:

“Hey guys, I was just wondering if you thought “The Tale of the Three Brothers” was gonna be longer. I was excited to read it, but it was three pages.”

Eh, what can you do? She had to keep it short for Book 7, so…

Matt: Well, I mean, it’s a good story, I mean.

Laura: It was literally taken word by word from Hermione’s telling of it in the book.

Andrew: Yeah, so. And they had to keep it short in the book, and I think there wasn’t any part that felt rushed or anything. It was just a nice little tale.

Jamie: Yeah. Yeah.

Matt: It wasn’t – Yeah, the story was already told in the book. I mean, it was the entire story they said, so.

Micah: Plus, she got the most commentary from it, too.

Andrew: Right. Exactly. Yeah. Come on, Katherine. Geez.

Matt: Geez.


Listener Feedback: How Long Did it Take to Read Beedle?


Andrew: No, I’m just kidding. And lastly, KJPotter94 writes:

“How long did it take you all to read the book?”

Took me about an hour and a half.

Jamie: About an hour and a bit, yeah.

Micah: Yeah.

Matt: It took me actually longer because I kept rereading it over and over again.

Andrew: Oh, Laura? Micah?

Laura: I would say around an hour.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah. A little over an hour.

Andrew: I guess I’m slow.

Micah: Taking notes. I don’t know.

Laura: Well, Andrew…

Micah: Yeah, you’re slow.

Laura: …do you remember when we were reading Deathly Hallows?

Andrew: And we were like…

Laura: And we were consistently 50 pages apart no matter what we did?

Andrew: Yeah. I was trying to come up with a scheme to like distract Laura to slow her down so I could get by her, but never worked out. Shoulda set your hair on fire or something.

Matt: Yeah.

Laura: Oh thanks.

Andrew: You’re welcome.

Laura: I love you, too.

Jamie: That would probably distract everyone, to be honest.

Andrew: I just wanted to distract Laura.

Matt: Just punch her out unconscious.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: Wow.

Andrew: You bitch! [makes punching noise]

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: It’s OK. J.K. Rowling said it.

Matt: Oh, that’s right.

Laura: Oh. That’s true. We can say it now, too.

Matt: It’s my book, you bitch!

Andrew: We can say dunglicker, too because J.K. Rowling said it.

Laura: And we weren’t allowed to say that before?

Andrew: I never knew that word existed.

Matt: Okay. So, quick can we take about another episode?

Andrew: No, no.

Matt: Do we have time for this? No? No?

Laura: No.

Jamie: Maybe some excerpts.


Show Close


Andrew: All right. Well, this wraps up our Beedle the Bard talk. It’s been a long show. I think much longer than we anticipated.

Jamie: We didn’t even intro, Andrew.

Andrew: No, we didn’t. We’ll outro because I know you wanna do that. Hopefully, everyone enjoyed the book, and we’ll discuss it on another future episode. Just want to say that I think our next episode will be our Year End Review show, which will be fun. I started working on MuggleNet’s Year In Review last night and I noticed there
was a lot of big stories this year: the movie split, the movie delay.

Matt: No movie.

Andrew: Beedle the Bard. Yeah. No movie. So – and, of course, the JKR/RDR trial. There’s a lot of fun stuff to talk about on that episode. So, that’ll be out by the end of the month if not in like two weeks or so. All right, so, I’m Andrew Sims.

Jamie: I’m Jamie Lawrence.

Matt: I’m Matthew…

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Matt: Why did you point to me?

Andrew: I pointed to Jamie.

Matt: And then you pointed to me.

Andrew: No, I didn’t!

Matt: OK.

Andrew: I pulled my hand away.

Matt: You were like…

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: That was the longest pulling your hand away.

Laura: It doesn’t matter.

Micah: Who cares? It doesn’t matter.

Matt: OK. Let’s just go. Again.

Andrew: We’ll just leave this for a blooper. I’m Andrew Sims.

Jamie: I’m Jamie Lawrence.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Matt: And I’m Matthew Britton.

Andrew: Thanks everyone for listening. We’ll see you next time for Episode 166.

Jamie: [in deep voice] Buh-bye.

Andrew: Bye.

Laura: Bye.

Micah: Bye.

Matt: Bye.

[Outro music plays]

Transcript #164

MuggleCast 164 Transcript


Show Intro


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[Intro music begins]

Hagrid: Are you ready?

Dumbledore: Yes.

Hagrid: Is everybody ready?

[Audience cheers]

Dumbledore: Oh, they don’t sound ready, Hagrid. They might as well go home if they don’t sound more enthusiastic than that. Hagrid said, “Are you ready?”

[Audience cheers louder]

Dumbledore: That’s more like it.

Hagrid: Right, Professor…

Dumbledore: Yes?

Hagrid: …I think we need to pave the way for our dear friends to come straight down here in all this cheering and clapping and screaming. So ladies and folks, will you please give a great big round of applause for our first guy, Mr. Andrew Sims!

[Audience cheers]

Dumbledore: Oh! There he is! Andrew, oh, you look as if you’re ready to be in the sixth form, yes.

Hagrid: As you can see – aww…

Dumbledore: Andrew, when you hug Hagrid, could you stand up? Oh, sorry, you were standing. I thought he was kneeling.

[Audience laughs]

Hagrid: Yeah, he’s a midget, so it’s all right. Right! Mental or mad, I don’t think that was loud enough cheers so this time when you go even worse – oh, careful tiger.

Dumbledore: Oh, healthy feet.

Hagrid: The even wilder Jamie Lawrence!

[Audience cheers]

Dumbledore: Oh, Jamie, oh. And have you finished that essay on the 12th century properties?

Jamie: I have.

Dumbledore: You have? Oh, I’ll take it then. Oh no, that’s not an essay, it’s a jumble. All right, carry on, carry on, good to have you. Give him a kiss – ah! I didn’t realise it was like that Hagrid!

[Audience laughs]

Hagrid: Okay, go sit yourself down there, young man. Oh, he’s got some special artifacts over there.

Dumbledore: Yes.

Hagrid: What’s that all about then? Okay then, I think it will get ever wilder now, as we’re going to bring out the wonderful Matt Britton!

[Audience cheers]

Hagrid: Oh, Matt! And you come in a tie. But what happened to the hair?

[Audience laughs]

Hagrid: Oh, no! He’s one of these other half-breeds – half boy, half porcupine.

[Audience laughs]

Hagrid: Yes, come through, come through.

Dumbledore: They’re what they call troll bogies, Professor.

Hagrid: Oh. Eeeaugh!

Dumbledore: These people call it gel or something disgusting.

[Audience laughs]

Dumbledore: Let me just wipe it on there.

Hagrid: Go on, give another round of applause. Go on, Matt.

[Audience cheers]

Dumbledore: I’m glad you came in old clothes.

Hagrid: And then, who’s left? Ah, we’re a bit unbalanced with the sexes at the moment.

[Audience laughs]

Dumbledore: Shall we bring her out, shall we? Elysa? Shall we bring her out, yes?

Hagrid: Would you like her to come down the aisle now?

[Audience cheers]

Hagrid: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Elysa Montfort!

[Audience cheers]

Hagrid: Oh, golly! Good to see you. Yes. I’m sure you have problems in the airport with the metal detectors.

[Audience laughs]

Dumbledore: Right, Hagrid. Are we going to hand it over to them?

Hagrid: Absolutely. One more round of applause for all the guys here!

Dumbledore: It’s a very, very special night tonight.

[Audience cheers]

Dumbledore: LET’S MAKE SOME MAGIC!!!

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Thank you, Hagrid! Thank you, Dumbledore! Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to MuggleCast Live in London 2!

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Three, this is three. We’re all very excited. Is everyone excited for Beedle the Bard?

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Who was here when we were here for Book 7?

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: A few people in the audience raising their hands. Of course, we’re all here. We’re all very excited for Beedle the Bard. General… what we’re going to do, we’re going to treat this like a normal MuggleCast. We’re going to be talking about the latest news and then we’ll get into some Beedle discussion. Then we have some really cool prizes brought to you by Alivans. So we’ll get to those later on. But first, there’s been a lot of – besides Beedle the Bard, what has been the other big story?

[Audience member shouts something]

Matt: Yeah!

[Elysa laughs]


Half-Blood Prince Trailer Discussion


Andrew: No, I’m not talking about that. No, Harry Potter wise, the Half-Blood Prince trailer that just came out a few weeks ago. What did everyone think of it?

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Some lost hesitation. We still haven’t gotten the thoughts of Matt and Elysa yet so I want to get them now.

Matt: Yeah you did.

Jamie: No actually it’s me.

Andrew: Oh no, sorry. Jamie and Elysa. Yeah. Jamie, what did you think about this trailer?

Jamie: I really…

Andrew: While I sip this beautiful looking water.

[Audience laughs]

Jamie: Oh yeah okay. I really liked it actually. I thought – I think starting with movie three, Harry Potter has taken on like a – they look more like proper films. Not to say one and two aren’t very good because I’ve realized I’ve just said they are bit…

[Audience laughs]

Jamie: I just think they started to look like proper movie trailers. I think quite a few movies like the first year Harry Potter ones, you watch them and you think, well, they look very fantasy. They look very Harry Potter-ish. But starting at three, I feel they started to take on that darker tone that Cuarón brought out and I think Half-Blood Prince looks awesome in that light. You know, I think it’s really going to be dark. It’s going to be a good film and it’s going to be scary which is good and they’re probably still going to give it a 12A rating.

[Audience laughs]

Jamie: So everyone can go and see it because that would be unfair if they couldn’t, so yeah, I’m really looking forward to it.

Andrew: And Elysa, your thoughts?

Elysa: Yeah, I agree completely. I mean, my favorite part about it was probably the opening line where Harry’s just like, “I’ve just sort of learned to go with it at this point.” I really liked that. I like that it was sort of coalescing humor and like the darker sides of it at the same time which I really thought Half-Blood Prince was all about. But, so far, definitely my favorite trailer.

Jamie: Harry wouldn’t say a line like that though, would he?

Elysa: What?

Jamie: “Well, I’m just going to roll with it.”

Elysa: Well, maybe not, okay, maybe not like out loud in the book, but I think he’d say…

Jamie: He doesn’t have the personality for it really though does he?

[Audience laughs]

Elysa: I think he’s learned to roll with it though. He’s had to.

Andrew: Can you guys believe the film would have been out for two or three weeks now…

Elysa: I know.

Andrew: …if it weren’t for the delay.

[Audience groans]

Andrew: I hate to get everyone down. But it’s almost surreal that it would be over and done with at this point. But, yeah, so and we made that big post on MuggleNet. I’m sure Warner Bros. didn’t appreciate us reminding people but…

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. Whatever.

Jamie: How many of you guys think Twilight is a poor like…

[Audience boos]

Andrew: [laughs] This is the wrong crowd bring it up in front of. Boo. Get out of here.

Jamie: I know. I just alienated everyone.

Andrew: What do you know?

Matt: Jamie just shut up.

Jamie: Oops. Oops.


Andrew’s Encounter with Twilight Cast/Crew


Andrew: We’ll say real quick, I’m sure some of you heard about this now, Matt and I, on our flight over here from L.A., the director of Twilight, Catherine Hardwicke and the lead Kristin Stewart who plays Bella were both on our flight.

Matt: Yeah.

[Audience murmurs]

Andrew: When we saw them I turned into the biggest fan girl you would imagine.

[Audience and Matt laughs]

Andrew: I never reacted like that before, but just something about them – actually, like, seeing them. I don’t know.

Matt: No, it was funny because we were just sitting there and you were playing with your iPhone or something…

[Audience laughs]

Matt: …and I was looking somewhere off and I saw this woman just walk by me and I said, “Catherine Hardwicke!” And then you were like, “What are you talking about?” And then he just starts screaming.

[Audience laughs]

Matt: Like, “Oh my god, Oh my god! Oh my god!”

Andrew: Yeah, I really was. It was really exciting, but then – sort of a funny story and then we’ll move on – we got to baggage claim in London, and I was like, “Okay, some people aren’t going to believe this, so I have to take a picture,” and we couldn’t find Kristen, but Catherine was there waiting by us. So I had a magazine or something, and I just sort of stood up, and I just went like this. [demonstrates]

[Audience laughs]


New Half-Blood Prince Release Date


Andrew: I got like three takes just in case, you know, one of them turned out bad, and that’s on my Facebook now so – but anyway, that’s what happened. Back to Beedle, before I start fan girling again. Is everyone okay with the July release date now for Half-Blood Prince?

Audience: No!

Andrew: No? But isn’t it good now, there’s something to look forward to this year?

[Indecisive responses from audience]

Andrew: And it’s all because of that DVD that’s coming out Monday, Dark Knight.

Jamie: Oh that is true.

Andrew: Oh well.

Audience Member: And James Bond.

Andrew: And James Bond.

Jamie: On that note, did people like the new James Bond film?

[Negative responses from audience]

Matt: Yeah, I didn’t like it either.

Jamie: It did suck.


Beedle the Bard Discussion


Andrew: And one other bit of news today. The AP – Associated Press reported that eight million copies of Beedle the Bard are being printed today, or will be – the initial print run. 3.5 million in the U.S., and I don’t think they announced the U.K. Does anyone know how many books are in the U.K. for Beedle? A lot?

[Audience Member responds]

Andrew: Seven million? Okay, well that math doesn’t add up. Maybe – I dont know, maybe that was just…

Jamie: Did she say seven billion?

Andrew: No, million. I thought she said billion.

Jamie: Two for every person who lives in the world.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s what I’m talking about, yeah. Yeah. So you guys got a few copies. All of them are here, actually, because – anyways. Let’s move on to the Beedle discussion. What’s everyone’s general expectation of the book? Because we know we’re all excited, and they’ve added things that weren’t exactly in the original – book that J.K. Rowling wrote. Matt, why don’t we start with you? What are your general expectations of this book? Are you hoping to be enthralled?

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: You can’t put it down?

Matt: I don’t – What is it about?

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: It’s the Tales of Beedle the Bard. Actually, well one of…

[Andrew knocks his mic]

Andrew: Oh, I’m sorry. One of Elysa’s friends saw the books already. They’re about the size of like the Fantastic Beasts and the Quidditch through the Ages books, so…

Matt: I’m hoping it’s going to be a good read. I mean, I don’t know how many times I’m going to re-read it like I do with the Harry Potter books but…

Andrew: Yeah. Well, what’s going to keep me interested, and we’ll get to this in a second, but what’s really going to keep me interested are the notes from Dumbledore…

Elysa and Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Because when I read the descriptions of those I got really excited. Elysa, how about you? What are you looking forward to?

Elysa: Um, I don’t know. Well, I’m sort of hoping that we see some other sort of direct relevance to the series, like obviously we know with the one story and the Peverell Brothers that’s you know, hugely significant but I’m hoping that some of the other tales in there, we’re going to be able to spot some sort of – red herrings or symbology in there as well. That’d be really neat.

Matt: Yeah, are there really going to be that many red herrings or something in the book?

[Prolonged silence]

Elysa: What?

[Audience laughs]

Matt: Are there…

Elysa: A little slower if you don’t mind actually.

Matt: Yeah.

[Elysa laughs]

Matt: I forgot what I said.

Andrew: And Jamie, how about you? I mean, are you excited for the Dumbledore stuff mostly or what?

Jamie: I’m looking forward to it but I worry it’s going to be kind of like Quidditch Through the Ages and Fantastic Beasts which I did enjoy but I thought they were written kind of away from the books so you could read them but it’s not like reading a Harry Potter book, so I’d like to see some direct references to what happened in Book 7. I’d like to see her answer some questions that people are still wondering about but I don’t know if she’s going to. And like, I thought in Fantastic Beasts, I think it was when it said like “This book is the property of Harry Potter.” I thought that was kind of bad to be honest.

Andrew: Wait – that was like a little library book, right? From the…

Jamie: Yeah, and it was like hangman stuff. I thought that was a bit unnecessary.

Andrew: Maybe he got bored of reading it. Are you sure that wasn’t you who drew that in there when you were bored?

Jamie: No because I wouldn’t put “This book is the property of Harry Potter.”

Andrew: Oh, okay.

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: So, let me quote what Amazon said about the Dumbledore description because I think this is going to be one of the most interesting things. “Enlightening and comprehensive commentary including extensive footnotes by Dumbledore who brings his unique wizardised perceptive to the collection.” Do you think Jo and the publishers decided to add this to maybe sell the book more? Because do you think it would sell as well if this book would have been published just how it was?

Jamie: It sounds like it’s written to sell. Like, “enlightening and comprehensive commentary, including extensive footnotes,” and stuff. I don’t know.

Andrew: Right, yeah. I don’t know. Do you guys think, would you guys be as excited if it didn’t have the Dumbledore stuff because personally that’s what I’m most excited about. You are?

Matt: It’s a Harry Potter book!

Andrew: Just go with me, come on. I know, yeah. And – also “Professor Dumbledore also includes fascinating historical background including tid bits such as ‘The History Pursuit of Magic Wands'”? What could that be about?

Matt: Probably the historical pursuit of magic wands.

Andrew: Yeah I know, jokes aside.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: What could it really be about? Would he go really in-depth like this? Because I know how Jo can’t resist you know being about to go in-depth in something like this.

Matt: Sorry, go on.

Jamie: Go on Matt…

Matt: I had nothing to say.

Jamie: I can’t remember what I was going to say really.

[Audience laughs]

Jamie: Andrew, you’re the host, you can save us now.

Andrew: Okay, thank you. And what else was there? And a brief comment on the Dark Arts and its practitioners, which is also pretty cool.

Jamie: Is that going to be from Dumbledore? Like him talking…

Andrew: That’s him writing, yeah.

Jamie: That would probably be quite interesting.

Matt: That would be kind of cool.

Jamie: Yeah, because he kind of dabbled in it well you know, sort of with Grindelwald – so I think it is going to be interesting to hear his view on it because so far we’ve seen everyone say the Dark Arts are really, really bad, and we’ve seen it from Voldemort’s point of view where he loves them, and the good people’s point of view where they hate them, the Order of the Phoenix. But if we have it from Dumbledore I think him – like he has experienced it and he is not – doesn’t really think good and bad, black and white.

Matt: Yeah.

Jamie: So I think it would be interesting to hear what he says.

Matt: Yeah, it would be interesting to hear Dumbledore’s view points on Dark Arts through his point of view and not him like telling Harry or something.

Jamie: Is he going to feature Grindelwald though? Is he going to talk about him?

Matt: I don’t know, I haven’t read the book.

Andrew: I would think so because that…

[Everybody laughs]

Andrew: Grindelwald is Dark Arts, I mean.

Elysa: Yeah.

Andrew: You could argue.

Jamie: One of the worst wizards ever.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. And then the other question that I thought would be fun to discuss was, we know there were seven copies, handwritten by Jo, one was auctioned off to Amazon and then we know one went to Arthur Levine, Scholastic editor, and a second copy went off to Barry Cunningham, the Bloomsbury editor. And there are four other copies – so who do you think the other four could have gone to?

[Audience Member responds]

Andrew: Her sister? But how about someone in the movie, like David Heyman…

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Fiddy, her assistant, definitely.

[Answers from the audience]

Andrew: Daniel Radcliffe? No.

Matt: Yeah, doesn’t he have everything though, else?

Andrew: Yeah, he doesn’t need anything else, he has enough.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Didn’t you get a copy? You were influential.

Jamie: Uh, well I don’t know about that influential. I think it worked like a Willy Wonka type thing where she hid them…

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: Five bars of the chocolate.

[Everybody laughs]

Jamie: Someone is going to find them.

Andrew: Yeah, Arthur and Berry got very lucky.

Jamie: Yeah, that’s so lucky, the two editors who do the books.

Andrew: Who knew? What were the chances? Elysa, what do you think?

Elysa: Um, God, I don’t know.

Andrew: I think Fiddy definitely. It’s people who were very involved in the book series.

Jamie: She probably gave her something a bit nicer, though. It’s nice, a handwritten copy, but since she’s been working with her for so long you’d think, like – she’d, like…

Andrew: Something nicer? Bought her a house? Yeah.

Jamie: Something like that.

Andrew: Yeah. All right. So, what we’re going to do now, if – does anyone else have any other thoughts about that, before we move on?

Audience Member: Didn’t she have a friend she based Ron off of?

Andrew: She had a friend she based Ron off of?

Jamie: The guy who drove her around all…

Audience Member: Yeah.

Jamie: Yeah. She might’ve given him…

Matt: Didn’t he sue her, or something?

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: No, that was her brother?

Audience Member: Cousin.

Andrew: Cousin.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: Yeah. On that lie detector show. That was dumb. That was probably fake. But yeah I don’t know. So I think it would be interesting. I don’t see why it might – like – okay obviously those four remaining people aren’t going to boast about it, but I feel like – you know – we should know. We have the right to know.

[Matt laughs]

Elysa: Human rights.

Andrew: Did anyone see the – did anyone get the Amazon Collector’s Edition?

Audience Member: Yeah!

Andrew: A few people? I really want to get it, but…

Matt: Oh the…

Andrew: The Special Edition that costs one hundred dollars.

Matt: Yeah that one looked really nice.

Jamie: It’s one hundred dollars?

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: What extra do you get with it?

Andrew: You get a lot of stuff.

Matt: You get a really nice cover.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: No, but you get like ten special drawings from Jo, what else does anyone remember? It’s a lot. It’s well worth the extra money.

Audience Member: It’s got, like, the proper fake cover.

Andrew: It’s got the proper fake cover, yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

[Audience Member says something]

Andrew: The what, sorry?

Audience Member: The gems.

Andrew: Oh yeah it’s got the gems in it, yeah. But when that first came out, I think I first said this on MuggleCast, I was so amazed at the price difference. It went from ten to one hundred dollars. It’s like, what’s that ninety really giving you?

Matt: Well, I mean, come on…

Andrew: It’s worth it.

Matt: Yeah it’s worth it.

Jamie: Can she draw, though?

Andrew: Yeah.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Have you seen the pictures? She has drawn – they’re not, you know – insert good artist here. Picasso. They’re actually kind of like Picasso.

Audience Member: They’re still by JK Rowling.

Andrew: Yeah, they’re still by JK Rowling.

Jamie: That is a fair point.


Beedle the Bard Trivia


Andrew: We’re going to do some Beedle trivia right now. What we’re going to do – we’re going to pick specific people in the audience and I think we have people standing in the wings with microphones. Where are they? Do we have our wing people? Okay there’s one mic. That’s all we need. Oh theres two. Okay so raise your hand if you want to participate. These are Beedle related questions, and you’ll win a fabulous prize sponsored by Alivans. That’s Alivans.com, master wand makers. Raise your hand. Okay we’ll start with this girl right here.

[Audience murmurs]

Andrew: Yeah, go ahead stand up. No no, no! Back two. There you go. Hello? What’s your name? Hold on, wait a second.

Jamie: This works kind of differently, in that you have to give the answer before he asks the question.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Oh, yeah – check? Do it again. Good?

[Mic fails to work]

Andrew: Okay, well we’ll – so where are you from?

Audience Member: I live in London but I’m originally from a place called Blackpool.

Andrew: Oh, okay, cool.

Elysa: Ooh, very nice.

Andrew: Yeah, woo, Blackpool! Yeah, I haven’t been there.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Ok [laughs]. Here’s your question, okay, and you’re going to be able to pick from – we have a few things up here. We have scarves from Alivans…

Matt: No, it’s a secret, it’s a secret!

Andrew: Wands, sweaters, and tattoos…

Matt: Never mind.

Andrew: You can just take the tattoos, too.

Andrew: Ok, the question is – and don’t yell it out, unless you want her to get it, of course.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Actually, don’t yell it out. What was the final selling price for the seventh copy of the handwritten book?

Matt: [gasps] Oh my gosh…

Andrew: This was, of course, purchased by Amazon, it was a lot of money. You can ballpark it, I mean, if…

Audience Member: Is this in pounds or dollars?

Andrew: Ah, either.

Audience Member: Um, four million dollars?

Andrew: Yeah! 3.98 million. There you go!

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Everyone’s like, How’d she know that!?

Matt: I know! How did you know that?

Elysa: I didn’t know that.

Andrew: No, that’s good. Come collect your prize at the end – no, you can come up now.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: What do you want? You want a Harry Potter scarf?

Audience Member: Yes, please.

Andrew: Okay, perfect.

Matt: Well she’s got a Slytherin shirt.

Andrew: Where’s the other stuff? Elysa, do you have it?

Elysa: Yeah.

Andrew: Can you just put it on the table? Okay.

Jamie: Andrew, while you’re doing that, do you think I could just throw a t-shirt into the audience? I’ve always wanted to do that.

Andrew: Yeah, sure, go ahead.

[Audience laughs and cheers]

Andrew: These are the wonderful – a lot of you can get them,
we have a lot of extras that we’re going to be giving away at the end, too.

Jamie: That was so cool, I’m going to have to do that again.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I’ve waited my life for this! I’ve waited all my life…All
right, one more, go ahead. Make your dreams come true.

[Audience cheers as Jamie throws]

Andrew: You feel better now?

Jamie: No, I’m going to have to do it again.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: All right, hold on.

Jamie: I’ll see if I can…

Andrew: Ok, next question – who wants to – how about this girl right here. Saw her hand up first. Okay, what’s your name?

Audience Member: Beth.

Andrew: Where are you from?

Audience Member: Iowa City, Iowa.

Andrew: Oh, wow. Why are you here?

Audience Member: I’m studying abroad for the semester.

[Audience cheers]

Matt: Oh, cool. Yeah.

Andrew: Where at?

Audience Member: With my program for Purnell College.

Andrew: Cool, cool. Okay, nobody be thrown off by her American accent. It’s normal.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Okay. On what day was it announced that Beedle the Bard would be published in the U.K. and the U.S.? What day – it had special significance.

Jamie: It’s quite significant, yeah.

Matt: Very.

Audience Member: July 31st?

Andrew: Yes, Harry’s birthday. There you go. You win a fabulous prize from Alivans.com.

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Come up here. You can pick a prize.

Matt: Do they get to pick? Do they get to pick?

Andrew: Yeah you guys can pick. There is a variety of wands up here. Next question, how about this guy right here? I’ve got to get a guy. What’s your name dude?

Audience Member: Steven.

Andrew: Steven where you from?

Audience Member: London.

Andrew: London, awesome.

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Are you – Are you good with your Beedle the Bard knowledge? Have you brushed up?

Audience Member: Maybe.

Andrew: Maybe? Okay. Let’s see.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Okay. Well this could be challenging. I don’t know. Name three of the five stories found in Beedle the Bard.

Matt: Oh. Oh.

Andrew: You can pass it off to someone if – if you feel like this maybe…

Matt: I know that one.

Andrew: …too difficult a question. He’s thinking hard.

Audience Member: The Tale of Babbitty Rabbit or something.

Andrew: Close enough.

Matt: Yeah that’s…

[Audience laughs]

Audience Member: The Tale of the Three Brothers.

Andrew: Yes.

Audience Member: And the Wishing Pot?

Andrew: Close enough.

[Audience laughs and cheers]

Andrew: That was like a combination of two titles, but whatever. So you got like two and a half, two fourths of each. All right…

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: Trying desperately for him to win something. All right, thank you. You won an awesome prize from Alivans. Okay question four – what are we at? Four, let’s see. How about – You’re too close to the other girl who – sorry no. Okay fine right here – right here. And then we’ll get someone from over this side and then one more. What’s your name?

Audience Member: Alex.

Andrew: Where you from, Alex?

Audience Member: Norway.

Andrew: Norway wow.

Matt: Wow!

Andrew: What are you here for?

Audience Member: To see you guys.

Andrew: Oh stop.

Matt: Awww.

Andrew: Why you win a prize just for that.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Okay here’s the question. How many copies of Beedle the Bard did Scholastic say will be in the initial print run in the U.S.?

Jamie: Hasn’t this already been said?

Matt: Yeah didn’t we just say this?

Andrew: Did I say that?

Matt: Yeah you did.

Andrew: We’re making sure she’s listening. So go ahead.

[Long silence]

Andrew: See she wasn’t listening! Okay.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: You can ballpark it.

Audience Member: Eight?

Jamie: To the nearest ten million.

Andrew: Eight what?

Audience Member: Million?

Andrew: Oh million? I’m sorry that’s not correct. But come up and get something anyway. We’ll have someone else answer it. How about this guy right here?

Matt: What? I thought – I thought that was right.

Andrew: Well no, no, in the U.S. specifically.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: But it’s – it’s, okay. That was good enough. This guy right here, in the Gryffindor scarf. What’s your name?

Audience Member: James.

Andrew: James, what – How many copies was in the U.S.?

Audience Member: Was it 3.5 million?

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: That’s correct. You win a prize from Alivans.com.

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Actually, we have two more questions. Ah, look, we’re getting contestant pictures, what is this? All right, microphone, over here. This girl right here.

Audience Member: Hi. I’m Ashley.

Andrew: Hi. Go ahead. Stand up.

Audience Member: Stand up?

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: What? You don’t want to? Okay. What’s your name? Ashley?

Audience Member: From Philadelphia.

Andrew: From Philly!

Matt: Wow!

Andrew: You two were at Enlightening!

[Audience Member responds]

Matt: Why are we picking Americans in London?

Audience Members: They’re studying!

Andrew: Oh they’re studying. Everyone is studying here.

Matt: Anyone here who is English?

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Okay. How many people – are you listening? This is very important. How many pages is the original, handwritten copy of Beedle the Bard? How many pages?

Audience Member: Twenty-seven?

Andrew: Oh no! Oh, God. No, I’m sorry. This girl, right back here. Hold on, this girl in the blue.

Audience Member: One hundred?

Andrew: Close! This girl, right here, go on.

Audience Member: Isn’t it ninety-six, or ninety-seven, or something like that?

Andrew: No! Unless I got the number wrong, but I’m pretty sure I have it right. Anyone else? This girl?

Audience Member: Is it one hundred and twenty-eight?

Andrew: No, closer. Higher. Go ahead.

Audience Member: One hundred and fifty!

Andrew: One-fifty-seven. Yeah. Did anyone know that? I hope I got the number right. I read it online. I got it off Wikipedia, so it must be right.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: I didn’t get it off Wikipedia. For the record. Yes, that is where we get all our information. Okay, and one last, final question. I hate to make you run around, but you – no, no, come over this side! This girl, right here, in the black cap. Here we go, she’s going to win a fabulous prize. Oh, who guessed the one-fifty? You can come up here and get a thing.

[Audience Member responds]

Andrew: Yeah, if you want. Okay, last question, go ahead. This girl in the black cap. Are you ready, do you have the microphone? I can’t see.

Audience Member: Yeah, yeah.

Andrew: Sorry, okay.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: This is a recent news story. So, hopefully, you’ve been checking the fansites. What tale – what tales did Scholastic editor, Arthur Levine, recently compare the Tales of Beedle to?

Audience Member: Something to do with – Grimm!

Andrew: Yes, the Grimm Brothers, yes. There you go!

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Yay! Thank you Alivans, for those – thank you Alivans for those wonderful prizes. And, now, what we’re going to do do, we’re going to open up the floor, and we want to take lots of questions from you guys, to ask you anything – if you want to talk about anything related to Beedle, or anything related to the movie, or JK Rowling’s art…

Jamie: First, can we just check who’s come the furthest today?

Audience Member: Me! Australia! Australia!

Jamie: Oh man, that’s got to win…

Matt: Oh my god!

[Audience murmurs]

Jamie: Should I test my throwing arm, and see if I can get a t-shirt all the way back there?

Andrew: Don’t hit the light!

Jamie: Oh yeah, the light’s going to…

Andrew: And – hit the light! No, I’m just kidding.

Jamie: You can come up and get one.

Andrew: Yeah. We have lots of shirts back here, so once we’re done, you guys can come up.

Matt: And every time you ask a question, you get a sheet of these awesome scar stickers.

Andrew: Oh, man! Cool!

Jamie: And a t-shirt.

MuggleCast 164 Transcript (continued)


Question Time with the Hosts


Andrew: Those are also brought to you by Alivans. Okay, who’s got a question? Just a general question, or… What’s up, David? Just wanted to say hi? [laughs] Go ahead. Anyone – anyone raising their hand. That girl, right there, who just won the prize.

Audience Member: This is kind of cheeky, but where’s my Pickle Pack shirt?

Matt: Ooh…

Andrew: It’s in the mail!

Audience Member: Is it still in the mail?

Andrew: I’ll get it to you! Give me your address after the show.

[Audience laughs]

Audience Member: Okay.

Andrew: Geez.

Jamie: We should have brought some Pickle Pack shirts.

Andrew: I know, we should have been prepared for this! Okay, how about someone else? This guy in the blue? What’s your question?

Audience Member: Do you think this’ll be a book that really little kids read, like parents read to toddlers, or whatever?

Jamie: It doesn’t really seem like it.

Andrew: I don’t know. I don’t think so.

Jamie: I don’t think it is, like, I don’t know if adults think it’s going to be part of Harry Potter or if it’s more like a fan book, or…

Matt: Well, it’s got a huge Harry Potter thing on top, I mean, it’s kind of Harry Potter.

Jamie: Yeah, but it’s not Harry Potter and the Tales of Beedle the Bard, it’s more of a companion book. I don’t know, though.

Elysa: It can stand on its own, though, so I would imagine that people would. I mean, I would.

Jamie: They probably love it, like, after Order of the Phoenix, which is that thick, when they can read the child a book that is a lot thinner.

Elysa: Yeah.

Jamie: They’re gonna love it.

[Audience laughs]

Matt: They would rather read that than read Harry Potter.

Andrew: Do we have any little kids here – I don’t know, ten, eleven, twelve…

Matt: Two!

Andrew: How old are you?

Audience Member: Eleven!

Andrew: Eleven. Are you really excited for Beedle?

Audience Member: Mmm.

Andrew: Yeah, see, there you go. Question answered.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: No, I think that – I think – I mean, let’s be honest, it’s not going to sell as many copies as Harry Potter did. And I mean, this has been totally expected. I was reading an article today comparing – Book 7 had twelve million copies in the initial print run just for the U.S., and so, I mean, you know, it’s still going to be a great book, but all I’m saying is, that I don’t think it’ll appeal too much.

Jamie: It’s still quite a big print run though, compared to Book 7.

Andrew: How old are you? You look young. This kid right here.

Audience Member: He’s twelve.

Andrew: Twelve? You don’t look a day over ten.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: I don’t mean that in a bad way, though. I really don’t. I didn’t mean that in a bad way. But you’re excited to read it right?

Audience Member: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, of course. All right next question.

Matt: Okay.

Andrew: How about this girl right here.

Audience Member: How do you feel about the way that Harry is portrayed in the trailer? Like he’s a bit cocky.

Jamie: Yeah, he is cocky.

Audience Member: He says, “I am the chosen one.” Whack.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: I think that was a really funny line, though. It was some comic relief and it was…

Jamie: I don’t know, I still stick by this thing where I just don’t think he has the personality for that. I don’t think Harry Potter‘s that kind of thing.

Audience Member: Yeah, that’s true.

Jamie: Can I say that?

Matt: Yeah, I guess.

Andrew: You’re just a hater, man. You’re talking with face paint. What are you saying?

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Looks good.

Audience Member: It’s a Gryffindor lion.

Andrew: Yeah, well. I think it was really funny. Dan’s been really – his acting’s really good. It’s because of Equus. That’s what everyone says.

Jamie: It’s probably because of that.

Matt: If you get naked in front of a full audience, I think your acting had better get real good.

[Audience laughs]

Jamie: You have to be good, yeah. Who here saw Equus?

Audience Member: Me! [laughs]

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: “Me! Woo!”

Jamie: This is a stupid question, but did you enjoy it?

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: She’s crying. She – just had a flashback.

Jamie: The memories that have been brought back now.

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: Wow.

Audience Member: It was really good.

Andrew: It was really good, yeah. It was really good, I think just for the acting. I really believe that.

Jamie: Richard Griffiths is so cool as well.

Andrew: We’ll go right back here, down the aisle. Oh. Hold on, we got a second – got a second microphone.

Jamie: MuggleCast shirt, too.

Andrew: Oh, yeah. Awesome.

Matt: Oh, nice.

Andrew: What’s your name?

Audience Member: Jemma.

Andrew: Jemma.

Audience Member: I was wondering whether you think they are going to make Ron into the comic relief again, in this film.

Andrew: I think he really is.

Matt: Yeah.

Jamie: We saw in the trailer. Didn’t we? Like with Romilda Vane.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: I don’t know.

Matt: I don’t like him when he does comic relief so much.

Jamie: I don’t either.

Matt: They do it all the time. I liked him in Order of the Phoenix because he didn’t have much comic relief.

Andrew: Well, he’s sort of Harry’s wingman so he can do stuff with that.

Matt: Yeah, but…

Andrew: I don’t know. Elysa, do you like it?

Elysa: Yeah, it’s sort of his character, too, in the books in a way.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah but he’s a little cooler in the books.

Elysa: Okay, well. Maybe you should just be cast as Ron then. [laughs]

Matt: I should have!

Andrew: All right, next question.

Audience Member: Hi, I’m going to break a little bit of taboo…

Andrew: Okay.

Audience Member: And ask a question about another podcast

Andrew: Okay.

Audience Member: That has to do with Potter.

Andrew: Uh-oh.

Audience Member: Oh my goodness. Did you guys read Melissa Anelli’s Harry, A History?

Andrew: I started reading it.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: It’s good!

Audience Member: What did you think?

Andrew: It’s good! It’s a good book, Harry, A History. Is it on sale here?

Audience: Yeah.

Andrew: Okay, yeah. It’s a good book! I don’t think anyone else has read it though.

Elysa: No, I haven’t. I want to.

Matt: No, no I haven’t, sorry.

Andrew: No, we burned it!

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: No. Read it, guys, read it. This girl right here. Yeah, Jamie?

Jamie: I was kind of annoyed though, because Andrew and Ben are mentioned. I was getting excited.

Andrew: [laughs] Go ahead, what’s your name?

Audience Member: Hi, I just had a quick question. You know the covers for all the Harry Potter books? I’ll put you on the spot. Which one – individually, actually – do you prefer the American ones or the British ones?

Audience Member: Ooh!

Andrew: I like the English ones because of how colorful they are, I think the artwork’s really good.

Jamie: I think the American ones are pretty shocking to be honest.

[Audience laughs]

Jamie: I really like the English ones. I think they’re kind of childish, the American ones.

Andrew: No – I think the U.K. ones are more childish! They just look – it’s just because of the way they were sketched, you know.

Jamie: Andrew, when you come to London, you’re in our country.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Oh right, I’ll get chucked out the window, stuck on the – what’s that street there? Piccadilly. Piccadilly, yeah. It’s a one-way. How about you guys?

Elysa: Hmm…

Matt: Hmm…

Elysa: I don’t know, I like them both.

Matt: You skipped me!

[Audience laughs]

Elysa: I did skip you! Because you didn’t get on it. I like them both. I think if I had to choose, I’d probably say American just because I like how their color schemes match with the tone of the book.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Yeah. But the images are just – oh sorry, Matt.

Matt: Yeah, let me talk, Jamie!

[Audience laughs]

Jamie: Sorry, Matt.

Matt: I like – I guess I like the American ones better just for the way the people are drawn. I like how the trio’s drawn in the American versions better than the U.K. Although, I like the scenes they draw in the U.K. ones better.

Elysa: Yeah, I was going to say I like the scenes better.

Matt: I like the Deathly Hallows one much better, though, than the American version.

Andrew: Sort of related to this, there was the press unveiling of the Arthur Levine’s copy of Beedle the Bard in New York City today. Did anyone see pictures from that yet? Okay, they just came out a few hours ago because, you know, the time difference, but it’s really weird. They have a – they have the Beedle the Bard, the actual thing and it’s in glass and they have a poster behind it. And the order of the books is really weird, and I feel like the printer screwed it up, because it goes: Sorcerer’s Stone, Order of the Phoenix, Chamber of Secrets, Prisoner of Azkaban, Goblet of Fire, Half-Blood Prince, Deathly Hallows. And it’s like, why are they – why is that? I don’t know. I just noticed that and I was really interested.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: I think it’s interesting. Why would they do that? Anyway, next question. So you guys are all going to go home and look at it and wonder the same thing.

[Audience laughs]

Audience Member: Which story are you looking forward to the most in Beedle the Bard?

Andrew: Ah, that’s a good question. I’ve read that – when reading – did anyone read Amazon’s summaries of the…

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: The one story – I think they said – the one that they said was the craziest was my favorite, and I think it was The Fountain of Fair Fortune

Matt: Yeah, that’s right.

Andrew: …that they said was the craziest one? Or it is, like, the most purest of the fairy tales. I don’t know. What is everyone else looking forward to? Are there any that really stand out specifically?

Audience Member: Babbity Rabbity.

Andrew: Babbity Rabbity. That looks really cool.

Matt: Yeah what is that?

Andrew: I just love the names.

Audience Member: A rabbit with no legs.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: And a stump that cackles.

Matt: Isn’t it – wouldn’t it be more like – Rollaby – Stump…

Andrew: Mm-mm.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: How about you guys? Elysa? Jamie?

Elysa: Oh yeah.

Jamie: I agree with that one.

Elysa: Yeah, I was going to say Babbity Rabbity too, just because I read in a quote that she sort of put herself in a bind because she had come up with the name, and then now she had to form a story around it. So I’m interested to see…

Andrew: Oh yeah! Yeah!

Elysa: …how she does that, yeah. How she pulls that off.

Andrew: That’s true, I forgot about that.

Jamie: I don’t know. I don’t think that sounds very PG.

[Audience and Elysa laughs]

Andrew: “Babbity Rabbity”? You never know. It sounds like an actress’s name, you’re trying to say?

Jamie: No I’m not saying anything.

Andrew: Okay.

[Audience and Matt laugh]

Andrew: All right, another – how about this guy back here.

Audience Member: Just what Jamie’s saying about the other books that have been released before not feeling like Harry Potter books, do you think a Harry Potter book can feel like a true one without Harry? I mean like…

Andrew: Yeah.

Audience Member: Obviously it wouldn’t be a Harry Potter book, but it’s in the – same type of story.

Andrew: Right. Well, like Matt said earlier, at the top it says, “A wizarding classic from the tales of Harry Potter” – “from the world of Harry Potter.”

Jamie: I think it depends on the storyline as well. Like we started off in Philosopher’s Stone we went through to Deathly Hallows and each one continued that saga. I think a book like this has to be a companion book more than – like, it doesn’t really feel like a Harry Potter book because we found out everything that we can find out. Although obviously it’s going to give some extra tid bits of information it’s not going to continue the story.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Well actually, I hope that she writes more books.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: I mean she created that huge Wizarding World and everything, and she’s just going to focus on just one character.

Andrew: Well yeah, I mean…

Matt: I kind of wish she adds on.

Andrew: She has the potential now to write stories about Harry’s children – everyone’s children.

Matt: Yeah.

Elysa: Yeah.

Andrew: And I think it would be really interesting, and everyone – that would sell like crazy.

Jamie: We have to hope that she’s feeling the credit crunch…

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Jamie: …so she has to write to make more money.

Andrew: After that VAT drop, I doubt – I think she’ll be fine.

Jamie: That’s true, yeah.

Andrew: See how I knew that? The signs are everywhere.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: How about this girl right here. Hi, what’s your name?

Audience Member: Emma.

Andrew: Hi Emma.

Audience Member: I’m just kind of going off what you were just saying, do you think that J.K. can’t really let go of Harry Potter?

[Andrew laughs]

Audience Member: She’s like, interview, finish…

Andrew: That’s a good question.

Audience Member: The encyclopedia. Maybe she should go on and do more things?

Jamie: I don’t know. I think she kind of has though, because you know she – the epilogue of Book 7 kind of ended it. Kind of said, how can she really write more after she said what’s going to happen to them. She can write past that point, but I don’t really think she can go back and write before that point.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: I think she kind of let go with that, but I don’t know. Again, if she’s – feeling the pinch…

Andrew: I mean, after you’re doing that for what, ten years, you’ve got to feel like…

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: You can’t let go of it, really. Right?

Elysa: Yeah, I mean, I haven’t let go of it.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] Nobody has.

Elysa: So I’m hoping she…

Andrew: Well yeah, that’s thing too. I mean, I think as long as J.K. Rowling keeps seeing this huge fandom surrounding it – because, you know, the big question around Book 7 was, “Oh, what’s going to happen to the fandom after…” And here we are, almost a year and half later, and nothing’s happened.

Matt: Well, a lot of authors tend to disconnect from their material more than the fans do. Like Tolkien, he actually got upset because he seemed like, he was the only person in the entire, you know, Lord of the Rings

Andrew: Fandom?

Matt: Story that could, that could – not disconnect from the world, except him.

Jamie: You can get exhausted with a character as well as exhausted with a story. I think she probably does want to move on and write something new. Start from the beginning, and also…

Matt: Doesn’t she want to do a crime drama or something? Suspense novel?

Elysa: Yeah, I read that.

Andrew: Suspense?

Matt: Something like that right?

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: That’s going to be awesome.

Andrew: Yeah. Well anything she does now is going to be – it’s going get huge hype around it. Because how could it not? Imagine starting another suspense novel or whatever, and starting this whole trilogy all over again. It won’t be as fun as Harry Potter, but…

Elysa: Didn’t she say though that if she published anything else outside of Harry Potter she was considering…

Andrew: [laughs] A pen name.

Elysa: …using a pseudonym?

Andrew: A what?

Elysa: A pseudonym, like changing her name.

Andrew: Oh.

Matt: To like, Joanne Rowling?

Andrew: Wasn’t she just joking though? I mean.

Elysa: I mean, I couldn’t tell.

Jamie: It would get leaked as well. We’re going to find out.

Andrew: Yeah.

Elysa: Yeah, oh no, I mean, we definitely would.

Andrew: [laughs] Oh yeah, I mean that would be really hard to keep it a secret.

Elysa: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. Stephenie Meyer is actually Stephenie Meyer, for those wondering.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Hi.

Audience Member: Just – this is something a friend of mine and I were talking about. It’s kind of going back to the fandom thing. There’s the Harry Potter books, the literary part of it and how great they are and well written, and then the fandom of it, that you guys are a part of, you know, with the MuggleCast and everything like that. With – keeping all that in mind, how do you guys feel about the theme park coming out?

Matt: I kind of want to see it.

Andrew: What? You can almost see it?

Matt: I want to see it.

Andrew: Oh, yeah, well I think…

Audience Member: Well I think they have some plans…

Andrew: Yeah, yeah yeah.

Matt: Oh. Nice.

Andrew: I’m excited! But like, when this theme park was just a rumor, people were like, “Oh, well that’s sort of really, that’s kind of selling out,” that’s what some people were sort of saying. Because whoever thought Harry Potter would ever be a theme park? And then the theme park was the biggest hint that Harry wouldn’t die, because everyone was saying that, “Oh, well if Harry dies, then nobody would want to go to…” well, people would go, but it’ll be a sad mood if Harry’s dead, and…

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Everyone’s like, “Whee! I’m riding Harry Potter’s Firebolt! And he died.”

[Audience laughs]

Matt: I think it’d be really cool, though. I mean, you could actually go in to the Three Broomsticks or something and actually order a drink.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s pretty sweet.

Matt: That’d be sweet.

Andrew: Now, as U.K. people, do you hesitate with the trip? Because it’s going to be a good…

Audience: No.

Audience Member: Yes!

Andrew: No? Okay.

Matt: No.

Andrew: “Yes”? I heard one “yes.”

Matt: They’ve got time to save up.

Audience Member: Why isn’t in the U.K., though?

Andrew: Because – no offense, but we’ve got Disneyland, we’ve got Disney World…

[Audience Member starts to argue her point]

Andrew: Personally – I think it would have been a lot cooler to do an entire Harry Potter theme park rather than putting it in Universal. Because Universal’s limited.

Jamie: Yeah, but that’s a big deal, doing an entire thing for Harry Potter.

Andrew: Yeah, I know. But think about how many Disney fans, and then think about how many Harry Potter fans there are. Think about how many Universal fans of all those movies that are there, like – what’s there? Dr. Seuss I think, Jurassic Park – I’ve never been there – The Hulk. Yeah, all Univeral movies and stuff like that.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: The Harry Potter thing would reach out.

Matt: It’s a good thing Harry Potter‘s a Universal movie, too.

Andrew: Yeah, that doesn’t make sense, but…

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: I think we have time for a couple more questions. How about this girl over here. [Starts singing] Dead air. Okay, go ahead. What’s your question?

Audience Member: As David Heyman is directing the next films, do you think it will suck as much as Order of the Phoenix did?

Andrew: Yates, you mean.

Audience Member: Compared to the books? Yates.

Andrew: You don’t like it?

Audience Member: No. It was terrible.

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Andrew: Does everyone think David Yates is going to be good – be able to carry it through? I do. I mean, here’s why I’m excited about Half-Blood Prince: I think that – this is the second time we’re seeing a director direct two Harry Potters. And I think Chamber of Secrets did definitely get better after Sorcerer’s Stone. And now David Yates has a lot to look back on, and be like, “Okay, here’s what I can do differently.”

Jamie: Yeah, but he wants them to bring their own style to it. Like, Heyman said, didn’t he, that he wanted every director to not look back? Didn’t he say that? And he wanted everyone to treat their – like, one Harry Potter film as their project and stuff, and not look back to previous films?

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah, but then – that’s why the movies don’t really connect to each other.

Jamie: Well no, yeah, that’s true. They don’t at all. But do you think Half-Blood Prince is going to be good, or do you…

Audience Member: I hope so. The trailer looks good.

Elysa: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, the trailer looks good.

Matt: The trailers always look good, though.

Andrew: Yeah, they do. They really do. Yes?

Audience Member: I just wanted to add a comment to that, because I sensed from all the extras on the DVDs that all the actors really love working with him compared to the director before.

Andrew: Yeah.

Audience Member: And as the movies get more intense, the acting needs to get more intense, so I’m really excited about the nuances for the new movies.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: I think David Yates is – as we’ve seen him – is probably more passionate, and more – wants the fans to like the movie more. Because…

Andrew: You know, I heard that – sorry.

Matt: Sorry. No, go ahead.

Andrew: I heard that too, that Mike Newell didn’t really connect with the kids very well, if that’s who you’re talking about.

Audience Member: He actually yells a lot.

Andrew: Yeah, I heard that somewhere.

Audience Member: I think it was somewhere on the DVD clips.

Andrew: “I yell at the kids! It makes them good! I hate them! Grr! But it makes good acting.” Okay. And we’ll do one final question, and then we’ll start wrapping it up, and then we’ve got Beedle the Bard in 45 minutes. You look like you want to say something. Do you? She’s like, “I don’t know!”

Audience Member: Well, I’m not sure if everyone will agree, but I’m not particularly a big fan of Emma Watson’s Hermione. I feel like the cheeks sometimes are over dramatic. And I just…

Matt: And her eyebrows constantly move.

Audience: Yeah!

[Audience cheers]

Matt: I mean, every time she opens her mouth, they go up.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: I wish we just had a mic on the whole audience, because you just heard all these little, [whispers] “Yes! Yes! Yes!”

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] “Finally, somebody said it!” I think she’s good, but I think in the Half-Blood Prince trailer, that crying was a little “eh.” As we said on the live show, people were very excited about her bushy hair. But I think that just came from being electrocuted or something. Because if you look at…

Elysa: It didn’t look that way in the rest of it.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: What?

Elysa: It didn’t look that way in the rest of it. It was just that one part. I saw the same frame.

Matt: But that one part was heavenly.

[Audience and Elysa laughs]

Andrew: If you look at Seamus standing next to him, I think he looks a little dirtied up.

Elysa: He did.

Andrew: So that’s why…

Matt: His face blew up, that’s why.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Again!

Elysa: His face always blows up.

Matt: Oh, all right, okay. Sorry.

Andrew: Okay, one last – you were – you already went! This is not fair!

Audience Member: I think I know why Hermione’s hair is bushy in that particular scene.

Andrew: Why?

Audience Member: In the book, there’s the description when Harry’s sort of cheating by using the Half-Blood Prince’s potion book. Hermione’s getting more and more frustrated.

Andrew: Oh, right.

Matt: Yeah, yeah! That’s exactly what I said, see?

Audience Member: At one point, she actually pulls out a bit of her own hair to put in the potion. And I might have knew Seamus has been blowing up probably in potions.

Andrew: Cool. That’s a good point. Yep.

Jamie: Very good point.

Andrew: Definitely. All right guys, unfortunately we do have to start wrapping it up. Of course we’re going to hang around and hang out with everyone…

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: …until Beedle the Bard in 45 minutes. We can all have our personal MuggleCasts once we stop recording.

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: [quietly] We’re doing another show, but Waterstone’s doesn’t know!

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Anyway, thank you everyone for coming out tonight. Is everyone so excited for Beedle?

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Real quick, is everyone – I mean, you know, we all stayed up for Book 7, so everyone’s going to stay up all night reading the…

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: I hope it’s substantial.

Matt: Yeah, it will only take you two or three hours.

Andrew: It’s going to be handed to us, and we’re going to be like, “Awww.” [makes fart noise] No, we’re just kidding. We’re very excited. Thank you so much to Waterstone’s. Thank you to the crew who’s been doing this for us, everyone back there. Jill James especially, she’s been coordinating this whole event with us, so thank you very much to her.

[Show music starts]

Matt: Thank you, Jill.

Andrew: And thank you guys for coming. We’ve got lots of t-shirts up here, they’re free. So come on up.

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Thanks again to Alivans.com, too. All right, thanks everybody.

Transcript #163

MuggleCast 163 Transcript


Show Intro


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[Song continues]

[Show music plays]

Andrew: And good morning, ladies and gentlemen! 9:30 a.m. here on a Friday morning here on the West Coast, and just a half an hour ago, Warner Brothers released a brand new Half-Blood Prince trailer. And surprised the fans. Isn’t that right, Matt Britton?

Matt: Yes, they did. Yup, yup, yup.

Andrew: We found out about it last night, but of course they wanted to make it a surprise to the fans. So here we are, a half hour later after the trailer came out. Of course this is a big surprise to the fans, and, frankly, this trailer is awesome.

Matt: Yeah, it is pretty – it’s pretty awesome awesome.

Andrew: Matt and I are here. Eric will be here later on, Micah will be calling in later on. And who knows, maybe a couple of surprises. Penny Gershman from HP Prognostications is going to be joining us very shortly. But right now I want to take some of your calls, because what has happened is, fans were completely surprised by this. It came out of the blue. So start calling in now. The number 1-218-20-MAGIC in the United States. If you’re in the United Kingdom or in Australia, you know the numbers: 020-781-44-0677 in the United Kingdom and in Australia 028-003-5668. So, right now, let’s get in here Penny Gersh from HP Prognostications. I’m going to call her via our little Skype tool.

[Matt hums along with music]

Andrew: Very exciting. Matt?

Matt: What?

Andrew: What was…

Penny: Hey, guys!

Andrew: Hey, hello!

Matt: Penny, hey!

Andrew: Good morning.

Penny: What’s up?

Matt: Oh nothing, just watching the new Half-Blood Prince trailer.


Initial Reactions to Trailer


Andrew: Your initial reactions to the trailer?

Penny: Oh my gosh, I love it!

[Everyone laughs]

Penny: What can we say? I mean, it looks like everything that we wanted it to look. It’s – there’s dark, there’s light, it’s funny, it’s – I’m so excited. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, I know.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Matt, what really stood out for you in this trailer?

Matt: Hermione’s hair.

Andrew: [laughs] Hermione’s…

Matt: It’s actually messy.

Andrew: I know!

Penny: Me too.

Andrew: You can’t help but notice. It was almost like obnoxiously sort of messy.

Matt: It was like – yeah. It was almost like, “You know what? Screw it. I’m going to make the fans happy.” And she just goes in the bathroom and just scrubs her hair.

Andrew: Right.

Penny: Well, the thing is though, I’m wondering – I mean it’s not like that in the entire trailer, so I’m wondering if perhaps maybe there’s some kind of potions accident or something that made her hair like that.

Matt: Maybe.

Penny: Except what excited me though was that we always hear about how Hermione’s hair is so bushy, and we’ve never seen it, except for maybe in the first scene in the first movie.

Andrew: Yeah.

Penny: So it’s exciting to actually finally see it.

Matt: But we only see it in that one scene. So – I mean – we know in the book that she get – that Hermione’s a little jealous of Harry, so maybe she was like up all night trying to study and trying to one-up Harry, and then she probably just didn’t have time to do her hair.

Andrew: Maybe.

Penny: With the Felix Felicis or something.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: It is kind of – Penny, could – I don’t know of you saw my IM, but can you put on headphones, if you have some?

Penny: Yeah, you want to cut me off for a few minutes?

Andrew: Sure.

Penny: Because I had headphones on and then I couldn’t hear you guys, so…

Andrew: Sure.

Matt: Okay.

Andrew: All right. So…

Matt: So, Andrew, what did you think about the trailer? I mean, what was your favorite part? What really stood out?

Andrew: The beginning. No, I have to say – well, you brought this up to me while we were talking when we first saw the trailer – the color in this is very – I want to say saturated?

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: It just looks very warm…

Matt: It looks like an inkwell painting or something.

Andrew: Yeah. Well, it’s funny, because I guess we’re – in a way we’re comparing it to the trailer that leaked a few weeks ago.

Matt: But this one actually had all the CGI in it.

Andrew: Yeah, exactly. [laughs] The Quidditch, too, looks quite surprising, because there’s that one funny shot of Ron just like.

Matt: “Whoo!”

Andrew: He’s sort of like in X formation…

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: …with his body. [laughs]

Matt: “Yeah!” That’s probably when he has the Felix Felicis.

Andrew: Do you think so?

Matt: Yeah, because he’s having a good time. It’s the only time we ever see him happy.

Andrew: Oh, that’s right.

Matt: Because he’s always nervous. But also in the Quidditch scene you can see Ginny.

Andrew: You can?

Matt: I never knew that was Ginny.

Andrew: Where?

Matt: At the very end.

Andrew: Of what?

Matt: You see “Weasley.” If – when they’re all in formation, she’s the last person to join the crowd.

Andrew: Really?

Matt: Yeah, it says “Weasley” and she has long red hair.


Call: Comic Relief


Andrew: Sasha, good morning, you’re on MuggleCast Live.

Caller: Oh, hold on, let me just mute first.

Matt: Okay.

Andrew: Oh, thank you.

Caller: I just wanted to say that I’m really happy with this trailer. I think…

Matt: Mhm.

Caller: …compared with some of the other ones this one has so much comic relief than all the trailers for the other movies…

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: …and I think it’s really great for such a serious film that I was expecting it to be.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah, I agree with you, it is a good balance.

Andrew: Question though. I want your reaction though. When you first heard or saw that there was a new trailer, how did you react?

Caller: I was jumping up and down.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Caller: I was really, really excited.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Caller: I mean, it’s been really slow with the news and everything with Harry Potter.

Andrew: Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Caller: About time for a trailer.

Andrew: Yeah. All right, Sasha. Thank you.

Matt: Thank you so much, Sasha.

Caller: Yeah, you too.

Andrew: All right, bye.

Matt: Bye.


The Trailer Was a Surprise


Andrew: All right, Penny, you’re back. Penny, we were just talking about how much of a surprise it was.

Penny: The trailer in general?

Andrew: Yeah. What were your reactions when I told you?

Penny: That they brought it now?

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Penny: Okay. Well, first of all, my first reaction was that this movie is coming out in July, so it’s still once again, as much as we – you know – we thought this was going to happen by the end of this month, it’s a really long time away, so that was my first reaction of, “I’m excited, but once again, this kills me because we’re not going to see the movie until July.”

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Right.

Penny: Also, because we had just had that leaked trailer a few weeks ago, I was sort of surprised that this one came out. I don’t know if you guys felt that same way.

Andrew: Me too, but here’s the big thing with this trailer. [laughs] This really brings it full circle. They’re releasing it – they’re putting it in front of Twilight, which is kind of funny.

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: And when we were told about this yesterday, I was on the phone with WB, and I was like, “So you going to put something in the beginning of the trailer that’s like ‘Yeah, so you were supposed to see this movie with Twilight, but – or to see this movie today, but here’s a little trailer anyways. Sorry. LOLs.'” [laughs]

Penny: Yeah, and in some ways – in some ways it’s offensive to the Harry Potter fans, but in other ways, it’s great, especially for the ones who are going to go see it. I mean, how many of us are going to go see it the Twilight movie anyway?

Andrew: Right.

Matt: Yeah, totally.

Penny: So many.

Matt: Nobody.

Penny: It’s – yeah, nobody. None. [laughs]

Andrew: I think…

Penny: Go ahead.

Andrew: I think this is a – quite frankly, a pure gift from Warner Brothers, because anyone seeing Twilight is not on the fence about seeing Harry Potter. You know everyone seeing Twilight is going to see Harry Potter, so why is WB doing this? I think, in a way, it’s to say, “Hey look, we’re sorry, you know, we delayed the movie, here’s a new trailer.”

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: And I think that’s great.

Penny: Can you imagine what the fans’ reaction’s going to be when they go in for Twilight and they first see this trailer?

Andrew: [laughs] I know.

Matt: Oh, I would – I would laugh my freaking butt off if that happens.

Andrew: Well…

Penny: It’s going to be amazing.

Andrew: Yeah. And if [laughs] they’ll like the trailer so much, they’ll be like “Oh, crap, I wish this came out before Twilight.”

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Penny: Hopefully Twilight will be able to live up to the trailer, but that’s another discussion.

Andrew: Yes…

Matt: Yeah.


The Focus on Slughorn


Andrew: …that is. This trailer had a pretty heavy focus on Slughorn. It was only a minute – what, about a minute and a half?

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: And there was a big focus on Slughorn and Ron. Matt, what’d you think of that?

Matt: Of what? I’m sorry.

Andrew: Just the big focus of Slughorn and Ron.

Matt: The Slughorn? Well, I mean, it’s about time. It’s the one character that we really introduce, and I think it was needed.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: I mean, it’s not really heavily focused, we just see – the only reason why you probably think it’s heavily focused is because you actually hear them introduce him in the trailer. Like, this is Professor Slughorn.

Andrew: Yeah.


The End of the Trailer


Matt: What I really like about this trailer though, is that there’s no narration; it’s Dumbledore speaking over everything. It just seems a little more dramatic that way, I think.

Andrew: Yeah, definitely. What also I thought was interesting – this is just a random thing, but it was an initial reaction sort of thing. At the end of this trailer – you know with the trailer that leaked, at the end there’s that very last clip: “Well, I am the Chosen One.” At the end of this trailer there’s music, and it just sort of trails off, and you’re expecting a clip at the end. But…

Matt: Yeah!

Andrew: But then it just goes pfft, July.

Penny: I had the exact same thought, exactly.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: Oh, it’s like, you tease!

Andrew: Yeah.

Penny: You know what? In some cases I think it’s more powerful this way. The last trailer was so serious, and then you got that last clip thing, and then it shows the – that, “I’m the Chosen One” clip, and it’s almost just sort of like a letdown.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Penny: After that one.


The Half-Blood Prince


Matt: The very last clip, though, you see, right before Harry Potter, is Snape conjuring some spell that has some green stuff coming out.

Andrew: Oh! I got so excited when I saw Snape in this trailer. [laughs] He looks…

Penny: One that I just realized is there’s still no mention of the Half-blood Prince or anything having to do with that plot-line.

Andrew: You’re right, yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: But, I mean, there are some really cool shots in this trailer.


The Cave Scene


Matt: Yeah. We get to see the Inferi.

Andrew: Crawling up to Dumbledore! I mean, oh my God! That’s so cool! What’s the time code on that?

Matt: Oh, I’m on QuickTime, so it doesn’t have a time code.

Andrew: Oh. Okay. Right. 1:33. You see these guys crawling out of the lake up to Dumbledore. Oh man, is that cool.

Matt: It’s kind of…

Andrew: And then there’s the shot of Harry grabbing on to Dumbledore’s hand.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: And Harry protecting Dumbledore. Oh man!

[Penny laughs]

Matt: It’s pretty freaking sweet.

Andrew: It’s really great.


Hermione Crying


Matt: Can we talk about for a second how sad it was – I mean, we only saw it for a clip – but Hermione crying.

Andrew: Oh yeah! [laughs]

Matt: Was it – that was a good cry.

Andrew: Yeah, I’m laughing – go ahead, Penny.

Penny: I completely disagree with you there.

Matt: Really?

Penny: I think that – I thought that – I think that it looked like – I think that it could potentially be a powerful clip, but I thought that Emma Watson just didn’t pull off crying.

Andrew: I couldn’t help but laugh a little bit. I agree with Penny there. [laughs] The laughing is – I mean I guess we don’t know the context of it, though, so we don’t know…

Matt: Well, I’m looking at it in HD and her eyes are all red.

Andrew: If this is where Dumbledore died or something, then I’ll be crying along with her… [laughs] …because – I don’t know. You don’t feel for her, Penny?

Penny: Oh, I completely feel for her, I just don’t…

Matt: I don’t…

Penny: …like her…

Matt: I don’t think her – this is – oh, sorry, Penny!

Penny: No, go ahead.

Matt: I don’t think this is the death of Dumbledore. I think this is when she gets upset with Ron.

Penny: I was actually trying to figure that out, because she’s wearing that little Hogwarts t-shirt…

Matt: The Gryffindor tee, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, it’s a little dressed-down thing.

Penny: Pajamas? It might have been pajamas or something, I don’t know.

Matt: But, then again, everyone was in pajamas when the Death Eaters stormed the castle.

Penny: Right, that’s what I was thinking.

Matt: Huh. I just don’t know.

Andrew: Yeah, because I guess if it was when Dumbledore died, she may have been dressed in something a little nicer.

Penny: No! Because it was the middle of the night, wasn’t it?

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: There’s no what?

Matt: It was in the middle of the night.

Penny: Yeah, it was the middle of the night.

Andrew: No – oh, sorry, I’m meaning before the funeral. How about the shot of Snape turning around and seeing Draco, and – I don’t know who those are down there – attacking Hagrid’s hut.

Matt: It’s Bellatrix conjuring the fire. On the left.

Andrew: On Hagrid’s hut?

Matt: Yes, see her on the left?

Andrew: Oh! Oh yeah, damn, you can hardly see her. And finally, we’re also seeing shots of Millennium Bridge, which they were filming at a few weeks ago. Sorry, what am I saying? Over a year ago they were filming at Millennium Bridge and we had countless amounts of pictures and such.

Matt: It’s very sombre music too, during the trailer. It’s – you hear a piano being played the entire time.

Andrew: Yeah. I don’t know.

Matt: It’s awesome. I hate these trailers; they just get me too excited.

Andrew: Why?

Matt: Well, the Harry Potter trailers; they’re like the best trailers of any movie franchise I’ve ever seen.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: But, it just gets me too excited, and I have to wait another five months.

Andrew: Yeah, well, Eric’s going to be joining…

Penny: Longer than five months.

Andrew: What’s that, Penny?

Penny: It’s longer than five months.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: Eric’s going to be joining us soon. And yeah, like – the thing is, whenever you get these trailers, yeah, you do get excited, but then I can’t help but think, “Oh, people already saw this.” And like their excitement is sort of already over.

Matt: Well, Eric’s going to tell us if there’s any change.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Because I – I don’t think that the whole CGI part, with the – with the memory at the – at the orphanage when
Dumbledore was walking, I don’t think they had that inkwell effect.

Andrew: What’s the inkwell effect?

Matt: You see – it’s just like all these little – smoke coming out from everyone.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Everywhere. I – because that wasn’t in the trailer. Or in the teaser trailer. That – it was just pure black
and white.


Ron as Comic Relief


Andrew: Yeah. And what did you guys think of – does Ron do the “in love” thing a lot, or are we going to get sick of
it throughout the movie?

Penny: Yeah, my question was, in the first four movies, Ron was used as comic relief all the time.

Andrew: Yes.

Penny: And then the fifth one I thought they did a really good job transferring that to that Nigel kid…

Andrew: Yeah.

Penny: …and Ron was able to be a little more serious. And I’m a little bit nervous that they’re going to go back to using him…

Andrew: Yeah.

Penny: …as comic relief.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Well, we really only see him in that one scene where he is under the Felix Felicis.

Andrew: Right.

Matt: So I don’t think that was really fair of them to give that one shot of him for us.

Andrew: And, oh, and then we actually see Luna with her Spectre…

Matt: Yes!

Andrew: …things. Which look…

Penny: They look awesome.

Andrew: Yeah, they did.

Matt: They look amazing.

Andrew: They look so cool.

Matt: I’m really excited that they – that they added the gargoyles in front of the castle. Those will just be so
much more awesome for the big battle in Deathly Hallows.

Andrew: Why? Do you think they’re going to come to life? But, I mean, the way – they change things in this movie very frequently.

Matt: But they’d never done that before. I mean, they’ve never shown the gargoyles at the entrance gate.


Slughorn and Young Tom Riddle


Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. I liked the flashback of Slughorn when he’s talking to young Tom Riddle, correct?

Matt: Where he tells him to get out?

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Penny: Didn’t he…

Matt: “It’s a lie!”

Andrew: It like – no, go ahead, Penny.

Penny: In the book, wasn’t – didn’t he originally give a messed up memory he – changed the memory, correct?

Matt: Yeah.

Penny: So do you think they’re going to do it like that?

Andrew: I think so because doesn’t Dumbledore say in this…

Andrew and Matt: “Its a lie.” Yeah.

Penny: Yeah, right. Okay.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: Because…

Andrew: “It’s a lie!”

Matt: Yeah, because it’s – it ends right when he says, “Get out.”

Andrew: Right.

Penny: I honestly haven’t watched it enough times to really…

Andrew: I know.

Penny: …absorb it.

Andrew: I know. There’s so much – like…


Pacing of the Trailer


Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: As I watched – another initial reaction thing I had – as I’m watching the trailer, it sort of started off a little slow. Like in terms of clip-wise. But then as you start getting to the end, it picks up more and more and it’s like…

Matt: Well, thats what a typical trailer does though. I mean it just shows you a climatic – or as just as many
scenes as they can probably push in.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. It’s really cool.

Matt: It’s really cool though. I just love that one scene where – that one shot with Harry and Hermione on Dumbledore’s office looking out to the Great Lake. It’s – I mean, I’m afraid its going to be another, “I’m scared for you” kind of scene, but it looks really nice. It’s just the whole saturation you said, Andrew, just about the way everything looks. It just looks – it looks really nice. I really – I’m really liking this.

Andrew: Yeah. And the music I thought was more epic than ever.

Matt: Yeah. It’s really nice. I really love the whole – the whole piano stuff they’ve been playing into it. Like right after – I think it was with – when Dumbledore and Harry go through – what is it called when – when you – when you transport?

Penny: Apparate.

Matt: Apparate! Thank God, oh geez. It’s still early. When Dumbledore and Harry Apparate, and they land in the office, there’s this little piano thing going on with really high pitched keys.

Andrew: Mhm.

Matt: It’s just so cool. It’s just like – it’s like you’re just all stepping into this huge epic story.

Andrew: Yeah.

Penny: Yeah, and I think it definitely feels more powerful than any of the other ones before, and I think that – and obviously that’s very symbolic for what’s happening in this one. Especially because Half Blood Prince and Deathly Hallows were really, you know, two parts of one story.

Matt: Yeah.

Penny: And you know – and that really just – it’s the climax of the story.

Matt: Yeah. So basically, this is like part one of the three-part story.

Penny: Exactly.

Matt: Because you get introduced to all the Deathly Hallows and then it just all goes out from there.

Andrew: Right.

Matt: Or not the Deathly Hallows, the Horcruxes.

Penny: [unintelligible] …Horcrux, didn’t we?

Andrew: You’re a movie ahead.

Matt: Yeah. I’m sorry, I’m just really excited for the next movie.

Andrew: I feel like calling Ben or someone and pranking them into thinking like – just be like: “Ben, we just got this trailer and at the end it says November 21st.” And then, “Warner Brothers surprised everyone and said that the movie actually is coming out November 21st.”

Matt: They wouldn’t believe that.

Andrew: I think he would.

Matt: No, he wouldn’t.

Andrew: I think he would.

Matt: No, he wouldn’t.

Andrew: But he’d be cursing too much. [laughs] We obviously can’t put that on.

[Andrew and Matt laughs]

Matt: Isn’t it cool, though, we got to see Seamus get exploded again? It’s been a couple of movies.

Penny: Yes.

Matt: I thought it was really cute.

Penny: It’s come full circle, sort of.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah. It’s like, “We’re going to bring back a couple things that you loved from the other films.”

Andrew: Exactly.

Matt: What do you think about the Death Mark? Above the castle? It’s a little different…

Andrew: Dark Mark?

Matt: The Dark Mark. You know what? I fail.


Call: The Death Eaters


Andrew: Let me try – hold on – let me try one more call. Karen, good morning. You’re on MuggleCast Live.

Caller: Hey, guys!

Matt: Hey!

Andrew: Hey! What’s going on?

Caller: Not much. I can only talk for a minute because I have to go to class, but it was really awesome.

Andrew: Isn’t it?

Matt: Isn’t it?

Andrew: What was your reaction when you found out that the trailer was online?

Caller: I was kind of in disbelief and then I like clicked it and I wanted to wait for the whole thing to load before I watched it because I didn’t want it to stop in the middle…

Andrew: Right.

Caller: …but then it was taking – because I clicked like one of the really big ones – and so it took like a minute to load and so I was getting so nervous, and then I watched it, and it was amazing.

Andrew: Right. [laughs] Yeah. It’s very exciting. So you have class or something in a few minutes or something?

Caller: Yeah, I can talk for like a minute though.

Andrew: Oh, okay. Well, when you go to class are you going to be spreading the word? Because I mean this was WB’s…

Karen: Yes.

Andrew: …intention. They need – wanted a big boom. A big “Oh my God.”

Matt: Mhm.

Caller: Yes.

Andrew: Was there anything else that stood out in the trailer for you?

Caller: I thought it was really awesome how they had all the black smoke everywhere, and then they had – when they had all the black smoke like going through London, were those Dementors? Or were those Death Eaters, do you think?

Matt: Those are Death Eaters, I think.

Andrew: Yeah, I think so too.

Matt: Yeah. Which is kind of bothering me, because why would they do that when the Muggles never really saw anything? I thought the Death Eaters were like in the crowd when it happened.

Andrew: Anyway, any other reactions, Karen?

Caller: I’m just going to be kind of a nerd here and say that the design on the back of The Quibbler is kind of amazing.

[Andrew and Karen laugh]

Matt: Isn’t it?

Caller: Because I watched it in ridiculous high quality.

Matt: You can see the big 3-D thing coming out. It’s so cool.

Andrew: They should print legit Quibblers or something.

Matt: I think that’d be really cool.

Caller: They totally should.

Andrew: Yeah, to promote the movie and hand them out at theaters or something like that.

Penny: I’m sure they will.

Andrew: That’d be very cool. Yeah. All right, Karen, thank you. And for everyone who doesn’t know – I don’t know if we ever said this, I think we did – but Karen designed our excellent Portus shirts, but we had a Portus printing shirt problem so that never turned out. But, Karen, thanks for doing that for us.

Matt: Aw, thanks, Karen.

Caller: Yep.

Andrew: We’re sorry it didn’t work out. All right, well thanks for calling in, Karen.

Caller: Mhm. Talk to you guys later.

Matt: Have fun in class.

Andrew: Okay, bye.

Caller: Bye.

Andrew: Thank goodness I did not have class today. Penny, do you have class today?

Penny: Do I have class today? Do I have work today?

[Andrew laughs]

Penny: No, I only work the beginning of the week.


Call: Bellatrix


Andrew: Oh okay. Shivani, good morning. You’re on MuggleCast Live.

Caller: Hi.

Andrew: Hi. How are you?

Caller: I’m good.

Andrew: What was your initial reactions to the trailer?

Caller: I was blown away. I was actually studying for a physics exam I have today so I had no idea I’d see a trailer.

Matt: [laughs] God, physics.

Caller: So that was amazing.

Andrew: Awesome.

Caller: I actually wanted to bring up that one scene on the tower where Bellatrix conjures the Dark Mark.

Matt: Uh-huh.

Caller: Because when I – from what I remember, she’s not supposed to be there.

Andrew: Why wasn’t she supposed to be there? Just because she was hiding? I’m forgetting.

Caller: Well, on the tower, isn’t it just Malfoy, Fenrir Greyback…

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Is that even the Astronomy Tower?

Andrew: It must be.

Caller: It has to be Hogwarts.

Andrew: Yeah, because Fenrir’s there. Isn’t he in that shot there?

Matt: Oh yeah.

Andrew: [burps] Excuse me. [laughs] You know what? WB makes these subtle changes just to make it work with the plot more, so maybe that was why. I mean, in all honesty, it does look pretty, in Mikey’s words, “epic” to see her casting it from atop the tower, don’t you think?

Matt: Yeah.

Caller: Right, but do you think that will change anything with the fact that Snape is supposed to be there and she’s not supposed to be know like the full details of that?

Andrew: That’s true.

Matt: Well, Snape’s not there though. Maybe this is afterwards, after the fight, and she could have climbed up on the Astronomy Tower and that’s how they left or something.

Andrew: In the…

Matt: Because I don’t remember Bellatrix – does Bellatrix leave with Snape?

Caller: At the very end, yes.

Matt: Oh, geez.

Andrew: The way I always pictured it in the book – weren’t they on the top top? Like there wasn’t even sort of like a cove like this. It wasn’t like a window looking out. Wasn’t it on top where you could just – like there was no walls?

Matt: Mmm, no.

Andrew: Isn’t that how it’s illustrated in the book?

Matt: I don’t think so. I don’t think so. I don’t know.

Andrew: Well…

Matt: The very top of the Astronomy Tower? Where Dumbledore got killed?

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Well, no. Dumbledore got thrown through the window, I think.

Andrew: Was it? Because when I read the book, I always pictured it as being the very top. Because they were looking out with binoculars – sorry, telescopes.

Matt: Yeah, you’re right.

Andrew: I don’t know.

Matt: I don’t know.

Andrew: All right.

Caller: Yeah, I thought he fell over, I guess, the battlements or something. I think he just fell right over. There wasn’t a window.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s what I thought too. All right, well, Shivani, thank you for calling in. Oh, and what was your initial reaction when you came online and you saw it?

Caller: Surprise, completely. I thought – we just got the leaked trailer not long ago, so it’s kind of a shocker to have like two trailers so soon.

Andrew: Yeah, exactly. Well, it’s very exciting, and, Shivani, you have a good day.

Caller: You too. Thank you.

Matt: Bye.

Andrew: Bye. All right, there was Shivani who enjoyed the trailer very much. If you do want to call in and get your opinions here on the show, our phone-line doesn’t seem to be working, so use the MuggleCast Skype name. It’s just MuggleCast, and you Skype call it. The number does not seem to be working. If you are just joining us, there’s 160 people now, and when we first started the show there was like 50. Of course, the Half-Blood Prince trailer was released this morning by surprise to all Harry Potter fans, and everyone was very excited, including our next caller, Sophie. Good morning.


Call: Hermione’s Hair


Caller: Hey, what’s up?

Matt: Hey.

Andrew: Hey, what’s up? You were…

Caller: Sorry.

Andrew: …surprised – plug in your headphones or something so there’s no feedback, please.

Caller: I turned down the volume.

Andrew: Oh perfect, even better.

[Sophie laughs]

Andrew: So your reaction: You go online, you see a headline, “New Half-Blood Prince Trailer.” How do you react?

Matt: What goes on through your mind?

Andrew: What goes through…

Caller: [laughs] Oh my gosh, I was so excited. I got your guys’ update on Facebook.

Andrew: Oh, perfect. I knew those were handy! I never knew if anyone was looking at them. [laughs] Well that’s great.

Caller: Yeah, so immediately I logged onto MuggleCast, and I was downloading the HD one, so that sort of took awhile, but it amped me up. I was ready.

Andrew: It’s worth it right? The HD quality?

Caller: Yeah, it was amazing, I loved it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: It was so much better than the last two.

Andrew: Oh my God.

Matt: Yeah. I have to say, there’s no fire in this. I’m so relieved.

Andrew: No, there is. There’s the shot of Dumbledore.

Matt: But not as much.

Andrew: Oh, oh I get it. [laughs]

Matt: Not in every other scene.

Andrew: If you count the fireplace shots and stuff, there is a good amount of fire. I’m just kidding.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Anyway, Sophie, was there anything that really stuck out to you or anything?

Caller: I really liked the Hermione and the frizzy hair. I know you guys already talked about that.

[Andrew laughs]

Caller: I appreciated seeing it. I think everyone else did too.

Andrew: That’s the news of the day, isn’t it?

Caller: [laughs] Everyone’s freaking out.

Andrew: Anyway, Penny and Sophie, Matt and I, quite honestly, we don’t have long hair. We don’t know how to manage that. Sophie, by your Skype picture, it looks like you do have long hair.

[Sophie laughs]

Andrew: What do you think it took for them to do that, and why do you think it’s taken so long?

Caller: I don’t know. Like personally, with my hair, that would never happen, because it doesn’t work like that.

Andrew: [laughs] Are you saying Hermione had a bad hair day?

Caller: Maybe. She might have woken up on the wrong side of the bed.

[Andrew laughs]

Caller: I don’t know, but it must have taken probably like an hour to get it that frizzy.

[Andrew laughs]

Penny: They could just have stuck a ton of spray in her hair while it was wet, and she woke up and it was frizzy like that.

Matt: Or blew up like five balloons and started just rubbing it against her hair.

Penny: I don’t think this was like a major CGI effect or anything that we’re dealing with.

Matt: I don’t know. Her hair is pretty pixelated.

Caller: I also want to say, I love Harry and Ginny. Finally like a bit longer of a scene with them maybe?

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: Still not focusing on them very much.

Penny: No, they’re not, and I just also hope that like within Order of the Phoenix, the way that they did Cho’s kiss was you almost thought that he was going to end up with Cho, and there was such drama leading up to it.

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Penny: I really hope that they do a decent job with the Ginny one, because that’s the one that’s important.

Caller: I hope that they have really good chemistry, because I know she really played like the little awkward-in-love-with-him girl really well, but I’m excited to see how she’s going to play the actual girlfriend.

Andrew: Yeah, back very quickly to this bushy hair. If you look at the shot, Seamus is also like pretty scruffed up, so maybe there was like some sort of like explosion or something and that’s why her hair is bushy. [laughs]

Matt: Yeah, maybe.

Penny: Unfortunately, though.

Caller: I think you just have a thing for this bushy hair.

Andrew: Yeah, I do.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: What can I say?

Matt: Well, maybe she had to look different by comparison because Lavender’s on the other side of Ron.

Andrew: That’s true too. Lavender’s…

Penny: But then they shouldn’t have given Lavender Brown curly hair, but…

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Or blonde.

Andrew: She’s got the bow to differentiate I guess.

[Sophie laughs]

Penny: Yeah, but have you seen how many comments on YouTube for the last trailer? People have been going crazy about “Ron and Hermione kissing,” and I’m like …

Caller: I know, they totally did that on purpose.

Penny: …no, that’s not her.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: I don’t think they realized what they were doing actually. [laughs]

Caller: I think they’re trying to play up like if you haven’t read the books, you’re going to be like a dumb fan and be like, “Oh my god, Ron’s kissing Hermione!”

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah, it’s like, “Oh you’re a fan of the movies, you’re not a fan of the books.”

Caller: Exactly. [laughs]

Andrew: Sex sells.

MuggleCast 163 Transcript (continued)


Ron’s X Formation


Penny: Which brings us to the – can we talk about it? That Ron scene on the broom?

Andrew: What? What about it exactly? [laughs]

Penny: It made me really uncomfortable. [laughs]

Andrew: Just that his position? His X formation?

Penny: Yeah. Just take a look at it.

Caller: I thought it looked adorable.

Matt: Yeah, we’ve seen it. I’ve seen it.

Andrew: Sophie thinks he looks adorable.

Caller: I do.

Andrew: Sophie.

Matt: He looks…

Caller: Me and my friends are really happy that we’re finally seeing him playing Quidditch. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. The CGI looks a lot better too compared to other films, and I was saying this the last live show, they didn’t have Quidditch in Movie 5, so hopefully they would have upped the quality of the Quidditch CGI-wise, and it certainly looks like they’ve done that.

Caller: Yeah, it [unintelligible].

Andrew: Plus it’s snowing, which gives it a nice effect. It makes the – the snow really makes the Quidditch players stand out a lot too and as they’re playing, because it’s white against the red.


Apparition


Caller: And also with the CGI, the Apparition looks amazing.

Andrew: It’s very cool.

Matt: Yeah. I really like it.

Caller: Really like bendy. I don’t even know what that is. [laughs]

Andrew: Well, it’s sort of like – I have to replay it again. I have to find it.

Matt: I keep thinking like, it looks like a straw just sucking them all up.

Andrew: Exactly.

Caller: Yeah, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, here, I found it. It’s about – oh geez, I don’t even know what I’m looking at now. I think I passed it. It’s about fifteen – yeah here we go – fifteen seconds in. Just grabs the arm. Yeah, it’s like a straw. It’s kind of cool.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: It’s sort of like a transition you would see in iMovie when the video gets sucked into the center.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: The transition. I don’t even know if any of you guys have seen that in iMovie HD, but there’s lots of that. All right, well, Sophie, thank you for calling in.

Caller: You’re welcome.

Andrew: All right. And, Sophie, I can’t hang up on you so feel free to hang up on me.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Caller: Good to talk to you.

Andrew: Good talking to you too. Oh geez.


Fenrir Greyback


Matt: You know what? We get to see Fenrir Greyback too. His full-on face in this trailer.

Andrew: Yeah. What do you think about it? I mean, we sort of saw it.

Matt: He looks all – yeah, but there’s actually light showing on his face.

Andrew: He’s scary.

Matt: Yeah, he’s not a very attractive man.

Andrew: [laughs] He’s not supposed to be either.

Matt: Yeah, well, you know, it’s all…

Andrew: Is he wearing a tie? What is that thing? I’m looking at 1:34.

Matt: Yeah, I’m at it too. I think he’s shirtless.

Andrew: Oh, that’s right. That’s his hair. Duh.

Matt: [laughs] Bushy hair.

Andrew: They should have made him sort of like the Joker character. You know how Dark Knight, Joker was this crazy guy?

Matt: You want him to cut his lips?

Andrew: No! [laughs] No, but just like insane somehow.

Matt: Well maybe. I mean, we haven’t seen anything from him. All we see him is just turning to the side a little bit.

Andrew: Yeah. True, true.

Penny: Wait, is that him though? And I don’t have anything time stamped, but in – it must be – I think it must be near the Burrow scene probably, but there’s somebody just in the middle of all these high, tall grass.

Matt: Yeah, that’s him.

Andrew: In this new trailer?

Penny: That’s right?

Matt: Flicking off this white spell.

Penny: Yeah, is that what it is?

Matt: Yeah.

Penny: He almost looks like he’s got like a Klingon forehead a little bit. Do you see that?

Matt: It’s his hair. I mean, his whole face is pretty much covered with hair. I think that’s what it is.

Penny: Uh-huh.

Andrew: What’s the time stamp of that, Matthew?

Matt: It’s a 1:34.

Andrew: Oh, I see. Maybe they forgot to put makeup on his wig to cover the seams so that’s what – doesn’t it sort of look like a hair net? Like, at the cafeteria?

Matt: Yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Penny: I will say that he does look scary, which is good.

Matt: Yeah, he does not look like someone I want to hang out with.

Andrew: Fenrir the lunch lady.

Matt: He has a huge gash between his left nostril all the way down to his chin.

Andrew: Yeah, so he is kind of Joker-like. I know that sounds weird, but…

Matt: Oh, it’s not a gash it’s just – just a something – a piece of hair on the film or something.

Andrew: Yeah.

Penny: It might be a piece of blood also. I think I remember in the book it said that he smelled of blood and…

Andrew: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Penny: So…

Andrew: There’s another Joker comparison. Joker loves blood. Sorry, I just miss Dark Knight a lot right now.

Matt: Yeah.


Favorite Trailer


Andrew: Penny, how would this trailer rank in your opinion of the top trailers? Of the Half-Blood Prince trailers, and then we’ll go round the table about favorite trailers overall.

Penny: This is definitely my – I mean – you can’t compare this without these two because it’s a trailer, not a teaser, first of all.

Andrew: Right.

Penny: And I think they just did a great job, really just getting a lot of the movie.

Andrew: Absolutely. Oh, I guess it’s my turn. [Andrew laughs] I think – yeah, this is my favorite too. And I have to say, the first trailer, the teaser trailer, left such a mood. It had such a theme to it. But this one is more of the classic trailer that we all like to see with tons of different action, whether it’s love and lust. And, Matt, you said this is your favorite trailer too?

Matt: I – well, no I didn’t, but yeah, it is.

Andrew: Well, you said it’s one of yours. Eric!

Eric: Hello.

Andrew: Good morning, Eric.

Matt: Hello, Eric.

Eric: Good morning! Good morning, Matt! Good morning, Andrew! Good morning, Penny!


Eric Joins the Show


Andrew: Hold on. Hold on, let me call you. Sorry, I did that by accident, I’m sorry. [laughs] Geez. Eric is now joining us via Skype. Hi, Eric.

Eric: Hello.

Andrew: Eric, I don’t know if you’ve heard, but the new trailer came out this morning.

Eric: Sweet.

Andrew: Have you watched it yet?

Eric: No I have not. I have just gotten home.

Andrew: Technically, though, you could say yes because you’ve already seen the movie.

Eric: Well…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: …it’s the way they splice them.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: It’s not the scenes.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah. And for any of you who doesn’t know, Eric was lucky enough to catch a screening of Half-Blood Prince[laughs] …it’s so weird to say, two months ago. It was two months ago, right? About two months ago?

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: Guys, you have it in a zip it’s so big?

Andrew: That’s what WB gave it to us as.

Eric: Dude, that’s awesome.

Andrew: Look at the Quicktime versions. Those aren’t zipped.

Matt: Geez. [unintelligible] is just amazing.

Eric: Okay. So what have you seen? I mean, what…

Matt: Oh, we’ve seen the whole movie so far. I mean, it has everything.

Eric: I mean, overall, what’s your one word impression of this trailer?

Matt: Epic.

Andrew: Adrenaline. Yeah, towards the end – Matt and I were watching it together, and towards the end it really picks up and you start getting really excited.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: It’s like BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!

Matt: And my essential reaction I can’t really say because we’re live and it’s censored, but let’s just say I said every word in the Bible. And in the dictionary.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Wow. That must have taken you like a bajillion hours.

Andrew: Yeah. I must have been really focused because I didn’t hear a single one.

Eric: Hmm. Well, it is loading here, this MOV. How long is it?

Andrew: It’s about a minute and a half.

Matt: It’s about a minute and forty-five seconds.

Andrew: Yes. Now let’s get some more callers in. Guys, please call in, username Skype. For some reason our phone numbers aren’t working, but Skype the username MuggleCast to get people’s reactions. Since this was a big trailer surprise, on MuggleNet I made a post along with the trailer post, I said tape your initial reactions, because those are always fun to watch. Nicole! Good morning! You’re on MuggleCast Live!


Call: The Music


Caller: Hi!

Everybody: Hey!

Caller: Oh, that was a surprise. I didn’t think I would get through. [laughs]

Andrew: Oh trust me, there are not many calls coming in right now.

Matt: Everyone’s in class.

Caller: Yeah, I know, I’m lucky. I literally turned on the computer and I saw that it was on. It was amazing.

Andrew: Yeah. Okay. Yeah, so was that your initial reaction? Did you scream? Was there any sort of – did you pee your pants? What happened exactly?

Caller: Well, I was in my Corporate Accounting class, and I looked on Twitter, and I saw a thing announce it, and I go back to my room, and I literally had to read it like four times, I couldn’t believe it. I thought it was old or something.

Andrew: Nice, nice. Anything you want to discuss concerning the trailer?

Caller: I loved the music, especially the end. It’s just – “Hedwig’s Theme,” it just sounded different. Like it sounded more intense I think.

Andrew: Was there “Hedwig’s Theme” at the end?

Matt: At the very end. It’s always at the very end.

Andrew: I missed it. Hold on, hold on, let’s play it right now. I have that technology; we can do that. Hold on. Let’s listen. [pause] Apparently I don’t have the technology because it’s not working! [laughs]

Matt: Yeah, you definitely have that technology. Wow. [laughs]

Andrew: Oh wait, wait, I muted the trailer, that’s why. Shut up. Okay, hold on.

Matt: Wow.

[Music starts loud]

Matt: Oh geez.

Andrew: Okay.

Matt: You already passed it.

Andrew: Shh. Oh I did?

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh gosh.

Matt: Do you want me to do it?

Andrew: No!

[Part of trailer plays]

Matt: [imitating Hermione] I’m scared for you.

Andrew: [imitating Harry] Fight back!

Matt: Here it is.

[“Hedwig’s Theme” plays]

Andrew: Oh man!

[Audio ends]

Andrew: That’s sick. I didn’t even notice that.

Penny: Yeah, I don’t know how I missed that.

Matt: That’s because I was screaming when it was happening.

Andrew: That’s like military style.

[Matt imitates the song]

Andrew: That was because I was too busy cleaning up my pee from my pants, I guess.

Matt: Oh, gross.

Andrew: Tend to spaz out when that happens. Well, Nicole, thank you for calling in.

Caller: Thanks for taking my call!

Andrew: You are so welcome. Have a good day.

Caller: You too.

Andrew: And there was Nicole, who peed her pants when she saw the trailer. Now here’s someone who was calling in earlier and I’m going to get him in now.

Matt: Eric, have you seen it yet?

Andrew: Eric’s on hold.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: Meaning it’s his fault, not mine. Okay. Michael’s missing his chance. Sorry, Michael. It’s about time that they mixed up the “Hedwig’s Theme” a little bit to match the…

Matt: They always mix it.

Andrew: They don’t make it like that.

Matt: Yeah, they do.

Andrew: They do the classic little piano or whatever they do.

Matt: Sometimes they do it. In the teaser trailers they do it. And like the other trailers – Prisoner of Azkaban did it, I think – no, no, not Prisoner of Azkaban, Goblet of Fire and Order of the Phoenix.

Andrew: Yes.

Penny: I like how they give “Hedwig’s Theme” its own personality in each movie.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Andrew: Mike, good morning, you’re on MuggleCast Live!

[Silence]

Andrew: Mike, good morning.

Matt: Michael?

Andrew: Good morning, Mike. Mike, hello? Goodbye, Mike. [laughs] Let’s see. What else is there to discuss? For anyone just joining us, there is close to 200 people in here right now. The Half-Blood Prince trailer was just released this morning. Surprised the fans. This was the intention, and the trailer is going to be coming out with Twilight, ironically enough, on the same day Half-Blood Prince was scheduled to be released on November 21st. Michael, good morning, you’re on MuggleCast Live!


Call: Length of the Movie


Caller: Hello?

Andrew: Hey.

Matt: Hello.

Andrew: What is your reaction to the trailer?

Caller: Hey, how’s it going?

Andrew: Pretty good.

Caller: The trailer was really good. I’d like to know how much – do you guys know how long the movie’s going to be, actually?

Andrew: No. That would be a question for Eric, who has seemed to disappear, but I think they’re aiming for two and a half hours, isn’t that right?

Matt: I think I heard something like that, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. So it’s going to be a little bit longer than these trailers.

Matt: Well, yeah, I – that’s usually the case. The trailers are usually shorter than the films.


Call: The Inkwell Effect


Andrew: Right. Let’s take another call. Anthony, good morning! You’re on MuggleCast Live.

Matt: Anthony.

Caller: Hey, how you doing?

Matt: Hey.

Andrew: Pretty good.

Caller: Hey, I’m here.

Andrew: You are here, good morning! What was your initial reaction to the trailer?

Caller: How are you guys doing?

Andrew: Pretty good.

Caller: I thought it was pretty good. What did you guys think about the fog – what did you guys think about the fog sequence though? When Dumbledore was walking over to the orphanage?

Matt: Yeah, that’s what I was talking about too. Well, I used the inkwell effect, but fog works better than what I described, because they were confused.

Andrew: Yeah, the ink makes it – sorry, which scene are you talking about exactly?

Matt: The memories in the Pensieve.

Andrew: Oh. Yeah, it’s really cool because it matches…

Caller: When Dumbledore goes to the orphanage.

Andrew: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it’s really cool because it sort of sets the tone for a memory. Because in flashbacks previously, there hasn’t been – like in Chamber of Secrets, of course, that wasn’t a memory, but it was – it was like black and white, and I thought that was sort of a lame way to illustrate the flashback…

Matt: Well, in Goblet of Fire they didn’t even do that. He just fell into a room.

Andrew: Right. Yeah. So, yeah, I think that’s a very cool effect to give the people an impression that they’re in a memory.

Matt: Because it’s kind of fuzzy.

Caller: Did – in one section, it also looked like Bellatrix was casting the Dark Mark at Hogwarts. Did you guys see that?

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, we discussed that earlier. But a caller was saying she’s not supposed to be there. Do you have any sort of reaction to that? I mean…

Caller: You guys were talking a couple of months ago how Bellatrix was only casted for the beginning sequence with Snape, so I was kind shocked to see her at Hogwarts.

Andrew: Right.

Caller: So I didn’t know if you guys had any insight as to that.

Andrew: Well, I was speculating that maybe that was just one of those things they had to change to go along with the plot a little more.

Matt: Mhm.

Caller: Oh.

Andrew: I mean…

Penny: These are the people that put in the Burrow scene. I don’t think it’s going to – it’s that crazy to think that they put in Bellatrix into the scene.

Andrew: Right. Yeah. They’ve done some crazy…

Caller: Overall, I thought it was a great trailer.

Andrew: Definitely. Your favorite yet? Your most favorite?

Caller: Actually, yeah. It’s my favorite trailer out of all the movies, because it’s filled with everything. It’s got the love sequence, it’s got the horror sequence and everything later, so…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Got to say it’s definitely well balanced.

Andrew: Definitely. Eric, we had a caller in here a few minutes ago who was wondering how long the film is. Do you remember like the exact time?

Eric: No, and I’m sure it’s changed. Unfortunately, I don’t.

Andrew: Well, give us a ballpark. Two and a half hours?

Eric: Yeah, I don’t want to say.

Andrew: [laughs] What? Is it like a surprise? Is it going to be like five hours or something? Let’s put it this way: I had to pee three times.

Matt: Oh, we get to see the Death Eater siblings in the trailer as well. Along with Bellatrix and Fenrir.

Penny: The Carrows?

Matt: Yeah, the Carrows. Yeah, because there’s a female Death Eater and a male Death Eater too with them. They were both in that scene when they killed Dumbledore.

Eric: Gosh, can I just say how good it is to see an actual official released trailer?

Andrew: I know! Really.

Eric: My gosh! In High Definition. Come on!

Andrew: In like thirty different formats.

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: Oh my God! That’s amazing!

Matt: No lightening inserted in anything.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah. No creepy lightening shot.


Micah Faxes in His Input


Andrew: I just received a faxed statement from Micah Tannenbaum in the MuggleNet – MuggleCast news office. He says, “I think it was more all-inclusive than the last trailers. Showed more of the sex and comedic side that we heard about in previous reports, and it’s nice we’ve finally moved on to something of substance for the sixth film before we start getting DH news.” That was an official statement from Micah Tannenbaum.

Matt: Well, thank you, Micah.

Eric: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Sex?

Matt: Can we send him like a fruit basket or something?

Andrew: Yeah, we should’ve proofread that. I don’t know about that word “sex.”

Eric: Hang on, sex? But that’s what Micah said, right? Sex.

Andrew: But – yeah. But David Heyman has described this movie as “sex, drugs, and rock n’ roll.” Your thoughts, Eric?

Eric: [laughs] Well, I guess if David Heyman said it, there’s got to be sex in this movie. I…

Andrew: [laughs] Would you disagree with that?

Eric: Well, no, not exactly, but, I mean, romance, you know, there are so many different ways of saying it. Micah just faxed in his brutal analysis there, and…

Andrew: Yeah. Well, it’s not brutal.

Matt: It’s not sex, it’s sex appeal.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s what he was talking about. [laughs] This isn’t Harry Potter X-rated.

Matt: God.


Call: Ron’s In Love


Andrew: Let’s get another caller in here. Katie, good morning. You’re on MuggleCast Live. Hello, Katie.

Matt: Good morning, Katie. Afternoon.

Caller: Hi.

Matt: Hi! There she is.

Andrew: How are you?

Caller: Oh, I’m doing all right! I didn’t expect anyone to pick up.

Andrew: Hey, no problem. But listen. You were just surprised by the trailer this morning. Your initial reactions when you saw that the trailer, a brand new trailer. Your reaction, please.

Matt: Thoughts!

Caller: Well, actually, I just got a text message from my friend. She was all like, “Hey, check it out, there’s a new trailer,” so I just got finished watching it.

Andrew: Awesome.

Caller: I like it. I burst out laughing at the part with Ron, when he’s under the love potions – like, “have you actually met her?” He’s like, “No…” [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, exactly.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: Any…

Caller: And…

Andrew: Go ahead.

Caller: No, go ahead.

Andrew: I was just going to say, any other reactions to the trailer? What – is this your favorite one yet, or what? You are speaking for the fans. Represent them well, please.

Caller: [laughs] I’d say probably my favorite one so far. There was so much happening, and I’ve only watched it twice, so I’ll probably have to watch it again to get… [laughs] …get a better gage on it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: But what I saw, I liked.

Andrew: And…

Caller: Same as always, I can’t wait to see that.

Andrew: Definitely. Did – did – what was I going to say? Oh. Does this make you any more excited for the film, or has it changed your thoughts about the film? Or what?

Caller: Oh, more excited than ever, definitely.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: All right, Katie. Well, thank you for calling in.

Caller: Well, thank you! You guys have a great day.

Andrew: Thanks, you too. Bye!

Matt: Bye.

Andrew: And again…


The Dumbledore Debate Continues


Matt: How epic is it when Dumbledore says, “It is also a lie!”

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah!

Matt: It’s like, whoa, geez! [laughs]

Penny: Did you guys talk about Dumbledore when I was on hold or anything?

Andrew: Not really.

Matt: No. We can…

Andrew: What were your…

Matt: Your thoughts on Dumbledore, please, Penny.

[Andrew laughs]

Penny: [laughs] Sorry, but, to me – because I have never been a Gambon fan, so…

Andrew: Oh, yeah.

Penny: Could we talk about that?

Andrew: Yeah, it’s time for our weekly Has-Gambon-Changed-At-All talk. [laughs] Let’s get into that.

[Penny laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, what do you think of him, Penny? I mean, do you think he’s changed in this trailer, or what?

Penny: I think he’s changed, and hopefully he’ll continue to change, but I still just don’t think he’s Dumbledore.

Andrew: Oh.

Penny: I think one big thing that I’ve always loved about Dumbledore, especially in Half-Blood Prince, which is I think my favorite book, is that he’s just got that vulnerability, especially at the end.

Andrew: Yeah.

Penny: And I just don’t see Gambon playing it.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Ooh. Ooh, ooh. Can I chime in?

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Sure, why not?

Eric: Okay, I got to say, Penny, I am totally with you on Michael Gambon. I too have not liked him at all in the past. He has had very, very, very precious few redeeming qualities. But in this movie, by the time the end credits close, you will have seen more of his dying, decaying hand and more vulnerable Dumbledore than you could possibly ever forget.

Matt: I – I’m kind of with him.

Eric: No, they – they do – in this movie, I don’t know why – I think it’s because he had this hand, that Michael Gambon was able to really sort of bring it forward. But I did get a pretty good sense – it made me a little bit happy to see a more – a weaker, sort of more vulnerable, as you put it, Dumbledore in this film. And it might still not be what many people would love, maybe not still Richard Harris, but in this trailer – yeah, in this trailer – this trailer might overlook it, but there is a lot of – a lot of vulnerability on the Michael Gambon side, and Dumbledore. And it’s a bit interesting that they – I’m looking at the very beginning of this trailer, and when they – when they Apparate. Did you guys talk about that special effect? Did you say…

Andrew: Yeah, it’s very cool, isn’t it?

Eric: They show it now. That’s – that’s – it was just awesome. To me that was straight out of the book.

Matt: Mhm.

Eric: The twisty-turny sort of – I don’t know, maybe that’s just me. But that line there, where Dumbledore asks Harry, you know, “Do you wonder why I brought you
here?” And Harry says, “After all these years you just sort of go with it”?

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: That is one of my complaints. Not that the line exists. Many people would probably be upset that the line exists, but I – I’m upset that they showed it in the trailer because the trailer by definition is zippy and has to condense everything. And that’s not – the scene they show when he says that, obviously it’s a voice over, he doesn’t say it in that sequence. It’s – I mean he responds to Dumbledore that way, but it just – they should have left it in the movie because it’s much slower pace. I don’t know, they were looking for an early punch line, maybe. But that’s my one complaint that that line – that line gets better treatment in the film. They should have just left it there.

Andrew: Well, yeah. And I have to say that this – I really do agree that Dumbledore is getting – Michael Gambon is getting where he should be. He does seem very
vulnerable in these trailers. Especially these end scenes where you see these people crawling up to him and you see Harry protecting him. He looks fantastic!

Eric: In the – you mean in the cave?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah. The cave is pretty cool.

Andrew: Eric, now, here’s a very important question.

Eric: Yeah.


Is The Trailer Representative?


Andrew: Is this trailer representative of the movie? Because I don’t want to get excited that this going to be some action packed, amazing thing. The music always
hypes you up when you watch these trailers. Does this trailer live up to the hype of the movie? Does it represent it well?

Eric: Well, let me put it this way: I liked Movie 5, but I was with my girlfriend who hated Movie 5. And it’s got the same director, same script treatment, same everything. So it was interesting going into it. I loved and my girlfriend both loved this movie, and we hadn’t seen any of the completed special effects or many of them. And so you’re looking at the Quidditch and – or I’m looking at the Quidditch, and the cave scene, and the Inferi, and all of that stuff, and seeing all
these completed special effects. And I liked the movie without them, and so did my girlfriend, who didn’t like, along with many other people, David Yates’ flashes and montages in the previous films, which were not in this movie at all. This movie is so different of a movie, yet so awesome and true to the book. It’s probably the truest to the book, I think. It totally feels like it’s true to the book. It doesn’t feel like it’s skipping around.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: It goes at a slow pace, but you’re able to – to feast your eyes on these wonderful effects which happen in Quidditch, and the Burrow scene, and the end
scene. The fight scene at Hogwarts looks amazing! Just from these tiny clips in the trailer. It’s – yes, I would say this trailer is not only representative
of the movie, but a darn – darn good one. I mean, WB must be sighing relief hearing – to hear all these fans now saying that it’s their favorite so far ever. I mean that’s just got to be a good feeling, because – and in my opinion, too, I share it, that this trailer is a success. It’s a win. It’s made of win…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: …and is going to be exactly what they needed, I think.

Andrew: Yeah, and…

Matt: We have been talking with Eric Scull of the Behind the Scenes on the trailer in film.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Woot!


The Trailer is a Sorry Gift


Andrew: This is WB’s gift to the fans, I think. It’s a sorry gift.

Eric: Well, it’s about time.

Andrew: Because it’s coming out…

Eric: It’s not only a sorry gift.

Andrew: Right, well, it’s coming…

Eric: Basically with…

Andrew: Yeah. Well – well, I say it’s a sorry gift because it’s coming out with Twilight, which comes out the same day that the Harry Potter
trailer…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Well really!

Penny: I think it’s a last ditch effort gift for them.

Andrew: I mean, yeah. [laughs]

Penny: I mean, not…

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, could that – wait, I mean, put it this way: what else could they have done that’s better? I mean, you know.

Eric: Well, right. If it is a last ditch effort.

Matt: More pre-screenings.

Andrew: More pre-screenings? [laughs]

Eric: At least it’s a successful effort, I think.

Andrew: One listener just IM-ed me over Skype chat and said it’s a lame sorry gift. But I don’t – I don’t know. I think this is a good gift!

Eric: Who’s going to still be mad? Who’s going to still be angry?

Matt: Yeah, the whole thing about angry about being delayed – that’s over with. Just – just accept it.

Andrew: Yeah. Well, you know – and what would be a better gift, like a scene? But I don’t want to see a scene. I want to see a trailer.

Matt: Yeah, I think…

Eric: I don’t want a scene too.

Matt: I really don’t want another trailer for a few months. I want to still be able to actually see the movie when it comes out or not. See everything with the TV spots and all the behind the scenes footage and all the ten million trailers they’re giving us.


The Harry-Ginny Kiss Scene


Andrew: Yeah. People also want us to discuss the kiss scene. The Harry-Ginny kiss scene. Right? Was it the Harry-Ginny? Yeah. It comes up very quickly and it’s
towards the end. I – what’s there to discuss? People in the chat, feel free to add some feedback. One listener said to me people who haven’t read the books will be
incredibly confused.

Matt: Well then, who cares?

Andrew: Which I guess is true.

Matt: Who honestly cares? If you haven’t seen – I mean, I’m tired of the movies trying to acclimate it towards people who haven’t read the books – can do that. Just understand.

Andrew: Yeah.

Penny: They need to…

Matt: If they really want to get the movie, read the freaking book!

Andrew: Penny?

Penny: Yeah, and does this person mean that they’re going to be confused by the trailer or confused during the book?

Eric: During watching the movie, I think.

Penny: I mean, during the movie I mean.

Eric: Yeah.

Penny Why would they…

Eric: I think that’s what they mean. But yeah, I don’t know why either, because, to be honest, he does linger over Ginny for a while in the movie.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And it’s made quite clear. It – just because it doesn’t happen exactly like it does in the book. I mean, I think these people went and spoiled themselves on all those spoilerific – which were not mine – reviews of the pre-screening film and are all angry. I mean, to be honest, I watched this trailer just while I was on the show here, and I missed the Harry-Ginny scene
in the trailer the first time, completely. I didn’t even know it was in there, and then I was – I have it paused and I’m simply looking through scenes and I see that it is in there in whatever incarnation, but yeah, I don’t know what there is to talk about it.

Andrew: I don’t think people will be confused as much as they’ll be intrigued.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: I mean, so what? They’re – I mean, you know.

Eric: Bonnie Wright is intriguing.

Andrew: [laughs] Yes. Well, them staring at each other and going in for the kiss is intriguing. What’s up with this? Why is Bonnie going in for the – why is Ginny going in for the…

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: …kiss? Why is Harry just standing still?

Eric: She’s more of a man than he is!

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, apparently!

[Eric laughs]

Matt: She’s a Gryffindor, she’ll go for it.

Andrew: Well, I mean, I guess we’ll have to see the context around this one. Go ahead, Penny.

Penny: She’s also the more experienced one.

Matt: Oh yeah.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, I guess so!

Matt: She’s going out with everybody and their mom!

Eric: That’s true, you know, we needed a girl on to recognize that for what it was!

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: It’s experienced kissing.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Mhm. Well also, I think why people were kind of upset – because it was kind of a little too obvious that Harry liked Ginny. Was – that in the book, we only found all about that Harry kind of liked Ginny by inside his mind.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Because he never made it obvious, but the audience knew, so how can the audience know if they’re not, you know, reading from inside Harry’s mind?


Call: A Caller is Pleasantly Surprised


Andrew: Exactly. Let’s take another call now. Riviere, I think I got your name right? Good morning.

Caller: Yeah. How are you?

Andrew: I’m good. How are you?

Caller: I’m very glad to be on the show because I am from France, so I can usually never join your live chats.

Andrew: Oh, yes. We’re broadcasting nice and early this morning.

Caller: [unintelligible] …so it’s great.

Andrew: Awesome. Now, you will represent the fans from France. When you first saw this trailer, what were your reactions, please?

Caller: I was really happy to see that the trailer really sticks to the movie. There are many steps you usually don’t get in the movies that they included. Like I wasn’t expecting to see the Death Eater attack on London, or even Draco when he looks in the mirror. I was really like – it was like I was reading the movie again. The [unintelligible] again.

Andrew: The book.

Matt: Yeah.

Caller: The book I mean. [laughs]

Andrew: That Draco shot was really cool!

Matt: Yes! He was in the bathroom, right?

Eric: It’s at 1:32 in the bathroom. Yeah, he’s looking
into the mirror. I think that’s so – I have it paused there at the moment, 1:32, and, like you said as well, the attack on London, the Death Eaters scene is just – even with completed special effects, looks amazing! You see the bridge begin to break away, and it’s just – it’s exciting, and…

Caller: Yeah, and did you see this kind of [unintelligible]?

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: I think it was kind of the same smoke. I don’t know if they used the same effects. Anyway, no,
it was really great, and even seeing Voldemort at a different age, it was – I don’t know. I think they’re going to put a lot of [unintelligible].

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Riviere, if you had to respond to this trailer in French, what would you say?

Caller: In French? It was – I don’t know, [speaks French]. Unexpected.

Andrew: Unexpected? All right. [laughs] Is that what that word meant? All right, thank you, there’s our French lesson for today.

Caller: Just one thing, maybe. They show [unintelligible] too much, because in the end when you see Snape, I think he’s in front of Hagrid’s hut?

Andrew: Yeah he is, yeah.

Caller: And it burns when all the Death Eaters are around. So maybe it gives away too much of the story, but apart from that, I was really happy to see this.

Andrew: Yeah. All right, Riviere, thank you.

Caller: Thank you.

Andrew: All right, goodbye.

Eric: One thing they do have a lot of in this trailer too, is character treatment. That’s what I liked about the movie too, the character treatment, that they seem to pay attention to everyone’s character. Instead of trying to advance the plot, advance what happens, they focus more on everybody’s character. Everybody gets a chance to act in this film; it’s really quite nice, instead of saying – instead of it being a movie like in the earlier movies where Ron and Hermione might have one or two prominent lines and the rest are just throwaway lines to advance the plot, here they’re actually – you can see that the actors have only gotten better and they’re allowed to do stuff with their characters. It’s pretty neat, which is kind of also why there are these scenes where Harry’s like, “Well, I am the Chosen One,” or “After all these years you just go with it.” Surely that was written in the script, but it’s just more focus on where these characters are at.

Andrew: Right. Right. All right, Inger – we’ll get another call in here – Inger, good morning, you’re on MuggleCast Live. We’re live, its 10:30 AM, it’s a Friday, the trailer just came out an hour and a half ago, what were your thoughts?

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Call: Character Development and Special Effects


Andrew: I love hearing myself. All right, quick PSA to everyone who’s joining us. When you call in, please wear headphones so your – our stream can’t be picked up by your mic, and please have a question prepared and, you know, all that. So thank you for that. Let’s take another – let’s take a call. Jenny, good morning, you’re on MuggleCast Live, hello.

Caller: Hey!

Andrew: Hey!

Caller: I was so excited. I got a text message from Twitter that you guys were doing the live show.

Andrew: Awesome.

Caller: And I love the new trailer. The sixth book was my favorite book because of all the character development…

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: …and from the scenes I’ve seen in the trailer and from what Eric just said, I’m really excited to see this movie.

Andrew: Yes. Yeah, that’s actually a great point. There’s a lot of character development in the book and we’re really seeing some advancements in this – in this movie. What did you think of Hermione’s bushy hair? That’s a hot topic this morning.

Caller: I noticed that.

[Andrew laughs]

Caller: I really have no opinion one way or the other on Hermione’s bushy hair. I think it looks fine.

Eric: Oh God, I’m trying to find it. I’m trying to find it.

Andrew: I just got an instant message from my friend: “Hermione’s hair is hot, I think. And Ron is just straight up hot.” That was from my friend Alex Vogelson back in New Jersey. So a lot of people are very interested in the hair. Jenny, was there anything else that really stuck out to you?

Caller: A lot of the special effects in the trailer. The Millennium Bridge collapsing looks amazing!

Andrew: Yes, it does.

Caller: And I also love the sort of fog-like, inky, very fluid effects with the memory.

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: The memory sequences.

Andrew: Definitely. So – and you know what? Hallelujah, we got a trailer that didn’t have any corny effects in it.

Caller: I know, it’s amazing.

Andrew: The first trailer – yeah! The first trailer had those stupid titles, that I swear to God, they made in iMovie, or they had someone very basic do some very basic Photoshop stuff. And then the second trailer we had that shot of McGonagall sending up that [laughs] stupid lightening bolt.

Eric: Yeah, well, to be fair that was a leaked trailer.

Andrew: Right. Right.

Eric: [laughs] That one wasn’t – you can’t pin that trailer on…

Andrew: Right.

Eric: But…

Andrew: But it did come out, and we did see it, so…

Eric: Yeah.

Matt: And they – and they didn’t take it down.

Eric: It was kind of – it was kind of funny. But the other thing – it’s been mentioned twice now, and Jenny also mentioned this too, the Millennium Bridge collapse. I think it’s hilarious that it’s the Millennium Bridge that is collapsing, because when the Millennium Bridge was first opened, it was deemed unstable.

Andrew: Really?

Eric: They let the first load of people on it – or, however, and it started shaking [laughs] and people got scared and ran off, so they actually had to close the Millennium Bridge. Is that how that happened I think?

Caller: Yeah…

Andrew: Wait.

Caller: …any tour you go on in London, they’ll tell you that. I think the bridge cost 10,000 pounds to build because the first 6,000 pounds was to build the bridge and then the other four was to take out the wiggle.

[Everyone laughs]

Caller: Or something to that effect. I forget the exact numbers.

Andrew: The wiggle.

Caller: But, yeah, they paid – they paid a lot more money to keep it from shaking.

Eric: Yeah, which is hilarious, because you see it just rip and tear. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, that – I guess that’s very ironic then, isn’t it?

Eric: That’s an inside one.

Matt: It’s scary as you-know-what, to be honest. I mean, could you imagine being on that bridge when it’s like wobbling on all sides?

Andrew: That’s like an earthquake. That’s like a California earthquake.

Eric: That’s the thing. I think the Queen was there when they opened it. I mean, maybe not on the bridge, but there was some serious – some serious issues when they opened it in time, I guess in schedule for the millennium, and had to close it then for another year.

Matt: Yeah, well, there’s nobody on the bridge when it collapses, so that’s good.

Eric: Yeah. Yeah, they had to make a point to do that. No one falling in the water or whatever, but…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Well, actually, in the books, people fell in.

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: In the movie, I’m not entirely sure they don’t in the movie, to be honest, because it’s shaking, and there are…

Matt: Well, I’m just seeing it in this…

Caller: It’s a little hard to tell in that like…

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: …four second clip you get of the bridge collapsing.

Matt: You can see in the corner there’s a few people running off the bridge, but they’re almost already off it when it’s starting to break.


Emma Thompson


Andrew: Right. Hey, real quick, here’s something that hit the news the other day: Emma Thompson not coming back for Deathly Hallows, and she said she doesn’t feel like she’s creatively attached to it?

[Jenny laughs]

Andrew: And I couldn’t believe that, because she’s such a good Trelawney!

Matt: Yeah…

Eric: Yeah.

Matt: …but I can understand what she means by it.

Eric: I understand too.

Andrew: Why? What does she mean?

Matt: They didn’t give her anything!

Eric: Well, it’s not even a matter of what they gave her. She worked with everything she got. Since Movie 3 she’s created a memorable character, and I’m sure she’s
enjoyed doing it, but the question was whether or not to go on with Harry Potter Movie 7 or the sequel to Nanny McPhee, which she wrote, which she acted in.

Andrew: That I understand.

Eric: She was in it, and wrote it, and had much more creative development. So if it’s a question of doing your own sequel or starring as one of the ten million
British actors and actresses in this British film, you know, instead of doing a unique British film on your own – the sequel to Nanny McPhee, which was very
different altogether, and – you know, it’s Emma Thompson’s baby in a way, so would you go to your baby or go to someone else’s baby and have, maybe, a few, really good, but a few good lines?

Andrew: Yeah, but Micah brought up a good point to me I mean, what would it take to get her in there, for what, like the one scene, the Battle of Hogwarts?

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: I think that’s the only one that matters, and how long would it take her? Two, three days?

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I mean, look, nothing against Emma Thompson. She’s great and I can completely understand this whole Nancy McPhee thing, it’s her movie.

Matt: It’s Nanny McPhee.

Eric: Nanny!

Andrew: Nanny.

Eric: McPhee. [laughs]

Andrew: Oh, well, I typed in the news post: Na – oh no, Micah typed Nancy. That idiot.

Eric: It’s Nanny McPhee.

Andrew: I’ll fix that right now.

Eric: Your fake attempt at sincerity there, Andrew, has failed.

Andrew: What? No, no, I just – the post says Nancy McPhee, and that’s what I was reading from. [laughs]

Eric: It’s Micah’s fault.

Andrew: It is.

Penny: The reason why it bothers me that she’s not going to be in it is I think one of the best parts of the seventh book, in the end during the Battle of Hogwarts, was that everybody came back, and they all – you know, from the beginning of the series, everybody had their role and, you know, so whoever it was – Sprout and Neville come with the Mandrakes, and Trelawney’s throwing down the crystal balls, and it just – it felt, once again, like the book came full circle, and I’m scared we’re not going to get that feeling in the movie.

Eric: Yeah. Yeah, I’ll be looking for news that Chris Rankin will be or won’t be returning…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: …because if he returns in Movie 7, it’s a good bet that I’m going to enjoy the end scene, but if Chris Rankin doesn’t come back – he plays Percy Weasley – if he doesn’t come back, that’ll be a little upsetting. But they haven’t really shown any of the falling out with the Weasley family because he hasn’t been – I don’t think he’s been in a movie since, what, 4? Or possibly 3. Was he in – yeah, he was in Movie 5 because he was with Fudge, so…

Andrew: Right.

Eric: …hey, they kind of haven’t forgotten about Chris Rankin there, which is good, but – yeah, you’re right, totally right, Penny, on that full-circle effect.

Andrew: Jenny, thank you for calling in.

Caller: Thanks for taking my call.

Andrew: You’re welcome.

Eric: You rock.

Matt: Awesome.

Andrew: She rocks. Nathalie, hello. Good morning, you’re on MuggleCast Live!

Caller: Hey!

Andrew: Hey! What’s going on?

Caller: Hi.

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Eric: Oh God, there’s like a fifteen minute delay.

Andrew: Yeah, there’s a little delay there. If you’re listening to the show, put on headphones. Then call us and listen to us through the Skype call, not the stream.
It’s a very technical process, I guess, but you got to do what you got to do.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: So, what is it, it’s 10:40 right now, we’ve been going for an hour and ten. What are we doing here?


Quidditch


Eric: Have we talked about Quidditch yet?

Matt: A little…

Andrew: A very little.

Matt: I think we touched it, yeah.

Andrew: Very little. What were your thoughts? What did you want to bring up? I brought up earlier how the special effects have certainly improved.

Eric: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, they were never bad for Quidditch, in my opinion, but they’ve just done so much more – because they could do so much more, they’ve done so much more, I guess, if that makes sense. I mean, actually, what you really notice, I guess – and the only Quidditch scene so far that’s really upset me as far as special effects is the scene in the rain in Prisoner of Azkaban, which didn’t exactly do anything much for me, but they’re in the rain – or is it the snow? I think it’s the rain, yeah, it’s the rain, or no – whatever. They’re in heavy precipitation in this Quidditch pitch – yeah, yeah, it is snow – and
it was so good to see the Hogwarts grounds covered in snow and a Quidditch game. It was just beautiful school sports. It totally fed into the scene and environment, and yeah, they’ve totally done it all out in the special effects, which look great.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Definitely. You know, and we’ve seen the Quidditch before, I’ll say it again. We’ve seen the Quidditch before and I’m really counting on some very great improvements CGI-wise.

Eric: Yeah. I’m inclined to even say like – you said you’ve seen Quidditch before. I’m going to say not like this you haven’t.

Andrew: Oh. So I guess the special effects were done when you saw it.

Eric: Not always. Harry is lecturing or talking to his team on the Quidditch pitch and there’s a giant blue screen behind them.

Andrew: [laughs] I wish I could have saw that.

Eric: It’s hilarious, because he’s in character and it’s seamless because some scenes, you know, some angles were completed and some other ones weren’t, so…

Andrew: Well, maybe they painted the Quidditch pitch blue. Would you be upset if you like – you saw the movie and it still was the blue screen?

Eric: Well, no because…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: …you can see the…

Andrew: I’m just kidding. I’m just…

Eric: …the poles. Yeah, you can see the – yeah. It was hilarious but it was cool. It was insight into the process, I think I mentioned on a previous episode, because Harry’s in character – Dan is in character. In between the scenes you can’t even tell. It’s not like all of a sudden because there’s a blue screen, there’s
Dan. You know what I’m saying? But you can totally notice the big giant blue – it’s hilarious.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: So it’s good to see that they worked on the Quidditch effects and – yeah. Like David Heyman said, the movie’s nearly done.

Andrew: It’s done, he said, except for one tweak.

Eric: That’s what I said earlier, yeah.

Andrew: Have we discussed that on MuggleCast yet? I don’t know. I can’t…

Eric: The tweak?

Andrew: Matt, did we discuss that?

Matt: No.

Andrew: Well, I can’t remember if it hit the news after we recorded or not, but yeah. They said they have – they’re not going to put the movie together until six weeks before to prevent any pirating, which I thought was interesting and very crucial. I mean, they probably learned a little lesson with this other trailer leak.

Eric: But seriously, you want pirating? I mean, look at this trailer. It just – it’s that simple, because – and I’m – not to say that everything in the movie is captured in this trailer, because it’s not, but…

Andrew: What do you mean pirating? Look at the trailer, it’s pirating? What do you mean by that?

Eric: No, no, I’m saying if you want to look at an early copy of the movie…

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: …I think the trailer – this trailer – I’m so proud of it, that it really highlights some great stuff, and whets, W-H-E-T-S, peoples’ appetites just perfectly.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Maybe that didn’t make sense. I’m sorry.


Seeing Twilight For the Trailer


Andrew: No, it – no, it makes sense. Changing the subject a bit, Penny, I’m sure you were probably planning on seeing Twilight anyway, right?

Penny: Mhm.

Andrew: Are you going to see it any earlier now that you know that the movie’s coming out?

Penny: That I know the trailer’s coming out?

Andrew: Yeah. Sorry, that’s what I meant.

Penny: That’s actually a really good question, because I was – I’m actually in December going up to New York to see Equus with some friends, and I was going to
see Twilight with them then.

Andrew: Oh. So you were going to wait.

Penny: And now, I don’t know. I might have to go see it now.

Andrew: You know, I just realized this. Summit must be so happy that there’s a – that Harry Potter is being put before their movie. That’s got to boost sales, right?

Penny: Summit is the winner in this whole thing.

Andrew: [laughs] Yes, they are.

Eric: Yeah.

Penny: That’s the bottom line.

Matt: Yeah. Pretty much.

Eric: Best line ever. Yes. Summit wins.

Andrew: I mean, man, did they luck out. They got the Harry Potter date, the Thanksgiving date that everyone is always after. Yeah, and now they got the Harry Potter trailer coming out before their movie. They must be ecstatic.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Really.

Eric: I know. I have…

Andrew: You know what? I want to hear – people, if you’re – if you don’t want to see Twilight, but you want to see the trailer, call in. I want to know what people think, you know, because there’s these people out there who are like, “Twilight,
my God, I definitely don’t want to see that.” But now that the Harry Potter trailer is before it, are people going to go buy a ticket and then just see the trailer and then leave? [laughs]

Eric: That would be funny but completely useless because Summit would have your money.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Well, I don’t think they really care about giving Summit the money.

Eric: Okay, well, yeah. Right, right, right. But, I mean, seeing the trailer in a theater – I mean,
I already had midnight tickets for Twilight not because I enjoy it as a book series, because I haven’t read the books, but I was interested in the movie, so I got midnight tickets. And so that’ll be cool. But people – because of all the different formats that this movie trailer was released in, the highest of definition, I think that’ll prevent people from going to see Twilight just for the movie, because to be perfectly honest, computer resolution’s amazing, and, you know, with all these different high definition versions of this trailer, really I could wait. I could
hold off from seeing it in theaters if I didn’t want to go see Twilight.

Andrew: Mhm. I mean, plus, you get this HD version online. You don’t really – who needs to see it on the big screen anymore? I mean, it looks just as – it looks better at home on your computer screen, in my opinion.

Eric: Well, except for surround sound. That’s…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …the main thing, you know.

Andrew: And plus, it is cool music. So you’ll want to hear that in surround sound.


Seeing Movie 6 in an IMAX Theater


Penny: Plus, there’s the whole audience thing, and that brings me to a question that I wanted to ask you guys. After seeing this trailer, though, how excited are you now about seeing this – the movie in an IMAX at Azkatraz?

Andrew: Oh, yes. What’s it? [laughs] I almost called it Portus.

Eric: Can words describe it?

Andrew: No! No, and they should play all of the trailers before the actual movie to get us really excited. [laughs]

Eric: What?

Andrew: They should play the music before – they should play the trailers before the movie because the music was awesome.


Back to the Amazing Music


Eric: Oh God, the music! Have you guys heard that “Hedwig’s Theme” at the end of the trailer?

Andrew: Yeah, we were talking about that earlier. Let’s listen to it again for anyone who was just joining us. We’re discussing the new Harry Potter trailer, and let’s listen to the end right here.

[“Hedwig’s Theme” plays]

Andrew: [laughs] And it’s so funny because you’re totally expecting another shot to come right after that, and as I said at the beginning of the show, it’s just like, pfft, July.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: It sort of just drops you. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah, I was expecting another scene too.

Andrew: It’s very cool music. I like that random “Harry!” call in the middle. Did you guys hear that? Right when – let me play it again real quick. And you don’t see anyone calling “Harry.”

[Trailer clips plays]

Andrew: Right there. “Harry!” There’s no shot of anyone calling him. It’s kind of just to add to the action, but I thought it was…

Eric: I think that’s Bellatrix.

Andrew: No, that was a dude.

Eric: Oh, well, what – do you have a time stamp or what?

Andrew: It’s when the bridge is collapsing or like going crazy. It’s right around 1:36. My friend – I’m talking with her over instant messenger – has a good strategy over what we were talking about earlier. She’s going to buy a ticket to a different movie, catch the trailer, then go watch a different movie. So to avoid watching Twilight. [laughs] That’s what she…

Penny: [unintelligible] Twilight.

Andrew: I know. [laughs] That’s funny.

Eric: Yeah, that’s a completely disembodied voice. I don’t even know who’s shouting that.

Andrew: Hold on. Hold on, your mic’s off. Go ahead, Matt.

Matt: The person who cries out “Harry” is Mr. Weasley during the Burrow scene.

Andrew: How do you know that?

Matt: Because it’s from the leaked trailer.

Andrew: Well, thank you, Matt Britton.

Matt: When you see Mr. Weasley calling out for Harry.

Andrew: There we go. Which totally doesn’t fit with that shot. The bridge collapsing. [laughs]

Eric: Oh, the bridge collapsing.

Matt: Is Harry on the bridge?

Andrew: Yeah, people are going to think Harry’s on the bridge.

Matt: It’s like, “Harry, no!”


Snow


Andrew: By the way, they have a great shot in here of the Hogwarts Express traveling through the snow.

Matt: There’s a lot of snow in this.

Andrew: Yeah, I was just going to say that. Snow is in this film. The last trailer was fire now it’s snow.

Matt: Geez. Next year it’s going to be all water all the time.

Andrew: What’s – I mean, God, it’s like all of the Captain Planet super heroes. Wind! Fire! Water! None of them were snow granted, but you get the point I’m trying to make.

Eric: Earth, fire, water, heart, go planet.

Andrew: Yeah.


The Astronomy Tower


Eric: The Astronomy Tower. The daytime view from the Astronomy Tower. I think that’s an awesome view. I’ll be taking stills of this for sure or I’ll find stills from this trailer, because quite a few good ones.

Andrew: Yeah, Matt actually took some stills before we started to get them up on MuggleNet, which we do have to do soon.


Dumbledore Under the Umbrella


Eric: What about Dumbledore walking into this memory carrying the umbrella?

Andrew: What?

Eric: Do you guys have a comment on that?

Andrew: What’s the time code on that?

Eric: When he’s approaching the – it’s 49 seconds.

Andrew: Oh, you mean he’s holding the – oh. Is that? That’s Dumbledore? I didn’t even realize that.

Penny: Isn’t that Dumbledore…

Eric: Yeah, Dumbledore is traveling the – sorry?

Penny: Isn’t that Dumbledore of the memory?

Eric: Yeah. Yeah.

Andrew: Is it raining? I mean, can it be as simple as that?

Eric: Well, yeah. It’s not for effect. [laughs] It’s not like they said, “Michael Gambon, we’re going to give you an umbrella.”

Andrew: I know, but it certainly doesn’t look like it’s raining.

Eric: Oh, that’s true. Well, it’s kind of – well, that’s because the memory itself is the opposite of dissolving, I think, at the moment. If you look – oh, I was going to say that one car had windshield wipers going, but it’s dark and dreary for sure.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: So it might as well be raining.


Call: Trailer Before Twilight


Andrew: It really is. Let’s try to get Nathalie back in here. Nathalie, or I guess I should say Nathalie [pronounces like “Natalie”], good morning.

Caller: Hi.

Andrew: Hi.

Caller: How’s it going?

Andrew: Pretty good. How about you?

Caller: Pretty good. I actually work for you on Twilight Source.

Andrew: I know.

Caller: I’m one of the forum – yeah.

Andrew: I know, I know. Well, it’s good to finally talk to you. [laughs]

Caller: Yeah.

Andrew: Hey, what are your thoughts on the trailer?

Caller: I was really excited. At first I saw it and I thought it was just the leaked one, but WB had actually released it. But when I started to see that it as a new one I was really excited.

Andrew: That’s why I put “Warner Brothers releases” at the very start of this headline so nobody was like, “Oh my God, another one leaked out?” Because of course this was by complete surprise. And it’s just like the first trailer where they’ve surprised fans, isn’t it?

Matt: Yeah.

Caller: Oh yeah, for sure, because usually it’s like we know kind of two or three weeks in advanced…

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: …because they’re like, “We’re definitely going to release it like three or four weeks…”

Andrew: With a certain movie.

Caller: “…with this movie.”

Andrew: Right. Yeah. So that was cool. This is – and I’m wondering if this is like another one of their last minute decisions or something.

Matt: Yes.

Caller: Yeah.

Andrew: Because I mean, the Twilight

Caller: Yeah, maybe they worked it out from people with Twilight to have more people go see the movie.

Andrew: Yeah. Well, how does this work? Does WB have to pay for it to be in front of – because they said they’re clear; it’s going to be before Twilight. So do they pick – Penny?

Eric: Usually…

Andrew: Or Eric, sorry.

Eric: Oh, you’re asking Penny.

Andrew: No, no, I thought I heard Penny. But, go ahead, Eric.

Eric: Oh, do they – oh.

Andrew: No, I don’t think so.

Eric: Well, I – working in a movie theater for a year, I ended up being a projectionist for a short amount of time before I left, but usually trailers go – certain studios will have trailers that go with their films, and that’s why it’s so interesting that you say that they this trailer will be in front of Twilight, because as far as I know, they don’t have anything to do with each other, besides the fact they’re both fantasies, which is the other thing that trailers are usually grouped by. But, strictly speaking, I mean, there are rules handed down for all movie theaters who want to buy the movie. And by buy I mean show it. You have to purchase the print that they can’t put certain trailers in front of other movies and all sorts of rules like that, so I don’t really know what’s going on, but I don’t think that Warner Brothers paid Summit. I…

Matt: No. No. I don’t think so.

Eric: …think Summit paid Warner Brothers.

Caller: Oh, sorry. I think maybe they made like a deal. Like not maybe money but Summit probably went like “Oh, well, we could use your trailer if you want to release it.”

Matt: No, no, no. I think Summit was tickle-pink to actually have the option to have a Harry Potter trailer in the beginning of their movie.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, of course, they’re…

Matt: It was either Twilight or even 007 that came out today.

Eric: God, I’m going to see that today.

Andrew: Me too.

Matt: Oh geez, so am I.

Andrew: Very excited about that.

Matt: But, yeah – I mean, who would not want a Harry Potter trailer in the beginning of their film? Just to get the people in there just to see the trailer itself.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s what we were saying.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: I mean, Summit, oh my God.

Matt: No, yeah, they hit the jackpot really with this, because that’s the only really big movie of next summer that a lot of people are wanting to see.

Andrew: Yeah. Speaking from a Harry Potter fan perspective right now and not Twilight fan – although I am a Twilight fan, but putting that aside – Summit is really lucking out with all this hot topic merchandise with the timing of the film release and now this trailer. I mean, they must all be sitting around a table right now having a round of drinks, because this will – I honestly think this would easily add – people who are on the fence about seeing Twilight and are Potter fans will now be like “Oh, well, okay. I’ll go see the movie and I get to see the Harry Potter trailer. Cool.” The…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Another million right there. Smack. Done. Game over.

Matt: Aren’t they all – aren’t Twilight and Harry Potter fans pretty much the same?

Caller: Aren’t people – a lot of people go see movies just for the trailers. Like…

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. That’s true.

Caller: So…

Andrew: Well, yeah, exactly. So that’s why Summit will be so excited.

Matt: That’s what I did with Happy Feet. I just saw the trailer and then left.

Andrew: Really?

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: You didn’t see Happy Feet?

Matt: No.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Andrew: Eric’s all still upset.

Matt: [imitates Eric] You didn’t see the penguins dancing?

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: And actually, this is one of the rare times where a Harry Potter trailer premieres without a WB movie, because Goblet of Fire trailer premiered with Happy Feet, Half-Blood Prince trailer – what did that premiere with? The teaser?

Matt: Umm…

Eric: Oh, um…

Matt: Um, um. Um. Um. Um.

Caller: Wasn’t that with Star Wars?

Eric: Dark Knight?

Andrew: Oh. No, no.

Eric: Wasn’t it the Dark Knight?

Andrew: Was it? Or Star Wars?

Penny: That was just a fifteen second clip with Dark Knight. I’m a…

Matt: That was the teaser for the IMAX film.

Andrew: Oh, right, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Matt: But…

Andrew: Well, point is, they got a – this was one of the rarer times where WB’s putting a trailer before a non-WB movie, so…

Eric: I don’t know, are they trying to help out Summit? I mean…

Andrew: [laughs] I doubt it. Well…

Eric: I say you already got my release date, you know, seriously. But they gave the trailer. Summit is just so – I mean, I’m going to see the Twilight movie because I haven’t read the Twilight books, and now with the Harry Potter trailer in front of it, it’s just amazing and easy.

Andrew: Yeah.

Penny: Well, I think that’s why Summit…

[Audio problems]

Andrew: Nathalie, we’re going to let you go. But thank you. Ooh, getting some heavy feedback there.

Penny: I think that’s why Summit lucks out, is because Joe Harry Potter fan, who wants to just see the trailer, is more likely – because he’s a Harry Potter fan – is more likely to sit through the Twilight movie…

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Penny: …as opposed to somebody who wants to just, say, see – let’s say it was going to be in front of – well, I don’t know. I lost my train of thought.

Matt: Wasn’t it The Mummy that premiered with a teaser for this film?

Penny: Yeah, maybe.

Andrew: No.

Matt: The Mummy

Eric: I think so.

Matt: Yeah, the third Mummy movie.

Eric: Yeah, I …

Matt: I don’t know which movie premiered with Order of the Phoenix though.

Andrew: Well, that’s lame. Oh, that’s right! Yeah, because The Mummy was doing so bad, or The Mummy was so bad.

[Eric and Matt laugh]

Matt: Of course I’m right!

Andrew: It got such bad reviews. And remember? I was like, “WB’s definitely putting the trailer before this movie because it’s so bad.”

Eric: [laughs] Yeah, that’s right.

Andrew: And it ended up doing bad. I mean – yeah, so …

Eric: That’s so upsetting to me because I love The Mummy and The Mummy Returns, and I haven’t seen the third one, but I’m going to. [laughs]

Andrew: Okay, are we done here? What’s going on? I’m not sure what to do.

Eric: Well, if there’s anything else you can talk about.

[Andrew laughs]


The Announcer Voice


Eric: Let’s do another run through the trailer quick and see if there’s anything else we can talk about. Oh guys, did you talk about the announcer voice?

Andrew: No. Was there an announcer voice in this one?

Eric: Yeah.

Matt: “Warner Brothers Pictures presents.” That’s it.

Eric: The whole way it was some other guy.

Matt: It was Dumbledore!

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: No.

Matt: Yes, it was Dumbledore talking.

Eric: Michael Gambon?

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Now what’s the time code? We’ll play it.

Matt: Well, are you – are you being serious?

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: There’s no …

Matt: There’s no announcer in this. There’s no – I mean only – the only announcer guy says, “Warner Brothers Pictures presents.” And then it’s just still Dumbledore talking.

Eric: Hang on I’m watching now.

Andrew: I think the funniest scene in this trailer was when Harry and Slughorn clink glasses and then Ron starts to drink and he just passes out.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: [laughs] That’s pretty funny.

Matt: It’s too bad though. He’s sort of dying when that happens, but …

Andrew: Yeah. Well, all right, I think – I think we’re finished here.

Matt: Okay.

Andrew: I know Matt’s rushing to get out because he has to go to work, but…

Matt: Kind of.

Andrew: I think – I think we’re good.

Eric: Yeah, there is an announcer guy. It starts at – it starts at 40 seconds: “This year…”

Andrew: 40 – oh okay. Hold on, we’ll play it. It starts at forty seconds?

Eric: 40 seconds.

Andrew: All right, here we go.

Trailer

Ron: Can you introduce me?

Announcer: This year …

Hosts

Andrew: Oh.

Matt: Oh yeah.

[Trailer Clip plays]

[Andrew and Matt acknowledge and laugh at the announcer]

Andrew: LOL.

Matt: Oh me.

Andrew: I see what you’re saying.

Matt: I stink. I fail.

Andrew: That’s funny, I didn’t even – you don’t even notice those things. I mean, not like it’s a big deal.

Penny: Yeah, I didn’t think…

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: It’s all – all our minds are prepped for movie watching; we just take it in.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: [imitating announcer] “In a world with magic.”

Andrew: Okay, well, I think this is our initial – is our initial reactions from the trailer, and I’ll say anyone who wants to call in with their thoughts. I’m looking forward to seeing reaction videos as I posted on MuggleNet with this news post. Well, it’s too late now for anyone listening to this, but when people record – when they watch a trailer for the first time we want them to record their reactions and then send them in to andrew at staff dot mugglenet dot com and – oh excellent, we’ve already gotten four or five reaction videos. So that’s …

Eric: Why aren’t they listening to MuggleCast?

Andrew Well – well…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I don’t know, good point. Well, there’s only four or five, so that’s okay.

Eric: I know. I know. It’s a joke.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Ha-ha.


Call: Snow Theme


Andrew: Well, we’ll have another episode – another MuggleCast episode out soon. Oh wait, let’s get one more caller in here. This guy’s name is Andrew so that’s why I’m taking him. Andrew Carol, good morning, you’re on MuggleCast live.

[Feedback plays]

Andrew: Okay, here he goes.

Caller: Hello?

Andrew: Hello! Good morning.

Caller: Good morning. Actually, it’s the night. It’s in France.

Andrew: Oh, I’m sorry.

Eric: You got a guy from France call.

Matt: It’s our second guy.

Andrew: Second guy from France.

[Caller says something unintelligible]

Andrew and Matt: Yeah.

Caller: My little host brother was asking me if you guys could speak French.

Andrew: No.

Matt: No.

Andrew: Oui, oui, that’s about all I can do.

Caller: [laughs] Yeah, the trailer was good.

Andrew: Well, was there anything that really stuck out to you in particular?

Caller: I like the snow.

[Andrew laughs]

Caller: Kind of reminds me of Christmas.

Andrew: The snow was nice. We had fire last time. Now we have frozen water theme.

Caller: Yeah.

Andrew: That was nice. All right, well, Andrew, thank you for calling in with your thoughts.

Matt: Thanks, Andrew.

Caller: Yes, snow is nice.

[Caller and Matt laugh]

Andrew: All right, thank you.

Eric: Au revoir.

Andrew: Au revoir.

Matt: Au revoir.

[Caller laughs]

Matt: Overall, I suck.

Andrew: Eric, you’re so good at your French.

Eric: I know.

Matt: You must eat a lot of fries.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: All right, yeah.

Eric: Yep.


Show Close


Andrew: Yeah, okay, so I think we’re going to wrap it up today. Penny, thanks so much for joining us today. It was wonderful.

Penny: Thanks for having me. I had a good time.

Andrew: Penny from Harry Potter Prognostications. That’s HPProgs.com, right?

Matt: Yep.

Penny: Mhm. You got it.

Andrew: Excellent.

Eric: HP Progs is so cool.

Andrew: Yes, it’s a lovely podcast, and we should have you on more often.

Penny: Absolutely.

Andrew: You’re a wonderful host, and, frankly, I’m sick of Laura. It’s time to get a new female co-host.

[Eric and Penny laugh]

Penny: No, but I like Laura!

Andrew: I’m just kidding.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Penny: So far all the girls are always in or around Maryland, which is weird.

Andrew: Yeah. Laurie. [laughs] Laurie. Laura hasn’t joined us today because she was in class unfortunately. So – all right, guys, well, thank you very much for joining us. We’ll see everyone again soon. Hope everyone enjoyed the wonderful surprise given to us from WB. And I think we can all agree Summit is the most happiest about this decision today.

[Eric laughs]

Penny: Summit is the winner.

Andrew: They are. Summit is full…

Eric: But the fans should take away – the fans should take away how awesome this film is.

Andrew: Definitely.

Eric: Based on the trailer.

Andrew: Absolutely. And this show, in case you missed the beginning or something, will be released on the feed very shortly. I’ll do it right after we sign off.

Eric: Did you need me to record in Audacity?

Andrew: Yeah. You weren’t doing – no, I’m kidding. [laughs] I’m kidding, yeah.

Eric: Okay.

Andrew: LOL. Funny joke.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: All right, guys, thanks, everyone, for listening. Penny, again, thank you. Eric, thanks for joining in, even last minute, I love doing these last minute shows; they’re always – they’re always so much fun.

Eric: Touche.

Matt: Yes.

Andrew: Oh, you know what? Let’s end on something fun. We talked about Matt being on Price Is Right.

Matt: Oh, no.

Andrew: What?

Eric: I haven’t seen it. Where is it?

Andrew: Oh, well, here, you get to listen to it. It’s on YouTube, but here, we’re going to end with this. All right, here we go.

[Price Is Right clip plays]

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Andrew: He gets called down and gets to say two words on The Price Is Right: “650, Drew.”

Matt: Hey, that’s two more words than you had.

Andrew: That’s very true.

[Everyone laughs]

Penny: You’ve seriously fulfilled every one of my dreams as a child with that.

Andrew: [laughs] I know.

Matt: I didn’t really get the chance to win anything though. Now I have to wait another ten years before I can go back up there.

Andrew: Here’s the shot where he blew it.

[Price Is Right clip plays]

Andrew: Oh. For some reason I didn’t include “650, Drew.” [laughs] What!? I isolated all these different clips.

Matt: I don’t know anything about soccer equipment! How could I…

Eric: How much was it? How much was it?

Matt: It was like two grand.

Andrew: Yeah, it was over two grand.

Eric: Oh, oh, okay. I would’ve lost too.

Andrew: Here, let’s hear Matt’s voice on The Price Is Right. This’ll be exciting.

[The Price Is Right clip plays]

Andrew: [laughs] “650, Drew.”

Matt: Yeah, I’m a stud.

Andrew: [laughs] You stole that from me because I told you my dream was always to go down there and say the price “…Drew.”

Matt: I didn’t say “the price, Drew.”

Andrew: Anyway, if you want to see video of it, Matt coming down, getting called down, it’s actually on my YouTube channel, YouTube.com/Sims89. Subscribe to me too! Rate, comment, woo-hoo!

Eric: If they ask you to pull it, will you?

Andrew: Yeah, but there’s hundreds of Price Is Right clips on there. I don’t think…

Eric: Oh okay, just in case. I wonder what the timeline is between – I have to see it.

Andrew: Well, the show’s already out. It’s not like…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: …I released it before.

Eric: Okay, cool.

Andrew: All right, guys, that wraps up MuggleCast today. We’ll see everyone again soon. Thanks again, Penny, for the millionth time. We’re trying to wrap this up.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: All right, guys, the show will be on the feed later. Thank you, everyone, for joining us. This has been MuggleCast Live, discussing the brand new trailer released by Warner Brothers. All right. Goodbye, everyone!

[Music begins playing]

Eric: He’s Andrew Sims, I’m Eric Scull, and on The Price Is Right is Matt Britton.

Matt: That’s me.

Andrew: And from HP Progs is Penny. Goodbye, everybody! Have a great Friday!

Matt: Have a pleasant tomorrow.

[Song continues]

Transcript #162

MuggleCast 162 Transcript


Show Intro


[Intro music begins]

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[Harry Potter theme plays]

Jim Dale: [as Professor McGonagall] This is Professor McGonagall welcoming you all to MuggleCast hoping you enjoyed – Dobby! Dobby, come here! Here! Dobby! [as Dobby] Yes, I’d just like to say how very pleased I am to introduce MuggleCast to all of you! Thank you! Thank you!

[Show music begins]

Micah: Because we’re talking politics Potter style, this MuggleCast, Episode 162 for November 5th, 2008.

[Show music continues]

Andrew: Okay, this is our third show released in just eight days. We’re really pumping them out right now because first we had the Halloween show. Oh, no, no, no. First we had the live show – the live trailer discussion show, and then we had our Halloween show, and now we’re having our election show. All these themed podcasts that have to be out at a certain time. You know, while everyone’s still into it. So, Micah and Elysa are here. Hello, ladies.

Elysa: Hey.

Micah: Hello.

Andrew: Good to hear from you two.

Micah: Ladies?

Matt: Hey, why am I separate?

Elysa: Ladies.

Andrew: Because you’re not a lady. What?

Micah: I was going to congratulate you on the Phillies winning the World Series, too, and then you call me a lady?

Andrew: I’m not a baseball fan. I just support my home team.

Micah: Yeah, but, no, you’re a Phillies fan.

Andrew: My mom texted me today. She’s like, “I’m going to send you a Phillies shirt.” And I was like, “Oh great,” but I’m thinking like, “Why? I’m not a baseball fan.” Whatever. I’ll wear it to the gym.

Matt: It’s a free shirt.

Andrew and Micah: Yeah.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Andrew: So we have this great show. We just finished recording the discussion because Laura was involved in it too, but unfortunately she didn’t have as much time to be on the show. But that’s okay. So we have this awesome political discussion, related to Potter politics, and a whole lot more. So let’s get started. I’m Andrew Sims.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Matt: I’m Matthew Britton.

Elysa: And I’m Elysa Montfort.

[Show music continues]

Andrew: Okay, Micah, what is in the news this week?

Micah: Umm…

Andrew: What? You don’t know?

[Elysa laughs]

Andrew: Aren’t you prepared?

Micah: How am I not prepared? Sorry! I’m tired. We just discussed…

Andrew: Yeah, wah.

Micah: All right, well, anyway. Try that again. I’m sorry.


Andrew Admits He Was Wrong


Andrew: Well, here, while you’re preparing, I’ll start with this, because this is my story. On last week’s episode – well, actually it was Episode 160 – I was speculating a lot about whether or not WB would be asking for the trailer to be removed. And this isn’t really news because it wasn’t removed, but the trailer wasn’t removed! Which was kind of surprising because I heard that WB was considering it, and it looks like it never happened, so… [laughs] Just – I’d just like to admit that I was wrong. And I do make mistakes, so sorry.

Elysa: Hmm. I was surprised about that too though.

Andrew: But I think – well, thank you, Elysa. I think that it just got spread all over the Internet so quickly that…

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: …it would’ve been impossible for them to take it down.

Micah: Yeah, I think the Internet is so fast that, once it spreads – it did happen over the weekend, like you mentioned, and clearly, people are not working at WB as hard as we thought on the weekends, because, if they were, they would’ve been taken down.

Andrew: Well, I was right about that.

Micah: You were right about that, yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: I was wrong about that. I thought that they would’ve had somebody would would’ve been on this. Because you think when something like this would happen, they would be alerted to the problem, regardless of whether they’re working or not. Even if you’re at home on the weekends, all these people have Blackberries. They would know what was going on.

Andrew: Well, yeah, but they’re not checking them as frequently because it’s the weekend, and they have their personal phones with them when they’re out and about.

Micah: I guess. I guess. It was interesting, though, to me that Monday morning rolled around and, all of a sudden, they’re aware of it, but they really couldn’t do anything about it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: In the future, if you’re going to leak trailers, do it on the weekend.

Andrew: Well, that’s exactly what I was saying also. These pictures that come out every – there was a time back in May and June where a new Half-Blood Prince picture came out every Friday, and it seemed very strange. But when you think about it, it was every Friday because then – WB – that’s essentially the weekend, even though they do work on Friday’s, but WB, they can’t put it together to say, “Hey, take this down,” before they clock out for the weekend, so.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: It was kind of interesting to watch. And exciting. I know I was up early to check my e-mail to see if there was like, “Please remove immediately!”

Micah: Well, what was funny was, I did think that we had gotten something because I checked my e-mail that morning and I saw something. I’m like, wait, it’s from Scholastic not from Warner Bros., so…

Andrew: Well, that – yeah.

Micah: It threw me off a little bit.

Andrew: That’s what happens, though. Whenever there’s a big movie thing, or vice versa – whenever there’s a big movie thing, the book people come out with some announcement. Whenever there’s a big book thing, the movie people come out with some announcement to remind them that they’re still alive, and while the fan sites are active.

Micah: Well, I was nervous because you told me, “Make sure you check your e-mail tomorrow morning,” because, obviously, we have that time difference. You know, a three hour difference. So if anything did come along, you wanted me to get something up there as fast as possible or take down the trailer. And I was just sitting there all morning, and all of a sudden I saw this e-mail from the guy over at Scholastic – I forget his name – and then I thought that it was from Warner Bros., but – so I got played. I got Punk’d.

Andrew: [laughs] It is still online and, as the saying goes, once it’s on the Internet, it’s never off. It never leaves because people save these things to their computers and forget about it. It’s digital!

Micah: Who does that?

Andrew: It’s digital, baby!

Matt: Digital!

Andrew: Did anyone else save a copy?

Micah: No.

Andrew: I saved a copy in case they were going to take it down. Elysa, what were your thoughts on the trailer? You weren’t on the show, so what did you think of it?

Elysa: No, I wasn’t. I thought it was incredible! I loved it. I mean, I don’t know what else to say. I thought it was brilliant. It exceeded my expectations for sure.


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DH Hype Overshadowing HBP Hype


Micah: Something that happened this week was Robbie Coltrane, who plays Hagrid, did an interview, and he discussed a little bit about Deathly Hallows and his, I guess you would say, motorbike scene. But that’s not really what I wanted to focus on. I’m wondering now with Half-Blood Prince not coming out until July, and filming starting to take place for Deathly Hallows, are we going to see a lot of Deathly Hallows hype overtaking Half-Blood Prince? Is this maybe something that Warner Bros. didn’t think about before they decided to move the date, because I guess it wouldn’t make as much of a difference if we were somewhere in the middle with all these films, but we’re talking about the final film in the Harry Potter series start to film in February. Is this going to be a problem for Half-Blood Prince?

Andrew: I don’t really think so, because when filming starts, typically don’t see much. I mean, there’s going to be the occasional interview where they’re like, “Yeah, we just starting filming. It’s going great. It’s going to be the darkest one ever. Whatever. Sex, drugs, and Harry Potter.”

[Matt and Micah laugh]

Andrew: But I don’t think there’s going to be too much of a mix.

Micah: Yup.

Andrew: I’m looking at Half-Blood Prince background information. They started filming September 2007, and of course that was right after the final book came out, so I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t think there’s going to be a lot of mixing though. I think it’s a good point though.

Micah: Yeah, that was the one thing that came to mind. There really isn’t a whole lot to the interview. He actually did two interviews, but that was really what came to mind when I was looking. I was thinking to myself, “Hey, is this going to have any impact for Half-Blood Prince?”


News: David Heyman Interview


Micah: But somebody else who also did an interview this week was David Heyman with ComingSoon.net. And he talked about Half-Blood Prince. He said the film is complete except for a little tweak that they think that they are going to have to make. So, interesting to maybe learn down the line what that tweak is going to be.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: Well, he also noted that it’s going to be a little inconvenient to stop filming for a week when they have to go do press for Half-Blood Prince.

Micah: Well, he can complain to Warner Bros. then.

Andrew: Yeah. He only said a week, though, which kind of surprised me, because the premieres themselves are usually two weeks apart, and around both of those premieres, doing interviews and such – although I guess the U.K. premiere isn’t hard to get to, I mean, it’s an
hour drive down from Leavesden Studios, so. I don’t know. That was – he does seem – when you read this interview, don’t you get a little feeling of frustration from him?

Micah: Well, didn’t he do an interview before this, though, where he talked about the film being pushed back and he said that he didn’t really see a problem with it?
I forget the exact…

Andrew: Yeah, he did. Yeah…

Micah: …quote.

Andrew: …yeah, yeah. He said – he reiterated what he said in this interview, too, which is that “WB is so good to us that we can’t complain.”

Matt: You don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Well, maybe it’s because for a lot of these people that are involved in the movie, I would think that their schedules are dependent upon all these releases and events that they have to go to once the film is finally complete. And so if you’re planning everything for November, and then all of a sudden you get thrown into the middle of July, I mean they’ll be working on Deathly Hallows, but who knows what
else he could have been working on at the time also, or will be working on at the time, because I’m sure he doesn’t stick solely to one film.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: Maybe that’s what he’s frustrated about. But he’s always seemed to identify more with the fans, too, if you think about it, even from the interview you guys did
with him, I think it was for Goblet of Fire. He always seems to identify with the fans, so maybe he’s just as upset about it getting pushed back.

Andrew: Yeah, definitely.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: Wouldn’t it be funny if like the Dark Knight DVD did so well, because they’re in a new fiscal year now – at least in the U.S. they are – wouldn’t it be funny if the Dark Knight DVD did so well for this fiscal year that they’re like, “Oh, you know what? Yeah, we’re set for 2009 too, so you’ll see HBP in 2010.”

Micah: [laughs] Yeah, that wouldn’t be good…

Andrew: No.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: No, that’d be bad.

Micah: To put it lightly.

Andrew: But it’s kind of surprising though. I mean, you know, it’s how easy a film can be moved just because another film in the same fiscal year does so well.

Micah: Right, and something of the magnitude of Harry Potter. This…

Andrew: I may be – yeah. Just a little disclaimer, I may be wrong about that fiscal year, because in the U.S. it’s from – it starts in October and ends in September, and obviously Half-Blood Prince came out – would come out in November, which is not the same fiscal year as Dark Knight, so I don’t know what I’m saying.

[Elysa and Matt laugh]

Andrew: The point is that it’s amazing how quickly they would move this just because one film does extremely well.

Micah: Right, right.

Matt: Mhm.

Micah: All right.

Andrew: I mean, Arthur – there’s got to be some big WB films coming out in 2010 other than Harry Potter, and Harry Potter‘s got a November release in 2010, so…

Micah: For now.

Andrew: …frankly I’m scared. Yeah, for now.

Matt: I don’t – no, they’re not going to delay any more movies.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Micah: Well…

Andrew: Yeah, well, six months ago WB said they would have…

Micah: …I’m not really sure they had any good reason to delay this one, to be honest with you, so…

Matt: No, and I agree with you totally on that, Micah. I really think that it wasn’t that great of a reason. It was – I mean, it’s all about money, but still, I
mean, they should have a good movie every year.

Andrew: Well, they did. Dark Knight. So that’s why they’re pushing the Harry Potter back. [laughs]

Matt: Well, I know. I mean they should have already planned that for the next year.

Andrew: Mmm.

Matt: Just shows you how much faith they had in Dark Knight.

Andrew: Yeah. Anyway, what else is going on?


News: Jo Updates Site


Micah: All right, J.K. Rowling updated her site

Matt: Oh!

Micah: …this past week, finally. Even though she hasn’t updated her journal on the home page since about December ’07…

Andrew: Yeah, I noticed that. Kind of old.

Micah: So she’s trying to go for the whole year without making an update to that. But she did update the news section with her official plans for the Beedle the Bard release on December the 4th, and she will be holding a tea party.

Andrew: Awww. La-dee-da.

Micah: Yeah. Isn’t that exciting?

[Andrew and Elysa laugh]

Micah: Sorry. [laughs]

Andrew: No, it’s nice, it’s nice.

Micah: It’s different. It’s, you know…

Andrew: Yeah, well, Jo’s done a couple tea parties for Beedle the Bard, I’m pretty sure already.

Matt: I love tea.

Andrew: Yeah, yes you do. But you know how Jo has sort of done, like, something for Christmas every year for the fans, like on her fansite? Maybe there’ll be something this year. I can’t think of what, but maybe some sort of exclusive or something. You know? You know what I’m saying?

Micah: Right, but…

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: …it’ll be interesting to see how well this book does in the hype and excitement that surrounds it. Clearly it’s not going to be the level of one of her
previous seven books, but the difference this time I think with the money going to charity, the Children’s High Level Group, I think a lot of Potter fans will want to contribute in that way.


Andrew’s Cryptic Announcement


Andrew: Oh yeah, it’s a great cause. And speaking of that, nothing is official yet. Well, actually it is, but we can’t officially announce it yet. If you live in the U.K., specifically London, or if you can get to London easily for a Beedle the Bard midnight release, I would strongly recommend you keep your plans cleared. Or if you’re in the U.S. and looking for a good reason to go to the U.K., not just for a book release, but a certain Harry Potter podcast doing a certain midnight release for a certain book coming out in December. So…

[Micah laughs]

Matt: Wow, geez.

Micah: Well, that was vague.

Andrew: I know.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I’m just saying.

Matt: Geez. Way to be cryptic, Andrew.

Andrew: If by chance we were to do something like that I would keep your plans clear. Announcement coming in the next couple weeks. If something were to happen.

[Elysa and Matt laugh]

Micah: I would hope that the next couple of days – the next couple of weeks you’ll already be at the event.

Andrew: That’s true. People need time to book their train tickets and stuff, so in the next week or so you should hear from us and from the bookstore starting in “W” and ending in “aterstones.”

Matt: Ooh.

[Elysa and Micah laugh]

Matt: I mean, how many more Harry Potter books is J.K. Rowling going to write? I mean, this is the – this is probably like the only relevant book…

Andrew: I hope she writes more related to this. Or Harry Potter related.

Matt: She might, but who knows what she’s going to do? I still want to see what kind of books she’s been saying she’s going to write about.

Andrew: You know what’s – sorry, what?

Matt: Well, in that suspenseful book that she was saying she was writing. I haven’t heard anything about that.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Anyway, what?

Andrew: And I think that – is that all for the news this week? I think it is.

Matt: Yep.

Andrew: Cool.


Announcement: Vote for MuggleCast in the Podcast Awards


Andrew: All right, moving onto announcements this week. Don’t forget to vote for us in the…

Andrew and Matt: Podcast Awards.

Andrew: The 2008 Podcast Awards are happening right now and voting is going through, what, November…

Micah: 6th.

Andrew: There’s a few more days left. Sixth.

Matt: Do you – do you have to vote everyday?

Andrew: You don’t have to vote everyday, but you should to help us win. You can vote once every 24 hours. So if you vote at 3PM one day you cannot vote before 3PM the next day. So you have to vote at 3:01PM.

Matt: Oh, that makes sense.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: MuggleCast is nominated in Entertainment and our other Twilight podcast, Imprint, is nominated in the Cultural Arts category.

Elysa: Woot!

Andrew: So feel free – woot woot – so feel free to vote too for other podcasts, too, in the other categories, and thank you so much for your support.


Muggle Mail: Harry Potter Books in School


Andrew: Let’s move onto Muggle Mail. Elysa, do you want to take the first one?

Elysa: Sure. This one’s from Jason Millis:

“This sort of goes with Micah’s idea at the end of the debate subject. Many schools have a program that kids can choose a book to read for a reading project. I think that would be a great place to put the book in the curriculum. That way kids could choose. They should only use Book 1 in the curriculum, wherever they put it, because the suspense could push them further. When they do it – or when they do it at our school rather, they give us an excerpt, sometimes a chapter to read, and see if we want to read the book. Kids might respond to that because they may know someone who reads the books or have seen the movies. The kids could tell their friends about them and their friends would read it too. The parents would also have less of a case against the school districts because their kids aren’t being forced to read them. I wouldn’t have enjoyed the books as much if I did have to read them. I think it was sort of like when I practice my violin. I enjoy practicing when I decide to, not when my parents say ‘go practice.'”

Andrew: Yeah. So I think that’s a pretty interesting way of looking at it.

Elysa: Yeah, that’s a good point.

Micah: Yeah. I don’t even remember my point from the last episode, to be honest. [laughs]

[Elysa laughs]

Micah: It feels like so long ago with all the episodes we’ve recorded over the last week.

Andrew: That’s true.

Micah: Yeah, no, this is an interesting point.

Andrew: Everyone liked your feedback about it the most, Micah, judging by all the e-mails we got about it.

Micah: What can I say? I should be a moderator more often.

Andrew and Matt: Yeah.

Elysa: You should. You should take Jim Lehrer’s place.

Micah: Yeah.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Matt: I don’t know who he is. Okay.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: He is a news anchor on PBS.


Muggle Mail: “Forced” to Read Harry Potter Pays Off


Matt: Our next email comes from Corey, and he writes:

“Hi guys. Strangely enough, Micah’s suggestion at the end of one of the books being mandated in one of my classes was how I got into the series. I, too, had dismissed the series as hype at first but was required for a children’s literature class in college to read ‘Sorcerer’s Stone.’ I bought the book, and even though the course was cancelled, due to low enrollment, I figured I’d see what all the fuss was about. Around six years later, one attempt at dressing up this year, and devouring just about everything I could get my hands on in relation to the series, I’m still a ‘Potter’ geek at 26 and am really grateful I was ‘forced’ to read the first one. Thanks again, and you guys still rock.”

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, I’m just – whenever I read a book – I remember in Rowan I had a literature class, and I would read these books, and I always thought to myself, I would enjoy this a lot more if I could read it on my own time, just taking my time with reading it, and not having to pick a book apart and write summaries of it and stuff like that. It just – sometimes that kind of thing can turn you off from reading a book.

Micah: Right. I still think the first book should be mandated, just because I think the role that it’s played in our culture over the last couple of years – decade, whatever you want to call it at this point. But to me, I think, though, when you look at how many fans there are of Harry Potter, I think the next generation, our children, we’re probably going to have them read it anyway. If you think about it, it’s not going to be something that they’re going to be forced fed in school. It’s going to be something that we’re either going to read to them or, at some point, have them read themselves just because we know the importance of it.

Matt: Well, I definitely think that in college it’s going to be required for certain types of classes.

Micah: I agree.

Matt: Like in Corey’s case.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: We’ve already seen some Harry Potter classes in schools that actually do this in colleges. There’s the occasional news report about it and there’s the occasional news story, so it is happening.

Matt: Do any of you guys have a certain book that you were forced to read in class but then you just read it at a later time in your own pace and you actually liked it?

Andrew: No, but when I read a book in class I feel like I would enjoy it more if I wasn’t been pressured into reading it by certain dates and such. That’s what really turns me off. But then again, teachers have to do that or else they’ll never know who’s…

Matt: They’ll never read it.

Andrew: Exactly, so you can’t win.

[Micah laughs]

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Unless you’re really studious. And final e-mail from today. Micah, you want to take that?


Muggle Mail: Rowling as a Man


Micah: Sure. It comes from Harry Parker-hill, Boston, England. Does that mean Boston in New England or Boston, England?

Andrew: Boston in England, I think.

Micah: Oh.

Andrew: There’s a Boston in England, right?

Micah: Sure.

Elysa: Sure.

Micah: Anyway. [laughs]

“Hey, just responding…”

Matt: I think he meant New England.

Micah: Yeah. I don’t think Harry knows where he lives, but thats okay.

“Hey, just responding to your discussion
about J.K. Rowling as a man. I think that if she were a man the books wouldn’t even have been written, and here’s why: we all know that J.K. went through her depression after her disastrously short marriage and pregnancy, and this is really what made her write the books, because she had nothing else to lose. But if she were a man, she would never have gotten pregnant, I hope, and therefore would have been able to go out to work. Consequently…”
[laughs] “…she wouldn’t have been able to put the idea on paper purely because she would’ve had to work for a living. Thanks for the great show, Harry.”

Andrew: I mean, you guys laugh, but I think she does bring up…

Matt: She does bring up a very good point.

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, her daughter is what partly defined her. Her relationship with her sister did that too, so – I think that was an interesting perspective and, actually, Harry was not the only person who sent that in. And
by the way, Boston, there is a Boston in England. I just looked it up on Google Maps.

Micah: Yeah. But I just don’t like the point of where she talks about – oh, sorry, he talks about her getting pregnant and therefore would’ve been able to go out to work. I’m pretty sure she still worked when she was pregnant, or at
least attempted to, and even after she had the child, was working as well. I could be wrong on that, but I just don’t see how that would deter her from writing the series if she wasn’t pregnant. You know what I mean?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Micah: This idea that she would’ve worked for a living – she still does work for a living. She
writes. You know, that’s an occupation last time I checked.

Matt: Well, it definitely wouldn’t have been the same book.

Andrew: Yeah. It’s just an interesting perspective. I think that…

Micah: I don’t think so. Anyway.

[Andrew, Elysa, and Micah laugh]

Andrew: All right, well, I appreciated it, Harry. Thank you.

Micah: I kid.

Andrew: All right, Laura is joining us now. Hi, Laura!

Laura: Hi everybody.

Elysa: Thompson!

Andrew: How are you doing?

Laura: Good, good. Thanks for letting me join you so last minute here.


Main Discussion: Politics in Potter


Andrew: Oh, well, anything. We’d do anything for you. So this week, as I mentioned earlier, we are going to have our “Politics in Potter” discussion, and…

Matt: Should we really talk about politics? Can’t we just stick to the Harry Potter please?

Andrew: This is – yes…

Matt: Thank you.

Andrew: …average MuggleCast fan. No, this is – we’re going to be sticking to the Harry Potter politics. We’re not going to be getting…

Matt: Oh.

Laura: Well, no promises.

Andrew: Well, at times we may want to.

[Andrew and Matt laughs]

Andrew: All right, so, Micah and Laura, you guys created this whole discussion, so throw it over to you guys.


Parallels to Regimes


Micah: Yep. Well, as you mentioned, it’s timely to be discussing politics on the Potter series, and I guess we divided it up into some major themes that we’ll be going through, but there is a statement that was made by J.K. Rowling on the Harry Potter series as a whole, and I’m not quite sure when she made it, but it must have been close to when the series was over. She said:

“I wanted Harry to leave our world and find exactly the same problems in the Wizarding World. You have the intent to impose a hierarchy, you have bigotry, and this notion of purity, which is this great fallacy. But it crops up all over the world. People like to think themselves superior, and if they can pride themselves on nothing else, they can pride themselves on perceived purity. So yeah, that follows a parallel to Nazism. It wasn’t really exclusively that. I think you can see in the Ministry, even before it’s taken over, there are
parallels to regimes we all know and love.”

So, with that being said, what regimes that we all know and love do you guys think she’s talking about?

Andrew: Well, one we’ve discussed on the show all the time: World War II. Just the parallel between Nazi Germany and Voldemort and his Death Eaters, correct?

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, that’s really strong.

Micah: I think she may have been focusing on some other regimes that are a little bit more contemporary.

Laura: I was thinking…

Andrew: Like what?

Laura: …a lot of the press, and how corrupt our – and not just ours, but press all over the world – is. So – and we can get more into that later.

Matt: Do you mean more like press as in media press?

Laura: Media, news outlets, newspapers, any kind of news outlet where you go to get stories and where you go to get your updates. It is all corrupt. And I will tell you why. Later.

Micah: [laughs] So you’re going to give us a little bit of a speech on why the media is corrupt?

Laura: Yes.

Micah: Is that what you’re saying?

Laura: Mhm.

Micah: Cool.

Matt: I have a feeling Laura’s going to be talking a lot about propaganda too.

Laura: Yeah.

[Micah laughs]

Laura: Courtesy of my propaganda class. That class is awesome. But anyway, go ahead.

Micah: I just thought she did a really good job when she said that she wanted Harry to experience the same things that take place in the real world. And I guess that’s what we’re going to be talking about here. But the first major theme that we all wanted to talk about – and, Andrew, you just alluded to it a little bit – was racism, ethnic cleansing, and Nazism and their role in the Harry Potter series. And we’re probably going to spend a majority, I would say, of the discussion on this, because it plays such a huge role. Does anyone else want to take the first point? Talking about really where this all got its origin from that we learn about in the series?

Laura: Sure. I mean, as we all know, the origination of that idea of blood purity comes from Salazar Slytherin – or at least as far as we know. I’m sure he was influenced by somebody else, but that’s really where we see that sort of ideology take its flight. And he was essentially saying that he only wanted a school where pureblooded witches and wizards were able to learn. Of course, the other founders didn’t agree with that so he was able to have his House. And we actually have a quote from the sorting song where it says, “We’ll teach just those whose ancestry is purest,” and that he took only pureblood wizards of great cunning, just like him. So what do you guys – can you draw any sort of parallels to anything contemporary or maybe somewhat contemporary based off that? Like do we have anything sort of like that going on now?


Parallels to Schools


Andrew: We really don’t. I mean, the only thing that would come to mind to me – but this doesn’t even seem that similar – is just like all boys’ school or all girls’ schools or – and this is even a further stretch – but like special education schools where schools just tailor to one specific group of people. And the purebloods were a specific group of people, so I don’t know. Is that a good connection? Or is that…

Laura: No, I think it’s valid.

Micah: Yeah. I think it’s interesting you brought up schooling, because there’s also schools that obviously you can get into based upon your last name or your class status that maybe people who are not as high up in social standing or don’t have that same last name wouldn’t be admitted entrance into that particular school.

Andrew: Mhm.


Parallels to Darfur


Micah: I was thinking more along the lines of what’s going on in Darfur.

Elysa: Mhm.

Micah: And just the overall practices that are being used there in terms of ethnic cleansing and things along that line. I mean, certainly all of this got its beginning with Slytherin, and he even created the Chamber of Secrets with the intention of someday having an heir who would be able to open it and purge the school of those who are not pureblood. And that just whole notion is a really scary thought.

Matt: Yeah.

Elysa: And you know what? Just in relation to the genocide in Sudan that you were just talking about, that sort of reminds me of the government’s creation of the Janjaweed militia, because it was sort of created for the precise purpose of eradicating those of different ethnicities, so it reminds me a lot of the Chamber of Secrets, the creation of that for the pure, explicit purpose of ethnic cleansing reminds me a lot of the Janjaweed.

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Parallels Between Salazar Slytherin and Politicians


Laura: You know what kind of bothers me about this whole scenario, is that Slytherin actually created this with the attempt of letting an heir do it for him. And I’m still kind of confused as to why he didn’t do it himself if he was so hell bent on it. And it almost gives him a god-like reverence to his followers, you know?

Elysa: Mhm.

Laura: To anybody who would look up to Salazar Slytherin, it’s like…

Andrew: He’s the original?

Laura: Right. Like he – it’s almost like a god-like way, and I really – I see a parallel, and I’m not going to name specific names, but there have been people – politicians and terrorists otherwise – who have stated that they were meant to do something because of either a god or someone who lived a very long time ago. And I think that’s kind of an unsettling sort of parallel. I don’t know.

Matt: I think that the reason why Salazar Slytherin made the Chamber of Secrets was because at that time when he made it, he knew that he couldn’t do the things that he wanted to do because he couldn’t – wasn’t a good match against Godric Gryffindor and the other founders. So he knew that he would have to do something. So after he would have to leave, someone else could finish the job for him.

Elysa: Mhm.

Laura: Yeah. It’s just – I don’t know. It’s hard for me to understand why he did it the way he did, just because he did leave the school eventually anyway, so it just seems like it would make more sense if his overall goal was to purge the world, and the school more specifically, of people who weren’t pureblooded, then I think that he would just set the monster loose and then leave, but…

Elysa: Right.

Micah: Right. But I mean, this gets into a deeper discussion, I guess, about all the Hitler references and the Nazi references that I’m sure we’ll talk about a little bit later on, but with Slytherin, his mindset was just that only those of the purest blood and nobody else. And that’s a pretty prejudicial stance to have on anything.

Andrew: Oh, he’s just being naive if he assumes that forever and always after he created Hogwarts was just purebloods, that wizards – other wizards would never be educated. I mean, somebody would stand up and do something. Wouldn’t he have thought that?


Dehumanization


Micah: Yeah, but what’s interesting is even some of the greatest characters in the series that we tend to identify with a little bit more, those that are on the supposed good side, identified with that type of thinking early on in their life, and particularly Dumbledore. And I know we’ll talk about him right now. But he was somebody that we saw and we learned about in King’s Cross that had a very, very sort of issue. A big issue with power. And he himself thought about how great it would be to have this power over Muggles and people who weren’t of the wizarding blood.

Laura: Yeah, and there were sort of – and I mean, okay. There was sort of a similar attitude held here in the United States for a period of time, when it comes to control of certain groups and what they’re doing. When we were having a great influx of immigrants from Eastern Europe, particularly, the United States was actually sterilizing these people to keep them from breeding, because they didn’t want – yeah, this was the time – it’s sort of a parallel to now, because now we have such a great influx of immigrants from Mexico and other Latin American countries, and people really – or there’s at least a very large sentiment against these people who are coming, and it’s the same way people felt particularly against the Irish when they came here. So it’s sort of like that same idea of putting them – making them their own group, and sort of dehumanizing them, and then making it okay to deny them their basic human rights, which is what I think Slytherin was doing, or attempting to do, by not allowing Half-bloods and Muggle-borns education.

Elysa: Mhm.


Those Who Want Power Should Not Have Power


Micah: Yeah, and I mean, like I said, he wasn’t the only one that thought along these lines. I know we have a quote here about Dumbledore and Grindelwald, but anybody want to read it?

Laura: The quote is, “It is a curious thing, Harry, but perhaps those who are best suited to power are those who have never sought it. Those who, like you, have leadership thrust upon them and take up the mantle because they must, and find to their own surprise that they will wear it well.”

Andrew: Well, and it’s also been discussed that Harry has a lot of qualities. That quote reminds me of this. Harry Potter has a lot of qualities like Salazar. They were both Parselmouths, they were both resourceful, they had a lot of determination. I mean, these qualities – what is Dumbledore trying to say here exactly?

Laura: Well, he’s basically trying to say that people who desire power and desire to be leaders are probably not the best people to do it, because they become easily corrupt.

Andrew: Oh.

Laura: Which kind of – I mean, just looking at the election, I always kind of felt like anybody who would want to run for President must be somewhat of an egomaniac, because – whoa.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: Because that is quite an undertaking, and it’s like – it makes you wonder, what is the motivation behind the people…

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: …who are running for a public office?

Andrew: And – well, that’s a good point, because you have to wonder – they always say, you know, “I’m doing it for you guys!” But are they really? I mean…

Matt: Mhm.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: Is there anyone out there who’s that in love with the people of America so much that they would take a role as huge as President?

Elysa: I mean, I don’t know. Honestly, speaking as someone who has plans to be a politician one day, I can personally say that that’s my motivation. I’m not kidding.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: But you’re special, Elysa.

Elysa: Maybe that’s really naive.

Laura: You’re special, though.

Elysa: I am. It’s because I’m a badger, isn’t it? I’m a Hufflepuff.

Laura: Yeah.

Elysa: I know. But in all seriousness, I think – I mean, I think there’s a distinction to be made as well. I think that seizing power and – is completely different than putting yourself up for a vote and respecting the rules of democracy and of a republic. But you see with Voldemort, and every other dictator in the world, whether Stalin, or Hitler, or Mussolini, they’ve all seized power and taken it for themselves through a revolution or revolt on that, you know, oftentimes, is completely ignore the rule of law, so I think there is a really big difference between trying to take power for yourself and then to trying to just integrate into a political system.

Matt: Mhm.

Micah: Right.

Matt: Well, I think what J.K. Rowling meant when she did that quote was that she meant – she meant to say that leaders, the great leaders, are born when problems arise and when a leader is needed. I don’t think – I think she means that when you seek power for too much – for more than personal gain, like Andrew said, you just get easily corrupted and you just get – there’s no balance between them.

Elysa: Mmm.

Micah: I think, Elysa, what you said too, the difference between those people you brought up and Dumbledore down the road is that he admits himself that he learned that he was not to be trusted with any sort of power. And…

Elysa: Right.

Micah: We see him tell Harry specifically that he would have never taken the role of Minister of Magic for fear of him being corrupted by that power. Just because of the other things that he enlightens with Harry. And he says – and I’ll just read this quote here real fast. But he says:

“Grindelwald. You cannot imagine how his ideas caught me, Harry, inflamed me. Muggles forced into subservience. We wizards triumphant. Grindelwald and I, the glorious young leaders of the revolution. Oh, I had a few scruples. I assuaged my conscience with empty words. It would all be for the greater good, and any harm done would be repaid a hundredfold in the benefit for wizards. Did I know, in my heart of hearts, what Gellert Grindelwald was? I think I did, but I closed my eyes. If the plans we were making came to fruition, all my dreams would come true.”

So…

Laura: Oh, Dumbledore.

Micah: And that’s Dumbledore speaking.

Matt: Yeah, that kind of upsets me. Like he would – he knows – he knows in the back of his mind about what’s really happening but he just chooses to ignore it and just try to – let Grindelwald cloud his mind. And he lets him do it, and he knows he’s doing it.

Andrew: Because he had a fascination with him!

Matt: I know…

Andrew: Like, J.K. Rowling said…

Matt: That’s what upsets me a little bit. But…

Elysa: Well, I mean, here’s the thing, is that at least I think it happens to most people in their lives, at some point. Probably not on such a grand scale as planning a revolution or an oppression of the people. But I think that – I would say the majority of people are fascinated and overtaken by some kind of concept or person, but not everyone – in fact very few people – have the courage and their perspective to look back and realize that’s what happened and to admit to it. So for me, that whole dynamic that Dumbledore plays out here in this scene made me kind of respect him and love him even more, in a way. Because I felt like it just – it proved how wise he was, because a lot of times being wise isn’t about always being right. It’s about being able to admit when you were wrong.

Matt: Mhm.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Well, yeah, but as we discussed before, this just makes Dumbledore a very real person too.

Micah: Yeah.

Elysa: Yeah, exactly.

Micah: But it also shows that even somebody as great as him and as good as him had these ideas in his head, even though it was probably at a relatively young age. But it just shows that how these ideas really can take hold of people, and how power is really a dangerous thing.

Elysa: Mhm.


Parallel Between Deathly Hallows Symbol and Swastika


Micah: But I guess we can move on. And I know we’ve talked about this on past shows, but the Deathly Hallows symbol shows up on the walls at Durmstrang, and it really did remind me of how the Nazis would use the Swastika in different places to instill fear in those – and it’s not just in World War II; it’s obviously still used to this day to sort of represent racism and prejudice and things of that nature.

Elysa: Well, you know what I found the most fascinating about this, is that both symbols begin out – they originated in sort of like a benign fashion.

Matt: Exactly. I was going to say that too.

Elysa: Yeah, the Swastika originally – it actually – originally I think it was sand script for Swastika, which means “to be good.” And it was used all across central Europe and even actually in a lot of Native American cultures. It’s one of the most universal symbols that there are – that there is. And it was transformed completely by this propaganda of nationalism that the Nazis employed, and so now, even though for 3,000 years it existed as a symbol of peace and good nature, in a course of a few years, a decade, now we look back on it and we see it as a symbol of prejudice and hate. And in a lot of ways rightly so, but it’s the same thing with the Deathly Hallows symbol. I mean, essentially, when you break it down, it’s just a wand and a stone and a cloak, and it originated from a legend – a fairy tale, and it was completely transformed by hate.

Matt: Mhm.

Micah: Right.

Laura: Yeah, and another…

Micah: It’s interesting – go ahead.

Laura: Oh. I was just going to say, another – and this sort of relates to the propaganda thing that Elysa was talking about – but another sort of parallel you can see between the two symbols is they are both so simple. Like, the whole point of having a propaganda campaign…

Elysa: Mhm.

Laura: …is you want it to be simple, because you want people to remember it. If the Swastika had had tons of elaborate…

Elysa: Exactly.

Laura: …design, people wouldn’t remember it as well as they do. But it’s stark, it’s simple, and it just sticks in our brains. And what better symbols to use in the wizarding world than a wand, a cloak, and, what, the Resurrection Stone? Which apparently…

Matt: Yeah.

Laura: …is engrained in bedtime stories…

Elysa: Yeah.

Laura: …that you hear from when you’re a child. So… [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: But when you say “remember,” do you mean it’s easy to remember for people to use so that they can instill that fear?

Laura: No, it’s – I mean, it’s just easy to remember in general. Like you see it and you know. Who didn’t know what the Swastika was when they were a child? Even if you didn’t know all the history behind it, you still knew it was a bad symbol, because you’d been brought up to think that way. Anytime you saw it on a book somewhere, it was some – a book with a negative connotation about Nazism, for instance. You know?

Andrew: Yeah. But for argument’s sake…

Micah: Right.

Andrew: …I mean, is simplicity really what sticks with people in their mind?

Laura: Yes.

Andrew: Because if you think of something – really?

Laura: Yes.

Elysa: Yeah. Well, when you’re trying to make an argument about something, especially when it’s an irrational argument, and a racist or prejudiced argument, the best way to do it is to simplify and to demonize the people.

Andrew: Hmm.

Elysa: So you take a whole race or something and you simplify them to – so they’re not even really humans anymore. They’re just objectified. And when you objectify something, you are inherently simplifying it. And so that’s why propagandists will always use a lot of really simplistic symbols and signs, and even catchphrases, to get their point across.

Laura: Yeah. And honestly, as bad as it sounds, the Nazis were brilliant propagandists. There’s…

Elysa: No, they were. Can’t deny it.

Laura: …absolutely no way around it.

Andrew: Mhm.

Laura: Why do you think that to this day politicians hold these huge rallies? Because it’s harder to have your own individual thought and to actually interpret what they’re telling you when you’re standing in a crowd of 10,000 people screaming. And that’s exactly what the Nazis did. They gave these people their little Swastika flags, and starting yelling about – you know, Hitler did a lot of yelling. [laughs]

[Elysa and Micah laugh]


Manipulation


Laura: And people took it, because it’s so – if you’re sitting across a table from Hitler, it’s much easier to sort of reflect on what he’s saying. But when you’re shouting at the top of your lungs because you feel that your country’s economy has been driven into the ground because of one race, it’s much harder to reflect on that. And that’s what made them so brilliant in what they did, because they knew how to manipulate people.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Mhm.

Laura: And I think Voldemort did too.

Micah: Well, he played…

Andrew: Yeah, I think you’re right.

Micah: I think he played on their fears and insecurities more than Hitler did. Maybe I could be wrong on that, but I think that maybe that’s a shared characteristic between the two of them, and I think that’s how they were able to motivate. You used the example of, hey, the Jewish people are responsible for all the failures in the economy at the time in Europe, and Voldemort kind of did the same thing, saying, oh, well, if we don’t take care of the non-purebloods, then all these half-bloods and Muggles are going to come along and they’re going to take all the jobs away, or they’re going to really just – I guess take the things away from the purebloods that he believed was their given right.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: Well, and I mean, I think you said that you’re not sure if Voldemort played off their more – their insecurities more than Hitler did, but I think that we just see it more throughout the Harry Potter books than we really saw with Harry.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: But I mean, you’ve got to think about – think about the diary of Anne Frank. I mean, talk about playing off insecurities. There’s some serious insecurity there, so…

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: I think we just read about it more in this book.

Elysa: I think Hitler, more than anything, played off of anger than anything else, because the Nazi people – or not the Nazi people, listen to me. Geez. The German people – [laughs] – the German people, they were really – they weren’t insecure as much as they were angry over the Treaty of Versailles, the War Guilt Clause, and things of that nature. And so I think, more than any other emotion, Hitler fed off of anger and discontent than insecurity, but that’s just my perspective.

Micah: Well, speaking of Voldemort, let’s…

Andrew: Hey, can I bring something up?

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Just before we move on, though.

Micah: Sure.


The Reason for the Parallels


Andrew: I think that the reason that J.K. Rowling brings all these parallels into the books, like the ones we’re discussing right now, is because those – these parallels are really what can be – get – bring the most emotion out of reading them. Because it’s already been proven and tested that these kinds of stories can really bring a lot of emotion out of people. So I think that – I’m not saying that J.K. Rowling’s just going the easy way by using a similar story, but I think that it’s just a proven formula that works, and I think maybe that was her thinking behind it, perhaps?

Micah: Yeah. I mean, I wouldn’t even say that…

Andrew: Or one of the reasons.

Micah: …it’s – that you could call it an easy route. I think that it takes a lot of creativity…

Andrew: No. Oh yeah.

Micah: …to be able to weave that…

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Micah: …into a story, and really – to have people look through it, pick out the comparisons. And maybe there are a lot of things that are in there that are just coincidence, too. But I think, though, knowing her background, knowing that she used to be a teacher, that there are these events that you can compare to what happened in the real world, and they’re there for a reason. And I think the biggest one is hopefully that people learn from them.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: You know, they can draw similar conclusions and comparisons, and they in themselves can learn from it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: I really don’t think it’s a coincidence, to be honest with you, though. I feel like all this stuff was written for a reason.

Micah: Not after the – not after that opening quote about how she wanted Harry to face the same things in his world as – that took place in the…

Andrew: Oh yeah.


Comparing Voldemort and Hitler


Micah: In the real world, so. But I guess we can move on to Voldemort, right?

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I mean, we can start with the basic facts. We mentioned before that he was the Heir of Slytherin. And something interesting about him was that he himself was a half-blood. And we all know that Hitler wasn’t very representative of the Aryan race that he prized so much.

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: Blonde hair, blue eyes. If you look at a picture of Hitler, he definitely did not have those qualities. And again, I just thought that that was an interesting similarity. Voldemort himself is so gung ho about purebloods, and yet he himself is a half-blood. Isn’t that somewhat hypocritical?

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I guess more so what I wondered was, does he no longer consider himself a half-blood once be becomes Voldemort? Is he now Voldemort the pureblood…

Andrew: He’s just Voldemort, yeah.

Micah: …crazy wizard.

Matt: He’s just – he doesn’t even talk about it. I don’t even think he thinks about it anymore. It’s not even an issue in his mind.

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, he hates himself for being a half-blood. So, yeah. He would – he’s Voldemort.

Matt: Yeah, he doesn’t even consider himself any type of blood. He considers himself immortal.

Laura: Yeah. And although – I will point out that being blonde-haired and blue-eyed wasn’t really a necessity to be part of the Nazi Party. I mean, I know if you look at any number of Nazi propaganda films like Triumph of the Will, you’ll see all these strapping young blonde-haired, blue-eyed soldiers. But actually, what the Nazis believed was that you could be Aryan and have non-Aryan features, because – and this was how they would put it – your ancestors had mixed with the Slavs, or something like that. There’s actually a really great film called Europa Europa about a young Jewish boy who actually infiltrated the Hitler Youth school, and it’s a true story. And they actually brought him up to the front of the classroom and did all the weird scientific measurements they did that would justify whether you were Aryan or not. And they would sit – and they said that this young Jewish boy was of pure Aryan descent, but that he had – that his ancestors had just mixed around a little bit with Slavs and it really wasn’t his fault. So that’s kind of how they viewed that, but I don’t know. I just thought I’d throw that out there.

Matt: Good.

Micah: Yeah. The next couple points are not mine, so I’m going to defer to whoever put them in there.

Andrew: We’re going to turn it over to Laura.

Laura: I didn’t put that there.

Elysa: I think I – I think I put that…

Micah: [laughs] Or Elysa.

[Everyone laughs]

Elysa: Well, the next point was just that both Voldemort and Hitler had experiences in their youth that contributed to their adult prejudices. Voldemort, obviously, with the orphanage and how he always talks about sort of being ostracized and being the odd man out, and not fitting in, and indeed getting so frustrated and angry about it that he would attack the other students and use his magic against them. But Hitler had a similar experience when he was growing up. Hitler was actually Austrian. He was born in Austria. And when he grew up in his town the economy was terrible, primarily because of the reparations that Austria had to pay after World War I. And he blamed the economy on the Jewish people because there was a high percentage of Jews in his particular town. So he just made this very, again, simplistic though largely inaccurate connection between Jews and the economy. And this experience as a youth and growing up in sort of like an impoverished country is a huge factor for why he had a prejudice against Jews later on in his life.

Micah: And then you also mentioned that they both failed in their initial attempts to seize power?

Elysa: Oh, yeah, sorry, I lost the place in the Google doc.

Laura: Isn’t that when he wrote that huge rambling sentence of a novel, Mein Kampf? Didn’t he write that in prison?

Elysa: [laughs] Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. Hitler tried seizing power first with the Beer Hall Pusch, and it failed miserably, and he almost – he contemplated suicide afterwards and was thrown in jail and that’s where he wrote Mein Kampf. But then, of course, later, his second rise to power, he was much more successful, or closer to succeeding in what his ultimate goal was. And I see a parallel with Voldemort as well. Just in that…

Micah: Right.

Elysa: …Voldemort tried to rise to power, failed. And he failed the second time as well, but so did Hitler. But I think the second time they both came closer.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Mhm.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: This is a – these parallels really are – this may sound weird, but I think they are pretty beautiful. Just like comparing the Death Eaters to Nazi Germany.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: It’s just so well done.


Comparing Death Eaters and Nazi Soldiers


Micah: Well, we can talk about them, I guess. [laughs] You know, Voldemort, he organized an army who followed his every word and feared his every act. And Elysa and Laura, you guys are far more informed on this than I am, but I know Hitler did some of the same things. But wasn’t it more because people actually believed in what he said, not that they feared his every act?

Elysa: Yeah. I mean, there was, like I said, there was a lot of anger with Hitler. There was a lot of anger among the German people for the reparations and the War Guilt Clause in the Treaty of Versailles. So it started out initially – I think eventually it definitely evolved into a dynamic of fear and oppression for sure. But I think initially Hitler – what’s important to remember is that initially Hitler was elected. He was appointed as Chancellor and he was elected by his party. He – with the exception of the initial Beer Hall Pusch, from which he tried to seize power, after that he learned his lesson and realized that the only way to actually take power was to do it through democratic means, and he did. And obviously, the only way to do that, through democratic means, is to have the power that people are on your side. So initially he was an extremely popular figure.

Micah: Right. As opposed to Voldemort, who was not.

[Elysa and Micah laugh]

Andrew: Yeah.

Elysa: Right. Yeah, certainly not among the entire magical world as Hitler was with the German people, no.

Micah: Now what about this point about Voldemort sort of mobilizing into somewhat underground manner…

[Laura sneezes]

Elysa: Bless you.

Micah: God bless you.

Laura: [laughs] Thank you.

Micah: [laughs] That’s what she thinks about that.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: But…

Laura: Sorry.

Micah: [laughs] Him mobilizing into somewhat underground manner, similar to Hitler. I mean, you mentioned very early on he had this Beer Hall approach. I mean… [laughs] …Voldemort wasn’t going around to all the local taverns and pitching his ideas. But…

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: But he kind of went about it in a comparative way. He was – I always have this idea of Voldemort sort of just going from place to place to place in a kind of a very concealed manner and recruiting people that way. You know what I mean?

Andrew: It’s like – and I mean this isn’t really a joke – but it’s sort of like Osama Bin Laden style, how he’s just always hiding in the caves and we can never find him. Similar to how Voldemort can never really be found unless he wanted to be found.

Micah: Right, and – yeah, I mean that’s not a bad comparison, because he didn’t – same with Bin Laden, he didn’t fully show his true power until he was confident that his plans would work. You know?

Andrew: Right.

Micah: You think about 9/11. He didn’t come to the surface fully until he knew that that act was going to be carried out with success.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: It’s always interesting, too, like when you don’t see Bin Laden around for a while, or now a lot of people are concerned about the Korean leader, what’s his name?

Elysa: Kim Jong-Il?

Andrew: Kim Jong…

Elysa: Kim Jong-Il.

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, the government there, I read on CNN, released a picture of him smiling the other day to assure people he’s in good health. I kind of always wished that in Harry Potter it would’ve been cool to see some of that like, “Is Voldemort even still alive? Do we even know?” I mean, there’s not that much time in the books to do that because this is only over seven years.

Micah: So moving on to the Death Eaters. We just mentioned briefly before, very similar to the Nazi’s catching on and following Hitler. And what I really want to talk about here was that you had these Death Eaters after the initial fall of Voldemort that went before the Wizengamot, and they eventually were sent off to Azkaban, some of them hoping one day that Voldemort would return to power. And I thought this was a little bit similar to the Nuremberg trials after the war was over. The Nazis were put on trial, some of the higher officials, and eventually once convicted, these soldiers were executed. I wonder why none of the Death Eaters were ever thought to be executed?

Elysa: I don’t know, but I can say that a parallel that I would draw with this is that the Nuremberg trials, as well as what we see with the Death Eaters, is they both – they both take the guilt off of themselves and try and deflect it to their leader. You know, you see a lot of Death Eaters saying, “I was bewitched. I was put under the Imperius Curse,” and everything else like that. And same case at the Nuremberg trials, a lot of the SS and the Nazis, they were all saying, “I was afraid for my life.” Sort of a Peter Pettigrew defense. Like, “What was I supposed to do?” And so I don’t know. I’m not sure if that actually worked. I know that at the Nuremberg trials there were a couple, not all, but there were a couple of people who got off on that defense. So maybe it was the same thing with the Death Eaters, I don’t know.


Muggle-born Registration Commission and “Magic is Might” Statue


Micah: Okay, well, moving on: the last point we have here in this sort of racism/prejudice category was the Muggle-born Registration Commission and the “Magic is Might” statue that showed up in Deathly Hallows, and I think, Laura, you actually put this in here, talking about that the Commission was not just a tie to the way the Nazis rounded up the Jews and other people in World War II…

Laura: Yeah…

Micah: …but there were other examples in history as well.

Laura: Yes. The one that I was primarily thinking of was – again, it actually took place here, and what’s really disturbing is a lot of people don’t know about it, because it’s pretty well covered up. But after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, the United States rounded up Japanese-Americans and put them in internment camps in the U.S., because they thought that anybody who was of Japanese heritage would be a threat to our society after this attack. So…

Micah: Right.

Laura: …it’s sort of like the same idea, the…

Micah: Right.

Andrew: Definitely.

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: And in particular, the statue, also, that we see in the hall at the Ministry of Magic, it was really disturbing to me because when I read that description, I immediately thought of the concentration camps. You know, you have these people just really twisted and contorted, all on top of each other, and it was just disgusting, if you think about it. You have these wizards sitting on top of this body of bodies, literally. It’s kind of a disturbing picture to put in your head. I see, Laura, here, that you also mentioned that being anti-Semitic and anti-Muggle-born was already somewhat acceptable in the Harry Potter series up until this point, where we see this Commission. Do you mean just from what we’ve heard from people like the Malfoys and other families, or you could even relate that to Dumbledore, I think, because you look at when you hear from him in King’s Cross, he’s talking about the idea of wizards being triumphant and Muggles being subservient.

Laura: I didn’t actually put the point in there, but I can tell you what I think. I think it’s just another parallel to show. I mean, it is completely inaccurate to say that we live in a society without racism and prejudice. It is very much present in our society, and in many areas, it’s acceptable, which is disgusting. But it’s true. So I think it’s just another tie to our more contemporary society, to make it more prevalent, so…

Micah: Yeah. I think in particular here, you just see it manifesting itself, whereas – and I’ll even bring it up, because I know it’s something that took place recently, but you look at what has gone on at some of the campaign rallies holded – held, excuse me – by Senator McCain and Governor Palin, in terms of the crowd’s response to certain things that were said and what they’ve said about Senator Obama. And the idea that racism, as you’ve just said, it does not exist in today’s society, all you have to do is go and look at something like that, in 2008, this kind of stuff is still going on.

Andrew: Yeah. It was about Obama specifically when they were talking about some of his stances, and I remember hearing that that did end up getting a lot of press a couple of weeks ago, and I remember hearing that once they saw what was going on, or once it started gaining press they, McCain and Palin, adjusted their speeches a bit, I guess to, I don’t know, calm the crowds down or something, but it’s amazing that that really still happens, and even over our presidential candidates.

Laura: And what’s very disturbing is we see the kind sort of scapegoating going on right now that you can also draw a parallel to the Holocaust. There’s been that big flap the past few months about people thinking that Barack Obama is a Muslim. First of all, he’s not. Second of all, who cares?

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Why would it matter if he was? Because currently in our society, people of Arabic descent and people who practice Islam are considered scapegoats. And any time these people want to blame something terrible on someone else, they blame it on someone who is either Arabic or fits a very generic Middle-Eastern stereotype in terms of how they look. And I remember a few weeks ago there was footage of John McCain speaking with a woman who said she couldn’t trust Barack Obama because he was an Arab. And what bothered me more than anything, more than her saying that, was that John McCain responded to her and said, “No ma’am, he is not. He is a good citizen with whom I have disagreements.” So he made a distinction between being an Arab and being a good citizen. And that really, really bothered me. And I’m going to shut up now.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Well, yeah, I mean, this is the point, you know, that I think Micah’s – we’re all – we’ve all been trying to make, is that it was very real in the Harry Potter fandom too. And it was almost coincidental that Jo brought this up because, really, I mean, there hasn’t been many blatant – unless I’m missing something, or maybe I’m completely off – but there hasn’t been many blatant attempts at racism lately other than – but – well, there hasn’t been any attempts before this presidential election. I mean, am I right or…

Elysa: There was actually – I don’t know, no one’s really sure…

Andrew: Well, there’s the occasional story, like Don Imus having a remark about a woman’s basketball team.

Laura: Well, did you hear about the – the two men who were just arrested because they had an assassination plot? And they were – they were planning to kill…

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: …something like twenty other African-American citizens before they – yeah. It happens.

Micah: Yeah. I think…

Andrew: But you – I mean…

Micah: …Andrew’s referring to other incidents…

Laura: Like…

Micah: …before the election.

Laura: Oh, before the election. Like…

Andrew: Right. Yeah, yeah.

Micah: Yeah, I think…

Andrew: I think it’s coincidental that Jo brought this up a year ago in Deathly Hallows, but now it’s happening again. It seems to be picking up more
than it was actually at about a year ago.

Matt: Mhm.

Micah: Yeah, but I think there are always isolated incidents that are going to make the national media, but you have to remember there are also incidents that take place at the local level, in your local newspaper, that you never hear about – or sorry – that the national audience never hears about. So it still does exist; there’s no question about it. I mean, there are incidents – there was one that just took place on Long Island about a Swastika being spray-painted on a temple or a Menorah being overturned and vandalized. I mean, it does take place; it may not be at the level of – to receive national attention, but it still does happen.

Elysa: Right.

Laura: Mhm. I agree.

Micah: And you know that kind of – those were the final points about the Muggle-borns, saying that they were really responsible, according to Voldemort, for the falling standards of the Wizarding World, and I know Laura alluded to before about how that was similar – or, Elysa did – about, you know, Germany’s failing economy, and the Jews were blamed for that, so there’s another comparison there. And it also says here that in the years prior to the Holocaust, Jews would often be terrorized and have their residences and businesses vandalized, the biggest night of course being
Kristallnacht, which was the Night of Broken Glass, where literally hundreds, if not thousands, of stores and homes were just completely destroyed. And I think Laura here pointed out – there’s a similar incidence with a Muggle family in Goblet of Fire, where they’re tortured at the Quidditch World Cup, and nobody really thinks of it as being against the law. They just see it as happening. And they kind of turn a blind eye because they’re all running for their lives themselves.

Andrew: The final quote we wanted to make here on this topic was that even Ron said that he would tell everyone Hermione was his cousin so Hermione wasn’t known as a Mudblood. And oftentimes, friends of Jewish families would attempt to do this too, so another good parallel and a very interesting and a slightly more hidden one, I think.

Micah: Well, yeah, you brought up Anne Frank before. That’s a…

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: …perfect example of that.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. It’s an amazing story.

Micah: All right.

Andrew: And movie.

Micah: So we’ve finally moved off our first point there of racism and ethnic cleansing and Nazism.

Andrew: Whoo! Happy Election Day!

[Matt and Micah laugh]


The Evils of War: Innocents Killed


Micah: Yeah, exactly. The remainder of the points, I guess, are a little bit shorter, but one of the things I just want to touch on real fast was the evils of war and,
obviously, with a lot going on with our country, here in the U.S., and others around the world who are helping out, but J.K. Rowling said, “I very consciously
wanted to show what is one of the great evils of war, which is that totally innocent people are slaughtered.” Another great evil of war is that children lose their
families. So…

Andrew: And I mean, this is her talking about the deaths in Book 7, I guess, or just as a whole. Yeah. I mean, yeah, that was – that was one of the – I remember
the first quote when Jo said like oh, it’s going to be a bloodbath, and the press picked that up. And everyone said, well, you know, of course, the press eats that kind of stuff up, but, really, it’s not a surprise because they are going into a war, and innocent people would die, so…

Micah: Yeah. I actually think this was in response to a question about why Remus and Tonks had to die.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Matt: Mhm.

Micah: And it makes sense, if you think about it.

Matt: They were just boring characters.

Andrew: It does make sense, although people…

[Everyone laughs]

Elysa: Matt! Oh, my God! Blasphemy! Kick him off the show now.

Andrew: Banned from the show.

Matt: No!

Andrew: Mic off. No more mic.

Micah: No, we needed a good laugh. This was too serious of a show so far. [laughs]

Andrew: Hey, his mic’s off for ten minutes.

Elysa: I do not find insulting Remus Lupin funny.

Matt: Hook my mic up! Thank you.

Micah: Matt.

Andrew: Okay.

[Elysa and Micah laugh]

Matt: What?

Andrew: Do you have any apologies or anything to say?

Matt: Yeah, I’m sorry…

Andrew: Sorry, your mic’s off. Sorry, can’t hear you.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Joke’s over.

MuggleCast 162 Transcript (continued)


Ministry Corruption: Cornelius Fudge


Micah: All right, so moving away from war – obviously played a big role in the series, but now Ministry corruption, educational reforms, and biased media – huge topics in and of themselves. But this is something I think Laura and Elysa are going to have a lot of fun with, particularly the ignorance of Cornelius Fudge throughout the course of the Harry Potter series. And one interesting thing that J.K. Rowling said was that you should question authority and you should not assume that the establishment or the press tells you all the
truth. And an interesting quote by Dumbledore from Goblet of Fire. He says, “You’re blinded by the love of the office you hold, Cornelius. You place too much importance, and you always have done, on the so-called purity of blood. You fail to recognize that it matters not what someone is born, but what they grow up to be.” So, Laura, I’ll let you go off. Obviously, Cornelius – I hate him just as much as Umbridge, to be honest with you, in the series, and he’s just…

Andrew: Of course.

Micah: …a piece of work.

Laura: Yeah, I mean, I don’t know that there’s tons that we can say about him, and I kind of have a very biased… [laughs] …opinion that I put in writing that I won’t share.

Andrew: Yeah, you know…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: …before I even read that, I realized, is Jo trying to pull any parallels here? I mean, in all seriousness, do you think she is? Like, because everything else in the Ministry seems to be some sort of parallel, so does Fudge have any?

Micah and Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Actually…

Andrew: I mean, we can point the finger…

Micah: Well…

Andrew: …on Jo.

Micah: …the…

Andrew: …instead of us being political, it’s Jo. Go ahead, Micah.

Micah: The bullet point actually got moved down to the Prophet and The Quibbler, but she said in an interview that he was based on the character of Neville Chamberlain, who was a British Prime Minister…

Andrew: Ah, there you go.

Micah: …in the late 1930s, and Chamberlain so hoped to avert another war in Europe that he looked the other way when it came to the Nazi Regime’s atrocities, and allowed Germany to annex parts of Czechoslovakia, calling it peace for our time. He eventually declared war on Germany when Hitler invaded Poland. Chamberlain was succeeded as Prime Minister by Winston Churchill. So, again, more World War II referencing, and you can clearly see the similarities between Chamberlain and Fudge. Just sort of really turning a blind eye to everything that’s going on and acting in complete and utter ignorance.

Elysa: Well, it seems to me, then, if she’s making this parallel between Chamberlain and Cornelius Fudge, Chamberlain’s known for – what she’s talking about here, this turning a blind eye. The technical term for that is appeasement. So it seems to me that if she’s drawing this parallel between the two, that the character Cornelius
Fudge is a rather strong – rather strong speaking out of against appeasement and the whole concept of appeasing one’s enemies to get peace for oneself.

Laura: Mhm. Yeah, I was just going to kind of throw this little point in here really quickly. I don’t know if any of you remember, but there are a lot of people who try
to draw comparisons between Voldemort and George Bush, and other characters in the series. A lot of – there are a lot of characters people try to compare to George
Bush. But actually, in chapter one of Half-Blood Prince – and this is just my opinion – it’s chapter one, “The Other Minister,” it’s talking about the Prime
Minister of England, and it said:

“He was waiting for a call from the president of a far, distant country, and between wondering when the wretched man would telephone
and trying to suppress unpleasant memories of what had been a very long, tiring, and difficult week…”

Blah, blah, blah, it goes on from there. I think that was her little nod towards our Commander-in-Chief, but that’s just me.

Andrew: I think you have a point there.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: But, I mean, there’s very little…

Laura: It’s very – it’s very subtle, though, that’s what’s great about it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Like, it could be anyone you want it to be, which is probably what’s best about it, but considering the political climate… [laughs]

Andrew: I mean, maybe it’s just a coincidence. I mean…

Laura: [laughs] Elysa…

Andrew: …at least this one could be a coincidence. Or at least, you know, the parallel you’re trying to draw, because there haven’t been any United States-related parallels, I don’t think, in – United States, specifically, parallels in the Harry Potter books. So I don’t know if that would make any difference, but…

Laura: No.

Micah: Right.

Laura: But considering the – considering the relationship that the United States and Britain have…

Andrew: Mhm.

Matt: Mhm.

Laura: I’ll just leave it at that. And Elysa’s informing me…

Micah: If I was a betting man…

Laura: …that I’m going to get death threats, so…

Micah: If I was a betting man, I would say that J.K. Rowling is not too fond of George W. Bush. We should leave it at that.

Andrew: Well, and…

Laura: Yeah. I mean, considering she gave how much money she gave to, what, the Labor Party?

Andrew: Yeah, the Labor Party.

Micah: Right.

Laura: Yeah.


How the Press Manipulates


Micah: Yup. The next part has to do with the press, and I know that, Laura, you put most of the press-related stuff in here. And you were actually – we were talking a
little bit about it before the show, how you feel that the press can often manipulate…

Laura: Mhm.

Micah: …people who read their news.

Laura: Right, of course. What’s really disturbing about the press in general – and it’s really a parallel that we see in Harry Potter – is that all of our media outlets are owned by the same four or five people, who have very vested interests in what those outlets are reporting to us. For instance, one of – one of the most well-known ones is that General Electric owns NBC. So if there’s ever an energy scandal that has anything to do with General Electric you will never hear about it on NBC. Furthermore, I think I was reading that NBC, out of all of the news networks, they cover energy the least.

Micah: Wow.

Laura: So, yeah.

Andrew: Well, NBC’s had those – I remember last year they had the whole Green Week, and I remember some shows actually had the lights off. They had like most of their
studio lights off. And they were trying to send a message about how to conserve energy.

Laura: Right. I mean, I’m not saying that they don’t cover any sort of energy stories, but…

Micah: Well, that’s positive press though.

Laura: Right, yeah, it’s positive press for them. That’s essentially what it boils down to. And a lot of those same tactics are used by the Public Relations Committee. I mean there’s so many instances in which I can think of, that the United States has been at war, and at large the public opinion of it was not good. There was a lot of political dissent. Particularly I’m thinking of when Saddam Hussein attacked Kuwait.

Matt: Mhm.

Laura: Am I right on that, Elysa? Yeah? Gulf War?

Elysa: Indeed, indeed.

Laura: And there was a huge, huge public uprising against this; people did not want this to happen. Well, the Public Relations Committee created a quote unquote citizen group called Citizens for a Free Kuwait…

Elysa: Yeah.

Laura: …in order to convince citizens that at the most part, U.S. citizens wanted to free Kuwait, which was a complete success in terms of propaganda at the very least, and I think we see the same kind of tactics used by The Daily Prophet.

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Laura: Particularly, in the last two Potter books, where the government completely took over the papers, and it’s very prevalent because now, anytime the government
wants to do something or release something, they don’t do it without consulting someone from PR.

Micah: Right.

Laura: So there’s definitely a huge tie there.

Micah: Yeah, it’s all selective information. I mean – and one of the things that I can think about today is that if you think about it, whenever we hear about events in Iraq or Afghanistan, it will always be about – on, I guess, the more depressing side of things, when there are incidents where soldiers are killed. It’s usually all you hear about is if they’re American, if they’re British,
Australian, so on and so forth, and when you get these counts of people who have been killed, you never hear anything about the number of Iraqis that have been killed
over in Iraq or the number of citizens of Afghanistan that have been killed, and these are regular everyday people. I’m not talking about soldiers. So it’s very selective in terms of the amount of information that you hear.

Laura: Yeah. And actually, isn’t it true that we don’t keep a count at all? It’s like we don’t actually keep a count of how many Iraqi civilians are dying in the war?

Andrew: Yeah, I thought I heard that too.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: It’s got to be hundreds of thousands now.

Laura: Yeah, it has to be.

Elysa: Well, I know that – I know that the reason that it’s not being counted as closely as it would be otherwise is because they’re arguing that of course it’s difficult to count when you’re talking about civilian casualties who are being bombed from the push of a button you know, so – and I don’t know. I can say a lot more on that, but I’ll…

Andrew: I did a whole paper on the ethics of journalism a while ago, and it was just really interesting and eye-opening to see how pick and choosy, so to speak, that the media is. And The Daily Prophet is definitely a beautiful representation of the real life media in today’s society. It’s terrible. It’s so bad and that’s why things like YouTube and podcasting – I just sounded like Sarah Palin when I said [with Sarah Palin accent] YouTube.

Elysa: [Sarah Palin accent] YouTube.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Matt: [as Sarah Palin] Well, I can see YouTube from my chair.

[Laura laughs]

Elysa: [as Sarah Palin] Maverick.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: It’s – they’re growing so quickly and people love them so much because it’s true free speech and – whereas with, like Laura said, with NBC not reporting on energy
as much, with just average people reporting on whatever they want because they’re not limited by a boss overhead. That’s the beauty of podcasting specifically.

Micah: Yeah. Even today we can rattle off a number of different news outlets and newspapers that tend to lean one way or the other, and it’s kind of scary though because it’s all crafted to that particular audience, and say you don’t know any better, what are you really learning? You’re not learning the truth at all. You’re learning a skewed version of the truth.

Laura: And one thing that I noticed, and it wasn’t just something that The Daily Prophet did, it was something that was performed by the Ministry, calling what they were doing to Muggle-borns the Muggle-born Registration Commission. It’s giving a very terrible act a much nicer name, in order to convince people, or at least to put their minds at ease, that maybe what’s going on isn’t so terrible. And it’s sort of like all the names that we see given to all of these terrible things that are happening now. Like conservatives – instead of calling it “global warming,” they say “climate change” and it’s not the war in Iraq, it’s Project Iraqi Freedom. And it’s very disturbing how just giving something a positive connotation completely changes the way a lot of people think about it.

Micah: Yeah, no, you’re absolutely right.

Elysa: Well, that reminds me of George Orwell. I just had to throw that out there.

Laura: Oh, yes!

Elysa: 1984

Laura: Oh, the Ministry of Truth.

Elysa: The Ministry of Truth and NewSpeak and euphemisms and the whole – yeah, that’s very Orwellian. And I also just wanted to bring up really quick that I think the beauty of The Daily Prophet dynamic is that The Daily Prophet is supposed to represent, theoretically, just like all newspapers and press and media, at least in Western democracies, is supposed to represent a beacon of information and truth, and they’re supposed – the people behind it are supposed to have good intentions. So I think The Daily Prophet really exemplifies how evil isn’t – doesn’t just come from bad people, that evil isn’t necessarily a person or a tangible object; it’s also when someone with good intentions does something wrong. So, people who are trying to do something good, who are trying to put the truth out there, are not doing it because they think they’re doing something good when it’s really only hurting everyone else. So I think The Daily
Prophet
‘s lesson is that you can’t – even people that you think you can trust in war times, you can’t because the propaganda’s machine is always rolling.

Micah: Yeah. Well, wasn’t it Sirius who told Harry the world isn’t separated into good people and Death Eaters?

Laura: Yes.

Elysa: Right, exactly!

Micah: Or something along those lines.

Elysa: Exactly. I think that’s what The Daily Prophet‘s lesson is. I think that’s just another example of that in the story.


Corruption: Educational Decrees


Micah: All right, so, moving on to the last piece of corruption, I guess you could say, is Dolores Umbridge and her Educational Decrees.

Andrew: Ugh!

Micah: [laughs] Your favorite character, Andrew!

Andrew: Yes. Yeah, no, she really is.

Micah: So, apparently education is extremely corrupt, particularly here in the United States. Laura, would you care to enlighten me?

Laura: Oh. [laughs] Well, I was thinking specifically in terms of the area where I’m from. I know that as a homeschooler, during three years of high school, I really got to experience how corrupt, at least my local educational system, was. For starters, they really tried to discourage me from leaving the public school system. And I later found out that a lot of the reason they discouraged students from homeschooling and pursuing a GED is because they lose funding for those students. For every day that you’re in school, the school gets a certain amount of funding. Also, I think that a lot of educational boards gear what the local school systems are allowed to teach in terms of what the general consensus of the area is, which is really, I think, something that Umbridge did. She came at such a time of fear for people, because Voldemort was uprising, there was a lot of uncertainty, and when you take a large mass of uncertain people, it’s very, very easy to bend them to your will and say, “Look, I’m just doing this to protect you. I’m doing this to protect your children.” And that’s all you have to do in order to convince them that what you’re doing is right.

Micah: Laura, couldn’t you say, though, that that’s really similar to how certain people that are in power in politics in our country today have used certain events
that have taken place in the past to their own advantage?

Laura: Yep.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: Absolutely.

Andrew: Leave it at that.

Micah: Without getting too political!

Laura: Right, I don’t want to name any names or anything, but I feel like 70% of the country knows who you’re talking about.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Andrew: I think that Umbridge is a definition of a politician who really wouldn’t be able to get away in the real world with all the things that she does. Because I know the Ministry was corrupted so they were on her side, but the things that she was doing, namely, I mean, the Muggle-born Registration Committee – I mean, that was huge. I just think that she would never get away with the things she did in the real world.

Micah: Yeah. And she was…

Andrew: At school or in the Ministry.

Micah: And she was the perfect example of a “yes man.” You know. She just followed everything to the T. It’s like she was brought up to never question authority and anything that was laid out is exactly how it has to be done. So the government tells you this, or in this case the Minister is giving her ground rules, you have to follow everything exactly to the T. And I think that’s what annoyed so many people reading about her.

Laura: I don’t know what – I don’t know if you’ll agree with me on this, Andrew, but just like based off your point of wondering whether or not she would get away with
that type of thing, I think there is one place in current society where she would get away with that, and that place is called Guantanomo Bay.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Laura: I’m pretty sure…

Andrew: Yeah, we can agree on that.

Elysa: Where we are all going.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: But anywhere else…

Elysa: We’ll all be there together.

Laura: [laughs] I know!

Micah: Yeah, I think that wraps up our political discussion. At least for now. I know we have some more talking points that we could get to in another episode, but I feel like we’ve exhausted it.

Andrew: We’ve talked long enough today, yeah. Laura, Elysa and Micah, great job on coming up with this discussion, by the way.

Elysa: Thank you.

Laura: It was mostly Micah.

Andrew: It’s been in the works…

Micah: You could easily spend an entire episode on one of these things.

Andrew: Oh yeah, definitely.

Laura: Yeah.


Laura Leaves to do School Work


Andrew: There’s a lot to talk about and there’s a perfect time to discuss Potter politics. All right, so, Laura, we’ll let go of you for now. You’re busy with school; that’s understandable. But…

Laura: Yes.

Andrew: …we thank you for coming on…

Laura: Well, thank you for having me!

Andrew: …in this time of politics.

Matt: [imitating Laura] Oh, no problem!

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: And we’ll talk to you later.

Laura: All right, I’ll see you guys around.

Matt: All right. Bye, Laura!

Elysa: Bye, Thompson!


Make the Music Connection


Andrew: It’s time to do something fun now. We’re going to do Make the Music Connection.

Matt: Make the M-m-m-mu – oh, sorry.

Andrew: Make the M-m-m-music Connection!

Micah: I actually thought that was the sound bite, Matt.

Andrew: I’ve gotten feedback that people prefer I just do it live rather than playing the prerecorded sound effect, so…

Matt: That’s good.

Andrew: Make the M-m-m-music…

Matt: Connection!

Andrew: I forget how I used to do it anyway. Anyway, Matt’s got the songs this week.

Matt: This one is for Micah.

Andrew: You ready? Okay, here’s the first one.

[“It’s The End Of The World As We Know It” by R.E.M. plays]

Andrew: “It’s End Of The World As We Know It.”

Micah: I don’t know. I think that would be a really cool song to play after McGonagall casts that spell where all the statues and portraits and everything else in Hogwarts comes to life and they go running down…

Andrew: But that’s not the end of the world! That’s the beginning, the beginning of something new! That’s good, Micah.

Matt: That’s good.

Andrew: All right, how about, Elysa, you next.

Matt: Okay.

Elysa: Okay.

Matt: Elysa, this one’s for you.

[“Rock Your Body” by Justin Timberlake plays]

[Elysa laughs]

Andrew: “Rock Your Body” by Justin Timberlake.

Elysa: Yeah, you know, the first thing comes to mind…

Andrew: Make the connection.

Elysa: …is Neville. I see Neville after he slays Nagini, and he’s all feeling proud of himself and he’s like doing some Michael Jackson pop and lock moves to the song as he walks away.

Matt: He moonwalks across Voldemort. [laughs]

Elysa: Or even when he’s dancing by himself in Goblet of Fire. Awww.

[Andrew laughs]

Elysa: Awww, Neville.

Andrew: That’s good.

Matt: That just seems like a song that I can see Neville listening to in the bathroom while he’s getting his hair done or something, just looking at himself like, yeaaaah!

Elysa: [laughs] Exactly!

Andrew: All right, and how about me?

[“I Want It All” from High School Musical 3 plays]

Andrew: Oh geez. I love this song. This is “I Want It All” from the new hit movie High School Musical 3,
of course, as everyone knows. I saw Micah get excited as soon as the song started playing.

Micah: Oh yeah. I was actually dancing here. You couldn’t see it. And singing along, to be honest.

[Andrew laughs]

Elysa: You sound exhilarated.

Micah: Yeah, yeah.

Andrew: If I had to make a connection between this, it would be in Book 7 when Harry and Hermione – well, the trio is learning about the Horcruxes and they’re deciding to go out on a mission and actually go and get them all. To leave the Burrow and go get them all. So that’s how you play Make the M-m-m-music Connection.

[Matt makes strange sound effect]


This Week in MuggleCast History


Andrew: Okay, we’re going to now go to This Week In MuggleCast History. This is a fun one. Oh, I love this one. This goes back to Episode 62, November 5, 2006. And this was when Jo announced that she had a third title for Book 7. And this also led into some predictions about when the book would be released and the predictions were very off, and I don’t think I was on the show because you never hear me talking.

Ben: She said she has a third title for Book 7. We were all there at Radio City Music Hall the second night – well, some of us were. And she said how that morning, or that day during the – while she was in the shower, she thought of a second title for Book 7, and now she has a third one and she said that it is ahead by a short nose, or “perhaps that should be a vowel and two consonants.” So, what do you guys think about the whole title stuff?

Eric: I think she added three letters.

Kevin: I think she’s teasing us.

Micah: Yeah, I mean, now there’s not just two; now there’s three. She just likes messing around with us.

Jamie: Oh, I feel…

Ben: I know. Hopefully, hopefully we’ll get to know what the other two titles are.

Jamie: I know what it is. It’s…

Ben: What?

Jamie: She’s just added the word “the” to it. That’s two consonants and a vowel.

[Eric and Kevin laugh]

Jamie: I bet it’s something, something, and something, and then, oh, sorry, “Harry Potter” and something, and then she’s added “the” into it. I bet that’s it. In fact,
I will eat…

Eric: You know what that…

Jamie: Actually, no I won’t.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: You stop right there.

Ben: “I will eat.” [laughs] I love those bets.

Eric: Yeah.

Jamie: Although, I just think it means that she favors this title above the other two and that it’s just got a few more letters than the other two, as well.

Ben: Right, but if she didn’t release the title this – on Halloween, when do you think we can see it? I mean, when do you think we will see it?

Jamie: Christmas, maybe?

Eric: I don’t want to wait that long.

Ben: I don’t know.

Jamie: It’s like a month.

Eric: I think maybe something like this. Guy Fawkes Day.

Jamie: Huh?

Ben: Yeah, but what about…

Eric: It’s Guy Fawkes Day today.

Ben: Today?

Eric: Maybe by the end of the night she’ll release the title.

Ben: I doubt it.

Kevin: Maybe Christmas?

Ben: So, what do you think this means for the timing of Book 7? I still think it’s going to be 2008.

Jamie: Yeah, I agree.

Kevin: Yeah, I do, too.

Jamie: Of course, all the way, 2008.

Andrew: [imitating Jamie] 2008, for sure. For sure, 2008.

Matt: Oh right.

Elysa: Right.

Andrew: See, I thought was funny because kind of off there. But what was the other – there was – one of the titles was Harry Potter and the Elder Wand, of course Deathly Hallows. What was the third one? Did she ever say?

Micah: I feel like she did. I don’t know if I can…


Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul


Andrew: She must have. Because that’s kind of a big question. Okay, well, we’ll wrap up today with Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul. This comes from Jessica:

“Dear MuggleCast: Hi. My name is Jessica Hernandez and I’m 11 years old. This is my first Chicken Soup, so here goes. MuggleCast has helped cope through my summer.
I was visiting my grandma and auntie in Mexico, but my sisters couldn’t come so I felt lonely. Also I was in a car accident on September 19th, Hermione’s birthday. It
was pretty serious but nobody needed to be hospitalized. But ever since then I can’t be in a car without freaking out, so I bring my mp3 player in the car to calm my nerves down. Your podcast helped me through these things. Thanks. Love, Jessica, your number one fan.”

Thank you, Jessica.

Micah: Thank you.

Elysa: Awww.

Andrew: We’re glad you’re okay.

Micah: Yep. I actually found out that other title.

Andrew: What is it?

Micah: It was Harry Potter and the Peverell Quest.

Andrew: No.

Matt: No.

Andrew: No.

Matt: No.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Where you reading that?

Micah: From J.K. Rowling’s live chat.

Andrew: Wow.

Micah: She said the other two considered were, Harry Potter and the Elder Wand and
Harry Potter and the Peverell Quest. Referring, I guess, to the brothers.

Elysa: I definitely like – yeah.

Andrew: What were you saying?

Elysa: I definitely like Deathly Hallows more.

Matt: How can you be torn between those though? the Deathly Hallows sounds so much better.

Andrew: I was…

Elysa: Yeah, it really does.

Andrew: I was a real fan of The Elder Wand. I thought that was a really, just sort of like a badass title, I just thought.

Micah: Yeah. Well Deathly Hallows only sounds good because that’s actually the title that was chosen. If she chose any of the other two I would still think we
would say, “Oh Deathly Hallows, psh, why the hell would she use that?”

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] That’s true. I was never really a fan of this title.

Micah: Why?

Elysa: Really?

Matt: Really?

Andrew: I don’t know, Deathly Hallows. Eh, it’s cool, but I don’t know. I – when I first – when I heard she wanted it – after I read it when I heard she wanted to do Elder Wand I thought it was like – I don’t know.

[Show music begins]


Contact Information and Show Close


Andrew: But I liked it. But anyway, I think that wraps up this very long show for today. We had a great discussion on the election and this is our third show, as I said at the beginning, in eight days, so we’ll be back in a couple of weeks.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: At least with an announcement containing – related to Beedle the Bard. But let’s remind everyone…

Micah: Do…

Andrew: What?

Micah: I was just going to say we’ll do another live show when another trailer leaks out in the next couple of weeks.

Andrew: Oh yeah. [laughs] Whenever a trailer leaks we’re there for you.

Okay, well, if you would like to send something to the P.O. Box it’s MuggleCast, P.O. Box 3151, Cumming, GA 30028. If you want to leave a voicemail question, which we’ll get back to next week, if you’re in the United States you can dial, 1-218-20-MAGIC, if you’re in the United Kingdom you can dial 028114 – sorry – 81440677, and if you’re in Australia, you can dial 0280035668. You can also Skype the username MuggleCast, but just remember, no matter how you wish to call us, keep your message under 30 seconds and eliminate as much background noise as possible, please. You can also visit MuggleCast.com for a handy feedback form, although it’s now available at Mugglenet.com/Feedback. Or just use anyone of our first names at staff dot mugglenet dot com. And don’t forget to also visit the MuggleCast website for the community outlets,
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Okay, once again, I’m Andrew Sims.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Matt: I’m Matthew Britton.

Elysa: And I’m Elysa Montfort.

Andrew: We’ll see you next time for Episode 163. Buh-bye!

Micah: Bye.

Elysa: Bye.

Matt: Bye.


Blooper


Matt: Sorry, so back to your History class. I’ll go back to sleep.

Andrew: Ooh!

Elysa: Ooh – ouch!

Laura: You know you love it, Matt. You know you love it. You do.

Transcript #161

MuggleCast 161 Transcript


Show Intro


[Intro music begins]

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[Harry Potter theme plays]

Jim Dale: [as Professor McGonagall] This is Professor McGonagall welcoming you all to MuggleCast hoping you enjoyed – Dobby! Dobby, come here! Here! Dobby! [as Dobby] Yes, I’d just like to say how very pleased I am to introduce MuggleCast to all of you! Thank you! Thank you!

[Show music begins]

Andrew: Because how could we not have an episode on Halloween, this is MuggleCast Episode 161 for October 31st, 2008.

[Halloween music begins playing]

Andrew: All right. We’re here for MuggleCast Episode 160. Elysa’s here. Good morning, Elysa.

Elysa: Thanks. Good morning.

Andrew: Laura is here. Good afternoon, Laura.

Laura: Thank you.

Andrew: And Micah’s here. Hi, Micah.

Micah: What, I don’t get good evening?

Andrew: Good evening, Micah.

Laura: Wow, you sounded so unhappy about that.

Andrew: [imitating Micah] What, I don’t get good evening?

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: And also here, joining me in the MuggleCast studio, it’s been a while, Ben Schoen.

Ben: Hey, everybody. I’m back. I’m live here in southern California, and I’m out of school this week. Came out to see Andrew.

Andrew: What do you think of the MuggleCast studios?

Ben: It’s very impressive. He has a – he has a very nice setup here. I’ve got a real microphone. I feel like I’m doing a real radio show right now or something.

Andrew: Ben required that I deepen his voice prior to recording.

Ben: No. Whatever!

[Ben and Elysa laugh]

Ben: The thing is, he was trying to deepen his because got jealous of my voice.

Andrew: I felt there was too much of a contrast so we had to deepen voices. Anyway, so now we’re good. We got our EQ set. We got a lot to get to this week. This is our Halloween themed show. We’ve got some Halloween stuff going on for everyone this week and a lot more. So I’m Andrew Sims.

Ben: I’m Ben Schoen.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Elysa: And I’m Elysa Montfort.

[Show music plays]


News: Scholastic Employees Answer Questions


Andrew: All right, Micah, what is in the news this week?

Micah: There’s not a whole lot in the news this week, Andrew, and, in…

Andrew: It’s so dead.

Micah: …fact, it’s kind of disappointing.

Andrew: It really is.

Micah: But I guess one of the things that we can talk about was that Scholastic allowed their employees to do a little bit more of an in-depth interview and give away some of the secrets behind the Harry Potter series in terms of how everything gets put together. And…

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: …we have three questions here that some of the people over in Scholastic were willing to answer, and I guess we’ll go through all three of them. Do you want me to take the first one, or do you want to go ahead?

Andrew: Sure. Go ahead. Go ahead. These were interesting because it sort of came out of the blue. I don’t know if Scholastic was like, “Oh it’s a really slow time in news. I guess maybe we should do something.”

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: “We should contribute for once.”

Micah: Maybe they just wanted to one up Warner Bros. since Warner Bros. took the movie away. So they decided, “We’ll give people some inside information on the Harry Potter series.”

Ben: What a great replacement for the movie.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: Exactly. Well, they do what they can. I mean, they can only do so much.

Ben: Yeah.

Micah: You know what I mean?

Andrew: So I’ll read the first question. It was from Rachel Coone, Director of Marketing. She said, “In your opinion, what has been the best idea for marketing Harry Potter?” And she wrote, “The most brilliant idea came from Jo Rowling. For Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, Jo wanted to make sure that every fan had the opportunity to read the book at the same time. Strict on sale date was established. This date is what led to the midnight parties and the unified celebration worldwide.” And that was pretty interesting, because to think that it was actually Jo’s idea to put the books on sale at the same time so you could have that sort of big celebration, which has really defined the Harry Potter fandom.

Ben: Yeah, you know, the – everyone – when people think of Harry Potter they think of lining up outside your local bookstore at midnight and…

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: …kids dressed in robes and stuff.

Andrew: Yeah, and now all the books do it.

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: Twilight, Eragon. Those – all those big series.

Ben: Well, it’s just a great thing because those are the moments you remember.

Andrew: Mhm.

Ben: Next question comes from David Sailor, a Creative Publisher at Scholastic. “Each book has a different dominant color. How did you decide which color would be good for each book?”

Andrew: This is David answering.

Ben: David answering, my bad. “For most of the books I had a color scheme in mind, based on something that came through in the story. For example, on Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix and Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, there were specific scenes in the book that dictated the color palate that Mary and I wanted to use. Because J.K. Rowling’s descriptions are so clear and easily imagined, it wasn’t hard to come up with a color scheme. And from the beginning, the palate of the books was based on the jewel tones of Mary’s artwork. Ruby reds, deep amethyst purple, dark sapphires, and emeralds.”

Andrew: And I thought the cover stuff was some the most interesting because there’s a lot involved in deciding these covers. There’s nothing much to really say with these, is there? [laughs]

Ben: Well, the first one was worth talking about.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: How about this last one? Maybe we – I have no idea.

Andrew: All right, and the last one was also to David Sailor. It said, “The cover has changed a lot from Sorcerer’s Stone to Deathly Hallows. Was that a conscious decision? If so, why?” And this is something I’ve always wondered, because they went from the multi-colored covers to the one color, and then back to multiple colors.” And he said, “The biggest change in covers came from Order of the Phoenix where Mary and I though that a more monochromatic look was good for the book based on a particular scene in a revolving room that emphasized the blue candlelight glowing all around Harry. This was also the first book where it felt that Harry was truly growing into the man he would become. He was feeling angry for various good reasons, and the tone of the book became – began – to get more intense. It felt like a shift in the cover was the right thing to do – it felt like a shift in the cover was the right thing to do for Order of the Phoenix.”

Ben: Man, after that, I don’t even need to see the movie anymore.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: You think they – nobody ever complained or anything, but it was such a huge change, just how the series had the multiple colors and they went to that one.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: I would almost think that must’ve been a hard decision to make.

Elysa: Mhm.

Andrew: Because then the covers…

Micah: I think people ultimately care more about the content and what’s inside the book than…

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: …what’s on the cover.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: But that’s just my opinion.

Laura: There was a lot of discussion sparked when that cover came out.

Andrew: Really?

Laura: Yeah, I remember just like – I mean, this was before I worked on MuggleNet, but I remember reading the comments and people were going crazy. Like, wondering what this meant. So, it was definitely a pretty big thing for people.

Elysa: Yeah.

Micah: We don’t overanalyze.

Andrew: Is Scholastic cutting back? It’s probably cheaper for them to print in a same color palate.

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: Maybe that’s what they were doing.

Laura: God, these people. All they ever think about is money.

Andrew: Those cheapos.

Ben: Andrew’s onto it.

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: So that was really it. There’s a lot more. It was kind of funny in these interviews. The same questions were asked, pretty much, of each person, and they alway ask the question, “Did you get to read the book early?” And four out of six said, “Oh no. Nobody can read them early.” But there’s like two people who were like, “Yeah, I got to read it early.” [laughs]

Ben: Yeah, they probably now are going to be sued.

Andrew: It looks kind of weird. Kind of looks strange.

Ben: Kind of shady. I bet some of them were like, “Oh, we’re not supposed to say that, I don’t think.”

Andrew: Yeah.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Ben: And the other ones, “We broke the embargo.”

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: “Oh no!”

Andrew: So that was really it. There wasn’t much other news to discuss this week.

Micah: Yep.

Andrew: Sorry to say.

Micah: It’s been very, very slow, I would say, over the last couple of weeks. It’s just little things here and there, but nothing worth talking about, unfortunately.

Andrew: Doesn’t it seem unreal now that Half- Blood Prince would’ve been released just a month ago?

Micah: Yeah. Yep.

Elysa: Yeah, for sure.

Micah: Yeah, it would’ve been a lot busier.

Andrew: You know what I mean?

Micah: A lot busier.

Andrew: Like, we…

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: …would be getting ready for a premiere.

Ben: It’d be more than just the one, short trailer.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Laura laughs]

Ben: How many pictures would’ve been released?

Micah: Thousands at this point.

Andrew: Well, all these – too many.

Ben: Too many.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah. Well, because from all the sticker books and all that, you know.

Ben: Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I’ve seen a lot. I was just wondering if…

Andrew: I saw you had a folder. You’re collecting them all.

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: You just browse through them when you’re bored.

Laura: Yeah, I hear Micah’s actually papering his walls with all these Half-Blood Prince pictures. He loves them so much.

Andrew: Is that true, Micah?

Micah: No.

[Laura laughs]

Micah: Maybe a little bit.

Laura: God, you couldn’t even play along with me.

Ben: No, absolutely not.

[Andrew and Ben laugh]

Andrew: Well, thank you, Micah, for that news.

[Laura laughs]


Announcement: Micah is Now a Senior Staff Member


Andrew: Hey, speaking of Micah, Ben, would you like to do the honors with our first announcement?

Ben: This is such a wonderful announcement I am very happy to make. Micah Tannenbaum joined MuggleCast back in 2005, and initially you started off just
transcribing, right, Micah?

Micah: Yup.

Ben: And then you started doing the news, and then he moved over to helping on the main site, and he’s been around quite a while now, and he has now earned the status of senior staff member.

Laura: Aww.

Ben: So congratulations, Micah!

[Hosts clap]

Laura: Congratulations.

Elysa: Congratulations, Micah.

Ben: We’re all so proud of you.

Andrew: Senior staff member.

Ben: You’ve earned it.

Micah: Thank you. Ben, I heard you were really excited about this too. Andrew was telling me about your e-mail.

Andrew: I had to check with the senior staff to make sure this was a good decision. And what did you write?

Ben: I wrote that I strongly support this decision.

Andrew: I strongly support this decision.

[Laura laughs]

Ben: Because Micah’s the man.

Andrew: Then Jamie came to me and said, [with a bad British accent] “I can’t believe he
said it like that. He’s trying to be so business like.”

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Ben: I miss Jamie. I think we all do.

Andrew: [laughs] I’m looking at my first e-mail from Micah. It was the transcript – first transcript he sent to me dated August 14, 2005.

Micah: Wow.

Andrew: Congrats, Micah.

Ben: Too many typos.

Micah: Over three years ago.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: Just kidding, Micah.

Micah: What’d you say?

Ben: I said your first transcript had a lot of typos, but I was kidding.

[Micah laughs]

Ben: But, Micah, I have a question. When you first started transcribing, was it hard for you to, like – how long did it take you to differentiate between the voices? Were there any two that confused you or anything like that?

Micah: Well, I think the thing to keep in mind was back then it was only three people.

Ben: Oh, yeah. I forgot about that.

Micah: And maybe you and Kevin a little bit. Andrew definitely…

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: Well, I guess by saying Andrew was easy to differentiate…

Laura: That’s mean.

Micah: …he had a higher pitched voice than you or Kevin.

Andrew: [in a nasally tone] Well, thank you.

Ben: I miss Kevin. When’s the last time Kevin’s been on an episode?


Announcement: MuggleCast at Azkatraz


Andrew: A couple weeks ago. Maybe about a month or two. All right, well, moving along, we have another exciting announcement and that’s that MuggleCast will be at Azkatraz 2009. We are going to be doing a special podcast event. So here’s what’s happening: the movie comes out the seventeenth. Azkatraz starts on the eighteenth. So, this worked out beautifully for Azkatraz. So what they’re going to be doing is
having a midnight viewing of Half-Blood Prince on July 17th – the night of the sixteenth, but the seventeenth. And then following – immediately following the podcast – the movie – the first time all these Harry Potter fans have seen the movie, so it’s going to be really exciting – we are going to be
doing a post-Half-Blood Prince live podcast where we discuss the film.

Ben: Yeah!

Andrew: Yeah. So, it’s going to be cool.

Laura: That’s going to be so fun.

Ben: That sounds, actually, quite exciting.

Andrew: Because this midnight viewing is going to be with diehard – like when you go to the midnight viewings, they’re pretty diehard fans. But midnight viewing at a Harry Potter convention?

Ben: Oh, man.

Andrew: That’s a whole new level.

Ben: That’s just pure madness.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, and magic. So, more details will be announced about that soon, but for now we do recommend you sign up – you register – fast, because it’s going to be a great event. It’s in San Francisco. Ben and I were talking about it yesterday. Ben will be there,
everyone will be there.

Ben: When is it?

Andrew: [laughs] July 18th.

[Laura laughs]

Ben: Oh, July 18th, okay. That’s when the movie comes out.

Andrew: Yeah, the seventeenth.

Ben: They pushed it back.

Andrew: Right. Right. [laughs]

Ben: Do you want to talk about that? Isn’t that new?

Andrew: It’s a little old, yeah.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Ben: Oh darn.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Ben: I’m kidding.

Andrew: But, yeah. So sign up for Azkatraz. HPEF2009.org, I believe is the URL.

Ben: So, can we tell them where the podcast is happening?

Andrew: We don’t know yet.

Ben: Oh, we’re not doing it on Alcatraz?

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: Why not? Let’s make a petition for it.

Andrew: They may be doing something on Alcatraz.

Ben: I heard there might be a Wizard Wrock around.

Andrew: Yeah, exactly. But, I don’t…

Ben: Is that inside information?

Andrew: That is.

[Andrew and Ben laugh]

Andrew: So, to register, you go to HP2009.org. Then they have links there to register. In the referral area, where it says, you know, “How did you hear about us?” put “MuggleNet” or “MuggleCast.” That’s really important so they know where you came from. So, thank you for that.


Announcement: Ministry of Magic Election Coverage


Micah: The Ministry of Magic elections are still rolling along. I think we completed our first primary this past week, and Hermione absolutely destroyed the competition. In all the races…

Ben: But, it brings up the question: do you really think she’s old enough? Do you think she has the experience?

Andrew: Well, because we’re – I think what we’re trying to tell people is that you’re voting for Hermione today. So how old would she be? Like, young twenties, right?

Laura: No, late twenties.

Andrew: Late twenties. Okay. So yeah.

Ben: All right, but does she have the experience?

Andrew: Oh. She may.

Ben: She may.

Andrew: I think she does.

Ben: Is – who – else is running against her?

Andrew: It was Hermione versus Lucius, and Hermione won by, what was it, 91%?

Micah: Yeah. [laughs]

Ben: That’s like…

Andrew: Which is weird, because Lucius had won the round before, so…

Ben: Who did he beat?

Andrew: Who did he beat, Micah?

Micah: He beat Dolores Umbridge, which wasn’t much competition, obviously.

Andrew: Yeah, guess not.

Ben: Yeah, wow.

Micah: But Hermione took out Harry in her first round with a pretty high percentage of the vote.

Elysa: Yeah, I was surprised about that.

Ben: Oh really? That’s interesting. I think – I thought people would’ve been all, “Harry’s the man!”

Andrew: The closest tie so far has been between Kingsley and Minerva. Kingsley won with 55%.

Ben: Ooh.

Andrew: So that was a tight race.

Ben: Not really. A 10% margin is pretty good.

Andrew: Yeah, I guess, I guess. But compared to the other ones where it’s 80%, 75, 91. [laughs]

Micah: So who is it then this week? It’s going to be Kingsley against…

Andrew: Versus Molly.

Ben: So are we having a real election November 4th?

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Oh man. The general election?

Andrew: Yep.


Announcement: Teddy Bears for Hope Update


Micah: Also, just want to do a quick update on Teddy Bears for Hope. We – I think we raised around 15 or
1600 dollars for this, which translated into about – a little over 300 bears. And we started getting them
out to a number of different places. We’ve sent out, as of right now, about 110. So we still have plenty left, and we’re looking into places that they can go out to. The first batch of 30 went to the American Red Cross in
Syracuse, New York. And the next 30 went to – I had to look up, actually, what this stood for, which is the
International Medical Equipment Collaborative…

Andrew: Nice.

Micah: …Care of the International Relief and Development section of that organization. Basically, what that means is that it goes to overseas orphanages. Particularly this one, which is based out of North Andover, Massachusetts, is most likely going to go to Iraq, so…

Laura: Oh, wow.

Micah: …orphanages in Iraq. 30 will go out there. And then 50 went to the Hudson County Child Advocacy Center in Jersey City, New Jersey.

Laura: Wow, that’s fantastic.

Elysa: It really is.

Micah: We hope with some of these places we can get some pictures and things like that so we can post it on the site to show that the money actually went to a worthwhile cause. And we still have plenty more, probably around 200, that we need to find places for. But, it’s been a tremendous success up to this point.

Elysa: Yeah.

Andrew: Cool, awesome. Good work, Micah.

Micah: Thanks.


Muggle Mail: Snape’s Fate After Battle of Hogwarts


Andrew: Okay, well, let’s focus it back to Harry Potter talk. Let’s get into Muggle Mail now. First one comes from Faye, aged 17. She writes:

“Hi, I really enjoyed your discussion on the aftermath of the Battle of Hogwarts, but was
disappointed by the fact that Snape was hardly mentioned. Who went back for his body? Was a funeral held for him? If so, who would’ve attended? Where would he be buried? What sort of recognition would he receive in later years? Just wanted to know what you guys think.”

So yeah, Snape was a very important part of that whole area of the book. So…

Ben: He got recognition because…

Laura: That’s right.

Ben: Harry named one of his kids Albus Severus.

Andrew: That’s true. Yeah.

Ben: So there’s his recognition.

Andrew: But maybe some recognition in the school, or…

Ben: Like a special award?

Andrew: Like a special award or a nice portrait.

Ben: Or like – was Snape’s story still untold?

Laura: No, Harry cleared his name.

Andrew: Yeah. Snape’s story.

Micah: J.K. Rowling did say that he would’ve made sure that people knew Snape’s story and that he wasn’t as bad as everyone thought he was.

Andrew: Hmm. Oh, that’s right. Yeah.

Ben: Yeah. Well, I mean, the fact of the matter, Snape ultimately was heroic, but he still was kind of a – you know what I mean?

Andrew: Yeah, I know what you mean.

Ben: I mean, I hate to talk about the dead, but…

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Ben: It’s just Snape.

Andrew: Yeah. What about these questions that she put in here? Who went back for his body? Was a funeral held for him? I hope some – a very nice funeral was held for him. Although, you know, we were talking about all these different people who died. Did they do just one big funeral or what?

Laura: I’m sure there was some kind of great…

Ben: A mass funeral? [laughs]

Laura: Maybe not a funeral, but I’m sure there was a large memorial service. But I don’t know, I would think that people’s individual families would handle their funerals. And, I mean, obviously Snape has no family,
so I don’t know.

Andrew: You know how sometimes people get buried with some of their favorite things? What do you think Snape
would get buried with?

Laura: Hmm. Yeah.

Andrew: Not shampoo. [laughs sarcastically]

[Micah laughs]

Ben: He’d get buried with…

Andrew: SnapeCast on his iPod.

Laura: [laughs] There we go.


Muggle Mail: Remembering Voldemort


Ben: The next e-mail is from Andrew, 18, from Nashua [pronounces like “Na-Shwa”], New Hampshire.

[Laura laughs]

Ben: What’s so funny? Nashua. [pronounces like “Na-SHOO-a”]

[Laura laughs]

Ben:

“Hey MuggleCasters, I was wondering what you guys thinks about Fred’s funeral and where and when it would have taken place. And speaking of funerals, instead of including Dumbledore’s in the sixth film, could they not merely end the film with a shot of the tomb? I think it would be a simple, yet powerful, ending. In response to the debate in Episode 159, I would have to agree with a point that Eric brought up. Perhaps not a wizarding picture of Voldemort but something I feel should have been – should be done at Hogwarts to remember his example. There is so much to be learned from Voldemort’s example after all. As Dumbledore put it, ‘The next time you have to choose between what is right and what is easy, remember what happened to someone like Cedric Diggory.’ ‘Remember’ is the keyword. And yes, Voldemort did many terrible things. I don’t want to sound grim, but sometimes it takes some terrible things to really bring about change.”

Laura: Yeah, but, I mean, couldn’t just learning about him…

Ben: Well, I think – I think Cedric Diggory is an example – like, remembering Cedric Diggory is something that – that should be, always be like – they should always like – you know what I mean? They should have something at Hogwarts dedicated to Cedric Diggory.

Laura: Yeah, of course. Yeah.

Ben: And that’s going to remind people of the destruction that Voldemort did. Like, Cedric Diggory is a positive example because he was a kid who was taken away in his prime, whereas if you put up a statue of Voldemort it’s kind of like – you know what I mean? It’s like the diary of Anne Frank. That’s what Cedric is in this situation, and Hitler is Voldemort. And you’re not going to go to Germany, you’re not going to go erect a statue of Hitler, you know? That’s not going to happen. And you get Hogwarts, you can’t put up something of Voldemort.

Andrew: Yep.

Ben: You put up something that can represent that conflict that happened like Cedric though.

Laura: Yeah. I agree.

Elysa: Me too.

Micah: That’s what we said last week. I mean, in the debate, in particular, we referenced putting up a picture of Hitler in a synagogue or Osama Bin Laden in 9/11 memorials would kind of be the comparison of putting Voldemort up in some form of remembrance at Hogwarts. I just thought the really funny thing about this rebuttal was she mentioned that she had to agree with a point that Eric brought up, and Eric wasn’t even part of the debate.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: Oh yeah.

Micah: Just goes to show how much Eric likes to talk.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Do you think that people still have a problem saying Voldemort’s name?

Elysa: Mmm, nah.

Andrew: Mmm…

Ben: Do you still think he’s referenced as He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named, or since he’s gone now and they no longer fear him?

Micah: We’ve never had a problem saying his name.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Ben: No, I mean – yeah, of course.

Andrew: People in the Wizarding World. I think people wouldn’t be afraid to. They’d be – they’re extremely excited that he’s dead, so – and because I think when they said the name they feared that he would appear or…

Laura: Yeah. It could also be generational, too. Like, perhaps some people who grew up during Voldemort’s reign wouldn’t want to say it, but then maybe more progressive people would and younger people would as well, so…

Andrew: Yeah. It’s sort of like when a really bad thing happens in the world. Like, you don’t – like in our world, you don’t joke about it. Like 9/11, when that happened.

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: You don’t joke about it. But ten years later…

Laura: Oh, yeah.

Andrew: …you don’t joke about it but you sort of start talking about it.

Ben: Like, yeah, because time heals all wounds.

Andrew: Right. Right. So true, Ben.

Ben: So true.

MuggleCast 161 Transcript (continued)


Muggle Mail: Top 10 Things That Happened to Voldemort’s Body


Andrew: [laughs] Okay, next e-mail:

“Andrew, I know you said you were joking, but I couldn’t resist. It’s a bit morbid but, come on, at least I didn’t suggest sushi. Bad Micah! So, Top 10 Things That Happened to Voldemort’s Body. Number 10: He was sent to the Love Room in the Department of Mysteries. We are told he combusted as soon as it was brought in – as he was brought in.”

Ben: Why isn’t this Ben Schoen’s Top 10 List?

Andrew: Go ahead, you do it.

Ben: [laughs] I’m just kidding.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: No, I’ll do it.

“Number 9: It was sent to Borgin and Burkes and sold as human snake.” Oh…

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: “Number 8: He was stuffed and used as a target for Auror training.” [laughs]

Andrew: Nice. I like that.

Ben: “Number 7: He was buried beside his father with a gravestone that simply said ‘Tom.'”

Laura: Wow, that’s kind of sad.

Elysa: Ouch.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Ben: Ouch is right.

“Number 6: He was handed over to centaurs. We’re really not sure what happened after that.”

Andrew: Hey now!

[Micah laughs]

Laura: Same thing that happened to Umbridge.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Ben: “Number 5: He was thrown to the Inferi in the cave.” Ew.

Andrew: Mmm.

[Laura laughs]

Ben: Inferi. Are you scared of Inferi, Andrew? Is it In-fairy? In-feary? In-fery? In-fiery?

Andrew: A little bit…In-feary? In-fiery? I don’t know. It depends on how you interpret it.

Laura: Inferi. [pronounces in-fear-y]

Ben: Okay.

“Number 4: He was reanimated to sing, ‘Weasley is our King’ while doing the Hippogriff.”

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: Well, I don’t want to see him doing the Hippogriff.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Micah: Well, he did, actually, down in Dallas, Texas at Portus 2008.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Laura: Oh, that’s right! Yeah.

Andrew: Oh God.

Ben: Who – did you guys see a guy who looked like Voldemort?

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah. He…

Ben: The guy…

Andrew: He was at our house last night.

Ben: He was at our house last night!

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: Andrew, notice how I say “our house” like…

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: …we live together now.

Andrew: You’re my roommate.

Ben: I’m moving in. I’m moving in here.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: “Number 3: His reanimated corpse was placed in the Aurors’ office to the constant amusement of Ron. Hermione wouldn’t let him bring it home.”

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Ben: “Number 2: They forgot about his body in the broom closet and a blind Filch found it 25 years later.”

Andrew: Why is he blind?

Micah: [laughs] Yeah, I don’t know.

Ben: Because he got old, dude.

Andrew: Yeah, but he just goes blind? Okay.

Ben: And the number one thing that might have happened to Voldemort’s body is: “Filch mumbled about stupid students and hung Voldemort by his toes in the dungeons.”

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: Ew.

Micah: That was from Myra.

Laura: Hope he didn’t forget about him.

Micah: I don’t think you ever said her name.


Muggle Mail: Studying Harry Potter in School


Andrew: All right, and the last e-mail of the day is actually pretty interesting. And, Laura, I almost sent this rebuttal in to us, but luckily somebody else did. It says:

“Hi, everybody. I know that this is completely unoriginal, but I love your show. Listening to MuggleCast is one of the highlights of my week. This week as I was listening to your podcast, Micah mentioned that Scholastic was coming out with a school edition of “Harry Potter.” Somebody then proceeded to say that studying the books in school would make them get sick of them. Well, I’m here to tell you that studying HP in school does not make you get sick of the books. In fact, it makes you love them even more. The past spring, I was lucky enough to be a part of the senior elective class, AP Harry Potter. We read a book every week of the course and met for three hour time slots weekly to discuss the books. Every member of the class had to write a ten-page paper on the books and present to the class about their findings. My paper on the food in the series was the basis for a guest MuggleCast podcast this past spring when I recorded for you for your contest with my sister, Lindsay. After studying the books in depth for eight weeks, I can say I love them more than ever. There’s so much that my class was able to discuss, and there are many details that I never picked up on or never thought about in a certain way that I can now consider in a different light. Kids who get to study these books in school are so lucky. I envy them for getting to read all the books for the first time. Your show rocks, and so do all of you.”

So, Laura, you actually said this in the show, and I didn’t realize it when were recording, but you had said that people would get bored of the books if they’re read in school. Do you really think that, or were you joking, or…

Laura: I don’t remember saying that. I think I’m going to – yeah, I don’t recall.

Andrew: You did.

Laura: I’m going to pull a Ronald Reagan here. I don’t recall what you’re talking about.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Well, you did say that…

Laura: Oh, okay.

Andrew: …and I was like, “What?” I don’t know, maybe your were talking about something else.

Laura: Well, were we debating? Because like…

Andrew: No. No, we were talking about in the news…

Laura: You know…

Andrew: …the school edition of Harry Potter and you were like, “Oh, kids are going to get bored of them if they’re read in school anyway.”

Laura: I don’t know. I feel like you said it too, though.

Andrew: I said yeah, but I wasn’t listening, I was just like, “Yeah…”

[Elysa and Laura laugh]

Laura: Oh, okay.

Micah: Wow, so you don’t listen when Laura talks, is that what you’re saying?

Andrew: No, no, no, no. I don’t know what I’m trying to say.

Micah: I think what happened was, Laura was saying, wouldn’t it be really weird, because our kids are going to read the Harry Potter series years from now, and…

Andrew: Maybe.

Laura: Yeah, I remember saying that.

Micah: …it will almost be mandatory for them to do it in school. And I think that’s why it came up, and she mentioned that they may not like the series because it’s almost forced fed upon them as opposed to having the option to read it themselves.

Laura: Yeah, thank you, Micah. Thank you for remembering what I said, because I’m clearly clue-free.

Micah: But we’re going to talk about that a little bit more later in the show.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Yes, we have a debate prepared.

Laura: And I’m going to further incriminate myself.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Okay, well, as I said at the beginning of the show, this is our Halloween episode. Did I say that e-mail was from Renee? I don’t know if I did, but thank you for that.

Micah: You did not.


Main Discussion: Discussing Past Predictions


Andrew: Okay. So we’re going to do some Halloween talk for our main discussion this week. Set the mood here first.

[Halloween music begins]

Andrew: Okay, that’s better. So…

Laura: Oh my God.

Andrew: …every episode we discuss – every Halloween episode, we do some Halloween talk, and Micah thought it would be a good idea to take a look at the things we predicted in Episode 61, which was, I guess, our second Halloween episode. We were making predictions about Book 7. So I have these clips prepared now, and we’re going to listen to a few of them, and we also have a nice one from Laura at the end that we can dig into for a minute.


Why Ghosts Stay at Hogwarts


Andrew: Okay, so we’ll go back in time here; we’ll listen to this first clip. This was our prediction of why ghosts stay at Hogwarts:

Andrew: But even so, wanting to stay at Hogwarts, that has to be…

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: …a decision that’s up to the Headmaster. I mean, I would think you would really had to have been a great student…

Micah: Yeah.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: …at the school, in order, you know, for Dumbledore or whoever to say, “You can stay in my school.”

Laura: Is it up to Dumbledore, though? Do you really think he has that much control over…

Andrew: Well…

Laura: …the school?

Andrew: …the current – the current headmaster?

Laura: Peeves is in the school, and it doesn’t seem like it’s too easy to get rid of him.

Jamie: No, no.

Ben: Well, that’s because Dumbledore wants him around.

Jamie: Exactly. There’s a reason.

Laura: No, I think that…

Ben: No, no, no. Dumbledore won’t oust him. They’ve said that before.

Jamie: Of course, that’s true, yeah.

Laura: I know, but, I mean, I don’t think that Dumbledore can say – tell a ghost to get out of his school.

Jamie: Of course he can! He’s so powerful, it’s ridiculous.

Andrew: [imitating Jamie] “He’s so powerful, it’s ridiculous.”

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: But, okay.

Laura: God, way for everybody to rain all over my parade there. God.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Ben: Laura, you’ve come a long way since then. [laughs] I’m just kidding. I’m sorry, I’m sorry…

Laura: Thanks, I think.

Ben: …I’m sorry, I’m sorry, I’m sorry…

Andrew: So, I guess we didn’t really learn more about that in Book 7, right?

Laura: Not really.

Micah: No.

Ben: No.

Laura: That was a lie.

Ben: Then why was that a prediction?

Laura: Because…

Andrew: Well, it was just a discussion.

Ben: Oh.

Laura: Well, no, but Jo was saying we were going to learn more about ghosts, and we never really did.


The Bloody Baron and Grey Lady


Andrew: Okay, well, how about this next question we answered, which was, what happened to the Bloody Baron?

Micah: The Bloody Baron. How do you guys think the Bloody Baron died?

Jamie: [laughs] He got hacked to pieces, considering all the blood on him.

Laura: Yeah. [laughs] That’s what I was going to say.

Jamie: Or he slipped over a blood factory and banged his head on the ground and died, and then that’s why all the…

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: Well, whose or what’s blood do you guys think is on him? It’s described as being silvery. Do you think it belongs to unicorns?

Jamie: Yeah, but he…unicorns…

Laura: I think it’s silvery just because he’s a ghost.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: I mean, they’re white and transparent. I think the blood’s just silvery because of the composition of a ghost’s body.

Micah: All right, Laura.

Andrew: [imitating Micah] “All right, Laura.”

Laura: [laughs] Sorry!

Andrew: And the last one, should we do that? What – the impact of the Grey Lady?

Micah: Well, yeah, I mean, they kind of go in hand and hand together, so we can do that.

Andrew: Okay, so this is when we discuss the impact of the Grey Lady:

Micah: The final House ghost, the Grey Lady, from Ravenclaw. We really don’t know a whole lot about her. We don’t really see her that much in the books, but, Jamie, maybe you know something about this. There are various Grey Lady ghost stories that exist in London. Is that true?

Jamie: I have heard a few, yeah. Lady Jane Grey was the great-granddaughter of Henry VII and she reigned as Queen, but she was actually uncrowned and she only reigned for nine days, which is absolutely nothing. And then I think she was beheaded at the Tower of London. So yeah, that’s why her ghost is reported to haunt it. But she is supposed to haunt other castles as well in different places – haunted places. So, I mean, is there anything there? Like, maybe the Grey Lady was only at Hogwarts for nine days and then she got killed?

Andrew: Yeah, I was going to say, maybe – yeah. [laughs]

Jamie: A bit unlikely…

Andrew: Maybe Dumbledore felt bad for her, so he was like, “Come be a House ghost.”

Jamie: Yeah, yeah. “Well, don’t worry, you can become a House ghost.”

Ben: What about Professor Binns? How did he…

Andrew: Can we stay on top of Grey Lady for a second?

Jamie: Yeah, Ben. Yeah, Ben.

Andrew: Not literally. I mean…

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: We’d just fall through and hit the ground.

Micah: So it’s possible that Jo took the name from there?

Jamie: Oh, I’m sure she did. Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, there’s really no doubt behind that.

Andrew: That would probably the most reasonable explanation for…

Jamie: Yeah, but she’s a very mysterious ghost. We – I think we hear once that she was floating by or something like that, but we didn’t hear anything about her. Perhaps we’ll find something new in Book 7?

Micah: I think she’s in “Half-Blood Prince,” if I remember. They said some ghost went by as Harry was talking to Hagrid about overhearing the conversation between Snape and Dumbledore.

Andrew: Oh.

Micah: She seems to be around at kind of interesting times, because they said in the movie for “Chamber of Secrets” – and I don’t know if this was in the books too – it was a scene that was cut out where – it’s the first time that Harry goes to open Tom Riddle’s diary.

Andrew: Yeah?

Micah: And he tells the Grey Lady to get lost.

Jamie: No, he doesn’t, does he? Really?

Andrew: It’s a deleted scene.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: Oh, sorry. It’s a deleted scene, I see. Sorry.

Micah: [laughs] But I don’t know.

Andrew: Why would they cut that? I mean, what was…

Andrew: So that goes on and on.

Laura: Wow.

Micah: We were – we were pretty close there. I mean, Jamie in particular saying that we would learn something about her in Book 7.

Andrew: Yeah, exactly.

Micah: And we certainly did.


Place of the Final Battle


Andrew: Now there’s one more thing we discussed about on this episode, and – I’ll just play it – we’re talking about where the final battle would be.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: Oh God.

Elysa: Uh-oh.

Andrew: Here’s Laura’s thoughts.

Laura: Oh God.

Andrew: Where do you guys think the final battle will take place?

Ben: Hogwarts.

Laura: Not at Hogwarts.

[Laura laughs]

Ben: Hogwarts.

Laura: Not at Hogwarts! Not at Hogwarts. Oh my god.

Andrew: I think it should.

Laura: No!

Ben: Why not, Laura? Why not?

Laura: Every bad fan fiction I’ve ever read in my whole life, they have the final battle take place at Hogwarts, and then…

Micah: Oh, no no.

Laura: …first years are out fighting Death Eaters. It’s ridiculous. No.

Micah: I think it should be at Godric’s Hollow.

Andrew: Yeah. Oh, that would be good. Yeah. You guys want a cool…

Andrew: So, Laura, do you regret…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: …your statement now or do you still stand by that?

Laura: No, no, I don’t. I mean, she definitely made it fantastic. Like, I completely loved the way she did the final battle. I think the problem was…

Ben: Backtracking now.

[Andrew and Ben laugh]

Laura: Hey, hey, I admit, okay? I admit, I admit I was an ass, okay?

Elysa: No, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, it doesn’t mean you were wrong, though. Because, I mean, I love the way she did it too and I thought it turned out wonderfully, but it doesn’t mean you were wrong, because you were saying that every bad fan fiction is like that.

Laura: It was true.

Elysa: It’s true.

Ben: She’s not calling Book 7 a bad fan fiction. She’s not doing that.

[Elysa laughs]

Laura: No! Not at all. No, seriously, these things would literally – they had the students uniting in this battle front on the front lawns of Hogwarts. Like, it was just so cheesy. Every single one of them was the same.

Elysa: Yeah.

Laura: So when I thought of the final battle being at Hogwarts, I just imagined these fan fictions and I was like, “Oh God, please don’t do it.” [laughs] Because I thought it was going to be awful. But no.

Ben: Wouldn’t it be awesome if Jo wrote fan fiction?

Andrew: She may.

Elysa: Maybe she does.

Andrew: Maybe some rejected chapters from Harry Potter show up on MuggleNet Fan Fiction.

Laura: Wouldn’t that be bad if she submitted something and it got rejected from someone’s fan fiction site?

[Elysa and Laura laugh]

Elysa: Well, there was one story, actually, on MuggleNet Fan Fiction, and it pretty much got everything in Deathly Hallows down pat.

[Laura laughs]

Elysa: I mean, all the major plot points, and we rejected it! [laughs] Not because the plot was bad, obviously…

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Elysa: …but just because it was poorly written. But still, afterwards, you’re like, “Crap! I hope that wasn’t Jo!”

Andrew: It was like when she went into the MuggleNet chat room and was giving theories, but nobody liked them. [laughs]

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: That’s awesome.

Laura: [laughs] Everyone was like, “No!”

Elysa: Yeah.

Laura: “You don’t know what you’re talking about.”

[Elysa laughs]

Andrew: And everyone was like, “Give us the chat logs!”

Elysa: Fail.

Andrew: And we’re like, “We don’t have those.” [laughs]

Ben: I wish we did.

Andrew: Yeah. Okay, so that’s what happened with that. And, you know, in a way, it’s almost like – Laura, the directors of the films sort of had the same feelings you did because they’re not having a Battle of Hogwarts in Half-Blood Prince just because there’s one in DH. I mean, is that sort of what you’re saying, is that it would be repetitive, too? Is that one of your ideas?

Laura: Well, no, it wasn’t – well, yeah, I was kind of talking about how every show down was sort of taking place at Hogwarts up until that point, so I was, at that point, hoping that we were going to see something different. I mean, and also you have to remember, I was a huge proponent of something big happening in the Department of Mysteries. So I was really set on the idea of something major happening there.

Andrew: Okay.

Laura: And the thought that it was going to be Hogwarts instead really upset me. But I’m over it now because I enjoyed it.

Andrew: Micah, do you want to take the discussion from here?


Hosts Choose Houses Based on Ghosts


Micah: Sure. Well, I guess we want to stay with the Halloween theme, and it’s kind of different than we have in the past couple of years, because we don’t really have much of the stories to go on in terms of predicting things and basing it off of past books. But this is more of a general discussion, I guess, so let’s start with, if you had to decide which House you would be in based upon the House ghost, which House would you be in and why?

Laura: Hmm…

Andrew: I think I would be in Nearly-Headless Nick’s, and I’m kind of just going to base this sort of just on the movie, but it just seems like he’s the most – definitely one of the nicest ghosts to get along with, and he seems so helpful and pleasant.

Micah: Laura?

Ben: I’d have to agree.

Micah: Or Ben?

Ben: I’d have to agree. I think that – I don’t think you really get to see the other – you don’t really get to develop a relationship with the other ghosts like you do with Nick, you know.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: He’s your boy.

Ben: Through Harry’s interaction with him.

Laura: I mean, I guess also – I’m sure the other students developed relationships with their House ghosts. We just didn’t see it, obviously, because the books are written from Harry’s point of view.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: But I don’t know. It’s hard to choose based on a ghost.

Andrew: I wonder if the ghosts really care to develop relationships with the students, because…

Ben: They’re dead.

Andrew: Well, they’re dead, but they’re going to pass through the school and then they’ll never see them again once they graduate.

Laura: Yeah, that’s true. I don’t know. I don’t know, I’d be all about stalking the Bloody Baron because he’s cool, so…

Andrew: Mhm.

Laura: …Slytherin it is.

Andrew: [laughs] Elysa?

Elysa: I don’t know. I was going to go with Nearly-Headless Nick just because he’s the most lively of the bunch. I just think he’s the most fascinating, but now that feels like a really cliche answer. So I guess now I’ll go with the Fat Friar…

Andrew: And Micah?

Elysa: …because I think he’s one of the few that would go with trying to form a relationship with the students so…

Micah: Well, I maybe…

Elysa: …that’d be awesome.

Micah: …would have to choose the Bloody Baron, but, I mean, nobody’s gone for the Grey Lady at all. But I guess that’s just because she’s a little bit too far out there. But I’ll go with the Bloody Baron. I like that choice.


The Halloween-type Characters Significance in the Series


Andrew: So do you guys think that there were enough of the traditional Halloween characters in the series, such as the ghosts, the ghouls, the goblins, the werewolves, and the vampires? Because it seems like some played a significant role while Jo just managed to fit them in. I mean, they didn’t even really play that big of a role in the books. What do you guys think they added to the series?

Laura: I think they just sort of added – yeah.

Andrew: Right. Oh, I see what you’re saying…

Laura: I don’t know.

Andrew: Yeah, just add to it as a whole…

Laura: Well, Remus is a werewolf.

Andrew: …where they’re trying to sort of set a theme in the books?

Laura: I think they just set the atmosphere of the fantasy setting. Like, I don’t really see much purpose beyond that. I don’t – I mean, I don’t know if that’s what you’re asking, but…

Andrew: Yeah, basically. No, that was it. Micah?

Micah: Yeah. I think what I was trying to get at, though, is it seems like we have Remus Lupin, who’s a werewolf, but then you kind of just have these other ghosts and ghouls. Like the ghoul that lived up in the Weasley’s attic and the goblins at Gringotts. And the vampires; they very rarely make an appearance in the series. I agree with Laura that it set the tone just kind of having them around. They didn’t necessarily play a significant role, but it seemed like she took only a few of those and made them important, whereas the others were just kind of scenery. You know what I’m saying?

Laura: Mhm.

Micah: But why do that? I mean, you have seven books. Why not make them more important to the central plot?

Andrew: Well, because you know why. We’ve read them all now. It’s like – maybe around Prisoner of Azkaban you could argue that, but they’re not that important. They don’t really need to be.

Laura: Yeah, and there’s only like so many times that you can make the plot surround some magical creature. Like, it would – I don’t know. I think it would be weird if you had, you know, the book with Remus and being a werewolf, and then in the next book you had someone being a vampire, and the book after that – you know. I think it would get old.

Micah: All right.

Andrew: Elysa.

Elysa: Yeah, I agree. I mean, if anyone could pull it off it would be Jo, but…

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Elysa: But really, I think if there had been too much of that, it would have just turned into a freak circus. And it would detour from the writing and from the plot, anyway, if she had purposely went out of her way to incorporate that.

Andrew: Yeah. And the uniqueness that is Harry Potter. Because it would be very generic to have a story about vampires and stuff. And by keeping these people minor, it’s not really a generic story of vampires or werewolves. I think she balanced it perfectly.


Snape Not a Vampire


Micah: Well, speaking of vampires, one of the main theories that was out there throughout the course of the entire series was that Snape was a vampire. And this theory was obviously absolutely crushed by J.K. Rowling, and I just want to know – I guess maybe just even from Elysa, having read a ton of fan fiction, what did you think… [laughs] …when it was finally put to rest? Because I’m sure there were probably hundreds, if not thousands, of stories based solely on this.

Elysa: Yeah, no, there definitely were. Though to be completely honest, I was never quite sure where that came from, because a lot of the stories, anyway, the reasons that they used for – or the motive, rather, that they used for Snape being a vampire seemed a little arbitrary. I mean, they made for great stories, but I didn’t find that much canon to support it. A lot of the times they would sort of use the whole Remus Lupin being a werewolf thing as a basis for the plot, and Snape being a vampire, him being a werewolf, and the whole vampire/werewolf feud, and so – like, that was usually from a fan fic perspective, what – you know, how it came about, but in terms of it being a legitimate theory of him being a vampire, I wasn’t quite certain where that came from.

Micah: I mean, did any of it come from – there are a couple times in the series that she refers to him as being bat-like.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Or having qualities like that.

Andrew: Well, let’s not forget that in Sorcerer’s Stone Anniversary Edition, she described him as somewhat looking like a vampire, but that is Snape. That’s just his appearance.


The Veil


Micah: Okay. One of the other theories that was out there that I know we spent a lot of time talking about, and Laura in particular…

Laura: Uh-oh.

Micah: …because of her love – [laughs] – because of your love of the Department of Mysteries. Halloween being the day where the Veil between the world of the living and the dead is at its thinnest, and its role in Deathly Hallows. We did spend a lot of time talking about this in past shows, and it was kind of disappointing, because it really ended up having – the Veil itself, actually, having very little impact on the final book.

Laura: Yeah, it like – next to nothing. I was so disappointed. [laughs] Anyway. Yeah, I remember discussing this. Didn’t we do like a three part series?

Micah: [laughs] We probably did, yeah.

Andrew and Laura: On the Department of Mysteries? Yeah.

Laura: And I remember we spent a long time talking about that. And I remember it was because someone was theorizing that maybe Voldemort was going to fall on Halloween, that it would go down on the same day it all started.

Andrew: Yeah, because there was some…

Laura: And I forget whose idea that was.

Andrew: I don’t know, but there were – I had brought up a theory saying there was something related to Halloween where some veil was always the thinnest.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: Do you guys remember when we were talking about that?

Laura: Well, yeah, that’s always been sort of a theory, that, like, the bridge between the world of the living and the dead is at its shortest or at its thinnest on Halloween.

Andrew: So you could, theoretically, hear through it better, maybe? Or look…

Laura: Yeah. Or it would allow people to cross over, I guess. I think that was our – and at this point, did we have the title of the book?

Micah: We probably did…

Laura: Because I feel like that’s where…

Micah: …and there – there were so many different things related to Hallows at the time that we were analyzing, that probably did have something to do with it as well.

Laura: And I feel like we heard “hallows” and then we thought, “Oh, Halloween,” you know?

Andrew: Right.

Micah: All Hallows Eve, yeah.

Laura: Yeah, yeah. I think that’s where it was coming from.

Andrew: Yeah, that was it. That was exactly it. Yeah. So…

Micah: So, we…

Laura: Such a different – like, where does this crap come from? Like, where did we get this crap? [laughs]

[Andrew and Micah laughs]

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Over-analyzation


Micah: Well, not only that – you want to go crazy? We spent that whole episode – Laura, I think it was you, me, and Eric talking about the Antipodean
Opaleye, the dragon, because we thought that…

Laura: Oh, my God, yes. [laughs]

Andrew: Oh yeah…

Laura: Oh my God!

Micah: The dragon on the cover of the Deluxe Edition, and that means that – I don’t even know.

[Laura laughs]

Micah: We were talking about that Deathly Hallows symbol being – like, reversing worlds, or going through time, or different ends of the Earth.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: We were all over the place. [laughs]

Laura: Oh, I remember, I remember… [laughs]

Elysa: Oh man.

Laura: What happened was that Eric was saying that the scenery on that cover looked like New Zealand. I wonder why.

Andrew: Oh yeah, yeah.

[Elysa laughs]

Laura: And then he’s like, “Well, maybe they go to New
Zealand.”

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: But you’ve got to remember, that’s all we had to work with, so we had to discuss and pick apart every little pixel of those covers.

Micah: Yep.

Laura: I miss that, though. Those days were really fun…

Micah: That was great, yeah.

Laura: …because we really had no clue what was going on. [laughs]


Significance of Halloween


Andrew: Yeah, yeah. So let’s move along. Do you think J.K. Rowling intentionally made significant events happen in the series on Halloween after the Potters’ death? Micah, can you elaborate a little more?

Micah: Do you want me to answer it, or do you want me to elaborate?

Ben: Well, I think – I think that makes sense, because it’s All Hallows Eve, it’s a – it’s like when the spirits come out of Hell or something like that. Isn’t that what it is?

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: So, I mean, all this evil – all evilness is coming out, and some bad stuff has to happen.

Andrew: Yeah. Well, it also just – it also just sets a very interesting theme. You just – I think it’s part of Jo’s really descriptive writing. You get feeling out of
knowing that all this stuff is occurring on Halloween. Because we all know what Halloween feels like, that sort of spirit.

Micah: Right.

Laura: Mhm.

Micah: I think after the Potters’ death, she chose to really make that a significant date in the series.

[Laura laughs]

Micah: Because if you look at all the different events, I mean, what happens on Halloween in the first book is, that’s when the trio really forms. It’s
when they come together to face the troll. And from that point on, at least through – I think it’s like the first four books – there are significant events that take place on Halloween.

Laura: Yeah, I was just trying to remember, like – I don’t know, I don’t want to back track too much, but Book 1, it’s the troll…

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: …and then Book 2, Deathday party slash whatever. They find the first…

Micah: The first attack, yeah.

Laura: Yeah. Book 3, Sirius broke into the castle. Book 4, Harry…

Andrew: We had a main discussion on this, didn’t we?

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Probably, yeah.

Laura: Yeah, we did.

Andrew: We did.

Laura: I think we went over everything that had happened. I think this was our first Halloween episode, actually…

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: …that we went over all the stuff that happened on Halloween. That is crazy.

Micah: What was Goblet of Fire? That was the actual…

Laura: Harry was chosen, I think.

Micah: Right, right.

Laura: From the Goblet.

Micah: And then it – nothing happened in the last three books, I don’t think.

Ben: [imitating angry Dumbledore in Movie 4] “Did you put your name in the Goblet of Fire?!”

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: Oh, we’re joined by Michael Gambon, everybody.

Laura: Yeah. [laughs]

Micah: I guess we could talk briefly about – it’s obviously Rowling’s favorite holiday. It’s a day of both great triumph and tragedy for the Wizarding World. I guess the only real thing to say about that is just that it was the day that Voldemort met his match in Harry Potter, but it was also a day of great tragedy,
because both Harry’s parents were killed.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: That was kind of the only point that I was trying to make there.

Andrew: Yeah. It’s interesting.

Micah: And, actually, somebody brought this up just before, but should Voldemort have fallen on October 31st? You know, would that had brought the story full circle? Better than what happened?

Andrew: I think it was already full circle enough with Remus and Tonks’ kid losing Remus and Tonks. So, I think it would’ve been cool, but I don’t know if it’d be necessary. But I guess when you think about all the events that did happen on Halloween, it would’ve been pretty fitting. Although, if you think about it, let’s see, they were – school had started when they were still searching for the Horcruxes. So don’t you think with the Harry Potter timeline in mind, like…

Micah: You wouldn’t have been able to have a battle at Hogwarts, really. In the way that she wrote it, if you waited until Halloween. I don’t think.

Andrew: Do you – when did this happen, exactly? Was it before Halloween?

Micah: Yeah. I think so.

Laura: Well, technically. No, wait, the final battle at Hogwarts?

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, that was in June. Like, it was towards the end of the school year, I think.

Andrew: Right. So they had already passed.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: You know what I’m saying?

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking, is that they – it would’ve – like, the book started in, what, July?

Andrew: Right.

Micah: Probably. Yeah.

Laura: It would’ve been – it would’ve been a few months long, the timeline of the book.

Micah: Yeah. It would’ve had to have been – it would’ve had to have spanned two Halloweens in order for it to get to where we wanted it to be, you know? We would’ve
passed the first Halloween, where they were in the forest, or something, and then the second one would’ve had to extend beyond that Battle of Hogwarts for it to
actually be worth anything. But that’s what I’m saying. I don’t think that it would’ve worked well for – for her to have to write it that way. It didn’t make
sense.

Andrew: Okay. So I guess we’re going to get into the fun portion of the discussion now. If you had to dress up as a Harry Potter character for Halloween, who would it be? I’ve already done it. I’ve been Harry.

Laura: Dork!

[Elysa laughs]

Andrew: How about you guys? Ben, who would you be if you had to dress up as a character for Halloween? Harry Potter character for Halloween?

Ben: [imitating Hagrid] Rubeus Hagrid!

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: You would fit the character well.

Ben: Thanks, Andrew, because I’m a giant. I’m larger than life.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I didn’t mean it that way.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Andrew: I didn’t mean it that way. I meant that you’re tall. That’s all I meant.

Ben: This is why I don’t come on, Andrew.

[Andrew laughs]

Elysa: Oh, my gosh! [laughs]

Andrew: MuggleCast 160, Larger than Life. Should be a show title.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Micah, how about you? If you had to be one character? Actually I – let me guess, let me guess. I would say you would want to be…

Ben: Hermione.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I would guess you’d want to be Snape.

Micah: That might not be a bad character. I’m trying to think of a really obscure character that would kind of fit.

Ben: Dawlish.

Micah: [laughs] Dawlish. I don’t know.

Andrew: Well, here, we’ll get back to you in a second. Laura and Elysa? How about you guys? You think about it though, Micah.

Laura: I don’t know. I mean, I don’t really – I can’t think of anything. But I will confess I did dress up as Hermione for Halloween in fifth grade.

Elysa: Nice!

Andrew: Well – so yeah. So you would want to…

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Wow, fifth grade.

Laura: Yeah.

Ben: Wow.

Andrew: Nobody was really dressing up like Harry Potter back then.

Laura: I was, like…

Ben: I think Laura’s a trendsetter, I think.

[Andrew and Ben laugh]

Laura: Yeah, that’s right.

Ben: She broke the mold.

Laura: That’s right.

Andrew: You should’ve copyrighted the costume design before – before WB got to it.

Laura: Yeah, really. What was I thinking?

[Elysa laughs]

Laura: My dumb eleven year-old self. Like…

Elysa: Aww!

Andrew: [laughs] Elysa, how about you? I could see you dressing up as Tonks.

Elysa: I’m going to go with…

Ben: No.

Elysa: Tonks?

Ben: Bellatrix.

Andrew: Oh, Bellatrix.

Elysa: Bellatrix?! Ouch!

Ben: What?

Andrew: It’s not an insult. Just a…

Ben: She’s a badass.

Andrew: Yeah.

Elysa: Yeah. Actually, I’m going to go with Hedwig.

[Andrew laughs]

Elysa: No one ever thinks of Hedwig!

Ben: I’m going to be a Nimbus 2000.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: And then we would – and then we would have to blow you up.

Micah: [laughs] Yeah. I mean, he’s nothing more than a puff of feathers. Or she.

Elysa: Oh no! Blasphemy! No!

Micah: Nothing more than a puff of feathers.

Elysa: [laughs] Actually, Thompson, I have a proposition for you.

Laura: Uh-oh.

Ben: Who’s Thompson?

Elysa: Yeah, I was thinking about this. And if I was thinking to be Hedwig, I would totally want to be Firenze. So…

Laura: [laughs] What?!

Elysa: …you know how, like, those old fashioned – those old fashioned horse outfits? Like, could you – would you please do me the honor of being my…

Andrew: Back legs?

Elysa: …backside?

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Elysa: Would you please do that for me?

Laura: Yeah. You know, I’ll just go ahead and go book a flight right now and fly out to England.

Elysa: Yeah!

Laura: It’ll be fun. We’ll walk around the Oxford campus.

Elysa: Yes! Seriously! When? Come on out.

Andrew: As Firenze?

Elysa: Yeah, I think that would totally work. Let’s do it.

Laura: That’d be pretty fun. Maybe we’ll run into Emma Watson and – yeah. She’ll be really impressed by that, right?

Elysa: Probably would.

[Laura laughs]

Elysa: Scare the living daylights out of her.

Andrew: This has been girl talk on MuggleCast.

[Micah laughs]


What If?


Andrew: All right. Well, that’s our Halloween main discussion for now. Hopefully everyone enjoyed it. We’ll do it next year. Grasping for even more straws, unless J.K. Rowling reveals something interesting in Beedle the Bard, maybe. When it comes to Halloween discussion, I mean. Next up we have an interesting What If?, and we haven’t done this in a while. And when Micah originally suggested it, I wasn’t sure if it would offend people. But I don’t think – it’s not offensive. Micah, go ahead. Why don’t
you introduce it?

Micah: Okay, well, the What If? segment… [laughs] …for this week is, what if J.K. Rowling were a man? And I guess…

Elysa: Mmm…

Laura: Oh, I’m so offended.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: No, but the best two people to ask about this, I really did think, were Laura and Elysa, because I’m interested in what their take would be if she were actually a man and this was a man who was writing the series. Do you think there would be a different reaction to it? Do you think that sales would have been different? Maybe she would have had a little bit more success early on in her career when the series first came out?

Laura: I don’t – I mean, how much more success can you ask for? I mean, she’s been pretty…

Micah: Well, we all know it didn’t take off the way that it obviously blossomed into later on, years later.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, but I think that’s just being an author, though. I mean, you go to any…

Micah: Well…

Laura: …famous author, they didn’t just – most of them didn’t just take off overnight. I don’t know that it’s gender-specific.

Micah: Well, didn’t they specifically have her name be changed to J.K…

Laura: Yes. They did.

Micah: …Rowling on the book covers?

Elysa: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, they did that because they thought that, what was it? They don’t think that – there’s some study…

Andrew: Women authors would sell.

Laura: Well, no, that’s not it. They think that women readers don’t discriminate based on sex, but that male readers aren’t likely to pick up books by female
authors.

Andrew: Oh, right. Right.

Laura: And so that’s why they did it. But, I mean, these are also the same people who changed the name of the first book in the U.S. because they thought American kids were too dumb to know what a philosopher was. So…

Andrew: I was too dumb to know what a sorcerer was.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: They should have just kept it. It would have been the same thing. I think that – I think the biggest difference would be the writing style, don’t you think? Because there are differences between a man writing and a woman writing, and I think J. K. Rowling’s extremely…

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: …clever writing style and her witty remarks from Dumbledore and all that, I think it’s from J.K. Rowling’s feminine qualities. You know what I mean? Or am I way off here?

Laura: Yeah. Well, no, no no. I mean, I think there’s something to be said for that fact, just because if she were a man, she would obviously be a completely different person.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: So, I mean, clearly, the perspective would be different.

Micah: Yeah. I don’t think you would have as many powerful female characters, probably, as you do in this series. I mean, you look across the board, whether it’s
Hermione or Molly – or even Umbridge and Bellatrix – they’re very, very powerful. Ginny too. I don’t know that you would have that in a book that was written by a man.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Mhm. It depends. I mean, some men do write very powerful female characters. It just depends on the guy, I guess.

Elysa: Yeah, I don’t know. I’m tempted to speculate on a whole host of things that might have been different, including what Micah was saying about strong female characters. But, honestly, I feel like it wouldn’t make much difference at all. And I hate using such a loaded word, but I feel like feminism is about equality, not being better, or being worse, or even different intellectually, just equal. So I don’t think it’d really matter. I don’t feel like the characters she created, or the plot she created, or the atmosphere, or the level of creativity, I don’t think any of that is gender-specific, and I think the books would have been just as good and had all the
same positives, or negatives, if she were a man.

Ben: That’s what I learned in my Sociology class at school, was that in society we tend to think – we tend to associate gender roles. Like, you know, men are better at fixing cars…

Andrew: Oh, yeah.

Ben: …or women are better at doing this thing, when the actual studies indicate that it’s completely the opposite way, that gender doesn’t matter.

Elysa: Right.

Ben: It doesn’t affect the quality of work.

Elysa: Yeah. I think the only time it matters is in perception.

Ben: But don’t they say perception is reality?

Elysa: That’s true. I disagree, though.

Andrew: J.K. Rowling has always admitted that she’s been shy. She was very shy, you know, as an author, back in the ’90s, and she still kind of is now. Do you think that would have changed at all? I mean…

Laura: No.

Andrew: …this is a tricky thing to step around, because you don’t want to come off like you’re sexist or anything.

Laura: No, I don’t think so. I mean…

Andrew: Like, you know, only women are shy, which is obviously not the case. I mean, look at Ben.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: So…

Laura: Hey! Stop insulting my gender.

[Elysa laughs]

Laura: Anyway – I’m just kidding, Ben. [laughs] What I think – okay, here’s what I think. If we’re like taking this – like we’re assuming, right, that it’s exactly her, like same person, just in a male body, right? Like that’s what we’re saying?

Ben: But then it’s not her anymore.

Laura: Right.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Like same personality, like same everything, like carbon copy, but male. Okay.

Andrew: I don’t know. How exactly should we put it, Micah? Like…

Micah: Well…

Andrew: What are we exactly talking about?

Micah: Well, I think we’ve addressed some of the things.

Andrew: Because personality changes.

Micah: We’ve definitely talked about some of the things so far, I mean, in terms of her writing style, in terms of how the readers would choose to accept her or not accept her, or maybe even, would she be a more aggressive person? You know, would she be a little bit more arrogant? I mean, not that she – she’s definitely not an arrogant person, and you mentioned that she’s very shy and reserved. But, you know, if you lend that quality to – or rather, if you changed the gender, does that change completely? I mean, is she somebody that then doesn’t donate to charity or doesn’t do some of the things that J.K. Rowling has been known to do?

Laura: Hmm. I don’t know. I mean – just like – one of my favorite authors, Michael Connelly, is extremely shy. I mean, you see this guy interviewed on the news and he’s like in shock, like he – you can tell – he’s completely confused by the idea that people want to talk to him. And it’s – and I like it because it’s very humbling, and you feel like that person actually deserves to be where they are. But no, I don’t think that shyness or any other personality trait like that is gender specific. And I mean, I think assuming like what I was saying earlier, if we’re just saying she’s the same exact person just with a different gender, then I don’t think anything would change. But at the same time, I do think that there are – I mean, I personally feel like if I had been born male, I wouldn’t be the same person. I mean, it’s like – I would probably have some things that were different about me. So – but for the sake of the argument, I was assuming…

Ben: But society conditions you, though.

Laura: Right.

Ben: When you’re born male, your crib and the sheets have to be blue. When you’re female, the sheets have to be pink. And girls play with dolls and boys play with action figures, so…

Laura: I played with Tonka trucks. That’s just me though.

Ben: Yeah, but you’re weird.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: Thanks, Ben. [laughs]

Ben: Good to be back.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: It’s great to have you back.

Andrew: All right, so is this what we’ve come up with? So, if J.K. Rowling were a man, there really wouldn’t be many differences.

Micah: It’s just…

Ben: I just think you can’t tell because it’s all like – everything was timing, you know what I mean? That’s why Jo was successful was because she – all the pieces fell into place in the right way, and you don’t know that if she was a man, all the pieces would have fell the exact same way because her being a man completely changes who she is as a person.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: You know what I mean? Because…

Laura: Right.

Ben: You know, if you – if you’ve had – if you identify as being female and you identify as being male, you know what I mean? Clearly going to be different, so who knows if the book would have even been published to begin with.

Elysa: Right. I agree.

Ben: Or it could have been even popular, who knows?

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Or it could’ve been Eragon.

Andrew: I think there would be…

Laura: Oh, God.

Andrew: …some changes in personality.

Micah: I mean, it’s a very dicey subject, and you know…

Andrew: Yeah. Oh, definitely.

Micah: …like you said in the beginning, and obviously we’re just trying to come up with some sort of ideas over… [laughs] …a very messed up topic.

[Elysa and Laura laugh]

Andrew: It’s not messed up. It’s a fun topic. We’re shock jocks.


Debate: Harry Potter Mandatory Reading in Schools


Micah: All right, well, it is time for our debate segment this week, and I’d like to thank all of you for coming here today, and I’ll ask the audience to please be quiet during the debate.

[Elysa and Laura laugh]

Micah: Except for this time, when we welcome in our two sides…

[Elysa and Laura laugh]

Micah: …to argue whether the Harry Potter series or one of the seven books should be made mandatory reading in U.S. public schools. On the side arguing that they should be made mandatory, if – are Ben Schoen and Elysa Montfort. On the side arguing that they should not be made mandatory are Andrew Sims and Laura Thompson.

Andrew: That’s me!

Micah: Each side will have two minutes to make their case followed by a one minute rebuttal period. Ben and Elysa, you go first. You have two minutes, and your time starts now.

Ben: Well, my friends…

[Elysa and Laura laugh]

Ben: …I would just like to say that the impact Harry Potter has had on literacy is absolutely undeniable, and I have never met a single person who’s read Harry Potter and said, man, I wish I’d never done that. And the fact of the matter remains that you continue to hear success story after success story that of people who have read Harry Potter, that have gone on to read other things, and Harry Potter sparked their interest in reading. And it’s been proven, through so many – when we’re at these podcasts, doing these events, we’ll talk to parents of kids who say, “My child didn’t read before Harry Potter and now it’s helped them become passionate about learning and passionate about education.” And I think that if the Harry Potter books were made mandatory, you’re going to spread that education and you’re going to make that something that’s important to these kids, and Harry Potter is a great hook to suck them in. Elysa, do you have anything to add?

Elysa: Yeah, I just wanted to say that I agree completely, and I actually found a newspaper article on ThisIsLondon.com talking about Robert Meller’s Primary School, which is in a depraved – a deprived area, has jumped from the bottom twenty-five percent of schools in the U.K. to just outside of the top five percent over the last three years alone after deciding to incorporate the Harry Potter books into their curriculum and making it mandatory reading in their English classes. So that’s hard evidence of what Ben was just saying. And especially in the United States, where we rank number eighteen on literacy rates in the whole world, with countries like Moldova and Lithuania being ranked higher than us, I think it’s extremely important to make literacy and the Harry Potter books mandatory reading and a higher priority in our education system.

Ben: It is all about education, my friends.

Micah: All right. Your time is up.

Elysa: Yeah, forty million adults in the U.S. are functionally illiterate.

Micah: Andrew and Laura, you have two minutes.

[Clapping sound clip plays]

Laura: Okay.

Andrew: Go ahead, Laura.

Laura: So students…

Micah: I said no clapping.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Micah: …by the audience. Only when the candidates entered.

Laura: This better not cost me time.

[Audience booing sound clips plays]

Micah: No, you’re two minutes will start now, but please refrain the audience from clapping in your favor. I’ll have none of that in my debate hall.

Laura: Okay, well, thank you for having us here tonight, Micah.

[Audience cheer sound clip plays]

[Laura and Elysa laugh]

Laura: Oh my God! Okay.

Andrew: Okay, go. That’s it.

Micah: Mr. Sims.

Laura: So…

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Micah: Stop making hand gestures to the crowd.

Andrew: Go ahead. We’re done. Go ahead.

Laura: So first point, students are notorious for hating books they’re forced to read in school. One of the reasons that we all love Harry Potter so much is because we’re allowed to find it at our own pace as opposed to being forced to have a certain amount of chapters read by a certain time. Why do that to kids? Why would we possibly want to destroy the magic that we’ve gotten from Harry Potter by making it something mandatory? Furthermore, it’s great and all that some schools are involving Harry Potter in their curriculum, but there are a number of ignorant people out there who would be adverse to allowing their children to participate in classes in which Harry Potter was being taught, and I don’t sympathize with these people, but rather, I don’t think schools should have to deal with the kind of distraction that could arise from several students refusing to take part in classroom activities. Like think of Laura Mallory, seriously, and think about where I live; people would definitely do it. Furthermore, I’m thinking of Chronicles of Narnia. You couldn’t possibly teach all of the Chronicles of Narnia in school, so they picked the first and most popular book and made everybody read it five million times, to the point where no one wanted to read it any more. And I fear that this would also happen with Harry Potter. Go ahead, Andrew.

Andrew: Yeah, there’s something about making sure that students read a book. Once you read a book, you suddenly lose – it doesn’t come – it’s not as fun for you to read that book. And, like Laura was saying, this would just spark a whole bunch of new debates over whether – it would start with fights in schools with parents versus the administrators saying, oh, you shouldn’t allow – my kid shouldn’t be reading this. I don’t want them to be reading this. It’s sort of like with the flag, the American flag. That one line, “One nation, under God.” That sparked a whole thing because schools were making them say, “One nation, under God.” And, oh, well, you know, I’m Atheist or support a different religion. So that’s why. It would just cause too much of an uproar; it’s better off with people just simply reading it on their own time in a relaxing environment.

Micah: All right, Ben and Elysa, you have one minute rebuttal time.

Ben: All right, well, first of all, I would like to point out that education is the value that we are saying that we should win on because education is the most important thing by far, and, like I said, before I read the Harry Potter books I absolutely hated them. I didn’t think – I heard all about them and I hated all of the hype about it and then when I actually took the opportunity to read it, I loved it. And I think if you made people read these books it can spark their interest in reading, and that will be the most important. On to your point about the controversy that it would cause having the books in the classrooms: fact of the matter is, they’re just books. They encourage children to read. The controversy would be more than worth it because education outweighs any controversy that could possibly be brought up. Not only that, Uncle Tom’s Cabin and Huckleberry Finn are two books that are read a lot of times in classrooms, even though they may cause some controversy. It’s like when a teacher shows a rated R movie – a movie that’s rated R or something in the class, they just have to get permission slip signed by the parents. It’ll be fine. If kids can’t participate, that’s fine, that’s their loss. But education wins here. Period.

Andrew: Laura, you want to start again?

Laura: Sure. [laughs]

Micah: Andrew and Laura, you have a minute for rebuttal.

Laura: Okay, it’s not that we don’t think that Harry Potter has educational merit, because we do. But the problem is that Harry Potter has been such a integral part of our lives and it has allowed us grow so much as people and have so many great experiences, and I would frankly hate to see for my children to bring this book home from school one day and be like, “Oh, I have to read this dumb Harry Potter book because my teacher’s making me do it.” I want my kids to be able to pick up those books and find the same magic that I found in them, and I didn’t find that by being forced to read it.

Andrew: Yeah, I mean, look. It’s…

Micah: Thirty seconds.

Andrew: People just cannot enjoy a story when you’re being forced to read it. And parents – Ben was saying that if your parents sign a permission slip or they sign something saying that they can’t read this book, that’s just not acceptable because then those kids…

Micah: Five seconds.

Andrew: …are losing an education when they all could be reading a book that they agree on.

Micah: That concludes our debate for this evening.

Andrew: Micah, who do you think won?

Micah: Well, this is a very interesting topic, and I’m not going to call it my inquisition, as Eric did last week, and spend a lot of time discussing. I think both sides raised very good points. The one thing I was a little bit concerned about, and obviously, you do have to base your opinions strongly on your own experiences, but worrying a little bit about your own personal experience with the series, I thought – you can’t really use that as a basis for the future generations, because they’re not going to have the same experience and they’re not going to go through the midnight release parties or sort of the magic surrounding the series as a whole; it’s just not going to happen no matter how you try to recreate it for them. But another point that I didn’t hear brought up from either side was that these books could be read before your children even get to school, so if you’re worried about preserving the magic of the series, just like with a lot of other fantasy series, certainly one thing that could be done is introducing the books to them before they would have to encounter them at school.

Andrew: But to enjoy it fully, I think you need to read it at at least middle school.

Ben: Well, I think the problem is that you’re going to have a lot of people – the fact of the matter is that if it’s mandated that they have to read it, then you’re going to have a lot more people who actually do read it, and you could gain more interest in the series because there may be kids who never would have read it unless it was assigned in English.

Elysa: Right, I agree.

Andrew: And I think little kids get turned off by the size of the books. My brother’s an example of that. I know that’s not everyone, but people look at some of the sizes of these books and think, “I can’t read all that,” because they’re used to these books where the print is larger and there’s just less pages.

Micah: And I think the other point that was brought up that was strong was the controversial topics. That shouldn’t be a reason why it’s left out of a curriculum. Whether it’s Uncle Tom’s Cabin or even The Diary of Anne Frank, would be another example, not wanting to delve into the whole issue of the Holocaust. I mean, there are so many different books that you could go through that have those sort of racial undertones or some sort of controversial issue attached to them that you don’t want kid’s minds being affected by that. This, I guess, is more of a religious issue than anything else, but I still don’t think that that’s a reason to keep it out of children’s hands and being taught, because there’s so many things within the series itself, I think, that can be taught and are being taught even today at a lot of different colleges and universities. If I had to make a decision – I’m trying to stay nonpartisan as the media always does, you know…

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: That was a bad attempt at a joke.

Andrew: Well, good point.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: You brought up some valid points.

Micah: I would have to say that it should be. Not the series as a whole, but one of the books possibly mandated for kids to read and then leave it up to the kids.

Andrew: Sure.

Micah: The children. Do you want to explore it further? And then that’s your choice.

Laura: That’s a good middle ground.

Andrew: All right, well, that does it for our debate. And that actually wraps up our show for this wonderful 160 milestone.

Laura: And let me just say, I didn’t agree with anything I said. I was just arguing.

Andrew: Yeah, me too. Me too.

Laura: Yeah, because I know people are going to be like, “Laura! You hate education!”

Ben: So, Micah, who won?

Micah: I said I would have to side with you and Elysa, based on the debate.

Ben: I think I’m undefeated in these things.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Micah: But I’m sure that there’s plenty of stuff that people are going to send in both about the debate and if J.K. Rowling were a man.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Ben: I just think that the point is that education shall overcome everything.

Andrew: Yeah. [singing] We shall overcome.

Ben: All-right-y.


Show Close


Andrew: It’s been a great show! Happy Halloween, everyone. Happy Election Day! Vote no on Proposition 8.

Laura: Happy Halloween!

Ben: Thanks for…

Andrew: Ben, I hope you’ve enjoyed your time in the MuggleCast studio.

Ben: Yeah, thanks for welcoming me back with open arms, everybody. Laura, it’s been great. Eliza -Elysa, it’s been great.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: Micah, it’s been even better.

Laura: Way to remember your co-hosts names.

Micah: Hey, it’s good to be a member of the senior staff now with you, Ben. I can’t say enough about your endorsement of, you know, my staff…

Andrew: You’re right up there on the same level. He strongly supports the decision.

Ben: First senior staff, next Tannenbaum ’16.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Ben: 2016!

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: I’m running his campaign.

Andrew: Well, Ben and I have to go because we’re actually going to go to a Wizard Rock show. It’s a Potter day for us!

Ben: [singing] Fell in love with a girl at the w-rock show.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: Wizard Rock with a W, thank you very much. W-rock.

Andrew: We’re going to go see The Remus Lupins and Ministry of Magic.

Micah: Is that the crazy Voldemort dude?

[Elysa and Laura laugh]

Andrew: It is, it is. So we’re looking forward to it.

Ben: He’s not crazy. He’s actually quite a nice guy, Micah.

Andrew: Yeah, he’s cool.

Micah: I meant crazy in a good way. You know, like a cool, hip kind of way.

Andrew: All right, well, if you would like to send something in to our P.O. Box, Ben – no, sorry, Laura, what’s the P.O. Box?

Ben: P.O. Box 223, Moundridge, Kansas – oh wait.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

[Show music begins]

Laura: Oh, my gosh, it’s P.O. Box 3151, Cumming, Georgia, 30028.

Andrew: You can also use the MuggleCast hotline to give us a call. If you’re in the United States you can dial 1-218-20-MAGIC. If you’re in the United Kingdom you can dial 02081440677. And if you’re in Australia, you can dial 0280035668. Or Skype the username MuggleCast, but remember, now matter how you call us, just remember to keep your message under 60 seconds and eliminate as much background noise as possible. Don’t forget, you can also visit MuggleNet.com/feedback to use our feedback form since we could never get the MuggleCast one working.

Ben: I don’t know why.

Andrew: It’s weird. We gave up.

Ben: It just broke out of the blue, didn’t it?

Andrew: Yeah. These people, these people on the staff. Micah, get that working. You’re senior staff now.

Micah: All right.

Andrew: Responsible.

Micah: Where’s Damon?

Andrew: I think that wraps up the show.

Ben: That wraps – that’s a wrap.

Andrew: And don’t forget the community outlets, but you all know them. The MySpace, the Facebook

Ben: YouTube, Frappr, Last.FM, the forums and fanlistings.

Andrew: Follow us on Twitter.

Ben: Twitter.

Andrew: I’m trying to get Ben to Twitter.

Ben: Andrew is so excited for tonight.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Ben: He’s going to go to the w-rock show.

Andrew: I’m going to Tweet that right now. So excited for tonight.

Ben: Laura, are you coming out for the w-rock show?

Laura: Yeah, I’m actually going to go down to BWI as soon as I finish here, and I’ll be there in three hours? Four hours?

Andrew: All right, guys, once again…

Ben: Wrap it up.

Andrew: …I’m Andrew Sims.

Ben: I’m Ben Shoen.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Elysa: And I’m Elysa Monfort.

Andrew: Thank you, everyone, for joining us. We’ll see you next time for Episode 161. Buh-bye!

Micah: Bye.

Ben: MuggleCast 160 is in the can.

Laura: Bye!

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: That’s what [unintelligible] said, right?

[Show music ends]


Blooper 1


Andrew: Micah, what’s in the news this week? Hold on, that was bad. That was bad.

Ben: Lay it on me, Micah.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: That’s what she said.


Blooper 2


Andrew: Okay, that’s all. [laughs]

Ben: No. Snape. Snape’s greasy.

Andrew: [unintelligible] What’s going on?

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: What the hell?

[Micah laughs]

Ben: I’m just chilling. I’m having a good time in the MuggleCast news studio.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: Actually, that’s in New York. I want to go visit the news center.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: Micah, do you have a sweet set-up?

Micah: [laughs] I just – I have a headset and a Macbook. It’s not that exciting.

Ben: Oh. Oh, damn.

Micah: I don’t get the layout that Andrew does with the…

Ben: Well, Andrew has an announcement to make. Andrew, go ahead and tell them.

Andrew: What?

Ben: Andrew’s going to be buying everybody soundboards.

Laura: Oh, really? Great!

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: They’re in the mail, so…


Blooper 3


Andrew: Okay, this last blooper requires a brief set-up. We recorded the episode successfully, and the reason this show was delayed was because we accidentally lost Elysa’s audio. So she had to re-record her voice. So I don’t know if any of you could tell, but when she spoke in this episode, she wasn’t speaking live. She was when we recorded, but we lost her recording, so she had to re-record everything that she said. So this is the little message she attached to the end of her audio file after she finished re-recording and heard the final goodbye of the show. Hope you enjoy.

Elysa: Yes! I’m [bleep] done. Oh, [bleep] on a cracker. Oh, my God, that was painful. Oh, God. God bless you, Andrew. I don’t know if there’s another human being on this planet that could make me do that [bleep]. That was [bleep] ridiculous. Okay. Anyway, this is completely unrelated to the show, so I’m ending this now. Bye!

Transcript #160

MuggleCast 160 Transcript


Andrew’s Disclaimer


Andrew: Hey everyone, this is Andrew, and as you all know by now, the Half-Blood Prince international trailer leaked online this morning, Sunday, October 26th. And so we did a live show, and it went great. The only problem was, we lost – well, we didn’t lose – but I had audio problems. I stupidly put the output into the input and vice versa on the computer that was streaming the stream, so we were having these weird audio problems. But the show did turn out okay, other than it being really low, and that was the problem. That was why it was all messed up, because two wires were crisscrossed the wrong way. So I’m a complete idiot; I admit it. Anyway, so the first couple minutes of the show did not turn out because of how I stupidly set it up – accidentally set it up. The music was too loud… [laughs] …over our voices. And so we’re going to cut into the show just a minute or two in. You didn’t really miss anything in the beginning. It’s just us introducing the co-hosts, and that’s all. But I am going to play the intro music and all that to pretend like nothing ever happened. Although I just spoiled it for you now. Anyway, so that’s why there will be a cut into the show. I’ve talked long enough, so enjoy.


Show Intro


[Intro music plays]

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[Music continues]


Special Effects


Eric: No, I’m talking about special effects. One of you guys talking about special effects in this trailer being weird.

Laura: You know, the ones that look like they were made in iMovie.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Andrew: Well, no, there’s one that really stood out. I don’t know if Laura said it specifically, but it was the one where McGonagall is sending the lightning bolt up into the air.

Eric: I see.

Andrew: That’s the one, right?

Laura: Yeah, it looked really bad.

Andrew: Yeah. It was weird. So, yeah, that was – that was strange.

Eric: I see. Is there any others that stick out as being…

Matt: What is so bad about it? It looks like a lightning bolt.

Eric: And, I mean, I’m looking at this trailer, and I’m seeing Slughorn pulling out his memory, I’m seeing Harry getting covered by Draco with the Invisibility Cloak, all those other crazy stuff that’s really cool, like – even the waves, because, remember, I saw this movie when the effects weren’t anywhere near completed, and the opening cave scene in this international trailer is definitely very, very beautiful, and you guys might not realize, but that’s CGI. That’s pretty much all CGI, so…

Matt: Really?

Eric: Yeah. I have to say that…

Matt: It’s not real?

Eric: …it looks great to me.

Matt: Oh, my God. I thought it was all real. I thought it was real magic.

Eric: The front – I would say the closer you get to the cave, the more it’s actually CGI, because it was completely blue-ed out, or green-ed out, [unintelligible] of the film, so I guess maybe I’m bias, but I’ve seen what they look like uncompleted, that I’m all happy. But Dumbledore battling the fire. You guys want to bitch about that at all?

Andrew: No. That was fine.

Laura: We’re not sitting here saying that every effect in the trailer was terrible. We’re saying there was specific ones that look unfinished. Particularly the lightning one.

Matt: Well, everything…

Laura: I don’t know, I even thought that the whole bit where Slughorn was pulling the memory out, I even thought that looked a little weird. Not that it’s going to be a bad effect when the movie comes out, but I’m saying that I think this trailer wasn’t completed.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Before it was leaked.

Andrew: Micah, and lastly we’ll get to you, what about your thoughts?

Micah: Well, I didn’t even notice the special effects stuff, to be honest with you. I don’t usually pick up on that.

Andrew: Were you just checking out Hermione or something?


The “Chosen One” Scene


Micah: Yeah. Actually, more Lavender Brown, but that’s besides the point right now. The one thing I will say, though, and I’m sure we’ll talk about this a little bit later on, because it’s at the very end of the trailer – I felt that the end of the trailer had absolutely no connection to the rest of the stuff that was going on before it. And it was just a really weird moment to include. It was – it’s kind of an attempt at humor, but the whole trailer leading up to that had nothing to do with humor at all, so that’s just my initial thought on it.

Andrew: Well, here’s the thing. Here’s why I think that the the effects suck. This trailer – well, okay, maybe that’s a little harsh, you don’t suck. But why – first of all, that one cheesy lightning bolt effect, but also the end where it says it’s coming this year.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: This trailer must have been made months ago. It must have been sitting around WB for months. And somebody…

Eric: It’s very mysterious.

Andrew: Somebody who had a hold of it, maybe somebody within WB, said – I mean, look at the amount of news lately in the Harry Potter fandom. There’s nothing. This has seriously been the slowest news period ever. So they – somebody leaks this to put a little, you know, spark into the fandom. Because it’s been dead! There’s been nothing going on. Don’t you guys agree?

Micah: Oh, I don’t agree with that. We have our Ministry of Magic election. [laughs]

Andrew: Well, that – that’s very exciting, but…

Micah: No, I know what you mean. I know what you mean.

Andrew: Yeah. So that’s – that’s what I think.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: What other – Micah, you said you took some notes. What else do you want to talk about related to this?

Micah: Well, I guess we could start at the end, actually, because I still think it – maybe it has to do with the fact that it’s been sitting around WB for so long, perhaps, but I just didn’t feel like that scene at the end with Hermione and Harry and, Eric, you can maybe clue us in to whether this is actually in the real film, but it was, to me, almost like that moment that – and, Laura, I think this is you who always brings this up, but in Goblet of Fire when he walks into the tent and he says, “I love magic.” And for him to be calling himself the Chosen One in kind of a joking way, I just feel like it is one of those lines they just felt they had to throw in there but really does nothing overall to, I guess, advance the plot. I don’t know.

Eric: Yeah. I mean, I think it’s very interesting that you felt that this scene – well, not interesting but it’s cool that you felt that this scene was so out of place in comparison with the rest of the trailer. That’s a good remark that I appreciate and respect. It’s very – it’s, you know – you’re kind of right there, because they even got the voice over guy in on this trailer.

Andrew: He was really in on this trailer. [laughs]

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: [laughs] I don’t recall them doing that in previous trailers with the voice over guy, so that’s really interesting. Even with that and then to have this scene at the end. But as for the scene itself, I think it – I was thinking about it in the hour we had to prep for this show, and I think that it’s moments like that, especially in this movie, are not only okay but important. Because the humor moments, there are more of them, like more – not more “I love magic” moments, because that has a very negative connotation, but there is a relationship – the whole thing is about this girl liking Harry and Harry, you know, starting to clue in on that kind of stuff. And it is a pretty big plot of the book to have the relationships and the romance, and it did kind of get snuck into the end of this trailer alone, which is kind of something I appreciate, but at the same time Micah was right, that it seems out of place. Now, just finally here, the – Harry is accepting his role as the Chosen One, which is what I like about that statement, which is in the movie – that I saw is in the movie, and it was just a moment where it kind of replaces those paragraphs in the book where it’s like, “Harry knew what must be done,” this and that, this and that, angst, death, he must sacrifice himself, etc. He is speaking with Hermione and Hermione alone. He wouldn’t go around Hogwarts, surely, shouting out, “I am the Chosen One!” He’s just with Hermione and says, “Well, but I am the chosen one.” And she slaps him on the head. It’s funny. There was a lot of slapstick in this movie I think, but we’ll get into that later.

Andrew: Yeah. I was – that was really the first time that you see Harry be like, “Yeah, I’m the Chosen One. What’s up? What are you going to do about it?”

Matt: Mhm. I’m going to slap you in the face.

Andrew: Yeah, I really liked that. I thought that was pretty funny.

Matt: Yeah. That was our first time we got to see Romilda Vane.

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Matt: Is that who you guys really thought Romilda Vane looked like? Because I thought – I mean, the actress who plays Romilda Vane, she looks – she looks pretty attractive.

Andrew: I never wasted my time trying to picture what she looks like.

Eric: You mean Romilda or Lavender?

Matt: Well, I mean – you mean you never wasted your time picturing the characters you’re reading?

Andrew: Oh yeah, Lavender. Don’t you mean Lavender?

Matt: No, Romilda Vane. The one he’s looking at when he says, “I’m the Chosen One.”

Andrew: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, that’s not Lavender, Eric.

Eric: Oh! Oh, right.

Laura: She plays such a minimal role anyway. Like, I never really …

Matt: Well, she sort of…

Laura: …put much thought into what she looked like.

Matt: …poisons Ron, so to speak.

Eric: Oh, I don’t think that’s Romilda Vane.

Laura: Eh.

Matt: You don’t think so?

Eric: I actually – I actually don’t. I remember…

Matt: I could have thought I saw a picture of her…

Andrew: It’s not Lavender.

Matt: I didn’t say Lavender.

Andrew: I know, I’m talking to Eric.

Matt: Oh.

Eric: No.

Matt: That’s not – it’s definitely not Lavender.

Eric: It’s not Lavender, but I don’t think it’s Romilda Vane either. I think that was sort of an offhand, pretty, secure girl for this scene. I don’t think it was actually Romilda Vane, because Romilda Vane shows up at some other point. Not in the trailer. But yeah, I don’t know. I don’t think that’s her. But she’s very pretty.

Andrew: Now, Matt, what do you think Hermione slapping him was?

Matt: I think it was the Marauders Map.

Andrew: I’m looking at that now. I mean, why do you think that? It’s not like…

Matt: Because it’s the shape of it.

Andrew: So? Anyone can fold a paper into thirds and be like, “Here’s my Marauders Map.” I don’t think it is.

Matt: Fine. You know what? Just – fine. You didn’t even ask me, you just wanted to…

Laura: And they would say it just like that too.

Matt: You just wanted to – yeah.

Andrew: I just wanted to anger – say you’re wrong.

Matt: Discredit me in front of all the people listening?

Andrew: Yes, exactly.

Matt: Yeah. Shut up.


Dumbledore’s Character


Andrew: Vol – we also see more of Dumbledore talking in here, and he’s saying “I got to ask too much of you again,” and he still has a different tone for me in this movie. Because we talked about this a lot about this with the first teaser trailer. We were saying how – I was saying how he was – something about Dumbledore. He’s just a little extra spark in his – in the tone of his voice. Does any one else agree with that?

Matt: No.

Andrew: Oh.

Matt: I wasn’t really listening to you.

Laura: No.

Kevin: No, I don’t really…

Eric: Sorry, what, Andrew?

Andrew: I was saying that Volde – or Dumbledore seems to have a little extra spark in his – in his tone when he’s talking. It just – it just feels different from past Potter films.

Matt: Hmm.

Eric: I think Michael Gambon read the book on this one.

Andrew: [laughs] Maybe. Somebody should ask him that come premiere time. Did you read the book? Nope! Goodbye. Hmm?

Micah: He’s different than in past films. And it goes back to what Ben was saying, though. You only really have, what, thirty seconds of him in this trailer? To gauge any sort of acting change from the past couple of films?

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I don’t really know. I’ll have to see him not have one of his moments where he shook Harry or says something about students going to do his homework. But again, that’s not him. He’s just doing what he’s being told to do by the director, so…

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: You can’t really blame Gambon, I guess.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: No, Gambon’s just being Gambon.


Cave Scene


Andrew: What do you think of the exterior for the cave? I mean, that just screams straight out of the book.

Matt: What?

Micah: I think it’s CGI.

Laura: I think it looks fantastic.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: It really does.

Matt: Mhm.

Kevin: Yeah, I think it was [unintelligible].


Theme of Trailer: Everything is Set on Fire


Matt: What was with the whole trailer – I mean, the theme of this whole trailer seems to be “everything is set on fire.”

Andrew: There is a lot of – yeah.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Everything’s fire, this movie.

Matt: [laughs] Everything’s up in flames.

Andrew: Yeah. Just to give urgency. That’s true, there’s, like, three different things in this film…

Matt: You see…

Andrew: Or four.

Matt: You see the Burrow on fire like, what, three times?

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: And then you see, you know, McGonagall casting a lightning storm, and then you see Hagrid’s Hut being set on fire. And then Dumbledore casting the fire around him.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Just fire, fire, fire.


Theory Continues: Trailer Not Ready for Release


Eric: I’ve been watching this lighting scene that you guys say about McGonagall, and actually, I kind of agree with you here on the lightning effects shot. I kind of wonder – and you guys mentioned the Slughorn pulling the memory thing too – I kind of wonder which of these scenes aren’t – I mean, that was sort of a close up on McGonagall’s hand shooting the lightning. I don’t think that was in the movie. I mean, certainly not as sped up and as fast as it goes by. That’s a very – not slow, but a very impacting scene. It’s not – I think the trailer is definitely – they may have modified some of these shots that you guys are saying is a little bit messed up, because that lightning shot – yeah, you’re right. I totally see where you guys are coming from.

Matt: I – well, see, it doesn’t even look like – I mean, the fact that it looks so fake is probably not really what’s going to come out of her wand in the movie. I think they just added that just because they’re not done with the special effects.

Andrew: Well, I think that’s another sign that this – this trailer was not ready to be released yet. It just screams leak. I mean, that – they don’t have the corny titles like they did with that other teaser trailer.

Kevin: And the date.

Andrew: And the date. That’s huge!

Matt: This year. This year, which is in two months.

Andrew: Here’s the other brilliant thing about this.

Eric: They do have…

Kevin: Unless…

Eric: Okay, go ahead.

Kevin: Unless they meant to release it after December.

Matt: Well, that’s what they mean.

Kevin: I mean, it only says “this year,” right? Yeah, so…

Andrew: Well, yeah. It does, but I don’t know.

Kevin: Were you thinking that they had made it prior to…

Andrew: The delay.

Kevin: …the date being moved?

Andrew: Oh, are you saying they’re planning on releasing it this year?

Kevin: Because I would say that…

Andrew: I mean, they were releasing it next year?

Kevin: Yes, after December. Probably January, yes.

Andrew: Yeah, but see, remember…

Kevin: You don’t agree? Because it would be perfect for a Christmas release, this trailer.

Andrew: Remember that…

Eric: I do agree with Kevin here.

Andrew: Remember, though, that when the trailer initially came out in the U.K. – the first trailer initially came out – in the U.K. it said “this year.” When the first trailer came out initially in the U.K., it said “this year.” It didn’t say “November,” it said “this year.” So…

Kevin: Yeah, but it seems as though knowing what Eric knows about the film, and seeing as they replaced a lot of the CG in the film with this trailer…

Andrew: Yeah.

Kevin: It seems as though, you know, it’s been made since that point – you know, since they had those screenings.

Eric: It does kind of seem like a later thing. You’re right.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And the other thing I noticed they had that they didn’t have before, as far as I recognized, was their take on “Hedwig’s Theme” here. Like the special Movie 6 part of “Hedwig’s Theme.” Unless we’ve heard that particular rendition before, I thought it had a little bit more strings this time around, just at the end of the trailer when “Hedwig’s Theme” was playing. I didn’t think that that was a particular piece of music that had been inserted in the film at that time. I think they were using – David Heyman and them had said they were sort of using other things from previous movies to fill it in until they finalized the score, etc. And I think that particular part of “Hedwig’s Theme” that plays in this trailer is either new or more of the recent [unintelligible]. Or maybe they just put it into this trailer. Regardless, I think I’m with Kevin here that this trailer isn’t actually eight months old as much as it would be just more new, but not to be released yet.

Andrew: Yeah. The other brilliant thing about this…

Micah: I actually agree with Kevin.

Andrew: What? Go ahead, Micah.

Micah: When I first saw the trailer, what I initially thought was that it was being released for next year. And that’s what we were to expect it to maybe come out, like he said, around Christmastime or something like that. I didn’t even think that it was an older piece that had been sitting somewhere in WB Studios.

Andrew: Oh, I think it must have been. Because, it just – it doesn’t feel like the effects are finished. And here’s the other brilliant thing about this: this came out today, Sunday. Whenever something leaks online, whether it’s a picture – we’ve never had something as big as a trailer leak before on the weekend – but when it does leak online, WB doesn’t say anything, because they’re all at home. And so that’s why these things always leak on Friday nights or weekends. Like, I don’t know if everyone remembers, but there was a time where a picture – a new Half-Blood Prince picture was coming out every Friday. And it comes out – it was coming – my guess is it was coming out every Friday because WB doesn’t do anything about it when it’s on the weekend. So, we’ll see what happens tomorrow. I have a feeling – do you guys think they’re going to make everyone take it down?


Will WB Make Them Take it Down?


Kevin: No.

Eric: Probably.

Matt: No, probably not.

Andrew: Probably not?

Laura: I don’t know.

Eric: Everyone who’s seen it is going to see it. Or everyone who’s going to see it has seen it.

Andrew: Yeah, but, you know…

Eric: Or people save it. Everybody save it to your computer.

Andrew: Yeah, I’ve already got it saved. It’s already on YouTube. The wonderful UStream folks added a permanent link to it in the chat so people…

Matt: Yeah, that was really cool.

Andrew: …can reference it. That was cool. Thanks to those guys.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: So… [laughs] …I just don’t know what to think about this.

Matt: Hey, does anybody think that the cliffs remind you a little bit of the opening of The Two Towers in Lord of the Rings when you go through the mountains? Because that’s what I thought when I first saw the trailer.

Kevin: Not really.

Matt: You don’t think so?

Kevin: I didn’t – no, I didn’t really…

Matt: When you kind of go up the mountains?

Kevin: …make the connection.

Matt: Oh, okay. [whispers] Damn.

Eric: It’s been years since I’ve seen the teaser for The Two Towers.

Matt: No, it’s the film itself.

Kevin: The opening of the film itself. Yeah.

Eric: Oh, the film itself? Okay.

Kevin: The opening scene of the movie.

Andrew: Yeah. Micah, I have a question for you.

Eric: Kevin, what was your favorite part of this trailer? Oh, yeah, sorry.

Kevin: I actually…

[Eric laughs]


The Field Scene


Kevin: Well, the scene when they’re running through the field towards the burning hut, is that CG?

Eric: Yeah.

Kevin: Because that’s – when you look at the grass actually moving, it’s impressive.

Eric: Oh.

Kevin: I had a hard time telling…

Eric: Yeah, I…

Kevin: …whether it was real or not.

Eric: The – you mean Harry running through the, what, the field of the Burrow?

Kevin: Yeah. Right.

Eric: Yeah, when he’s running through the grass. Yeah. He’s…

Kevin: Is that, like, 35 seconds?

Eric: He’s running through – I think it’s either – yeah, it’s either a cornfield or something. Let me actually take a look at that. I noticed that too, especially in this trailer. In the movie, he actually does it – in the movie, it lasts longer than that. You see him pretty much just running through. And, yeah, it’s really well done. I don’t know if this particular shot is CG or not. I know it was completed when we saw the movie. But it’s really cool, that sequence, and it’s really well shot. So yeah, I do like it, but I’m not sure if it’s CG. I actually – I want to say it isn’t, because that’s just the feel I get from seeing it.

Andrew: I’m kind of afraid…

Micah: Not to change the subjects real fast…

Andrew: Go ahead.

Micah: Go ahead.

Andrew: I just think – real quick – I just think there’s too much emphasis on this new scene that they added. Like, we’ve seen it, and it’s like half the pictures that come out are the attack on the Burrow. With the – what I am I trying to say? With this new trailer, there’s a few more shots from the Burrow. And it’s just annoying to me.

Matt: Why?

Laura: Yeah, they really have…

Eric: It’s like a…

Laura: …sort of been…

Eric: …big beacon of “Look what we did!” which is kind of uncommon.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. “Look! We have a new scene, and Jo approved it, so it’s awesome!”

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Matt: I mean…

Eric: Well, and I think it’s to remember your own words too, Andrew, that WB has released next to nothing. It has been leaked. And so all these images and stuff from the Burrow that we’ve seen, and all these new trailers that have the Burrow scene in it, I think part of your discomfort has to be due to the leaks, because if Warner Bros. – if we only had what Warner Bros. released, we’d have a lot less stuff, but perhaps it wouldn’t be as “Look at this”-y as it seems.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Because we did see all those shots. Like the individual promo pics of them standing in the doorway and looking out into oblivion…

Andrew: Right.

Eric: …and all that.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: It is pretty – it’s just, we’ve had so little actual official stills released and everything.

Matt: Yeah.


Andrew is Obsessed with Leaks


Andrew: Yeah. I’m just – like, you – I can’t – sorry, I keep going back to this, but I’m really obsessed with how this leaked. I love leaks. I just don’t think that – what am I trying to say?

Matt: I don’t know.

Andrew: I just – WB had better keep it online. But I have a really strong feeling that we’re going to get an e-mail first thing tomorrow morning that says, “Take it down.” But – okay, whoever released this, though, I think is just a genius. Because there’s nothing going on right now, and the Harry Potter fans needed something. And Alan Horn, in an interview with – I think it was the LA Times – he even admitted. He’s like, “Yeah, we’re going to have to keep the fans excited. We’re going to have to throw them a few extra bones.” But I just – I have a feeling they’ll take this down. Because it may not be up to WB’s standards, this trailer.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: So.

Eric: So, wait, Kevin. What’s your favorite point of this trailer?

Kevin: I don’t really know. I mean, see, I sort of judge the trailer as a whole. I wouldn’t say there’s a favorite particular scene, just because we’ve never saw a single scene long enough to….

Andrew: Yeah.

Kevin: …say, “Oh, that’s amazing.”

Andrew: Yeah.

Kevin: It would be insulting to try and choose one and then have it turn out to be terrible in the film.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Kevin: Because, of course, they’re going to show you what they consider is the best piece of the scene. So you’re sort of misled.

Eric: The most fitting, yeah.


Quidditch in the Film


Matt: Is anybody excited about seeing Quidditch in this movie now…

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: …that we’ve actually seen it?

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: There’s a quick glimpse.

Matt: Because it looks pretty cool. It looks more up-scale. Like you only saw a second of it, but just they way it looks, it looks like they put more into it.

Andrew: Yeah. Well, I mean they’ve had a couple years now to develop the CG technology for this, so hopefully, you know, with today’s advances in technology, it’s better looking Quidditch than ever.

Eric: You’re not watching sort of a kid’s movie with Quidditch in it, but you’re watching a more teenage movie or adult movie with Quidditch in it, and the whole tone of the movie being – you know, it’s good to have Quidditch back. It really is. And with the new effects and everything, you know, the newest and most up-to-date take on that sport, and it’s good to have a back. It looked great.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: And, you know, with the – the Sorcerer’s Stone and Chamber of Secrets Quidditch was good, but it always bothered me how you could see the blue from the blue screen – or it was green – reflecting off their faces. Wasn’t it really obvious?

[Laura laughs]

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: And I’d love to get that on Blu-Ray, because it would be even more obvious that – yeah.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: So bad. Am I right or am I right?

Matt: You mean when Harry’s sitting on the floor in the grass and then everybody runs in the studio?

Andrew: Exactly. Yeah, exactly. [laughs] Yeah, runs in the studio.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. So hopefully that should be improved. And that’s something they should really hype up with this film, because people like coming to movies to see action like Quidditch.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: You know how every year they’re always hyping up the [with a British accent] “Oh it’s darker than ever. I know I say this year, but it’s our best one yet.”

Matt: Why’d you use – who are you making fun of?

Andrew: It’s basically any Harry Potter actor.

Matt: Oh, okay.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Micah, what other notes do you have from the thing? Or anyone, for that matter? Is there anything that really tickled your funny bone?


Dumbledore’s Hand


Micah: I was going to say, what did you guys think about – and it looked to me like it was messed up – Dumbledore’s hand, when he was working it on the cave wall?

Andrew: Working it on the cave wall? Is that what you said?

Matt: Well, wasn’t he smearing blood on it though? Isn’t that what was kind of awkward?

Eric: Yeah, let me take a look here.

Micah: No, no. His hand looks like is has some sort of deterioration on it.

Matt: Oh.

Eric: Oh yeah, that is his hand that he does. Yeah, that’s an effect. That’s an effect.

Micah: So is that supposed to be his black hand?

Andrew: Yeah, must be.

Laura: Yeah, that’s what I thought.

Eric: Well, you see it better in the beginning of the movie.

Matt: It’s his right or left hand?

Eric: It’s his right hand, which is why, when they’re…

Andrew: Is it?

Eric: …side-along Apparating in this trailer, he’s holding out his left hand.

Matt: Right.

Eric: Yeah, that’s his – that’s his messed up hand.

Kevin: Oh yeah. You can – when he’s making the fire you can sort of see it as well. That’s his right hand as well.


Memories are Painful to Pull Out


Matt: Why do they make it always so painful to pull out a memory for the Pensieve?

Andrew: To make it look more interesting!

Matt: I know, but, I mean, Jim Broadband looks like he’s giving birth or something when he’s pulling out the memory…

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: “Oh my God! Oh!”

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Maybe Slughorn’s multitalented there.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Maybe he can do two things at once. He’s concentrating.

Matt: “I pulled the wrong one!” [laughs]

Andrew: Well, when something’s leaving…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: …your body, no matter what it is, you can’t help but, you know. Or is that just me?

Matt: No.

Andrew: And Jim Broadband.

Eric: It’s just you.

Laura: Wow, Andrew. I think you need to stop.

Andrew: You can’t help but – okay. Maybe too much. TMI.

Laura: Yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Oh, I didn’t even hear what you said and I said it was just you, so if that was disgusting, I take it back.


WB Closes its Doors on the Weekends


Andrew: For anyone just joining us, there is close to 600 people listening right now. It’s 1:30 and we’re talking about the just released, international Harry Potter Half-Blood Prince trailer that leaked. And we’ll be offline quickly and swiftly tomorrow with a statement from WB. This is going to be in the press tomorrow. You guys realize that, right?

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: No.

Andrew: “Trailer leaks, fans react.”

Eric: It’s amazing that we have…

Micah: I don’t see what the big deal is.

Matt: I mean, the fact that they haven’t taken it down from the website yet and it’s been up for, what…

Andrew: Because it’s the weekend. This is the brilliance.

Eric: Oh, come on. They have 24-hour e-mail.

Andrew: No, they don’t. They don’t.

Matt: They close the doors, the entire company.

Andrew: I am telling you, whenever a picture or something leaks, they don’t react until Monday. That’s why this stuff comes out on the weekends, so they don’t take it down.

Eric: But we haven’t seen them react.

Andrew: What?

Matt: But if a major…

Andrew: Hold on.

Matt: …film is leaked, and the trailer is leaked, no one’s going to run the office and…

Andrew: Yeah, they’re all going to be like…

Matt: It’s like, oh my God, this is leaked! Okay, but tomorrow I’m going to tell them.

Kevin: What do you do on the weekends? I mean, I don’t know about you, but I’m not on my work computer…

Andrew: Exactly!

Kevin: …watching what’s going on.

Andrew: They’re not going to drive into work, sit down, and be like, you know…

Kevin: The last thing they’re going to want to look at is stuff involving their trade, because they’ve just spent five days doing that.

Andrew: Five days…

Micah: Don’t you think they have offices open on the weekends? Somewhere Warner Brothers has an office open right now.

Eric: I’m sure…

Matt: This is stupid to think that they don’t right now, have somebody in that office on the weekends, just taking phone calls or something.

Andrew: I am telling you, we will see something about this tomorrow but not today. Guarantee you.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Just based on what has happened.

Micah: Let’s get back to the trailer.

Matt: Yeah, okay. All right.

Andrew: I’m sorry. I’m obsessed with this whole thing.

Micah: I have a question.

Andrew: What?


Draco Scene


Micah: I actually have a couple of questions about this trailer, but the first one was, what is Draco pulling that sheet off of? Is that…

Matt: I think that’s the cabinet. I think it might be the cabinet.

Eric: You got a time stamp for me, Micah?

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Because I was thinking that too.

Micah: You actually have to get it just right, because it’s like a flash scene; it goes really quick.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: What’s the time code?

Micah: I don’t know. It’s right where – maybe a scene…

Matt: Oh, it’s 42 seconds.

Micah: Or at 42 seconds.

Matt: Yeah. It’s so – it’s so Chronicles of Narnia too. “I’m just going to pull this drape very angrily – pull it down.”

Andrew: I don’t – I don’t see it at 42 seconds. At 42 seconds?

Micah: It’s very soon after they show Draco in front of the Room of Requirement saying something about evil.

Matt: It’s so at 42 seconds! You guys just have to look.

Eric: Yeah, it – at first I thought it was Voldemort coming down somewhere, but it is the curtain on the wardrobe that he’s…

Kevin: Oh, I see. Yeah.

Eric: It’s the curtain of the – the thing that has twins.

Micah: Vanishing Cabinet?

Eric: Yeah, thank you.

[Eric and Kevin]

Eric: The Vanishing Cabinet.

Andrew: So yeah, that’s probably the Vanishing Cabinet. Matt’s trying to show it to me. Forget it, it’s okay. I must have a different trailer.

Matt: Yours is different.

Andrew: I think I have the third trailer. Okay, what else? What else?


The Flashbacks


Micah: Were you guys kind of upset with the Voldemort flashbacks? I know none of us were really big on flashbacks…

Andrew: Again? [laughs]

Matt: Well, yeah, this is like their thing.

Laura: Haven’t we done this like three times now?

Andrew: Yeah. Laura…

Eric: It’s because Voldemort’s not in this movie.

Matt: Yeah, but what’s with the snake? The snake coming at you and attacking you. Did you see that?

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Matt: Nagini just turning around and going “Ahh!”

Eric: Goodness!

Andrew: Yeah, there’s the snake from Order of the Phoenix, I think.

Matt: Yeah, it’s the fiery snake, and then right after it the real snake coming out…

Andrew: The real snake.

Matt: I seem to think it might be Harry recollecting what Horcruxes Dumbledore is telling him. Like every time he says it, there’s this little thing all by itself, and then comes Nagini, and then she attacks, and it’s just – or not.

Andrew: One thing I just really – got to me about Order of the Phoenix, and I’ve said it before, is the flashbacks. Laura do they bother you too? Are you concerned?

Laura: Yeah, they – I just remember, I think it was when the Order of the Phoenix trailer came out, and we were like pausing it frame-by-frame and finding all the Goblet of Fire flashbacks…

Andrew: Yeah.

[Eric laughs]

Laura: So it’s like, come on, guys.

Eric: Yeah, there was a scene from the graveyard that was in that one. I – but it’s good because I think it – I think that people know that the flashbacks upset people.

Matt: They didn’t use as much, though, in this one.

Eric: There is not flashbacks in Movie 6. I mean, there is not these – and there’s not – like montages is the other thing I said. Like during Dumbledore’s Army in Movie 5, you know how they had the passage of time through montages?

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: That is done differently in this movie. There aren’t those sort of things with giddy music playing.

Andrew: From newspaper to newspaper and like zooming in and out.

Eric: Yeah, so it’s same director and different sort of techniques employed here. There is some really good – like Kevin mentioned in the cornfield, Harry running through the field, there is some of those really cool shots just to look at, and one of them is when Harry first arrives at the Burrow. There’s a great, in my opinion, what looks like a great shot, but – I won’t say more, but there are some really cool visuals in this movie that don’t necessarily have to do with the special effects.

Andrew: Yeah.


Scene Pays Homage to U.S. Book Cover


Matt: There’s this one clip in the trailer that I thought was really cool, because it was kind of like an homage to the book cover – the U.S. book cover in Half-Blood Prince – is when Ron and Hermione are looking up together. They’re looking up at something, and it looks – it’s almost exactly like the way the drawings of Ron and Hermione are looking up in the back cover.

Laura: Oh, yeah!

Andrew: What?

Matt: You know what I’m talking about, Laura?

Laura: Yeah, you’re right. There’s – on the back of the Half-Blood Prince cover, there’s…

Matt: It’s 39 seconds in the teaser.

Laura: …Ron, Hermione and Ginny. And they’re all looking up.

Matt: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah! It’s almost exactly the same. I didn’t even notice that.

Matt: Yeah, I just paused it, and then it looks right – I just saw it.

Kevin: What’s the time?

Andrew: It’s – see…

Matt: 39 seconds.

Andrew: See, it’s not 39. This frame you’re talking about right?

Matt: No.

Andrew: Oh.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Oh, but – that’s not from the – come on!

Matt: Yeah – no it does!

Andrew: Come on!

Laura: It does look like it.

Matt: I love it how I have a revelation or something, and Andrew always tries to mark it down because he didn’t think of it first.

Andrew: I could go…

Matt: “No, it’s not true! No, you’re stupid.”

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: I could go through the first five movies and show thirty million more times where they’re looking up like that.

Matt: Okay. I expect to see them at the end of the day.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh. Someone do that for me, please, thank you.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Okay, I see what you mean. I see what you mean. They’re just ripping off Twilight now. Robert Pattinson [unintelligible] the apple with his hands. [laughs]

Matt: Don’t bring this up! Don’t. Don’t bring this up at all. I swear.

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: Okay, so what else? Micah or Laura?

Laura: Um…

Andrew: I didn’t really have time to take notes. I was preparing for the show.


Overall, Laura is Appreciative


Laura: I don’t know. I just really appreciate seeing more of the cave.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Seeing the exterior, I was pretty impressed by that. And also seeing Dumbledore’s hand was really great, and just like, as the wall fell away sort of, as he was – as he was touching it. It was exactly as I imagined it from the book.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Or what little we’ve seen of it, so I’m pretty impressed by that.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah. Yeah.


In the Cave


Micah: What about that scene where Harry is firing a spell…

Matt: I was just going to say that! In the cave?

Micah: Yeah. What was that?

Eric: I’m looking now.

Matt: Isn’t that when he says, “Accio” or something? And then one of the Inferi go up inside – you know, arise out of the lake and then go back down?

Eric: Do you have a time stamp?

Matt: [whispers] No, I don’t.

Andrew: Do you have a time stamp?

Micah: I just took notes. I didn’t pay any attention to the time stamp.

Andrew: Oh, yeah. Well, that’s important too. [laughs] But sort of going off what Laura was saying, it’s more clear than ever that, no pun intended, that he’s standing on ice, it seems, when he’s at the…

Eric: Crystals, not ice.

Laura: No, not ice.

Eric: Not ice at all.

Andrew: Okay, crystals.

Laura: They’re crystals.

Eric: It looks more like – it’s crystals. It’s a crystal cave.

Andrew: You’re a crystal cave.

Micah: Aren’t they called – aren’t there specific names for things like that…

Andrew: Kryptonite?

Micah: …in top of caves, or that come up from the bottom?

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: Stalactites and stalagmites…

Laura: Stalagmite.

Eric: The difference is that stalagmite’s got an “m” in it. But, yeah, no. They are different than that. They aren’t – stalactites and stalagmites are made from like deposits…

Kevin: Oh, and the time is 57.

Eric: 50 seconds for what?

Kevin: 57 seconds for Harry firing off that spell.

Eric: Oh, thank you. I’ll take a look at that.

Kevin: And it shows the crystals as well.

Micah: Well, we might as well ask our own expert who’s seen the film so he can tell us exactly what…

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: …I’m asking about.

Matt: Eric? At a minute and like nine seconds into the trailer, right before you see the Harry Potter logo, you see Harry look shocked or something. Is that when he witnesses Dumbledore dying?

Eric: Hang on. Okay, first…

Matt: Oh, it’s a minute and ten seconds.

Eric: Harry throwing the – the 57 seconds – Harry throwing the spell.

Matt: No, no, no, no. At a minute and ten – oh sorry. Are you talking about something else?

Eric: I’m talking about the first thing that you mentioned. Yeah, that is him casting – I believe it’s lumos, actually, like he’s trying to see what’s over there. Or it’s accio. But he is – I’m pretty sure it’s one of those two. But yeah, that scene casting a spell is very well done too, because you see, in that shot that they show part of here, you see how deep the cave is, which is a really cool effect. Now, what is it? 1:10?

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: Oh. That is around that scene that you guessed.

Matt: That I guessed? Oh geez. We don’t want to spoil people.

Eric: That’s around that scene.


Bellatrix Dancing


Andrew: Hey, I just found something I thought was really cool. At a minute three. My time codes are messed up, but when they’re – when the fire’s on Hagrid’s hut, Bellatrix is like dancing up and down.

Matt: Yeah. Raising her arms up, conjuring it.

Laura: You know what? It kind of reminded me of Twilight a little bit.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: [gasps] Don’t bring it up!

Laura: I hate to bring that in, but…

Andrew: Why? Why does it remind you of it?

Laura: Wasn’t there that one part where they had the vampires, and they were sort of dancing around something that was on fire?

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Laura: I remember a clip and I was like, “Oh my God. Why? Why?”

Andrew: That’s just really cool, because Bellatrix is just crazy like that. And that reminds me of in Order of the Phoenix when she’s running through the corridor of the Ministry of Magic just going, “I killed Sirius,” or whatever.

Matt: Mhm.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: That’s just her craziness right there shining through again.

Eric: She is dancing up and down.

Andrew: I can’t wait to see that.

Matt: It’s going to be awesome seeing Bellatrix act all crazy with fire in her eyes.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: There was another shot of her in this trailer, too, though. She looked like she was fighting on the grounds of Hogwarts.

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: In an attack…

Matt: I think she was in the Great Hall, I think.

Andrew: Where was that? What’s the time code?

Eric: It looks like it’s in the Great Hall.

Matt: Well, there’s a photo of her doing that, too.

Andrew: Oh, I see that. Yeah, that’s definitely the Great Hall.

Matt: Why is she in the Great Hall?

Eric: But her jumping up and down in front of Hagrid’s hut is hilarious.

Matt: Well, they have a photo of her on top of a table like shouting and laughing, too.

Andrew: Mhm.

Matt: So maybe she’s fighting somebody in the Great Hall. I mean, there is a scene in the book. It’s kind of a big scene where she is fighting.

Andrew: Mhm.

Matt: Of course, apparently, they’re cutting it.


Back to the Burrow Scene


Andrew: Is like the only action at the Burrow? Because it’s just all this Burrow stuff. It’s like Burrow, Burrow, Burrow.

Eric: No, the Burrow’s not the only scene of action.

Matt: There is snogging.

Eric: The Burrow, if anything – to be honest, the Burrow is an interesting scene, but it’s not one of the biggest scenes in the movie. I mean, it’s not – as far as the interesting things in the movie, the Burrow scene is not sort of what they put all their money into. It’s very interesting that they constructed the scene. It serves several different purposes, but, yeah, it’s not like the big fight scene or anything like that.

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Draco/Harry Train Scene


Matt: Mhm. You know, I’ve been noticing – is it just me or when Draco throws the Invisible Cloak over Harry, the Cloak seems a lot more lighter than that fifty pound cloak that he’s had in the previous films.

Eric: Yeah.

Matt: Because it looks more silhouette and satin.

Eric: And part of that is, too, because the thing’s in high speed, too, but…

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: …that is a little bit high speed. But I like that they had that, because the Draco – actually, the Draco/Harry train scene is one of the completely completed scenes as far as I could tell from the movie when I was watching it, and that’s just a great scene with Harry and Draco on the train. I remember reading that and thinking it was going to be so great. And in the movie it is.

Matt: Well, it was one of the first scenes that they shot. I mean, we got that as a teaser back in November of last year, I think it was.

Eric: Aha.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah. It went with the Order of the Phoenix extra behind the scenes of the Half-Blood Prince stuff. It was like Quidditch and this scene right here.

Eric: Oh yeah. I got that third disc because Mikey B. told me where to get it, and I got it.

Matt: Mhm. At Target. Always get your DVDs at Target.

Eric: At Target, yeah.

Matt: Right, Laura?

Laura: Yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Go ahead, Micah.


Snape and Greyback Scenes Combined?


Micah: Well, one of the other things I had down here was it seems like they combined two scenes when Harry says, “Fight back, you coward.”

Matt: Uh-huh.

Micah: It looks like the first part of the scene he’s chasing after, what I assume, would be Snape and Draco in a forest area, but then it immediately switches over to the Burrow…

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: …when it looks like Ginny’s being attacked by Greyback. And the way that they did it, it looks like the phrase comes out of his mouth during the Burrow scene as opposed to when he’s chasing…

Eric: Oh yeah.

Micah: …Snape.

Eric: That’s incredible notes. No. Yeah, that’s incredible notes, and they did montage that just in this trailer.

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: They combined it, because they’re trying to show so many things at once. When he says, “Fight back, you coward,” that is from the end of the movie when he’s chasing Snape. It’s not from the Burrow scene when he’s defending Ginny. That’s – they are two separate scenes. They’re not – it doesn’t happen at the same time. But it looks like it does, because…

Micah: Does he say it twice, or is it just the way that they did it?

Eric: No, he doesn’t say it twice. Just the way they did it, they’ve taken – they show you the Burrow scene – I’m taking a look here. They show the wardrobe going up in flames, Snape going through the Great Hall, Harry running down the hill saying, “Fight back, you coward,” from the end of the film, and then they immediately show at one minute and five seconds – it’s about right after the minute – this whole thing happens. They show him running through the field casting a spell to protect Ginny against Fenrir Greyback, I believe that is, but I’m not sure. I’m not sure about that.

Matt: Mhm.

Micah: You saw the film.

Eric: I know.

[Matt laughs]

Eric: But I…

Micah: [laughs] How are you not sure?

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Eric: They make it clear in the movie, but I’m – where I have it paused at the moment isn’t lit up at all.


Greyback


Micah: Well, I was going to ask you about him too, because he didn’t really look like how I pictured Fenrir Greyback.

Eric: The actor, or do you mean like a promo pic that you saw?

Micah: No, in this trailer.

Andrew: In this trailer, yeah.

Eric: Oh, if that is him, or…

Andrew: No that’s him.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Okay.

Andrew: He’s just saying, it doesn’t look like how he pictured, right? I thought he looked better in the first trailer, but maybe it’s just the shot, because we’re kind of far away from him in this trailer. Isn’t that right, Micah?

Eric: And it’s head on, so you don’t see his hair or anything like that.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: I can’t see his hair. It could be the shot.


Time of Day for Cave Scene


Matt: Hey, is it me – I don’t remember this – what time of the day it happened, but wasn’t the cave scene a little darker when they – outside, wasn’t it a little later in the day, or was it still daylight outside?

Eric: No, in the book it was – it was sunset, dusk. Wait, dusk?

Matt: Yeah, because it seems like it’s one in the afternoon when we see the clip.

Eric: This is interesting because in the – in the – [laughs] You forgot to account for Daylight Savings Time.

Matt: Oh, that’s right, yeah. Seven hours forward and six hours back, or something like that, right?

Eric: Yeah. Actually, that’s interesting. This is – you know what? You guys are totally right here. This is a day shot – daytime shot of the cave. In the movie, the shot – hang on, let me watch this. Let me watch the crawling towards the – wow! There is a…

[Andrew laugh]

Eric: It’s definitely darker in the movie.

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: It’s darker in there.

Matt: You think they just added it just to put an effect on it to make it look night outside?

Eric: This seems like – hang on. Yeah, this seems like a daytime shot, but when they go, it is dusk when they are heading there at night, so that’s really interesting, because it looks like they did this shot just for the trailer or…

Matt: Mhm.

Eric: Oh wait! Wait, I could be wrong. There is a daytime shot of the cave, but…

Andrew: Yeah, duh.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Thanks to Kristen for the tip! LOL.

Eric: Well, yeah, but regardless, when they do go to the cave…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: When Dumbledore and Harry do go to the cave, it’s at night.

Andrew: I see.


Back to the Lightning Bolt


Matt: Oh, nevermind on that thing I said about McGonagall’s lightning thing was just an add in. It’s actually in the movie. I forgot.

Micah: Can I…

Matt: Because you can see the lightning going in the sky in the previous shot.

Micah: I know I’m a really bad trailer watcher, obviously… [laughs] …but I thought it was Hagrid that was doing that.

Matt: You know, I thought it at first, and then I slowly…

Eric: Looks like it.

Matt: …looked at it…

Andrew: Doing what?

Matt: …frame-by-frame.

Andrew: Doing what? The lightning bolt?

Matt: The lightning bolt, yeah.

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Matt: Yeah, it’s on 16 seconds.

Eric: You guys didn’t really talk about that with the shot being weird, because, like…

Micah: Is that in the movie?

Eric: No. It’s – I mean, what do you mean?

Matt: The lightning going in the sky from McGonagall?

Andrew: What is she doing there? Is she casting a spell on the clouds over the Great Hall or something?

Eric: No. Yeah, I don’t think that scene is in the movie. Just the way the camera…

Andrew: Oh, that’s good. I’m glad they played it in the trailer.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Eric: It’s something – I mean, honestly, that particular shot, I thought it was zoomed in. I thought it was something else. It’s just messed up, the way it looks a little bit different. But no, that’s not anything I can think of.

Andrew: Maybe you blinked while it happened in the movie, because it is pretty quick.

Eric: Dude, that scene in the movie where they’re all together on the grounds of Hogwarts is, like, five minutes long; I didn’t blink.

Matt: Mhm. Maybe she was just destroying the Death Mark in the sky.

Andrew: Dark Mark?

Matt: Yeah, that’s what I said. Did I say Death Mark? Yeah, Dark Mark, sorry.

Andrew: Yeah. So, what else, guys? What else?

Matt: Well, I mean…

Andrew: We’re going to pick this apart until there’s nothing…

Eric: Micah had a ton of notes. That was good.

Andrew: Oh, Micah, do you still have more, or what?

Micah: No. I mean, I think we really hit the main questions that I had and talked about some of the stuff that I had written down, so…


That Dumbledore Quote


Matt: That quote that Dumbledore keeps saying, “I must ask too much of you, Harry.”

Andrew: Yeah, what’s up with that? I mean…

Matt: I don’t know. “I must ask to much of you, Harry. I need you to go to Lens Crafters and get my glasses, because I seem to have forgotten them.”

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: “My half-moon spectacles need new lenses.”

Laura: But they always do that with these movies.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: They always do that. They always pick one…

Eric: [as Dumbledore] “Eternal glory!”

Laura: …phrase.

Matt: [as Harry] “But I am the Chosen One.”

Laura: And they repeat it over and over again.

Eric: [as Dumbledore] “Incontrovertible.” “Eternal glory!”

Andrew: I kind of wish he was around in Movie 7, just so he could be like, “Seriously, this time I’m going to ask way too much of you, but just bear with me.”

[Eric laughs]

Matt: “I’m seriously going to tell you everything, I swear. It’s the last time I’m going to talk to you.”


Dumbledore’s Place in Movie 7: Part I and II


Eric: Just from, like, all the stuff that they have to show about Dumbledore in Movie 7, it’s going to be pretty cool. Like, I mean, Michael Gambon, it’s not just they’re going to cast him back for one scene. I’m pretty sure that they’ll show lots of Michael Gambon in Movie 7. Don’t you guys think? I mean…

Matt: Mhm.

Eric: …with all the back story with Dumbledore being the overlying theme, don’t you think they’ll show a few more scenes than just the Kings Cross? I think Michael Gambon will appear plenty.

Micah: They have so much they need to fit in that I don’t know if there’s going to be time for flashbacks.

Eric: They have two movies.

Matt: Mhm.

Micah: Yeah, but they still have a lot to fit in those two movies. That’s my point.

Matt: They do, actually.

Eric: Yep.

Matt: It’s going to be too much. So what do you guys think of his haircut? [laughs]

Laura: [laughs] Really, Matt?

Matt: Sorry, I was trying to change the subject.

Micah: Who are we talking about even?

Matt: Oh, I was talking about Harry.

Micah: Oh.


The Burrow’s Location


Matt: Does it seem just a little bit weird that the Burrow – has it changed its location at all from Movie 2 that we’ve seen?

Laura: Yeah, it is different. Or at least the scenery around it is different.

Matt: Like the aerial shot of the Burrow up in flames. Like how…

Laura: Because I don’t remember it being in the middle of a cornfield. [laughs]

Micah: [laughs] Yeah.

Andrew: I didn’t either.

Matt: How are they going to make it – are they going to show them fixing the Burrow at the end of the movie or something, like in Batman Begins? Because they go to the Burrow…

Laura: No. The Weasleys are homeless now, Matt.

Matt: Huh?

Laura: The Weasleys are homeless now. It’s gone.

Matt: All right. Yeah, the Weasleys are homeless. Do they have a wizard Y.M.C.A.?

Laura: Oh my God.

Eric: I think the Burrow was always in a fielded area, just perhaps not with – like, I think this is…

Matt: Mhm.

Eric: …a different side of the house, perhaps, because they’ve got the…

Laura: But the whole thing is surrounded.

Eric: But it looks like the greenhouse…

Micah: Well, wasn’t the point so that it could allow for the Death Eaters to sneak up on it? Isn’t that why they created more of that cornfield-like surrounding?

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, I think so.


Trailer Created by Pyros


Matt: I’m just so ticked off they burnt the house.

Micah: Man, this trailer is like a pyro’s…

Laura: Yeah. And remember…

Matt: I know, seriously. Someone really liked fire during this trailer.

Micah: Yeah.

Matt: Someone had a lighter or something with them. “Ooh, fire. Ooh, do we have any more fire scenes? I just want to add just a couple more. Just a couple more. Because the fire looks so good.”

Andrew: There will [makes swooshing sound] be [makes swooshing sound] fire [makes swooshing sound]!

Matt: Fire!

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: That’s Laura’s joke. I just stole it from her.

Laura: Aw, thanks for crediting me.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: No, I was…

Eric: I think the code name for this show was Incendio.

Andrew: What, Laura?


Back to the Burrow


Laura: Right. I was going to say, in regards to the change in scenery around the Burrow, this isn’t the first time they’ve done this. I mean, remember they moved Hagrid’s hut and completely changed how that looked between the second and third film.

Andrew: Mhm. We asked them that at the…

Kevin: It’s because they can’t agree on it.

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: The third and fourth and fourth and fifth.

Kevin: We tried it your way. Now let’s put the Burrow in a field.

Andrew: Yeah. It’s like they draw out of a hat each time. We asked them…

Eric: I think it’s recognizable though.

Andrew: We asked them…

Laura: It looks like Kansas.

Andrew: [laughs] We asked them at the Order of the Phoenix premiere why they changed it, and I think it was David Heyman who gave us an answer, but now I’m forgetting what it was. [laughs]

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: It was something about they just…

Laura: It was probably B.S.

Andrew: It’s just one of those things, I think, with filming locations and what kind of filming locations they’re working with, with that film in particular.

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: The only thing that would make sense, though, would be that they moved it because – at least in Prisoner of Azkaban – you had to have a way that they could get back to the hut through time without sort of really running into each other or anybody else.

Andrew: Yeah. So it depends on some of the film. Right?

Micah: You know what I mean?

Andrew: Yeah, totally.

Micah: Because if they had left it where it was, it would seem almost impossible that they wouldn’t run into anybody else going across that courtyard.

Andrew: That’s very good point.

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, because it was like a straight, flat-grounded courtyard with no overgrowth or anything, and…

Micah: Right.

Eric: I mean, you guys brought up the point, too, that, yeah, as of the third movie there was a lot of – a lot more terrain, actually, involved in the whole thing, which made a lot of sense and also complemented some of the filming locations they had for…

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Mhm.

Eric: …all the different, you know – Hagrid’s hut was on a hill in Glencoe, or whatever. And they had to show the trio walking down the steps as part of the sequence of getting there…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …as opposed to just walking, you know, through a tunnel.

Andrew: Wouldn’t it be funny if, in Movie 7, Parts I and II had different locations for Hagrid’s hut? [laughs]

Eric: Sure. That’d be funny.

Andrew: But yeah, Micah, I think you bring up a good point. And actually, the location in Prisoner of Azkaban kind of made it even scarier, that it was so open. Because they were like, “Oh my God. Somebody must see them.”

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: That was just my humble opinion.

Matt: Yeah. Mhm. Okay, yeah.

Andrew: So. Should we start taking calls now? Because we’re fifty minutes in, we’re here live.

Matt: Yeah!

Andrew: I want to go to Disney today…

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: …and see the new High School Musical parade. So…

Laura: Oh my God. You are a tool.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Whoa! Hey!

[Micah laughs]

Matt: Yes. I love you, Laura.

Andrew: Whoa. That’s mean. Let’s give everyone the number. The number should be working, although surprisingly, I haven’t seen any phone calls. We want your questions from, you know, relating to the Half-Blood Prince trailer. If there’s anything you saw in it. We’ll take questions for a few minutes and then we’ll wrap things up for today. Let’s take the first call now from – oh. Or not. And that’s what happens when you hang up as soon as – hold on. There we go. Getting a call now. See, this is what happens. I should’ve just said – oh, and there goes Skype. So, Matt, why don’t you do a dance for us while I re-launch Skype?

Matt: All right. [singing] High School Musical sucks, High School Musical sucks. How’s that?

Andrew: That’s good.

Matt: Okay. All right, so – wait. What happened? Why is it only us?

Andrew: Skype crashed.

Matt: Oh. Skype crashed. Oh, beautiful Skype. I love you, Skype.


Call 1: Dumbledore’s Hand


Andrew: It’s coming back up now. Skype should really – let’s take a call now. Oh, did they go away? Skype really needs to come up with a good podcasting program. Hello, John.

Matt: John?

Caller: Yeah?

Andrew: John Rogan. Hi, you’re on MuggleCast Live. What’s up?

Caller: Oh.

Andrew: How about that?

Caller: Nothing.

Matt: Yeah.

Caller: How are you? [laughs]

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: I’m good, how are you? Were you expecting us to answer your call?

Caller: No.

Andrew: Okay. [laughs]

Caller: No, this is a little – a little weird.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Matt: You got a question or something, John?

Caller: [laughs] Not really. I always get mad at people when they call in and they don’t have a question, but…

Andrew: Oh.

Caller: …I called in, and I don’t really have a question.

Matt: Well…

Andrew: Karma. It’s something, isn’t it?

Matt: …what do you think about the trailer?

Andrew: Yeah, what are your thoughts? As a fan? As a fan? What are your thoughts?

Caller: You know, I thought it was pretty nice. You know, everything looked pretty cool, like the cave. I really liked that, except for Dumbledore’s hand…

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: …is kind of weird.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah, the hand is kind of weird. It’s kind of black.

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: Yeah, it wasn’t how I pictured it.

Andrew: No, most definitely not.

Caller: I kind of pictured it as a Dumbledore hand.

Andrew: Mhm.

Matt: Mhm.

Caller: Or, not as a Dumbledore hand, as a – like a Dementor hand.

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: Black like that.

Matt: Oh, like skeletal?

Eric: Ooh, that’s really necrosed.

Andrew: Maybe it was for Halloween when they planned on this coming out for November.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh, owned. I need to think – we need to do something on MuggleNet on the day it was supposed to come out. Like, sort of like a…

Eric: Yeah, what, advertise Twilight?

Andrew: …a funeral in a ways. Huh? No, no, no. No.

Laura: Yeah, that sounds like a really good idea. Let’s do it.

Andrew: [laughs] Advertise Twilight? No. No, just sort of like a – I don’t know, something clever, like a – not a funeral, but – I don’t know. It should just be “Watch an HP Movie Day,” or something like that.

Matt: Yeah.

[Eric laughs]

Laura: Or we should put up a fake news story saying the entire film has leaked.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Matt: Well, now it’s – now we can’t.

Eric: That would be – yeah. Are we hurting or helping the fandom if we do that?

Matt: Mmm.

Andrew: Mmm.

Matt: Let’s just make a spoof.

Andrew: Saddening.

Matt: Let’s make a spoof video of the movie.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Let’s just all fly out to England and just make one.

Andrew: Okay. Cool. All right, well, John, thank you for calling. We have lots of people calling in, so we’re going to get to some other questions.

Caller: Can I ask another question?

Andrew and Matt: Sure.

Caller: Are you going to have any other MuggleCasters on tonight?

Andrew: No…

Matt: No.

Andrew: …I’m afraid. No. Who are you looking for?

Caller: I don’t know. Maybe Jamie, maybe Ben.

Andrew: Jamie or Ben. Hmm.

Matt: Who is Jamie and Ben?

Andrew: Well, we can try giving them a call in a little bit, I guess. Ben was actually on MuggleCast Episode 160 that we recorded last weekend. However…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: …we are having audio problems with one of the audio files right now, and we’re anxiously awaiting receiving that audio file. It wasn’t Ben’s fault. He was actually here in the MuggleCast studio with me, and it was fun. So we’ll have that episode out eventually, but yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Caller: Okay, and one more thing…

Andrew: Okay.

Caller: …if it’s okay.

Andrew: Yeah, go ahead.

Caller: Do you need – are you going to be using – need transcribers for Imprint?

Andrew: Maybe, but you know what? E-mail us and we’ll let you know.

Matt: Yeah. We don’t really know yet.

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: All right.

Andrew: All right. Thank you, John.

Caller: All right, thank you for taking my call.

Andrew: No problem. Goodbye.

Matt: Bye.


Call 2: Scene at End of Trailer


Andrew: There’s John, who had some questions about Imprint and several other things. We’re taking a call now from Sylvie. Hello, Sylvie.

Andrew and Matt: Sylvie?

Andrew: Am I pronouncing your name right?

Caller: Yup. I was just wondering what you guys thought about the scene at the end. I don’t know if you talked about it right now, because I just joined a while ago.

Andrew: Mhm.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: What about it? Its comicalness?

Caller: Well, yeah. And what the significance of that at the end was.

Andrew: I just think it’s – you know, in trailers, they like to end on funny moments.

Matt: Yeah. I mean, they definitely need to end on a lighter note, because everything was on fire and people were dying and jumping…

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Matt: I think it was…

Andrew: That’s true. [laughs]

Matt: Just – they wanted the audience to know – well, you know, there is some lightheartedness in this movie. Not everybody’s going to be on the verge of death the entire time.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Caller: Yeah, because then it would be really depressing.

Andrew: Laura?

Laura: I was going to say, this is really the first time we’ve seen any evidence of the humor they keep going on about. Every interview, they’re like, “Oh, this one’s…”

Andrew: Oh, yeah. [laughs]

Laura: “…a lot more calming.”

Laura: And it’s like, really?

Andrew: Fire, fire.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Andrew: That’s true.

Kevin: So they showed us the only scene that had humor.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s the one scene.

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: The one scene that has humor in it.

Andrew: I’ve got to say that…

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: The one scene you’re allowed to laugh at.

Andrew: …that humor – that type of humor was – I don’t think we’ve really seen that before…

Matt: We haven’t.

Andrew: …in a Harry Potter film.

Matt: Well, like…

Andrew: It’s cocky Harry, essentially. [laughs]

Matt: Well, like Eric said, there’s a lot more slapstick, and there hasn’t been slapstick, really, in the Harry Potter films as much.

Eric: There’s been slapstick, but it hasn’t been funny. Like Snape whacking…

Matt: Yeah, hitting – yeah, you’re right.

Eric: …Harry and Ron with it. Like, what was that?

Andrew: That was funny.

Eric: I think…

Matt: Well, that was the first one that we’ve seen, though. I mean, initial…

Eric: Yeah.

Matt: …definition of slapstick, and that was from David Yates, too.

Eric: No, that was not – that was Movie 4. Wasn’t it? Goblet of Fire

Matt: No.

Eric: …where he slapped his…

Laura: Yeah, it was.

Matt: Oh, Goblet where he slapped him, but he did it in Order of the Phoenix, too.

Andrew: Hmm. I don’t think so.

Matt: He slapped Ron in the head.

Laura: Yeah. He did.

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, see, I don’t think this whole thing with Harry is cocky, though. Like him saying, “Well, I am the Chosen One.”

Andrew: “I am the Chosen One.”

Eric: I just thought it was funny.

Matt: He’s a guy!

Andrew: It’s cocky funny.

Matt: He’s getting attention from girls.

Andrew: It’s like when I say, “I’m Toots.” Or, “I’m the best host.” It’s true.

[Eric laughs]

Matt: That’s cocky.

Andrew: No.

Matt: That’s bigheadedness.

Andrew: But it’s true. No. Whatever. Okay.

Matt: That’s delusion.

Caller: Just before I go, can I make a shout out to my friend Nikki, whose birthday is today?

Andrew: Aw, Happy Birthday, Nikki.

Matt: Happy Birthday, Nikki.

Caller: Thanks.

Andrew: We have a lot of birthdays today.

Caller: Yeah, she’s been saying that it was her birthday present from Warner Bros., this trailer.

Matt: Aw, that’s so sweet.

Andrew: Aw, that’s so – well, somebody in Warner Bros. [laughs] Not everyone’s happy with us.

Matt: [laughs] I don’t think it was Warner Bros.

Andrew: Yeah. But all right. Thank you, Sylvie.

Caller: Okay, bye!

Andrew: Happy Birthday to her. You know, it’s my sister’s birthday as well. And I kind of wanted to call her here on the show, but…

Matt: Do it.


Call 3: Movie 5 Scene Used in Trailer


Andrew: Do it? No, maybe later. Noah, you’re on MuggleCast Live. What’s up?

Matt: Noah?

Andrew: Noah.

Caller: Am I on?

Andrew: Yeah, you’re on.

Caller: Oh! That’s weird. I didn’t expect to be on. Cool.

Andrew: There you go, man. What’s going on?

Caller: Oh, nothing much. I just noticed in second 42 of the trailer that they just basically have the fire snake again from the Ministry of Magic scene from Movie 5.

Andrew: Yeah, we were talking about that a little earlier. There’s a lot of – can you mute your feed? We’re getting a lot of feedback.

Caller: Okay, sorry about that. The show actually cut out, so…

Andrew: Oh, okay. I had to let him go because the feedback’s killing me. Yeah, we were saying earlier that they’re using some scenes from the previous movie, which is also what they did in Order of the Phoenix.

Matt: Uh-huh.

Andrew: So.

Matt: Mmm. Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: I have to say, though, there’s something about these repeated – like, do you have any ideas why they do that?

Matt: I think it’s basically – I want to say, I think it’s just filler. I mean…

Andrew: Because everything’s not completed?

Matt: …it’s a snake on fire. I mean, they had enough fire scenes in the trailer, they just probably thought “Well, in the last movie we had some fire, so let’s just add it in.”


Call 4: …is from South Africa


Andrew: Yeah. [sighs] Lauren, you’re on MuggleCast Live. Hello.

Caller: Hello?

Andrew: Hi, how are you?

Matt: Hi!

Caller: Hi! Oh wow. I got through.

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: That’s weird.

[Andrew and Caller laugh]

Caller: Hi. This is all the way from South Africa, so hi.

Andrew: South Africa? Hello!

Caller: Yes, hi.

Matt: Geez. Is it daytime?

Caller: It is now 11:00 at night, and I am studying.

Andrew: Oh wow. Nice. So, what questions do you have?

Caller: Well, I’ve only seen the trailer once because I’m running out of bandwidth, because we have very limited bandwidth down here, so… [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. It sucks living outside of the U.S., doesn’t it?

Caller: So, my question was – yeah, there’s a lot of fire. It’s weird.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: And I was just listening to Imprint like half an hour ago, and I was like, “Oh wait! MuggleCast is on, so I’ve got to check what they’re talking about.”

Matt: Yeah, yeah, yeah, MuggleCast.

Caller: So I’ve missed most of it.

Andrew: Yeah. Do you have any other questions pertaining to the trailer?

Caller: Questions about the trailer? Hmm, I don’t know. I missed most of your chat, so I can’t really say anything. Otherwise I’ll just sound stupid, right?

Andrew: Oh, no.

Matt: Oh, no.

Andrew: No, no. We love all our listeners. But hey, let me let you go, because there’s other people calling and I think they have some questions.

Caller: Cool.

Andrew: Thank you.

Caller: Thanks for taking my call.

Eric: Nice talking to you!

Caller: Okay. Goodbye!

Andrew: Bye. There’s Lauren from South Africa. Time for a PSA, guys: if you’re going to call, please call in with a question.

Matt: Yeah, please.

Andrew: A question about the film.

Eric: And mute your stream.


Call 5: Comedy vs. Seriousness in Movie 6


Andrew: And mute your stream, for God’s sakes. Terrance, you’re on MuggleCast Live. Hello!

Caller: Hey, what’s going on, guys?

Andrew: What’s going?

Matt: Hey.

Andrew: This is Terrance from Hogwarts Radio…

Matt: Oh! Terrance.

Andrew: …a popular Harry Potter podcast.

Caller: [laughs] Thanks.

Eric: Terrance! How’s it going, buddy?

Caller: Thanks for plugging us, Andrew.

Andrew: No problem. [laughs]

Caller: Thanks for taking my call, guys. I just was like, wow, and I didn’t expect you guys to do that. But anyway, didn’t call in with a question, really, but I called in just for couple of comments. I’ve been listening to the show. Great job, by the way.

Andrew: Thank you.

Caller: But you guys were saying something about the slapstick humor. We were originally told that this movie would be more comedic than serious, is that correct?

Andrew: Well, they were sort of like, “it’s the sex, drugs, and rock n’ roll of Harry Potter.”

Matt: They did say there was going to be more slapstick in the film, but I don’t think they said it was more slapstick than seriousness. Because I think they said there was too much seriousness in it, so they added more slapstick.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: I think that’s what…

Caller: Yeah, because the two trailers that have come out so far, they’ve been – you know – they’ve had that darker, deeper tone.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Mhm. Well, it’s a darker, deeper story.

Caller: Of course.

[Matt laughs]

Caller: And even the fire – I mean, the fire – the intensity. I mean, come on. It’s…

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: …a really dark film.

Andrew: I think – maybe with the next real trailer, they’ll put emphasis on the funny. Because I think they try to balance different themes with each trailer, and it’s probably hard to mix it all.

Matt: Yeah, this one’s fire. The theme is fire in this trailer.

Eric: [laughs] Well, the last one was the…

Andrew: And the first one was memories.

Eric: …young Tom Riddle.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah, the memories. So there’s a certain theme to all these, I think, and I think with TV spots especially, they like to emphasize the funny.

Matt: Mhm.

Eric: Mmm.

Matt: Yeah. Well, TV spots…

Eric: Yeah, I’m just glad…

Matt: Oh, I’m sorry.

Eric: Yeah. I’m glad they didn’t come out with the funny relationship stuff first, because that was my biggest fear, was that they were only going to focus on teenage Harry Potter with hormones, this and that, in this movie.

Matt: Well, that’s what they did…

Eric: Which is originally what I thought they were going to do.

Matt: Well, they did that with Order of the Phoenix and the Cho kiss with Harry. I mean, they advertised the crap out of that. The whole, “Love is in the air, Harry and – Harry gets love, a kiss.”

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: You know, I felt like that end scene of the trailer was almost like a moment where the director is saying to the parents watching, “It’s okay for your children to go see this movie.” Because fire, fire, fire, fire, destruction, fire, people…

Matt: Fire, fire, fire, slap in the face.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: …shooting each other with spells. “Oh, there’s humor, don’t worry, your kids can go see this.”

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Yeah, I still think it’s – I would limit the age to thirteen. I would say children under thirteen might be – I’d be worried about seeing this movie…

Andrew: Really?

Eric: …to be perfectly honest. Yeah, to be perfectly honest. That’s what PG-13 is supposed to mean anyway!

Andrew: [laughs] But who follows that these days?

Laura: Yeah, but I feel like someone says that about every single one of these movies, and I feel like with every single one of them it’s not true.

Eric: Well, like Chamber of Secrets being, what, PG for scary monsters, or whatever, being Aragog the spider, or what do you mean?

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Well, just like in general, I always read these reviews where it’s like, “I wouldn’t suggest taking anyone under the age of thirteen,” and it’s like, come on, guys. Please.

Eric: Yeah, but this is me saying it, Laura. The film – the film is morbid.

Laura: Yeah, but no. No, I don’t think it’s – I mean, clearly it’s dark…

Matt: Well, with the spiders, people have phobias about that. They had to say about scary monsters because a lot of people are scared of spiders.

Eric: Well, I know people who say the Basilisk scene really creeps their kids out, too.

Andrew: Yeah, and I’ll always remember – I don’t know why I remember this, but when I was – when I remember telling my mom when I was like twelve, about the Chamber of Secrets, and I was like, [funny nasal voice] “I don’t know if Ryan will be able to go to this one, because there’s a Basilisk. And the knife goes through his head. And I’m not sure if Ryan will really like this. Might be scary.”

[Everyone laughs]

Caller: Also the fang. Also, the fang goes through Harry’s arm.

Andrew: Yeah. It was pretty brutal.

[Laura laughs]

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: WB must have paid them to give it a – no, I’m just kidding. That’s probably the wrong thing to say [laughs].

Eric: Certain things too. Even Voldemort on the back of Quirrell’s head creeps people out. I know it’s kind of creepy still for me to watch. It’s really above and beyond creepy compared to the rest of the movie.

Matt: Well, each film has its own creepiness.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, but this movie – the other thing in the trailer that I just thought of is the Side-Along Apparition, which is – again, this scene in this trailer, everything’s sped up a little bit – but if you look carefully when Harry grabs Dumbledore’s hand and they Side-Along Apparate, there’s this twisting sort of thing…

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: It actually – it looks awesome, and the effect in the movie is – I was so happy with it when I saw it, because it conveys in a split second almost everything – almost perfectly what the book was writing about, in that…

Matt: It does look like a siphoning, or like someone takes a straw and just sucking them all up.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: It was really – it was really cool.

Andrew: Mmm.

Eric: It was really cool.

Caller: Do you guys think Dumbledore looks more tired in this film than he does in the other ones?

Matt: Well, he’s dying. I mean…

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: [singing] Knock, knock, knockin’ on Heaven’s door! [makes guitar sounds] I don’t know. I think – again, I just think he has a little extra spring in his step when it comes to his voice.

Matt: But also in the book, he does seem more frail. It does say that. It does say that Harry notices that Dumbledore is a lot more frail.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: I’m glad Gambon toned it down, too. That’s why I said I think he read the book on this one. Because he’s really – a little bit more personable, actually. The whole movie around, he’s getting along with other people and stuff, and that’s just – that’s really interesting, you know. It’s not just start-of-term announcements, where he relates to other people. He’s actually sort of even relating to Slughorn in the beginning, in the Slughorn scene, which is amazing in the movie. It’s really funny. Yeah. It’s good stuff, and, yeah, so he’s…

Matt: Well, I mean, everything’s happening to the teachers, this movie. I mean, Dumbledore’s dying from his hand being black, and McGonagall’s conjuring lightning, and Slughorn’s giving birth to memories.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: All right, Terrance, thank you…

Caller: No problem.

Andrew: …for calling.

Caller: Thanks a lot. Thanks a lot, you guys, nice show.

Andrew: No problem. Terrance from Hogwarts Radio. An example of a good caller. Someone who speaks clearly, audibly, you are able to understand what he’s saying, there’s no background, there’s no feedback, there’s no B.S. Straight up call! That’s what all calls should be like.

Matt: Geez.

Laura: Speaking of which, if you’re going call, you need to call the MuggleCast Hotline, so please stop calling me.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I’ll call you, Laura!

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: Yeah, me too.

Eric: We’re not going mention names yet, but if…

Andrew: Oh, I’m sorry, I just cut off Eric because I was taking another call. Sorry. Say that again, Eric.

Eric: Oh, yeah. If you call us – now that we’ve made the announcement, if you call us personally, we are going to mention names. And you will be shunned.

Matt: That’s probably what they want, Eric.

Andrew: Yeah. Don’t you think they want shout-outs? [laughs]

Eric: Oh, oh, oh. Okay, we won’t mention your names then.

Matt: Yeah.

[Small crashing noise]

Kevin: Either that or…

Matt: Oh, did somebody fall down?

Andrew: No…

Eric: Yes. Sounded like gates crashed.

Andrew: No, I answered a call and I think he passed out from…

[Matt laughs]

MuggleCast 160 Transcript (continued)


Call 6: …is lost


Andrew: Maria, you’re on MuggleCast Live. Hello.

Matt: Maria?

Caller: Hello?

Andrew: Hello. You’re on MuggleCast Live.

Caller: Hi, it’s Isabel, by the way.

Andrew: Isabel.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: Sorry, we’re going off your Skype name. You know.

Matt: Oh.

Caller: Yeah.

Andrew: [laughs] What’s going on? You have any questions about the trailer?

Caller: Yeah, actually, I was wondering, why do you guys… [laughs] Okay.

Andrew: Go ahead. Hello? Don’t listen to your stream. See, this is the thing. People listen to the stream and they think it’s live, when actually there’s a delay there. I’m going pick up Terrance again. Let’s just keep talking to him.

[Matt laughs]


Call 7: The Music


Andrew: I’m just kidding. Amy, you’re on MuggleCast Live. Hello.

Caller: Oh my…

Matt: Oh my?

Andrew: Amy?

Laura: Hello?

Andrew: Hi.

Caller: Hi, hi.

[Eric laughs]

Caller: Can you hear me?

Andrew: Yes, we can.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: What kind of question do you have today?

Caller: Sorry, I’ve got to mute my stream. One sec.

Matt: Okay.

Andrew: Oh, thank you. There’s a concerned caller who knows we’re all about quality here on MuggleCast Live.

Matt: God, okay, we get it, Andrew. Geez.

Caller: I’m really – sorry – I’m really happy. Okay, so I wanted to ask, what did you think of the music?

Andrew: Matt, go ahead, start with you. You’re a big music…

Matt: Well actually, I immediately recognized the music from the beginning of the trailer, and it was a rip-off of the X-Men trailer. And I was actually kind of disappointed with the music in this trailer.

Eric: Whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Rip-off of the what? What?

Andrew: Not rip-off. They used the same music, you mean.

Eric: No, they – what?

Matt: Yeah, they use the same exact music from the X-Men trailer.

Eric: I’m a fan of the X-Men trailer. Let me see this. Let me listen to this.

Matt: Okay, it’s X-Men 3, the trailer. It’s the very beginning. Okay…

Eric: Oh, X-Men 3? The movie X-Men 3 teasers ripped off Pirates of the Caribbean, so it’s some sick chain. But let’s see in a second.

Matt: No – Well, yeah. But not the song I’m thinking of – I’m talking about. But I was actually kind of disappointed, because I just didn’t think it was the best song for the trailer.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Oh hey, you’re right, Matt. You’re totally right. This is from X3: The Last Stand.

Matt: [laughs] You act like you’re surprised, Eric.

Eric: No. I mean…

Matt: I’m just kidding.

Eric: …as far as X3 goes, because that wasn’t – I mean, yeah. That’s…

Andrew: I’ve got to be honest, I didn’t really listen to the music in this trailer. Does anyone else have thoughts about it?

Micah: Me neither. I didn’t pay any attention to it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: It’s preliminary. It enhances the scene.

Laura: Yeah, I didn’t really pay that much attention either.

Andrew: But, the thing about the music in the trailers, I love the music in the trailers, because they always get you really pumped up and excited.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: But the problem is, is that this music doesn’t come into the movie. So when you see a scene that you saw in the trailer, you’re kind of expecting that music and that extra oomph.

Matt: Yeah, there’s no oomph in this.

Andrew: Yeah. My favorite was… [starts humming song from trailer]

Matt: Yeah, that was awesome.

Andrew: And it’d be great if they use this kind of thing in the movie, but I guess it just doesn’t work.

Matt: Well, this is also the international trailer. It’s not – it’s – usually the ones for the U.S. are actually the best music for the trailers.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah.

Matt: Because they have to re-dub the language, that’s why. So they don’t want too much interaction with the music.


Call 8: Trailer Released “This Year”


Andrew: Sean, you’re on MuggleCast Live. Hello.

Caller: Hi!

Andrew: What’s going on, Sean?

Caller: Not much. I was just wondering, why would it say “this year”? Could it be that it was an older trailer and that they haven’t updated it yet?

Andrew: Didn’t – you didn’t see that they actually moved the release date back to November 21st?

Caller: No, I – What? What?!

Andrew: Yeah. You didn’t see that?

[Laura laughs]

Caller: Oh my God! No, they didn’t, they didn’t. Don’t go there. Don’t go there.

Andrew: No they…

Eric: Don’t start that rumor, man.

Caller: Yeah.

Eric: You’re just opening up a wound, man, seriously.

Andrew: [laughs] That reaction was worth it though.

Eric: It’s in the air. Okay, okay, okay. We got – hang on.

Matt: What just happened?

Andrew: No, nothing. I was just messing with our caller, Sean. No, well, like we were discussing earlier in the program, there seems to be – my personal opinion is that this trailer actually leaked early – oh sorry – was created a few months ago. And, you know…

Eric: Before the release date was pushed back.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: But other people think – Micah, myself and Kevin included, and maybe Laura – that this was an early leak, meaning the trailer was meant to be released sometime in the very beginning of next year, which would mean that this year, you know, works there too.

Andrew: I think that’s a very good theory, but I’m trying to figure out what – when does WB decide – well, what makes them think, Oh, we’ll put “this year,” as opposed to, Oh, we’ll put “July 17th”? You know what I mean?

Eric: You know, I don’t know.

Laura: Well, generally…

Eric: The whole marketing for this movie has been off. Like completely weird.

Micah: Well, because you don’t hear, “On July 17th,” you know?

Andrew: No, but they didn’t say “this year.”

Laura: No, they just had the text.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: I’ve noticed that they tend to be more vague when they’re farther out from the release date.

Matt: Yeah.

Kevin: And also…

Laura: So I don’t know. I’m somewhat moderate on this issue. I feel like it could’ve gone either way, so…

Micah: You could say “this year.”

Andrew: Kevin?

Kevin: You’ve also got to remember it’s an international trailer, as well. So it’s not necessarily…

Eric: So they are extra safe?

Matt: Yeah, they have to deal with all the time zones. It’s already next year in some of the countries.

[Laura laughs]

Micah: No, no. He’s saying that not every place is going to have the same release date.

Matt: Yeah, that’s true. But they could say “this summer.”

Kevin: But maybe not that, you know, everyone applies, I suppose.

Eric: It would be winter in Australia.

Matt: But who cares?

Andrew: Oh, that’s true. But this is for the U.K., because it’s HarryPotter.co.uk. And remember – remember what I said. When this trailer leaked online – no sorry, no. When the first trailer leaked online, it appeared on MSN, and it was an international version, because it said “.co.uk,” and it also said “this year.” So that’s why I feel like this came out – this was done a few months ago. Plus, they must have had this trailer completed a few months ago, because they were planning on it coming out in November.

Matt: Yeah!

Andrew: And that trailer wasn’t a full trailer. It was really a teaser trailer. It’s only a minute and a half. Guys, I’m just so right, okay? Just admit it. Well, thank you, Sean, for calling.

Caller: It’s such an honor. It is.

Andrew: Well, it’s an honor to have you and an honor to prank you. So thank you.

[Matt laughs]

Caller: Bye, guys.

Andrew: Bye. Bye. There’s Sean, who I convinced momentarily that, in fact, the movie was coming out this year.

Matt: [imitating Sean] “What?! What?!”

Andrew: “What?!”

[Everyone laughs]


Call 9: Michael Gambon


Andrew: Wonder if every Harry Potter fan did that. Hello, Colin, you’re on MuggleCast Live.

Matt: Colin?

Andrew: Colin. Hello.

Caller: Let me mute my feed.

Andrew: Oh. Thank you.

Caller: Oh my god! I’m on MuggleCast Live. I did not expect this.

Andrew: Colin, I’m sorry. We’ve breaking news: the – WB just announced the movie is coming out in November. Your reaction?

Eric: Oh shut up, Andrew Sims.

[Everyone laughs]

Matt: Stop it.

Caller: Don’t even try that, Andrew.

Andrew: What’s going on, Colin? What’s your question?

Caller: I just joined in MuggleCast Live a couple of minutes ago to hear Terrance. So I’m not entirely sure of everything that you guys touched on.

Andrew: Okay.

Matt: Okay.

Caller: One thing: I’ve never been a huge fan of Michael Gambon before.

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: In this trailer, I have faith in him. I don’t know why, but I just like him a lot more.

Andrew: Well, was it something he said?

[Matt laughs]

Caller: I don’t know. It just – he seemed a lot more calm than he was in the past, especially in Order of the Phoenix. “Did you” – oh, not Order of the Phoenix, Goblet of Fire – “Did you put the name in the Goblet of Fire!?”

Andrew: Right.

Caller: I don’t know. I liked him a lot more.

Andrew: Yeah. I agree. I agree.

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: I had that general feeling, too, in the entire movie, that he is really toned down. And not only toned down, but respectable, almost likable.

Matt: They should have…

Andrew: Almost like-able. [laughs]

Kevin: Yeah, don’t go that far, Eric.

Matt: They should’ve killed Dumbledore a little earlier in the books so we had a better Dumbledore from Gambon. Because it just seems…

Andrew: As he gets closer…

Matt: …that we just have to – take him down a peg, yeah. You have to be less – you have to be dying a little bit, Gambon. You understand?

Eric: Add more death! Add more death!

Matt: Add more death, yes.

Andrew: Laura and Micah, do you feel like Gambon has changed in this trailer? Does it change your opinion?

Laura: No, and I’ve said this before…

[Micah laughs]

Laura: …I really don’t see a difference.

Micah: She likes him, so…

Laura: I like Michael Gambon!

Andrew: So do I.

Micah: I don’t like Michael Gambon, and I’ve never liked him in the movies, you know, since Richard Harris passed away. But again, I think it’s a hard role to fill. You can’t replace somebody like that. But in this particular trailer, I said it even with the teaser trailer that came out a couple months ago, I felt like he does look
better, in terms of how he’s portraying Dumbledore. Just the tone of his voice. It seems like he’s into the role a little bit more. I don’t know why that is.

Matt: He needs glasses!

Micah: Yeah, that too.

Laura: Okay, but you guys…

Micah: Maybe…

Laura: You make it sound like he screams through the whole movie. You make it… [laughs]

Eric: He does!

Laura: …sound like every line…

Eric: He does!

Laura: No, he doesn’t.

Micah: Even if he does…

Kevin: I think what gets me about him is that you watch the previous movies and think that he hasn’t read the books.

Andrew: Mhm.

Kevin: He just completely mischaracterizes Dumbledore.

Caller: Michael Gambon didn’t [unintelligible].

Kevin: You sort of lose faith in his ability, I suppose.

Eric: Okay, I’m going to say – to Kevin’s thing, I’m going to quick say, though, that – oh wait, Laura, just continue.

Laura: No, I was just going to say that I think he plays a different aspect of Dumbledore’s personality. Like, I feel that Richard Harris really sort of encompassed that
very calming essence that Dumbledore has, and I feel that Michael Gambon sort of plays more on the quirky side, which is the side of Dumbledore that I really like, so of course I’m going to like Gambon.

Micah: But I think it also matters – it also matters who the director is. I think when you deal with Chris Columbus, in the first two films, you were dealing with films that were more geared towards children, and it had more of that calming effect of sort of a grandfather figure.

Eric: Ah, phoenixes…

Micah: [laughs] Whereas, you know, once you hit Prisoner of Azkaban and Movie 4, again, and I’ve said it many times on the show, obviously Richard Harris didn’t have that chance to take on a more serious role. But just bringing in Michael Gambon, and from the
start, not having that more compassionate, older guy type feel to him – you know, like a grandfather, somebody who you can identify with in that type of character, he just doesn’t have that. He’s like – he’s almost like a bad-ass version of Dumbledore.

Andrew: Yeah. I don’t know what that word meant, but yeah.

Eric: Well, yeah, and, guys, I’m…

Micah: A more rogue version of Dumbledore.

Eric: Yeah, and I’m going to share with you guys too, that during this movie, very early on, what clicked with me, and it was a moment where I was sitting in the theater and I said, “You know what? I’m finally going to be okay with Michael Gambon as of this movie.” In the scene with Dumbledore and Slughorn, the line in the book about knitting patterns, if you guys remember that – that offhand, funny quote about Dumbledore liking knitting patterns – that’s in the movie. And you hear Michael Gambon say that, and just the way… [laughs] …he acts it, it becomes him. And you know what? That is the moment when I said – I actually – I laughed. I actually laughed at something Michael Gambon said, and it was just this beautiful feeling, because it was hilarious. Just the way he got into the role, and I think, possibly – I’m going to throw this out there since we’re talking about Michael Gambon – I think that the mention – the post-canonic outing of Dumbledore also gave Michael Gambon a little bit more to work with in this movie, as far as how he can
shape the character, and I think – I think Gambon likes that Dumbledore isn’t quirky just to be quirky, but has these other quirks, as well, and can sort of twist it. I think the – I think that Michael Gambon…

Micah: But why did he need that, though? Why would he need that? This…

Eric: I don’t know! I don’t know, Micah. You’re completely right about…

Micah: If you read the books, there’s plenty of Dumbledore to go on.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: There is. There is definitely plenty of Dumbledore to go on, but I just get the feeling that Michael Gambon is more of a stick-it-to-you kind of person, and regardless – regardless, I liked that scene, and the scene in Slughorn’s house is hilarious, and when Dumbledore says that, I fell in love with Michael Gambon for the first time.

Andrew: Michael Gambon – or sorry, Dumbledore – says vote no on Prop 8, by the way. Just wanted to get that out there.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Andrew: All right, Colin, thank you for calling in.

Caller: Thank you! Thanks, guys.

Andrew: This has been MuggleCast’s daily, or weekly, “Let’s Rip on Gambon” segment, brought to you by Colin. All right, we’ll take one more call for the day.

Matt: One more call?

Andrew: Yeah, one more…

Matt: One more call.

Andrew: …because we’ve been podcasting for a while now, and it’s getting close to closing time.

Matt: Okay.


Call 10: Arrogant Harry


Andrew: Hello, caller, you’re on MuggleCast Live. What’s going on?

Caller: Hi. You know at the end of the trailer, Harry calls out, “Yeah, I am the Chosen One.” Well, did that sound a little arrogant to you?

Eric: No!

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Sorry.

Caller: No, I didn’t think it was…

Eric: I’m not mad at you, but…

Caller: I didn’t think it was…

Eric: …I didn’t think it sounded arrogant at all.

Matt: It’s not – I don’t think it’s arrogant. I think it’s just him playing it off. Just that – kind of making fun of it.

Caller: I don’t think he’s arrogant either, but I heard some complaints: “Oh, Harry would never say that in real life…”

Andrew: Oh, geez. Here we go.

Caller: “…or in the books.”

Matt: I think he would! I think Harry would say that, because he’s just making fun of how everyone’s calling him the Chosen One, and he doesn’t think that way.

Caller: Exactly.

Matt: “Oh, I am the Chosen One, apparently, now.”

Kevin: Yeah, I think it was a sarcastic remark.

Andrew and Eric: Yeah.

Eric: “I am the Chosen One.”

Andrew: Yeah. Not cocky.

Eric: He’s like, “What, Hermione?”

Matt: It’s not cocky, fans.

Andrew: What’s your name, caller?

Caller: Carla.

Andrew: Carla, thank you for calling in.

Matt: Carla.

Eric: Carla, thank you so much for getting these guys to say that it’s not him being cocky.

Matt: Who said he was cocky!?

Caller: [laughs] Okay, no problem.

Eric: You all were saying he was cocky. You all were like, yeah, that was a bit arrogant.

Matt: I never said that, Eric.

Andrew: Goodbye, Carla. Have a wonderful day.

Matt: You said it too, Eric.


Call 11: The Romance


Andrew: Hey, let’s take one more call. Just one more. Hello, caller, you’re on MuggleCast Live. What’s going on?

Caller: Not much. I’m just listening to your thing. I’m loving it.

Andrew: Oh, good.

Matt: Hello?

Caller: Hello?

Matt: Hello?

Andrew: Yeah, we can – we can – what are you doing? What – what’s your question?

Caller: I was – when I was watching it, I was interested by the focus of romance in it. They didn’t show any Harry and Ginny, but they did show a little bit of Ron and kind of this random person, if you think about it. Like if you haven’t seen – if you haven’t read the book, you wouldn’t know who it is. So I thought that was kind of interesting.

Andrew: Are you talking about the end scene? That the girl…

Caller: Not the end scene.

Andrew: …was checking out Harry?

Caller: Not the end scene, the part with Ron and…

Andrew: Lavender?

Caller: Lavender.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: You know what’s interesting about that, when I initially watched it, that scene is so quick. Lavender almost looked like Hermione, for a second, just like the
hair…

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, she…

Laura: …and everything.

Matt: The hair.

Laura: I was like, what? Like, you’re a movie early, guys, and then I was like, oh wait.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: But it was kind of misleading, I thought.

Andrew: It was. It was, kind of.

Caller: Yeah, I mean, the problem – I think they’re probably going to try to keep Harry/Ginny a surprise for people who haven’t read the books.

Andrew: Maybe. Yeah, because there’s always those things that you never see in the trailer. They keep them complete surprises. And I always appreciate that because
it’s nice to be surprised by seeing something you haven’t seen before.

Caller: Yeah. [unintelligible] bad. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. Caller, do you live in the south Jersey area? I recognize the zip code.

Caller: I do. I do. I live in Cherry Hill.

Andrew: Cherry Hill. Wonderful.

Matt: Oh, snap.

Andrew: They have a mall there. It’s called Cherry Hill Mall. Don’t they?

Caller: Yes. I do live near the Cherry Hill Mall. [laughs]

Andrew: Excellent. Well, you say hi to Cherry Hill Mall and my family, and that’ll be great.

Caller: Okay.

Matt: Awesome.

Andrew: Okay. She’s confused.

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: Thank you for calling. All right, well…

[Micah says something unintelligible]

Andrew: What, Micah?

Micah: Take one more call.

Andrew: Take one – oh.

Matt: You said – you said that was the last one.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Oh.

Andrew: What are you doing?

Eric: You already said that was the last one.


Andrew’s Sister is Legal


Andrew: Hold on, let’s just – I don’t know if people will mind this. We’re just calling my sister real quick and wish her a Happy Birthday.

Everyone: Awww.

Eric: It’s been so long since I’ve talked to Becca.

Andrew: Oh, Andrew, you’re such a sweetheart. Okay, I’m going to give her a call now. Wonderful technology. I think we’re going to get one of those ringback tones.
You know those cool things, where it doesn’t ring, it plays a song.

Micah: It’s not on.

Andrew: Oh. Oh, that’s right, she has an iPhone now.

[Phone rings]

Micah: Take her number right off of Skype.

Andrew: Hey, don’t you dare, Micah.

Micah: No, I said… [laughs] …it’s a good thing Ben’s not on.

Andrew: Oh. [laughs]

Matt: Oh, Ben.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

[Phone rings]

Andrew: I’m sure my sister’s – I’m sure my sister’s busy. She’s already – Becca!

Becca: Yeah?

Andrew: Hey.

Becca: Andrew?

Andrew: Yeah, it’s Andrew. Hey.

Becca: Andrew!

Andrew: Hey.

Becca: What are you using to call me on?

Andrew: I’m using this thing called the MuggleCast Hotline because we’re doing a live show right now. And I just wanted to wish you…

Becca: Oh my God.

Andrew: I just wanted to wish you a Happy Birthday in front of the 673 people listening right now.

Becca: Awww! Thanks, Andrew!

Andrew: Matt’s here, and my – the fellow co-hosts are here, so everyone…

Becca: Matt’s here!?

Matt: Hi, Becca!

Becca: Hi, Matt!

Andrew: Laura’s in here, Eric’s in here, Kevin, Micah, so…

Becca: Kevin and Micah, hi! Love you all!

Matt: How old…

Andrew: She doesn’t – she doesn’t even…

Matt: How old are you, Becca?

Andrew: Yeah, how old are you turning?

Becca: I’m eighteen.

Andrew: Oh, geez.

Matt: Oh, geez.

Laura: Oh.

Becca: I’m legal!

Matt: Uh-oh.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: She knows she’s live in front of…

Andrew: Wow.

Eric: …673 people, and yet she makes that known.

Matt: I’m legal! Friend me on Facebook! [laughs]

Andrew: Oh, God, why did you just say that?

[Becca laughs]

Eric: Looks like MuggleCast will be planning a trip to New Jersey.

Andrew: Micah’s already got his train ticket booked.

[Matt laughs]

Eric: Geez.

Becca: When!?

Andrew: Oh my God, Becca.

Matt: Becca, Becca.

Micah: No!

Andrew: It was a joke!

Becca: I can’t hear!

Andrew: It was a joke.

Kevin: Subtleties, subtleties

Becca: All I heard was that you were coming to New Jersey.

Andrew: No, no, no, no, no. What are you doing?

Becca: Oh.

Andrew: What are you doing right now?

Becca: I’m in the car.

Andrew: Doing what? Where are you going?

Becca: We’re going to the Cheesecake Factory.

Matt: [gasps] Ooooo.

Andrew: Oh, wonderful. With the family? With the Sims family?

Becca: Dad wanted me to tell you we’re going to Chuck E. Cheese.

Andrew: With the Sims family?

Becca: Yeah, and with Cassy and Kelly – yeah, and Cassy, Kelly, and Manda.

Andrew: Oh, wonderful.

Matt: Chuck E. Cheese.

Andrew: No, Cheesecake Factory they’re going to.

Matt: I thought she said Chuck E. Cheese.

Andrew: I know some people…

Becca: No, my Dad wanted me to tell you we’re going to Chuck E. Cheese.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: There’s a couple people of listeners in Cherry Hill right now.

Becca: So funny. What?

Andrew: We were just speaking to a listener from Cherry Hill, and do you want to give the location of the Cheesecake Factory so maybe they can come wish you a Happy Birthday?

Becca: Who, Alyssa? I’ll tell her – I’ll say hi to her.

Andrew: What are you talk…? Okay. Anyway.

[Laura laughs]

Becca: I can only hear half the things you’re saying right now.

Andrew: It’s okay. iPhones stink. So just wanted to say Happy Birthday and get a…

Becca: Thanks, Andrew. Miss you.

Andrew: Get a deep…

Matt: Awww.

Becca: Are you coming home soon?

Andrew: December 23rd.

Becca: Are you coming home for Thanksgiving?

Andrew: No.

Becca: With me and Grandma?

Andrew: No.

[Matt laughs]

Becca: Awww…

Andrew: What is – so, yeah, Happy Birthday, and yeah.

Becca: Thank you!

Matt: Happy Birthday, Becca!

Andrew: You’re not going to get a present from me.

Becca: Thanks.

Andrew: It was – it was this call. It was your exposure to the world and you telling everyone you’re legal.

Becca: Oh. That’s enough. Hello, world. Thank you.

Andrew: All right.

Eric: That’s so sweet of you, Andrew. You’re such a good brother.

Andrew: I know.

[Andrew and Becca laugh]

Andrew: All right. Happy Birthday. Goodbye.

Becca: Goodbye. Love you!

Andrew: I love you too.

Matt: Bye!

Andrew: Okay.

Matt: Awww.

Andrew: So there you go, there’s my sister, who turned 18 today. Micah, I swear to God, don’t you dare leave your house tonight.

Micah: She – hey.

[Matt laughs]

Kevin: Her cell phone number is – no.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: I already wrote it down, so…


Announcement: Episode Expected for November 3rd


Andrew: Okay. All right, well, thank you, everyone, for listening today. I just want to say that we are planning a episode to be released November 3rd at the very latest. I said earlier in this recording that we did record an episode, actually, this time last weekend, but we’re having audio problems with the audio files right now. It will be released eventually. We had a Halloween discussion and all that, but – and Ben was here so it was a fun time.

Micah: It’s all Elysa’s [pronounces El-i-sa] fault. Or Elysa’s [pronounces El-yee-sa] fault.

Andrew: I didn’t want to name names, Micah.

Micah: Well, I’m just throwing her right under the bus. I mean, how long has it been since she could get your audio file?

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Everyone should know listening right now – 665 people that are listening live should know – that it’s her fault that we don’t have Episode 160 out to them.

Andrew: Incredibly mean. I’m sure Elysa really appreciates that.

Eric: Stop picking on Elysa.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay, so that’s what I’m trying to say. November 3rd is the latest when you’ll see the next episode. This episode will be released later tonight. So I think it was a good show. Any final thoughts about the trailer? Does anyone feel different about the movie now?

Eric: Are you guys still – are you guys all excited about the movie?

Matt: I’m glad it’s still there.

Andrew: I have to say, Eric, when I watched it I was like, it’s – I want to be excited, but it’s bumming me out that people already saw this.

Matt: Yeah, I agree with Andrew on that.

Eric: Well, there haven’t been any screenings since that we know about, have there?


Eric is Still Excited to See the Movie


Andrew: Yeah, I know. No, there haven’t, but, Eric, are you – does this trailer make you excited, having seen the film? You’re, like, wow, I can’t wait to see that.

Eric: Yeah, it does.

Andrew: Really?

Eric: Yeah, I still am, yeah. I still see it, like, as if it were a different movie. I’ve seen the scenes,
I can offer some inflection on the scenes and all that, but the final trailer with the final music and the final everything is going to be different and special.

Matt: Is it, though, weird at all, Eric, on any shape or form that you’ve seen the movie almost a year before it’s going to be shown to everybody else?

Eric: Well, see, that’s the thing. And I don’t want to say that I’ve forgotten bits, but to be perfectly honest, I’ve forgotten bits. Watching it in that kind of setting, it’s different. You don’t remember all the funny lines…

Andrew: Oh, of course.

Eric: …and you’re going to laugh at them once more and stuff, so…

Andrew: Kevin?

Kevin: But, Eric, you told me that you recorded it.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Eric: Oh, that’s right!

Andrew: Micah, Laura, Kevin, do you guys have any closing thoughts?

Micah: No, I think it’s still nine months away, and Laura can have a baby in that time.

Kevin: It’s still nine months away.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: What!? Micah, you’re getting way too perverted. [laughs] Anyway…

Kevin: Well, my thought was, it’s still nine months away so I can’t be excited just yet.

Andrew: It’s still a baby away.

Micah: Exactly. I agree with Kevin.


Everyone is Excited for Azkatraz


Andrew: [laughs] Laura, do you have any final thoughts? Anything change for you?

Laura: I’m always excited to see the film.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: That’s pretty much it.

Andrew: All right. And Matt and I – Matt, are you excited? I’m excited.

Matt: Well, I’m excited for the movie. Heck yeah. I’m just – I’m tired of waiting.

Laura: I’m more excited for the – for the atmosphere.

Matt: I’m just so done with it.

Andrew: What, Laura?

Laura: I’m more excited for the atmosphere, because I’m going to come out and see you guys, and were going to go see the movie.

Andrew: That’s what I’m excited for.

Matt: Yeah. Seeing it with a whole theater full of hardcore Harry Potter fans.

Andrew: Yes! Speaking of that, since the last episode we – there was an announcement by HPEF that we will be doing a live podcast after the midnight showing…

Matt: Yes!

Andrew: …of Half-Blood Prince. So what’s going to happen is, everybody, all these hardcore Harry Potter fans, are going to all be traveling to San Francisco, seeing the film together for the very first time, because it’s going to be a midnight premiere. Azkatraz is the day after the movie comes out, so they are going to have a midnight showing…

Matt: Who…

Andrew: …the day before Azkatraz starts. Hold on, let me finish.

Matt: Sure, sorry, sorry.

Andrew: We’re going to be doing a podcast right after that midnight premiere. So…

Matt: Who do we know that’s going to be there?

Andrew: What do you mean?

Matt: Of the live show. Of us?

Andrew: I’ll be there, Laura and Micah are going to be there. Kevin, maybe he can try to make it. Eric, are you coming?

Eric: I’ll definitely try to make it.

Andrew: Okay, so there you go.

Matt: I’ll be there. Wait, isn’t Ben going to be there too?

Andrew: Ben wants to go too. So, I think Ben will be there, it’s going to be a big fun panel. Go to HP2009.org to register for Azkatraz, and when you do register, please, please, please put “MuggleNet” or “MuggleCast” in the referral area so they know where you’re sent from. And that’s very important for us as well, because they’re trying to get a handle of how many people will be participating
in the midnight podcast. So, in the referral area please, “MuggleNet” or “MuggleCast.” Or both. Whatever. Okay, so that’s it.

Micah: Oh yeah, we have one more thing. Sorry.

Andrew: Yes, Micah?

Micah: Since we’re doing a live show, did you want to talk about the Podcast Awards real fast?

Andrew: Oh! Yes.

Eric: Guys, I’ve got to get going quick…

Andrew: Okay.

Eric: …but good luck, and good luck with Imprint and all that.

Andrew: All right.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: Eric, thank you for joining us.

Matt: Thanks, Eric.

Andrew: Goodbye.

Eric: Thanks, everyone.


Vote for MuggleCast in the Podcast Awards


Andrew: Go ahead, Micah, do a quick PSA about the Podcast Awards and then we’ll get out of here.

Micah: Well, voting for the Podcast Awards opened a couple days ago. It goes through November 6th, which I think is next Thursday, and you can vote every 24 hours. We’re nominated in the category of entertainment. So go vote for us. And vote as frequently as possible. Tell as many of your friends, family, anybody you want to send it to. Put fliers up around school, I really don’t care. Just vote for us.

Andrew: It is important, though, you have to vote once every 24 hours. Don’t vote any more frequently than that. So if you vote right now, 2:30 West Coast time,
don’t vote again until past 2:30 tomorrow. So. It’s kind of…

Micah: And make sure you verify your vote. Everybody gets sent an e-mail.

Andrew: Yeah, they said it’s at random, but every time I vote I get an e-mail.

Micah: Yeah, me too.

Andrew: And also, I’ve got to do it here, Imprint is also nominated in the cultural arts category, so vote for Imprint as well! You can vote for a podcast from each category. And so MuggleCast and Imprint are both nominated, so thank you, everyone, for voting for us. Vote daily, don’t forget.

Matt: Mhm. And don’t forget to vote for us on Podcast Alley.

Micah: [laughs] What’s that?

Andrew: We need to focus on the Podcast Awards right now. You’re asking too much of our loyal listeners.

Matt: Yeah, but October’s almost over!


Show Close


Andrew: I know, it’s Moctober. Okay, so, thank you, everyone, for joining us. Micah, Laura, Kevin, Eric, thanks for being on. I know we planned this very last minute and it was great that everyone could come on, so thanks, guys.

Laura: Yeah, it was fun.

Matt: We should do this more often.

Andrew: Yeah, we should have trailers leak more often.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: I can’t wait to see what tomorrow brings. I’m telling you, WB’s going to say something about it. It’s going to be all over in the press. Okay, sure, maybe…

Kevin: We should place bets on it.

Andrew: See, but I’m afraid they are just going to let it go, because it’s so – it’s so – what’s the word? Pushed into the fandom now. I don’t know.

Matt: If only you were a betting man.

Andrew: Yeah, but I don’t know the future.

Matt: All right.

Andrew: All right, it’s time to get out of here.

Micah: [unintelligible] I’ll find out the future.

Andrew: Yeah. Thank you, everyone, for joining us. This has been MuggleCast Live, and…

Matt: Episode 161?

Andrew: Yeah, we’ll call this 161 because 160 is still coming.

Matt: Okay.

Andrew: All right. Thank you, everyone, for listening. We’ll see you next time. Buh-bye!

Matt: Bye.

Laura: Bye.

Kevin: Bye, guys.

Transcript #159

MuggleCast 159 Transcript


Show Intro


[Intro music begins]

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[Harry Potter theme plays]

Jim Dale: [as Professor McGonagall] This is Professor McGonagall welcoming you all to MuggleCast hoping you enjoyed – Dobby! Dobby, come here! Here! Dobby! [as Dobby] Yes, I’d just like to say how very pleased I am to introduce MuggleCast to all of you! Thank you! Thank you!

[Show music begins]

Micah: Because to hang Voldemort, or not hang Voldemort, that is the question, this is MuggleCast Episode 159 for October 7th, 2008.

[Show music continues]

Andrew: All right, it’s time for another fascinating installment of MuggleCast this week. Welcome back, everyone. Thank you for still sticking with us, even though we all gave up on you and decided to not do the show weekly anymore.

Matt: That’s true.

Laura: Wow, that’s…

Andrew: We are your Harry Potter friends, and we’re back with – we’re changing up the episodes this week. We’re getting back to something we haven’t done in a while, a long while, and that is book discussions. It’s something that a lot of people have asked us to get back to, because let’s face it, we’ve been talking a lot about the movies. Micah’s been complaining a lot about movie pictures.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: And it’s just time to get back to some book stuff. So that’s what we have this week, and that’s going to be our goal through the next, you know – through MuggleCast going onward.

Matt: Ah. Makes sense.

Andrew: Yeah. Okay, so we’ve got a lot to get to this week, so we’ll jump right into it. I’m Andrew Sims.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Eric: I’m Eric Scull.

Matt: And I’m Matthew Britton.

[Show music continues]

Andrew: All right, Micah, what is in the news this week?

Micah: Well, where do you want me to start, Andrew? There’s a lot of stuff, and we have…

Andrew: Start at the top!

Micah: The top?

Andrew: Number one!

Micah: Number one?

[Laura laughs]

Matt: And work your way down.

[Everyone laughs]


News: Scholastic’s Cover Event


Micah: Thank you. One of the big events that took place during the last couple of weeks was Scholastic held a Cover to Cover event for the release of the tenth anniversary edition of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone, even though it seemed to be leaked out before that. And from what I read and the pictures I saw, it seemed that everybody who went had a good time. They got to sit on the throne, they got to read from the book, and the throne, of course, was the one that J.K. Rowling used at Carnegie Hall back a year ago now, I guess. Or almost a year ago.

Laura: Oh, man.

Micah: Can you believe it was that long ago?

Andrew: Over a year ago.

Laura: Oh, God. I can’t believe that.

Andrew: Oh, it was a year ago. Yeah. Yeah, it was a year ago this time we were all summoned to New York City. That was a fun trip.

Matt: It really was.

Micah: It was.

Matt: Was I there?

Micah: Yeah, you were.

Laura: Yeah, you were there.

[Everyone laughs]

Matt: Oh, I was there! I actually was there.

Micah: But I did go and purchase this tenth anniversary edition, and I know we talked about this on the last show when we had all that leaked information about what was in this book, and there really isn’t a whole lot of anything. I mean, it’s the cover, and it’s that drawing of Snape and that’s about it. Which is – I don’t know. Is that pretty pathetic for an anniversary edition of a book?

Andrew: I was really surprised that’s all it had. Because, like you said, the book leaked out really – well, not – it wasn’t leaked. Technically, they didn’t have to put it on – they didn’t have to wait until September 23rd. And, you know, if I’m a bookstore, I would put it out there as soon as I got it. But, yeah, I thought the book was really disappointing because they were sort of hyping it up. They were saying it was going to have this exclusive bonus material from J.K Rowling. And it did, but it was just a picture of Snape and it’s sort of like, eh.

Matt: It did look like Mary GrandPre’s version of him too.

Andrew: Yeah. I almost thought I’d seen that before.

Matt: Yeah. It looked very familiar looking.

Micah: You ended up with more from Mary GrandPre than you did from J.K. Rowling, because in the book there’s also, in the first couple of pages, another drawing by Mary GrandPre with Hagrid and him taking all the first years across to Hogwarts in the boats. And I had never seen that before in the original Sorcerer’s Stone, and it was a colored drawing. Overall, not enough in my opinion.

Eric: I think you guys are probably correct, or Micah, that it was possibly mis-marketed, meaning that you get more from Mary GrandPre than you do by J.K. Rowling. That’s an interesting observation. I do – I haven’t bought the book yet, because I haven’t been in a bookstore and seen it, but I did see it when the cover was shown to us, and I think it’s a cool cover and…

Andrew: Yeah, it’s very cool.

Eric: …whatever they have inside is going to be – yeah, going to be cool. I mean, it’s not a deluxe edition by way of, you know, it’s not going to be more expensive. I mean, clearly it’s something to mark the date…

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: …and the occasion. And the thing about not having too many different special features inside is that it does still have to serve its purpose as a book. You know, it still has to function as a book that people read…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …as opposed to what they collect. Maybe this will be what they read and people will start collecting the old versions once they start replacing the whole lot. Not that they’re going to replace them.

Andrew: I hope they don’t.

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah. It’ll still be – it’s an interesting alternate version of the book, and the U.S. doesn’t have enough of that. You know, the U.K. already has adult or child.

Andrew: But anyway, getting back to this Cover to Cover event itself, I thought this was a really cool event. And I watched the stream because they were streaming it live online for most of the day, and it was really cool just seeing all these people come in and read the books, and everyone – as I tweeted on Twitter, I thought it was cool seeing what every – each person was going to be wearing as they walked up and sat in the chair. And then also, the first, I think it was 100 people, got a free copy of the book, so it was a good deal.

Micah: Very good deal. So…

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: …if you were able to make it out there, write in and let us know how it went, because I didn’t go down there.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I had work and all that fun stuff so I wasn’t able to go down there, but it seemed like it was a very successful event.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: A couple of our friends were there, too.

Andrew: Mhm. So – and then at the end they even hinted that there may be another. They said, “We’ll see you next time for Chamber of Secrets,” and I was like “Whoa!”

Matt: Do you think they’ll do it in New York? I kind of want them to just go around…

Andrew: They will do it in New York.

Matt: …the country or something.

Andrew: They did it at Scholastic headquarters, so I think they’ll keep it there.

Matt: Oh. And Scholastic only has one headquarter?

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: That’s why it’s called the headquarters. That’s the one place. [laughs]

Matt: Oh, you’d think like quarters would be four different places, because quarters – you know.

Andrew: Four heads?

Matt: No?

Andrew: Right. Okay.

Matt: No? Okay.

Andrew: No.

Micah: Good try.

Matt: [sighs] Sorry.

Andrew: Well, what else is going on, Micah?


News: Deathly Hallows Paperback to be Released Next July


Micah: Well, speaking of books, Deathly Hallows, the paperback, is going to be released next July.

Andrew: What?

Micah: Yeah. Isn’t that a a long time?

Laura: Isn’t that really late?

Andrew: It is late. U.K. – the U.K. already has their paperback. Where’s ours? It just seems weird that, you know…

Laura: It is very bizarre.

Andrew: …there’s that long of a delay. And one could argue, “Oh, well, they want to time it with the movie.”

Matt: One could argue that.

[Laura laughs]

Micah: Yeah, that’s probably a pretty good argument to make, actually. I think that that’s probably why they’re doing it, because I was listening to one of our shows on the train this past week, and we were actually discussing something related to the hardcover edition and we said, “Oh, well, this paperback is probably coming out in July, so that’s why they’re doing this.” I don’t know if they were moving the hardcover editions off the shelves at a pretty fast rate at some bookstores. I think that was the story. I forget exactly what it was. I know Laura had brought it up, but – and then we kind of surmised, “Hey, maybe it’s because this paperback edition’s going to be out in July,” and then of course…

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: …it’s not coming out for another – about a year or so from today, so…

Eric: Yeah, guys, it says on Amazon.co.uk – yeah, paperback version July 10, 2008.

Andrew: Yeah, it’s weird. It’s like I just said that.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Matt: Yeah, but why haven’t we heard about that? I mean…

Andrew: No, we did.

Matt: I would’ve just paid for a paperback version of it than the hardcover.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: I don’t know. I mean, hardcover – there is something about the hardcover version…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …and it is stronger. It lasts longer. I mean, all my paperbacks – paperback books are pretty much falling apart now, and I haven’t read them near as much as everyone else has. But I remember that the Goblet of Fire paperback – if I am remembering correctly – I think that I got the Goblet of Fire paperback one of the few days it came out, which – or one of the first days it came out, which could have been July 2002. Could have been out sooner. I could be completely mistaken, but if that’s the case it would be two years after release date, which would be similar to the time delay we’re seeing here with Deathly Hallows in the United States. I think it’s incredibly weird, though, that the paperback is out in the U.K., and not here for another year.

Andrew: Maybe Scholastic figures, well, you know, with hardbacks, you can make more. I’m not saying that’s what Scholastic is figuring, but that could – I mean, I imagine that they’re making a bigger profit off of the hardbacks.

Laura: No, it wouldn’t be about money at all. I mean…

[Micah laughs]

Laura: …why would you think that?

Eric: Maybe Britain represents the future. You know? I mean, they’re already five hours, six hours in the future.

Andrew: Well, yeah, but the other – with all the other paperbacks, we waited a year just like the U.K., so…

Eric: Maybe they’ll release Movie 6 out before there than they do here.

Andrew: Maybe they were thinking about skipping paperback and just going straight to anniversary edition.

[Laura laughs]

Matt: Maybe.

Andrew: Two year anniversary edition.

Matt: Oh my gosh. Two years could be…

Micah: Well, that could be…

Andrew: Including a new sketch from Jo.

Micah: No actually, Andrew, you might be right, though. Anniversary editions. Maybe they didn’t want the two to sort of compete with each other.

Andrew: Oh, yes. That’s what I – that’s exactly what I meant.

Eric: No.

Andrew: That’s exactly what I meant, of course.

Eric: They’re not going to do a two year anniversary edition.

Micah: No, no. [laughs]

Eric: They’re going to wait ten years.

Andrew: No, no, no.

Micah: The Sorcerer’s Stone anniversary edition…

Laura: No, Eric, they are.

Micah: …they didn’t want the Deathly Hallows paperback to compete…

Andrew: To compete.

Micah: …with the Sorcerer’s Stone 10th Anniversary edition.

Matt: And Beedle the Bard‘s coming out, too.

Eric: Oh, that makes sense. More sense, anyway.

Andrew: That’s valid, yes.

Micah: We’ve solved it.

Andrew: That’s exactly what I meant. Thank you for rephrasing it, Micah.

Matt: Yes.

Andrew: But just for the record, I had that idea.

Micah: Yeah.

[Laura laughs]

Matt: I think we all have the same general idea. We just said it differently, Andrew.

Micah: Yeah, I was just interpreting what Andrew was trying to say.

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: Thank you. And what else is going on?


News: David Heyman Talks Half-Blood Prince


Micah: [laughs] Well, how about you talk about this one a little bit more, because I think you know more about it. David Heyman…

Andrew: David Heyman talks Half-Blood Prince! So here’s what happened, and I’ve got a little side story about this too. So David Heyman’s got a new movie out he’s producing, and he’s promoting it, and the film production company had a good idea. Talk to – get the fansites, let them ask questions about Harry Potter, and then they can post about the movie on their sites. That’s a good idea.

Matt: Yeah, why not?

Andrew: So our own Jamie’s in touch – was in touch with the David Heyman people, and he was supposed to submit questions about Half-Blood Prince that we would post on the site once we got the answers back. Well, now Jamie claims that it wasn’t his fault, but all the other fansites had these interviews with David Heyman, and Jamie was in touch with them, and for some reason, Jamie did not get the questions in. So something tells me it was Jamie’s fault. He says it’s not, but anyway. David Heyman did talk about Half-Blood Prince and revealed some interesting things.

Eric: And MuggleNet did not have coverage…

Andrew: No. Yes, we did.

Eric: …except to say that everyone else had coverage.

Andrew: Yeah, we linked to them.

Eric: Yeah. We had coverage to say that everyone – but we did not have our own original question.

Andrew: Right. Exactly. But honestly, a couple of these questions kind of overlapped each other anyway, so…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: …we’re just going to take two. Snitch Seeker asked them – asked David Heyman, “As you know, Half-Blood Prince screenings were recently held in Chicago, which has given fans an idea what to expect come July 2009. Many were shocked to see the omission of the battle at Hogwarts and Dumbledore’s funeral. Can you explain why these scenes were left out?” Very good question. David responds, “The reason why we left out the battle of Hogwarts is because we have a battle at Hogwarts in the seventh film, and we are avoiding repetition. Dumbledore’s funeral was something that I really loved and is a fantastic part of the book, and part of me would have loved it in the film. But we decided that while we loved it, that what we came up with was the right ending for the film that we had made.” So he’s admitting here that there is no battle of Hogwarts and there’s no Dumbledore’s funeral, which is kind of crazy to even say.

Laura: That really bothers me.

Micah: He’s really behind the times, though, because I think Eric said that on last week’s show. Or…

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Micah: …a couple of shows.

Andrew: Well, no no…

Micah: Weeks ago.

Andrew: Yeah. Yes. Eric did tell us this when he was lucky enough to see the screening. By the way, Eric, did you catch anymore movies that are coming out in like ten years?

Eric: You know, actually, yes, but you wouldn’t understand.

Matt: Oh.

Eric: I’d have to – yeah. Give it a few years. I’ll tell you when you’re older.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay.

Eric: And then I’ll – you know.

Andrew: So, I’m not really totally cool with this reason – there’s no battle of Hogwarts because there’s another battle in Movie 7, because think about all the other movies. Think about Lord of the Rings. You know, there’s a big battle. Think about all the Harry Potters. There’s always some big sort of battle. Maybe it’s not so generic like the battle of Hogwarts, but saying that – I mean, do battles not translate well from one movie to another? Because it translates fine from one book to another.

Micah: Well…

Laura: No, I…

Micah: …it probably costs a lot of money, too.

Andrew: Mhm.

Laura: Yeah, that’s what I think it is.

Eric: Well, and not just to jump quickly to that, I think that my review on MuggleNet reflects my happiness with their treatment of the whole story of Book 6, and I think by making that decision to not do – let’s just say the Battle of Hogwarts for right now – choosing not to do that big battle of Hogwarts, they didn’t have to make the whole movie sort of lean towards – to build up to this crazy Battle of Hogwarts. Instead, they’ve made the cave scene really sort of the climax…

Andrew: Hmm.

Eric: …and Dumbledore’s death itself has been a climax. And there’s no real distraction from that, that they’re able to jump right into the emotion of everything without this Battle of Hogwarts, which, let’s face it, who died in that? I mean, Bill got his face kind of scratched pretty badly, but nothing really productive happened as far as the plot. It’s essential to the book. It makes sense in the book, and in the movie they didn’t do it. But at the same time, I thought they were able to spend that time that would have been taken up by some big battle at Hogwarts, in which no one dies, to spend more time on the plot of Book 6 and get some more of that stuff in there. In the movie.

Andrew: That make sense. Because as long as the cave scene’s the climax, that makes sense to me. Because when I think Half-Blood Prince, I think about the cave scene.

Eric: You don’t think about the Hogwarts sort of…

Andrew: No. But, Laura, what’s your issue with it? Initially, when I read this, you sort of grunted in a way.

Laura: It – well…

Andrew: Maybe not grunted, but…

Laura: I mean, I’m honestly more annoyed about the fact that they leave Dumbledore’s funeral out. I mean – I don’t know…

Andrew: There’s not a second one of those. [laughs]

Laura: Right, you don’t get another one of those.

[Eric laughs]

Laura: So it’s just…

Andrew: You only get one death.

Laura: Right.

[Eric laughs]

Laura: He can’t come back and die again so that we can have a funeral in the next movie.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: I think it’s a legitimate…

Matt: Yeah, yeah.

Eric: Yeah. But did they – I don’t know if they filmed part of it, too, because I heard a quote from Natalia Tena from the – from one of the Comic-Cons. One of the fans sent in a report that said that she had expressed her disappointment that the – it said that she expressed her disappointment that the Dumbledore’s funeral scene was cut. I guess that means that it was cut from the script and not actually partially filmed or anything.

Andrew: Yeah, it’s…

Eric: But logistically…

Andrew: …not in there at all.

Eric: This is what I said before. Logistically, getting all those actors, even many of the characters we haven’t even seen before…

Micah: Well…

Eric: It could just be extras, but I think it’s – Dolores Umbridge, for instance, will have – Imelda Staunton will have a lot more to do in Movie 7.

Micah: Yeah. And what’s the cost associated with bringing back those actors and actresses just for that one scene? I mean, you have to imagine that there’s going to be a lot of people that would have to be involved in that, and they’d have to start paying salaries to those people just to show up for that one spot.

Laura: Yeah, but you don’t have to bring all those people back, though. The whole thing is about Dumbledore’s funeral. It’s not about who’s there for it. So you get a bunch of extras, you get all the students, and you have the professors. I think that’s…

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: …perfectly adequate.

Andrew: I agree.

Eric: Well, if that’s true, they have the students and the professors. There’s no need for…

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: …anything different than what they actually ended up doing in the movie.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: Really? Well, I guess we can’t really say more without…

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: …spoilers.

Micah: But, Eric, I have one more question for you, though, about this Battle at Hogwarts. You said that them cutting it out seemed to work well with the movie, but did they also leave out sort of the after effects of Dumbledore’s death, where Harry is running after Snape? Because I thought that is a crucial part…

Andrew: Ooh.

Micah: …leading into Book 7.

Eric: I’ll take the broader question on that…

[Micah laughs]

Eric: …so as not to spoil everyone. The after effects of Dumbledore’s death are not in any way skipped over. It’s still very important to the film and important to the ending.

Matt: Oh good.

Andrew: Good. That’s good to hear.

Matt: We’re not going to see another scene where just Harry just starts screaming, “He was your friend!”

[Laura laughs]

Eric: You – no, what movie’s that from?

Laura: The third one.

Matt: The third one, Prisoner of Azkaban.

Eric: That’s right, that’s right, that’s right.

Andrew: All right, well, there was more to be said by David Heyman. HPANA, the Harry Potter Automatic News Aggregator, asked him, “How are the screenplays by Steve Kloves coming along for Book 7 – Movie 7?”

Matt: Mmm.

Andrew: Heyman said, “They will be very faithful to the book. One of the pleasures of having the time to make two films means we will be able to go into more detail than we might otherwise have been able to do. If we had only done one film, we were concerned that we might have to remove the Deathly Hallows.”

Laura: What?!

Andrew: “We never went that far, but that would have been something that might have had to come out, which would have been terrible. The script is coming along well. I have read the first half of the adaptation. I have not read the second half. That should be coming in the next few weeks.” So it seems like they already know where the split is, that means.

Laura: Mhm. Yeah.

Matt: Cool. Cool, cool.

Micah: It bothers me, though…

Laura: Wait…

Micah: [laughs] …that they would even consider leaving out…

Laura: Consider – yeah.

Micah: …the Deathly Hallows. That’s the name of the movie.

Andrew: That’s so wrong!

Micah: I mean…

Andrew: Yeah, they’d have to rename it.

Laura: Harry Potter and…

Matt: Harry Potter and the Last Book.

Andrew: Harry Potter and Voldemort.

Laura: Do you think they would have renamed the movie?

Andrew: Well, wouldn’t they sort of have to if they cut out that whole plot?

Matt: They would have to if they cut out – yeah.

Eric: Well, I think what he means too, is a lot of the backstory too, and think of all the creative things they’ll be able to do with the tale – maybe even the Tales of Beedle the Bard, getting that – getting the story put to film, “The Three Brothers.”

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: Who knows if they’ll do that? I mean – you know. So, they could have gone into elaboration. They might have the Hallows but not be able to explain it.

Andrew: Harry Potter and the Quest for the Horcruxes.

Eric: Well, it’s like having the Marauder’s Map and not learning who the Marauders are.

Andrew: Right, yeah. Or Sorcerer’s Stone not having the Sorcerer’s Stone in the plot. It just doesn’t make sense.

Micah: Yeah, and it…

Eric: No, I mean in the movie we didn’t learn who the Marauders were.

Micah: His statement here though, is…

Laura: Yeah, but the movie wasn’t called Harry Potter and the Marauder’s Map.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Eric: Oh, okay. Still a plot-hole.

Laura: No, it is. It’s not as significant.

Matt: Well, if you want to go with plot-holes, we’ll be here all day with the movies.

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Oh, it’s true. It’s true. Right.

Micah: And his statement here is the complete opposite of what he answers with the other question that we just looked at earlier. He’s saying here, “Hey…”

Andrew: “It’d be terrible to cut stuff out”?

Micah: Yeah, exactly. We – this is basically him saying, “We’ve screwed up so much in the first six films that we have to go ahead and make sure we cram everything in these last two, because if we don’t…” But then, yet, you look at the fact that he goes out and leaves the Battle at Hogwarts at the end of Half-Blood Prince out. He leaves out…

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: …Dumbledore’s funeral, and yet in the next question he’s talking about having to put as much in as possible. You know, it – which one is it? I mean, do you really care that much?

Matt: Well, what are your guys’ opinions?

Eric: Well, a lot of stuff separately happens in Book 7 that doesn’t necessarily make complete sense telling a linear story. A lot of stuff happens for a lot of separate different reasons. Sure, Harry is hunting down the Horcruxes, but all the separate scenes in that movie – I can’t imagine what it would be like cramming that all into one film, showing them here at this location and here at that location.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: The movie would’ve been a mess!

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: It would have been an utter mess. There’s a lot of stuff – guys, I should tell you now, what I did just today and yesterday, I reread the last seven or so chapters of Book 7. I loved it the second time around, by the way, guys, but I wanted to say that just reading the Battle of Hogwarts scene, it goes on forever, and that alone could be a two and a half hour movie. I would want it to be, and thinking of all the renegade plots, all the things that the trio goes through before they get back to Hogwarts, which is essentially where we left off – where I picked the book back up again, that’s a lot of stuff, and…

Matt: Mhm.

Eric: Yeah. So David Heyman is saying that he is – that they’re going to have to be totally faithful, is – may not even mean that they have to get all the dialogue right and all of everything else right. They just mean they have to show what’s actually happening in the book.

Andrew: Mhm.

Matt: Mhm.

Eric: Because of all the – because of the time freedom.

Matt: Well, they also probably – David Heyman is probably also meaning with “we have to be very faithful to the book” is that if they cut one – the scenes in the book are so crucial for the whole plot-line for the entire book. If they cut like one thing in the movie they’re going to have to cut a few other things that which will have to cut more things, because one scene leads to this or that, and then the next scene will lead to something else. It’s just – you can’t just cut one thing because then you’re cutting other plot twists and turns in the book as well.

Micah: Yeah, and not only that, you’re having to cram in whatever you left out in the previous six films. Like the fact that in Movie 5, they couldn’t take two minutes to put in something about the locket, or in Movie 6 they couldn’t put anything about the diadem that Harry had seen when he was in the Room of Requirement. So by not even alluding to those things in the last two films now, you have to go back and explain to the audience how Harry could possibly have any clue what those items are and where they are. And that’s a huge thing to undertake.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s true. All right.

Eric: It’s very true.

Andrew: Let’s move it along. What else is going on, Micah?

Micah: Oh, we’re still on news? It’s like the other episode where…

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, that’s what I’m saying.

Laura: It won’t end!

Micah: …45 minutes later we’re going to come back to – we’re still going to be doing the news.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]


News: Even More Movie 6 Pictures


Micah: Oh, well, Christmas came earlier for me, and it just keeps coming every day of the week. And it’s great. All these pictures from Half-Blood Prince. I can’t get enough of them.

Andrew: It’s about quitting time now. I’ve had my fair share.

Micah: I mean, they – how many different calendars can you make here? It’s beyond belief.

Eric: Well, what do you guys mean? What do you mean, Micah?

Andrew: There’s a slew of calendars coming out, and I have to say, WB must be kicking themselves for all these, because I’m sure if they would have preferred all this stuff comes out next year, but now we’re getting all these pictures and stuff way early before the film comes out. I mean, here we are a month and a half before when it was supposed to come out, if – when in reality these are coming out, what, eight months ahead of time? If these pictures were coming out in March, WB would have had a fit! If these pictures were coming out eight months before the November release, they would have had a fit. So we saw nothing in March. We saw, I think – I think in March we had that one single picture of Harry holding the Half-Blood Prince book. Actually, no.

Matt: God, that seems so long ago.

Andrew: I think that one came out in January. But yeah, it just – you know. So I’m sure they’re really annoyed by all this. [laughs]

Matt: I think March was when we saw the trio at the fireplace, when Ron was holding walnuts or something?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. So…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: It’s just a lot now, so I think it’ll…

Micah: It’s just beyond at this point. There’s…

Andrew: It’s got to come to an end.

Micah: …no reason to keep releasing these. I think a lot of people are just fed up, because if you’re going to do anything from this point forward…

Andrew: Well, I don’t think anyone’s fed up.

Micah: …just release another trailer of some sort.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I think that would be more worthwhile.

Eric: I don’t think they can control it, because they’ve licensed all these other companies to produce all these other calendars and things internationally, and all that was set for that schedule, to be released in November. It’s just like the game, the video game, you know. Everyone was pushing for it. So these calendars are produced. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were already even mass produced, that they have a bunch of them that now cannot be sold. So it’s kind of impossible for them to stifle the images that are going to come from people who see these calendars…

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: …and want to scan them for us, you know. It’s not WB releasing these images so early, it’s all these people who have access to these unreleased calendars.

Andrew: Right.

Matt: Right.

Andrew: And that’s why WB hates it so much, because they really have no control over it.

Matt: So everything is all delayed and stuff. Yeah.

Andrew: They’re out now.

Matt: [gasps] Is the yarn delayed as well?

Andrew: No, I think the yarn’s been printed. We’re safe on that.

Micah: Well, if you were one of these companies wouldn’t you be pissed off too? That you have to wait on this product now for another eight months, or…

Andrew: Who’s waiting though? Who’s waiting though? I mean, just EA is.

Micah: Well, they’re not going to sell these calendars before the release date.

Andrew: Yes they are.

Micah: They are?

Andrew: They’re coming into the hands of people, yeah!

Micah: Oh, okay.

Andrew: Yeah, they’re already – they’re going out. They’re going out, baby!

Matt: Bring it!

Andrew: Out like a dog.

Matt: Bring it.

Micah: That’s going hurt them come release date too, though, don’t you think?

Andrew: Yeah, but…

Micah: I mean, they’re not going to be able to sell as much because all the stuff’s going to be out already.

Andrew: But I think they prefer the holiday season market over the summer.

Matt: Yeah. That’s going to be kind of weird, though. I mean, has all, like – has, like, the Goblet of Fire calendar – was that released during the year that Goblet of Fire was released?

Andrew: It’s usually like a 16 month calendar where you get half the year in.

Matt: Oh. Well, we’re going to get the entire year that it’s out.

Eric: Yeah. Well, they’ll just make a 2010 calendar then.

Matt: Yeah. a 2009-2010 calendar.

Andrew: [laughs] Just rearrange the pictures. Yeah, I’m looking – the wall calendar was released October 1, the desk calendar, according to Amazon, it’s not out yet. But the wall calendar is and so is the day-to-day calendar. So…

Eric: You know, I don’t think it’s the worst thing in the world to have a day-to-day calendar that you can peel back…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …and it has a slightly new image of a movie you haven’t seen yet.

Andrew: Yeah. No, it’s cool.

Eric: I mean it’s kind of cool.

Andrew: The mini wall calendar came out in September, the poster book’s coming out in November, so I think we still have – actually no, we already saw pictures from the poster book, so. It’s just a slew of Half-Blood Prince for the holidays. Okay. And what else, Micah?


News: Film Printing Press Replica of Actual 100-Year-Old Press


Micah: Well, the Daily Record reported back on Tuesday that a 100-year-old printing press is being replicated by Deathly Hallows film producers for one of the scenes.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Oh right.

Micah: And the owner of this printing press, David Phillips, was pleasantly surprised when he was invited to Leavesden Studios to help the producers come up with a design. And he’s got no idea what it’s going to be used for, but I guess some of us can offer our thoughts.

Andrew: Yeah, I think this is pretty cool that they’re actually putting this much effort into a printing press. It almost makes you think that they’re going to have a lot of focus on this scene.

Eric: Mm. Yeah, like possibly. This scene – well, what is that scene in the book? The Xenophilius Lovegood scene is what we speculate. We speculate that it’s going to be The Quibbler‘s printing press.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah.

Eric: So that scene would only further – well, first of all, it goes to support that’s where we find out about the “Tale of the Three Brothers.”

Andrew: Right. Right. Yeah.

Eric: But also, possibly a subplot…

Andrew: I mean, there’s going to be a lot with this.

Eric: Yeah. And also, possibly the subplot that they’re taking – you know, that they took Luna and are blackmailing Xenophilius Lovegood. So two good things, two good big subplots come out of that scene that we now think that they might be paying a lot of attention to.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: I mean, they basically – I bet someone writing the thing, or the producers, had to say, well, who’s the – who owns a 100 year old printing press? You know, who’s the guy to talk to? And they called this guy up who’s never really heard about them, and never been associated with them before. He just happens to have this old printing press. They call him in on a consulting basis. It just shows the effort that they’re putting into this.

Matt: Yeah. Well, it’s a big scene. I mean, it’s the scene that we find out why the story’s called The Deathly Hallows.

Andrew: Let’s do a little math here, too. If they already are getting this printing press design, you would assume that’s for the first script if the second script isn’t ready yet. So that means…

Eric: That movie’s in pre-production. I mean – or something.

Andrew: Yeah, but, you know, you still – you would cut stuff out of the – you wouldn’t do this until after you have the final script, I would think. Maybe?

Eric: Unless you know that this will be made into all copies of the script, to show the printing press. Things like props.

Andrew: Yeah, I guess it’s important, yeah. But anyway, if we could assume that they’re doing this just because of that, just because it’s in the first script and the first script is ready to go…

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: …then we’re looking at – it’s going past “The Silver Doe,” which some speculated that might be where it cuts off.

Eric: Mmm. Interesting.

Andrew: So, just something to think about there. Eric, you could be right, though. Go ahead, Micah.

MuggleCast 159 Transcript (continued)


News: Rowling Backs Labor Party


Micah: One of the last pieces of news was that J.K. Rowling has donated close to two-million dollars to the Labor Party, saying she was motivated by Labor’s record on child poverty and opposed the conservative plan to give tax breaks to married couples.

Andrew: Ouch.

Micah: Her donation will boost Gordon Brown as he tries to calm unrest among party members at Labor’s annual conference.

[Law and Order theme begins playing]

Andrew: That’s a lot of money. We know what party she’s on.

Micah: [laughs] Yes, I have a feeling you would know who she was voting for here in the United States if she was an American citizen.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Is the Labor Party the equivalent to Democrats?

Laura: Well, they’re not, like, exactly the same, but they are the liberal party.

Andrew: Well, that’s something, because here in America you would never see a celebrity donate so much – any money to a party.

Laura: Oh no, they do. They do.

Andrew: Really?

Laura: Oh yeah. Celebrities donate tons of money. I bet you could find somebody.

Andrew: Well, yeah. I mean, a lot of artists go out and support – yeah, I guess they don’t do it as publicly, though, too. Because you don’t want people not seeing your movie because you’re, you know, Republican, Democrat, whatever. And last story of the day, Micah Tannenbaum.


News: Exclusive Scholastic School Market Edition of Sorcerer’s Stone


Micah: Well, we talked about Sorcerer’s Stone a little bit at the top of the news, but apparently they’re coming out with an exclusive Scholastic School Market Edition, that I guess is strictly for groups that are going to be ordering – or schools that are going to be ordering this special edition. Is that what it’s going to be?

Andrew: Yeah! It’s cool! Yeah! It’s the exclusive Scholastic School Market Edition, so a lot of S’s in there. But it’s a cool cover, and I’m really surprised that Scholastic is shaking it up this much with all these new covers for the first book. And this one was also illustrated by Mary GrandPre, which is cool. It’s got Harry, Ollivander, and Hagrid in Ollivander’s wand shop. So it’s cool, it’s cool! We don’t have any good sized images of this yet but hopefully we will. Somebody will get a copy and then send it in.

Micah: So a lot of schools and libraries will probably be ordering this edition, and I’m sure people are going to try and get their hands on it as well. Collectors mainly.

Laura: Doesn’t it kind of weird you guys out that when we all have kids they’re going to be reading Harry Potter in school? Like, it’s going to be an assigned book.

Andrew: I know!

Laura: And they’re going to…

Andrew: I hope it’s an assigned book.

Laura: Yeah, and they’re going to come home and they’re going to hate it by sheer virtue of the fact that they’re being forced to read it, and that’s just going to make me sad.

Andrew: Yeah. It’s amazing to think how many more generations of people still are yet to fall in love with Harry Potter. It’s just surreal. It’s generation after generation. Is that it, Micah?

Micah: That is it. I’m done. I’m leaving. See you guys.


Announcement: Podcast Alley


Andrew: Okay. [laughs] It’s time for some announcements. Don’t forget to vote for us on Podcast Alley. It is MuggleCast Moctober. It’s a very important month for us.

Matt: Yes, very.

Andrew: It’s the sweeps, so please vote for us. Everyone’s doing a great job, so thank you so much.


Announcement: Waiting for Podcast Awards Nomination


Andrew: Another thing: we nominated ourselves in the 2008 Podcast Awards. We nominated ourselves in the entertainment category, and we should be hearing soon if we got some of the top nominations so we can actually be in the running for the award. So, thank you to everyone who helped nominate us.

Micah: Isn’t it the 19th? Is that right? That we’ll know who is going to be able to be voted on?

Andrew: Did they post an update?

Micah: I think so, yeah. It says October 19th at 4PM Pacific time.

Andrew: Ooo. I’ll be tuned in.

Micah: So 7PM for you East Coasters.

Andrew: I’ll be tuned in. Yeah, so. All right, well, cool. That’s good! So just over two weeks. Two weeks from today.

Matt: Wow!


Announcement: Azkatraz Newsletter


Andrew: So, thank you for that. And, another thing, something really exciting that I was informed just yesterday; Azkatraz 2009: we’ve been talking about it a lot, and they’re going to be sending out their very first newsletter soon, and it’s going to have a very exciting MuggleCast related announcement in it. So sign up for the Azkatraz newsletter. It’s HP2009.org. And put your e-mail address in and the first newsletter’s going to have something cool that, frankly, no podcast has ever done before.

Matt: No, actually, no.

[Andrew, Laura, and Micah laugh]

Matt: That is right! No.

Andrew: So it’s very exciting, and I guess once they announce it then we’ll talk about it more.

Matt: It’s going to be epic!

Andrew: If you do want to register for Azkatraz early, which we do suggest – that’s a very good idea – under referral, put “MuggleCast” or “MuggleNet” so that…

Matt: Oooooo……

Andrew: ….way they know – no, this is serious.

Matt: Oh, sorry.

Andrew: That way they know where you’re coming from. So, thank you very much for that. And like I said, sign up for the newsletter.


Announcement: Ministry of Magic Elections Are Going Strong


Micah: I just wanted to… [laughs] …wrap up some announcements with the Ministry of Magic election, just talk about that real quick and say that it’s going strong. It seems like people are really enjoying it, and for as crazy as this whole concept is, it seems like people are getting into it, and we’re getting into our second week, actually, starting on Tuesday.

Andrew: This week is Molly versus Horace and Kingsley versus Minerva.

Matt: Ooh, Kingsley and Minerva.

Andrew: It’s good. I like these battles. It’s interesting to see how people – what people think. Next election’s October 7th…

Micah: Tuesday.

Andrew: …on MuggleNet. Tuesday.

Matt: Tuesday, October 7th.


Muggle Mail: A Person Against Seeing Movie 6 Early


Andrew: Okay, let’s move onto Muggle Mail. I hate to say it, but we’re still having feedback form problems, even using the MuggleNet feedback form. There’s something wrong with it, and Damon’s looking into it and hopefully have it fixed soon. But we have two e-mails right here and these focus on the Half-Blood Prince movie. First one from Skyler. She writes:

“Hi, I’m just giving my thoughts on the early ‘Half-Blood Prince’ screening. If I had the choice to go, I don’t think I would’ve. I would not have wanted to wait two additional years to see ‘Deathly Hallows.’ The push back of the complete ‘Half-Blood Prince’ movie is enough already. Another reason I would not go is for the imaginative part. When you see a ‘Harry Potter’ movie, you get sucked into the movie, and you seem to be right alongside the characters. See the movie go from special effect to blue screen would ruin that for me. Thanks. Love the show.”

Matt: Ehhh….

Andrew: So there’s someone saying, I don’t want to see it early. And, frankly, I agree with everything she had to say, because seeing it now is just way too early.

Matt: Yeah, but I mean, you would still see it.

Laura: Yeah, but it – okay. But if somebody came up to you on the street…

Matt: Because, I mean, if you knew…right.

Laura: Yeah. And said, “Here, I’ve got tickets to this…”

Matt: If they had the – if they originally had Half-Blood Prince in July of 2009, and the premiere for, what, Order of the Phoenix came out – so you would be going – would you wait a year after Order of the Phoenix was released because you didn’t want to wait two years for Half-Blood Prince to be released?

Andrew: No, I just think there’s something about spoiling – not having all that hype to look up to.


Muggle Mail: Optimistic About Movie Release Date Moving to July


Matt: Next e-mail:

“Hey there! In the last month I’ve been hurting like everyone else that the sixth ‘Harry Potter’ film is not going to be released in a few months. But despite the disappointment, I have to say that I’m not so angry anymore. I’m not here to rebuttal your feelings because they’re just that, feelings. But I feel that very few people are taking this in an optimistic way. However, I’m taking it in a different view. According to all the testimonies, like Eric and Jo’s, we are in for a treat. Sure, it was a major disappointment. Sure, its former release date is being replaced by ‘Twilight,’ which, sorry, is not my cup of tea. And sure, we have to wait for basically a year until we can see the finished product. But can you imagine how wonderful of a movie this is going to be after a year? I think we should sit back and look at this with excitement besides anger. Another thing: when we see the final three seconds of the final film, and the theater lights up, and the movie is over, so is the excitement felt every year throughout the fandom, whether it be for the book or the movie. Despite the disappointment we all felt to hear the movie had been pushed back, I think of how utterly abrupt the end will come, regretting it couldn’t have lasted longer. I say amen for an extra year. The anticipation lives on. Sophie.”

Andrew: Here’s an e-mail that WB knows would’ve come eventually, because, like everything, everything blows over. And here’s just a great example of a fan, who I’m sure was frustrated at first, like she said in her e-mail. But, you know, like, I’m sure they thought, “Oh, it’ll blow over. Everybody’ll be fine with it.” And she’s right. The anticipation in the fandom does last longer, which is always good.

Laura: Yeah. Well, I mean, fans are going through the five stages of grief. They’ve started with anger and now they have moved on to acceptance.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: Well, you know what? It’s that way with a lot of the fandoms. It’s not just Harry Potter. I mean, it’s other fandoms as well. A lot of the fans get upset when things change or something just doesn’t go the way they thought of it. Their initial reaction is very, you know, extreme. And after a time it kind of boils over a little bit.

Andrew: I miss the days when we were debating when Book 7 was going to come out: 2007 or 2008.

Laura: I know.

Andrew: Let’s bring that back.

Laura: It’s such a different, like – I mean, I hate to say it – Like, I’m not saying that the fandom’s dying or whatever, but it was a very different time for the fandom. And I really do miss that, because there was an excitement that we don’t really have anymore. It’s sad.

Andrew: Yeah. Think about how much better the fandom timeline to this pique would’ve been, because we had a movie and a book last year. Imagine if, you know, we had the movie last year, the book this year, then the movie the following year, then two more movies and two more years. It would’ve been great.

Matt: Yeah.

Laura: Do you remember when we were debating and we were like, “Oh!” – I think it was Jamie and I, who were like, “Oh! Book 7 won’t come out in 2007. It’s going to be 2008.”

Andrew: Yeah. I remember that.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: And Jamie made the infamous, “I’ll bet you…” He’ll…

Laura: He would eat…

Andrew: …eat 50 sausages.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: I think that was it.

Laura: He never did.

Matt: Yeah. I remember that episode too. I was listening to it. Laura was like, “She can’t finish that book in a year. She can’t. You don’t understand the writing process.”

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Laura: Okay, I did not say that.

Matt: [laughs] Yes you did.

Laura: No, I didn’t.

Andrew: It’s a fair case. It’s a fair case.

Laura: No, I was just saying that I thought it was somewhat unreasonable for people to assume that she could write a 600 page book in a year. She exceeded my expectations.


Main Discussion: What Happened After the Battle of Hogwarts


Andrew: I agree. Speaking of Book 7, it’s time now to get into our main discussion. And this is a good one. I’m excited about this. Everyone is, I think. What happened after the Battle of Hogwarts in Book 7? And, you know, we’ve talked so much about the battle and everything surrounding the book, but what happened after the Battle of Hogwarts? And that’s what we’re going to discuss now. We’re going to discuss the future. And first I have to give credit where credit is due. We – this discussion idea came from the COS forums, Chamber of Secrets forums. They’re MuggleNet’s official forums. They have fantastic discussions there all the time about Harry Potter. So if you want to get in some good discussing, I would definitely recommend COSForums.com. You can try an online discussion about this too.

Matt: It’s definitely a venue for a Harry Potter fix.

Andrew: Oh Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Okay, so we’re going to start off – I mean, should we do a summary? Everyone knows what happens at the Battle of Hogwarts.

Matt: Yeah, everyone knows. We even talked about it after Chapter-by-Chapter.

Andrew: Yeah. All right, Eric, you’re back now? You’re all good now? Eric had a little fall out.

Eric: I’m back. I’m all good. I’m on my laptop now.

Andrew: Little BSOD action. So, the Battle of Hogwarts was a very happy time and it was a very sad time.

Matt: It was the best of times and also the worst of times.

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: Actually, it was lunch time.

Andrew: [laughs] No, it was breakfast time…

Eric: Oh. Psh.

Andrew: …because it ended in the morning.

Laura: Fail.

Matt: Actually, it was breakfast time in the U.S.

Andrew: Yes.

[Matt laughs]

Laura: What?!


Immediately Following the Battle: Happy or Sad?


Andrew: So first question: after the battle – and most of these questions focus, like, directly after the battle. Do you guys think everyone grieved or do you think the happiness outweighed the sadness? Because, you know, like I said, it was such a happy time and a sad time. You have to wonder what takes control. After Harry killed off Voldemort. How does everyone react? Is it just a quiet time, where everyone’s just looking around each other and hugging, or is it cheers and celebrations, or what?

Matt: I think it’s a mixture of both.

Laura: Yeah. Didn’t it say after it was all over that they all sat down at the House tables? Like, isn’t that kind of weird? They all just sat down at the tables together.

Eric: Yeah. Yeah, they didn’t sit by Houses, they were just kind of all mixed up.

Laura: Yeah. Everyone just sat down.

Eric: The point I wanted to make, too, is that everyone – during the Battle of Hogwarts there were periods of time where everyone – I mean, basically there were two separate periods of time where everyone had the ability and the time to pick up the dead and bring them into the Great Hall and do their sort of grieving. You know, I mean once – it’s sort of in between the battling there was all that time where people were taking those who had fallen in battle, and taken them into the Great Hall, which is where everyone was grieving, sort of, even during. So, at the end of the Battle of Hogwarts, it makes sense to me that – I mean, there’ll still be plenty of grieving to do, but if you’re asking whether or not it’s a celebration or not, surely with the Dark Lord’s battle and the Harry versus Voldemort, you know, final confrontation, it’s got to be an
overall – really rewarding, I would say, if anything…

Micah: Mhm.

Eric: …rewarding, you know? And can I also say that the writing around this time, the press, the newspaper, those stories have got to be sort of the best news that anyone can bring. That there were…

Micah: Mhm.

Eric: …plenty of casualties. It’s not a particularly happy time in any reason, but everyone can be relieved. I mean, there was that statement – there’s actually a statement in the book which explains how Kingsley Shacklebolt was made temporary Minister of Magic and stuff. So, all that sort of stuff is happening.

Andrew: Oh yeah, I love that kind of stuff.

Eric: Yeah, yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: So that’s in the book. So there is sort of a – it’s progress, it’s what now? You know, re-building. It’s really this big air of re-building.

Matt: Yeah. It’s also kind of – I don’t want to say grieving, though – but – and I hate, you know, really comparing it to other book series, but in Lord of the Rings, after the big battle in it – are you guys familiar with it?

Laura: Yes.

Matt: At all? Well, the characters going home after the big war was over, it was just so hard to go back to the way everything was. I think one of the characters – there was, like, a quote saying, “How can the world go
back to the way it was when so much bad had happened?” And you just got to wonder, like, what the Wizarding World was like after – really after Voldemort really
wrecked havoc. I mean, he did the first time until he was defeated, quote un-quote, but now that he’s dead – but that huge battle. I mean, just all those lives
that were affected by it. And also there were students and it affected them so young. I mean, we have to sit like – they were kind of traumatized too…

Laura: Yeah. Well…

Matt: …about the whole thing. How they view things now and what they take from what they witnessed and everything.

Laura: Yeah. Well, I mean I imagine that there would have to be a great deal of pain involved. I mean, there’s no doubt about that. You just look at examples like the Weasleys, who lost a son.

Matt: Yeah, well…

Laura: You know, it’s…

Matt: …the Weasley’s lost a lot.

Laura: Yeah. It…

Matt: The whole war – the first and second war of it, they lost a lot of Weasleys. I mean, granted they had a lot to spare, but…

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Awww! That’s terrible!

Eric: Spare your Weasleys?

Micah: Yeah. I think the grieving period would be probably pretty long and drawn out. You know, just for them to pay their respects and have all the
proper services for all the people that had gone. I don’t think there would be that sort of sense of happiness until they were maybe a couple of months
removed from everything that happened.

Eric: I…

Matt: Mhm.

Eric: I don’t know about that. See, again, they had that time to do – I mean, they really did grieve a lot during the time when Harry was in Snape’s Pensieve, and
then, you know, viewing Snape’s memories.

Micah: Mhm.

Eric: That was an hour. Then Voldemort gave him to come back into the forest. And then all that time that Harry went into the forest and had that thing with Voldemort, before Voldemort said, “Harry Potter is dead.” All that time has passed where they’re in the Great Hall. Yes, they’re waiting, scared to figure
out what’s going to happen next and when battle comes back, but they – they’re having that time, so in the end you know that the – you know that the people didn’t die for nothing, because you’ve just seen this extraordinary battle in the Great Hall between Harry and Voldemort, and Voldemort is finally dead. For good. Completely dead. His body is right there in front of you, nothing mysterious about it, he’s gone! And…

Matt: Mhm.

Eric: …there just has to be this such overwhelming – because nobody more will die, and…

Matt: Right.

Eric: …no matter who you lost, especially if you’re the Weasleys, you know that nobody more will die, and I think that good cause will completely – they’ll still
be upset, and you’re right, Micah, in mentioning that they have to have all sorts of services. That’s true and it can’t be easy and it can’t be fun or happy, but
I think, overall, they’re going to be relieved, I think.

Matt: Oh yeah, there’s a huge sigh of relief after this, but…

Micah: They were doing what they could with the time that was given, though, and there was that sense of not knowing what was going to come, so they had to
grieve as fast as possible in the sense that you were talking about, because they didn’t know if, you know, fifteen minutes from then they turned around and were
going to be dead themselves. So there was a little bit of that, but I just think that when you look at all the people who died in, you know – Matt mentioned
students before – there’s a good chance that their parents, and other siblings, and people like that weren’t there at the time that it happened, and they have to go through that whole process…

Matt: Mhm.

Micah: …of…

Matt: It’s almost like soldiers coming back from the war. You know, going back to their families that just really can’t, you know, reach out to them anymore after what they’ve seen.

Andrew: Yeah. Plus, I’m not sure how happy they may have felt, because I’d like to argue that they don’t know what could be coming. There still could be more
to come. Or maybe they could have figured that Voldemort, you know, by some really odd way actually didn’t die or had some freaky way of coming back. Because, you know, if he can split his soul into seven parts, who knows what else he can do, especially if, you know, he were to die. But…

Eric: I don’t think at that time it was any question. That’s just…

Andrew: Well – yeah, but you can’t feel totally complete because you’ve got to remember that the Death Eaters are still out there too. But, I mean, you know, I guess there is never no 100% peaceful world ever, in any world. So…

Micah: I think there would be more relief than happiness, probably.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, I don’t think happiness is the right word.

Micah: We’re not talking party here.

Matt: Mhm. I think it’s more like relief. You know, it’s finally done and over after all the suffering, but…


The Original Weasleys


Andrew: But here’s a random stretch at one of those seven relations that I was thinking up when you guys were talking about the Weasleys. Technically, there’s like seven Weasleys, because Molly was not a Weasley originally.

Eric: But there’s not.

Andrew: No, there’s nine including Molly…

Matt: She’s a Weasley.

Andrew: …but if you don’t include Molly because she
wasn’t in the family, that means one dies so there’s seven. It’s the number seven.

Eric: No, there’s…

Matt: But she made, like, half a dozen.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: No, I don’t care if there’s nine. I’m just saying that she married into the Weasleys.

Eric: What about Arthur Weasley?

Micah: Yeah, he helped.

Eric: Ooooh.

[Laura laughs]

Matt: Would you consider Harry a Weasley?

Andrew: No.

Laura: No!

Matt: He’s married into them.

Andrew: No. And I don’t. That’s why I don’t count Molly.

Matt: Even if they include him as a family?

Eric: What about Rose and Hugo? They’re Weasleys too.

Matt: Yeah.

Laura: At that point they didn’t exist.

Andrew: What I’m saying is that they’re original Weasleys.

Eric: Your logic is flawed.

Matt: The original Weasleys…

Andrew: Oh, whatever.

Eric: The original Weasleys lived a thousand years ago.

Andrew: Sorry I’m thinking outside of the box.

Matt: The original Weasleys. God, we could even call the Malfoys original Weasleys because they’re related to them somehow.

Eric: Yeah, yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: I’m saying they’re not – I’m saying Molly’s not related…

Matt: Nope. No, no, your argument does not hold water.

Andrew: Yes it does.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: I’m sure people will e-mail in and support me.

[Laura laughs]

Matt: Don’t. [whispers] Don’t do it.

[Laura laughs]


Harry and the Malfoys


Andrew: Another question: Did Harry speak to the Malfoys after the battle? And if so, what did he say? There’s only one thing I can think of. Awkward!

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: Well, yeah, because doesn’t Malfoy owe him a life debt?

Andrew: Well, yeah, there’s even a mention of that in Book 7, that – towards the end – that Draco sort of just like – he gives him a look, right?

Laura: Yeah, he gave him a nod.

Eric: Yeah, he nods curtly. That was in the epilogue.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. What do you think Draco’s feelings toward Harry were?

Matt: [laughs] Embarrassed!

Eric: Well…

Laura: I’d be embarrassed.

Eric: …the whole thing is, too – yeah, like, Narcissa Malfoy is the single reason that Voldemort was defeated. If you’re going to look at it, she could have ratted Harry out as not – you know, she said to Voldemort that he was dead and Voldemort went up to
the castle then. So Harry owes – I mean, Narcissa just wanted to know if her son was safe, and Harry said he was, and so Lucius and Narcissa – it said at some point in the battle, they’re just walking through the Great Hall calling their son’s name. They just need to find Draco; that’s all they care about. And so they get to be a family, and Voldemort is defeated, and so if Harry did speak to them – I mean, I just think the events of the evening speak for themselves, that Harry was helped by Narcissa, that Draco was helped by Harry and Ron, that in the end the evil was conquered, and it would be kind of awkward, but I think that some real kind of forced respect – you know, like in the beginning when they say when – in Book 1 when it’s – that there are a few things you can’t do without becoming best friends, and knocking out a fully grown mountain troll was one of them. Well, you have to have respect for sort of what has gone after all they’ve suffered.

Matt: Mhm. That, and also going back to when it’s about embarrassment, is that Malfoy doesn’t only owe him one, he pretty much owes him three life debts…

Eric: Yeah.

Matt: …if you think about it. They saved him in the
fire, they saved him from being killed by a Death Eater, and Harry pretty much saved his life when he told his mother that he was safe, because he was going to get killed anyway by Voldemort, because technically he’s still in the castle, which means that he’s on the other guy’s side, the good side.

Eric: Yeah, you’re right.

Matt: So he’s saved his butt three times.

Micah: Yeah, and one thing that I did was I looked up this chat that J.K. Rowling did after the book was released, and somebody asked her, did Draco and Harry lose their animosity towards each other when Voldemort died? She said not really. There would be a kind of reproachment in that Harry knows Draco hated being a Death Eater and would not have killed Dumbledore, but similarly, Draco would feel a grudging gratitude towards Harry for saving his life. So…

Andrew: Yeah. This reminds me, do you guys ever feel bad for the bad guy after they already lose at the end?

Eric: In like any book?

Andrew: In any book or even any movie.

Laura: I…

Andrew: You know, there’s this sort of just, like, eh…

Laura: I have sympathy for the bad guy who isn’t a bad guy through and through. You know? I mean, yeah, Draco, he is not a good guy, but at the same time we see that he has some moral compass, like… [laughs] …I mean, he didn’t want to be a Death Eater so I felt bad for him in the sixth book, yeah.

Andrew: Me too.

Laura: But Voldemort? Hell no.

Eric: Is it a Golden moral Compass, Laura?

Laura: Yes…

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: …Eric, that’s exactly what I meant.

Matt: It’s fun to know that…

Andrew: When you see Draco being ashamed.

Matt: …that was probably the perfect punishment for the Malfoy family, is utter embarrassment and shame.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: Absolutely. But gratitude that they’re still alive, you know, to feel those things.

Matt: Pretty much mercy-ed to being alive by the people that they loathe is kind of… [laughs] …I don’t know what to say.

Eric: It fits.

Matt: Yeah, it does. It’s a perfect ending for their chapter.


Did Harry Tell All?


Andrew: Here’s a question I’ve always wondered: did Harry tell anyone exactly what he had been doing for the past year?

Laura: Oh.

Andrew: Because, you know, at the end he sort of – of every book he sort – he kind of reveals what was going on. Like with The Sorcerer’s Stone, he told everyone, didn’t he?

Matt: I mean, he probably wrote an autobiographical book.

Andrew: Dumbledore did.

Matt: I mean, he had a lot of time on his hands.

Laura: Yeah, I was going to say, he wrote a memoir…

Matt: Yeah.

Laura: …like in Burn After Reading.

Matt: Harry, My History.

Andrew: Harry, A History.

Matt: Yeah.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Well, remember, he takes Ron and Hermione aside and tells them exactly what happened in the forest right afterward, but everyone else pretty much heard what was going on in the battle, because he, at one point, says to Voldemort, “No more Horcruxes,” you know, and there are all sorts of adult wizards there who would know or have heard of Horcruxes before who can discern then that that is what happened and, certainly, somebody will tell someone, word will get out, and they’ll know sort of how exactly Voldemort had been doing everything that he had been doing. Because in that talk between Harry and Voldemort at the very end in the Great Hall, that sort of – everything is more or less given out. All of the back story, things like – even Snape loving Lily is completely made public of when…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …Harry shouts it to Voldemort.

Andrew: I would also think that the public – there would be a demand from the public about what happened. Specifically…

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: …specifically…

Laura: Yeah, there would be some kind of commission, really.

Matt: Everybody would want to know Harry’s story.

Andrew: The Voldemort Commission.

Matt: Harry’s…

Andrew: That would be published.

Laura: Yes.

Matt: Harry has to write an autobiography.

Laura: Hey! There are commissions published on national tragedies here, too.

Andrew: Yeah! No, that’s what I’m saying. The 9/11…

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: …Commission Report, specifically. That’s what I was thinking of.

Matt: The 9/11…

Andrew: Commission Report.

Matt: …Commission. Yeah, that’s awesome. Good connection.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Someone should write that – should write up, like, a report style of what happened. That would be kind of cool.

Matt: Yeah. That’s your listener challenge.

Laura: And then we should do a documentary on it.

Andrew: Documentary, yeah. Let’s see.

[Micah laughs]


Dumbledore and Snape


Andrew: What’s next? Do you guys think he told everyone the truth about Dumbledore and Snape? And if – and here’s a good point – if so, how? How the hell do you, you know, explain that to someone?

Eric: What do you mean? What is this question even asking?

Andrew: Well, because everyone wondered. I think…

Eric: What truth?

Andrew: …there was a lot of debate, even in within Hogwarts, if Snape was a good guy.

Laura: Didn’t Jo say that Harry cleared Snape’s name? I’m pretty sure…

Micah: Yeah, I think…

Laura: …she said that in an interview.

Micah: …she said that he would ensure that a portrait of Snape would hang in the Headmaster’s office.

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Micah: So I think that that would sort of…

Eric: That’s good.

Micah: …at least as far as Snape is concerned, put to rest any sort of questions that people had about him. And then Dumbledore – who knows if – I doubt he
shared – maybe with the exception of Ron and Hermione – what he went through at King’s Cross.

Andrew: Yeah. Or even…

Eric: That’s true.

Laura: Yeah, that’s private.

Andrew: …about Grindelwald and all that. Do you think Harry would’ve ever revealed that sort of information, or is that personal stuff that Dumbledore more would have appreciated?

Laura: That’s personal.

Eric: It’s very interesting.

Andrew: I mean, it’s a good question, and Harry certainly has a good book deal out of all this information if he were to do a thing like that.

Eric: Congratulations, Mr. Potter. You get a book deal.

Andrew: So.

Eric: But the Snape thing was something else that was already cleared, sort of, in the Harry/Voldemort discussion at the end. Snape’s name was more or less cleared. “He was a spy for” – you know – “He was a spy for you, but he was really Dumbledore’s” etc., etc. “You don’t know a thing, Tom. You don’t know anything. Don’t you know anything?”

Matt: Tom.

Eric: “Haven’t you been listening…”

Matt: Tom.

Eric: “…Tom?”

Matt: [sings] “Tum Tum Tum Tum Tums!”

Eric: Tom.


Time with Teddy, Time with Ginny


Andrew: Yeah. And in good Harry fashion…

Eric: Next question!

Andrew: …somebody would assume that Harry probably would’ve went to see Teddy Lupin as quickly as possible. Do you guys think that was one of his priorities or what?

Laura: Yeah, I think so. He seemed really…

Eric: Because he…

Laura: …really hyped and very honored about being a godfather.

Matt: Well, I also think that he wanted some time with Ginny, too. I mean, geez.

Andrew: Finally!

Eric: Mmm. Yeah. Where does that come on the list? Where does that come on the list? Does he visit Teddy or does he…

Andrew: Which came first?

Matt: Visit his girl? I mean…

Andrew: Well, yeah. I think his – Ginny, you know, would definitely be a quicker person to get to…

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: …you know, visiting. I mean, you know. And plus, Teddy was very young at that point, you know.

Matt: Mhm. And he has to find out where exactly…

Laura: Yeah, I mean, Teddy…

Matt: …you know, where Teddy is.

Laura: …wouldn’t – at that point, Teddy wouldn’t remember that he was second best, so…

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Matt: Do you remember you were second best?

Andrew: That’s also really one of the sadder stories, but I think, as one of us brought up on an episode a while ago, that really did bring the story full circle,
Teddy losing his parents, so…

Matt: Mhm. Teddy seemed to be okay. Wasn’t he making out with somebody?

Andrew: No. Teddy’s a baby.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Matt: Oh, no. In ten years later, I thought that Teddy was.

Laura: He was later.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Eric: No, in the epilogue Teddy was making fun of Victoire.

Andrew: Oh, yeah. Victoire.

Laura: I don’t think he was making out with anybody ten years later.

Andrew: This is after the battle discussion.

Matt: Ugh!

[Laura laughs]

Matt: Well, that was after the battle!

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Right after, I said.

Matt: No, you didn’t specify the time.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: [laughs] Nineteen years after.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Yeah, this is right after the battle.

Matt: I wonder how quickly they rebuilt Hogwarts. I mean, just use a little magic wand…

Andrew: It was…

Matt: …and everything goes back, or…?

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Did Hogwarts Finish Out the Year?


Andrew: Well, I’m glad you asked that because it goes into our next question. Did Hogwarts finish the year? Did everyone join in to help rebuilding it, or do you think they just, you know, cancelled the O.W.L.s and N.E.W.T.s and they were, like, go home for the year?Because, I mean, in all fairness, though, the castle wasn’t in such bad shape that people couldn’t learn.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: And with magic they could have cleaned it up really quick.

Eric: There’s so much…

Matt: Well, it’s really hard to think that these students can go from this huge, epic, big battle of their time and then the next day they’re learning history of wart-remover or something. It’s…

Eric: Yeah, they’re not going to – there would’ve had to be a definite period of time. I mean, with the timeline of the film, it was towards the end of the year anyway.

Matt: Hogwarts does seem to be a little lenient, though, on like their final exams and stuff. Like, in Chamber of Secrets they cancelled their final exams.

Eric: It’s the least of their worries. If you remember, all the students, or most of the students who were underage, were sent away from the castle to escape and be safe somewhere else. You know, they’d either – you know, I think the big pull would be to get those people to their families and to get the people who were killed to their families, and, really, I think that would’ve been a massive effort. The Ministry of Magic being constantly reformed would have, you know, provided aid.

Matt: Mhm.

Eric: And all sorts of stuff would have happened. A) the rebuilding of their only school in England, you know, plus everything else. It just – it would’ve been a massive project that, even with magic, wouldn’t have been completed in a day.

Matt: You would think, though, like the students – and during that huge battle and living afterwards – that the school would at least let them not take, like,
Defense Against the Dark Arts or something. Like if they lived through that, they know what they’re doing a little bit. I mean – shoot.

Laura: Yeah, you just passed your Defense Against the Darks Arts exam.

Eric: No, you always have to teach it. Constant vigilance, Matt.

Matt: Yeah, well, I mean, History they have to teach, because no one’s going to remember that. But…

Eric: No, constant vigilance. You got to teach Defense Against the Dark Arts all the time, because they’re constantly improving. Now that the secret is out, now that everyone knows about Horcruxes, what’s going to be next?


What Harry Did Next


Andrew: What exactly did Harry do next? Did he move into Grimmauld Place, or move back to the Burrow for a couple weeks? I think he would have moved to Grimmauld
Place.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: I think that’s a very special place for him.

Matt: Definitely, because he’s got Kreacher there.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: It’s his. It’s his place.

Andrew: But not just that. I mean, there’s memories of Sirius there. There’s even memories of Snape there. Even Dumbledore. [laughs] Obviously.

Matt: I like to think that Harry…

Eric: Yeah.

Math: …had a good – I mean, grew a really fondness for Kreacher and they both had a really good relationship, living arrangements.

Andrew: Yeah, obviously, yeah.

Eric: Harry says something in Book 7 about Kreacher making him a sandwich…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: …after it’s all over. It’s towards the end. Because all the House-elves come out of the kitchens with knives and things, and…

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Matt: No.

Eric: …attack all the Death Eaters. You guys remember that? Yeah. And Harry’s like, “After this, I hope in my four-poster bed…”

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: “…he can come and make me a sandwich.”

Matt: A cheese sandwich.

Eric: That’s what he says. It was very cool.

Andrew: Grimmauld Place is really a great place for Harry too, because he must have so much reflection there. Because so much of his life changed because of events and planning that occurred in that place.

Matt: Well, I mean, also, I would kind of like it if he had a vacation home at his parents’ house. I mean, now that everything’s okay, he can move back, can’t he? Oh,
that’s right, it exploded!

Eric: In case you didn’t know, it was kind of…

Matt: Yeah, well, he can re-grow it. I mean, geez, if they rebuilt Hogwarts, they can rebuild Godric’s Hollow.


Voldemort’s Body


Eric: Actually, that’s a question I had. Because Voldemort’s body was there, wasn’t it? Like, Voldemort says he…

Matt: Voldemort’s body’s everywhere in this book.

Eric: …was ripped from his body that night. So, I mean, it’s not enough that Voldemort – they did take Voldemort’s body to one of the towers. They separated it from all the good victims and put it somewhere. We don’t know what exactly happened to that. Which kind of leads into the next point: did everyone have a proper burial? But, you know, just finishing this thought, Voldemort’s body was at Lily and James’s house the night it – or was there some kind of – did J.K.R. say something against that? Apparently J.K.R. said his body disappeared.

Matt: Yes, his body disappeared.

Eric: So there isn’t two corpses of Voldemort hanging around.

Matt: No, no. There’s only, like, one. The other one was just like, “Okay, I’m done.”

Eric: So what do you guys think they did with Voldemort’s body then? The new body.

Andrew: Burned it.

Laura: Kicked it.

Eric: [laughs] Kicked it.

Andrew: Sent it into SVU.

Eric: Then burned it.

Matt: Had a little pinata party.

Andrew: I don’t know, you can…

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: Oh, that’s sick.

Micah: Made a little sushi.

Andrew: You can…

Eric: I’m going to ask.

Matt: Ew!

Andrew: It’s a good question, though.

Eric: Pinata party, sushi…

Andrew: I mean, you can’t bury the guy. You can’t give him any sort of funeral.

Matt: I think…

Laura: They send his off Viking-style.

Matt: …with formalities they had to bury him or something. They probably just put him in the backyard, or something, of Hogwarts.

Eric: No, they stuffed it and it’s now in the Weasleys’ living room.

Matt: Ew.

[Micah laughs]

Laura: Like chilling on the couch.

Eric: No.

Micah: There’s a good Top Ten. Somebody come up with the top ten things that could have been done with Voldemort’s body.

Matt: Yeah, that’s a good idea. Yeah. No, no, no, no, send it. Send it…

Eric: Like, that leads into our…

Andrew: Actually…

Eric: …debate, actually.

Andrew: Yeah, but…

Eric: Kind of.


Remembering the Deceased


Andrew: …before we get there, I would love to see like a sketch by Jo or Mary GrandPre of a memorial that was resurrected at Hogwarts to recognize all those
who did die. Can you imagine, like, a giant – like a fountain or some sort of…

Matt: Like a memorial thing?

Andrew: Yeah, that’s what I said.

Matt: Oh. I’m sorry, I wasn’t listening.

Andrew: Or some sort of statue or something. That would be really cool to see.

Matt: Mhm.

Micah: Or they could even devote an area in Hogwarts to everybody who was killed.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Like the Dungeon.

Micah: I think that would be really…

Andrew: The Potions room?

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Another discussion, I think, that something will turn into a debate, is – maybe even as soon as next episode – is whether all the Houses should’ve become one, because there’s a question of unity after this big battle. A lot of readers and fans were saying that they should’ve all united and turned into one House, but then that raises some questions. I think it would be an interesting thing to debate. But we can save that for another time. Do any of you, wonderful MuggleCast co-hosts, have any other questions about what happened after the Battle of Hogwarts? Okay, so, listeners, if you have any ideas – if you have any questions about what happened after the Battle of Hogwarts, send them on in to mugglecast at staff dot mugglenet dot com. We’d like to know what your thoughts are. And give us your answer about some of the questions we’ve brought up, or questions you have, and we’ll read them next time in our rebuttals.


This Week in MuggleCast History


Andrew: So now it’s time for This Week in MuggleCast History. This is going back to MuggleCast 115. It was in early October. It’s just last year. Micah, you remember when it took you four months or whatever to see the film, right?

Micah: Which one? Order of the Phoenix, right?

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah.

Micah: I thought you were talking about Half-Blood Prince.

Eric: He still hasn’t seen Goblet of Fire.

Micah: This is pay back, I’m thinking. Warner Bros. heard that I didn’t go and see Order of the Phoenix when it was first released, so now they’ve delayed Half-Blood Prince.

Andrew: Well, like I said, dude, you wouldn’t have…

Eric: Eight months for your schedule.

Andrew: Yeah, you wouldn’t have seen it until July anyway. So I don’t know what your problem was.

Micah: That’s true. Yeah, that’s about right. Yeah.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay, so… [laughs] …here’s a moment from that. [makes time machine noises]

Laura: So, Micah.

Micah: So, Laura.

Laura: After Jamie and I – we railed on you a little bit last week for not seeing Order of the Phoenix, didn’t we?

Micah: Yeah, you did.

Laura: Yeah, we gave you a pretty hard time. But I have to say that after last week’s show you did the responsible thing that any MuggleCaster would do, and you went and saw the movie. So, just in a nutshell, what did you think of it?

Micah: Overall, I thought that it was done pretty well. I didn’t really like the pace of it too much. I thought it went a little too quickly, and, not that these movies don’t have to go quickly, because obviously they have to cover a lot, but I thought that…

Andrew: [makes time machine noises] Wah wah wah.

Laura: Wah.

Andrew: So, there you go. There’s Laura’s hosting skill, shining right through.

Micah: Yeah. Like any respectable host, I went and asked Kevin Steck for a copy, and he sent it over to me, so…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: You didn’t even go to the theater!?

Micah: I didn’t go to the theater, no.

Andrew: That’s right. Can’t believe that.


The Debate


Andrew: Okay, well, up next is a segment that we have not done in a long time, and this is a segment that people have really wanted to see come back, and I think we’re very happy to bring it back now. It’s debate time! There’s not even a segment name. It’s just called The Debate. And this is a segment Ben started a while ago, and people loved it. So we’re going to get back into it. But we have a very fun topic.

Micah: Were you inspired to get back into it because of the vice presidential debate that was on Thursday?

Andrew: Yes. I want to be Sarah Palin too.

Matt: [imitating Sarah Palin] We are so excited…

Eric: All right. The debate topic for this week’s debate: a portrait of Voldemort should be hung in the halls of Hogwarts.

Andrew: Yeah! Woo!

Eric: On the side of the affirmative, saying that a portrait should be hung in the halls of Hogwarts, we have Andrew Sims and Matt Britton.

Andrew: Team Win! What!?

Matt: You going down.

Eric: On the non-affirmative, meaning negative, that a portrait should not be hung, we have Micah Tannenbaum and Laura Thompson.

Laura: Boo…for the portrait.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: Both sides…

Andrew: Wow. Good enthusiasm, Laura.

Matt: Geez.

Laura: No.

Andrew: Oh. [laughs]

Eric: Both sides have…

Matt: Take a Percocet.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: …two minutes to explain and express themselves, and then a one minute rebuttal period will be granted for anyone to say what they want to say about the other person’s stuff. Okay!

Andrew: Excellent.

Eric: With no further ado, let’s go to the affirmative, Andrew and Matt. You have two minutes. It’s on the clock. Get ready, on your marks, get set…hang on.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Get more set.

Matt: Should we go first?

Eric: Two seconds.

Matt: Or should we go second?

Eric: Are you ready? You ready?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: You go first. Okay. On your marks, get set, go.

Matt: Because.

Andrew: All right. Well, Eric, first of all, I’d like to thank you for hosting this panel tonight, and I’d like to thank…

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: …Skype for hosting us all.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Andrew: Can I call you Eric, by the way? Just…okay.

Matt: Stay on topic, please.

Andrew: Okay.

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Lord Voldemort was the greatest – was one of the greatest wizards of all time. He battled numerous people and nobody could stand in his way. Except for Harry Potter, but that’s besides the point.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: Lord Voldemort deserves a portrait in the halls of Hogwarts. That’s why Matt and I stand resolved.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: He has made such a huge difference in the Wizarding World. This guy, he changed everything in the world. It was the Wizarding World’s 9/11. And I’m not even kidding! He changed everything.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: So – go ahead, Matt.

Matt: Okay. [imitating Joe Biden] Well, Eric, I have to say that Voldemort did great things. Great things for the Wizarding World. They’re terrible things, terrible. But they were great things.

[Eric laughs]

Matt: [imitating Joe Biden] And, Eric, what we’ve got to really decide is that Voldemort did pretty much – [back to normal voice] well, he did do a lot. He did a lot of things that wizards never did, never could accomplish, and he did them. Whether they were good or bad, he did them. And whether he was evil or not, he does need some recognition for it.

Andrew: And he was a student at Hogwarts! Hogwarts taught this guy so they should recognize him. Let the students throw eggs at it – whatever! Filch will clean it at the end of the day.

Matt: And we can’t say that all the wizards that were in the portraits were good. I mean, we have Salazar Slytherin, and he was a jerk.

Andrew: Yeah. He needs to be recognized for his accomplishments.

Matt: Yes.

Andrew: And, sure, not everybody would agree with it. But look…

Matt: It would definitely need to be protected because people would vandalize it. But still.

Andrew: He changed everything. And I think Slytherins would be very happy to see his portrait hanging up there. And I think Dumbledore would be, too.

Eric: Time! Excellent. Okay, that was a bit scattered, but mostly to the point. Personally, I feel it would be a bit creepy to have a Voldemort poster, but I’m sure that the great Team 2 can say it better than I can. So we’re going to go for the negative. You have two minutes. Opening statements: go.

Laura: Okay, well, I mean first and foremost: Voldemort is a killer. And I’m going to go right out here and say, a lot of our points are interrelated, but I think this one stands for itself. There’s not one instance in which a school or any kind of institution would find it appropriate to place a portrait of a previous student who later turned out to be a mass killer. Yeah, you can say that he’s one of the greatest wizards of all time, but there are plenty of other terrible people who did extraordinary things. Remember, as Ollivander said, he did great but terrible things. And we can’t forget the severity of the situation. I think it’s also important to remember, for comparison’s sake, that the U.S. has also trained – or in this respect, taught – people who later turned out to be very evil and did terrible things to us. But we don’t have portraits of them on our walls just because they changed the world.

Micah: Yeah. And the other thing is, Hogwarts, he was responsible for deaths at the school both during and after his time as a student there. You look at Moaning Myrtle, you look at the Muggle Studies teacher that he was able to extract from Hogwarts and then torture in Deathly Hallows. I mean, he has no remorse for anybody, especially people at that school. Yes, it was a great source of refuge for him, but at the same time, look at what he did to the people who were there. He even staged the final battle on the grounds of Hogwarts.

Laura: Right. And speaking of Hogwarts, he’s against everything that Hogwarts stands for. It’s supposed to be a place where students of all different magical backgrounds are welcome to gain an education. And Voldemort was famous for promoting segregation between purebloods and everyone else. So it would really hurt the morale, I think, of the student body to give any sort of honor to this guy, who not only widely promoted ideals of segregation, but also actively pursued a course to make those ideals a reality. So…

Eric: Time! Time, time.

Laura: …yeah. Sorry. [laughs]

Eric: Excellent. Very well reasoned, guys. And now it’s time for my inquisition!

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: Don’t we get to all talk together, too?

Eric: Yeah, yeah. Okay, well…

Laura: Yeah, don’t we get a rebuttal period?

Eric: Yeah, you get a rebuttal. Okay, one minute rebuttal period. Andrew and Matt, you guys, your time starts…

Matt: Well, don’t we talk over each other?

Andrew: No, no, no, no, no. Okay, you guys brought up that Voldemort staged a battle on the grounds of Hogwarts. This is exactly why there should be a portrait! Like I said, he changed everything! Nothing will ever be the same again because of him. You guys also said that Voldemort promoted segregation. So do the Houses in Hogwarts! This guy was just promoting what was going on in Hogwarts. Hogwarts was corrupted, and Voldemort should be recognized for realizing these things that nobody else was bright enough to realize. I mean, look at these Houses! Look at the Gryffindors and Slytherins! They were at each other’s throats. Look at these Quidditch matches. All they do is promote anger within the school when one team loses to another’s team. What did Voldemort do? He was angry. He was angry at the half-bloods and the Mudbloods – well, mostly the Mudbloods. He didn’t accept this. Matt.

Matt: Yeah. I agree.

Andrew: I mean, the portrait, frankly, should be hung at the very entrance of the school. Because anyone who enters the school immediately thinks of Voldemort and what he did to this world. Remember…

Eric: Time!

Andrew: …Voldemort was segregation.

Eric: Time! Time! Time!

Matt: I didn’t get to say anything.

Andrew: You had nothing to say!

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Eric: Okay!

Micah: [laughs] All right.

Eric: Rebuttal period. Laura and Micah, you have one minute. On your marks, get set…

Micah: All right.

Eric: …family double dare.

Micah: But, Andrew, by your reasoning then, they should hang pictures of Hitler in synagogues and a picture of Osama Bin Laden at all 9/11 memorials. I mean, the idea that this guy did what he did and should be honored for it in some capacity is absolutely ridiculous. Teaching about him in the school is one thing, honoring him with a portrait is a completely different one. I mean, you look at what happened at Durmstrang when you had these rogue kids who put the symbol for the Deathly Hallows up on the wall and vandalized the school. Look at the kind of reaction that it elicited from the students over there. I don’t think that you can have that type of, you know, honoring of someone who is responsible for so much. You can teach about him, absolutely, but putting him up on the halls of Hogwarts is ridiculous.

Laura: Yeah, and I will also say that you can’t compare student rivalry to genocidal rage and murder. I think they’re two completely different things.

Eric: Five seconds.

[Laura and Matt laugh]

Laura: I’m done.

Eric: Oh, so confident! Okay. That ends both the main discussion and rebuttal period. Now it’s time for my inquisition. Yes, yes, Lord Voldemort did great but terrible things. Certainly his reign of terror has earned him status as one of the most powerful and powerfully terrifying wizards of all time. But you don’t see them hanging portraits of Adolf Hitler in synagogues, do you? And certainly his – there must be some contempt for the evilness of all of his atrocities. Certainly not in an inviting school setting such as the main entrance hall, by any means, would be appropriate, certainly considering many of the students’ ancestors, or parents even, siblings, and teachers’ children were killed in that final epic battle. So finally, I have, in fact, reached a verdict over this debate segment, and it will be right after these messages.

Laura: Thompson-Tannenbaum ’08.

Eric: And we’re back. And the verdict is: Laura Thompson and Micah Tannenbaum have won. Negative; there should not be a portrait of Voldemort at Hogwarts.

Andrew: Oh! I agree. I agree.

Laura: Thank you, Eric.

Micah: [laughs] You agree?

Andrew: You guys are right. But it was a fun topic to debate.

Laura: You know what? Yeah.

Matt: Actually, I’m on the fence now.

Micah: People, send in your thoughts.

Eric: I think you guys have won the debate, but that’s not to say I didn’t think there was something in here. When you guys first came up with this topic, or borrowed it from CoS Forums, I thought that there should be a portrait of Voldemort at Hogwarts because of studying him, and, you know, in the name of prevention, and trying to figure out exactly what made him that, and bringing people closer together as a result of what has happened, that there should be books about him and all that stuff, which there will obviously be, but I always thought that maybe a sentient portrait, you know, magical portraits that can talk and walk and think, should never be made of Voldemort, because that’s pretty creepy. He’d find a way to escape that, wouldn’t he?

Andrew: That’s just creepy, yeah. He would.

Eric: So why wouldn’t they do something like a Muggle portrait. Maybe a non-moving portrait of Voldemort that can’t be cursed.

Matt: We never said that.

Eric: Well, I mean, you think Muggles have them, so they must – just don’t enchant, whatever you do. But I always thought that would be a compromise. But, yeah, so I was in favor of something, but certainly after that great debate by Laura and Micah there, their side, they pretty much conquered it.

Andrew: Well, I still think you guys are losers, but that’s okay. We’ll put a poll on MuggleCast.com to see what everybody else thinks. I have a feeling…

Micah: But they can’t send in their feedback.

Andrew: Yeah, well, send in feedback to – e-mail directly mugglecast at staff dot mugglenet dot com. Don’t use the feedback form unless there’s an update on MuggleCast.com with an update. Okay, so that’s debate. Thank you, Eric, for moderating, and we’ll have you debating next time. Probably next week.

Micah: I’ll moderate next week.

Andrew: Oh, okay. Wonderful.

Micah: So this way Eric can…

Laura: Fantastic.

Micah: …debate.


Guess That Scene


Andrew: Okay. It is time for Guess the Scene.

Matt: Guess that scene!

Andrew: Okay, let’s get right into it, because we are very short on time.

Matt: Okay.

Andrew: It’s been a long show. Let’s hop right into it.

Matt: All right. I’m just going to introduce this because it’s a fairly new segment. Basically, Guess That Scene is that I play a snippet from the soundtrack of the already released Harry Potter films, and the entire panel will have to guess what scene in the movie this is from.

Andrew: Yeah, the rules are different this time. We’re going to do – we’re just all going to guess together.

Matt: Yes, because last time it was kind of too hard one-on-one. Too much pressure.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: Yeah. Plus, really, I’m not good, so that also…

[Song clip plays]

Eric: Room of Requirement. No, Dolores Umbridge.

Andrew: Which one was it?

Matt: He was right.

Andrew: Which one?

Matt: Room of Requirement.

Andrew: Oh. Okay.

Eric: It’s not going to be the first person who answers it, are they?

Andrew: Well, I mean, you got it, so…

Matt: Yeah. I say we see how many – who gets the most right at this.

Andrew: Okay, sure.

Matt: Okay.

Andrew: All right. Good job, Eric.

[Price is Right bell sounds]

Matt: Winner.

Andrew: Okay.

Matt: All right. That’s stupid. Okay. Here’s number two.

[Song clip plays]

Andrew: This is a fast scene. Can we have a hint? What movie?

Eric: The Hedge Maze from Goblet of Fire. The Final Task?

Matt: The what? No.

Andrew: The hedge…

[Music continues]

Andrew: It sounds POA-ish.

Eric: No, it doesn’t. It sounds…

Laura: Is it Order of the Phoenix?

Matt: No.

Andrew: Goblet?

Eric: Is it Goblet of Fire

Matt: Yes.

Eric: …at the end? The third and final task when they’re in the labyrinth?

Matt: No.

Andrew: Oh, is it the Merpeople?

Matt: No. Oh, your time is up.

[Fail music plays]

[Matt imitates music]

Andrew: What was it?

Matt: It was the Death Eater scene at the camp in Goblet of Fire.

Everyone: Ooooh.

Laura: That’s right. I remember now.

Andrew: Okay. Let’s continue.

Matt: Here comes another one. This one better be answered in two seconds. I had to give you an easy one. Here we go.

Micah: Well, Eric’s going to get it, then.

Eric: Thank you for your confidence, Micah.

[Song clip plays]

Laura: Oh, this is Christmas from the first movie.

Micah: Sounds like Christmas.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah. Which movie?

Andrew: It’s Sorcerer?

Matt: Yes.

Eric: Good job, Micah.

Laura: First movie.

Andrew: “Happy Christmas, Harry!”

Matt: Oh, good job.

Andrew: “Happy Christmas, Harry!”

Matt: All right. And here’s the last one.

Andrew: Oh, there’s still one more?

Matt: Yeah. I did four.

Andrew: Oh. Well, hold on, we’ve got to celebrate that one first.

[Price is Right bell rings]

Matt: Yay! Okay, here goes number four and the final one for this segment. Here we go.

[Song clip plays]

Matt: This is a trick one.

Laura: Oh, that’s when the Durmstrangs comes.

Eric: It’s…

Andrew: Yeah, when Durmstrang comes in.

Eric: When Durmstrang comes in, yeah.

Matt: Yeah. There’s two. That’s the trick. There’s two.

Andrew: Two answers?

Matt: They use this in two scenes.

Andrew: What’s the other one, guys?

Eric: The dragon?

Matt: No.

Andrew: I know it, but…

Matt: You got one right.

Laura: Was it Quidditch?

Andrew: Durmstrang comes in…

Eric: Time’s up.

Andrew: The trailer? I don’t know. Why’d you bring it up? Don’t do that. I don’t know.

Eric: It’s pretty creepy, though. It just keeps…

Andrew: We give up.

Matt: All right. It’s when the Bulgarians come in during the Quidditch World Cup.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

[Fail music plays]

Eric: Oh.

Andrew: All right.

Matt: I think Eric won.

Andrew: Good enough. That’s how we play Guess That Scene! All right!

[Price is Right music plays]

Andrew: I love sound effects. Okay.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]


Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul


Andrew: All right, so we’ll wrap things up today with a Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul. This comes from Katie:

“A letter cannot even express how much you have helped me, but here it goes: I began to listen to MuggleCast about two weeks after the release of Book 7. I was hooked immediately and never missed an episode after that. At the time I was going through the stress of junior year and my grandma suffering from Alzheimer’s. My family was, and still is, going through grief. There were nights I would just go break down and cry. Every Sunday I would download the latest episode of MuggleCast and your jokes and voices would calm me down and help me go to sleep. I made it through the school year passing everything, and I always love to think I did it because of MuggleCast. Now, my senior year, I am facing the same situation, but I know that I will have 157 episodes of MuggleCast to get me through the tough time of college admissions and helping my grandmother. I truly love you guys, and I owe you my sanity. Heart heart. Love, Katie.”

Matt: Awww. Katie, that’s so sweet.

Andrew: So that’s very sweet. Thank you, Katie, for that.

Laura: Awww!

[Show music begins]


Contact Information


Andrew: And hey, there we go. It’s the end of the show. We want to remind everybody about our contact…

Laura: Yay!

Andrew: …information before we let you go. Laura, hey, what’s the P.O. Box?

Laura: It’s P.O. Box 3151, Cumming, Georgia, 30028. You should be really glad I can still remember that.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: Don’t forget, we do have a MuggleCast voicemail hotline if you want to call in your questions, comments, or whatever else. If you’re in the United States you can dial 1-218-20-MAGIC. If you’re in the United Kingdom you can dial 02081440677, and if you’re in Australia just dial 0280035668. You can also Skype the username MuggleCast, but no matter how you call us, just remember to keep your message under 60 seconds as – under 60 seconds please. And eliminate as much background noise as possible.

Eric: And, you know, it’s been forever since we’ve heard from Billy Joe, so if Billy Joe could call back…

Andrew: Why don’t we have any crazy listeners who call in a lot with crazy…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: …statements and stuff like that?

Laura: We used to.

Eric: I don’t know. Could be because we like…

Andrew: We used to. [laughs] So they all move on.

Eric: [laughs] We used to.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: They all became normal.

Andrew: [laughs] And don’t forget, you can visit MuggleCast.com for a variety of community outlet links, including our MySpace, our Facebook, YouTube, Frappr, Last.FM, the fanlisting and the forums. Don’t forget to follow us on Twitter, Digg the show at Digg.com, and vote for us once a month at Podcast Alley.


Show Close


Andrew: Thanks, everyone, for listening. We hope that you all enjoyed the book discussion. I think that we did a good job with that. And we’re going to stick with that for a while until ever. Forever. So thanks, everyone, again for listening. Once again, I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: I’m Eric Scull.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Matt: And I’m Matthew Britton.

Andrew: We’ll see everyone next time for Episode 160! Goodbye.

Matt: Bye.

Laura: Woo! Bye.

Micah: 160. Yeah.

Transcript #158

MuggleCast 158 Transcript


Show Intro


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[Harry Potter theme starts]

Jim Dale: [as Professor McGonagall] This is Professor McGonagall welcoming you all to MuggleCast hoping you all enjoyed – Dobby! Dobby, come here! Here! Dobby! [as Dobby] Yes, I’d just like to say how very pleased I am to introduce MuggleCast to all of you! Thank you! Thank you!

[Show music begins]

Andrew: Because game shows! Surgeries! Travels! Oh my! This is MuggleCast Episode 158 for September 15th, 2008. Looking into the future.

[Show music continues to play]

Andrew: All right, we did it! We came back with another show, and some of you guys thought we weren’t going to do it.

Matt: I didn’t.

Andrew: I did.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: I knew it. See, it wasn’t so bad of a wait, was it, audience? [imitating audience] “No, no. It was great!”

Matt: [imitating audience] “No!”

[Andrew says something unintelligible]

Matt: [in a high pitched voice] “We’re going to get the pitch forks out and kill you!”

Andrew: You know, it’s been almost a month now and a lot has happened since we were last podcasting. Micah, you’ve been sort of keeping track, since you are the MuggleCast News Anchor. What’s been going on with all of us?

Micah: Well, you know, it actually has been a lot of different things going on. I don’t think you could possibly put together a more random list of stuff that I have…

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: …right here, but one of our co-hosts moved over to England, be it for a short period of time. One of our…

Matt: Who is this person?

Micah: I can’t reveal…

Andrew: He’s going to tell us later.

Matt: Oh.

Micah: I can’t reveal that. You guys have to – you know, you have to guess.

Matt: It’s a game.

Micah: Yeah, speaking of games, one of our co-hosts was a contestant on a nationally televised game show. I guess they’re trying to move on with their career a little bit.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Micah: One of our co-hosts went under the knife.

Andrew: What?

Micah: We’ll talk about that a little bit later. And another one got their own personal trainer. I don’t know who that was. [cough] Andrew, but…

Andrew: Smart person, whoever that was.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: He’s trying to stay fit.

Micah: And one of them went to a screening of the sixth Harry Potter film.

Andrew: What?!

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: But it’s not coming out until July!

Micah: I know.

Matt: What?!

Micah: How does that happen?

Andrew: No fair!

Micah: I don’t know how that happens.

Andrew: And one of us went to a live Harry Potter podcast that wasn’t MuggleCast.

Matt: Repeat, not MuggleCast.

Andrew: Wasn’t. Dun-dun-dun…

Matt: [makes dive-bombing airplane noise]

Andrew: So we’ll let everyone try to figure out who matches up with what, you know, event. In the meantime, it’s just us three for right now. Laura will be joining us later on. And we’re going to call Eric; his computer’s not working, so we’re going to give him a call and talk to him about which one of those – I almost spoiled it – which one of those he was involved in. I’m Andrew Sims.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Matt: And I’m Matthew Britton.

[Show music continues]

Andrew: All right, so before we get to the news, let’s reveal all these. Which one should we reveal first?

Micah: Well, I think it’s pretty obvious who went to the screening of Half-Blood Prince.

Andrew: Yeah, it was Eric. Of course.

Matt: Of course, Eric. If you have any type of web face – MySpace, Facebook, sort of Twitter-ish…

Andrew: Or just go to MuggleNet.

Matt: Or that.

Andrew: We’ll call him in a bit to figure out what – how the hell that happened.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: How about the game show? Who went on a game show?

Matt: I believe that was me.

Andrew: Oh. That was you?

Matt: Yeah. I think so.

[Price is Right theme music plays]

Andrew: Ah yes.

Matt: Ah yes. That’s right.

Andrew: Ah, it was this one.

Matt: It was that one.

Andrew: [laughs] It was The Price is Right.

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: Matthew Britton, come on down!

Matt: Oh my gosh! Oh my gosh!

Andrew: You’re the next contestant on The Price is Right!

Matt: Oh my God! Ahhh!

Andrew: So we went on Tuesday, this past Tuesday, and we got the interview process. Just a real quick story: went through the interview process, and Matt and I were there and John.

Matt: Noe.

Andrew: Yeah. Our friend John Noe and Bre Bishop. And we were all there, and we all got interviewed in a group together, and, you know, we came out of it feeling really good. We’re like, we both did really good.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: You and I in particular.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Even John and Bre were saying that.

Matt: Because we knew when they were going to interview us. We had to be really, you know, enthusiastic and…

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: …really personable and stuff.

Andrew: We were. We were all over it. So we did really good, but, unfortunately, we can’t tell you the full outcome, but Matt didn’t get picked until the very end – the very last round.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: So you can sort of gather what happened from there, but…. [laughs]

Matt: It was so much fun. I mean, because you – you really can’t hear yourself.

Andrew: Yeah, well…

Matt: You can’t hear them call your name.

Andrew: Yeah, so they wrote it on a big piece of paper, and they flashed it.

Matt: And I got to take the piece of paper with my name on it home.

Andrew: It’s awesome. It’s awesome. That episode will be airing November 5, so if you want to see Matt get called down, and you’ll see me in the audience, flabbergasted when Matt gets picked.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Andrew: And also John and Bre. We’re – if you’re looking out into the audience, we’re in the top left corner. We were all the way in the back corner.

Matt: Literally in the back, but it’s right where the big Price is Right sign is.

Andrew: So you’ll of course see us when Matt gets called down.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Andrew: So anyway. In other news, one of us – the person who got a personal trainer, that was me. It was only for a couple weeks, but I am going to gym now. I’m going to be more active in my life.

Micah: It’s good.

Andrew: Micah, which – thank you – which one were you?

Micah: I was the one who attended a podcast that was not MuggleCast.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: Why? Why? How could you do this?

Micah: Well, you know, it was – it was – I think it was like Wednesday night in the city, and it was after work, and I figured, you know what? I know PotterCast is in town, you know, Sue, John, and Melissa were all there, and I hadn’t seen them in a long time. I think it had been…

Andrew: Sure.

Micah: …not since the J.K. Rowling – it was like a reading, I think, at Carnegie Hall.

Andrew: Yeah. In October.

Micah: So it had been quite a while since I saw them, and it was a good opportunity go listen to them and hang out, and it was a good time.

Andrew: Good.

Matt: Cool. Cool.

Andrew: And Laura was the one who went under the knife.

Matt: That’s right.

Andrew: She had to have a little surgery, unfortunately, but she’s all better now.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: It’s all good. And was that it? Oh no.

Micah: There’s one more.

Andrew: What was the other one, Micah? Yeah.

Micah: One of us picked up and moved to England. I guess that kind of limits the remainder of the hosts to choose from.

Andrew: Elysa.

Matt: Elysa. Yeah. She’s now…

Andrew: At Oxford.

Matt: She’s taking a semester at Oxford in England.

Andrew: Mhm. And funny story: her roommate was actually a girl who came to see us at Portus.

Matt: Really?

Andrew: But it was completely random. Like they didn’t, you know, sign up together or say they want to be together. They just happened to be picked together to be roommates.

Micah: [laughs] Yeah, right.

Andrew: And it’s just – how does that happen?

Micah: She’s just stalking Elysa.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: [gasps] Oh my gosh, Elysa Montfort.

Andrew: It’s crazy. There’s a picture of them together from Portus on Facebook. But that was crazy. So that’s what’s been…

Micah: What about everybody else? I mean – what about Jamie and Ben?

Andrew: Jamie – Jamie’s – Jamie’s getting a job.

Matt: Oh, really?

Andrew: Getting job because he needs some money, so he’s getting a job there in the U.K.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: Ben’s back at Notre Dame, and I think that covers everyone, so that’s what’s been going on with us.

Matt: What’s going on with Kevin? Do we know anything about Kevin?

Andrew: Kevin’s at school.

Micah: No, Kevin’s got a job.

Andrew: Okay. Kevin’s got a job.

Micah: Yes. He has graduated.

Andrew: Oh yes.

Matt: Of course Kevin graduated.

Andrew: I’m living in 2005 still. Well, so that’s what’s been going on with everyone, and we hope all of our listeners have been doing very well as well.


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News: Alan Horn’s Statement


Andrew: And there’s been a lot of news over the past month since we’ve last spoken to you. One of the big things, and there was actually a Muggle MiniCast about this, which was Micah and Eric – Alan Horn issuing the statement about the Half-Blood Prince delay.

Matt: Uh-huh.

Micah: So, I guess, what are your guys thoughts would probably be the best question to ask, because you can listen to 35 minutes worth of Eric’s and my thoughts, but mostly Eric’s thoughts…

Matt: Yeah.

[Everyone Laughs]

Micah: …on the Muggle MiniCast.

Andrew: Well, Warner Bros, actually tipped a couple of the fan sites off beforehand, because they wanted to get this announcement up online as soon as possible, because, as everyone knows, there was this huge fan outrage. I think it was stu – well, okay, when someone from WB called me they were like, “Yeah, keep an eye out, I’m going to be sending you a statement from Alan Horn soon.” And I’m like, oh geez, if they;re letting us know about this beforehand, this must mean they’re doing something for the fans. You would think, because why would they warn us beforehand?

Matt: Yeah, it’s definitely something big.

Andrew: Yeah. So that;s what we thought. But, you know, then we get the statement. I think it was stupid. This is just an apology. It’s just adding more fuel to the fire.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: There was nothing in the statement that could calm the fans down. You know, [mocking Alan Horn] “If I might offer a little silver lining.” It was just ridiculous.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: It was stupid, they shouldn’t have said anything.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: Matt?

Matt: I agree with you on that. But there was this one statement that he said – like, “we care about our Harry Potter movies.” Or something.

Micah: Fans.

Andrew: We care about the fans.

Matt: What?

Andrew: We care about the fans.

Matt: No, they didn’t say “we care about the fans,” they said, “we care about the movies.” Not the fans.

Micah: No, they were talking about the integrity of the films and trying to do the best they possibly could with them. And I think there was also part…

Matt: Yeah, I know.

Micah: …he referenced Harry Potter fans as well. Let me see if I can find it.

Andrew: “Please be sure that we share your love for Harry Potter and would certainly never do anything to hurt any of the films.”

Matt: Right.

Andrew: Yeah. So, the statement was just worthless. We shouldn’t really spend any more time on it.

Matt: It really was.

Micah: Well, I just wanted to go back to what you were saying about the silver lining, because I thought that was the worst part of the entire statement. I felt if he had removed that line of the silver lining where he says that…

Matt: Silver lining – it’s a shorter wait from this movie to Deathly Hallows.

Micah: Right. I thought if that sentence was left out the statement was fine.

Andrew and Matt: Yeah.

Micah: It was overall, like you said, an apology first and foremost. And I just don’t really think it did anything for the average fan. Yeah, it was great that he came out, he made a statement, he’s the president of Warner Bros. You have a very high official doing that because of the situation, but what does that do, having to wait now – what is it? – maybe more like ten months, but even still, nobody is happier about it after the fact.

Matt: No, it doesn’t make anybody feel reassured at all.

Andrew: Yeah, it’s just really disappointing. And then there’s that other news that the push back decision was made about three to four weeks before they made the official decision, which was August 17th. So they had made it between July 17th and August 17th, and just, you know…whatever.

Matt: I wonder what made them want to change it. I mean, if it’s something that happened three to four weeks before, why – I mean, what sparked it?

Andrew: They realized that The Dark Knight was making a ton of money.

Matt: Right.

Andrew: Because that was right after The Dark Knight came out, so, now that’s almost the top grossing film of all time.

Matt: Why can’t they just say that? I really don’t get it.

Andrew: Well, because that comes off…

Matt: The whole Alan Horn statement just dug WB into a deeper hole.

Andrew: Yeah. Anyway – well, no, it dug them a big pile of money, the whole Dark Knight thing.

Matt: Yeah, but I’m talking about hatred from the fans.

Andrew: Well, I think at this point now, mid-September, I think everyone is relatively calm.

Matt: Yeah. Well, because we accepted the fact that there was really nothing we could do except wait another ten months.

Andrew: Yeah. So speaking of Half-Blood Prince, Micah, what was our big surprise among MuggleNet staff members?

MuggleCast 158 Transcript (continued)


Eric Reviews HBP


Micah: Well, the big surprise would be that Eric actually attended a screening of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince last week in Chicago. And it was also attended by David Heyman and David…

Andrew: Alan Horn!

Micah: Horn, yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: You know, it would be interesting to know kind of the interaction that took place between Eric and somebody like Alan Horn. But I don’t really know if he spoke that much with him. We can ask him, I’m sure. But I’m kind of wondering what went on between him and David Heyman, because he said he did have a conversation with him after the film was over.

Andrew: Well, how about this? Let’s find out. Let’s give him a call.

Micah: All right.

Andrew: All right, here we go.

Micah: I care more about that than what he thought about the movie.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: Yeah, honestly.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Phone rings]

Eric: Hello?

Andrew: Hello, Eric.

Eric: Hey!

Andrew: Hey, we’re recording MuggleCast.

Eric: Hey.

Matt: Hey.

Eric: Oh wow!

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: Oh my God, oh my God, I’m going to be on MuggleCast?

Andrew: Yeah…

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: …I know, it’s a first for you. So, we just started talking about the screening. And I guess we’ll ask you a couple questions about it and then, you know, you can get into you’re whole big thing. But first of all…

Eric: Sure.

Andrew: …I think, what every one has been asking, is, Eric, how the hell did you, you out of all the people in the world, out of all the people in the wonderful city of Chicago, end up seeing this movie?

Eric: [laughs] Well, if that’s what everyone wants to know, I mean, I must assure everyone that it was random. I know I got a lot of e-mails myself too, saying “Oh, sure it was random, that you just happen to see that,” but no, really. The story is, I got an e-mail from MovieTickets.com, which is where I buy my tickets. You know, I buy my tickets online…

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: …before going to the movies, at the movie theater, which is where they had – which is where they ended up having the screening. So, through whatever demographic diagnostics they ran, I was one of the guys they sent the e-mail to, saying “There is a screening of a movie. It’s expected to be PG-13.” They didn’t say what it was. We got the call and RSVPed. You can bring yourself and a guest. And I was like, “Okay, well, okay, that sounds interesting.” I didn’t know what it would be. No clue at all. So I called up Kristen. I said, “hey do you want to go see a movie this Saturday?” And she was like sure. So I called them, gave them our name and our age, and then we basically got – they said fine, just show up. Print this thing out and show up at the theater. So…

Andrew: Because, I think…

Eric: Yeah. It was completely random.

Andrew: I think in the past what they’ve done is, they’ve actually just, like, if people are walking in the movie theater, or like walking in the street, they just pull them aside and are like, “Hey, we need help screening a movie, can you help us out?” So this is a….

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: …new, high-tech way.

Eric: Yeah. Well, there’s that too. Someone next to us in line had seen Tropic Thunder the previous weekend and they got pulled aside. So, it was kind of a variety of different ways they got sort of people to show up.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: But they certainly didn’t have a shortage of people. There were a couple hundred there. I don’t know if they had to turn anyone away, but…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: I [unintelligible] did if you RSVP online you get turned away, so I didn’t get turned away though. Yeah, there were – there were tons of people in the theater too. And we didn’t know what it was going to be, and that was actually the shock of it all.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Eric: Because we heard them saying that the demographic was fourteen to seventeen year old girls.

Andrew: [laughs] Twilight.

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: That’s exactly what I thought! I thought it was going to be Twilight.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: We were sitting in line, and the girl in front of us had this Twilight button on and, I don’t know, maybe you guys will get a kick out of this. It said – what was it – “‘Breaking Dawn…'” “I was bitten by ‘Breaking Dawn.'”

Andrew: “Took my breath away,” or something?

Matt: No, “I was bitten by ‘Breaking Dawn.'”

Andrew: Oh, okay, yeah.

Eric: “I was bitten by ‘Breaking Dawn.'” So we we’re like, okay, this is probably going to be Twilight. You know, that’d be cool, ’cause it was still a month away from that. We went into the whole thing thinking it was Twilight, and then, you know, turned out to be David Heyman was walking up the side, and I had seen him on the – was it the Goblet of Fire red carpet premiere that you did, Andrew, where you were on the red carpet and you ran it on an iPod video and put on the feed?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Eric: Yeah, that’s how I recognized David Heyman. I was like, “Andrew met him.” It was like, “Oh my God, David Heyman.” So…

Andrew: So that’s when it hit you. That’s when you realized, this must be Harry Potter.

Eric: Yeah, I vapor locked, ’cause we were in the theater.

Andrew: You what?

Eric: By that time we were in the theater.

Andrew: You what? What?

Eric: Vapor locked. Vapor locked.

Andrew: Oh, okay. [laughs]

Eric: I was just – I was so shocked because we weren’t expecting it, you know. Some one else said they heard that it was next summer’s blockbuster, which was exciting. But they also said, oh – [talking to someone else] what was the other information?

[Female talks in background]

Eric: Oh, that it was filmed in Chicago. So there was all this stray…

Andrew: Batman II.

Matt: [laughs] Yeah.

Eric: …guess work going on. We were like, this is next summer’s Johnny Depp movie? You know, what are we thinking?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Eric: It kind of made sense after we got to the line, and I saw David Heyman, and I was like, “Wow, that’s David freaking Heyman.”

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And he actually ended up sitting, like, three feet from me.

Andrew: Nice.

Micah: So if you had to decided to go to dinner, you would’ve been really pissed off.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Instead of going to the movie.

Eric: [laughs] Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. That – if I would’ve found out – ’cause, I mean, you know, all of – different websites have gotten reports that night even. But if I had not gone to that screening, if I had chosen, well, it’ll probably be just a crap movie, or maybe if, I don’t have any novel interest in seeing this. If I had chosen that, and then found out that there was this screening in Chicago – I did not know that they screened it in Chicago first. Or, because of the delay, would be screening it, you know, any time soon.

Andrew: Right, that’s the really surprising thing. A lot of people were surprised at how early that they screened it. Do you have any idea why? I mean, because a lot of people are hoping now, they’re going to take all this extra time to really enhance the movie and make it fantastic. So do you think that’s why they still kept it, you know, screening in September?

Eric: Yeah. I think it’s – I think it’s a variety of different reasons. Number one, they wanted people to know that the movie – or I guess they wanted people to know – probably one of the added benefits that – to let people know that the movie was in a somewhat completed form, that it wasn’t as delayed as some people were maybe speculating.

Matt: That the movie existed?

Eric: That the movie was delayed because it wasn’t completed or, you know, something like that. It still wasn’t completed. The CGI was, you know, not at all complete and stuff, but I think they wanted – I mean, people will know at least that the movie’s not in any bad shape, so they wanted to sort of maybe [unintelligible] some of the people who are still angry and still very confused and worried out there. One of the other things, I think the reason is, is that they – lost my train of thought, but I think that’s definitely one of the bigger reasons.

Andrew: So you get in there. They announce that it’s going to be Harry Potter. What was the reaction of the audience? Like was everybody like, “Oh My God!”

Eric: Yeah. It was that huge.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: David Heyman didn’t make the announcement. It was one of the associates. You know, they have these guys who don’t work for the theater. They’re independent. I think it’s Movie View, they said. It was like a website I had to go to.

Andrew: Uh-huh.

Eric: But it’s these other guys that come and sort of organize everything and, you know, they pass out cards and surveys at the end of the film and all – but the lights dimmed, and we were expecting Twilight. Somebody else said, “Wait a minute. What if it’s High School Musical 3?”

Andrew: Ooooh.

Matt: Ooooooh.

Eric: And everybody, “Ooooh.”

Andrew: That’s a good idea too. I would’ve been excited.

Eric: Wow, that would suck. And Kristen and I were like…

Matt: PG-13? Really?

Eric: Yeah, well, we were like, we’d walk out. You know, like…

Andrew: Why!?

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: [singing] “What time is it!?

Eric: No, no, no, no. It was crazy though. I mean, when the lights dimmed, no one had any clue, and I really mean that. Some people – that Leaky reader said they were sworn to secrecy but they knew. I don’t believe that for a second. I mean, I think that, really genuinely, no one knew. There was just – ever since the time we got in line for an hour and by the time we got in the theater and the movie started, no one knew. But the lights dimmed and the guy said, “You guys are going to be the first audience ever to see the upcoming Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince.”

Andrew: God, that’s so cool.

Eric: And everyone was in an uproar. Everyone.

Andrew: That is so cool.

Eric: Just absolutely, and there were plenty of adults there. There were plenty of guys that could tell, you know, hadn’t seen maybe even any Harry Potter movie before. I mean, seriously, there was that – they very well managed the diverse people thing.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: The demographics and everything?

Eric: Yeah, the demographics. They totally – and I guess that probably went into the MovieTickets.com thing and, you know, they sort of browsed that database, because they got enough different people there that it wasn’t – or maybe it was just good picking the previous weekend, but they got enough different people there, and I think everyone in the audience really liked it. But we were all just so excited. And I didn’t even believe it, but there weren’t any previews, you know, there weren’t any sort of thing going before the movie, so as soon as he said that and everyone was in an uproar, we had to immediately stifle ourselves because the Warner Bros. logo was flying by…

Andrew: Right, right. [laughs]

Eric: …on the screen, you know, and so it was like completely going into it, so it was just amazing.

Andrew: So were all the special effects finished for the most part?

Eric: No. No, it’s interesting. They – I don’t know what kind of ratio I would say, but there were scenes that were still in front of blue screens.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Eric: Like some of them, which were hilarious.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: And so fascinating. I would not actually change the version of the film we saw because…

Andrew: [laughs] It’s so funny.

Eric: …it’s just – because they have a scene where Dan’s on the Quidditch pitch, because they have Quidditch back in this movie, right?

Andrew: Right.

Eric: And ten or fifteen feet behind him is a blue screen. It’s this blue curtain, you know, and it’s just so amazing because the previous scene, they have the CGI finished. Or the previous shot, or frame, or angle. They have the CGI finished, so you’re on the Quidditch pitch, and he’s talking to the team – or tryouts, I think it was – and he’s talking to them and talking to them, and all of a sudden there’s this shot where he is still, you know, mid-sentence, but there’s a blue screen behind him, and so it’s not off-putting or distracting. It’s the fact that the actors can do that without seeing what we’re seeing.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: You know, it’s the film process like that, and certain other scenes were finished. I won’t, you know, give any spoilers away, but…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And then other scenes were not. It’s just different pieces. It was really interesting.

Andrew: It’s a real – I would’ve said it, it’s a real shame if all the special effects were finished, because then like, you know, then like the movie’s ready to go and you could totally put it out, but it’s actually kind of good to hear that they’re not finished. [laughs]

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: So it’s not like a waste.

Eric: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it isn’t, and that’s the – that’s probably what I was trying to talk about that I forgot about, but having the movie – I mean, if you think about it, they would’ve had to have rushed to completed this deadline had they not known that it was going to be pushed back.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: That it would’ve been – seeing the state the movie is in now, they would’ve needed to have completed a significant amount of things, I would say, to get it out in time. I’m not saying that they couldn’t do it, but the movie was still a bit in pieces, and I think the extra time does give them, as you said, Andrew, that people are hoping they are taking advantage of and people think.

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: Now, Eric…

Eric: Yes, Micah? Who else is on this show, by the way?

Andrew: It’s just Micah, Matt and I for right now.

Eric: Oh cool.

Andrew: Laura will be joining us later I think.

Micah: Yeah, a lot of the reviews that were out there were very negative. Yours was a little bit different. It was – it was positive in nature, and it also kept away from, I thought, spoiling too much of the movies for the fans.

Andrew: Exactly.

Micah: I thought it kind of balanced that really well. But I’m wondering, from you, was there anything that stood out to you more than anything else that you were really happy about for this film?

Eric: That I was really happy about?

Micah: Yeah, because from other reviews that I’ve seen, they haven’t necessarily been the most positive about the sixth film.

Eric: And – and that’s very true. Truer words could not be spoken at this present time, I’ll tell you that much. And all of these – it just upsets me, because when I saw the movie, and I wanted to talk about it, and I wrote up that review that’s on MuggleNet, and I didn’t want to spoil anybody. I – I wanted to give just my absolute, true, happy impression of the movie, and then all of the other reviews were not only spoiling but completely negative. That were ruining complete scenes and nitpicking and just doing all of these horrible things that -that I could not, in a way, respond to without losing a – a good deal…

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: …of the quality that I was trying to do. And it just upsets me that so many people are – are – are angry about all of these changes and sort of how that whole thing …

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: …transpired is very upsetting to me. But overall, I was happy with some of the changes they made. Mainly – well, first of all, I was most happy with the characters. They spent a lot of time, I think – or they showcased a lot. I – I mentioned in my review that Hermione – that Emma Watson, for the first time, jumped out as being my book Hermione in – in a way, which has never happened to me before. You know, usually the sidekicks lines are… [laughs] …or Ron – Ron and Hermione’s lines are changed if different. But seriously, in this – in this – hang on a sec. Yes. In this – in this scene – I mean in this movie, you just get a lot of good characterization among the trio, and you can kind of tell – I mean I thought they were building up sort of toward a Movie 7 sort of thing, because they’ll be focusing on the trio for obviously a great deal…

Matt: Uh-huh.

Eric: …and it just shows how well these actors have grown up and can still work together and still kind of get into their characters. I was happy with that. One of the changes I think, since many people have been spoiled I won’t spoil it, except to say the Sectumsempra scene is in the movie, and…

Andrew: Woo-hoo!

Eric: …not only that, but it’s a battle scene.

Matt: Oh cool.

Andrew: A battle scene?

Matt: It’s a duel.

Andrew: Woo-hoo!

Eric: It’s a battle scene. I will say that, because a lot of people, I mean, are making other spoilers that they’re angry about, and the Sectumsempra…

Andrew: Jerks.

Eric: Yeah, I know, those jerks.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: No, it’s a battle scene. And what it means is – what I mean by that is Harry and Draco – you know, Draco isn’t just crying and then all the sudden gets angry that Harry’s in there and throws a spell at him. It actually is a little bit more elaborate than that. And Tom Felton, my God! They – they give good time for him and he does a good job.

Micah: Uh-huh.

Eric: And this is his last chance to, obviously, but …

Matt: Well, Eric – oh, sorry.

Eric: Yeah.

Matt: I have a question about the reviews that I’ve been reading, and I just – I mean, it may be a spoiler so we may have to cut it out later, but do they – do they cut the entire battle scene at Hogwarts? Because I’ve read two reviews that say they cut it completely.

Eric: The battle at Hogwarts is not in the film.

Andrew: Oh! What? Okay, well, maybe we shouldn’t go into it.

Matt: Okay, I just wanted to know, because…

Eric: Well, yeah, but…

Matt: …I didn’t know if they were going to do it or not.

Eric: Yeah, but I’ll say that to ease your conscious, too, that it’s interesting, too, because you’re probably thinking, well, without a battle scene at the end of the movie, how is the movie anything worth while? How could they stay true to the books the way I claim they have in my review? You know, how does that sort of happen? But I really think they did something really good with it and it’s so interesting that I’m so positive about it when they missed that scene. Something else I’ll say, if we’re being spoiled or cut out or whatever, is Dumbledore’s funeral. A lot of reviews are saying that’s not in it. They didn’t have the Dumbledore funeral scene specifically, but my thoughts on that, while we’re at it, is that they didn’t introduce enough of the characters in the world in the movies, that it would be completely pointless to have all of the characters of the world at the funeral. You know, I just don’t think that that would be anything feasible, anything worthwhile, considering how closed the movies have been.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: But, Eric, despite all this, you believe that this is worth the wait?

Matt: Yes.

Eric: Yeah, I strongly do, despite all of the little nit-picky discrepancies. What they’ve done is they’ve really created this movie that flows that – oh, and Jim Broadbent as Horace Slughorn is a surprised joy.

Andrew: Okay.

Eric: Is a surprised joy. I was hooked from the first [unintelligible] minutes, and he’s a surprised joy in – throughout the whole movie. It works well with him in some Slug Club scenes. It worked, and I was surprised with how many things from the book are in the movie.

Matt: Uh-huh.

Eric: Surprisingly enough.

Matt: Well, Eric…

Eric: The Aragog scene is in the movie.

Matt: Oh, awesome. Awesome. Eric, since this is David Yates’ second film for Harry Potter, what would you say is probably his – what do you think he improved?

Andrew: Do you think he’s improved?

Matt: Yeah. What did he probably improve on most since the last movie?

Eric: I think he improved, and I do think he improved quite well. It’s interesting because he wanted – in the last movie I remember reading an article or hearing an interview with him where he wanted to focus more on the characters. And I just think that he’s done better now. And as for camera techniques too, a lot of people didn’t like the montages in Movie 5, you know, like during the DA…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …scene they would sort of go through the montage of it having been a few months later. They don’t use that technique at all to pass time in this movie. This movie is, overall, not done like that. I’m not going to say not fast paced, because it’s not slow paced either, but you get to know – you feel that a year is progressing. And that may be done the best out of all the films now, is that the movie progresses in a really gradual, not to say speedy, way. That all of the scenes that happen are just very true to the characters.

Andrew: Cool.

Eric: They’re enjoyable to watch on screen. Maybe that’s what I’m trying to say through my whole analysis of the movie, is that it was enjoyable to watch, and I did enjoy the story as if I had never read the book. And then from having read the book, I enjoyed what I saw that I remembered from being in the book.

Andrew: That’s good.

Matt: I’m glad.

Andrew: That’s good to hear.

Matt: I’m really glad, Eric, that people who have never really seen – or read any of the books will enjoy this movie. Is that what you’re saying?

Eric: Interestingly enough – well, that’s what I’m saying, but also the other thing is that this movie caters to the fans, which you’re wondering, how can things be both? But I really think this movie, like – I say it’s great for – I say it’ll be enjoyable to watch for people who’ve never seen, but even more enjoyable for the people who have read the books, because a lot of those things, even the line about knitting patterns -Dumbledore liking the knitting patterns – that’s in it, and it’s oh-so-funny to watch Michael Gambon say that.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Michael Gambon does a great job in this movie. All of these inside things and all of these – they don’t cut corners as they have in other movies, and they don’t go out of their way to make sure that the outside world knows really what’s going on. They’ve sort of gotten to the point where they can say in the story, and this might be what they have to say, but, look, this is what’s happening in the story. They don’t need any extra things about Horcruxes, this is just what’s happening in the story.

Andrew: Cool.

Eric: This is a movie – this is a story we’ve got to tell and a lot of those scenes, I think, are tailor fit for the fan’s enjoyment – for the book reader’s enjoyment.

Micah: So, would you say that they’ve compensated with these smaller, more intricate little plot points – you know, they compensated with that after having cut out some of the scenes that you’ve mentioned. Do you think that they were trying to compensate in that way by saying, oh, we’re going to have to really change, say, the Battle at Hogwarts, say, Dumbledore’s funeral, so, we’re going to do is give the fans something that – who reads the books, so they’re going to know, okay, well, this line was used, or this particular scene was used, or this particular item was included. You know what I’m saying?

Eric: Yeah, I think it’s a great question and I’m going to say that, no, they didn’t say that, because what they found through making the movie is almost – I mean, the movie doesn’t lack Dumbledore’s funeral or the Battle of Hogwarts, it’s just kind of a different – like, I wasn’t looking for it, in a way. I wasn’t looking for the Battle at Hogwarts to happen or Dumbledore’s funeral as much. I think what they’ve done is, they have these scenes, which are so wonderful for the fandom. I don’t think it’s made to compensate as much as it is in line with the story that they’re telling. And the movie that they’re making.

Micah: Yeah, but…

Eric: It’s true that some of these scenes don’t get – sorry, what’s your question?

Micah: No, no, I – what I was going to say is, oftentimes how they tell the story is what the problem is, and it has been in the past with a number of criticisms that the other films have received. So, I guess what I’m getting at is, seeing some of these negative reviews, and I’d hate to dwell on that, but, is a die-hard Harry Potter fan going to go in – can you see some of these fans going in and being disappointed in the film based on what you’ve seen left out?

Eric: It will be very interesting. If the fans can get over themselves enough to go see the movie, I will be more than interested in what they have to say about it. And I mean, I know in a way there will be people who do not like this movie, just as there are people who do not like Movie 5, which I liked. And there are people who love Movie 3, which is more than I can sometimes say. And, you know, I know that there will be people who see and dislike the movie for the scenes that are missing but, having said that, I think that anyone who got into the series through the movies will have automatically more respect, and I think that anyone who has ever seen these movies as a separate item will, in fact, be impressed with how much of the book was brought to the movie, just by these big scenes being cut.

Micah: And what about – just to follow up, as far as plot points are concerned, you know, Horcruxes is one thing that comes up a lot in the reviews. Again, did they do that justice?

Eric: I think that they did. I think that they did. What they will – they’ll probably will have to deal with it, obviously, more in Movie 7, when they have to find the rest. And it will be interesting to see the transgres – how that happens in the movie, as opposed to the book. Because the book that at the point – I think Book 7 towards the end is very, you know, linear, but rushed almost, as they find out things in the order they need to, because they don’t have any more time to really do anything. But in this movie there are scenes, and one of the scenes I would have liked to seen in the movie, I think, is the Gaunt house scene, which was not in the film. There are only a few pensive scenes, and that is not one of them, but I – with the movie being what is it, there is a terrific balance. And the movie is dark enough. And that is one point I tried to make in my review. But the movie is very intense, as far as impending doom, and it’s really interesting with how they balance that with all the hormones and all of the snogging going on in the book, which, you know, many people who talk about Book 6 will say there’s either too much snogging or too much Voldemort stuff. So this movie has totally, I think, found a balance. And David Yates as the director has really connected with that adolescent sort of vibe. And Dan still looks like he could pull off a 16/17 year old, I think. I mean, it’s still good in that aspect. Tom Felton looks a bit older, but you’re just happy to see him in the movie, so thats good. [laughs] You know, he gets good screen time. So, overall, yeah, it’s really interesting. I mean, I could talk about this movie, but I just basically enjoyed it, and that is something that I’m having to come to terms with in spite of all these negative reviews.

Andrew: Well, Eric, this has been very informational. And we thank you, the fans thank you. You’ve done the fandom justice, and we all appreciate that. We’re glad to see you like the movie, and we’re glad to hear that you believe it will be well worth the wait. The extended wait.

Eric: Yes [unintelligible]. [laughs]

Andrew: And here’s hoping you get to see Deathly Hallows too. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah, yeah. Well – and actually, I did want to talk about – if I could bring up a thing before I leave.

Andrew: Sure.

Eric: I got to meet David Heyman, David Yates, Alan Horn, one of the representatives from WB, Mark Day, the film editor [laughs] and…

Andrew: Wow.

Eric: …David Baron, the other co-producer with David Heyman, on…

Andrew: Was…

Eric: …the movie, after the movie.

Micah: So when are they coming on the show?

Andrew and Eric: What?

Micah: I said, so when are they coming on the show?

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: Was Alan Horn afraid of anyone giving him a good punch? Giving him a good old one-two, you know what I’m saying?

Eric: You know, Andrew, I’ve got to say that’s not funny, because…

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: …to be perfectly honest with you – no, no, no no, okay…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: And don’t feel bad. Don’t feel bad. Don’t feel bad.

Andrew: Oh, I don’t.

Eric: But – [laughs] – but, to be perfectly honest, we spoke with the Warner Bros. people and they were – to be honest, it’s a bit sad, I think, for our fandom, knowing that so many people at WB have received actual death threats. I mean, think about…

Andrew: That is sad, yes.

Eric: Think about the fandom actually saying, “Oh we’re actually going to send so many death threats, we’re going to storm the gates of WB,” and then think of actually receiving a death threat in your e-mail inbox from someone you’ve never met, from someone who is old enough to have the means to make that sort of thing happen.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s very scary, for sure.

Eric: And they received those worldwide, and that’s not cool. For that I shame the fandom. I mean, not for being angry…

Matt: But that’s definitely something that they should expect.

Andrew: No. No, not death threats. [laughs]

Matt: No, seriously, they should. For something this big, they should expect something to be extreme even though it may not happen.

Andrew: I’m sure they expected a big outlash, but I don’t know about death threats.

Matt: I know – I know – well, this isn’t the first time that something like this has happened.

Andrew: Can you see them sitting down at a meeting and being like “Look, guys, if we do this, we’re going to get death threats.” [laughs]

Matt: No, no, “If we do this, we’re going to get a huge flack.” And they are. I mean, it may get a little more than they anticipated…

Andrew: Yes.

Matt: …but they should’ve expected…

Eric: But seriously, it’s a bit more. I mean, in all the history of Warner Bros., to think that this – I mean, you guys, let’s speak candidly here. You know how crazy some of the fans out there are. But to actually – I mean, that’s all I’ll say.

Andrew: Yeah. Oh yeah.

Eric: It’s got to be scary. But still – no, Alan Horn was there, and they had all seen the screening and they were all, I think, very pleased with all the feedback they got; they got a lot of – they sat for a session afterwards, plus all the surveys we were filling out afterwards. There’s one thing I wanted to talk about; the surveys were very detailed. They mentioned – first of all, in every question they urge you to be as specific as possible, which may just be standard, but they were asking things like, “what scenes do you think moved too slow?”, “what scenes do you think moved too fast?”, “what were your favorite actors?”, “what were your favorite scenes and the least favorite scenes?” All these questions that…

Andrew: Were they general questions? Or were they tailored – were they like, “What did you think of Slughorn?” Or were they like general questions that you hand out at every movie screening?

Eric: No, no, no, it wasn’t as – that’s right, yeah, they were tailor fit.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Eric: They were absolutely tailor fit. I can’t think of many more specific questions except that they really did – there was a lot of room for total explanation and also a lot of guiding where they could get your feedback even if you didn’t be specific. So it was a bit, overall, quite interesting. My favorite scene was the Felix Felicis scene in the movie, which is great.

Andrew: Cool.

Eric: Next to the cave scene, which I quite enjoyed. And yeah, so that – meeting David and – David Heyman afterwards, and David Yates, was a really good experience, and I shook their hands. I even hugged them.

Andrew: Awww.

Eric: And I just – I just assured them. You know, I said I like the movie, and, you know – hopefully – and they said, you know, great, because we really did try to make this a great film, especially for fans, and they said that Jo Rowling had seen about twenty minutes of the movie and she said what she always says, which is – but she said this might be her favorite film so far.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: Oh, that Jo.

Eric: Which is important to mention, but – yeah, it is. It is important to mention. So Jo thinks this might be her favorite film ever, and the film editor and everyone were there, and so – or everyone was there, so everyone did want to see what people thought and were very interested to the core of their soul on what people thought, so I thought that was really fitting. I thought that was very great. They were all very nice people, all very grateful to hear all that. But so – I mean, I sat with – I stood with them and spoke about some of the things that I was concerned about, but basically I think, overall, the final product is going to be great, and it was just such a pleasure because I hadn’t made it to the red carpet premieres. [laughs] I believe I was getting a Mickey Mouse from somebody? Last – Goblet of Fire?

Andrew: Yeah. Well, this obviously is pretty big.

Micah: The gods made it up for you, Eric.

Andrew: The gods, yeah. You were destined.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: It was karma. You do, you know – pay it forward. Pay it forward.

Eric: Honestly, so…

Andrew: Eric, we got to go, but thank you so much. This was very informational.

Eric: Yeah, yeah.

Andrew: I hope to see you back on the show soon.

Eric: Absolutely. Just let me know when the next one is and hopefully my computer will be working.

Andrew: Of course, of course. All right. And, Eric, again, we thank you, the fans thank you. I’m sure you’ll get some more feedback from the fans with some more questions. Just one more thing, actually, real quick: are you sad that you can’t wait until July now to see it? Or like – what’s the feeling there? Because a lot of people say, like, “Oh, I wouldn’t want to see it this early because then what do I have to look forward to?” Do you feel bummed?

Eric: Oh, yeah. That’s a good question too. I’ll answer that for sure. I strongly think that the movie that I see in July is going to be different…

Andrew: Yeah, definitely.

Eric: …than what I saw at this past screening. I really believe that. Maybe I’m out of my mind, but I really do think that definitely the finalized version with the finalized – even the look and feel, even the touch, is going to be changed, and different. That’ll come with a completed score, which we haven’t – which we didn’t have. They had kind of in and out of different pieces, so it hasn’t been fit. You know, the scenes that were cut might not remain cut, and there might be more scenes that did get cut and some added in.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: So, we just don’t know from this standpoint. So once the effects are complete – a lot of that does change how you view the movie, how the movie feels, and, you know, I don’t know how those those scenes are going to end up looking, in a way. The way the movie was presented to us, it didn’t even – it didn’t feel like it was completely presentable, like it was completely…

Andrew: Of course.

Eric: I mean it was presentable but not completely fit.

Andrew: Sure.

Eric: It wasn’t like, here’s a completely fit possible version of the movie. That wasn’t it at all. This was still a bit far away from the complete final stages, and so I think, yeah, when I see the movie in July, which I will, it will be different enough that I will be surprised. Plus I’ll have forgotten a little bit by then, and so in a way it’s not really a negative thing that I have to wait even longer for new material. Say Movie 7, I have to wait even longer for it than I did before, but I think the movie will be different.

Andrew: And you know what? They’ll be making changes down to the last few weeks. I remember Matthew Vines from Veritaserum.com, I was in touch with him a lot around Goblet of Fire, and he went to literally, you know, the U.S. premiere, the U.K. premiere, the U.S. screenings, the U.K. screenings, and he said every time he saw it, he saw little changes. They’re changing these films down to the last possible minute. You know, because there’s a lot of pressure. So yeah, I think you will be seeing a – it could be a whole new film depending on that feedback they got. So there you go. All right, Eric.

Eric: And now with the extended time, they’ll have plenty of time to do more screenings, you know.

Andrew: Yeah, of course.

Eric: Chicago – and to answer the first question I was asked completely, Chicago was where they always did their first screenings.

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: That goes back to the days of the first two movies, because Chris Columbus is from Chicago, or one of the suburbs, and they developed good relations with movie theaters…

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Eric: …and basically that was – that’s where they hold their first test screenings. Again, just one of those random benefits of living in Chicago and subscribing to MovieTickets.com, I guess.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, apparently. I guess we all will now. All right, Eric. Thank you very much. We’ll talk to you again soon.

Eric: Thanks, guys. This has been fun.

Andrew: No problem. Yes it has. All right, dude, talk to you later.

Eric: All right. Is the recording going to work?

Andrew: Oh, yeah. We got it all. We’re good.

Eric: Sweet. Thanks so much.

Andrew: All right. No problem. See you, dude.

Matt: Bye, Eric.

Eric: All right. Bye, everybody. Bye, Matt. Bye, Micah. Bye, Andrew.

Everyone: Bye.

Andrew: That was Eric Scull who just recently caught a screening of Half-Blood Prince in Chicago.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: That lucky little boy.

Micah: Plenty more questions, I’m sure, that…

Andrew: We’ll be asking him.

Micah: …we could ask him, too, I mean…

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: …there are so many that came to mind, but maybe people can send in their questions. Obviously…

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: We’ll have plenty for him next show as well.

Andrew and Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: So, Micah, what else has been going on in the news?

Micah: We’re still on the news?

Andrew: We’re still not through it. [laughs] Yes, we are.

Micah: We’re like 45 minutes into the show and we’re still not done with the news.

Andrew: That was a whole segment. That was a whole big main discussion, I guess you could say. [laughs]

Micah: That’s true.

Andrew: So anyway, what else is going on in the wonderful world of Harry Potter?


News: HBP Video Game Delayed


Micah: Well, let’s wrap up Half-Blood Prince news first. The only other remaining piece of news from the movie actually affects the video game. The Half-Blood Prince video game is in fact going to be delayed, and one thing that Electronic Arts reported was that it is going to be a 120 million dollar loss for them this year. Andrew, you noted that they’re going to make somewhere around 5 billion. In the grand scheme of things, is that a huge hit to take? I would argue it may be when you look at their overall budget for 2008. If they were anticipating that revenue to meet their budget, that certainly could have an effect on it. I mean, in the scheme of 5 billion dollars, 120 million seems very small, but at the same time, you know, to us, that’s a lot of money.

Andrew: Yeah, and I think that, you know, they want to get this game out of the way and get going on the next one, because they’re real passionate about these Harry Potter games. I mean it is a studio in London that works on these, so it’s different from EA’s other big franchises like EA Sports.

Micah: Right. Did they mention anything about how it would affect maybe Deathly Hallows, similar to how everybody had questions, well, now with Half-Blood Prince being delayed, is that going to affect Deathly Hallows at all? You know.

Andrew: It may, but there’s still a two year wait.

Micah: That’s true.

Andrew: So…

Micah: And there’s probably only going to be one game though. The video game is not going to be split into two parts.

Andrew: Oh yeah. But I wonder what – they’ll have to wait to release it, though, because, you know, you can’t release it, a full game, with only half the movie, because then half of it’s spoiled. Warner Bros. has very tight restrictions for them, you know, saying, “You can’t spoil anything in the movie before the movie comes out.” You know, that’s involved in the video game, so…

Micah: And the thing to remember is that it’s not just going to affect, you know, EA. It’s going to really affect anybody else who’s in the merchandising industry that was anticipating this release in November, and was going to use that money towards their budget for 2008. You know…

Andrew: Yeah. It’s important. It sucks for them, you know?

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: I’m sure Warner Bros. probably had to take that into consideration.

Andrew: Warner Brothers should send them a big fat loan of 120 million. [Andrew laughs]

Micah: Absolutely. [laughs]

Andrew: They really should. I mean, you know. And, honestly, I think if EA wanted to they could have released it in November because it’s part of their contract, unless there’s a little clause in there, you know, that says Warner Bros. has the right, but – because they didn’t change it immediately, so they had to be thinking about it.

Matt: And the movies are never really exactly like what the game is anyway.

Micah: Right. Well, I mean I – the reason they waited is they want to release it with the film; however, this is what I wonder about more than anything else: is something like the video game, is the other merchandise because that’s where the franchise as a whole can be hard hit for the movie being delayed, because people can decide, okay, well, you know what? I’m going to go spend my ten dollars to go see the film, but I’m not going to buy any of the merchandise.

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Matt: But also, this is during the Christmas season too, is when, you know…

Micah: Exactly.

Andrew: People buy video games.

Matt: Yeah, so they buy – they would buy the video game for Christmas for their kid or something, but now that that it’s going to be in summer, I mean, it’s just for whenever you want to buy it.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Absolutely.

Andrew: So…

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News: The Trial is Finally Over


Micah: And other news: we finally received a verdict in the J.K. Rowling Warner Bros. versus RDR Books trial.

Matt: Oh.

Micah: Everyone is happy about that, right?

Matt: Yay!

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: You know, it’s weird because it’s like – it came out, and it was big news, but then it’s like – I just feel like there was a big – hold on. Let’s get in the mood first.

Matt: Oh.

[Law and Order theme music plays]

Andrew: That’s better. I feel like there was like a big – you know, there is supposed to be a big lead up to this and then it’s – I don’t know. Micah, was it big news to you?

Micah: You know, it just seemed to come in the middle or, I guess, towards the tail end of everything that was going on with Half-Blood Prince, and there wasn’t a lot to it, to be honest with you. I wasn’t…

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] It was very basic.

Micah: Yeah. I mean – hey, look. I’m really in favor of J.K. Rowling and Warner Bros. in this case, and, you know, it – why did it take four months to come to a decision? I think probably because the judge has more on his plate than just this case and he’s hearing other cases, he’s writing other decisions, and that’s just what happens. I mean, I was in jury duty at the beginning of this year, and I can tell you the legal process is one that takes forever. I mean, these are some of the – sorry to any lawyers and judges that are listening to the show, but they’re some of the laziest people…

[Matt laughs]

Micah: They’re hard working in the sense that, you know, I’m sure they’re spending many hours when they’re not in the courtroom, but lazy in the sense that they just take forever to get stuff done. I mean, the legal process – oh, let’s go to lunch, take a two hour lunch, you know, they just – they milk the system for all it’s worth.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: So it turns out, Steve Vander Ark is actually…

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: Has been in the process of writing another book! It highlights the places in the United Kingdom that relate to Harry’s world.

Matt: So, like, he’s trying to find Hogwarts or something?

Andrew: Yeah. Sort of. [laughs] And so that’s what he’s doing. And the book is due out kind of soon. I’m not sure when exactly, but it’s a different publisher. It’s not RDR, so that one will not – that’s an actual book. That’s not just copying and pasting information out of Jo’s books.

Matt: Oh. Okay.

Andrew: That one will be okay.

Micah: But was anybody a little bit surprised by his reaction at all to the ruling? I just thought it was a little bit too nice for somebody who decided to go through with this process.

Matt: Well, he also wants his book to sell. I mean, he doesn’t want to be so negative about it. Also, he just wants it to be over with so that he can work on the next book that hopefully will, you know, make money.

Andrew: I know what you mean though. Steve said a few days ago, “I’ve always been a fan” – in response to the verdict – “I’ve always been a fan of Harry Potter and of Rowling, and my hope all along was that we’d find an amicable way to settle this. I’m disappointed, but this is the way it went, and I don’t hold any ill will at all. It was a question of law over a difference of opinion and, in a way, I’m glad that it’s finally over.”

Micah: Right.

Andrew: “In a way”? You should be completely glad that it’s over. [laughs]

Micah: Well, I – the big problem I have here is if this is the kind of response you’re going to have, why do it in the first place? Why, you know, put it – the situation – I don’t know. I’m trying to frame it the right way, but why even go through with all this in the first place? It, you know – it just seems like a very sort of nonchalant response…

Andrew: It is.

Micah: …to something you pressed very hard for. You know.

Andrew: I think it’s just a happy that it’s over with response.

Matt: Yeah. I think it’s something that’s just saying that I just want to move on from this.

Andrew: We have an e-mail here from Susan that relates to this. It’s a MuggleCast listener, Susan.

“Oh boy. Oh boy. Oh boy. Yay! Jo won. I’m so glad the judge had the sense to be in favor of Jo, the rightful owner of the rights to write an encyclopedia based on her book series. And show that Vander whatever not to mess with Jo.”

Vander whatever. [laughs]

“Though I don’t hold anything against Vander-poo.”

Susan, you’re very mean.

“I can’t believe he would say he was ‘disappointed’ that he couldn’t steal Jo’s work and write his stolen encyclopedia. It doesn’t make any sense. Shouldn’t he feel ashamed that he even put Jo through all this? Isn’t she his favorite author that he devoted a whole lexicon too, or is he too distracted by the sadness – his sadness over his lost selfish gains?”

So Susan is saying there, look, why do you disappoint – I’m sure when he figured out the idea to do this book he was thinking about how much money he could make.

Matt: I think he just – the fact that he said he’s disappointed just means that, you know, he lost.

Andrew: Someone else asked, can we allow him back into this fandom again?

Micah: I…

Matt: Well…

Andrew: What do you think, Micah? Matt made a disgruntled face.

Matt: Well, no, I’m just – I’m saying, who has the keys to let someone back into the fandom?

Micah: Yeah, exactly.

Andrew: [laughs] Jo.

Matt: He’s never really left the fandom. If he’s still a fan of Harry Potter then he’s in the fandom.

Andrew: No, but I mean, like, say he shows up at Azkatraz 2009, which is quickly approaching in July? Will fans go up and greet him and be like, “Oh my God, can I take a picture with you?”

Matt: Well, I mean, I’m sure that’s not going to happen.

Andrew: Micah, will you take a picture with Steve if he shows up at Azkatraz?

Micah: Probably more likely he’ll want to take a photo with me, but…

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Micah: No, I’m just kidding.

Andrew: You’ll say, “Yeah, but I need $20 first please.”

Matt: Well, I mean – okay, if we see him – if any of us saw him at, like, a Harry Potter convention, would we just turn away and walk away or would…

Andrew: I would hide because we’ve said too many bad things about him on this show. [laughs]

Matt: I don’t think – I think – I think we’ve been – we haven’t been as angry as, you know, other…

Andrew: Outlets?

Matt: There we go.

Micah: I think the big thing that a lot of people miss in this, and maybe that’s why you’re saying it was more of a “I’m happy this thing is over” statement, is really RDR. I think RDR pressed this more than Steve pressed it. If that makes sense. I mean, all throughout the whole trial and when we really did that one episode where we focused solely on what was going on, we said, you know, if you look at everything that went on from the beginning going all the way back to – to when the lawsuit was first filed, and even before that, it seemed that RDR was not doing anything to be in compliance with WB or J.K. Rowling, that they wanted to…

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: …take this to the courtroom. And, you know, they still can go beyond – you know, they can obviously file for an appeal based on the ruling, it seems like, so it – it may be a matter of time to see if they’re going to pursue anything further.

Andrew: Yeah, and let’s all remember, too, that there was that clause in Steve’s contract from RDR that said, look, Steve, if, you know, WB decides to take this to court we will protect you. You cannot get out of it. So yeah, he really had no choice. I – I would think – I would hope that if WB took him to court and he had the option to just say, like, look, forget it. I’m not going to do this book. I don’t want to face going to court, that he would have actually done that. That would, I guess, really define his position in the fandom at this point. Okay, anything else, Micah, this week?


Sorcerer’s Stone Anniversary Edition is Released Next Week


Micah: Yeah, one final piece of news.

Andrew: Oh my God.

Micah: [laughs] Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: …Anniversary Edition is going to be released next week.

Andrew: It’s been released.

Micah: Well, it’s been released ahead of schedule for some people. But there’s some bonus material that was promised. There was obviously a new drawing of the cover art by Mary GrandPre. But, Andrew, you know a little bit more about what this bonus material is, having gotten information from people who received the book early.

Andrew: Yeah, we originally got an e-mail from someone saying, “Hey, my book arrived already,” and I was like, “Wow! That’s weird,” because it’s not supposed to come out until September 23rd. Long story short, as it turns out, Amazon received permission to start shipping it early, so they did. They sent out e-mails to all the people who pre-ordered and said, “You’ll be receiving it this week between September 11th and the 15th.” So people got their copies, and they were happy with it, I guess. But the thing was, they were – the fans – this book has been promoted as having bonus material from J.K. Rowling. And the only additional thing in this book is a sketch of Snape drawn by Jo back in ’92 or ’93, she wrote. And she wrote how Snape looked Count Dracula-ish. So it’s kind of disappointing, because it’s just one thing and people were, like, expecting maybe like a foreword or maybe something more from Jo in some way.

Micah: Are we sure that that’s it?

Andrew: That’s it. Yup. I’ve gotten numerous e-mails about it, and that is the only thing.

Micah: Right.

Matt: Well, I mean, it’s still a drawing by J.K. Rowling.

Andrew: Yeah, but it’s not like, you know, an original painting or anything. [laughs] It’s just – I mean we’ve seen lots of sketches from her before. People were just expecting more. Like, why would you buy this book again?

Micah: Right. And I know on Amazon I looked up the price. It’s like sixteen bucks to buy the hardcover edition, but I was wondering, didn’t we see a price – is there like a special edition of this book, too, that – that was selling for enormous…

Andrew: No, you’re thinking of Beedle the Bard.

Micah: Oh, okay.

Andrew: Beedle the Bard is going for, like, a hundred.

Micah: Yeah, that was crazy.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Micah: But I just – I mean, if you’re a collector then you’re probably going to pick it up. You know, if you’re somebody, in addition to liking the series, that gets the U.K. edition and the U.K. adult edition and – and, you know, picks up all these books from all over the world and different covers. Yeah, you know, you’re probably going to buy this.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: But I guess – yeah, it seems a little bit disappointing in terms of value.

Andrew: Yeah. So people actually took pictures of the book and sent it into us. And I actually forgot how small Sorcerer’s Stone was. I mean, that book’s really thin. I’m just so used to these books being so thick, but whatever. Just something that I thought.

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: So apparently it is in bookstores now, in most bookstores. So, you know, stop by, send in your feedback and tell us what you think.

Micah: So it’s actually out there?

Andrew: Yeah, it’s actually getting out there.

Matt: In the mainstream?

Andrew: In mainstream bookstores near you.

Matt: Awesome.

Andrew: I don’t know everywhere at this point, but someone who works at a bookstore actually e-mailed us and said, you know, this actually isn’t leaked or anything. That was the suggested release date, apparently. But since people are already getting it they’re allowed to put it out.

Matt: Huh.

Andrew: So, they’re doing it. And people are buying. And kind of getting disappointed.

Matt: Awww. It’s still Sorcerer’s Stone. It’s still the book.

Andrew: Is that it, Micah?

Micah: That’s it for news.

Andrew: All right.

Matt: Awesome!


Announcement: Podcast Alley


Andrew: Thank you. Let’s move on to some announcements. Hey, it’s a new month and we’re still a podcast, so vote for us…

Andrew and Matt: On Podcast Alley.

Matt: It is going to be Mugglecast Meptember.

Andrew: [laughs] Meptember. Yeah! We’re number six right now. That’s good, that’s good. I like…

Micah: Isn’t that great? We’re off – that we’re off for a month, but your still in the top ten on Podcast Alley?

Andrew: [laughs] People are still voting for us, yeah.

Matt: That’s awesome.

Andrew: That shows the dedication of our fans.

Matt: Thank you.

Andrew: Thank you.

Matt: That’s really nice.

Andrew: But, I mean, we could be higher, so…

Matt: Well – yeah, but…

Andrew: I’m just kidding. I’m just kidding. If you get the joke still.

Matt: Thank you.


Announcement: Teddy Bears for Hope a Success


Andrew: Micah, the past few episodes we were promoting our charity drive, Teddy Bears for Hope. How did that turn out?

Micah: It turned out really well. I actually sent the money over to the organization today. And they’re going to start dispersing the teddy bears, I guess, in the next couple of weeks or so. And the total amount raised was about $1,600. So that’s awesome.

Andrew and Matt: Wow.

Andrew: That’s really good. Thank you.

Micah: Plus whatever we made from that site. I think it was SearchKindly.org. They had a little bit of a pull up for one of the weeks we do this charity drive, and of course everyone from MuggleNet went and voted over there. So I think we probably picked up another $100. So about $1,700 in total.

Andrew: That’s wonderful. How many bears does that equate to?

Micah: That equates to probably…

Andrew: You said it’s $5 a bear?

Micah: Yeah, it’s around there. It could be a little bit more, a little bit less. So you’re probably looking at about a little over 300 bears.

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: Which…

Andrew: It’s great.

Micah: Which is cool. And we’ll keep everyone posted on where they end up going and get some pictures from when they’re delivered.

Andrew: Yeah, that’d be great. Definitely.

Micah: And post about it on both sites. So it’ll be cool.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: That’s so cool.


Announcement: Azkatraz in July


Andrew: All right. And reminder: Azkatraz is coming up quickly. It’s in July. It starts the day after Half-Blood Prince comes out, which is really awesome.

Matt: Ooh.

Andrew: They have some really good plans. We can’t announce anything yet, but we are going to be very involved. And it’s going to be awesome.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Imagine seeing this film with tons of hardcore Harry Potter fans at midnight.

Matt: And then coming back to a…

Andrew: A Harry Potter [unintelligible]

Matt: …really nice…

Andrew: …hotel.

Matt: Really, really nice hotel. We can’t stress that enough. It is a really sweet hotel. And just going back after the movie and just discussing it with all these diehard Harry Potter fans.

Andrew: Yeah, so it’s going to be really something special.

Matt: I mean, has that ever been done before?

Andrew: No. Registration is open, and actually, I don’t know if we should say. If you register, please put in the referral area MuggleNet or MuggleCast, if you do decide to register this early. Please, please, please put MuggleNet or MuggleCast. It will help us out very much in being there at Azkatraz. So thank you.


Announcement: Matt’s Birthday


Andrew: Happy Birthday, Matt.

Matt: Oh, thank you.

Andrew: Turned 23 on September 11th.

Matt: [imitating Jamie] “Oh, I’m so old, Andrew.”

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Micah: Jamie’s back, huh?

Andrew: I just want to be a kid again.

Matt: [imitating Jamie] “Oh, oh, hey, Micah.”

[Micah laughs]

Matt: [imitating Jamie] “Laura, Laura, don’t even start with me. I’m so old.”

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: On September 23 we’re having a, I would say little birthday party, but it’s going to be a big birthday party, here at the MuggleCast Studio tonight.

Matt: Yeah, we got a bunch of…

Andrew: All day.

Matt: We’ve got a bunch of Wizard Rockers coming to our apartment, and…

Andrew: Ah, man.

Matt: It’s going to be awesome.

Andrew: Star-studded.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Matt: Bring out the red carpet.


Announcement: Harry Potter Election


Andrew: For Alex Carpenter [unintelligible] to make his appearance. And one last thing. We want to do a little teaser about – before we get into the rest of the show. Micah and I are working on a new thing for MuggleNet, and since we’re not doing the new show weekly right now we wanted to promote it. As everyone knows, the presidential election is coming up, so, you know, it’s a big election this year, so we wanted to do something Harry Potter related with this election. And, Micah, do you want to sort of – we’ll just give a teaser right now. I don’t really want to get into it too much, but…

Micah: No.

Andrew: What are we doing? What are we putting together?

Micah: We’re just putting together a little bit of an election. We’re going to have fun with this. It’s going to be completely – well, I’m not going to say it’s not going to relate in any way to what’s going on in the current election. You may see some themes there.

Andrew: Some words. [laughs]

Micah: Some words.

Andrew: Like “maverick.” [laughs]

Micah: Exactly. But, you know, we’re going to get a couple of staff members involved with this, and I think we can reveal, we’re going to use eight characters with the ultimate goal of one from each party facing off in the final election. And we’re going to use come cool little social networking tools and probably some other technology – audio, video – to spice it up a bit. I think it’s going to be a lot of fun. I mean, that’s the whole point of it, you know, give people some laughs. Let them enjoy what we’re doing, and it’s not to make a mockery of the election as a whole. Maybe in a little bit of a way to poke fun at some things that have gone on, but just to kind of lighten the mood a bit, I guess you could say, because it’s been a very serious last couple of weeks, at least here in the United States with everything that’s going on with this election.

Andrew: But it’s – I don’t know if you said, it’s going to be an election for the Minister of Magic.

Micah: Oh yeah. That’s true.

Andrew: And – yeah. They’re characters from Harry Potter, so we’re putting together something really fun. It’s going to be kicking off September 23rd, but we’re going to have a formal announcement on MuggleNet.com a few days before that, so keep an eye out on the site. It’s going to be a fun thing, you know. Get kids involved in sort of a Harry Potter election, so it’ll be fun. And we’re doing some good work on it. So I think that’s it for announcements this week, and the news, and the opening. Good bye, everybody.

[Micah laughs]

Matt: Bye, guys.

Andrew: That was a long show.

Micah: Oh. Oh, that was awesome.

[Matt laughs]


Muggle Mail: The Pre-screening of HBP


Andrew: Let’s move on to some Muggle Mail that reflects on things we’ve actually already talked about. First one comes from Adrianna. She writes:

“Hey MuggleCasters, I just have a few comments about the screening of ‘Half-Blood Prince.’ First off, I’m torn between the idea of seeing the movie before the finished product. I’d want to put them again IMAX 3D. I think I’d hold out. But out of curiosity, why are they releasing the screening so close to the date that it would’ve come out on. It almost feels like a slap in the face. Like, ‘Ha-ha, November 21st, just kidding. July 17th. However, you can see the unfinished version in September.’ Okay, I just feel we’re being teased way too much, or maybe I’m just jealous. Love the show. Love the hosts. Special love to Matt and Andrew. P.S. I knew J.K.R. would win.”

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: Thank you, Adrianna. I think it’s a really good idea that they’re still screening it on time because this gives them a lot more time to fix the movie and get it exactly how they like it and how the fans like it.

Micah: But isn’t it a little bit odd to be screening it now? I mean, that’s my only issue here. If Eric – like he said before, he was watching scenes like with Harry on the Quidditch pitch where there’s blue screens behind what’s happening. It seems a little bit odd to me that, here you are in September, and you were expecting to release this film in November, and you had your producer, you had your director saying in the interviews that the movie’s complete, that there’s nothing wrong with it. That nothing needs to be redone. That seems a little bit odd to me.

Andrew: Well, I think they seriously considered – maybe these scenes are finished in special effects. Obviously, they slowed it down once they realized that, you know, they have an additional eight months to complete this.

Micah: Yeah, but at the same time, they realized this in, what, August? That they were going to, you know, delay the movie until November. The question is how much – I’m sorry, to July. But then how much in advance did they know that this change was going to happen? You mentioned it was only three to four weeks.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: But it’s just the time frame is not matching up for me.

Andrew: So yeah, I see what you’re saying.

Micah: That’s the thing.

Andrew: I see what you’re saying. I think they will be doing many more screenings, you know, once they reach a few milestones. Like the special effects being done, the soundtrack being done, because that’s all things they have to ask people about.

Micah: Right, but my question is, when normally would a screening have occurred for a movie released in November?

Andrew: I think right now.

Matt: I think it really depends on the type of budget the movie has.

Andrew: No, actually, you know what? And this is a true story. I swear to God, I read an article back in July saying that they were going to do screenings in August, and that was before the film came out – or they announced the film delay. And I remember this so well because I thought to myself, oh man, they’re screening this in August in Chicago? That’s when Terminus is. I wonder if a lot of Harry Potter fans are going to end up seeing it there. So, yeah, they were definitely going to be screening it in August, but they pushed it, you know, I guess a couple weeks back to September, so yeah. I think this is normal. But if it was still slated…

Matt: August to November – I mean, August to September is, what, one month?

Andrew: No, no. Yeah, it was probably just a couple weeks they delayed it by. I’m not saying that, you know, it made any difference, but maybe they delayed it that much to get a certain part of the film completely finished. But I do think that if it wasn’t delayed, the people that saw the screening, including Eric, would’ve seen a lot more complete, definitely.

Matt: Well, they see it now, it just gives them all the more time to change it.

Andrew: Mhm. Exactly.

Matt: I mean, if they screened it, what, three months before the movie is now going to be released, that gives them only three months to change everything, and I would much prefer that the people behind the movie have – can actually take their time and, you know, make it the way that they really want to instead of just having to do it under the gun and have to just spit this version out that they really – aren’t really proud of.

Micah: Right, and that’s what leads me to believe, maybe they knew further in advance that they might have to change the date because of something not being finished the way that they wanted it to be. It just…

Matt: Right.

Micah: My thing is, it just seems like if you’re going to screen a movie now, ten months in advance, as opposed to what would’ve been a couple of months, something must not have been right there. Maybe I’m wrong, but…

Andrew: I think with – sorry, go ahead.

Micah: No, it’s just what I said before. It’s just not matching up for me.

Andrew: I think with all this – I think with the film – with them screening the film this early, this really puts a lot of pressure on them, because they have so much time to perfect this. And that’s what they need to do. I doubt they’re going to go back and film more, so they got to work with what they have. But, you know, that could…

Matt: They probably have a whole bunch of – of footage though.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: To work with.

Andrew: Of course, but I mean, like, if they wanted to add the Hogwarts Battle, you know.

Matt: I think they already filmed it.

Andrew: Or the Dumbledore funeral. I mean, God, with all this more time use a little more money from Dark Knight and put it into… [laughs] … put it in the Dumbledore funeral. But whatever.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: I think, you know, this is just a lot more pressure. Now you really have to perfect it, and that’s why they’re starting to do these screenings so early.


Muggle Mail Rejected


Andrew: Next e-mail comes from Lucy:

“Hi. I just wanted to say, as I’m sure others have, that it’s very promising that they’re screening the film now. It suggests that they will use…”

Actually, you know what? We don’t need that.


Muggle Mail: A Call for Action


Andrew: One more e-mail today from Gregory Bosk, 20, from Newport News, Virginia. He writes:

“My friends at MuggleNet, as one of the premier sites for ‘Harry Potter’ fans around the world, you hold a significant amount of sway in the minds of not only readers, but Hollywood producers and filmmakers. I am a concerned fan who is enraged by the fact that the movie is to be postponed. I feel it is unnecessary for us to wait an entire eight months for the movie to be released when it is, supposedly, finished with production. Is there anything you can do, anyone that you can contact, anywhere that you can go to get things in motion? I am sure you are all as upset as I am. We need to move into action and motivate others to do the same. We need to let these greedy Hollywood producers that it is the fans that control the market, and we demand the movie to be released as planned.”

Micah: All right, Gregory. [laughs] Listen, buddy. If I held sway over Hollywood movie producers, I would be in the damn movie, okay?

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Micah: So the idea that we have any control over this is – is, you know…

Matt: Well, you know what? Wait.

Micah: …minimal.

Matt: Let me get Alan Horn on the phone.

Micah: Call him up. I mean, I understand what he’s trying to say, but it’s kind of – we don’t – we – I don’t know.

Andrew: The reason I included this is because a lot of fans do think that we have a lot of power, but really we don’t. And we don’t want – like, people ask well, why don’t you post petitions and stuff like that? We are on the good side with Warner Bros., you know. We have to stick with them. They do a lot for us and we’re – they do a lot for us and they do a lot for the fans, and we have to be appreciative of that. So…

Matt: And just because we don’t have the same viewpoints as a lot of the fandoms do doesn’t mean that we’re – that we’re sucking up to WB also. I mean, I get a lot of e-mails saying that, well just because, yeah, okay, you have to suck up to WB, that’s why you’re saying this and that. But really, we have to see both sides of it. We can’t just see, like, one side of – of the whole decision-making.

Micah: Yeah exactly. Then we’d be Fox news.

Matt: Yeah. Yeah! Then we’d be Fox!

Micah: No, but Matt’s right. I mean, the fact of the matter is, it was just like the case between Steve Vander Ark and J.K. Rowling. We couldn’t sit for a whole episode. Obviously, a lot of us favored the opinion of, of J.K. Rowling and Warner Bros., but we couldn’t sit there and not try and come at it from Steve’s position, which we did do, and, you know, and it’s kind of like the same thing here. We need to see it from both sides. Obviously, as fans we’re not happy that the film got moved, but we also need to understand it from Warner Bros.’s perspective, that it’s a business decision, and that’s the reason why this film was moved, and, you know, while we can all be upset and all be angry, you know, we’re not going to change the fact that…

Andrew: Right.

Micah: …that the movie is going to be coming out next July.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. And there’s really nothing more to say. I just think that, you know, sorry, guys, but, you know, we don’t have any more power than you guys do. So. Let’s move along now. That’s all for e-mails. Very short with the e-mails this week, but I just want to say that we do have a working feedback form. It’s now available on MuggleNet.com. So visit MuggleNet.com to get all the feedback – to leave us feedback. MuggleNet.com/Feedback. You can contact any one of us there, and also you can send us rebuttals and stuff like that. So we’ll get more e-mails soon.


This Week in MuggleCast History


Andrew: This Week in MuggleCast History is up next. It is actually two – not two years ago, a year ago this week that we had our twelve hour live show.

[Matt gasps]

Andrew: Which I still tell people about. They’re like, you did a live show for twelve hours? What did you talk about? I don’t even know what we talked about.

Matt: I think you guys called me.

Andrew: Yes, we did.

Matt: That was the first time I was ever on the show.

Andrew: We spoke with you and Alex Carpenter.

Matt: You also ordered a pizza.

Andrew: Yes, that was fun. And my number accidentally got out on the air. Or no, my address did. That was a mistake.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: But anyway, let’s play a quick clip from it. Just the introduction, you know, to relive it.

Andrew: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to MuggleCast live. Jamie and Laura are here.

Laura: Hey, everybody!

Jamie: Hey!

Andrew: We are live on the Internet! This is our first ever twelve hour podcasting event. I’m going to go out on a limb and say this is the first ever twelve hour podcast.

Jamie: I would agree.

Laura: I think that’s a safe guess.

Andrew: That’s a safe guess. Laura’s at college right now.

Laura: I am at college. The only [unintelligible] kind of Internet that’s somewhat not wanting to work today, so here’s hoping that it holds through for me.

Andrew: Well, it’s holding right now, and it’s actually sounding better than Jamie’s connection, but…

Laura: Yeah!

Andrew: Nothing we can do about that.

Jamie: Yeah. [unintelligible] is not particularly good.

Andrew: Jamie, this is twelve hours we’re doing here.

Jamie: This is twelve hours, and I reckon we need to tell everyone that twelve hours is an extremely long time. In twelve hours you can do a lot. You can fly from Heathrow to America twice in a jumbo jet. You can go there and come back. Also, you can go from Heathrow to New York and back twice on Concord. You can drive almost the entire length of the U.K. You can run a very long way. I don’t know how far. If anybody wants to try it, please feel free and then you can write in and tell us. You can cycle a long way. You can even walk a very long way.

Andrew: So we get it.

[Jamie laughs]

Andrew: Can you tell how nervous I was? My voice was so trembling. So [quaking voice] “Hi, everybody, welcome to the show.”

Matt: Awww! You were going through puberty.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Laura’s in college!

Matt: There’s nothing wrong with that.

Andrew: How’s college, Laura?

Micah: He still is.

Andrew: Ehhh!

Matt and Micah: Yeah.

Micah: Oh.

Andrew: That was very nerve wracking, but that was a lot of fun. Micah, you were a part of that, weren’t you?

Micah: I was not a part of that. I was…

Andrew: What!?

Micah: I was at a wedding that weekend in Nantucket. I think I called you guys…

Andrew: You’re always at weddings.

Micah: … at like…

Andrew: Oh, that’s right.

Micah: … eleven o’clock, or you called me, and I had a few beverages and… [laughs]

Matt: Oooh…

Micah: Someone covered that point. It was, you know, all fun.

Andrew: So we had started at 12 PM Eastern on September 15th and we went until 12 AM Eastern on September 16th, so that was a full twelve hours.

Micah: Unbelievable.

Andrew: I wouldn’t – I – in hindsight, I wouldn’t mind doing it again because it was a lot of fun, and we actually did get through it. It’s just a lot of planning.

Micah: Yeah, absolutely.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I couldn’t imagine that you guys stayed on for that long.

Andrew: Well, yeah, but that was the fun of it, you know? We took, like, ten minute breaks on top of every hour and, you know, I looked at the Google Doc a few days ago to see our schedule and, like, it was so bad. Like, we had each hour planned out, but, like, in some of the hours there was, like, there was just, like, one e-mail to read and that was it! [laughs] I don’t know what we did the whole time. But a lot of people – a lot of our listeners – that were listening, actually did listen to the whole live show, which is insane.

Micah: What was the – like, what was the top number that you received on that show? Where did it peak? In terms of listeners.

Andrew: Listener-wise?

Micah: Live.

Andrew: I completely forget. But I would say at -probably at its peak, was probably, at the very start through most of the afternoon, probably through the night, it was probably 1700 people.

Matt: It’s probably, yeah.

Andrew: Which is really cool that we can get that many live people at each of those times…

Micah: Well, we did quite well with the last live show, too, didn’t we? We had a – was it like 1500 at one time?

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, it’s great doing those live shows. A lot of people listen to them.

Micah: We should do another live show sometime soon.

Andrew: Let’s go live right now! I’m ready.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Let’s go. It’s too much.

Micah: Maybe our next show.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I’m just making this shit up.


Guess the Scene


Andrew: Well, whenever there’s big news, that’s when it’s funnest to – most fun to do a live show, because that’s when everyone’s in to it. So, moving along, we’re going to play a new segment now. This is called Guess the Scene. We’ll just do one so that, you know, give you guys a little tease since Matt obviously picked these and I’m looking at them to play them. That leaves just Micah, so, Micah, if you do really good we can – you know, it’s fun for people to play at home too, so…

Micah: All right.

Andrew: All right, so how this works is I’m going to play a clip from one of the soundtracks and I’m not going to tell which soundtrack it is, and Micah…

Micah: Oh, it’s a soundtrack.

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: You have to guess which – which scene…

Matt: Where in the movie this is being played.

Micah: Oh, okay. Maybe I can do them.

Andrew: Yeah. So, it’s…

Micah: I don’t get told what movie it’s from, though, right?

Andrew and Matt: Right.

Andrew: Okay, here we go.

[Music plays]

[Andrew whispers something unintelligible]

Matt: [whispers] Yeah.

Andrew: [whispers] What could it be?

Matt: [whispers] It’s from Harry Potter, I think.

Andrew: Should we give him a hint?

Matt: Sure.

Andrew: I think we should. This is from Chamber of Secrets.

Micah: Yeah, I thought so. It’s like – it’s almost like Oompa Loompas.

Matt: Oh. Oh, very – oh, you’re close.

Andrew: Trick question.

Micah: Geez.

Matt: A lot closer than you think there, Micah.

[dramatic chord of music plays]

Andrew: Oh!

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: Something just happened.

Matt: Something happened.

Andrew: Any guesses, Micah?

Matt: You can pause it.

Micah: Oh – that’s not – no.

Matt: Oh…

Andrew: All right, so do you have any guesses at all?

[Music stops playing]

Micah: I’m thinking, like, the beginning of the movie.

Andrew: Like a specific scene, though.

Micah: No, no, I know. Yeah, I – I can’t. I’m sorry.

Andrew: Oh, I’m so sorry, Micah. The correct answer we were looking for was when Crabbe and Goyle get the – grab the cakes that are floating in mid-air.

Micah: Oh. Yeah. That was right at the top of my list.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: You said “Oompa Loompa” so you’re close.

Micah: Yeah, you’re right.

Andrew: You’ve mentioned candy.

Micah: You got another one? I feel like I need to redeem myself.

Andrew: How – how about – yeah, we could do one more. All right, well, we’ll give him a hint to start out. This is from Prisoner of Azkaban. You – you – you said yourself that this was one of your favorites…

Andrew: …so…

Micah: Me?

Andrew: It can’t be too hard for you. Oh, maybe you didn’t. I don’t know. Here we go.

[Music plays]

Micah: Isn’t this how – oh.

[Music finishes]

Micah: I thought this was how the movie starts. Or do I have…

Matt: No.

Micah: No?

Andrew: No. I’m sorry. That was [unintelligible].

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: What we were looking for was from the Dementors hovering outside of Hogwarts. I don’t even remember that.

Matt: Huh?

Andrew: The Dementors hovering outside of Hogwarts.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: That’s the answer we were looking for.

Matt: It’s during the castle scene, when it’s raining outside, and all the boys are eating the candy from Honeydukes.

Andrew: Ah! Matt got it!

[A bell sounds]

Matt: Well, yeah…

Andrew: I’ve got to work on my Price is Right [unintelligible].

Matt: …I’m the one who did it!

Andrew: Yeah, I know. I just wanted to play that sound. So that’s how we play Guess the Scene. Hopefully our listeners enjoyed that, who will enjoy it when somebody guesses correctly.

Matt: Or when there’s more of us to play.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s true. This may be hard. This may be a hard game. I think it kind of is.

Matt: It is hard.

Andrew: Good try, Micah. You were the first contestant, so…

Micah: Thanks.


Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul


Andrew: So we’re almost done with the show today. This has been a very long episode. We’ll wrap things up with Chicken Soup. Micah, would you like to read it?

Micah: So this week’s Chicken Soup comes from Granny. She says:

“I was not aware you had a MuggleCast contact problem, so just in case you did not receive this, could not call this one in. I would cry. I have downloaded your shows, not only for the fun of listening to them again. Lots of times you got so close to the truth and yet so far. Just missing it. If I am widowed, you will be there to comfort me. If I go blind, you will be there for me. I thank you for that, and when I was going nuts between Books 6 and 7, you kept me sane. When movies came out, books came out, I was part of it all because you were there. Politics aside, you will grow out of it.”

Not sure what that means, but…

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: “I do love you all. Best regards, from Granny.”

Andrew: That was very nice. She’s a frequent e-mailer and that was a very nice e-mail, I thought.

[Show music begins]


Contact Information


Andrew: Anyway, that does wrap up our show for today. We hope everyone’s enjoyed hearing some more MuggleCast. To send us some parcel mail, you can always use the MuggleCast P.O Box. P.O. Box 3151, Cumming, GA 30028. You can also call in a voicemail question, comment a listener rebuttal to the MuggleCast hotline. Just remember to your question under 60 seconds and eliminate as much background noise as possible. Those numbers are, in the United States, 1-218-20-MAGIC, in the United Kingdom 0208144677, and if you’re in Australia, the number is 0280035668. You can also Skype the username MuggleCast. Don’t forget you can visit MuggleNet.com for a handy feedback form. That’s MuggleNet.com/feedback. There’s also a link where the old feedback form used to be, and you can contact anyone of us there. Or you could just use our first name at staff dot mugglenet dot com. Don’t forget, you can also visit MuggleCast.com for a variety of community outlet links, including our MySpace, our Frappr,, YouTube, Last.FM, Facebook, and the fanlisting and the fan forums located at MuggleCastFan.net. You can also follow us on Twitter.com/MuggleCast for the latest updates on the show, Digg the show at Digg.com, and vote for us once a month at Podcast Alley, which you have all been doing, so you’re all very good listeners. So there’s little pats on the head there.


Show Close


Andrew: So that does it for the show this week. Thank you, everyone, for listening, seriously, and…

Micah: When’s our next show?

Andrew: We will be back soon. You know, it was a good show.

Matt: When will we be back?

Andrew: We will be back next time.

Matt: When’s next time?

Andrew: We will be back next time. So, to wrap up the show today, I am Andrew Sims.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Matt: And I’m Matthew Britton.

Andrew: Thank you, everyone, for listening, we will see you next time, for Episode 159. Goodbye!

Matt: Bye.

Micah: Later.