MuggleCast 81 Transcript
Please note: Due to the nature of the show being live, there are some areas that were quite difficult to understand. These areas are marked as “unintelligible.” Other than that, enjoy our first live MuggleCast from England!
Andrew: Hey, everyone. This is Toots. And before we go to the live show that Jamie and I recorded on Saturday, March 17th, Saint Patty’s Day, I just wanted to point out that we did lose the first twenty to twenty-five minutes of the show. Basically, in the beginning of the show, we had a killer intro, and it killed. Trust me, the audience was on the floor. Just trust me. I know you won’t be able to hear it, but trust me. And also we did a Equus review.
The show is going to start off with a theory contest – halfway through a theory contest that we were doing during this live show. Apologies to everybody for the sound quality in some parts. It is a little bad because the audience did not have a microphone. We did really enjoy recording this event, however, and we hope everyone else enjoys it as well. And we’ll definitely consider doing more of these live events. MuggleCast-only live shows in the future. So, here it is now. We’re going to start it off twenty-five minutes into the show halfway through the theory contest.
And big thanks goes out to everyone who attended that day and Alivan’s at Alivan’s dot com. They make some great wands and they provided us with some great prizes for the event. So, here’s the show now. Enjoy.
Jamie: Next person? There?
Andrew: Go ahead. This guy right here. Say your name, where you come from. Nice t-shirt, by the way.
Male Audience Member: Oh, thanks.
Jamie: I like it.
Male Audience Member: I’m [unintelligible], from Canada, originally.
Female Audience Member: Woo-hoo!
Theory One: Selfless Act Transfers Soul
Male Audience Member: Okay, anybody who doesn’t want Harry to die might not want to listen to my theory.
Andrew: That doesn’t want Harry to die.
Male Audience Member: Doesn’t want Harry to die.
Jamie: I’m going to go now.
Male Audience Member: Okay, a little while ago I heard a theory that if you do something so selfless for somebody that – and you end up dying, that perhaps part of your soul can be transferred to them. And theory is this is how Harry got the green eyes, and this is how his love protection works. I was thinking that, perhaps in the seventh book, Harry will end up sacrificing himself for Ginny or Hermione or Ron or somebody in the trio. And his soul with get transferred to Voldemort, and the love in it will destroy him. And that’s how love will destroy Voldemort.
Audience Members: Oooh!
Jamie: I couldn’t help picturing a – for those of you who have seen The Matrix – I couldn’t help picturing Agent Smith flying into Voldemort.
Jamie: That would be awesome.
Andrew: Yeah, I remember talking about this on a recent show, too, that ultimately, love is what’s going to kill Voldemort; Harry’s love, Lily’s love.
Jamie: Could we just have a collective “aww.”
Audience Members: Aww.
Andrew: Me and you were sort of debating this on the train yesterday whether or not to discuss whether Harry should live or die. Because we sort of have contrasting opinions.
Jamie: Yeah, we do.
Andrew: I went into a little rant on a recent show, too, just about Harry – And Ben seconded this. I think that Harry has gotten away with – He’s won all of his battles, and he keeps just nearly escaping death. And it sounds terrible, but I agree with that kid. It’s either going to be love or he’s just going to [unintelligible].
Jamie: It’s pointless, debating this.
Jamie: He’s just going to live.
Andrew: Tell me why Harry should live, though.
Jamie: Well, no, I shouldn’t say that because we have a debate coming up where we’re going to have two sides…
Andrew: Oh, oh. I completely forgot about that, actually.
Jamie: Those people with theories want to come down?
Andrew: You and then you? [pointing to kid with Superman shirt] Superman?
Theory Two: Sirius’s Mirror
Female Audience Member: Okay. [unintelligible], and this is kind of a weird theory, but I really want a wand, so.
Female Audience Member: There’s this big thing going on about the mirror that Sirius gave Harry, and – Okay, this is going to sound totally unrelated, but it will mix in the end. When Snape eventually kills Dumbledore in the end of the sixth book, you hear Dumbledore pleading. And a lot of people just read that and think he’s begging Severus not to kill him, but really I think it’s the opposite; he’s asking Severus to kill him because it’s [unintelligible] in his death to help Harry. But I was reading up on the next film they’re making and from the information there and from the information from J.K. Rowling, it turns out that Dumbledore’s brother, Aberforth, is actually the landlord of the Hog’s Head. So, and in the sixth book you see Mundungus selling some things that he stole from Grimmauld Place to Aberforth. And I think that, while Sirius wouldn’t have the left the mirror hidden somewhere because he needs it to contact Harry, so he would have left it out on display. So I reckon Mundungus has probably stolen that and the sold it to Aberforth. And through Dumbledore – I think he must have realized somehow that, well, he’s done his deed. He’s killed Grindelwald and done that kind of bit. But he’s never really said that much about his brother, apart from he kind of went of his different path and went away. And the name Aberforth does actually mean to just wander off. So, well I reckon he kind of knew that he was trying to make some kind of connection to Harry to his brother via the mirror that Sirius gave him; to kind of help – to get Aberforth to help Harry kill Voldemort. If that made any sense at all.
Andrew: I think so.
Andrew: I just want to say, real quick, about that. Aberforth – I cannot wait to see Aberforth in Book 7 because I really think he’s going to give some sort of guidance to Harry, whether it involves just giving him some encouragement, saying, “Dumbledore wants you to do this.”
Jamie: Or goats because he’s famous…
Theory Three: The Locket And Grimmauld Place
Male Audience Member: Okay, my name’s Michael. I’m from London. I don’t know how I’m going to compete with that one. Or that one.
Male Audience Member: But basically, mine’s with the locket horcrux. Basically, it’s how it could be possibly linked with Sirius Black’s brother, Regulus, maybe taking the locket. And in Book 5 – as we know, J.K. Rowling loves to put little tasters in for us to then reflect back and be like, “How did we not see that?” Well, basically, when they’re cleaning out Grimmauld Place in the fifth book, Harry notices this locket that’s actually in the cabinet when they’re throwing stuff away. And I just think that’s something so J.K. Rowling to – suddenly she’s going to pull that back out, and that’s actually the link with Sirius’s brother actually taking the locket, it being in Grimmauld Place, and bringing Grimmauld Place back into the story for the final book, the final chapter.
Theory Contest Vote
Jamie: Now we’ll have a vote on it. I can’t actually what…
Andrew: What? Who did the first one?
Andrew: I think she did the first one.
Female Audience Member: Yeah. Don’t vote for me.
Andrew: Don’t vote for you?
Andrew: Alright. [laughs]
Andrew: She came second.
Jamie: And then three, four, and five. So should we have a vote for the first theory?
Andrew: It was like…
Female Audience Member: [unintelligible]
Andrew: By the way, only clap for one.
Andrew: Only your favorite one. So, what was yours, real quick? Summarize.
Female Audience Member: That someone else made a horcrux.
Andrew: Okay. Applause for that?
Jamie: Applause for that one?
[Moment of silence]
Andrew: Everyone who did a theory gets a shirt, anyway. So…
Andrew: I liked it. I liked it. [laughs] Yeah. This guy with the Harry…
Jamie: Do you want to summarize it quickly?
Male Audience Member: Yeah. Harry will sacrifice himself and his soul will get transferred to Voldemort and the love will kill Voldemort.
Jamie: Oh, the Agent Smith theory.
[Audience loudly applauds]
Andrew: And then…
Jamie: [Matrix impersonation] Mr. Anderson.
Andrew: Then who else…
Andrew: Sorry, who’s next?
Female Audience Member: That was the theory of Dumbledore, like, wanting to kill himself and then the mirror that Sirius gave Harry leading Harry to Aberforth, help him kill Voldemort.
Jamie: Applause for that?
Jamie: [laughs] And, finally…
Male Audience Member: The locket being a marvelous J.K. Rowling conversion into the fifth book which will arise in the last book.
Jamie: That was beautiful.
Andrew: I think that’s clever.
Jamie: Applause for that one?
Jamie: Bring the overwhelming winner over.
Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]
Jamie: Come up and get your wand.
Andrew: Everyone else, you guys can come up and get your t-shirts.
Andrew: By the way, it’s a trick. There’s nothing in the box.
Jamie: Oh, it’s just a box. We’ve taken the wand out.
Andrew: We should plug Alivan’s.
Andrew: I mean, they are a good wand company, and…
Female Audience Member: Tell us the properties of the wand.
Andrew: Oh, it’s – there’s a different wand for each. That’s, that’s probably – yeah.
Andrew: We didn’t see that in there.
Female Audience Member: Wow.
Andrew: You can just look down. What kind of wand is it? Right at the top.
Male Audience Member: Holly and ebony, twelve and a half inches.
Andrew: There you go.
Female Audience Member: Nice.
Andrew: There’s – they’re all different, so every time someone wins one, we’ll open it up. It’s a surprise.
Male Audience Member: Ooh.
Jamie: What’s coming next?
Andrew: Alright, so – oh, yeah, and by the way, everyone else who gave a theory, you can come up and pick a shirt.
Andrew: We’ve got tons of shirts. Actually, these are all leftover because WB won’t let us sell them anymore, so…
Andrew: I had four boxes of t-shirts mailed to me. [laughs] I – this isn’t even all of them.
Jamie: Yeah, it’s like a tenth of them.
Andrew: Yeah, and I could honestly open up a store in my house with the amount of MuggleCast t-shirts [laughs], so – by the way, a lot of fun carrying that on the Underground.
Andrew: But anyway…
Jamie: It was – ugh, don’t even want to think about it.
Andrew and Jamie’s Trip To EA
Andrew: So yesterday, Jamie and I went to Electronic Arts here in the UK to check out the Harry Potter video game. We had an awesome time. We spent a few hours there yesterday. They have a brand new facility. Where is it, Guildford?
Jamie: Guildford in Surrey.
Andrew: Guildford, yeah.
Jamie: And it’s amazing. A sort of glass, you know, building with almost glass floors and…
Jamie: …elevators. They’re very, very cool.
Andrew: Brand new, very high-tech. When you go into the lobby there’s video games there. We were playing the Goblet of Fire while we were there. [laughs]
Jamie: There was a Wii, a PS3, and there were all these games on it.
Andrew: So then, the representative who works with the media, like the fan sites and EA, she came and picked us up at the lobby, took us upstairs, and she said, “Wait until the doors open up.” The whole floor…
Andrew: …Harry Potter.
Jamie: …Harry Potter-based. It’s like they have a floor for each game.
Jamie: So you’ll have like, I mean, I can’t name any of the games, but…
Andrew: I was…
Jamie: Yeah, that was like a floor and then we get up, and you go out, and there’s a huge gold-plated Harry Potter sign there, and it’s like a Diagon Alley thing…
Andrew: With a Sirius – there’s a Sirius “Wanted” poster as a hologram. So like, you would look at it, you would see Sirius and then move a little to the left, and…
Jamie: Very cool.
Andrew: But, it’s amazing because there’s 120 people all on this one floor, working on the Harry Potter video game, so it’s an amazing team of people who are dedicated.
Jamie: And they really are. They’re fans, as well. You know, they aren’t just programmers who work on the game. They’re fans as well. And, I mean, we can’t say that much, they told us all this – they told all the work that’s going into it. The game looks absolutely unbelievable.
Jamie: It really does. I mean, I haven’t played a game before, I don’t know if anyone else has…
Andrew: Who has played the Harry Potter video games? And are a fan of them? They’re good, right? You guys like them?
Jamie: But this just blows everything else away. It’s absolutely – it’s just like a world, this thing. It’s amazing, absolutely amazing.
Andrew: It – yeah, even if you’re not a video game fan, I honestly think that anyone’s going to like this video game.
Andrew: Because you can go through all of Hogwarts, everywhere, and in the beginning, I think it is, they have a big pan-through to show all the grounds and everything. It’s amazing.
Jamie: It’s very, very cool.
Andrew: The PS3 version, I mean, you know, that’s a very powerful game system. The graphics are unbelievable.
Jamie: It’s very gorgeous. You have a question?
Male Audience Member: Yeah, can you tell us anything about the Wii version?
Jamie: We – yeah, it’s unbelievable.
Andrew: The Wii version…
Jamie: Or it’s going to be. It really is.
Andrew: We haven’t actually played it, but they’re very excited for it. I mean, the Wii, for everyone who doesn’t know, it’s…
Jamie: Everyone knows what a Wii is.
Andrew: Does everyone know?
Audience Members: Yeah. [laughs]
Andrew: Alright, well, sorry. [laughs]
Jamie: He thinks we British people are so far behind on that.
Andrew: Sorry. By the way, is there any Americans here to support me in this little world? [laughs] Okay.
Female Audience Member: I lived there for four years.
Jamie: Oh, really?
Andrew: Oh, yeah? Cool. So, yeah, the Wii version, they’re very excited about, because you have the remote control, and you’re going to be doing spells with them, so, you know Wingardium Leviosa and stuff like that, I think there’s going to be like, twelve. When we had them on MuggleCast for an interview about two or three months ago, and we talked with the two guys who we met yesterday. They were very excited about it, and one guy, Matt, is a huge Harry Potter fan, so you know that the game is going to be…
Jamie: It really is.
Andrew: There’s so many insights. The game is – It’s actually unbelievable how good this game is going to be. It’s just great, it – really.
Jamie: Should we go onto our debate now?
Debate: Should Harry Die?
Jamie: Okay, we’re going to have a “Should Harry Die” – not could – “Should Harry in the Final Book?” What we’re going to do is, we’re going to pick three people, one for the “for Harry should die,” one for the “against Harry should die,” and the winning team gets a wand each.
Jamie: So, who wants to argue for…?
Andrew: There’s three wands.
Andrew: Oh, oh! I get it now. Okay.
Jamie: He’s had a long trip.
Andrew: [laughs] Yes.
Jamie: So who wants to argue for “should Harry die?” Yeah?
Andrew: Of course, you’ve got…
Andrew: Alright, do we have three right there? Alright, so you guys have all seen how the debate segment works on MuggleCast, and it’s usually Ben’s thing, but we didn’t tell him, so…
Andrew: Usually he’ll run into all the technical terms. So yeah, you guys can come up and – how are we going to do this?
Jamie: Three on this side, three on that side, and you get three minutes each, a minute each to represent your case. A minute each to represent your case, and then we’ll have an audience clapping session again.
Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.
Jamie: We like those now.
Andrew: Yeah, they’re fun.
Jamie: And so, yes, so who’s on for “should Harry die?” Or rather, “Harry should die.” Okay, you ready to come up? You?
Jamie: You, but if you win, you’re getting a scarf or something.
Andrew: Yeah, you don’t get another wand.
Male Audience Member: I’ll fight for “shouldn’t.”
Andrew: “Shouldn’t?” Okay.
Jamie: Oh, you’re “shouldn’t.” Okay, yeah. Come up for “shouldn’t.”
Female Audience Member: “Shouldn’t.”
Andrew: We’ll get everyone. Everyone’s going to have a chance to participate.
Jamie: Yeah, we’re going to open it, open it up to the audience afterwards. Okay, so, do you want – do you want a couple of minutes to think about it?
Female Audience Member: Yeah, we need to, we need to huddle up right now.
Jamie: Group hugging.
Andrew: Group hug.
[Each team begins discussing amongst themselves]
Andrew: So, basically, we’ll just go over the rules, while we’re…
Jamie: Okay, yeah. Basically, each team gets three minutes to report their case. Then, we leave it up to the audience. You can then grill them and ask as many questions as you want, so yeah.
Andrew: On the show, usually Ben goes into all the technical terms.
Andrew: I don’t understand that nonsense.
Jamie: He thinks that because he does the debate thing that he’s amazing.
Andrew: Yeah. How much time are we giving this?
Jamie: Another minute or something?
Where Is Everyone From?
Andrew: So, who here is from – how many people actually live here in England?
[Majority of audience raises hands]
Andrew: Oh, wow. What’s your weirdest locations, or furthest?
Audience Member: [unintelligible]
Jamie: I don’t even know where that is, and I live here.
Andrew: No, name your country.
Female Audience Member: Canada!
Andrew: We’ve got Canada. We’ve got some people here from Canada. Visiting for Equus?
Andrew: [Continuing conversation with unheard audience member] What did you come for? Don’t say us. Oh, okay. Cool.
Jamie: Awesome. Okay, should we…
Debate Team #1: Harry Should Die
Andrew: Yeah. Alright, are you guys ready to start?
Female Debate Participant #1: Yeah, sure. I’m not doubting myself at all.
Andrew: Alright, so…
Jamie: Want to give them the mic?
Andrew: Yeah. Okay, so what you’re going to do – you’re going to have two minutes?
Andrew: Three minutes to prove your case. So come over here to the side.
Female Debate Participant #1: Three minutes?
Andrew: Three minutes max. So, whenever you’re ready.
Jamie: One, two, three, and go.
Male Debate Participant #1: Okay, Harry has to die.
Jamie: Good argument.
Female Debate Participant #1: Because we have the theory.
Male Debate Participant #1: Yeah, my theory. Harry has to die.
Female Debate Participant #1: Oh man. [turns to other team member] What was your theory?
Female Debate Participant #2: Okay. From just a standpoint of people copying J.K. Rowling’s books and stuff, Harry has to die because then there would be sequels and those wouldn’t be as good as the original, and we just need – and what bigger way can the series end than Harry killing Voldemort? I mean, he won’t have a life after that. What is he going to do, something boring?
Female Debate Participant #2: It’s all exciting because he’s always trying to kill Voldemort, but once Voldemort’s dead…
Male Debate Participant #1: What can he do?
Female Debate Participant #2: Exactly.
Female Debate Participant #1: He can go to Career Finder…
Female Debate Participant #1: No, I just think that, obviously, one can’t live while the other survives, and it just seems, probability-wise, as far as – even wands and trying to killing each other, there’s going to be some sort of tussle in the mud…
Female Debate Participant #1: …and there is going to be an awkward slamming-faces-at-same-time – death. Or – it’s just too sad to think, really, that Harry is going to stay alive and we’re not going to be able to see him living.
Female Debate Participant #1: I’d rather he just went and we could go, “Okay, it’s fine.”
Jamie: And cry for a week.
Female Debate Participant #1: Yeah.
Jamie: And a half. Years.
Female Debate Participant #1: And the rest of our lives.
Male Debate Participant #1: Oh, everybody…
Jamie: Oh, I’ve got – Sorry. Carry on.
Male Debate Participant #1: Are we over?
Andrew: Yeah, you’re probably over.
Jamie: You’ve probably got about twenty seconds. Twenty seconds.
[Team looks to Female Debate Participant #1]
Female Debate Participant #1: Oh, thanks. Everyone points to me.
Female Debate Participant #1: I just – he has to fulfill the prophecy, obviously. I just think he should die, if only for everyone’s sanity, and so nobody pesters Jo to write any more books.
Jamie: Okay, thank you very much.
Debate Team #2: Harry Shouldn’t Die
Jamie: Now, for Harry not dying. Three minutes and go.
Male Debate Participant #2: Okay, I’m going to go on with the idea of moral ethics, and the idea that in every good story, good triumphs over evil, so I’m just going to stick to those guidelines. Secondly, my idea for the name, Deathly Hallows is that it’s going to be fought on All Hallows Eve, or Halloween night, because that’s the day Voldemort tried to kill Harry in the first place, so I can see it being a repeat of destiny. So, Harry will win again, I think. And, as Andrew said, anyone who looks that good naked should deserve to live.
Male Debate Participant #2: That’s my idea.
Female Debate Participant #3: Basically, if Harry dies before he actually gets a chance to defeat Voldemort, then I think the wizarding world is going to die.
[Audience members laugh]
Female Debate Participant #3: Because he’d be the only person to be able to kill him, and if he doesn’t, then it’s just going to end up in ruins. Yeah, there would be nobody left to kill Voldemort, and if he defeats Voldemort, then he gets what he’s always wanted; to lead a normal life. And I think it’s better if Harry’s happy rather than all the ex-Death Eater people.
Jamie: One minute.
Female Debate Participant #4: Okay, I think that Harry shouldn’t die because the whole thing with J.K. Rowling is that she’s trying to say that death isn’t everything, like with Dumbledore saying there were things more evil than death or whatever, and so I don’t think he will die, but I think he will go into Azkaban and have his soul sucked out or something, but he won’t die.
Female Debate Participant #4: He will live. Yeah.
Jamie: Okay, we’ve got twenty seconds.
Female Audience Member #4: He should live.
Female Audience Member #3: If Harry dies, I will cry for years to come.
Jamie: Okay, it’s about done.
Andrew: Would everyone cry if Harry did die?
[Mixed ‘yes’ and ‘no’ replies from audience]
Andrew: I think it would depend on how it was presented.
Jamie: If it just ends the book, and then it says, “Oh, yeah, and he dies at the end.” I wouldn’t cry.
Questions For Debate Teams
Andrew: What, you have some feedback? Alright.
Jamie: Okay, we have questions to that “Harry should die.”
Andrew: Grill them. Feel free to grill them.
Male Debate Participant #1: Yeah, grill us.
Female Debate Participant #1: Yeah, kill them now.
Jamie: Over there? Are you scratching your hair, or are you…
Jamie: Okay, sorry.
Female Audience Member: If Harry dies, then Voldemort will still live, and then people will still try to make sequels about Voldemort trying to kill people and them fighting back.
Female Debate Participant #1: Oh, I’m not trying to say that if Harry dies, then that means Voldemort lives. I’m just saying that Harry might, because J.K says there is nothing worse than whatever, but death isn’t the final thing. I think Harry can then go do something that Voldemort will never expect, which is kill himself to kill Voldemort. So Voldemort will die, but Harry will have to die to kill him.
Male Debate Participant #1: Like sacrificing.
Female Audience Member #2: Exactly.
Male Debate Participant #1: Just because Harry dies doesn’t mean Voldemort doesn’t also die.
Female Debate Participant #1: Exactly. I do think Voldemort will definitely die, but Harry will also.
Jamie: Okay, thank you. Question over there?
Female Audience Member: Well, it’s like – People were talking about similarities between Agatha Christie’s Poirot, and Harry – She killed off Poirot so she wouldn’t actually have to write any more books about him, and so she wouldn’t have to or be able to because he was dead. But then you think about Sherlock Holmes, and he killed off Sherlock Holmes so that he wouldn’t be able to come back. In the ultimate showdown between good and evil, Sherlock Holmes kills Moriarity, but then he brought back Sherlock Holmes, so I just don’t think it’s going to work. That’s all I have to say.
Female Debate Participant #1: That’s excellent.
Andrew: Okay, so one more question over here.
Female Audience Member: Because J.K. Rowling is writing a children’s book, generally in a children’s book, the main hero doesn’t die.
Male Debate Participant #1: She never said that it’s a children’s book.
Female Debate Participant #1: And there’s definitely been death.
Male Debate Participant #1: She never said she was writing it for children or for adults; she just said she was writing it, so good can win as easily as evil.
Jamie: Any other questions?
Female Audience Member: Can I just say that I think everybody is too caught up on what they think J.K. Rowling [unintelligible] and I just think, we’re Harry Potter fans; this is the Harry Potter world, okay? Think of it as if it’s real. Why won’t he live and why will he live? It’s got to do with the book, not with what J.K. Rowling says or whatever. She said about the forgotten prophecy, she said she worded that prophecy very well and there was a time, I don’t know, maybe it’s old enough, but she said that no one had actually picked up on exactly what Fawkes meant.
Female Audience Member: I still think that no one has completely gotten it. How do we know that’s exactly what Fawkes’ singing means? It seems too straight forward for me, and I just think everybody keeps talking about yeah, “he’s not going to die because this is JK Rowling, because how can she kill off a main character?” But I mean, you can’t think that like the essence of the book and the theme of the book and what’s happening in the book and in the wizarding world.
Female Debate Participant #1: There’s only four options, isn’t there? It’s like they both live, they both die, one dies, and the other dies.
Male Debate Participant #1: The other dies.
Female Debate Participant #1: There’s only four options so everyone’s set.
Jamie: Or they all live happily every after.
Andrew: Yeah. [Laughs]
Female Debate Participant #1: Or we have that Voldemort suddenly gets like a little…
Female Debate Participant #1: He turns a new leaf.
Jamie: An epiphany. “I’ve been really mean, actually.”
Andrew: Let’s start – I’m starting, we’re on this side now.
Jamie: Any questions from the “Harry should not die?”
Male Audience Member: I have a couple.
Jamie: Okay, here.
Male Audience Member: Well, I’m not going – Well I’m probably going to get booed for this but, along the lines that Harry’s a Horcrux theory, Harry says to Dumbledore in the office, “So he put a bit of himself into me?” and Dumbledore says, “Yes, he did.” And that, in a way, implies that he could be. I’m not saying it is, but it’s a theory that could be true, and if that was true, Harry would have to die. But also, he had Priori Incantatem in Book 4, and there’s nothing to say that it couldn’t be something like that. Not necessarily Priori Incantatem but something similar to it that we don’t know about yet that happened between the two, which could result in both of them dying.
Jamie: On that thing, I’ve always wondered this, if they can’t fight with their wands because, as you say, Priori Incantatem happens, what is going to happen? It has to come down to love, you know, that she says Harry’s going to kill him with love, but…
Male Audience Member: A mortal death would be the ultimate insult to Voldemort.
Male Audience Member: Not to be killed with a wand, be killed in a mortal way.
Jamie: Through something else.
Male Audience Member: Because he hates being part Muggle.
Female Audience Member: I think Harry’s not going to be able to kill off the horcruxes, like to destroy them. And what’s something would be quite ironic is if Voldemort were killed by Muggles because I believe that Muggles…
Female Debate Participant #1: Drunk driving.
Female Audience Member: … so if Muggles got pitchforks or something and started…
Female Audience Member: …chasing after Voldemort, it would be quite ironic.
Jamie: With burning torches and stuff.
Jamie: Anyone else? There?
Female Audience Member: You said that it was like all good stories have an ending where good triumphs over evil. Won’t that be a bit typical, that the best story every ends like every single other fairy tale? In real life, it’s not like some little person who doesn’t have any powers, so he beats the super powerful person, so it would be a bit unrealistic.
Male Audience Member: I think it would be quite ironic. Because here we all are thinking, “No, she’s not going to do that. She’ll do something completely off the record, something really new.” I think it would be just something like her to do something that we’re not expecting, so do the conventional rather than something out of the ordinary.
Jamie: And in the back row.
Female Audience Member: And all the way through the books it says that death isn’t the final thing. I think Harry’s earned the right to be happy and peaceful at the end of the books with his parents that he’s always wanted to meet in the books. So if Harry dies he’ll have that final reunion.
Male Audience Member: So long story short, dying’s a good thing then.
Andrew: That’s true. I like that point. I like that.
Andrew: And plus, whoever else dies in the final book, I don’t know if you said that, but I mean, they’ll be with Harry too.
Audience Members: Awww.
Male Audience Member: They’re all going to die.
Andrew: This girl right here?
Female Audience Member: What’s he going to do if he lives? He’s going to be – go away from Hogwarts? Is he just going to, like, go around with Ron and Hermione and just…?
Female Audience Member: Quidditch.
Male Audience Member: I think a good reply for that would be, what would Voldemort do if Harry dies? What would he do?
Female Audience Member: He’ll kill more people.
Male Audience Member: I know, but no one wants to see that.
Female Audience Member: No, but their point is…
Male Audience Member: Harry is a tragic hero character. I think the sort of life he’d live after beating Voldemort is just the sort of life you would live. It’s like he’s never had a really good life, when you think about it, so it would suit it to carry on being a normal life, I think.
Jamie: Right at the back.
Female Audience Member: I think that one of the trio has to die, so wouldn’t it be better for Harry to die? Because Ron and Hermione are so sweet together.
Female Audience Member: Harry has had such a hard life. I just want him to die, really.
Jamie: This is depressing.
Male Audience Member: Yeah, I’m not really sure what to say to that except that he’s had a hard life, so therefore he deserves to die.
Male Audience Member: I’m sure there are a lot of people who wouldn’t agree with that. I think he deserves to be happy, but you know.
Female Debate Participant #1: He just needs a bit of a lie down.
Andrew: Just take a break for a while.
Lord of the Rings Comparison
Jamie: Can I just do this? I love making comparisons between different series and stuff like that, so the first person to make a Lord of the Rings comparison between this – should Harry die – and Lord of the Rings gets a free book. So, come on now. In the back, you first.
Female Audience Member: Well, it could be along the lines where he doesn’t actually get killed by Voldemort. He survives, but he’s scarred by the pain and so, you know, he’d be like Frodo when he died.
Male Audience Member: Like when Frodo got into the boat, Harry could just walk into the veil.
Jamie: Okay, you can have a book. That was very good.
Jamie: We have two more questions. There.
Female Audience Member: One of the sacrifices Harry has to make is giving up his [Unintelligible].
Female Debate Participant #1: Oh, I like it. It was all a dream.
Jamie: Isn’t there a series where that happens? Somebody gives up their powers.
Female Audience Member: Labyrinth. She goes and…
Jamie: I don’t know, could be. One more question. In the back.
Andrew: Did you have something you wanted to say?
Male Audience Member: I would say Book 7 has to end with a Little House on the Prairie kind of home.
Male Audience Member: Harry with the kids, and Ginny [unintelligible].
Jamie: I like it.
Andrew: That’s what the prologue’s for. She said she’s going to have a prologue, so…
Audience Members: Epilogue.
Andrew: Epilogue, sorry.
Jamie: It has been a long trip.
Jamie: Okay, shall we take it to a vote?
Jamie: All those in favor of that “Harry should die?”
Jamie: And all those who think “Harry should not die?”
[Audience applauds and cheers]
Andrew: Sorry, guys.
Female Debate Participant #1: He shouldn’t, but he will.
Andrew: I suppose. So, pick up your wands there.
Jamie: Take a t-shirt, as well.
Male Audience Member: Thank you very much.
Andrew: By the way, today’s MuggleNet stickers are sponsored by Emerson Spartz. We can all have a…
Andrew: …round of applause for Emerson, who…
Jamie: Who is currently with Ben, touring the U.S., signing these books.
Jamie: Having a good time, apparently.
Jamie: Oh, yeah, so I don’t forget to mention – those tickets there at the beginning, those raffle tickets. Soon we are going to auction off this Triwizard Cup, which is very nice.
Andrew: From the Noble Collection.
Andrew: W.B. sent it to me a couple – Back when we had to do a contest on MuggleNet, and…
Jamie: He forgot to mail it.
Andrew: I forgot to mail it. And so we’re going to give it away today.
Jamie: So, there is a fan somewhere around who doesn’t know where their Triwizard Cup is.
Andrew: It’s very heavy and a bit dangerous because it’s very sharp.
Jamie: Yeah, it is sharp. You have to be careful.
Andrew: I was afraid this wasn’t going to make it through the airport because that’s like a weapon.
Scholastic’s Promotional Campaign
Andrew: Okay, so what else do we want to talk about?
Jamie: I think we should talk about the news. The promotional campaign that – is it Scholastic?
Andrew: It’s Scholastic.
Jamie: Yeah. It’s massive. And…
Jamie: Go on, sorry.
Andrew: They – If you’ve been reading up on MuggleNet, I mean, one of the recent stories was that Scholastic announced their campaign to promote the book. Honestly, I don’t think that it needs to be promoted at all.
Jamie: Yeah, it really doesn’t.
Andrew: They could tell people, “Don’t buy it,” and it will still sell.
Jamie: I think one of the big things is that they are having a 12 million copy initial print run of Deathly Hallows and Half-Blood Prince was less.
Andrew: 10.8 million.
Andrew: 10.8 [laughs]
Jamie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andrew: So, I mean, it’s really amazing. They keep boosting it up. I think they could do it for 20 million and sell every one.
Jamie: What is this – sorry – what is this “Seven Questions of Harry Potter Campaign?”
Andrew: Part of the campaign that they are doing. They’re having some interesting techniques. Bloomsbury hasn’t announced their plans, otherwise we’d be talking about them for you guys. But Scholastic is going to do seven questions, big questions leading up to July 20 – July 21st. I can’t believe I just forgot the date.
Andrew: And it’s an interesting way to gather hype, and I guess we’ll be talking about them on the show. They are going to be releasing one every other week, so…
Andrew: I mean, I guess the questions could just be like “Snape: Good or bad?” “Will Harry find the horcruxes?”
Jamie: Yeah. Exactly.
Jamie: Sorry, go on.
Andrew: And I don’t really see the point, but okay.
Jamie: Yeah, and the campaign starts April 17th, so we’re wondering if we are going to have a cover by then. A U.K. cover and a U.S. cover, and what’s going to be on them.
Andrew: I think we would have to because this is a very serious promotional campaign.
Andrew: April 17th is not far off at all, and the manuscript has been finished. I’m sure that Mary GrandPre and – who’s the U.K. illustrator?
Jamie: You put me on the spot there.
Male Audience Member: It changes.
Andrew: Oh, it changes. Oh, okay.
Jamie: We knew that.
[Andrew and Audience laugh]
Andrew: Just quizzing you.
Andrew: It’s a shame it’s not out now. It would be great to talk about. Put it up on the projection screen and stuff.
Jamie: But it is going to be exciting, and I think this will completely underline the entire Harry Potter summer things. We have a campaign running to the book and have all the movie promotion stuff. So, Harry Potter is where you should be this summer. You really should.
Andrew: “The summer to remember,” in the words of Dylan Spartz. [laughs]
Jamie: It really is the summer to remember, yeah.
Time Between The Movie And Book
Andrew: Is anyone excited that the book and movie are only eight days apart?
Jamie: Yeah, we should talk about that.
Andrew: Excited? disappointed?
[Mixed answers from audience]
Andrew: We’ll start with excited. Is anyone excited?
Audience Members: Yes. Yeah.
Andrew: Yeah? I think it’s going to be crazy.
Jamie: It is going to be crazy.
Andrew: The site’s going to be huge.
Jamie: But there is going to be a down right after that that’s going to last forever. Whereas if you had…
Jamie: But if we had the movie in July and then we had the book in November or early next year or something, see, then we could really hype it up. I was very sad, I must say, when they said it was July 21st.
Andrew: You told the story.
Jamie: Yeah, yeah. Let’s not talk about that then.
Andrew: [laughs] Basically Jamie was confident that, I don’t remember it exactly.
Jamie: So, confident that it wasn’t going to come out that I said I would eat fifty sausages, and then it did come out…
Andrew: No, I’m talking about your discussion with Ben the night before.
Jamie: Oh, yeah. I was going to bed the night before and I said to him, “Look, trust me on this, I know these things, it will not come out in July.”
Jamie: And then the next day about ten hours later he said, “J.K.R. announces huge July release plans.” And Ben’s, you know…
Andrew: So alright, disappointment. You’ve got to be excited. There’s got to be excitement with you guys, right?
Female Audience Member: Excitement mixed with a bit of like – I mean, I thought it was going to come in 2008 and now it’s ending and I don’t want it to end.
Jamie: Yeah, and even though we have the movies afterwards, Harry Potter will be over. It’s like moving [unintelligible] again. That is a big [unintelligible].
Andrew: I try to look on the upside. Because people always ask me, “How long are you going to be able to keep doing this podcast for?” And I keep telling them, “Well, Movie 7 isn’t going to be out until – I think it’s projected to be 2011.”
Jamie: No, no.
Andrew: So, of course the podcast has a lot of time left in there.
Jamie: Yeah, so…
Andrew: Plus, we’ll just get bored of it and we’ll just cut it off, but…
Jamie: I want to do a game.
Andrew: Another game?
Jamie: Yeah, I want to do a game, I want to do – [impersonating Micah] Best Micah impressions.
Andrew: Oh, okay.
Jamie: [impersonating Micah] Does anyone like to come up here and talk like me. Come up now.
Andrew: Can anyone do a good Micah impression? We usually impersonate him.
Jamie: All the time, yeah.
Andrew: What you don’t see on the show is, I’ll go, “Let’s go to Micah for the past week’s top Harry Potter news. Micah.” And either Ben or Jamie will go…
Jamie: [impersonating Micah] “Thanks, Andrew.”
Andrew: [impersonating Micah] “Thanks, Andrew.”
Jamie: [impersonating Micah] The latest Harry Potter news.
Andrew: And then we usually make some vulgar joke. And then they go…
Jamie: [impersonating Micah] “Back to you, Andrew.”
Andrew: Yeah, okay.
Jamie: So someone’s got to do a Micah impression. And what do we have for that? A tie and a scarf, and they’re very nice. The ties are very nice. So are the scarves.
Jamie: Over there.
Andrew: Just jump.
Andrew: Nice, nice.
Jamie: A Spiderman jump there.
Andrew: What does he…
Andrew: “Thanks, Micah – Thanks, guys. In other Harry Potter news,” and then say a story.
Male Audience Member: [impersonating Micah] Thanks, Andrew.
Andrew: I think Ben is very good at impersonating people. He can do you very well. I – he can’t really impersonate me. I just – or he just doesn’t, maybe that’s the answer.
Male Audience Member: Hi, everybody. My name really is Micah.
Andrew and Jamie: Really?
Andrew: Wow. You win automatically.
Jamie: That’s nice.
Male Audience Member: That’s my Micah impression.
Jamie: Just being him. Saying that – being him. One in the back.
Female Audience Member: Oooh, a girl.
Jamie: [Hands over the microphone] There you go.
Female Audience Member: [impersonating Micah] Thanks, Andrew.
[Everyone laughs and applauds]
Vote On Micah Impressions
Jamie: Should we vote on that? The cheering thing’s going. Okay, first impression?
[Audience applauds and cheers]
Jamie: Second impression?
Jamie: And third impression.
[Few audience members applaud]
Jamie: We have a winner over there.
Andrew: I don’t know if people would understand this one. Our Kevin impressions?
Jamie: They’re too hard.
Andrew: [impersonating Kevin] No, no, Windows 3.1.
Andrew: [impersonating Kevin] Vista.
Main Discussion: Harry and Ginny
Jamie: Okay. We are going to have a main discussion now because we think that – well, this is an issue that…
[Micah impersonation winner switches scarves]
Andrew: He switched the colors he wanted to get.
Jamie: Oh, [laughs] sorry. Now, I think this is big. When we were planning this Andrew was like, “You can’t bring this up again, it’s been done to death.” It has been done to death, but everyone has views on this so: Should Harry and Ginny get back together? Obviously, it’s a huge thing in Half-Blood Prince. Ginny is like, “I knew you were going to say that,” and Harry’s, “I can’t take you with.” Some people think he’s being careless, he brings too much say in what he has to do. Other people think that he is being the perfect gentleman saying, “I can’t bring you with, I have this huge task to do.” What do people think?
Male Audience Member: He wasn’t going to take Ginny to the Ministry of Magic or any of that lot, but she still came along and still held her own and stuff so…
Jamie: Yeah, I mean – And you can’t ignore the fact that these people are helpful in this battle. Harry can’t, however he is, he can’t take on every single person, you know? In the back?
Female Audience Member: You can’t stop love.
Audience Members: Awww.
Female Audience Member: Because she’ll just end up dying.
Jamie: It’s a fair point, it really is.
Female Audience Member: I reckon like, you know, Lily sacrificed herself for Harry, I reckon Harry should save Ginny.
Female Audience Member: And, sort of, Voldemort died the first time, he’ll die the second time.
Female Audience Member: By that time Harry would, sort of, [unintelligible].
Jamie: And then Harry and Ginny will walk in to the sunset.
Jamie: Arm in arm.
Andrew: That’s not bad.
Jamie: I like that.
Male Audience Member: He said something like he didn’t want Hermione and Ron to come with him. He wasn’t as strong with it, but they’re still going to come along…
Jamie: Yeah they will now, yeah.
Male Audience Member: I don’t see why Ginny shouldn’t. I don’t see why Ginny – She’s forceful, she’s going to find another way.
Jamie: Yeah. You there?
Male Audience Member: I think if we think about it, I think Ginny is [unintelligible] Voldemort. And accompany that with the fact that she is a very good fighter and very, sort of, [unintelligible]. I would say even the first book that Harry is nothing without [unintelligible].
Jamie: But do you think it’s pushing her luck? She is – Obviously, Chamber of Secrets was huge. You know, when she – she could have easily have died there. Do you think her going again is pushing her luck and sort of, you know.
Male Audience Member: I don’t think so, I think I see it sort of a separate parts. One part it will be Harry and Ginny, and the other part will be the original three.
Male Audience Member: That’s how I see it.
Jamie: Good. There?
Female Audience Member: And also, there’s something else that screams that Harry shouldn’t die. I mean, because I don’t think Ginny’s going to come along with them to find the horcruxes. But when he comes back, then they will get back together. And then they will have something to celebrate.
Jamie: Yeah. Thanks. Over there?
Female Audience Member: Well, I think Ginny wouldn’t only want to kill Voldemort because he tried to kill her, and the fact that he wants to kill her boyfriend. She also hates him for what he did to her because he wrecked her first year at school. [unintelligible].
Jamie: [laughs] Yeah.
Female Audience Member: So, she’s got the personal grudge against him. And also, how do you fathom [unintelligible] the seventh Horcrux or the end of this sort of thing. [unintelligible]
Jamie: Yeah, well he needs to love, you know, everything’s – [laughs] Yeah.
Female Audience Member: Well, the whole basis of Harry Potter is on love. So Harry should be around the people he loves. You know, to defeat Voldemort. The power of the people he loves who love him.
Jamie: Yeah, it’s been explored extensively, where the power that he has. I think it has to be explored. It has been Harry and Cho and, you know, Ron and Lavender, which was just disgusting.
Jamie: Yeah, so I think Harry has to get something.
Female Audience Member: I think it’s going to be similar to that kind of thing. When Harry met Sirius he had this friendship with him and just as he got to know the bloke he died. That’s going to be pretty similar with Ginny. Just as he’s got this kind of relationship with her, I think she is going to die and it’s got that – There’s this huge deal made for her having red hair. And Lily has red hair. And Lily’s green eyes – and, correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Ginny’s got green eyes, doesn’t she?
Audience Members: Brown Eyes.
Female Audience Member: Anyway, she has red hair.
Female Audience Member: It sounds freakishly like Ginny is going to do a Lily and die for Harry.
Jamie: On the question of eyes, I have a trivia question. First one to shout out gets a book. What color are Sirius’s eyes?
Audience members: Gray!
Jamie: Oh, you have a wand, as well.
Andrew: Cleaning up.
Jamie: [Laughs] Cleaning out the prizes. Okay, back to the discussion. There?
Harry/Ginny And Hermione/Ron
Male Audience Member: [unintelligible] In Grimmauld Place, Molly and Sirius are arguing about what Harry should know. When she says Harry is as good as her son, if Harry and Ginny really did get married, he basically will be a son.
Male Audience Member: Plus, if Ron and Hermione got married, they’d be a family.
Jamie: That kind of angered me, though, when she said that. “He’s basically my son.” I thought she was really undermining what Sirius did. Because it isn’t his fault he got thrown in Azkaban. He just wanted a chance to be Harry’s dad, really, because James is gone. I thought that that was a bit mean of her.
Female Audience Member: The whole, you know, “there is something worse than death,” is something that there has to have – that is going to be Ginny dying and he is going to do an Unforgivable Curse and be really, really evil and be able kill Voldemort.
Jamie: Force grip him thing.
Female Audience Member: I think if Harry got to [unintelligible] it would be far too predictable. And even if [unintelligible] books, it’s far too much of a cheesy ending to the Harry Potter books. I mean, I don’t think it’s that if Ginny dies and Harry goes to avenge her death, and using that love that he has for her, that’s a better use for that love than just going and be like “I’m going to kiss you, Voldemort,” and kill him.
Female Audience Member: And also, [unintelligible] that leaves so many opportunities for [unintelligible] and have such a good time. So…
Jamie: But how much does he actually like her? I mean, because he liked Cho as well, so he liked both of them, but to what extent does he love her?
Female Audience Member: This isn’t my theory, but my friend has a theory that it’s love potion because when – he doesn’t really start liking her until he smells her in Felix Felicis and she was thinking about buying that love potion in Fred and George’s shop, and she has this amazing love theory that took her about an hour and a half to explain. That’s Jaz.
Female Audience Member: It’s like in Pokemon when they have…
Jamie: Come get a t-shirt.
Andrew: I like where you’re going with this.
Female Audience Member: Ash has black hair and Missy, the one that they think, not until after – it just – she has red hair.
Jamie: This is good.
Female Audience Member: I think that J.K. Rowling watches Pokemon. She watches a lot of it, so she obviously that the black-haired boy should be with the ginger girl and…
Andrew: [laughs] Do people like Pokemon references?
[Shouts from audience]
Andrew: No, you don’t? We got a couple complaints, but I find them amazing because they’re spot on.
Jamie: Who would have thought – Harry Potter and Pokemon?
Andrew: I know!
Female Audience Member: I think Harry has had feelings for Ginny from probably close to the beginning, but not necessarily noticed them. I mean, he’s – she’s been a part of his life as long as Ron has, so he met her right from the very beginning. She’s always been there sort of lurking in the background. Even when he was obsessed with Cho, he still – he always had this certain awareness of Ginny there, and it wasn’t until after he gets rid of his infatuation with Cho that he starts to finally realize the feelings that had been developing for years on end.
Jamie: For Ginny. Yeah. In the back?
Female Audience Member: I think that when Harry and Ginny first met, she was all shy and Harry couldn’t see it, it didn’t stop here from getting in the sixth book. So I think where Hermione [unintelligible] that Ginny has. I also don’t think it’s right that Harry should die a virgin.
Jamie: Who could possibly come after that?
Jamie: Right in the back.
Female Audience Member: It wouldn’t be J.K.R to mess around with Ginny. She’s part of the Weasley family. So, if Harry didn’t love Ginny, then they probably wouldn’t do that.
Jamie: Right. Far in the back.
Female Audience Member: I think that Ginny and Harry will get together, but then Harry will do the whole, “No, you can’t come with me,” and they’ll break up. But then she’ll go with him anyway. [unintelligible]
Jamie: [laughs] Nice. Anyone else? There?
Female Audience Member: I think that Harry is really underestimating Ginny with, like, “Oh, you can’t come. It’s too dangerous,” and then they’ll meet at the wedding and it’s been building up for so long.
Andrew: Oh, the wedding, yeah. That’d be a good place to build it up a little bit more.
Jamie: They can link hands suddenly.
Andrew: Ginny can catch the bouquet.
Jamie: But do you think he loves her because he has to have someone to love?
Female Audience Member: No, I think he absolutely loves her, and it’s been going on for so long.
Female Audience Member: I think Voldemort doesn’t love. He’s only got everyone else because he summons them. I think Harry has the power to love – all his people, all his friends – they should kind of work together and that is what will defeat Voldemort in the end, whereas Voldemort is just alone and stuff.
Jamie: But isn’t the point that he can’t love – which is why love can be so deadly against him?
Male Audience Member: I can see a big frenzied battle between Harry and Voldemort, and they go so crazy at it and then Ginny’s the one that pulls Harry back and Voldemort – that kind of destroys him.
Jamie: Like the Witch King in Return of the King.
Jamie: She stabs a dagger into his leg. I would love to see that.
Jamie: Over there?
Andrew: Go ahead.
Female Audience Member: You know how in the first book when they save Hermione from the troll, and it says you can’t go through something like this without liking the person? Well, it’s kind of like in the second book when Harry saves Ginny from the Basilisk. Maybe they wouldn’t have wound up together – they couldn’t go through that together without there being some sort of connection. Maybe the fact he loves her so much – maybe he can use her wand to defeat Voldemort because their love enhances the power of the wand, and that’s how he can defeat him without using his wand.
Andrew: That’s very nice. I like that.
Jamie: Nice. Over there?
Female Audience Member: [unintelligible] has the capacity to love her. So, I mean, they haven’t been going out for very long in the 6th book, and he breaks it off, and Snape knows they’ve been going out. [unintelligible] But it’s not that he doesn’t love her, it’s due to the love he could have for her.
Jamie: But is it him being selfless saying, you know, “You can’t come with him.” Or is he being, you know.
Male Audience Member: He’ll still be alone. He’s still got a lot to learn. You can’t push someone away from you.
Male Audience Member: If he does love her, then that’s going to overrule any of this [unintelligible] feelings. He can still protect her in some way.
Jamie: Also, Voldemort can still get to her. Just because she isn’t with him the entire way, you know. He knows now that they love each other.
Andrew: I just don’t see there being much time for a relationship to develop in the book. Maybe something could happen in the wedding to sort of tease everyone to think that something will happen, but when is there going to be time for that? Harry is so focused on the battle too, and I mean maybe the love could come from fighting and Ginny playing an integral role.
Jamie: Anyone else? There?
Female Audience Member: Pokemon reference – no, not really.
Female Audience Member: Lord of the Rings reference. You have Harry, Aragorn, Ginny – he goes off [unintelligible]. Something like that. Also, I think because of the whole [unintelligible] the people he’s saved the life of, like Arthur Weasley, Ginny Weasley, Ron and Hermione are going to be there for him when he needs them, even if he has to the last chamber on his own, kind of thing.
Jamie: Well, just another thought, do they now owe life debts to Harry?
Female Audience Member: Yeah, I don’t think it’s so much that. I just think it’s a joining of their soul. I don’t think it should be seen like, “You’ve got to save my life now.” But, I mean if he had a significant number of people around him, like – sorry, I’ve got the overzealous army. But if you think about the amount of people – if he needs to be strengthened in some way, he’s got all of these people who have this bond to his soul through him saving their life and Voldemort’s just got like a couple of people left over or something. I think he’s just going to be obviously, you know, weakened soul anyway that’s going to be broken up. But Harry has had these buttresses put over him by these people who he saved their lives to protect him.
Jamie: And do you think they are going to sort of psych him up for the final battle and he’ll think of all the people he’s got?
Female Audience Member: I think they’re going to become his shield.
Jamie: Yeah, they’re going to be touching shoulders. Yeah, nice. Anyone else? Are we done on theory discussion?
Female Audience Member: In the last one – I think both books have parallels with the fourth one versus the second one and [unintelligible]. The first one, it was Harry, Ron, and Hermione, just as the three. So, it kind of follows in the last one it would be just the three, but not enough to work to get to Voldemort.
Andrew: Overall, what’s you’re final thought? We’ll do final thoughts.
Jamie: I don’t know.
Jamie: I don’t want to think that he’s so, you know, selfless that he’s going to die an unhappy man because of that because the only people he’d think about are everyone else and not himself. But they obviously want to be together, and I don’t know if Jo is so mean that she is going to keep them apart when they definitely want to be together. And, you know, she has a creative license on this. If she brings them together, she can still sort it out so they beat Voldemort. So, I’d like them to get back together.
Andrew: I just think how it’s going to play out in Book 7 is that maybe we’ll get some sort of tease in the beginning, and then throughout the entire book there’s going to be little hints of maybe like, they met eyes and, I don’t know, something happens. But I think what might ultimately happen is that Ginny will help Harry in the final battle or Ginny will come close to death and Harry will save her or maybe vise versa. Something like that.
Jamie: Fair enough.
Contest: British Joke of the Day
Jamie: Now, we have one more game: a best British joke of the day.
Andrew: Which we hinted at at the beginning.
Jamie: Yeah, we did. [laughs] So, does anyone have any jokes?
Andrew: I don’t know if you guys noticed, but Jamie’s sort of been lacking on the show when it comes to British jokes.
Jamie: They aren’t even British, though.
Andrew: [laughs] They’re just jokes. And we’ve sort of retired the Dumbledore/Norris facts for now because we sort of ran dry of those.
Jamie: Yeah, we did.
Jamie: Nice t-shirt.
Andrew: Yes, very nice.
Female Joke-Teller #1: Thank you!
Jamie: There you go.
Female Joke-Teller #1: Thanks. How much does it cost to go buy a ticket for the Quidditch World Cup?
Male Audience Member: How much?
Female Joke-Teller #1: Yeah, money.
Female Audience Member: A Quid each.
Audience Joke-Teller #1: We use documents, see. It doesn’t count. Yeah, that’s right.
Jamie: Nice. Next one. Did you say you had one over there?
Female Joke-Teller #2: Does it have to be British?
Andrew: No. They’re never actually British.
Jamie: We call it that, but they never are. How do you define a British joke, anyway?
Andrew: They’re just in an English accent on the show. It came up in, you know, it’s a British guy.
Female Audience Member: It’s all kinds of things.
Female Joke-Teller #2: Someone talked to me and I was helpless so I’m passing it on. What E.T. short for? Because he’s only got little legs.
Female Audience Member: Oh, I get it!
[Everyone laughs harder]
Andrew: Say it one more time.
Jamie: Say it one more time.
Female Joke-Teller #2: One more time?
Female Joke-Teller #2: What’s E.T. short for?
Jamie: Oh, I get it.
Female Joke-Teller #2: Because he’s only got little legs.
Jamie: One more?
Jamie: Oh, enthusiastic.
Female Joke-Teller #4: Okay. What’s round and sticky? A stick.
Jamie: Thank you.
Female Joke-Teller #4: It’s lame.
Jamie: Let’s all vote. Oh, should we have one more?
Female Joke-Teller #4: Can I shout it?
Female Joke-Teller #4: Okay. Leann Rimes. No, it doesn’t.
Andrew: I like that one.
British Joke Vote
Jamie: If you vote for the first one, clap.
Andrew: Yeah, what was it?
Jamie: It was…
Female Audience Member: Quidditch.
Jamie: Oh yeah, the Quidditch World Cup one.
Jamie: I liked the Harry Potter reference in it. Okay, the second one which was…
Andrew: The girl with ET.
Jamie: And the third one, which was…
Male Audience Member: Stick.
Jamie: Yeah, the stick. [laughs]
Andrew: I like that, actually.
Jamie: And the Leann Rimes one. No, it doesn’t.
Jamie: ET. You prize is down here, if you want to come get them.
Question and Answer
Jamie: Okay, we’re just going to take some general questions now. Anything Harry Potter, show-related, and then we’re going to wrap the show up.
Andrew: News. If anyone wants to talk about some recent news. I mean, there’s really been a lot going on in the Harry Potter world.
Jamie: Yeah, so if you have any Harry Potter questions, any theory-related questions, any – what’s going to happen for the book release…
Jamie: Podcast-related. Anything. You, over there?
What Weapon Will Destroy Voldemort?
Male Audience Member: I’ve always been wondering – Someone made a Star Wars reference earlier on, saying that Harry’s going to get darker in his quest to defeat Voldemort. Well, he has all these weapons, like Avada Kedavra and all these weird, powerful, and Harry [unintelligible]. So in the quest to kill Voldemort, do you think Harry will use [unintelligible] or spells?
Jamie: Well, is that why he has to have some power other than magic? Because Dumbledore says in Half-Blood Prince that it will take uncommon skill to kill Voldemort even after he’s got rid of all the horcruxes.
Andrew: Harry does have uncommon skill.
Jamie: But he doesn’t, though. He’s a 16-year old, unqualified wizard. The uncommon skill is the love.
Andrew: Alright. Alright. He has uncommon talent.
Andrew: It seems like. But I don’t think dark magic – That’s not Harry.
Jamie: He can use it, though. He’s used Sectumsempra.
Jamie: Over there?
Male Audience Member: Sorry, I don’t think Sectumsempra really counts as dark magic in the same way as – because when he used it…
Jamie: He didn’t know what it was.
Male Audience Member: He didn’t know what it was, and it still worked. Whereas if he tried to use forbidden spells, it won’t work unless he…
Jamie: Which we see in the Ministry of Magic.
Female Audience Member: He couldn’t use Crucio. He hates Bellatrix, but he just couldn’t do it properly.
Jamie: Yeah, and doesn’t she say that it’s anger that he’s got, whereas you have to actually want to cause them pain to use it.
Female Audience Member: Yeah, and he’s more full of love than anger.
Female Audience Member: And he’s more of this love fighter-person.
Female Audience Member: He can’t really…
Andrew: I don’t want to say – Yeah. I don’t want to say he’s too nice. He just doesn’t have the heart to kill.
Jamie: I don’t know if – Obviously, this is a big subject. Can he kill Voldemort? Can he? Does he have it in him or is it just going to happen because he has to do it?
Andrew: Yeah. I think enough anger has built up inside of him where it could lead to where just Harry and Voldemort are in wherever it’s going to be, the final battle. And he would just have enough anger and frustration and all those years of – all the pain and hardship he’s gone through to be able to kill Voldemort.
Jamie: Just there?
Female Audience Member: Maybe that’s where Ginny comes in.
Female Audience Member: Voldemort kills Ginny, and that’s when he get the anger.
Andrew: Ooh! Ma’am, good point.
Jamie: I like that. But is it anger that’s going to bring him through?
Female Audience Member: Well, it’s likely that his love for Ginny…
Jamie: Turns into his anger. There?
Male Audience Member: It brings it back to when once Dumbledore was killed. Harry lost it completely, and chased after Snape as hard as he could.
Male Audience Member: And that could be foreshadowing.
Jamie: And also, you have to take it in that all the people close to him have died. First it was Sirius, obviously, and then Dumbledore. They’ve killed his godfather, his protector, his father-figure. And then they kill his girlfriend as well. He must be one angry person.
Andrew: Okay, you got a family relative, and you have your mentor, and then what would come next? I guess your love. Well, I know, but in the story. Of course, and his parents.
Jamie: In the back?
Female Audience Member: Didn’t Bellatrix say that being righteously angry wasn’t enough?
Female Audience Member: So, he’s only angry because he has the right to be angry, [unintelligible].
Jamie: So you mean that it has to come from outside? It has to be love that forces the anger on him, and then he can kill him.
Andrew: Bellatrix called him out in that battle in Order of the Phoenix, didn’t she?
Female Audience Member: About the love causing the anger, Dumbledore was saying that Harry didn’t actually have to follow the prophecy, but as long as Voldemort does, he has to. Even if Harry didn’t want to kill Voldemort, he would in the end because of the anger and because he loved the people.
Female Audience Member: It’s going to be the whole, love being the weapon that helps beat Avada Kedavra or whatever.
Jamie: And, also, going on from there, Dumbledore says that – Sorry, let me just get this point. I’ve forgotten it.
Jamie: Anyway, go on. Go on.
Female Audience Member: I don’t think Harry’s going to kill him with Avada Kedavra or with any of the forbidden curses. I think that…
Jamie: He can’t end it…
Female Audience Member: He says he’s going to kill him with love. It doesn’t mean he’s necessarily going to kill him. He’s going to destroy him with love. That doesn’t necessarily mean he’s going to have to get angry or use one of these killing curses. It could be something else about his love that is going to have to destroy Voldemort because it’s something he can’t help against, that he can’t bear to be near.
Jamie: But as you were saying, he can’t kill him with his wand, can he, with a curse?
Female Audience Member: Exactly.
Jamie: It’ll backfire against him. So, I mean, I think it has to be done with love.
Female Audience Member: I think it’s going to be something else that doesn’t have anything to do with the three killing curses.
Female Audience Member: He’ll have to be angry for it.
Jamie: Over there?
Female Audience Member: He has the power that the Dark Lord knows not. Underlined, underlined.
Female Audience Member: It’s not going to be dark magic or wand magic or anything so cliché as that because Voldemort knows all about that. It has to be like love and something from his heart.
Female Audience Member: And something Voldemort can’t do to be able to kill Voldemort.
Jamie: How can you kill someone with love, though? You can’t – It’s like, it has to project itself onto something else.
Andrew: That’s what Jo’s going to come up with, and it’s going to be beautiful. [laughs]
Female Audience Member: I have a Freaky Friday thing.
Andrew: Freaky Friday? What did you say?
Female Audience Member: Freaky Friday.
Andrew: The movie?
Female Audience Member: A reference.
Jamie: Well, we’re getting some comparisons here today.
Female Audience Member: Basically, they don’t know what it’s like to be each other. Harry doesn’t know what it’s like to be very, very powerful and dark, as Lord Voldemort doesn’t know what it’s like to love. So, what if they went to Japanese or Chinese restaurant somewhere…
Female Audience Member: Talked it over.
Jamie: Over dinner, over dinner. Candlelight.
Jamie: “So, why are you so mean?” “Why are you so nice?”
Andrew: Pure mediating. Nice one.
Jamie: Pretty awesome.
Female Audience Member: You said – you know when Voldemort can’t possess Harry, or that Harry can’t possess Voldemort, he’s so concrete with that love.
Jamie: Oh, and then he explodes.
Jamie: I wouldn’t want that to happen.
Male Audience Member: And yet, to sort of follow along from that, I’ve heard a lot of people talk about the fact that the first book, if it stood on its own, it had to encompass the story that Jo wanted to tell. So, thinking about that, if Harry, in that book, defeated Voldemort just by touching him with all the love and he’s used that, how can you kill someone with love? Well, in that case, that’s that.
Male Audience Member: And another point I wanted to make, actually, regarding the Sorting Hat, actually, there were a few key phrases that it uses in the first book and – Made some notes…
Jamie: That’s awesome.
Male Audience Member: He says, “There’s nothing in your heads that I can’t see.” Now that, taken in context, has to do with sorting the students into their Houses.
Male Audience Member: Taken out of context, it also could be an advantage for it to see through the thoughts. Maybe the Sorting Hat could be used to see some people guess back to Godric’s Hollow, you would see its memories from that. Also, it says – [laughs] Sorry, it says – “I can tell you where you should be.” I gave in context…
Jamie: It means the House, yeah.
Male Audience Member: But out of context, how much more can it help somebody. And then finally it says, “Slytherin will help you on your way to greatness” before it’s decided which House to put him in. And that seems it should be Slytherin would help you on the way to greatness if you were in Slytherin.
Male Audience Member: But it said “will.”
Jamie: And also…
Male Audience Member: And it’s quite definite – Sorry.
Jamie: That’s okay. I was going to say, just from that, if you take, “Slytherin will help you on your way to greatness,” obviously in context it means the House, but it could be a metaphor for somebody from Slytherin. Draco, maybe. Something like that.
Male Audience Member: Or even just the power that he’s got from Slytherin through Voldemort.
Jamie: Yeah. Strange.
Female Audience Member: Right at the end of HBP, basically, Snape is, you know, running away. So he could say, or maybe Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him, or something, but I’m not going to go into that. But basically, at the end of it, instead of just sort of knocking Harry out and running way, which I think it would be kind of like required, Snape tells Harry to keep his head clear and not to use Unforgivable Curses. Maybe there’s something in that he should have used Crucio, or Avada Kedavra. He could find something else maybe he could use.
Female Audience Member: I think maybe this has been discussed already, but is it at all possible that Harry just doesn’t kill him, but saves his life, and by that kills him in some way. Then it leaves Harry open because in the end, he has to be killed by Voldemort. Trying to kill him, actually, he can see himself, because he, himself, has had his own life saved by the love that he has inside him. And he can touch Harry.
Jamie: Yeah. But is it possible for Voldemort to turn back, or is he so far down the path of evil?
Female Audience Member: [unintelligible] He can’t be like, “Oh! Oh, Snape.”
Jamie: I like it.
Female Audience Member: Is Snape really clever, or really stupid? Because we got Snape, which left one of his prized possessions, his book, in his potions cupboard. And anyone in the future could find it and take it and use the spells.
Female Audience Member: So then you got Snape thinking, “Oh, I’m ready,” but that’s if Harry’s going to get it and he’s got the other teacher, and he won’t buy the book.
Female Audience Member: So he’s going to need that book. There’s no reason to teach him those spells to defeat Voldemort.
Jamie: That is a very interesting point. If it’s what people want – I mean, after this, we’re going to wrap up the show – but if you want to have a “Is Snape good or bad?” discussion, we’d be happy to do that as well.
Female Audience Member: Oh, yeah!
Female Audience Member: No.
Andrew: Some final – What was the original question? I don’t even remember. We just went off on different tangents.
Female Audience Member: And maybe Voldemort won’t die, but he’ll get his soul sucked up by a Dementor. Because I think it says that it is worse than death and Voldemort deserves something that’s worse than death and what’s worse to Voldemort than having his soul sucked out? He doesn’t have much of it left anyway.
Jamie: He doesn’t. That’s true.
Female Audience Member: So, I think he should have his soul sucked out by Dementors and they’re supposed to be working for him, but what if he can’t control them anymore and they just suck his soul out and that would be a way of getting the rest of the Horcruxes – is getting his soul out of objects and after Voldemort and that means Harry won’t have to resort any sort of love and he wouldn’t have to [unintelligible].
Female Audience Member: … And maybe he’ll just get his soul sucked straight out of his body and then he’ll just be a useless, snake-like…
Jamie: Thing. And also, as you say, Dumbledore has always said there are things worse than death, and Lupin, in Prisoner of Azkaban, when he’s talking to Harry about the Dementor’s Kiss, he actually says that they’re worse then death. It isn’t being killed. It’s a lot worse than that, so – Very interesting.
Female Audience Member: My friend has this theory about Inferius slash Dementor crossbreed thing.
Andrew: Inferi what?
Female Audience Member: Inferius and Dementor crossbreed.
Andrew: Is there anything to back that up? Or is it…
Jaime: I mean, I’m not saying anything about your theory, but when people say, “My friend has a theory,” is it really you that has a theory?
Andrew: And you just don’t want to admit it, yeah.
Jaime: There seems to be an awful lot of “friends” here coming up.
Andrew: Theoretically. Hypothetically.
Female Audience Member: Going with the Darth Vader idea, maybe Harry will lose all the wands. So, he’ll be like defenseless, so he’ll have to give himself up, and then Voldemort’s like, “I can’t do it, I’m your long-lost cousin.”
Jamie: And he’ll pick him up and throw him down the thing.
Jamie: Star Wars.
Andrew: Alright, we’ll take, what, a couple more?
Jamie: Two more questions. See?
Andrew: I got a question over here.
Female Audience Member: I know this is pretty random, but me and my friend were talking about the whole locket thing. And lockets are designed to keep pictures of people in. And the heart would symbolize someone you love in the locket. What if the actual locket had a picture of someone who has something to do with Voldemort in it? Someone he loves, or he loved? Maybe?
Jamie: What, and that’s like the big secret? That he has the capacity to love? That’s not bad.
Andrew: Well, one more question.
Jamie: Three more, because it’s…
Andrew: Alright, sure.
Female Audience Member: Do you think Percy will redeem himself?
Jamie: Such a tough issue.
Andrew: We’ll see him at the wedding and it’ll be awkward. And he’ll be awkwardly over in the corner.
Female Audience Member: Do you think they’re going to use him to get to Rufus Scrimgeour in the Ministry?
Jamie: Well, I don’t think he’s evil. I just…
Andrew: No, he’s not evil.
Female Audience Member: No, no. I’m thinking that maybe they might, you know, use Polyjuice potion to impersonate him. I find it…
Andrew: I don’t know.
Jamie: I don’t know, what do people think?
Andrew: They would get caught, though. I don’t know.
Jamie: Is Percy a misguided soul or – he’s a nasty piece of work.
Female Audience Member: He’s really stubborn.
Jamie: He’s very stubborn, yeah.
Female Audience Member: He doesn’t want…
Andrew: He just needs to pull the stick out of his you-know-what.
Jamie: In the back?
Female Audience Member: I’m thinking that J.K.R. can’t actually redeem everyone in the books…
Female Audience Member: Because it isn’t like it’s a fairy tale. Not everyone’s good. There are people in the world that are just nasty people. And indeed, they are just out for themselves. And maybe Percy’s just one of those people in the world that you don’t really like, but exist?
Female Audience Member: If Snape’s going to be redeemed, and they say that Draco’s going to be redeemed, then there’s not going to be enough time in that book to have a third person redeemed. When he’s not that important to the story.
Jamie: That’s true.
Female Audience Member: I think if it came down to it, if another member of his family was threatened by somebody else, Percy would step in and try and save them, like any of the Weasleys. Even if he is a bit of a…
Female Audience Member: Anyone close to me could hear me.
Jamie: One of those.
Female Audience Member: I was saying, I think that he would, even though he’s scared of being a bit – he’d step back in. He won’t necessarily – he won’t actually redeem himself. There’s no way he would.
Jamie: Do you have a question?
Snape’s Potions Book
Female Audience Member: Yeah, I was just going to bring it back to Snape again because I just remembered this theory that I have, which I really should have said earlier. When someone mentioned the thing about Snape leaving the book. How much does that sound like Voldemort leaving the diary?
Jamie: It does, yeah.
Female Audience Member: I mean, he’s like created this name for himself. And he’s like – he just – I don’t know about the thing, about why he wouldn’t kill Harry. I know he said it’s for Voldemort and everything, but he’s up to something. He’s working for Voldemort and Dumbledore. And even though there’s that whole debate about whether Dumbledore’s begging to be killed or not to be killed, I think Snape’s kind of working for himself. I mean you’ve got Grindelwald and then Dumbledore killed him. Voldemort, Harry’s killing him. And now Snape’s rising up out of the ashes, you know? He’s going to take over.
Jamie: And he’s extremely clever, Snape, as well.
Jamie: I’m sure no one can deny that he’s one of the cleverest characters.
Female Audience Member: He made up his own spells when he was about 16.
Andrew: That’s true.
Jamie: How do you make up a spell? Do you just say words until something happens?
Jamie: Hold it out two years.
Snape Versus Machiavelli
Jamie: You, there?
Female Audience Member: There is that whole Machiavellian thing on MuggleNet? It was kind of like, the whole – there’s the guy, the general, Severus, in Machiavellian book thing…
Jamie: The Prince?
Female Audience Member: So he eventually overthrows, like, the good person and the bad person and becomes a sort of a [unintelligible] person.
Jamie: I mean…
Female Audience Member: I mean, maybe that’s what Snape is after. He wants to be, like, top officer and manipulating…
Jamie: He is a kind of general, as well, though.
Jamie: He’s high up. Whichever side he is on, he is high up. He’s either almost Dumbledore’s right-hand man or he’s Voldemort’s right-hand man. Whatever it is.
Poll: Is Snape Good Or Bad?
Andrew: Should we just take a poll? To say is Snape good or bad?
Jamie: Okay, yeah. Yeah.
Andrew: Because, I mean, I don’t know, you know this could be good.
Jamie: Hands up, is Snape good?
Female Audience Member: Can we have an in-between?
Female Audience Member: Can we have an in-between?
Jamie: You can abstain – you can vote.
Andrew: Snape is good. Everyone for Snape is good.
Jamie: And bad?
Andrew: In between?
Jamie: Snape is good, overwhelmingly.
Andrew: Yeah. I don’t know.
Jamie: Should we wrap it up?
Andrew: Yeah, I think we will.
Jamie: Okay. No, no, we’re going to move downstairs. Thank you everyone for coming. You’ve been absolutely brilliant. Hope you’ve enjoyed it. We’re going to take a five-minute break. We’re going to move downstairs. And hopefully see you all and meet you all. And, then at the end we’re going to raffle off this thing. Should be quite nice.
Andrew: And give away some t-shirts.
Jamie: Yeah, we have just so many…
Andrew: We have a ton of t-shirts.
Jamie: And we’ll meet you down there. It is – I don’t know.
Jamie: But you’ll find us. In about five minutes?
Andrew: It’s down on the ground floor.
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