Transcript #257

MuggleCast 257 Transcript


Show Intro


[“Hedwig’s Theme” plays]

Andrew: Because Eric, Micah, and Selina decided to record an episode without me, this is MuggleCast Episode 257 for September 22nd, 2012.

[Show music begins]

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[Show music continues]

Eric: Welcome to MuggleCast 257. It has been an entire month since our last episode of MuggleCast, which was at LeakyCon 2012.

Selina: Yay! LeakyCon!

Eric: We all had a lot of fun there. We were all on-site. It was myself, Micah, Selina, and Andrew who is actually not with us this week.

Micah: Yeah, we’ve lost our fearless leader. You know what I think it is? He had too much fun at the premiere last night of The Perks of Being a Wallflower.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: I think that’s it.

Selina: He’s partying with Emma. Yeah, you’re right.

Micah: Yeah, he’s still recovering.

Eric: Yeah, I think it’s…

Micah: That guy just – he’s gotten too big for us.

Selina: [laughs] It’s his close encounter with Emma Watson. He doesn’t care about us anymore.

Micah: It’s true.

Eric: Well, at least he videoed it and put it on the website.

Selina: This is true. Did you guys see that sweet Hypable microphone?

Eric: No, I missed it.

Selina: Oh, that was the best part of the video. Forget Emma! [laughs]

Micah: Would you be responsible for that?

Selina: No. I think Andrew’s mum was, but still it was pretty cool.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Oh.


LeakyCon 2012 Recap


Eric: Well, that’s all right. So, LeakyCon was a lot of fun. I know we were all there. You guys have any overall thoughts about the con? The last episode was our podcast at the con so we weren’t really talking about the whole experience.

Micah: It was a shorter episode, I thought, compared to episodes that we’ve done over the last couple of months. And even for live shows, I thought it was relatively short.

Selina: Hmmm.

Micah: But we did get a chance to talk a little bit about the con, The Casual Vacancy, interacted with the listeners who were there, and the convention overall I thought was great. I think each year they get better and better. As far as LeakyCon goes, it was great in Orlando. I thought it was even better this year in Chicago and everything seemed to go really smooth. There was a lot of cool programming and it seemed like everybody had a really good time.

Selina: I thought it was absolutely epic. It was obviously my first con, and as you guys know I had no voice for the entire con.

Eric: Right.

Selina: I was ill, I had a fever – [laughs] it was ridiculous. But I had so much fun.

Micah: No, you weren’t ill. You were just screaming like crazy at all the different events that were going on.

Selina: No, I really was not. I really, really was ill. And I came home…

Eric: Selina was suffering from StarKid Fever.

Selina: Oh yeah, Darren Criss Fever. I just couldn’t contain myself. No, I came home and I was in bed for a week with a fever. It was terrible. [laughs]

Eric: Oh.

Selina: But it was worth it!

Eric: [laughs] You’d do it again.

Selina: I would. [laughs]

Eric: Well, actually you can do it again.

Selina: Oh my God!


Announcement: LeakyCon 2013, MISTI-Con 2013


Eric: There’s two opportunities next year. As it turns out, there’s going to be two LeakyCons next year that we just found out about – well, we found out about I guess at the con at the very, very end during the closing feast, and actually by the time you’re hearing this, listeners at home, registration will have probably sold out already for both LeakyCons. If not the one in Portland next year, definitely the one in London. Those are the two locations.

Micah: Yeah, I think the opportunity will still be there for Portland. It’s the London one, I believe, that’s had more of an overwhelming response than I think anybody anticipated. But it shouldn’t be too much of a surprise, right? It’s taking place in London which obviously plays a big role in the series, and those fans over there really haven’t had the opportunity to have a major conference, a fan-based conference, probably since the whole idea of conventions for Harry Potter started.

Selina: No, there really hasn’t been anything.

Eric: Occasionally you read about one, but it’s a lot smaller and we don’t publish about it as often. In fact, the convention that was going to happen in London this year, I believe it was called Alohomora?

Micah: Yes.

Eric: And that actually – they are now in conjunction with LeakyCon. So LeakyCon approached them and it’s all now one big, happy con. So, that will be pretty exciting.

Selina: Do you guys know that there is actually a yearly Harry Potter conference in Denmark?

Eric: No.

Micah: No.

Selina: It’s very exciting. They have craft stalls and everything.

Eric: What’s it called?

Selina: I don’t know. It’s in Odense, which is the city where HC Andersen was from.

Eric: [laughs] But you know it exists.

Selina: [laughs] Yes, I know it exists. I was there one year. It was fun.

Micah: Yeah, but I was saying, how would you know about that? Because you are from Sweden.

Selina: [laughs] I know.

Micah: Do you travel often to Denmark? [laughs]

Selina: It’s my neighboring land, yes.

[Eric laughs]

Selina: It’s all just the same thing, Micah.

Micah: Do you cross the narrow sea there?

Selina: Yes, I did. I did. The very narrow – it is actually a narrow sea. But are you guys planning on going to either of these cons? Do you know yet?

Eric: What do you think, Micah?

Micah: Tentatively, I’d say yes. I don’t know which one. It’ll probably be either one or the other. It would either be Portland or London, but I’m leaning more towards London right now.

Eric: [sighs] I’m sorry to hear that. Yeah, London is closer, I guess, to you. Just a hop over the pond.

[Selina laughs]

Eric: But I’d like to go to both, but I am thinking that I will go to Portland. I have been to Portland before. I can recommend it as a city. It is pretty cool. A very nice hipster vibe. [laughs] And lots of second-hand stores that are very cool. So, I think it is going to be a great environment. But actually, the Portland Leaky is going to be at a convention center as opposed to a hotel, so things will be done a little bit differently. But I like that Leaky is trying new things with trying to suit the best environment to their conventions.

Micah: Then maybe I’ll go to Portland also.

Eric: Yeah! I’m going to be all, “Yeah! Do it, Micah! Do it!”

Micah: But Selina, I wanted to ask you, you said this was the first time you were at a con. What was your favorite moment or the thing that you remember the most or was the coolest? Aside from hanging out with us, of course.

Eric: Yeah, rooming with us.

Selina: Oh yeah, rooming with you guys, obviously, was the top part of it. I honestly really enjoyed the actual MuggleCast, obviously. I thought that was amazing. And I also went to the StarKid show, which, I have to say, was incredible. The atmosphere there was absolutely incredible. But I think my favorite thing – and this is going to sound extremely cheesy so you have been warned – but was – at one of the random days, I was looking for something, I don’t know why. I walked into the main hall and all of the Potter people were just sitting on the stairs, just hanging out. They were singing and they were just going between each other and just in all their costumes and just like – it was amazing because it was the whole community of people just hanging out, and that’s like – when you said that next year it won’t happen at a hotel my first thought was, “Is that still going to be there?” But I think it will because this group of fans is just so incredible. That atmosphere, it was just amazing.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: You’re winning over listeners right now…

Selina: Oh, I hope so.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: …with all those statements.

Selina: Yes.

Micah: My big concern about it was with the conventions having taken place in Orlando for so long, and having the Wizarding World theme park there as a go-to, as kind of a fail safe. How was Chicago going to be able to really live up to that? And then, obviously, now next year going to Portland, going to London. London is going to have so much to offer in the sense that a lot of the actors are over there, you have the studio tour available. Places that people can go that were locations that were used for the film. So, I think London is going to be a great opportunity for people. But I think just – to some of the things that you were just saying, Selina, that’s what made Chicago so unique and I think why a lot of people enjoyed it.

Eric: Yeah. I think that Orlando was never the end-all, be-all. There were cons in Vegas, San Francisco, Houston, what was the one – Dallas, was it Portus?

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Dallas. They go all over even without a specific environmental tie-in, but the ones that do have that environmental tie-in like London next year with the studio tour I think are going to be extra special in a way.

Selina: I hope so.

Eric: But as you’re saying, all the people who attend will make it a good time. And we’re talking about cons next year. There are a few other opportunities besides the LeakyCons. You wanted to mention – Micah, you wrote something down on the doc?

Micah: Yeah. There’s also MISTI-Con 2013, which is going to be taking place May 9th through the 13th at the Margate Hotel in Laconia, New Hampshire. And for people who might be looking to go to a little bit smaller of a conference, maybe it’s closer to them on the East Coast, there’s only a couple of more days left to get an early bird price of $110 registration, and it gets you into things like the Opening Gala, the Closing Breakfast, MuggleNet presents HP Family Feud and HP Jeopardy hosted by Keith Hawk…

Selina: [laughs] That’s awesome.

Micah: …some live podcasting, wizard rock, literally everything. So, it’s a great opportunity to take advantage of. Maybe, like I said, you want to go to a smaller conference, you have a family. It’s only $110 to register right now, it’ll go up to $150 after September 15th. You can find all the information out on www.misti-con.org. And that’s from May 13th through the 16th – oh sorry. [laughs] And that’s from May 9th through the 13th, 2013.

Eric: What I like about MISTI-Con – and many people who attended Ascendio this year were talking about MISTI-Con, so that was when I first sort of heard about it. And I think it’s run by most of the same people who ran Aeternitas.

Micah: Yes.

Eric: Was it last year or earlier this year? And what I like about it is for Aeternitas they pretty much rented out an island or something, if I’m recalling correctly. Like it’s….

Selina: Are you serious? That’s so awesome.

Eric: It’s extremely exclusive…

Micah: [laughs] Is it Survivor: Harry Potter?

Eric: …in the New Hampshire area. It wasn’t a tropical island, but…

Micah: No, what they did was they transformed the hotel, and that’s really what’s happening at this convention, is that it’s a hotel owned by this couple that are essentially allowing the people who run this convention to transform the hotel into everything Harry Potter, all the surrounding area as well, which has a beach area and a lake. So, you’re really kind of being immersed into the whole experience.

Selina: Wow. That sounds incredible.

Eric: So, yeah. And there are other options as well for next year we’ll talk about, I guess, at a future date. None as pressing.

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Eric: Now, actually, because it’s been a whole month since our last MuggleCast, we find ourselves with a plethora of Harry Potter news.

Selina: Ooh, nice one. [laughs]

Eric: And we’re just going to – that will make up, I guess, the bulk of this longer episode. And no better way to get it done than to start getting it done, I guess. Micah, what’s in Harry Potter news?


News: Harry Potter: The Exhibition Returns to New York


Micah: It’s actually been so long that the Exhibition decided that it’s coming back to New York City.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: The touring exhibition that I’m sure a lot of listeners have been to, which is now touring internationally in Singapore, will actually be making its way back to the United States to New York City around the holiday season. They haven’t offered any specific dates yet, but it will return to Discovery Times Square. And I’m sure it’s going to be a major attraction around Christmas time. There’s no coincidence, I think, [laughs] in the fact that they’re bringing it back to its most successful area, which was New York. And the cool thing is that they will now have props and costumes from Deathly Hallows: Parts 1 and 2, which probably weren’t in there the first time around. Definitely from Part 2, it wasn’t included. And also, they said that they’re going to have certain holiday-themed items that are going to be included, so interested to see what they’re going to do with that.

Eric: Yeah, that will be exciting to see the holiday theme, because I think a lot of the Exhibition – because the majority of, I guess, the props and the art department is focused on things like Dementors and Death Eaters. And it’s very dark, really, the Exhibition. There’s a little light, especially at the end of the tunnel, when you get to the Great Hall and there’s all that food there. But a lot of it is sort of the Voldemort, Death Eaters kind of area, and maybe a holiday theme will be a little bit better becoming.

Micah: Upbeat.

Selina: I haven’t been to the Exhibition, but I have been to the Studio Tour. Would it offer me anything special?

Micah: Oh, look at you!

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Selina: I have been! I feel like I need to show off something. But would the Exhibition offer anything special that the Studio Tour doesn’t? Or is it – quote, unquote – just costumes and things?

Eric: Yeah, the Exhibition isn’t any of the sets. So, it’s costumes and props, and they’re arranged so that it tells a story. But it’s like a museum exhibit, really, and nothing more. There’s – you can get an audio tour of it that will tell you more about each prop, who constructed it, how it was made, and that sort of thing. But in terms of backdrops, a lot of it is kind of replica from the film and that sort of thing, and it guides you through – what I took away from the Studio Tour – and I saw it twice when it was in Chicago, and at least once when it was in New York. What I took away from it is just the skill and the craftsmanship that goes into the costumes and the props and that kind of thing. Now, I haven’t been to the Studio Tour yet, but I would guess honestly that…

Selina: You would love it, Eric. You would absolutely love it. I can promise you that.

Eric: I can guess that the Exhibition is for the people who can’t go to the Studio Tour, and that sounds terrible. The Exhibition was first, I feel a loyalty to it, in a way, because it opened in Chicago, and there was a big press event for it and everything. But ultimately, I think it really just depends on what you’re looking for. But there are excellent props and excellent costumes in the Exhibition. But I guess I can see – they originally said they weren’t coming back. The New York stop was supposed to be – or was it the Toronto stop? It was the last North American date. They said when they came up with the Exhibition, it was going to do ten stops, an initial five-year run of ten stops. And people were complaining because it went from Chicago, to New York, to LA, to Toronto, and it wasn’t going anywhere overseas. Australians were like, “Well, where’s our Exhibition?” And Singapore was like, “Where’s our Exhibition?” So, they did it there next, but they had said, finally, when they left North America, they weren’t going to do any more. And sure enough, hang on, now they’re going back to New York City. Oh, get this, it’s for Christmas!

[Micah laughs]

Eric: So, I don’t know exactly what’s going on here. I guess – if I had a guess, I would say maybe the Exhibition is hurting from…

Micah: Well, did the Exhibition actually go to LA? Because I don’t think that it did. Didn’t it go to Seattle?

Eric: Oh, it went to Seattle! That was my mistake.

Micah: It was in Boston too. I think that’s where it started.

Eric: Boston…

Micah: It went to Chicago to – whatever it was, it made plenty of stops in the United States, that’s the point we’re trying to make.

Eric: Yeah.

[Selina laughs]

Micah: And now they’re coming back here. And it’s interesting, because how do fans respond to that? It’s not like you can just bring this huge, massive exhibition from Singapore to the United States and drop it there for a couple of weeks. [laughs] I mean, it’s probably going to stay here for a little bit of time before it moves on, if it moves on. Is Singapore the end of the international run for right now? Is it going to go back to touring domestically here in the United States?

Eric: It seems like whatever their initial plan is, it changed, obviously, because they’re coming back. And maybe that has something to do with the Studio Tour [laughs] because the Exhibition isn’t going to London next.

Micah: Right.

Eric: So, very interesting. And I’m sure we could poke around a little bit and get a little bit more out of the people who travel, but I’m sure what they would tell you is that they’re very excited to be bringing it to New York again. And honestly – the Discovery Time Square Museum, I guess it is? Right in that area. I really had fun there. I thought that that was actually a pretty good venue for the Exhibition when I was there. Plus, the flying car hanging out of the side of the building when you’re just walking around New York is pretty cool to see.

Selina: [laughs] That’s cool.

Micah: That’s cool. It’s not unusual in New York, that’s the only thing. I mean, there’s so much going on. It’s just like, “Oh, there’s a flying car.”

Selina: Flying cars everywhere.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Eric: Micah sees this kind of thing every day.


News: Deathly Hallows Ultimate Editions


Micah: Every day, every day. But moving on, another bit of news that we got was in relation to the Deathly Hallows DVD. Both films are going to be released as a double feature Blu-ray on October 16th. Coincidentally, the same day JK Rowling is going to be in New York City.

Selina: Huh.

Micah: And actually, the Ultimate Editions for both Deathly Hallows: Part 1 and Part 2 finally got a release date. Guess what date?

Eric: October 16th.

Micah: October 16th, yeah. How did you know?

Eric: Oh wow! I should do this for a living.

Micah: You should. And so I think the big thing here, though, is that we finally got confirmation that there are going to be Ultimate Editions for the two parts of Deathly Hallows, because it had been speculated about for so long with the Wizard’s Collection coming out. Were there going to be Ultimate Editions released for the final two films? And we’ll talk about the Wizard’s Collection in a little bit. But now if you’re a collector of the Ultimate Editions, you can complete that set and not have to go out and purchase the five-hundred-dollar Wizard’s Collection.

Eric: Well, I’m relieved because it seemed for a while that they had given up on these Ultimate Editions. It took them a while to announce maybe the fifth and the sixth or something. There was a while there, and I was just thinking, well, what if they don’t finish it? What if they don’t complete it instead of – in lieu of doing a better, bigger set? Because the Ultimate Editions, really the reason to get those is this documentary, this eight-part documentary, which from the beginning they said, “Okay, it will be in eight parts,” for however many movies there were going to be. But we hadn’t until very much later – Warner Bros. released the last film on DVD last November, so it was an entire year before fans would actually have the Ultimate Editions of those movies.

Micah: Right. Now, do you own the Ultimate Editions, Eric?

Eric: I do not, but what I do own is the other DVD set you mentioned, the double feature on Blu-ray. I actually have ñ and this is ñ I was very happy to see this news, because last November – it was during the Warner Bros. Home Entertainment Celebration. I took a trip to Walmart, I was just getting supplies because we were staying at Universal. And I went to the nearby Walmart and found these double feature Blu-ray discs for the first six Harry Potter films. And I was blown away because it’s just a great value, because I hadn’t yet owned the Harry Potter films on Blu-ray and here you could get the first and second, third and fourth, and fifth and sixth on Blu-ray. And Walmart was selling them for thirteen dollars.

Micah: That’s a good deal.

Eric: Ooh, ahhh. Yes!

Selina: Ooh! [laughs]

Eric: Chinese Firebolt!

[Micah laughs]

Selina: Shopping!

Eric: Yes, thirteen dollars, so I stocked up on my Harry Potter Blu-rays. But of course, Deathly Hallows: Part 2 had just come out on regular Blu-ray. They’re not going to release it as a double feature that close to the thing. So, now that the double feature is coming out, it’s just a great opportunity because I already own the DVDS, and so I needed a quick pick-me-up to get the Blu-rays, to get the next quality up. And now it looks like fans who for some reason don’t own the Deathly Hallows already on Blu-ray can get this double feature, and it seems like…

Selina: I don’t. I don’t own any of them on Blu-ray. I don’t own any Blu-rays. Should I? [laughs] Is it cool?

Eric: Do you have an HDTV?

Selina: No.

Eric: Yeah, then don’t worry about it.

Selina: Okay.

Eric: You’re actually physically not going to be able to see a difference.

Selina: No? Okay, then.

Eric: But if you have a Playstation – that’s how Andrew got by for the first few years, I know, and that’s how I’m getting by now. With the Playstation 3, it is a Blu-ray player as well, so you do not need to invest in a separate player or anything to get the high-def experience. It looks good. I mean, I couldn’t say if it looks that much better than DVD because all new films these days are produced pretty well anyway.

Selina: Yeah, exactly.

Eric: But we’re meant to believe, as consumers, that it is that much better.

Micah: Well, if you don’t like Blu-rays you can always turn to books, right?

Selina: Exactly.

[Eric groans]

Micah: Because they’re what got us into this whole thing in the first place.

Selina: [laughs] If I have a few extra money. [laughs]

Eric: Books are slightly more expensive, aren’t they, Micah?

[Selina laughs]


News: Harry Potter: Page to Screen Limited Edition


Micah: Well, they are when you package them all together. And we’ll talk about this in relation to the Wizard’s Collection a little bit later on, but Harry Potter: Page to Screen – which I thought already existed in book format – but now they’re taking it and they’re putting it into this comprehensive limited edition version.

Eric: Mmm.

Micah: And it features never-before-published art and text chronicling the making of the Harry Potter films. Five brand new volumes that show how the team designed locations, graphics, costumes, creatures, and special effects. It’s got a deluxe book of the paintings of Hogwarts, along with a keepsake book chronicling the lasting relationships between cast and crew. There’s a replica of the Monster Book of Monsters, there’s five frame able concept art prints. And, of course, the original Page to Screen book itself.

Selina: It seems like a portable version of the Studio Tour, to be honest with you.

[Eric laughs]

Selina: Because that’s what it sounds like.

Micah: Yeah, and here’s the thing: the Wizard’s Collection is 19 pounds. Literally.

Selina: Right.

Micah: It’s heavy.

Eric: Like, cost? Only 19 – like 38 dollars?

Micah: No, no, no. It’s 20 pounds to lift up off the ground.

Selina: Whoa.

Eric: Right.

Selina: So, it’s not quite that portable. [laughs]

Micah: No. I’m thinking to myself, with all of these books in this Page to Screen collection, how much is that thing going to weigh?

Selina: Yeah.

Micah: Because Page to Screen itself weighs seven to eight pounds without question.

Eric: Yeah, let’s be honest, Page to Screen is on my lowest bookshelf because I fear for the structural integrity of my bookshelf if I store it any higher. It is that heavy, you’re right.

Micah: But let’s get to the big point here. The retail price right now is 800 dollars. What’s going on here?

Selina: Which is ridiculous!

Micah: What are they trying to do?

Selina: I don’t know, are they really short on money…

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Selina: …and they’re like, “Oh well, these crazy Harry Potter fans will give us our Christmas bonuses”? What is going on?

Eric: I think Uncle Warner has some gambling debts.

Selina: I think you might be right!

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Eric: But 800 dollars. Well, have we seen any news on how the Wizard’s Collection is selling? It’s been a week since it was released – or is it just five days now? Do we know how that collection is doing? That retails at, was it, 350 after the Amazon discounts?

Micah: Yeah.

Selina: I have no idea.

Micah: Yeah, it’s about 350, I think.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: I don’t know how sales are doing, but it went on sale here in the US on September 7th, so last Friday, and then in the UK actually on the 10th, so it hasn’t been out that long. We’ll see. I wish I had numbers, but I can’t imagine – now, remember each of them come with a certificate of authenticity, and I think there’s only a little over 60,000 that have been made, so…

Eric: Okay.

Selina: See, I don’t know about you guys, but I look at stuff like this – and maybe it’s just because I travel around so much, so I’m immediately thinking how much [laughs] is it going to take up space in my suitcase, but this kind of stuff doesn’t hold that much interest to me. I really like the films, I want to own the films. I love the books, I want to own the books. But this kind of stuff, I don’t know. I wouldn’t – if someone gave it to me I’d be like, “Oh great, thanks,” and I’d skim through it, but I don’t know. This kind of – I don’t – it’s not like it comes directly from Jo, you know what I mean?

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: To pay 800 dollars for it just seems outrageous.

Eric: It’s going to be a massive testament to what we already really know, is that these books change lives.

Selina: Right.

Eric: It’s going to be a big chronicle, more so than the first Page to Screen. And honestly, Film Wizardry, which was the first book and then Page to Screen produced by HarperCollins…

Selina: But this is about the films! This isn’t about the books.

Eric: This is about the movies too. It’s not going to be about the books. You’re right there, Selina. But there’s just so much information, so much stuff that came from making the films, and honestly…

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: …I think somebody’s eyes turned a little green here. They realized they could sell it.

[Selina laughs]

Eric: Perhaps what they should have done is they should have continued to release books like Page to Screen and found a way to make each book about something different, perhaps? Because this is, they said, five extra books including Page to Screen. Or, you know what? Maybe foreseeable that they’ll release a kindle version of this book which, honestly, would weigh a lot less.

Selina: Hmmm, I’d probably get that.

Eric: Yeah!

Selina: Because it is so interesting to learn. The studio tour as well, just going and seeing how much effort went into it is incredible.

Eric: I don’t know how many thousands of pages the Harry Potter books – the regular “by JK Rowling” Harry Potter books take up, but it’s almost like, at this point, looking at this $800 price tag for this new limited edition of Page to Screen collection, I have to start really thinking to myself, okay, you could sit down and you could read all of these books and go through the pages, or honestly, you could start living your own life.

[Selina laughs]

Eric: Get on with your kind of own thing. Make your own Harry Potter movies…

Selina: Kind of music.

Eric: …that make – that change so many people. Compose your own excellent music, and keep in touch with your own…

Selina: But maybe people need inspiration like this. Maybe this inspires people.

Eric: Perhaps it does, and perhaps it makes them take out a second mortgage.

Micah: Well, one thing you can do is clearly get a workout from utilizing…

[Micah and Selina laugh]

Micah: …either the Wizards Collection

Selina: Just reading it.

Micah: …or this new – yeah – or this new Page to Screen collection. Well, reading it or lifting it up and down…

Selina: [laughs] Exactly!

Micah: …depending on what you want to do.

Eric: Perhaps we should have a new – Micah, you’ve inspired me. We should hold a contest at MuggleNet for…

Selina: You could lift it! [laughs]

Eric: …ways to use the Harry Potter Wizard’s Collection, or the book that you wouldn’t think of. Unusual ways, like a giant paperweight, or perhaps to crush down coal into diamonds.

Selina: Or you could just hold a contest to see who can lift it up the longest.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: There you go.

Eric: Yeah, that works too. [laughs]

Micah: But my big question with this, before we move on, is why would you want to read what you can probably see in a lot of these special features discs, behind the scenes discs? Isn’t it the same? What is it that’s so much different about what they’re putting in Page to Screen that you’re not going to see on some of these Blu-ray and DVD collections?

Eric: A lot of these typically…

Selina: I guess it’s just for people who want to read it rather than watch it.

Eric: To read it, and also one of the things I think they shy away from on the special features is showing any kind of – if a letter was written to somebody, they’ll show it for a few seconds or whatever, but mostly it’s live action stuff. And there’s a lot of props and photos that are still life that aren’t video that I think get shuttled over to these types of publications. But it’s obviously – there’s only going to be 3,000 made, I think, of the Page to Screen limited edition. We’ll have to just gauge fan interest, or if anybody ends up purchasing this – when is it due out? I’m trying to look it up real quick.

Micah: I don’t know that it has a scheduled release date right now.

Eric: Release date yet? Let’s see here.

Micah: It’s one of those things that’s online. Maybe it’ll disappear. Never hear from them again.

Selina: December 4th, 2012.

Micah: Or maybe it’ll come out on December 4th, 2012.

Selina: Maybe it will.

[Micah laughs]

Selina: Just in time for Christmas.

Eric: So, December 4th. So, if anybody gets this for Christmas – and, by the way, Santa must love you.

[Selina laughs]

Eric: But if you get…

Micah: Santa is going to have a hernia.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Eric: If you get it, and it doesn’t kill you lifting it up to your room, if you have a chance to review it, [laughs] or a chance later in the hospital when you’re getting your back replaced, please let us know how you think of it. And I actually will be following the story, and I’ll be really interested in learning what those other books are all really about.

MuggleCast 257 Transcript (continued)


News: Pottermore Updates


Micah: All right. Well, we did have a little bit of Pottermore news, during the month that we’ve been off here.

Selina: Yay!

Micah: The Hogwarts Library collection, Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, and Quidditch Through the Ages are now available at the Pottermore shop. I feel like all we’re doing here is promoting different collections and…

Selina: I know! This is insane!

Micah: …online books and…

Eric: Yeah! Let’s get over that, then. We’ll move on.

Micah: But the other big piece of news coming out of Pottermore is that the second House Cup is set to be awarded in November, and there’s going to be a new prize. It’s not going to be the same as what Slytherin House was awarded when they got early access to the first couple of chapters of Chamber of Secrets. So, interesting to see how Pottermore is going to start to change things up now, and how long the window is going to be between House Cups moving forward.

Eric: Well, how long – when was the last House Cup recently? We’re talking maybe two MuggleCast episodes ago, right?

Micah: Yeah, so really, what, maybe a couple of months?

Eric: A couple of months between House Cups. That’s good! This is, I think, one of the first – I don’t want to say one of the first right decisions Pottermore made, but I like that it’s not annually the way that it would be in real Hogwarts, because people would forget. The House Cup is something that would – what Andrew was looking for when he first reviewed Pottermore with us. Something that will keep fans coming back to the site.

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: What do you think, Eric? Should we round up the Hufflepuffs and fight for this one? [laughs]

Eric: Heck yes, we should.

Selina: Hell yeah! Yeah right.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Eric: So, that’s for sure.

Micah: Mhm.

Selina: Okay.


News: Hunger Games Passes Potter


Micah: Another big piece of news, as it relates to the series as a whole, is that The Hunger Games passed Potter as the best-selling series on Amazon. And I guess one sort of caveat to that is that the record includes both physical and e-book versions, and I have a feeling a lot more people with The Hunger Games bought e-book versions than with Harry Potter.

Selina: Yeah.

Micah: So, I feel like being a little bit cheaper, that probably helped it out a little bit in terms of sales.

Selina: Yeah.

Micah: Because I assume that we’re not talking about dollars here. We’re talking about how many were actually sold, right?

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: Yeah, we talked about this, actually, on Hunger Games Chat from the other perspective, [laughs] which is kind of strange for me right now.

Eric: Oh no! You traitor!

Selina: But I did say, “No!” when I heard, so don’t worry. But yeah, this is basically based on only Amazon sales and it doesn’t mean that The Hunger Games has sold more books than Harry Potter, so don’t worry. It’s only Fifty Shades of Grey. [laughs] I think.

Eric: Oh gosh. Yeah, this is an Amazon-specific result, but it’s still a big deal because Andrew likes to stir crap up all the time.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Selina: He’s not here to defend himself.

Eric: But it is a big deal. I think The Hunger Games, being a newer series, obviously the Internet opportunities are greater for everybody who’s buying them and reading them for the first time, and Kindles and everything like that. So, it makes sense that Harry Potter was going to be usurped because it spent a few years off of the e-book market, as well as being off Amazon.

Micah: Yeah. Well, Harry Potter hasn’t even had an opportunity to be on the e-book market really for very long at all, so that certainly plays a part in it. But I wonder how much the movie has contributed. And, look, I started reading the Potter books because of seeing the films, but I read The Hunger Games series – or trilogy – before any of the movies were made. I’m wondering how much of the hype surrounding the film has contributed to the sale of these books.

Eric: Oh, I would think a great deal.

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: Are you saying it’s backwards before, where people were reading the books long before they saw the movie?

Micah: Yeah, I think so. I think with Potter – I mean, certainly they gained a large audience with the films, but I think it was more of a cultural phenomenon, just the books themselves, before the movies were starting to be made. And I feel like more people, as a result of that, owned physical copies of the book. But…

Selina: Yeah, you’re right.

Micah: …I guess e-book wasn’t out back then really either, so it’s a little bit hard to judge.

Eric: There were other, I want to say, competitors besides Amazon selling the Harry Potter books, as opposed to now when Borders is gone.

Selina: Exactly.

Eric: And other local bookstores seem less attractive than ever when you’re talking about getting it on your Kindle and stuff.

Micah: Mhm.

Selina: Yeah, exactly. And it’s only going to keep going because there’s three more Hunger Games films to go, so…

Eric: For a second I thought you were saying more books to go [laughs] and I was like…

Selina: [laughs] Oh my God, no.

Eric: …”They’re making more books?” They’re not, are they?

Selina: No, they’re not.

Eric: Okay.

Micah: Yet.

Selina: Yeah, until the “Ultimate Tribute Edition”, retailing for 2,000 pounds.

[Micah and Selina laugh]

Eric: Yeah. Right.

Selina: In 2020.

Eric: Well, don’t put it past them. People will buy it. They will build it.

Selina: People will.


News: Wizarding World Orlando Expansion Updates


Micah: And it seems like there’s a bit of construction going on down at the Wizarding World in Orlando. Andrew is on top of this stuff. I think he actually flies down there in his private jet on occasion, and just kind of slips through, takes some photos…

[Selina laughs]

Eric: He’s got his own hard hat now, actually. Hung on the wall.

Micah: Does he?

Eric: Lovingly. Yeah, his name is engraved on it.

Micah: Nice.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: So basically, things are starting to come together down there in Orlando and I’m sure as time passes we’ll see more and more. It’s going to get harder and harder to hide some of the structures that are being put together, especially with tourists down there. They like to snap photos and send them in. So, there’ll be plenty more as time goes on.


News: Harry Potter Cast Updates


Eric: There’s been a – there’s a little bit of a casting update that we have for you in the past month. I’m going to skim through this just for time-saving reasons, but I guess the most pressing one is that Emma Watson is starring in the very upcoming Perks of Being a Wallflower film. And this will be released as, I suppose, a limited release on September 21st in the United States. I would encourage everyone to check the Internet or their local theater’s show times to see if it is in fact opening near you, on the 21st…

Selina: Yeah…

Eric: …or if not later.

Selina: …it – the book is amazing, by the way. It’s incredible. But the film…

Eric: The book is fantastic.

Selina: There’s so many countries that it hasn’t even got a release date for, including Australia and Denmark. [laughs] Or the entirety of Scandinavia, I should say.

Micah: What about Sweden?

Selina: Sweden doesn’t have one either. Go figure.

[Micah laughs]

Selina: The closest is Germany. It’s really being treated like a small art house film, and it’s very confusing because Emma Watson – you would think that her and Logan Lerman and Nina Dobrev and whoever else is in this film would be able to carry it and make it for a big release, but it doesn’t look like that’s happening at all, and I’m worried if I’m even going to get to see it in cinemas.

Eric: I’m trying to remember how many other films were like this with the Potter actors, because there are quite a few that are smaller…

Selina: Some Rupert Grint films, yeah. They didn’t…

Eric: Well, the Rupert Grint film – was it Cherrybomb or…

Selina: Mhm.

Eric: Was one of them…

Selina: Cherrybomb, yeah.

Eric: I remember seeing it at Azkatraz, the Harry Potter conference in San Francisco by HPEF, but in order to do that we had to – somebody rented a copy of the reel, the projection reel, and we had to go to a small art house cinema to see it. And it was one screening, one day only, very difficult to see. And then Emma Watson’s last film that I saw her in, Ballet Shoes – actually, I also saw her in My Week with Marilyn but that was an independent theater. Very difficult to see…

Selina: That was in cinemas though.

Eric: …worldwide. It ended up getting sort of a wider release, yeah, but some of these movies – you have to kind of look really hard to see these Potter actors in some of these films that they’re in. But…

Selina: This is just based on such a popular book.

Eric: …I think that has to do with them being British – they’re British films too, though. A lot of them.

Selina: Right, but this one isn’t though. That’s the thing. This is a big – it’s a really popular book by Stephen Chbosky. It’s the guy from Percy Jackson [laughs] and the girl from Harry Potter. You would think that – I don’t know.

Eric: That’s funny because now that you say that, the guy from Percy JacksonPercy Jackson, of course, being directed by Chris Columbus who directed the…

Selina: Right. [laughs]

Eric: …first two Harry Potter films.

Selina: [laughs] It’s all connected.

Eric: So, I’m sure Emma and him had a lot to talk about, to talk about Chris. If she still remembers him. But anyway, our fearless leader, Andrew, interviewed Emma Watson on the red carpet.

Selina: He did. It was so cool!

Eric: We should include a link to that in the show notes, as well as some of this other casting info I’ll go through really quick. These – this casting info is definitely brought to you by Hypable who reported on each of these individual news items when I grabbed them this morning. Emma Watson is going to join in a remake of Beauty and the Beast. This is going to be live action, isn’t it?

Selina: Is it?

Eric: Does anybody know? I think it’s live action because I think Guillermo del Toro is directing it. I could be wrong, but I think that’s what this article is even about, is her one stipulation to being a part of it was that Guillermo del Toro direct? Yup. Absolutely.

Selina: Yeah, he is directing.

Eric: So, it’s going to be a live action version of the famous Disney classic.

Selina: Just another proof that fairy tales are in right now.

Eric: Fairy tales are definitely in. Dan Radcliffe, who we last saw in The Woman in Black, which – what did you guys think of that movie, by the way?

Selina: It was terrifying. Oh my God.

Micah: I’m still waiting on my review copy. [laughs]

Eric: You’re still waiting? Oh really?

Micah: I was supposed to get a review copy…

Selina: Oh really?

Micah: …from the company over in the U.K. and they never sent it.

Eric: They never sent it? Are you – maybe it just got lost in…

Micah: I still want to watch the movie, though. I haven’t seen it.

Selina: It is – I genuinely found it terrifying.

Micah: See, the thing I like about that though is that’s a real horror film. To me, anyway.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Not the slasher, cut them up, gore – Michael Myers, Jason around the corner.

Eric: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Micah: I mean, those are scary but I think they’ve kind of gotten played out. Something like The Woman in Black, to me, where there’s creepy children or there’s just an environment that creates such an eerie…

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: …situation for whoever you’re watching. I think those are really scary movies and I’ll probably leave the lights on when I watch it, or something like that.

[Micah and Selina laugh]

Eric: Yeah. No, definitely. The Woman in Black is a very freaky movie – it’s a ghost story as well. I tend to like those. So you’re right, more than slasher films. But alongside Dan Radcliffe is Ciar·n Hinds – [laughs] we have actually casting news about him. Really quickly though, Dan Radcliffe is starring in an upcoming comedy called The F Word. “F” as in friendship, I believe is the F word they’re talking about there. And there’s some photos of him – I won’t spoil any more. There’s some photos of him that surfaced recently. And then Ciar·n Hinds, his Woman in Black co-star…

Selina: Our good friend Aberforth.

Eric: And good friend Aberforth. What’s the news, Selina? Let’s say this here.

Selina: The news that I brought to you on Hypable.com is that Ciar·n Hinds is joining a little show that [laughs] we all know…

Micah: That we know about, yeah. [laughs]

Selina: …called Game of Thrones, yeah. I feel like the three of us – we have discussed this news before. It’s kind of like a flashback right now. It’s weird. [laughs] But he is going to be owning [clears throat] Game of Thrones and he is going to be playing Mance Rayder, the leader of the Wildlings. I made the joke that he is going to herd the Wildlings but nobody got it, so… [laughs]

Eric: Oh Selina, you’re so funny.

Selina: Oh, thank you Eric!

Micah: So, he joins Nat Tena and David Bradley who are the only two I know of, as of right now, who are still…

Selina: And Hermione’s mom, Catelyn.

Micah: Oh, that’s right. Yeah.

Eric: Oh gosh! Yeah, she’s pretty big. How could you mess that up, Micah?

Selina: Yeah, Micah. [laughs]

Eric: I didn’t realize that either. Also – okay, so Evanna Lynch – there was a trailer released for her upcoming role in a small film called Apex.

Selina: Yeah, we actually…

Micah: Is that like K-PAX?

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Eric: A-PEX? What is it?

Micah: Is that like K-PAX?

Eric: K-PAX with Kevin Spacey?

Selina: We actually saw this at LeakyCon, the trailer. It aired right before the StarKid show because it also has a girl who is in the StarKid show in it. What’s her name? Devin Lytle, I believe is how you say her name.

Eric: Do you know anything about it? Like what it’s about.

Selina: Yeah. I mean, the trailer was really triply.

[Eric laughs]

Selina: It basically made it seem like it was this group of young kids on drugs, but then it turned out at the very end that it’s like a supernatural thriller. I think it’s about some kind of virus that – [laughs] hold on one second, I should know this – yeah, it’s a virus that spreads across the United States, so it’s kind of like a survival story of these young – group of young people and it’s very…

Micah: It’s like the Kardashians, isn’t it?

Selina: …different – [laughs] yes. No, it’s very raw and it has very, I guess, shocking moments. Like, for Luna Lovegood fans, you will be shocked by this trailer, I think. She does some very not-Luna things. But that’s good because Evanna isn’t Luna, so she should be exploring these different things. It looks really cool.

Eric: From Google, the definition of Apex is: “A high point or a climax; also a summit, peak, pinnacle, vertex, head, or tip.” I know, I’m very exciting right now. [laughs] And our last piece of actor news is Matthew Lewis, whose trailer for his upcoming film called Wasteland premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival, and that you can also view on Hypable.

Micah: Very cool.

Eric: And that concludes our news. God, an hour later. [laughs]


News: J.K. Rowling Schedules NYC Event For The Casual Vacancy


Micah: Well, also in another piece of news – we’re just going to kind of go a little bit more in-depth with it, I guess, is The Casual Vacancy promotional tour that J.K. Rowling will be going on after the book is released later on this month, about two weeks from now – a little over two weeks from now. So…

Eric: The Casual what, Micah?

Micah: Vacancy?

Eric: Casual what?

[Selina laughs]

Eric: No, no, you said it right. You said it right, but I’m saying let’s give an overview. There is a new book by J.K. Rowling coming out.

Micah: Oh.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Yes, there is – of course.

Eric: You said so, though, but I feel like we haven’t covered it that much on the show. These shows are a month apart, so just to remind people…

Selina: We’ve talked a lot about The Casual Vacancy.

[Micah and Selina laugh]

Eric: Okay, maybe I’m overstepping it there.

Micah: But it’s going to be released on the 27th of September, and as many people know – it’s been pretty big news, I think, over the last couple of days – J.K. Rowling will be making one of her stops in New York City at Lincoln Centre and that will be on October 16th, as we joked about before, also the same day that a number of DVDs and Blu-rays…

[Eric laughs]

Micah: …also hit store shelves, so…

Eric: Synergy! Yeah!

Micah: Yeah, absolutely. And the big news was that there was a bit of an issue as it related to the tickets being sold for this event. They were scheduled to go on sale earlier this week – Monday morning, September 10th at 10 AM – but in fact, they showed up, or somebody found the link that was created, right around 10 PM on Sunday evening, and so most Potter fans who were looking forward to going to this event said to themselves, “Well, I’m not going to wait until Monday morning to purchase tickets. There’s probably not going to be many left.” So, they all hopped online and bought tickets early. The problem that seems to have arisen though is that Lincoln Center didn’t know about this at all.

[Selina laughs]

Micah: They weren’t scheduling this link to go live until 10 AM the next day, and so an issue of double booking occurred when people went to purchase the following morning. Now, this doesn’t even include the poor people who were [laughs] waiting on line for many days at the box office at Lincoln Center, and suddenly they find out that the tickets were on sale Sunday night and they’re waiting to buy tickets Monday morning.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: So, I think a lot of them probably scrambled…

Selina: This is insane. [laughs]

Eric: Now, we heard from one of them on MuggleNet.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: We put in some of the – I guess a recap of what it was like waiting in line for three days and finding out that your tickets were actually available online. Now, the way you said it, though, it seems like people hacked the link to get to it. Like, to find…

Micah: Well, clearly somebody somewhere found the link, because Lincoln Centre did not do really any job of promoting this event on their website. It was not easy to find at all.

Eric: To be honest, I’m still a little unclear on the details, which we can talk about in another couple of minutes.

Micah: Yeah. But my guess is that somebody saw the ticket URL for another event and was able to manipulate it so that they were able to get the link for the J.K. Rowling event.

Eric: So really, the problem is that they shared. [laughs]

Micah: Well…

Selina: They just weren’t expecting…

Eric: They were nice enough to share the link.

Selina: They just weren’t expecting this kind of importance, you know? They just hadn’t taken the precautions.

Micah: Right.

Eric: Is Lincoln Center a small venue, would you say? Are they…

Micah: Lincoln Center is where the last two premieres have been for…

Eric: Oh!

Micah:Deathly Hallows here in the United States, so it’s not a small venue by any means. There are a number of different halls that can be used for different events, and I believe the main hall is Alice Tully Hall, which houses over 2,000 people, and that’s not the hall that the event has been moved to which is what Lincoln Center in the end decided to do. I think they would have had a rather large problem on their hands…

Eric: Very large.

Micah: …had they decided not to honor the tickets that were purchased on Sunday night. And look, I’ve seen all kinds of comments and e-mails and tweets and posts about this. And people who purchased Monday morning, some of them were trying to blame the people [laughs] who purchased Sunday night and say, “Look, well, if anybody is deserving of tickets, it’s the people who purchased them at the correct time of 10 AM on Monday morning.” Well, it’s not the people’s fault who purchased them on Sunday night. They were the same people that were probably going to be purchasing tickets on Monday morning, so they just said – they didn’t want to get locked out, and so I don’t think it’s fair to kind of discriminate against any one group here. In the end, it doesn’t matter. But I think that moving forward for an event like this, if you’re going to put tickets on sale online, you’re going to make tickets available on the phone, you’re going to make tickets available at the box office, but you’re not going to allot a certain amount of tickets to each group?

Eric: Mmm.

Micah: You’re just asking for trouble.

Eric: Because that’s what they do with major sporting events and stuff, right?

Micah: Yeah. But it’s all through one system, and I guess that’s the same thing that they were looking to do here at Lincoln Center. But the problem is, if you’re making something like this – sporting events – baseball plays 182 games. You’re probably not going to have too much difficulty getting tickets except for sort of the higher profile games. This is a high-profile single event. If you’re making tickets online available, how fast do you think those are going to sell out when you have people waiting in line at the box office? How many people are you going to be able to get through who are waiting in line?

Eric: Well, what was shocking to me was that not only did they – I think it said they sold out online the night before, but then they were re-made available that morning at the correct time. It’s as if the previous night didn’t even happen. The system must have reset, or for some reason the counter started again. It started over. So, that was really the situation, is that it was double-booked. I mean, people were able to get tickets at the normal time as well, and I just don’t know what kind of a system error causes that. It’s very shocking to me. It’s very kind of a unique situation we haven’t seen for us yet.

Micah: Well, I’ll just read you really briefly what the message from Jazz at Lincoln Center, which is the group that is putting on this event, said. It says:

“Due to a security breach…”

So they’re already putting it on somebody other than themselves.

Eric: Yeah.

[Selina laughs]

Micah: [continues]

“…tickets for the J.K. Rowling event on 10/16/12 were made available prematurely at 10 PM on September 9th. Tickets then went on sale at the previously announced time of 10 AM on September 10th.”

To your point, Eric, I don’t know how they didn’t already know…

Eric: Realize that they were already sold out.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Which, if that had happened, wouldn’t have been fair to everybody waiting in line. I understand that, I respect that. But everybody, I think, speaking on behalf of somebody who was online at the time, was – Twitter started lighting up and everybody was like, “Wait, they’re selling early, something happened,” and we just weren’t all clear on what was happening. And I think many people weren’t aware of the fact that they were – that there were people waiting in line who wouldn’t get tickets and that kind of thing, if something like early registration had happened.

Selina: Is there any danger of double booking? That they aren’t going to be able to give everybody who got their tickets a space?

Eric: Well – so that’s what happened until they resolved it by doing what Micah is about to tell us.

Micah: Yeah. So, that message goes on and basically absolves Little, Brown and J.K. Rowling of any association with this issue. But – actually, Hypable reported today at around 5:00 that they just got off the phone with Lincoln Center and had answers that they were read an internal e-mail stating that “the event will move to the David H. Koch Theater,” which is also part of Lincoln Center. “All tickets purchased on September 9th and 10th will be honored. The move to the larger theater is to accommodate the larger-than-planned audience.” Obviously, people are not going to have the same seats that they currently have. I guess maybe what you’ll have to do is maybe they’ll send you a voucher in the mail, or you can print out your receipt, bring it, and I would think they’re probably going to give tickets out there. That would be my guess, but…

Selina: This is great, because they get more money and everybody wins.

Micah: [laughs] Yeah, exactly.

Selina: And more people get to see her.

Eric: Well, no – well, think of J.K. Rowling because if this event is also a signing, that’s extra books she’s going to have to…

Selina: She’s not going to be signing for every single person. They’re going to set aside a certain amount of time for her, and whoever she has time to sign, she will sign. You know what I mean?

Eric: Well, because the Jazz at Lincoln Center Theater used to hold or currently holds 1,100 people, is it? So, we’re thinking that – I mean, how much does the David H. Koch Theater hold now? Do you know, Micah? Or can we look for…

Micah: [slowly] David H. Koch Theater holds…

Selina: [laughs] Googling, Googling.

Micah: Yes.

Eric: Did I get that name right?

Micah: The David H. Koch Theater holds 2,500 people.

Eric: Wow.

Selina: Right. Well, she’s not going to do 2,500 signatures. I mean, she…

Eric: No, no, no.

Selina: …won’t be able to.

Micah: Well, here’s the thing though: she signed every book for people who were at – was it Radio City?

Eric: Carnegie Hall.

Micah: Carnegie Hall. She signed all of those books.

Selina: Did she really? Wow.

Micah: And she’s done that for pretty much every event that she’s been to, that she’s held…

Selina: I just remember her coming to my country of “Swenmark”…

[Everyone laughs]

Selina: …and there were about 200 people there and she signed maybe 100 and then she left.

Eric: Wow.

Selina: And then the rest of us didn’t get our books signed, so I’m a bit ñ excuse me for my skepticism. I have been burned by her personally. [laughs]

Eric: Oh no.

Micah: Uh oh.

Selina: Yes, I hold a grudge, J.K. [laughs]

MuggleCast 257 Transcript (continued)


News: J.K. Rowling’s Other Upcoming Appearances


Micah: Speaking of other places, where else is J.K. Rowling going to be venturing for this Casual Vacancy book tour?

Selina: She has a number of different appearances. She’s only doing the one public event in the U.S., I believe, though she is going to appear in several television shows. She has one interview in Australia and she will be appearing – on the release date, she will be appearing for a Q&A at the Queen Elizabeth Hall in London. And then she will be appearing at the Cheltenham Literature Festival and the Lennoxlove Book Festival, and that is in Scotland, that last one.

Eric: Huh.

Micah: And, also…

Selina: So, some interesting stuff.

Micah: Yeah.

Selina: Some different kind of events.

Micah: And also when J.K. Rowling is going to be here in New York City, she’s going to appearing on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart.

Eric: Oh cool. Jon Stewart and Jo have a little bit of history. I remember he introduced her the first evening of Harry, Carrie and Garp at Radio City, and he was hilarious. He mentioned then how his young children really enjoy the Harry Potter books. I think both of them will play off each other very well on this TV appearance.


Anticipation of The Casual Vacancy


Eric: Before we move on, this is sixteen days before the next J.K. Rowling book.

Selina: Yay!

Eric: I mean, it’s been five years and two months or something since the last J.K. Rowling book. Thoughts? How do you guys feel about that?

Selina: I feel ready. I say bring it on and then we can talk about Casual Vacancy the next episode.

Micah: It’s true, the next episode that we do is probably going to have us talking about Casual Vacancy. I guess it depends on how quickly all of us get the book…

Selina: CaVaCast, it’s coming – I know, I haven’t even got my – I haven’t even pre-ordered mine yet because [laughs] in my country…

Micah: Tisk, tisk.

Selina: …they haven’t ñ I don’t know if they’re actually going to have them.

Micah: [laughs] Do they have books there?

[Eric laughs]

Selina: No, we all write on those big stones. [laughs] It takes a while to transcribe.

Eric: To wait?

Selina: Yeah, exactly.

Micah: Like the Flintstones?

Selina: Yeah, like the Flintstones, that’s me. In my hut. But no, I don’t know if I’m going to – if I get it on Amazon, it’s not going to arrive on the day and then I’ll have to wait and stay off the Internet and I’m like, “Oh no!” It’s like Order of the Phoenix all over again.

Eric: Micah, how do you feel?

Micah: I’m looking forward to it. I think that it’s going to be – I want to watch the response from everybody else. I’m obviously going to get the book, read it, find out what happened. But what standard is she going to be held to here? She created the Harry Potter series and I have a feeling – I think Ben said this on the show that we did. They’re looking for her to fail in some capacity. They’re waiting for that one thing that they can jump on and criticize her for, because Potter was such an enormous success, and it’s going to be a hard act to follow, there’s no question about it.

Selina: Yeah, I know. I worry.

Eric: Me, personally, I can’t wait too, and I believe I said this last episode as well. I can’t wait to see what tools she’s developed, and I can’t wait to read more stuff from her, even if it’s not necessarily Harry Potter-wise. I feel like there will be a lot of similarities, simply – not necessarily in the text, but because it’s coming from the same author. We’re going to get to know Jo a little better.

Selina: Yeah.

Micah: Yup. I’m interested to see her write outside of fantasy and see – because she seems like that kind of author that can be a really good mystery, political thriller type author because of the way that she crafted so many different story lines in Potter.

Eric: That and those few Muggle chapters, like with the Minister of Magic – or the Prime Minister. You know, the Muggle Prime Minister and stuff.

Micah: Right.

Eric: Those chapters were talking about Muggles, essentially. And Muggles and politics, even. So, maybe that will be the similarity.


Review: Harry Potter Wizard’s Collection


Micah: All right. Well, before we wrap things up with some e-mails, I know we wanted to talk briefly about the Wizard’s Collection. And I did a review of the collection, as did Rosie, she did the U.K. version. I don’t know if it’s any different [laughs] than the U.S. version, but both of those reviews are up on MuggleNet and I actually wanted to read an e-mail that we have here. Emily, 29, from Colorado – she sent in a couple of questions and I was hoping I might be able to answer the questions that she has relating to the Wizard’s Collection.

Eric: Emily, 29, from Colorado writes:

“I need some help. You are the only folks I can think of to give a straight answer. It’s this ‘Wizard’s Collection’ set. In addition to being a rabid ‘Harry Potter’ fan, I am also extremely cheap (frugal, I like to think of it). I purchased every ‘Harry Potter’ film on DVD instead of Blu-ray at the time it was released because it’s cheaper, and I do not own any of the Ultimate Editions because there are no extended cuts after Movie 2. I have been holding out on spending more money on ‘Harry Potter’ movies until the ‘hoped for but now seems like it will probably never happen’ extended versions of all eight films were released. But now there is this ‘Wizard’s Collection’ which I’ll admit looks very cool, and Micah gave it a reasonably warm review on MuggleNet. So, here’s the 350 dollar question.”

[Selina laughs]

Eric: [continues]

“Is it worth the price tag? All the best, Emily.”

Micah: It’s difficult because I don’t want to tell somebody to go out there and spend 350 dollars. I think that if you’re somebody who doesn’t own a complete set of all the films, if you’re somebody who is looking for that behind the scenes and maybe you don’t have the Ultimate Editions, if you’re looking for that complete set that comes in this cool box with a bunch of other different props and little pieces that are considered to be collectables, I think that it’s something that you should consider. In and of itself, you’re getting 31 discs with 37 hours of special features. Again, if you don’t have that stuff already, then I think this comprehensive set, if you’re a die-hard fan, it might be something that you want to look into. And as far as new content, you’re only getting that five hour bonus disc. But if you don’t have the Ultimate Editions, if you don’t have the special features that come on the other DVD and Blu-ray packages, it’s 37 hours. So, you have to ask yourself: if you’re a die-hard fan, do you want all of that in one consolidated set?

Selina: Yeah, and just to really briefly play devil’s advocate, some of the best stuff out of those 37 hours is going to be on YouTube. I feel bad…

[Micah laughs]

Selina: …even saying that, but it’s true.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Well, is it? Is it, Micah? Can you confirm that – have you seen anything already that’s on YouTube? Because they were doing previews on…

Micah: Well, I’m assuming Selina is not referring to the videos provided by Warner Bros. [laughs] She’s referring…

Selina: No. [laughs]

Micah: …to the videos that some people might rip off of the Blu-ray and DVDs that are in this set.

Selina: I know, and I’m not saying that I would condone that in any way. I’m just saying if Emily really is worried about spending this money, but she wants – I don’t – I feel bad saying that, but it is so true though. You do get a lot of this stuff…

Eric: Well, being…

Selina: If you want the package, if you want the originality, if you want the good quality that you don’t get on those YouTube rip offs, then yes, get it.

Eric: Well, also, this writer wrote in and Emily said that she didn’t – she only had the DVDs, so if she doesn’t already have the Blu-rays – there were features, especially on the last two films, that only were available on the Blu-ray.

Micah: Yeah. So…

Eric: So, that might tip the scales in favor of this collection.

Micah: Right. If I’m able to break it down a little bit here, what you have is each film is in its own case, and they have all these different drawers, and Movie 1 is in its own drawer but then as you move on they kind of consolidate them a little bit. Each film comes with four discs, so you have the DVD version, the Blu-ray version, you have a special features disc for every film up to Goblet of Fire, and I believe it stops after that, and you have the – what’s it called? “The Making of Harry Potter”?

Eric: Documentary?

Micah: The documentary, yeah. So…

Eric: On the fourth disc?

Micah: On the fourth disc. So, for Sorcerer’s Stone you’ll have part one, and then as you move down, I think only Order of the Phoenix and Half-Blood Prince give you three discs: DVD, Blu-ray, and the “Making of” documentary. And then with Deathly Hallows: Part 1 and Part 2, you get DVD, Blu-ray, 3D version of the films, and “The Making of Harry Potter”, the documentary. And then of course, the bonus disc has a lot of cool stuff on it as well. But all of that – it’s just so much. You could literally spend days watching all of this stuff, and then – I don’t know how much added value is there for the people that liked the collectibles. Does that make it automatically worth you going out there and purchasing this? Do you want a replica of the Slytherin Locket? Do you want a blueprint map of Hogwarts? Do you want a felt map of the Hogwarts grounds, and these special sketches and prints that come from Stuart Craig? So, I guess it all comes down to do you want that stuff? Because I feel like if you just want the films, you can obviously just go out there and, like you said, go to Walmart, go to some other place, go to Amazon and buy the films, the single versions if you just want the movies. But I do feel like this is a pretty comprehension set, and it will probably decline in terms of price over time, so if you wait a little while. I don’t think they are going to sell out these 63,000 sets within weeks. I’d be shocked if they do that.

Eric: I just wish – what I want to really talk about is this five-hour extra features, unique single bonus disc that’s not tied to any one film. I wish there was a way to just purchase that disc. That seems – being somebody who owns now all of the films on DVD, and on Blu-ray in fact, with the exception of the documentaries, the eight-part documentaries, the only new feature – and I don’t have enough room for another damn locket or map in my room or wherever I live. I want to know about this bonus disc.

Micah: Yeah, I think there is really great content on this bonus disc, but I feel like, to Selina’s point, you’re probably going to get some of it showing up at other places.

Eric: Mmm.

Micah: This extended version of “When Harry Left Hogwarts” I thought was really awesome because you’re seeing the last days of filming this series, and really it’s taking you back to the entire filming of Deathly Hallows. And they call it the last days, but it’s really more of a documentary on this entire process for the last two films. And you see them doing a – what’s it called? – a read-through of the scene when Voldemort confronts Neville and Harry comes back to life, and Ralph Fiennes is standing there in a sweatshirt and a pair of jeans.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: And it’s weird to see Voldemort standing there, speaking like Voldemort obviously, but just like any regular person.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Micah: And I feel like it’s those things that are going to draw people to this, but I do feel like there needed to be a little bit more. I mean, there are more segments on this disc, aside from that. I like the “Fifty Greatest Moments in Harry Potter”. I thought it’s cool watching them count down. You kind of get a – you reflect a little bit on…

Eric: Who hosts this?

Micah: It’s – I couldn’t put the voice – I couldn’t nail down the voice.

Eric: Oh wow.

Micah: But they – it is a voiceover, but they do get input from different cast and crew.

Eric: Oh cool.

Micah: So, you get analysis essentially on these moments from Dan Radcliffe, Emma Watson, Rupert Grint, J.K. Rowling, David Heyman…

Eric: Sure.

Micah: …and the list goes on and on. So, it is a really cool disc, but again, if you don’t care about the collectibles and you own all the other movies, is this five-hour disc worth 350 dollars? That’s really what you’re getting at, at the end of the day.

Eric: Fascinating.

Micah: But just to run through it real quick, they do have another part called “Designing the World of Harry Potter”, where Stuart Craig and his team discuss how he brought the books to life and how the design that he implemented evolved over eight films. That was really cool. “Secrets Revealed: Quidditch”, where they go behind the scenes of Quidditch. And “Secrets Revealed: Hagrid”, where they talk about creating everyone’s favorite gamekeeper.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: And then “The Harry Potters You’ve Never Met”, where you really see from the stunt doubles’ perspective…

Eric: Cool.

Micah: … for Dan Radcliffe, Emma Watson, and Rupert Grint, and get the whole story of what happened to Dan Radcliffe’s stunt double who, of course…

Selina: Oh yeah.

Micah: …was seriously injured. There is a moment in that first documentary that I talked about where he comes back to the set for the first time and is meeting with everybody. So, it’s a really unique perspective to have.

Selina: That does sound awesome.

Eric: Now, I guess the one thing I was looking most forward to when I heard about this outtake and when David Yates first hinted at to me in the Wizarding World about this upcoming Wizard’s Collection before it was even titled, he said that there were going to be outtakes. There was going to be a bloopers reel. He said in fact there was going to be one on the Deathly Hallows Blu-ray home video that didn’t end up happening. My question is, did they actually make it to the Wizard’s Collection – this blooper reel, these outtakes?

Micah: I didn’t see any outtakes. I have heard mentions of them here and there. Maybe there were parts I didn’t get a chance to look at just yet, but there’s no specific section in this set that’s dedicated to – or no specific disc in this set that’s dedicated to outtakes. So…

Eric: Especially not one from earlier films, right?

Micah: Yeah. Well, see, I thought you might get a bit of that in the “50 Greatest Moments”.

Eric: Mhm.

Micah: Not necessarily from the film, but more behind-the-scenes “50 Greatest Moments”.

Eric: Oh. Cool.

Micah: But again, I didn’t see any of that. I think people are kind of waiting for that. And here’s the other thing: when you’re doing “Secrets Revealed: Quidditch”, “Secrets Revealed: Hagrid”, think of all the different things you can do “Secrets Revealed” on. How many more discs [laughs] could you actually create if you wanted to? So, that kind of scares me for what lies in the future.

Eric: [laughs] Well, they need to release – I think they need to separate themselves from the films a little bit and stop reselling films with added content, and start just selling the added content. Maybe that’s a completely revolutionary idea, maybe it’s a dumb idea, but I know for a fact that I would buy that. And I would look forward to more of these unique documentaries, because ultimately – look, the only people who can produce these kinds of documentaries are the people with that behind-the-scenes footage. A blooper reel – I would pay for a blooper reel, and I would pay for a disc that just had a blooper reel on it. So, cater to me. Let me be a consumer. Let me consume this blooper reel whenever you want to publish it on a disc. And it doesn’t have to also include the film on it to make it more marketable. In fact, it makes it less marketable because I already have the film. So, that’s my theory on that.

Selina: Okay.


Would You Rather


Micah: Yup. So, before we wrap up here, the e-mail that Emily sent into us also had a new idea for a game that I think we should try out here real quick.

Selina: Yay! A game!

Micah: It’s called Would You Rather.

Eric: [laughs] Oh God!

Micah: I’ll go through the questions here.

[Selina laughs]

Micah: Some interesting questions, I have to say. The first one she asked: Provided he never goes to Azkaban, would you rather live with Sirius in Grimmauld Place or with the Weasleys at The Burrow?

Selina: Hmm. See, initially I would – no, I’m going to say the Weasleys. I was going to say it might get too annoying, but I would want to live with Ron.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: That was what I was going to say. I was like, eventually, living with seven people would be as annoying…

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: …to you as it is to them when Ron complains about having such a big family.

Selina: Right. And if Sirius never goes to Azkaban he’s probably going to be less broody. He’s not going to be as depressed as he was in the fifth book. [laughs]

Eric: Right. I have to, because of my love for the Prisoner of Azkaban book and the storyline that never could be with Harry, really living with his uncle.

Selina: I know.

Eric: I have to say – have to, have to say – that I would rather live with Sirius at Grimmauld Place.

Selina: What would you say, Micah?

Micah: I’m going with the home cooking. [laughs]

Eric: Oh right.

Selina: Yeah.

Micah: So, I’m living with the Weasleys.

Selina: I think I’ll join you.

Eric: It beats living with somebody who could eat rats for a year.

Micah: And it’s a cool place to live. Grimmauld Place is not very appealing.

Selina: No. Yeah, I would go for The Burrow.

Eric: Well, the paints are peeling, Micah.

Micah: Yeah, yeah. Got to get Uncle Ray over there.

[Micah and Selina laugh]

Micah: Next question: Would you rather be able to Apparate – so it’s one or the other – or cast charms with a wand?

Selina: Oh God.

Eric: Do you think it should be “without a wand”?

Selina: No, I think with a wand because it’s like, would you rather be able to cast charms or Apparate? Seeing as I’m right now trying to stay awake to catch a bus to catch a plane to catch a train to get back to Denmark, [laughs] I would probably choose Apparition right now.

Micah: Yeah, I like Apparate too.

Eric: Me three.

Micah: All right. And then last one: Would you rather be born a Muggle and never know about the wizarding world…

[Selina gasps]

Micah: …or be born a Squib and know about the wizarding world but be unable to participate fully in it? That’s a good question.

Selina: I would say Squib because you’ve still got all the magical items.

[Eric laughs]

Selina: You can still get stuff like – I don’t know, people can give you enchanted things.

Eric: Mhm.

Selina: I don’t know. I just – I love the idea that magic exists. I would rather live in a world where I knew magic existed than this one.

[Micah and Selina laugh]

Eric: Aww.

Selina: I’m crying. No. [laughs]

Eric: Micah, what do you think?

Micah: It’s tough. I kind of agree with Selina.

Selina: Yeah.

Micah: I’d rather know that it exists than go through Muggle life and not knowing…

Selina: Like you do right now.

Micah: Exactly.

Selina: Yeah, that’s why we’re fans. It’s because we want to believe in this kind of stuff.

Eric: There’s always Kwikspell courses, right?

Selina: Exactly.

Eric: Yeah. I agree.

Selina: And we could have magical pets.


Show Close


Eric: Yes! Well, this was fun. In fact, Emily’s e-mail – in her e-mail she writes that she and her husband play this periodically around the dinner table, so that must be fun for them. Well, that wraps up this week’s episode. We had a little bit of an unexpected fun segment there at the end. Thank you, Emily. And now, this concludes MuggleCast Episode 257. Glad to get all that news out of the way, and it was great discussing The Casual Vacancy, which comes out in sixteen days.

Selina: Oh my God! Next MuggleCast is going to be all about it. CaVaCast!

Eric: And I think we’ll probably be able to talk about The Perks of Being a Wallflower if it comes out in your country, Selina.

Selina: Yeah, which it probably won’t. But I’ve read the book so I can still… [laughs]

Eric: Ahhh.

Selina: …bring something to the discussion.

Eric: I should re-read the book. It’s a short enough book and I’ve had it ever since I read it for the first time in ninth grade.

Selina: “And in that moment, I swear we were infinite.” [sighs]

[Micah laughs]

Selina: So amazing.

Eric: I didn’t – that line in particular didn’t do much for me…

Selina: I loved it.

Eric: …but I guess I have other lines in that book. [laughs]

Micah: So, for all the information on this show as well as to be able to download past episodes and read transcripts of each show, you can visit MuggleCast.com. We know we were having a problem for a little while with the more recent episodes, but that should all be fixed now. All the transcripts should be up-to-date, including our most latest episode which took place in Chicago for LeakyCon 2012. And of course, you can follow us on Twitter at Twitter.com/MuggleCast, like us on Facebook, Facebook.com/MuggleCast, and we have our MuggleCast Tumblr, which is MuggleCast.Tumblr.com. I think. I hope I got that right.

Eric: Yeah, you did. That’s our MuggleCast fan Tumblr.

Micah: And of course, you can rate and review us on iTunes.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Micah: We certainly appreciate all your reviews. If you listen to another one of our shows…

Selina: You know why we’re laughing.

Micah: …there’s usually a little bit more that follows you rating and reviewing us on iTunes. Selina, why don’t you tell them about that?

Selina: [laughs] Rating and reviewing on iTunes?

Micah: No, no, our other podcast.

Selina: Oh right, okay. [laughs] I was going to say.

[Micah laughs]

Selina: I’m not going to do that on this show. That other show – you guys know you’re all intrigued. You have to go listen now. It is the Game of Owns podcast that the three of us do with our friend, Zack. So, if he was on here, that would pretty much be what this was. [laughs] Which is kind of strange.

Eric: Game of Owns?

Selina: It’s all about Game of Thrones, and we are currently doing a spoiler-free – [clears throat] Micah – re-read of the first book, Game of Thrones. It is very exciting.

Micah: And of course, we do cover the TV series as well.

Selina: Yes.

Micah: We’re on a little bit of a break right now, though, between seasons, so we decided that whole chapter-by-chapter thing works pretty well. And speaking of chapter-by-chapter, we do have another podcast over on MuggleNet called Alohomora!, and they are doing a global re-read of the Harry Potter series. They just put out their eleventh episode, where they’re looking at Chamber of Secrets, Chapters 3 to 4. It’s run by all MuggleNet staff, and it’s a good listen. So, if you’re getting back in that flow – I know around the fall time, people start re-reading the Harry Potter series, they get into the spirit of things. So, be sure to give that a listen, as well as our Academia podcast which just put out its ninth episode, which compares Tolkien to J.K. Rowling.

Selina: Ooh, very exciting.

Micah: We’ve compared Tolkien to other authors on different shows as well, so…

[Micah and Selina laugh]

Micah: Won’t get into that, but two great podcasts about Potter for you guys to give a listen to.

Eric: Hypable has a few podcasts as well, Selina, don’t they?

Selina: Oh my gosh, yes. Do you have an hour?

Micah: We don’t have time for all those.

[Everyone laughs]

Selina: Let me just plug a few of my own, shall I?

Eric: Sorry, Andrew, we had to not mention them because of time.

Selina: Actually, speaking of Andrew, Twilight fans might know his show, Imprint. Well, we have a show on Hypable called Vampire Hype, which talks about The Vampire Diaries and Twilight, as well as True Blood, Buffy, that kind of stuff. And Andrew actually guest-hosted on that one as well. We seem to keep missing each other because we were both on this episode but in different segments. And we have a Once Upon a Time show called Onceable as well, which is so exciting, and Hunger Games Chat and Glee Chat – there’s so much. Just go listen to them all.

Micah: Awesome.

Eric: So, that concludes 257 – MuggleCast 257. We’ll see you probably – I will say as soon as possible after…

[Show music begins]

Eric:The Casual Vacancy release to see – to hear and see our thoughts. Perhaps we’ll do a live stream, but perhaps not. And we’ll see where the winds take us. So, thank you for listening to this week’s episode of MuggleCast. I’m Eric Scull.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Selina: And I’m Selina Wilken.

Eric: See you next time! Bye!

Selina: Goodbye! Happy Vacancy times!

[Show music continues]

Transcript #256

MuggleCast 256 Transcript

LeakyCon 2012
Chicago, Illinois
August 10, 2012


Show Intro


[“Hedwig’s Theme” plays]

Andrew: This week’s podcast is brought to you by Audible.com, the Internet’s leading provider of audiobooks, with more than 100,000 downloadable titles across all types of literature, including fiction, non-fiction, and periodicals. For a free audiobook of your choice, go to AudiblePodcast.com/MuggleCast.

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: We have Selina Wilken.

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Selina [unintelligible] the past few episodes you have probably heard her. See, people clap for you, Selina. Don’t worry.

Selina: [laughs] Thank you.

Eric: Wait, guys. Aren’t we missing somebody?

Andrew: Well, this seat is reserved for every MuggleCaster who has died – no.

[Audience laughs]

Eric: Wow.

Andrew: [laughs] Who we wish could be here but just can’t be here. That includes people like – who are they? I forget them already.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: I just delete them from my head. Jamie…

Micah: Kevin.

Selina: Laura.

Micah: Laura.

Andrew: Kevin, Laura, who are these people? Matthew? I don’t know who that is.

Eric: Mikey, Matt…

Andrew: Mikey, Ben…

Eric: Oh, Ben.

Andrew: Ben, too. We miss all these people.

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Oh, hey Ben!

[Audience cheers]

Ben: Hello!

Andrew: Last year you were wearing a hotel staff T-shirt, so I see you came better dressed.

Ben: I have a MuggleCast skirt.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay.

[Eric laughs]

Ben: It’s big enough to be a skirt.


MuggleCast Celebrates Seven Years of Podcasting


Andrew: Speaking of these shirts, actually, these are really cool. They were designed by Stephanie Falcos, right?

[Audience cheers]

Eric: Yeah, she’s done the shirts for the past few years for us. Now unfortunately, guys, there aren’t any shirts to sell or for us to give out, sorry, this year. We just had to get them for the panelists. We do have one shirt, though, which we will be giving away later in the show for an audience member, so we’ll have more details about that later. If you like the shirt, it’s a seven-year design because we’re celebrating this month…

Andrew: Seven years, as was noted at the opening ceremony last night, along with PotterCast.

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Thank you. Yeah, it’s very cool to think that we’ve been doing this for seven years now. I know it was Ben, Kevin Steck, and I who did the first episode, and then Eric…

Ben: Way back in the day.

Andrew: Yeah. And then Eric joined on, and then Micah joined on.

Eric: And Jamie.


Recap of LeakyCon Events


Andrew: Yeah. So, good, good stuff. But getting back to the con, was anybody here at last night’s opening ceremonies?

Eric: Opening ceremonies?

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: But not just the opening ceremonies. Then there was also Maureen’s Midnight Movie. [laughs] Did anybody go to that?

[Audience cheers]

Eric: What was the movie?

Andrew: Well…

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: I had heard it was going to be (500) Days of Summer or something, and then I see everybody going down – it was really Maureen’s 12:45 Movie, it wasn’t Midnight Movie. But – so it ended up being [laughs] Breaking Dawn: Part 1.

[Scattered cheers from the audience]

Andrew: [laughs] But they did commentary, so it was pretty funny. Did anybody go to that here?

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Okay. Yeah, and also, thanks for getting up early for this. This was at 1, and then they pulled – yeah, they pushed us ahead. And then Evanna’s appearance as Luna – no, sorry, as Katniss.

Eric: Katniss.

Andrew: That was really funny as well.

[Someone in the audience cheers]

Andrew: We put a picture up on Twitter, on the MuggleCast Twitter. Micah and Evanna [laughs] were taking a very nice picture together.

Micah: And then you got in the back and photo bombed it.

Andrew: Yeah. I don’t know, I just thought it was cool. So, one of the things – I assume most of you listen to MuggleCast.

[Scattered laughs from the audience]

Andrew: We usually start with the news. So, Micah, what’s in the news this week?

Micah: Ummm…

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: We didn’t plan that. I just wanted to see what he would do.

[Audience laughs]

Micah: Too early, too early.


The Casual Vacancy Release Parties


Andrew: The Casual Vacancy, we wanted to talk about because it’s the most recent thing, and one of the things we wanted to talk about was – sorry, I just realized there’s people over here, too. Hello, everybody over there.

[Audience laughs]

Eric: Hello, everybody over there.

Andrew: Hi. [laughs] One of the things we wanted to talk about was The Casual Vacancy. The book is going to be released at 8:00 AM GMT – this was a recent news story – which is [pronounces “green-witch”] Greenwich Mean Time, I believe?

Eric: Greenwich.

Ben: Yeah.

Eric: Greenwich.

Andrew: Greenwich. And – 8:00 AM that time. That’s 3:00 AM Eastern and 12:00 AM Pacific. So, that means – what I’ve been clamoring for – Casual Vacancy midnight release parties: West Coast, baby.

[Someone in the audience cheers]

Andrew: Let’s go. Now, I’ve raised this question before. Would – let’s see a show of hands of people who would actually go to a midnight release party for J.K. Rowling’s first Harry Potter book…

Eric: Post-Harry Potter

Andrew: Post-Potter book, The Casual Vacancy. Okay, that’s a good number of people. Would you guys go to midnight release parties?

Selina: Absolutely. Not – just because it would give us a chance to reconnect with all the Potter fans, if anything.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: I started going to midnight release parties when I was like twelve, so I think it would be cool to do that again.

Andrew: Do you feel like it should continue with J.K. Rowling’s books, or are we just desperately holding on?

Ben: Are we chasing the hive…

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Ben: …from Harry Potter?

Andrew: [laughs] Yes, exactly!

Ben: To a certain degree, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. I think the worst thing would be to have people be disappointed because their expectations are so high for this book, and I think it’s important to not judge it by the same lens that we judge Harry Potter.

Eric: That said, I think – it’s really exciting that the last Harry Potter book was five years ago. Not going to make the point that Harry Potter is still going strong because it is, but also, we haven’t seen what J.K. Rowling is capable of for five years. I mean, every writer grows and expands and becomes a better writer just through writing and through the time. Think, it’s been five years since we’ve read a J.K. Rowling book. I wonder what new tools she’s picked up and will employ in this new book.

Micah: Well, she’s been making tree houses, too.

[Audience and Eric laugh]

Andrew: Yes! Well, we weren’t really going to talk about that because that’s such a random thing, but was anybody else really surprised that J.K. Rowling is building a Hogwarts treehouse for her kids in her backyard?

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: That seems – I don’t know if you saw the pictures but there are these sketches, and there’s even an owl sitting in between the two towers for her two children.

Eric: The real story is that Warner Bros. is going to sue her.

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Eric: They own Hogwarts! I don’t know. You can’t build a tree fort in your backyard.

Andrew: And there’s tunnels and there’s a sliding pole. I’m so jealous of her nine-year-old.

Eric: If you’re J.K. Rowling, why not, right?

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, exactly.

Eric: Why not a tree fort?

Andrew: But yeah, The Casual Vacancy – I’m really excited. So, people – I guess there’s two options. The other option, if you live on the East Coast, you can go to a 24-hour Walmart [laughs] and hope they put them on sale at 3:00 AM.

Eric: Because what it means is they are not going to release the books anywhere before it hits midnight GMT, right?

Ben: Yeah, there isn’t going to be some asshole who puts the scans online.

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Ben: That’s not going to happen either.

Eric: You can’t say that word in this podcast.

[Audience laughs]

Ben: Oh, I’m sorry. My bad. A-hole.

[Audience laughs]

Eric: No, I meant podcast.

Ben: Oh.

Andrew: You just got approval from Melissa. Melissa just gave the okay. Asshole is okay.

[Audience laughs]

Eric: Moving on.

Andrew: Actually, there’s people…

Ben: Why did she walk in right as I said that? It’s awful.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: There’s people in this very audience, that I won’t point out, who I thought genuinely would want to attend a midnight release party but don’t want to. And I was shocked by that.

[Audience laughs]

Eric: You got some feedback at Comic-Con about that, right? People were saying…

Andrew: Yeah, the Comic-Con audience was very – we did a Harry Potter panel and it was a great turnout. But the Comic-Con – they were very hesitant. Like, they hadn’t seen the cover yet, they didn’t want to go to midnight release parties. I was trying to get them excited about different Harry Potter things and they just weren’t, and I’m like, [sighs] “This is not the MuggleCast audience.”

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Selina: Do you think it’s sort of a reaction to it not being a Potter book, though?

Andrew: Yeah. Of course.

Selina: They want more Potter as opposed to J.K. Rowling?

Andrew: Yeah. Does the whole e-reader thing screw it up as well?

Ben: Can you download it at 3:00 AM East Coast time?

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Oh okay.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Oh, so you don’t even have – you can have a midnight – you can have your own private midnight release party in your pajamas.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Right. That’s the beautiful thing. So, people could organize their own midnight release party online. But, in this case, 3:00 AM.

Ben: Get on Skype or Google Hangout.

Andrew: Yeah, exactly. So, everybody refreshes their Kindle at 3:00 AM and then it’s just silence on Skype for another sixteen hours.

[Audience laughs]

Ben: Such unity. Such unity.

Andrew: I remember Kevin – yeah, I think it was Kevin Steck. We were all reading Deathly Hallows together in England. Closer? Thank you. Okay, thanks. We were reading Deathly Hallows in England and every five minutes he would be like – oh no, no, he read it early. He read it before all of us.

Eric: He did. He did.

Andrew: He had some downloaded copy or something.

Eric: All he did – we all get our Book 7, we’re crying and bawling in London. Jamie is running around, tears are falling. Kevin just takes the book, he’s like, “Can I borrow this?” Looks at the first page and then looks at the last page, and he’s like, “Yup, read it.”

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: But then he was sitting there as we were all reading, and he would go over to each one of us – he was like the teacher in class and we were the students all reading the book, and he would come over – he would just come over to Eric, look over his shoulder and be like, [imitating Kevin] “Where are you at?”

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: “Oh! It’s about to get really good.”

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: “Where are you? Awesome! Oh man!” We were like, “Kevin, shut up! Leave us alone.”

Ben: Did he read the scans or something?

Andrew: Yes! He read the scans.

Ben: So did Mikey B, if anybody remembers Mikey B.

Eric: So, somebody sent…

[Audience cheers]

Ben: Yeah! Mikey B! Yeah!

Eric: So, that’s been one of the perks, I guess, of being so exposed. People send us early illegal…

Andrew: Nobody sends us early – that’s not our perk. [laughs]

Eric: [laughs] Oh no, no.

Andrew: Kevin got it early.

Ben: Fans pirated copies.

Eric: To the MuggleNet staff, right?

Andrew: Well, there was a recent news story that The Casual Vacancy – they haven’t been sending it to the translators because they want to protect the manuscript, which is understandable.

Eric: There are ways that historically people have gotten their hands on these books no matter how [unintelligible] the embargo is. Things like translated copies get sent to countries so that they can be released at the same time as the English ones, and that’s been a source, I guess, for pirated – pirating?

Andrew: Pirated.

Eric: Piracy!

[Audience laughs]

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So, one thing we definitely want to do later in the show actually is take lots of audience questions, but we also got to keep a close eye on…

Ben: The time.

Eric: Oh yeah.

Andrew: …the time as well. You also had a Chicken Soup you wanted to read. Did you have that prepared?

Eric: I do have that prepared. Yeah – okay, well this is…

[Audience laughs]


Future of the Harry Potter Fandom, Success of The Casual Vacancy


Andrew: Oh – okay, while you prepare that, one other question we wanted to ask – I raised this at Comic-Con and people gave me a no – does The Casual Vacancy kind of join up with Harry Potter, and does it become the J.K. Rowling fandom or is it strictly the Harry Potter fandom? Is the fandom that we know now slowly morphing into the J.K. Rowling fandom?

Eric: Like, if she were to announce another book series that has nothing to do with Harry Potter – say it’s just another young adult book. Do the Harry Potter fans embrace it? Even this, which is an adult book, do we embrace it? Is everybody going to read it or are people going to say, “Well, it’s not Harry Potter“?

Andrew: Yeah. Does everyone plan to read The Casual Vacancy?

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Okay, I guess the better question is: is there anybody who’s not interested?

Audience Member: It depends on if it’s good!

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Right, depends on if it’s good.

Ben: How do you know if it’s good if you don’t read it?

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Andrew: The Amazon reviews!

Audience Member: I’ll get my friends to read it first!

Andrew: See, but don’t you want to read it first? Because people who got into Harry Potter

[Audience member shouts something]

Ben: Why trust somebody else’s opinion? Why not go with your own?

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

[Audience member shouts something]

Andrew: But see, some people got into Harry Potter late and they were like, “Oh, I wish I got into this earlier. I only got into it word of mouth.” So, why don’t you be a – everybody can be a pioneer of [laughs] The Casual Vacancy. Get into it straight away.

Audience Member: I think the real question is, will anyone read her second book after…

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: Ooh.

Andrew: The real question is, will anybody read her second book? Because this is the first post-Potter book, so…

Eric: So, it’s even more prestigious than…

Ben: Yeah, I think if she screws this one up, then the next one she won’t have…

[Audience laughs]

Ben: I mean, I think the commercial success for the rest of her life is guaranteed just because it’s a big selling name, J.K. Rowling. Everybody – it’s a household name. But I guess – yeah, it all comes down to whether or not it’s critically acclaimed. I feel like the critics are going to come down hard on her because she’s J.K. Rowling and she’s had so much success. So, I think as human beings there’s this certain degree, an element in each of us, that doesn’t want to see other people be successful, because it reminds us of how unsuccessful we are.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Speak for yourself!

Ben: No, I’m just saying! There are people out there who are – that want to tear other people down just because she’s a billionaire author. That doesn’t happen very often.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Or ever.

Andrew: People will be critical of the book and rightly so. I mean, they have to look at it and give a fair review, not just because it’s by the Harry Potter author.

Eric: We were wondering – and I’ll get to the Chicken Soup in just a moment. We were wondering if she was going to publish under a pseudonym, or a fake name, or something like that. That’s an alternative for authors like Stephen King who’s done it before as Richard Bachman, who don’t want the, I guess, pre-earned praise for a book, or just for it to be under a close eye before…

Andrew: Right.

Eric: So, glad she’s not doing that. Unless she already has and she’s written, like, Fifty Shades of Grey or something.

[Audience responds in disapproval]

Selina: Ouch.

Eric: What if?

Ben: I’m sure Neil Blair would prefer that she do it under her own name…

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, because it would sell.

Ben: …so he can make some money.

Andrew: Right. Neil Blair is her…

Ben: Her agent, right?

Andrew: Her agent.

Eric: Oh yeah.

Ben: She ditched Little, Brown, right? A while back?

Andrew: No, no, no. Little, Brown – that’s the new guys. You mean Scholastic.

Ben: Huh? She ditched – Little, Brown is the new guys? No, she ditched Little, Brown.

Andrew: No, The Casual Vacancy is being published by Little, Brown.

Ben: Oh okay.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Okay, I don’t know what I’m talking about.

[Audience laughs]

MuggleCast 256 Transcript (continued)


Fifty Shades of Grey


Andrew: Doesn’t a – isn’t a Harry Potter-Fifty Shades kind of inevitable at this point? Like, doesn’t it have to happen? People are looking at the commercial success…

[Audience responds in disapproval]

Andrew: Well, hold on! Wait a second! Wait a second! The reason I say that is because Fifty Shades – it was a Twilight fan fiction, that’s how it started. So, other people are looking at how they can get in on the Fifty Shades craze and of course that means – what was the book, Selina? There’s two books being rewritten in the style of Fifty Shades.

Selina: What?

Andrew: Quiz time. Sorry, I put you on the spot.

[Audience member shouts something]

Andrew: Yeah, the classics because they are in public domain now so they can be rewritten.

Selina: Oh yeah.

Andrew: So, there’s a Sherlock one, right?

Selina: Pride and Prejudice and something.

[Audience responds in disapproval]

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: What is this…

Andrew: Sherlock Holmes, not Benedict Cumberbatch.

Eric: I’m going to regret asking this. What is the style of 50 Shades?

Andrew: I don’t know. I wanted to read the first one just so I could say that, but let’s not turn this into a…

Eric: Okay. So, anyway…

[Audience laughs]

Micah: I mean, Aberforth and his goat would definitely have a scene in there.

[Audience laughs and applauds]

Andrew: By Micah Tannenbaum. Audiobook by Micah Tannenbaum.

Eric: So, we – and the audiobook will be read by him.

[Audience laughs]


Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul


Eric: Everybody loves Micah. Okay, so we have a Chicken Soup here. It’s one of our segments on MuggleCast. A Chicken Soup – it’s just somebody who sends an e-mail saying, “Hey, you guys are great and you’ve made an impact on my life.” We mentioned being in London for Book 7 – which was a big moment for us – for Episode 100, five years ago. Now, this is Episode 256. We’re all in 256 colors, we’re very colorful, and – I had to bring that in somehow. So, we’re still getting these e-mails. We’re still getting these e-mails from people, and this one comes from Sarah S., age 21, from Connecticut. And she says:

“Dear MuggleCasters,

Happy seventh birthday! I’ve been a listener since Episode 1, and I can’t believe it’s been seven years since I first tuned into your fantastic podcast. It’s taken me far too long to write this message, but I wanted to say thank you. Not just for seven great years of podcasting, but for the impact you’ve had on my life. When I first listened to MuggleCast seven years ago, I had no idea where it would eventually lead me. But listening to you guys and tuning in each week as you created something so fun and special sparked my interest in broadcasting. I even attempted to create my own HP podcast. Even though that fell through, I never lost the interest you inspired and seven years later, I am station manager, DJ, and news reporter at 88.5 WRKC, my college’s radio station. Working in radio has given me so much and shaped the person I am today, and I have MuggleCast to thank for sending me down this path. So thanks guys, happy birthday, and here’s to another great year.

Sarah S.”

Andrew: That’s very nice!

Ben: That is awesome!

[Audience applauds]

Andrew: [in radio DJ voice] WKRC!

Eric: [in radio DJ voice] WRKC 88.5!

Andrew: [in radio DJ voice] Coming at ya!

[Audience laughs]


Audience Question: Pottermore Features


Andrew: Okay, so we’re going to take some questions. I wonder if this mic – could we use this mic? This wired mic?

Eric: Microphone.

Andrew: Could we use this wired microphone? Do you think – we’ll try it out? Well, does anybody have questions? I’m sitting here assuming.

[Audience laughs]

Eric: If there are any questions.

Andrew: Okay, if anybody has questions, why don’t you come up stage…

Audience Member: Where’s Jamie?!

Andrew: Where’s Jamie?

[Audience laughs]

Eric: Where’s Jamie? Let’s call Jamie.

Ben: He died.

Andrew: If you want to do like fifty dollars a minute. Okay, but if you have questions, come up to this side. I’m not talking about – what’s that show called on E!? “Where Have They Been?” [laughs]

Eric: If you have questions – let’s see if this works.

Audience Member: What happened to Chapter-by-Chapter?

Andrew: Well – okay, here’s the thing with Chapter-by-Chapter – okay, this isn’t like a MuggleCast, let’s tear them apart…

[Audience laughs]

Micah: It’s an interrogation!

Andrew: Where’s Jamie? Where’s Chapter-by-Chapter? I mean, where’s questions about Harry Potter, The Casual Vacancy, and Micah’s goat, I don’t know.

[Audience laughs]

Ben: Micah, what’s your middle name?

Micah: Justin.

Ben: Justin. Bieber?

Andrew: Eric will field questions down from the audience. Right? Is that what they’re going to do?

Eric: Yeah, we’re going to line up in the center aisle according to the sound guy.

Andrew: But who has the mic?

Eric: The microphone is on its way.

Andrew: Oh okay. Yeah. Okay, cool.

Eric: Just very briefly.

Andrew: Awesome. Well, while we’re talking about that – well, let’s just – we’ll just get started. We’ll repeat the questions.

Eric: Here, you can borrow this and you can just trade off to the person behind you.

Audience Member: So, I love listening to you all banter about Pottermore. [laughs] And I was wondering, if you could add one feature to Pottermore, what would it be?

Andrew: Good question.

Selina: Pets, right Andrew? That you can take care of?

Andrew: Sorry?

Selina: Pets?

Andrew: Pets! Pets would be fun. I’ve been an advocate of adding pets. I think for me, a little more original material.

Ben: I think there should be a feature where you can – someone you’re pissed off at, you can send them a Howler, like a legitimate Howler.

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Andrew: Micah, any ideas?

Micah: Ability to function properly.

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Andrew: Ouch.

Ben: Harsh.

Selina: I think that some more personality would be great, like you could actually – you’re more than just your house and whatever pet you chose in the beginning, you know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: You can actually be someone who is in Pottermore.

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: Not just another number.

Andrew: Well, I think the features in Pottermore are okay. I think there just – they just need to add – every single chapter, every single moment needs to have something besides discovering a Chocolate Frog card or something like that. There has to be something in it, in each one besides that.

Eric: And all those items we’re collecting, I want them to mean something.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah, I want to know why I’m picking up the toad and the…

Ben: Because otherwise you’re just a hoarder, right?

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Yeah!

Ben: Have you seen that show on TLC?

Andrew: I feel like a Potter hoarder.

Eric: It’s encouraging hoarding.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: It’s a serious debilitating disease, I don’t know why you guys are laughing.

Andrew: What if there’s an episode – hoarding buried alive, Pottermore. And we enter Micah’s bedroom and he’s crying because he’s swamped with all this material in his Pottermore account. “I don’t know what to do with it all!”

[Audience laughs]


Audience Question: Old MuggleCast Episodes


Andrew: Next question.

Eric: All right, next question.

Audience Member: Hi, I’m Carrie.

Andrew: Hi.

Audience Member: I’m a little excited.

[Audience laughs]

Audience Member: So, I’ve been listening to you since Episode 1…

Andrew: Awesome.

Audience Member: …so I feel like I’ve kind of grown up with you guys.

Andrew: Awesome! How old are you now, if you don’t mind my asking?

Audience Member: I’m 24.

Andrew: Twenty what?

Audience Member: Four.

Andrew: 24?

Audience Member: Yeah. Do I need to get closer?

Andrew: I’m 23.

Eric: Little closer, little louder.

Audience Member: I know.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Did you just hit on her?

[Audience laughs]

Audience Member: I think I hit on you.

Eric: What?

Andrew: I don’t know! You’re giving – never mind. What’s your question?

Eric: I’m sorry, please – just enunciate, just from the…

Ben: She’s blushing.

Andrew: It’s because we – it’s not her fault.

Eric: It’s us.

Andrew: It’s our speakers.

Audience Member: Okay, so I’ve recently gone back and listened – started listening to your old episodes, and I was wondering if you guys ever go back and listen, because you all sound so little!

[Audience laughs]

Ben: What was that?

Andrew: Sorry, I honestly didn’t hear.

Eric: Do we go back and listen to – do we listen to our own earlier episodes of MuggleCast at all?

Andrew: No, because our voices are…

Ben: I only listen to tracks of myself to go to sleep at night.

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Audience Member: I just recently listened to your first live show and Andrew’s [mocking Andrew] “Yeah! Yeah!”

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: See, I have since developed. I have grown. I have matured.

Audience Member: Can we get a “yeah,” Andrew?

Andrew: Can we get a live one?

Audience Member: A “yeah.”

Ben: A “yeah”?

Andrew: I have to…

Ben: [mocking Andrew] Yeah! Yeah! All right!

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: All right! Welcome to New York City! MuggleCast live in New York City, Episode 15 or whatever the hell it was.

Eric: Yeah, something like that.

Audience Member: Okay, thank you.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: I do like listening to podcasts. Not our own, though.

Ben: [mocking Andrew] “Yeah! Yeah! All right!”

Andrew: I still get e-mails to this day like, “That episode was so funny,” or “Hearing your ‘yeahs’ was so funny.” I’m like, “Thanks.” It got to the point – we got so many e-mails, negative e-mails, about the “Yeah, yeah”s to the Leaky Mug e-mail address that I actually added a Gmail filter that said, “If ‘Yeah Yeah’ send to Trash.”

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Because we were all sharing that e-mail address and I didn’t want everybody seeing all these e-mails.

Ben: Seeing all the “yeah, yeah”s.

Andrew: And the guys found out and I was like, “Dammit.”

[Audience laughs]


Audience Question: Harry’s Interest in S.P.E.W.


Audience Member: Hi, my name is Taz. I just want to first thank you because I made this shirt for your first “Wear Your MuggleCast T-Shirt Day.”

Andrew: Oh awesome!

Audience Member: And this shirt got me chosen at the Wizarding World of Harry Potter to have my wand choose me.

Andrew: Oh awesome!

Audience Member: So, I just want to thank you for that.

Andrew: Very cool!

Audience Member: And then, my question is: Harry Potter grew up in a cupboard, he was treated like a slave by the Dursleys, and I was wondering if you had any opinions on why he didn’t sympathize more when Hermione tried to start S.P.E.W., because he was treated like a house-elf, pretty much, by the Dursleys.

[Audience responds with “Ooh!”]

Ben: I heard something about Hermione and a house-elf.

[Audience laughs]

Audience Member: Sorry!

Ben: Can you add some bass to your voice, please?

Eric: I heard it. The question was given that Harry was raised – at least for the first eleven years – in a cupboard, treated kind of like a house-elf, always having scraps of food under the floorboards, why wasn’t he more sympathetic when Hermione came up with S.P.E.W.?

Selina: Harry is very self-absorbed.

[Audience applauds and laughs]

Selina: I like him though, but…

Ben: It’s kind of hard not to be if everyone is pointing at your face and being like, “ha ha ha!”

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: I think it was more interesting to see Hermione get this pushback from Harry. I think it was more interesting to see them not interested in it. And it also shows their immaturity.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Whereas Hermione is grown up and she is taking care of the creatures.

Eric: I think the fact that it was Hermione out on her own really allowed J.K. Rowling and the readers to have her – well, allowed J.K. Rowling to build that character.

Ben: And establish her independence.

Eric: Yeah. Establish her independence, exactly. She needed something to go off and do alone. Ron had Lavender, she had S.P.E.W.

[Audience laughs]

Ben: And Harry always tends to – I think throughout the series Harry always tends to agree with Hermione on most things, so it’s good to show them in the contrary point of view.


Audience Question: Potted Potter


Audience Member: Hi guys. My name is Morgan. I’m from Florida. I’ve been listening to you guys since I was thirteen. I’m twenty now, so it’s like…

Andrew: Awesome. Seven years.

Audience Member: Yeah. So…

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: I’m keeping up with the seven year theme!

Eric: You do well at math, man.

Audience Member: Okay, so recently I went on a vacation to New York and I saw Potted Potter. I was wondering if any of you guys or anyone here has seen it. It is amazing.

[Audience cheers and someone shouts “Yes, it’s awesome!”]

Andrew: Potted Potter is the off Broadway Harry Potter parody musical, if you will. I haven’t seen it. Has anybody up here seen it?

Eric: Well, Micah lives in New York.

Micah: I have not seen it, though.

Audience Member: You need to go see it. They’re hilarious. And they’re so grateful to have the fans there.

Ben: Is that where Dan Radcliffe shows his…

[Audience laughs]

Eric: Potted Potter?

Ben: Oh. [laughs]

Eric: That would be Un-Potted Potter.

[Audience laughs]

Eric: But they’re coming to Chicago soon, I read on MuggleNet or Hypable.

Andrew: You see the banner ads.

Audience Member: Go see them.

Eric: I will see them when they come. I haven’t seen them.

Audience Member: Thank you!

Eric: Thank you!

Andrew: No problem. What’s up, dude?

Selina: Well, what is Potted Potter? Is that the StarKid? No.

[Audience responds with “No!”]

Eric: No, Potted Potter – completely separate, kind of like – it’s condensed. It’s all seven books in an hour.

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: Oh wow. Do they…

Andrew: Do not go there, Selina. Do not compare StarKid to anything other than StarKid.

[Audience cheers]

MuggleCast 256 Transcript (continued)


Audience Question: Wizarding Photographs


Audience Member: Hi guys. Unlike all the other people that were in front of me, I have not been listening for seven years but I’ve listened to every episode…

Andrew: Awesome!

Audience Member: …and I’ve been listening for two or three years. And it’s been awesome, guys.

Andrew: Awesome, thank you.

Audience Member: I love the podcast. My question is kind of silly – not silly in the sense where it’s funny, it’s just weird.

[Audience laughs]

Audience Member: A new form of communication for wizards: Do you think that if they took a wizard photo, where they had a marker and a whiteboard, they’d be able to communicate? Because they can move, and Harry had free will in that photo where he’s trying to pull away from Lockhart. Do you think they’d be able to communicate with pad and paper, and that would be a new form of communication? And I invented that.

[Audience laughs]

Eric: What was that last bit?

Audience Member: Trademark!

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: So, you’re saying people in the pictures communicating via writing?

Audience Member: Yeah.

Andrew: Well, we know, right, that portraits – it’s a reflection of – you can talk to them, but it’s just a reflection of their personality. It’s not necessarily their – you can’t actually hold a conversation with them.

Eric: If you have a self-portrait taken, are you talking to yourself?

[Audience laughs]

Eric: “Hey, how’s it going?” But – especially if they’re a pair, I think – notepads as communication. If there’s a pair of mirrors, the wardrobe – there’s a pair. So, pairs of paintings can walk and see each other and visit Grimmauld Place. Phineas Nigellus does that. So yeah, I think it’s definitely possible.

Audience Member: I think they have to be dead to be in portraits. There’s no portraits of live people that they ever have. It’s always dead people.

[Another audience member says something]

Eric: Oh yeah, Lockhart has the picture of himself and a picture…

Audience Member: But he doesn’t talk.

Eric: No, he doesn’t. The first one moves.

Audience Member: Yeah.

Eric: The first one moves around and kind of smiles.

Audience Member: Yeah, it’s a giant photograph. And he does stuff, so communications.

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: Well, photos don’t – I mean, the photos in the Muggle or the Hogwarts – [laughs] the wizard world, there you go – they don’t add anything new to them. I mean, it’s just a reflection of the person at the point where the picture is taken, so they’re not going to be able to communicate with a photo.

Eric: Yeah, it’s unclear. It’s kind of like five seconds of their personality…

Audience Member: Oh.

Eric: …is in view. Like Harry pulling away from Lockhart.

Selina: They sort of reflect whatever that person is feeling at that particular time, I think.

Audience Member: Harry escapes from Lockhart, so there is more than five seconds. He gets away from him and he feels victorious.

Selina: That’s because he feels at that point – Harry wants to get away, so the photo…

Audience Member: Oh okay.

Eric: Yeah, the impression was to get away, so the fact that the portrait Harry gets away was real-life Harry.

Audience Member: Right.

Eric: Anyway…

Audience Member: Thanks guys!

Eric: Yeah, thanks!


Audience Question: Deathly Hallows April Fool’s Joke


Andrew: Hello there!

Selina: Hi!

Micah: They could just use FaceTime.

Andrew: Keep Calm and…

Andrew and Audience Member: Tour Space.

Audience Member: It’s a StarKid thing.

Eric: Tour Space.

[Audience cheers]

Ben: Have you been listening for seven years? Please tell me you have.

[Andrew laughs]

Audience Member: Actually, I wanted to talk about that. Because I listened from the beginning, but I stopped listening when I was nine for, like, two years because you guys said that you read the seventh book, and I was nine and I believed you. And then it took you, like, three episodes to say that it was an April Fool’s joke.

[Andrew laughs]

Audience Member: And I was a gullible nine year old, so I stopped listening.

Andrew: [laughs] Awww.

[Audience responds with “w!”]

Audience Member: So, I just wanted to say that. Yeah. [laughs]

Andrew: Awww, I’m sorry that happened, but I’m glad you’re back now. [laughs]

Audience Member: But I’m still kind of disappointed that Neville didn’t run over Bellatrix with Sirius’s bike. That would have been really good.

[Audience laughs]

Audience Member: So – Molly was awesome, too. [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] Thank you. Hello there.


Audience Question: Unforgivable Curses


Audience Member: Hi, my name is Elena. I have only been listening for the past three or four years. But one of my questions that’s been bothering me since the fourth book was when Mad-Eye Moody shows them the Unforgivable Curses in class. How do we not know he’s evil then? Because they said – it’s been said time and time again that you have to have evil intent to be able to cast an Unforgivable Curse, and he did all three right there in class.

Eric: I think for demonstration’s sake, too, you – I mean, you can channel the will to – I use the comparison for Snape. You guys can jump in here, but Snape was able to – look at Dumbledore, look at the relationship between Snape and Dumbledore, and Snape was still able to use the Killing Curse on him even though he looked up to Dumbledore. It was something that had to be done. Snape was particularly good at compartmentalizing his feelings and he could just channel, “Okay, will to kill. Got it.”

[Audience laughs]

Eric: Even on somebody that he didn’t necessarily hate, unless he was angry or was making him kill and that sort of thing. So, Mad-Eye Moody – let’s not forget – was an Auror, and you need to be able to ó in some cases, where the Killing Curse is permitted, you need to be able to do that. So, I’m sure he had extensive psychological training to be able to mean each of those curses, even though – I mean, unless he has something really against spiders.

[Audience laughs]

Eric: Which could be true, too.

Micah: I think it just comes down to choices.

Ben: [imitating Dumbledore] It is our choices, Harry.

[Audience laughs]

Ben: Or something like that.

Eric: I wondered when that was going to come up.


Re-reading the Harry Potter Series


Ben: So, I had a question for you guys. How many people have read the books, each of them, more than ten times?

[Audience cheers]

Micah: Wow.

Ben: Okay, when you read the books again, does it give you the same tingly feeling that you got when you read them the first time?

[Audience cheers]

Ben: Or time number fifteen, does it lose its luster?

Eric: I think, for me, there will always be those special moments. Like, at the end of Book 3, for me, when Sirius writes the letter to Harry, and then also, “Harry Potter has my permission to visit Hogsmeade as his guardian.”

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: That was awesome.

Eric: That, to me – that moment will always get me, everywhere, no matter where I am.

Ben: I thought – when they won the Quidditch Cup, I was like, “Yeah!”

[Audience laughs]


Audience Question: The Casual Vacancy Discussions


Andrew: All right, we have a few minutes left, so rapid fire questions to see if we can get through these.

Audience Member: Hi.

Andrew: Hi. Who are you? I have never seen you before.

[Audience laughs]

Audience Member: I’m Gina…

Andrew: Just kidding.

Audience Member: …from Chicago.

Andrew: Go ahead.

Audience Member: You guys just talked about how the fandom is going to intertwine with The Casual Vacancy.

Andrew: Mhm.

Audience Member: And I was wondering what you guys plan to do with The Casual Vacancy as a podcast, I should say.

Selina: Chapter-by-Chapter?

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Wait, what was the question?

Audience Member: Do you plan to cover The Casual Vacancy?

Andrew: Well, we’re definitely going to do an episode, a general review episode. But outside of that, I don’t know exactly what we’re going to do. I mean, I’m sure there will be at least a couple of episodes. But we’ll still talk Harry Potter. It’s not like it’ll turn into “Casual Vacancy”-Cast overnight.

Eric: I think there’s going to in evidently be a more – after our initial review there’ll probably be an “Okay, so how many comparisons can we draw to Harry Potter?” Because I don’t think Jo will actually…

Audience Member: Well, you do it a lot with Game of Thrones and I like it, so…

Eric: J.K.R. might not intentionally leave any references to Harry Potter, if it’s a name or a location. I don’t think she’s the kind – she can distance herself from that kind of stuff. But ultimately the comparisons will be drawn because this is her next book.

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: We’re going to be looking for characters and comparing them and that kind of thing.

Micah: But really, she had to name her main character “Barry”?

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, come on!

Eric: From Harry to Barry.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: Barry!

Micah: Barack with Harry?

Eric: Barry Fairbrother.

Andrew: The cover – but he’s dead. Somebody sent in a good theory saying, “Well, Barry dies right at the beginning of the book. Maybe it’s kind of reflective of J.K. Rowling -” did we read this e-mail on MuggleCast? Maybe it’s kind of reflective of J.K. Rowling moving on from Harry.


Audience Question: Future Books on Pottermore


Andrew: Okay, we actually have time for two more questions. Really quick. This guy right here. Yeah, you!

Audience Member: Oh yeah!

Andrew: Yeah!

Audience Member: All right! Hi, I’m Matthew. I’m from Georgia.

Ben: Nice robes!

Audience Member: Thank you! Slytherin for the win.

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: What is your question, sir?

Audience Member: Right. On the last episode, you were talking a lot about Pottermore, of course, and you mentioned how there’s a lot of information that isn’t going to be released because it spoils later books. So, do you think when we get to Book 6 and 7, we’re going to get a ton of information in each chapter? Or is it just going to be the same?

Andrew: I hope so. No, I think they have it all planned out at this point, really. Or at least probably half of the series by now. And I think they’re planning it out so there’s like three – every other chapter, maybe, there’s new information. Because that’s what it’s looking like right now.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: So what, we’ll get that in 2018? Around that time?

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, we’re looking like that. Wow.

Ben: I’m going to go ahead and call it right now. Twenty years from now, J.K. Rowling will write another Harry Potter book.

Andrew: Twenty years?

Ben: Twenty – she’ll take like – she’ll be in her sixties…

Selina: I agree. I think so.

Ben: …and she’s going to come back to it. I guarantee it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: I think so, like a prequel book or something. Because…

[Audience cheers]

Ben: Yeah, you’ve got the Ben Schoen guarantee here. It’s golden.

Andrew: Remember at the Deathly Hallows premiere, just last year, she said, “This is the closest I’ve gotten -” oh okay. Sorry. “This is the closest I’ve gotten to wanting to write another Harry Potter book.” [laughs] Okay, really quick, and then we have one last thing to do. Really quick.


MuggleCast T-shirt Giveaway


Audience Member: Hi, I’ve been listening to you guys for five years. It’s my birthday today, and I’d just like to say this is the…

Andrew: Happy Birthday!

Audience Member: …best birthday ever!

Ben: Happy Birthday!

Micah: Happy Birthday!

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Here is a birthday gift for you.

Eric: [stutters] But – this is a…

Andrew: A giveaway. Yeah! [laughs] Ben just said he’s going to…

Eric: Ben is not attached to his shirt.

Andrew: It’s her birthday. Here, we have a gift for you. This is the giveaway.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: And we also have one more surprise.

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: How old are you turning?

Audience Member: I’m fifteen today.

Andrew: Fifteen?

Eric: You’re fifteen?

Andrew: Awww! What does your shirt say?

Audience Member: It says “free hugs.”

Andrew: Oh, free hugs!

Selina: That’s so Hufflepuff! That’s perfect.

Andrew: Take the free hug.

Eric: She was eight when MuggleCast began.

Ben: Give her a hug, Eric.

Andrew: Okay…

[Audience applauds]


Happy Birthday Micah


Andrew: Okay, and we also have one more surprise. Speaking of birthdays, it is actually somebody’s birthday up here. Micah Tannenbaum is about to…

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: …celebrate a birthday. August 17th?

Andrew and Micah: Next week.

Ben: My birthday is the 24th, you jerk.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Oh, that’s true as well. That’s true as well.

Micah: Two birthdays!

Andrew: Well, okay…

Micah: We’ll celebrate together.

Andrew: We actually have a little surprise, if they’re going to come out right now. I don’t know.

Eric: Ooh. Let’s see if we have a…

Andrew: Okay. One, two, three.

[Everyone sings “Happy Birthday” to Micah]

[Audience cheers]

Eric: Happy birthday, Micah.

Andrew: We have a birthday card here. People have been signing it over the past few days.

Eric: Show it to the audience, it’s beautiful.

Andrew: Beautiful birthday card.

Eric: Beautiful artwork.

Andrew: If anybody…

Josee Leblanc: We’ve actually been carrying that card in your face for the past two days and you haven’t noticed.

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I have not noticed.

Andrew: We will have it at the signing afterwards if anybody else wants to…

Josee: It was on the corner of the MuggleNet table yesterday. He was just right beside it.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Audience laughs]

Josee: He never noticed.

Micah: Oblivious.


Show Close


Andrew: Thank you, too, for organizing that and putting the card together. Thank you everybody for coming! It’s been a lot of fun.

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: We are going to be doing a signing over at – somewhere.

Micah: Southwest…

Andrew: Immediately after this.

Micah: Southwest Exhibit Hall.

Eric: One or two? It’s one or two. Find us!

Andrew: We’re going straight there. We’ll be more than happy to say hi to everybody, hang out with everybody. Sorry we didn’t get to the rest of the questions, guys.

Josee: And for those who haven’t signed the card, Andrew, maybe we can leave it out so that they can sign it? Because obviously we haven’t had the time to get everyone to sign it.

Eric: Yes, we’ll leave the book out for them to sign.

Andrew: And there goes the shirt into the audience. [laughs]

Eric: And there goes Ben’s shirt!

[Audience cheers]

Eric: Congratulations!

Andrew: All right, thanks everybody!

[Audience cheers]

Eric: Thank you all for seven magical years! Good night!

Transcript #255

MuggleCast 255 Transcript


Show Intro


[“Hedwig’s Theme” plays]

Andrew: Because it’s been five years since Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows and we’re still ticking, this is MuggleCast Episode 255 for July 22nd, 2012.

[Show music begins]

Andrew: This week’s podcast is brought to you by Audible.com, the Internet’s leading provider of audiobooks, with more than 100,000 downloadable titles across all types of literature, including fiction, non-fiction, and periodicals. For a free audiobook of your choice, go to AudiblePodcast.com/MuggleCast.

[Show music continues]

Andrew: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 255. This is actually take two because we forgot – or no, we didn’t forget. There were some audio glitches last time we recorded this, which was about two weeks ago. But that’s okay, we’re doing it again. Time has passed and things have changed, so some things we won’t even discuss because now it’s irrelevant.

Micah: It’s like that lost episode. What was that episode, again? I forget when…

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Eric: It was like thirteen, wasn’t it? It was…

Andrew: Yeah, it was early on.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: And we just skipped it, we skipped the episode number. And then our competitors accused us of just trying to up our episode count. We were like, “No, no. See, here’s the lost episode.” But why was it lost? Because we did recover it, so how was it – did we just re-record it? Was that it?

Eric: Maybe…

Andrew: Or just – oh, I think it was going to take an especially long amount of time to edit, I think, because somebody’s audio got lost or something.

Eric: Yeah, I think – there were episodes we re-recorded, too – like what we’re doing now – where we had to keep the episode because we totally lost it. I think…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: If I’m remembering correctly, thirteen, because it was like a big deal that it was thirteen and it was cursed – or maybe it was twelve – we were going to do a character discussion and instead we ended up talking about some big news that had just happened, which worked out for the better.

Micah: Could be.

Andrew: It happens.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Especially when you reach 255 episodes.

Eric: Oh gosh.

Micah: Yeah. I mean…

Andrew: Good God.

Micah: With all things considered, I think we’ve had a pretty smooth…

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: …run through 255 episodes.

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: Yeah. In seven years there’s a couple of bumps in the road here and there.

Micah: Of course.

Eric: Fortunately we’re back.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: So, that’s…

Andrew: And we are celebrating the five-year anniversary of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows book release.

Eric: Yes, as we record this on July 21st, 2012. I cannot believe it’s been five years since the last Harry Potter book.

Andrew: Me neither.

Micah: And Episode 100.

Eric: And…

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: [laughs] Well, that’s true, too. Looking at that and doing the math, I’m like, “Wow, we’re so behind on episodes.”

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: But we knew – actually, that was Episode 100, was when we really decided we’re going to taper down a little bit, I think. And…

Andrew: Yeah. So, we basically did 100 weeks in a row, which was good.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, it’s crazy that it’s been five years, though. It just seems like time has absolutely flown by. And I think the big question back then was: will the Harry Potter fandom continue? And it completely has. It’s been as active as ever thanks to Pottermore, the movies…

Eric: The theme park.

Andrew: The theme park, of course.

Eric: The Exhibition and the Leavesden Studios.

Andrew: Yeah, that one’s really kept a-ticking.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: And – hey, that was like the pre-game…

Andrew: No, it’s the theme park.

Eric: That was the pre-game for the studio tour, so…

Andrew: Right.

Micah: And the conventions.

Eric: Yeah.


Eric Attends Ascendio 2012


Andrew: Mhm. Speaking of that, Eric was just at Ascendio in Orlando.

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: How was that?

Eric: It was great. Micah was able to join us for the MuggleCast – I don’t want to call it a meet up, but it was like a presentation that was done there, just looking over the seven years of Harry Potter podcasting. And Micah was able to add his thoughts during it. We had about maybe 50 to 100 people show up for that, and that was actually a pretty good turnout because our meet up wasn’t on any of the books. And Ascendio itself was really nice. You guys have been to the Royal Pacific Resort on Universal property. The Portofino Bay at the other end is – it’s grander in scale but it’s super – I want to say silent. It’s quiet, it’s relaxing, it’s done up like an Italian villa. And honestly, the con was kind of themed like if the Malfoy family went on vacation.

Andrew: Oh neat, neat.

Eric: Yeah, everybody put themselves out there. This con was really for me, it was about putting yourself out there.

Micah: And you were there in your own performance though, weren’t you?

Eric: Yes. [laughs] The play Mischief Managed – we had mentioned this a couple of episodes ago on the show – went really well. It was about James Potter and the Marauders during their school years, so that went well, too.

Micah: I was just going to say that I really liked some of the photos that I saw from the MuggleCast meet up where I was tagged as the computer.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Because my voice was coming over Skype. Was it a bit like the voice of God in a way?

Andrew: You always have the voice of God.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: Yeah, I really don’t – it’s synonymous now. I’m just like, “What do you mean it was a bit like?”


Announcement: LeakyCon 2012


Andrew: Well, let’s move on to some – well, actually speaking of that, we are going to be at LeakyCon. We have been plugging this for thirty years, it sounds like. LeakyCon is August 9th to the 12th in Chicago, Illinois. We’re all going to be there, us three, including Selina [laughs] who we should have invited on the podcast today, come to think of it.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: It’s going to be in Chicago, Illinois. I think registration is almost sold out, but they just announced that StarKid is going to be premiering basically “A Very Potter Three-quel” there. It’s called, A Very Potter Senior Year. Registration is open now, you can go to LeakyCon.com and click “Register Now” at the top. And if there is a referral box or something, let them know MuggleCast sent you.

Micah: Yeah. And speaking of our podcast, we actually know the day and time that we will be doing our show.

Andrew: Ooh!

Micah: It’s going to be Friday, August 10th from 1:00 to 1:50 – even though it’ll probably go to about 2:00 or so – on the main stage. And earlier that day, we’ll also be doing a meetup. It’s going to be in the Southwest Exhibit Hall from 11:00 AM to 12:00 PM. So, you have the meetup first from 11:00 to 12:00, and then from 1:00 to 1:50 we’ll be on the main stage doing our podcast, primarily I think looking back at seven years of podcasting. Right, guys?

Andrew: Yeah, and talking about – maybe if there’s new Chamber of Secrets stuff opened up we’ll talk about that. We’ll talk about other news. We’ll take questions from the [yawns] – excuse me, it’s still early here. We’ll take questions from the audience, et cetera, et cetera.

Eric: These live shows are always a great opportunity to hear from the audience. I know it’s kind of been a long time since we’ve done voicemails on the show, but just being able to look at our listeners – and they have questions and maybe still unresolved theories. It’s a great time. And last…

Andrew: Look into their eyes.

Eric: [laughs] Last time Evanna Lynch showed up, so that was cool.

Andrew: Oh right, right. One other thing I was – on the last episode – actually, maybe I didn’t because this episode got lost – I moderated a Harry Potter panel at Comic-Con and it went very well. I was a bit worried because it was the very last panel of the day. It was – I mean, there were other panels going on at the same time, but it was the last time slot of the day. It was 4 PM on Sunday and after five days of madness, I just didn’t think many people were going to show up. But it was a packed room, a very large room as well, and we had a fantastic time. So, anybody who is listening right now and attended, thank you for attending. It was great and it proved that the Harry Potter fandom is still far from over because – a huge turnout.

Micah: Well, clearly they should have moved you earlier…

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: …just based on the fact that that many people stayed until the end.

Andrew: Exactly. And actually this panel has been moved into a bigger and bigger room every year. This was definitely the biggest room yet. I just think they’re unsure about it because it’s Harry Potter, but it went really well.

Eric: So, you were on that panel with Melissa and others?

Andrew: No…

Eric: Oh.

Andrew: …Melissa wasn’t the… Alex Carpenter, Joey Richter from StarKid, Gred and Forge – the wizard rock band, somebody from the International Quidditch Association…

Micah: Heidi, ri…?

Andrew: Somebody from FanFiction.net – no, Heidi wasn’t there.

Eric: Yeah, Heidi was going to and then she stayed back at Ascendio.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And I saw Alex last night, actually, so it’s pretty funny.

Andrew: Yeah. So, it was a good time. Very well done. A very great turnout.

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News: The Casual Vacancy Book Cover and Page Count Released


Andrew: Let’s get to the news now. There are some very interesting stories to talk about, and now that the – actually, I asked some of these questions at the panel and I got answers I was not happy with.

Eric: Oh.

Andrew: So, I’ll have to bring those up, too. So, go ahead, Micah. Talk – bring us through the news.

Micah: Yeah, so since our last episode J.K. Rowling released the cover and the page count for The Casual Vacancy and I’m sure we’ll talk a little bit about the cover shortly. But the page count is 512 pages long, so I think it just about matches Half-Blood Prince, right? Right around that area. And the book itself is retailing in hardcover for $35. I’m sure people can get it discounted at Amazon.com and other places. And, as we know, it’s going to be released on September 27th, but the big news is the cover. It looks like a ballot box with an X mark in it with some cool Microsoft Word type font [laughs] that says, “The Casual Vacancy.” What are your guys’ thoughts? Anything that you can take away from the cover?

Andrew: It’s very – it’s an adult book cover. That’s really what the big takeaway is from it. I mean, but I really like it. And some people pointed out, “Oh, it’s red and yellow, just like Gryffindor colors.”

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: But – no, I’m happy with it. I like the cover. I’m excited to hold it.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: This is one that I’m excited to actually physically hold.

Eric: And it’s…

Micah: I actually like, Eric, your cover a lot better, to be honest with you, that you created for April Fool’s Day.

Eric: Oh, thank you, Micah. You’re too kind. Yeah, maybe I should go and write them and get some kind of limited edition…

Micah: You’d think she could invest in a better, more visual cover.

Eric: No – well, this is visual…

Andrew: Oh, it’s got nothing to do with that.

Eric: This is perfect for the genre. I think, on our previous show that we lost, take one of this episode, I pointed you guys towards the Raymond Chandler book, The Big Sleep and the cover of it that I have is the same exact color, really. It’s considered to be one of the biggest detective novels of all time. Definitely launched the genre, and it’s very similar in typeface: shaky words and a single item, in which that case it’s a gun, this time it’s a voting ballot. So, I just think that it’s a standard type of book cover for the genre, so I think it fits perfectly. And the other point that I brought up – I’ll bring it up again because I just think it was good – was that, remember when five years ago today, in fact, we got the seventh Harry Potter book, and for a couple of weeks you’d be walking around outside seeing people maybe in the park or on public transit carrying these big Deathly Hallows – very orange, I think it was. The cover in America was orange – books. Well, just think, come September 27th this year, everybody is going to be carrying around these big yellow, red books.

Andrew: Yeah, I hope so.

Eric: And just like before, it was a sense of common identity. You’re like, “Oh, you’re a Harry Potter fan too.” People who you just don’t know are carrying around these whopping Harry Potter books. It’s going to be the same thing all over again. I’m looking really forward to that.

Andrew: Yeah, and I mean, right now I’m at the beach, I’m on planes and stuff, blah, blah, blah, and all I see is Fifty Shades of Grey

[Eric makes a disparaging sound]

Andrew: …and that black and silver cover. It’s time for something more refreshing. This is a direct strike at the number of Casual Vacancy – oh sorry, Fifty Shades of Grey covers that are out there.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: It’s ludicrous.

Eric: Oh my God.

Micah: I think people are used…

Eric: Have you read it?

Andrew: I’ve read parts.

Eric: Oh okay.

Andrew: The sexy parts. I…

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Micah: I think though, as a group, we’re kind of more used to the visual Mary GrandPrÈ style of covers at least, because that’s all we’ve known from J.K. Rowling in the past, and so we’re looking for covers to be more revealing as to what’s going to happen in the story. You can actually sit down with one of her book covers and look through and kind of pick out pieces of the story that it’s detailing. And I think, especially with the cover – and I’m just using this as an example – Prisoner of Azkaban, how much detail is in a cover like that. You really kind of have to sit down and look through, whereas this, Andrew, you pointed out, is a much more adult-style book cover. Maybe similar to what we would’ve seen in the U.K. adult versions of Harry Potter, just having kind of that single object. Yeah.

Eric: Well, I think covers are good for one thing. I mean, I know it is just an interpretation of the artist too, is the other thing. We sat down and discussed when the Deathly Hallows cover came out, “Are they in a coliseum?” that kind of thing, “Are they back in the Department of Mysteries?” – no, they were at Hogwarts, but we weren’t counting on Hogwarts being completely demolished to the ground to where there’s just pillars left. So, we still didn’t know. And with your Prisoner of Azkaban cover they’re on a hippogriff, but hippogriffs hadn’t been introduced yet so we just think they’re on a bird or an eagle or something. You don’t know the full story, at least with this cover – cover art, we know…

Andrew and Eric: There’s no questions.

Eric: [laughs] Well, we guess – we can kind of figure there will be an election, right? But that part was in the book summary which was released. So, it really…

Andrew: Yeah. Here’s…

Eric: I think they’re just kind of trying to focus on the content of the book itself. It makes me want the book more, I think. That there is…

Micah: I’m just saying we’re a very analytical group by nature.

Eric: Oh certainly.

Micah: And to your point, we’ve spent episodes upon episodes discussing book covers and what their relevance is, and so when you see a cover like that there is very little you can really draw from it other than it’s a ballot box with a check mark in it…

[Eric laughs]

Micah: …or an X mark in it. And the other thing that’s important here that I know, Andrew, you wrote a whole article about was that the name of the main character changed. It went from being Barry Fairweather to Barry Fairbrother. And not really much of an explanation as to why. Just all of a sudden the main character changes. Although, how relevant to the actual text he’s going to be, I guess we’ll find out. I don’t think he’s going to appear that much because it seems like he dies very early on in the story.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. I think what happened here was – first of all, there’s no way this was a mistake.

Eric: [laughs] What?

[Micah laughs]

Eric: Question everything.

Andrew: Yeah, because Little Brown – it’s Little Brown, right? They said, “Oh, his last name is actually Fairbrother, not Fairweather. This was an error on our part.” But you have to think, this summer, where the Barry Fairweather name went through so many different people, went through J.K. Rowling’s people, went through Little Brown’s people, went through agencies, went through editors – I mean, how could everybody have missed Fairweather? So, I just do not believe that this was a mistake. I think what happened was, it was written as Fairweather and then there was some legal issue that came up, or they were looking ahead to possible movie rights or something, and they said, “Well, we’re not going to be able to use Fairweather,” so then they changed it Fairbrother. And in order to not create – stir the pot any further they just said, “Oh, it’s just a typo.”

Eric: Maybe he was that small a character though [laughs] that everybody didn’t really know his real name.

Andrew: It’s just hilarious that the one character that we know about so far, his name was screwed up.

Eric: [laughs] Had a name change. Exactly.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: We know nothing about this book. [laughs]

Andrew: And so this was announced, like Micah said, when the cover was released and I’m looking – yeah, the iTunes description still says…

Eric: [laughs] Fairweather?

Andrew: …”Barry Fairweather.” And I bet it still does on Amazon as well because everybody is just like, “What the heck?!”

Micah: Well, I remember when we saw J.K. Rowling at Radio City Music Hall, she was kind of still figuring out what the title of Deathly Hallows was going to be. She had a couple of ideas in the back of her mind. I remember her saying that she was thinking about it in the shower…

Eric: [laughs] Yes, I remember that too.

Micah: …and she changed it.

Andrew: Ooh.

Micah: Yeah, hey. And…

Eric: She said that morning.

Micah: So, it’s certainly possible that this could have been something that she was debating for a long period of time, but the fact that it got as far as it did – eventually, through her, we found out what the other potential titles for Deathly Hallows were going to be. But I just feel like – and I agree with what Andrew said, that you can’t allow something like this to go to publication, and then a couple of weeks later say, “Oh by the way, the name of the main character? We screwed that up.”

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: There’s just too much oversight.

Eric: She’s got a Twitter, and…

Micah: [laughs] Oh geez.

Eric: …if I had all the energy in me, I would be begging her to tweet more. But she had the opportunity, the means established, to communicate.

Andrew: This is straight out of the book of Pottermore. I mean, it’s almost like…

Eric: If an error had been made, they could have been vocal a lot sooner. Now, like you said, they’re going to have to fight a battle – well, if they pick their battle – to fix iTunes and Amazon, which are still broadcasting it as Fairweather, when the publisher itself said, “No, his name is Fairbrother.” They’re still fighting that because they let it sit out there so long with the wrong title. But you could be right. I think it’s due to legal trouble. I think somebody named Fairweather threatened to sue. That’s what I think.

Andrew: Let’s move on. What else is there to – oh, one other thing real quick. On Hypable, we did this fun gallery. We photoshopped the Harry Potter covers. We recreated them as if they were made in the style of the Casual Vacancy cover.

Eric: I saw this. This was cool.

Andrew: Yeah, it turned out really well. And it was so funny because people actually really liked the covers.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: I’m telling you, you have a business here, Andrew.

Andrew: But we only spent like a half hour making them. And it just goes to show you…

Micah: So did the people at The Casual Vacancy.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: That’s exactly my point. That just goes to show you how simple the Casual Vacancy cover actually was.

Eric: I think we just insulted an artist. Some artist is sitting there in the world, and when he hears our critique, he’s going to be like, “No! That was the best ballot box ever!”

Andrew: Yeah. The one comment I did not expect on this article is, “Oh, I’d actually really want to buy these.” [laughs] I did not expect that at all. So, that was cool. If you go to Hypable, you can do a search for “Harry Potter Casual Vacancy book covers,” something like that. It’ll show up. Anyway, let’s move on now.


News: Slytherin Gets Early Access to Pottermore Book 2


Eric: Pottermore!

Micah: Well, the other big piece of news was that Chamber of Secrets has now opened on Pottermore. Slytherin, who won the House Cup for the inaugural year of Pottermore, got early access – only 24 hours of early access – to Chamber of Secrets. And I know on the last episode, which is now lost, we were kind of debating when this was all going to open up.

Andrew: And I was right.

Micah: Yeah, you were.

Andrew: For the record.

Micah: You said about a week or so, right?

Andrew: Yeah. We knew it was inni – immi – immin – imminimminimminent.

Eric: [laughs] It was the first day of Ascendio, I think. It was that morning. [laughs] It opened up, and I was like, “Well, I won’t get to that this weekend.”

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: But oh well.

Andrew: So, what do you guys – is that what we’re talking about first? Chamber of Secrets?

Eric: Well, hang on…

Andrew: Guide us, Micah. Be our leader.

Eric: Okay, so the book opened, right, but we only have four chapters, right?

Andrew: Right.

Eric: You can’t…

Andrew: Which was a bit of a let down.

Eric: What is that? What are they doing? It’s one thing to taper the books off and not give us any release dates. Then when they say Chamber of Secrets is going to open, and it opens, but it’s only the first four chapters – what are they doing?

Andrew: Well, they said that the next four, I think, are coming soon and then they’ll release the rest in the third part. Or maybe it’s more than four in the second part.

Eric: But they’re toying with us!

Andrew: I know.

Eric: Andrew, I just feel like my heart is on a string and they’re dangling it in front of a three-headed dog or something.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah. On the other hand though, I think it is good to space it out in three parts, because otherwise people will blow through the whole thing in an hour and then they have to wait another six months for Prisoner of Azkaban. That’s just a guess. I don’t know if that’s when POA is coming out.

Eric: I guess I can see that.

Andrew: You know, I was pretty impressed with the first four chapters. One of the first things I noticed was – is this what we’re talking about, Micah? Or should we talk about Slytherin first or something?

Micah: No, no, just keep going. That’s fine.

Andrew: Okay. I need you as our leader. One of the first things I noticed was the artwork. I think the artwork is very much improved. There are some beautiful pieces of Harry and Dobby, Harry in the Dursley’s backyard, Number Four Privet Drive – the front of it, just some really nice artwork that I think was a step up over Sorcerer’s Stone.

Eric: Now, I have a question about Harry and Dobby in this artwork, because didn’t J.K. Rowling say – now, I haven’t seen this Chamber of Secrets yet so maybe that of course would answer it ñ but didn’t Jo say that these artworks, these scenes, wouldn’t have characters in them simply because she doesn’t want to…

Andrew: Well, they don’t.

Eric: She doesn’t want to interfere with people’s interpretation. So…

Andrew: Yes, they do, but you never see their faces.

Eric: Oh, so it’s like the back of their head or…

Andrew: Right. Always the back of the head, or in the case of Dobby you see the top of his head and you see his long nose but you don’t really see his facial features.

Eric: Okay.

Andrew: Which is cool.

Micah: But I think in the fourth chapter, though, you get a pretty good look at Draco Malfoy if you zoom in to the fight that’s going on in Flourish and Blotts.

Andrew and Eric: Hmmm.

Andrew: But is it – let me look. Oh yeah, I see what you mean. But his beautiful blonde hair is kind of covering up – oh. Yeah, I see what you mean. Hmmm.

Eric: Yeah, it could be – it’s probably just an old decision that they’ve since revised, you know?

Micah: Well, one thing – go ahead.

Eric: Go ahead.

Micah: Finish.

Andrew: There is a book covering his face, actually.

Eric: Oh okay. Yeah, I think that…

Micah: Well, one thing…

Eric: Sorry.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: Go ahead.

Micah: No, it’s fine. Just finish.

Eric: Yeah, one of those stylistic choices that they made was to still keep it open, because they had to illustrate – a lot of this had to be illustrated, but they still wanted people’s own imagination to take over for the characters, so that’s why I remember. So, when you were saying, “There was Harry,” I was like, “Oh, how does that work?” But that’s cool.

Micah: One thing that I really took away from the first four chapters was that it’s very clear that this is being made for people who are experiencing the books possibly for the first time. And the reason why I say that is because there’s not a whole lot of new information in these first four chapters. There’s a couple of cool little games that they have where you have to keep the cake from hitting the floor when Aunt Petunia makes the cake and the Masons are over visiting. So, you have to play that little game. And then there’s also a game where you can de-gnome the Weasleys’ garden, which is fun. Probably the most fun of anything in those four chapters, because you can throw garden gnomes into the wall. But I really got that feeling overall that this is being made for somebody who is going through and experiencing the books for the first time. And we can talk a little bit about the new information that’s provided. It wasn’t a whole lot. The first was a little bit about technology in the wizarding world and how wizards use technology. Not to say that they can’t, but they don’t really have any interest in it because they have sort of an alternate means of doing the things that we need technology for. And then the second bit, which was more canon, was about the Malfoys and their backstory. And you get a real sense that the Malfoys actually had a very good relationship with Muggles early on, and they liked being a part of high class society and associating themselves with wealthier, regular, everyday people. They didn’t have to be wizards, but that perception on their end kind of changed over the years. It was really only to whatever benefited the Malfoy family at the end of the day. So, there’s some cool new pieces of information, but overall I didn’t think it was that satisfactory for the average fan.

Andrew: Yeah, it was structured very much – when I started taking notes it was very clear that the order of everything was very delicate. It was kind of like: game, new material, game, new material, game, new material. Now, what do you guys think of the addition of mini games? This is something I don’t think we really saw in Sorcerer’s Stone. Like Micah said, the de-gnoming and there was the other one to keep Aunt Petunia’s cake afloat.

Eric: Was this something you used the arrow keys for? How is this…

Andrew: No. It’s with the mouse. The de-gnoming was fun, but the physics were a bit weird, so you kind of had to practice to get the gnomes over the hedge…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: …which is the goal of the game.

Eric: Cleared thirty yards!

Andrew: Yeah, and the keeping the cake afloat, it was just sort of clicking, clicking, clicking. So, that really didn’t require much skill…

Eric: Okay.

Andrew: …if you will.

Eric: I mean, I like that they’re trying new things, right?

Andrew: Yeah, exactly. It was a fun little thing. But I’ve got to say, in between these – these were the four highlights: the game for Aunt Petunia – the cake – the new material from Jo about technology, the game to de-gnome the garden, and then the new material from J.K. Rowling about the Malfoy family. And then there was one other thing where you had to click ingredients in a particular order. But that was it. Some of the moments were, again, like Sorcerer’s Stone struggled with, so boring. There was no new material, no games, barely anything to collect. There were a couple of things to collect, but as we’ve spoken about before, you collect these things and it’s like, “Okay, what am I doing this for?”

Micah: Absolutely.

Andrew: Did you experience this too, Micah?

Micah: Yeah, that’s one of the major questions I think a lot of people have, is you’re collecting all these different ingredients or you’re collecting these books. You’re collecting these Frog cards, or Bertie Botts Every Flavor Beans. What is the purpose? What’s the end game for all that stuff that you’re collecting? Just to collect and have in your trunk? I don’t really understand it. So, I think that overall, because I don’t really care about technology and if wizards use it or not. It just lacked. People have been waiting so long to get into this book, especially the beta testers. I mean, you’re talking almost a year [laughs] at this point. So, I thought it was kind of underwhelming. I don’t want to be a downer in the sense that it wasn’t cool to get the backstory on the Malfoys, or to play those mini games. But like you said, I think there’s so much more from an informational standpoint that they could have done in those chapters, because every chapter is really broken down into three parts. And when you’re clicking through, and you’re zooming in and out, I just feel like there’s little pieces maybe that they could have thrown in. There’s information that’s there on characters and places and spells and things like that, but it’s not anything new to a person who has read the series. It’s just kind of – if Hedwig is there, this is who Hedwig is. And it’s nothing more, there’s no kind of backstory. So, I feel like there could be little pieces that are filled in more that would kind of complete it a little bit better, if that makes any sense.

Andrew: I agree. It’s something I think they’re always going to struggle with, because the whole concept of Pottermore I’m not sure is the best, something they can entirely fix. But look, I’m not going to sit here – I’m done putting down Pottermore, guys.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Andrew: We’ve done it for a year and that’s enough. [laughs]

Eric: No, I’m excited – I mean, on that note, if you’re – I think that the Muggles and technology piece will interest me. Anything from Jo will interest me. But…

Andrew: Why haven’t you done it yet, Eric?

Eric: I haven’t completed Book 1 yet, so I can’t.

Andrew: Oh. Yeah, that’s the other thing. Some people have been saying to me, like – I feel like Pottermore tech support sometimes. I get these @ replies at least once a day.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Like, “How do you do this?” And a lot of people have been asking, “Why can’t I get into Chamber of Secrets?” and that’s exactly why. You have to complete Sorcerer’s Stone first, and the problem is half the people have not completed Sorcerer’s Stone, because after they get Sorted, they’re just like, “Oh okay.”

Eric: That was me. And I had a con to attend, as we’ve said before. But again, on that positive note, I did want to say, since you said there were four highlights of the first four chapters of Goblet of Fire, that’s roughly…

Andrew: Chamber of Secrets.

Eric: Or Chamber of Secrets. That’s roughly one good thing per chapter. And there are two hundred chapters in the Harry Potter books. One hundred ninety-eight, actually. So, maybe there really will be…

Andrew: There is a lot they have to do.

Micah: Well…

Eric: Maybe…

Andrew: I see what you’re saying.

Eric: Yeah, I’m saying…

Micah: I think…

Eric: Well, in general, if there is one cool thing per chapter in Pottermore, it could still…

Micah: It wasn’t per chapter, though.

Andrew: Yeah, it wasn’t per chapter.

Eric: Well, it wasn’t per chapter but I’m saying if it evens out. The first four chapters of Chamber of Secrets, you find four cool things about it, then maybe Pottermore could still be a success once all the books are done.

Micah: And yeah, Andrew, I agree with what you said. I’m not going to sit here and downplay the site any more. I think it’s very easy to criticize, especially because we’re more than the average fan, so I think we’re expecting more going into it than what it was really created for, and that is for people who are experiencing it for the first time. I mean, you have such a wide range of individuals who are going to be logging on to the site. And a lot of them have read the series more than once, are passionate about it, they want the new information. But at the end of the day, it was designed for, in a lot of cases, a younger kid who is going through and is experiencing this, free of charge, for the first time. And so I guess you can’t really knock that too much. Just this last bit on Pottermore, I thought it was kind of interesting that Slytherin got early access to Chamber of Secrets. Anybody else?

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Why is that?

Micah: Well, because the heir of Slytherin opened the Chamber of Secrets.

Andrew: Ahhh.

Eric: You’re saying it was rigged?

Micah: I’m just saying.

Andrew: Hmmm.

Micah: But I will say, I did like how they were able to make the house points invisible, in a way, about a week or so before the House Cup was announced so that people couldn’t see who was in the lead. And obviously all the houses were really getting after it, and Slytherin came out the winner. And they did a cool job announcing, I thought, with all of the different banners. And I did say on Twitter, back on June 25th before anything was official, I thought that the house that won the House Cup was going to get early access. I wonder if they’ll continue to do that, moving forward.

Andrew: You’re right. Yeah, I mean, it’s cool. Some people were disappointed because it was only 24 hours advance notice. Or 24 hours…

Eric: And they didn’t give a date, too. So, they were like, “Yes, you’ll get…”

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: “…24 hours before everybody else, but we’re not going to tell you when it is.”

Micah: Twenty-four to only four chapters, by the way. [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Eric: Yeah. But…

Andrew: Okay…

Eric: What was I going to say? Oh yeah, the other funny thing about Slytherin winning the House Cup is that Slytherin had a long history of winning the House Cup every year until Harry came to Hogwarts. So, that was pretty cool.

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News: Deathly Hallows Ultimate Editions Announced


Micah: Another interesting piece of news: there was an announcement that the Ultimate Editions for Deathly Hallows: Parts 1 and 2 are going to be released. We don’t have an official date, but Amazon Germany listed October, generally, as a time where it’s going to be released there, so it’s possible that it’s released in the U.S. before. But a little bit of a suspect timing because you would expect that they would have been released before the Wizard’s Collection, and now the fact that they’re being made might deter some people from going out there and purchasing this Wizard’s Collection because it’s really a lot of the Ultimate Editions rolled into this collector’s set.

Andrew: Yeah, and one of the things they announced, actually, recently – we haven’t discussed either – is there’s a new one-on-one interview with J.K. Rowling and the series’ screenwriter Steve Kloves. And this is just like the one-on-one between Harry Potter and Dan Radcliffe. I don’t know when they shot this, but I am so excited because…

Micah: You mean J.K. Rowling?

Andrew: Huh?

Micah: You said Harry Potter and Dan Radcliffe. [laughs]

Andrew: Oh right.

Micah: Which would be an interesting conversation.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Andrew: That would be a very interesting conversation.

Eric: I imagine it being like Smeagol in Lord of the Rings, only it’s…

Andrew: I think this was around the same time as the Dan Radcliffe/J.K. Rowling one because…

Micah: It looks the same.

Andrew: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But it looks so good and there’s a little sample clip online they released already, where J.K. Rowling and Steve Kloves are talking about the trio and writing the trio, and they dive a little bit into Ron and how he grew. I just think this is fantastic because you have the book writer and the movie writer, one-on-one, no other interviewer. Amazing. I’m so excited for that.

Eric: The stories about those two first meeting, I think that David Heyman told even too, Jo was so nervous meeting Steve Kloves because here is this guy who is going to literally tear apart her writing and write his own stuff.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: But they connected instantly. So, that will be evident I think in this interview.

Micah: And he’s American, so that might have scared her even more.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Does it justify the $350 to $575 cost? I don’t know. But it will be interesting.


Announcement: LeakyCon 2012


Andrew: So, that is it for news. Just a quick reminder: again, we’re going to be at LeakyCon in Chicago, August 9th to the 12th. We’re going to be a live podcast which will be released. That will be our next – that will be Episode 256. And we will also be doing a meetup there. They’re calling it a signing, but it’s a meetup. And those are the two things – I think MuggleNet is also going to have a booth in the vendor room, right?

Eric: Yeah, yeah.

Andrew: And there’s going to be a lot of MuggleNet staff there.

Eric: Yeah. If not everybody, then most everybody.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: Micah has been working on the travel stuff [laughs] and it’s pretty intense.

Andrew: Cool. I’m looking forward to seeing everybody, and they can all throw apples at me.

Eric: Apples?

Micah: No.

Eric: Like MacBooks?

Andrew: Bananas? I don’t know. What do you throw at somebody you despise?

Eric: Oh, they don’t despise you.

Micah: Nobody despises you.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: I’m pretty sure we all have Hypable set to our homepage.

Andrew: Hey, listen, listen, I just hope there better be – if there is a MuggleNet party, I better damn well be invited.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: You’re hosting it, didn’t you know? [laughs]

Eric: Yeah, didn’t you? [laughs]

Andrew: Oh, I’m hosting the MuggleNet party? Oh. So anyway, that’s the main thing we wanted to just plug. That’s really the last thing coming up for us for the summer.

Eric: Yeah.


Pottermore Discussion: What Do We Want to Learn More About in Book 2?


Andrew: But the rest of the show, we’re going to talk more about Pottermore, and this is something we talked about on the first take of this episode but then it changed since we got the first few chapters. We want to talk about what we want to learn more about in Chamber of Secrets and we have a small list here to go through.

Eric: So, you say Pottermore currently ends at Flourish and Blotts?

Andrew: Chapter 4.

Eric: Is that the Flourish and Blotts chapter?

Micah: I believe so.

Eric: Yeah. I mean, I think it’s called…

Micah: Or it might not be…

Eric: …”Flourish and Blotts.”

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Oh okay. Yeah.

Andrew: I think that’s right. Yeah, it is called – it’s called “At Flourish and Blotts.”

Eric: Yes! Memory! Woo!

Andrew: So, there’s a couple of things we wanted – what we hope to see in Chamber of Secrets going forward. New material, specifically. The first person: Gilderoy Lockhart.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: And we actually…

Micah: The Harry Potter series’ metrosexual, I think we’ve called him in the past.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Andrew: Have we really? That’s fantastic.

Micah: I think we have, yeah, on an older episode, when we did a character analysis of him.

Andrew: That’s fantastic.

Eric: I think at one point he is described as having very effeminate hands or something, but that’s the only thing I can remember that has anything to do with why we would have mentioned that before.

Andrew: What would you like to hear about him in Pottermore? More of his stories of his actual travels, maybe a sample from a couple of his books?

Eric: Yeah, both! Both of the above. I want to know how he was able to – I mean, because really it’s not – it’s a conscious decision to steal somebody else’s work, and the only thing about him that’s real is that little bit that we get in the Harry Potter books. In Chamber of Secrets, when he’s about to wipe Harry’s memory clean. At the very, very, very end, where he’s like, “I wouldn’t have gotten anywhere if people didn’t think I’d actually done that stuff,” time to die, that kind of thing. That was so short, but the little bit of Lockhart that we got there was very scary, very evil, and I’d like to know more about that guy that we only – most of the time it’s this public facade. “Oh, you’ve got to help me sign my fan mail, Harry.” We need to know…

Micah: Well, I think he really believes that though, in a way. He’s very pompous in that sense, isn’t he?

Eric: Yeah, he’s just such an interesting character and really the – when he was revisited, many people – it’s easy to forget this. In St. Mungo’s, in Book 5, he does make an appearance. But it just seems like that wasn’t enough resolution. I still want to know more about that character. He’s just one of the several very well-written characters who only serves a purpose in one of the books, but stays with you forever. So, I want to know more about him.

Micah: Yeah, I think backstory, definitely. That’s what everybody wants, at the end of day. How did he come to be that type of an individual? What House was he in? What did he learn that allowed him to overpower such accomplished wizards…

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: …and be able to perform these Memory Charms? Certainly, some of them would have provided some level of resistance to what he was trying to do and then, like you were saying, Eric, what happened to him? Because we don’t hear anything about him after Order of the Phoenix. Did he just spend his life wandering around St. Mungo’s or did he recover part of his memory, all of his memory? What’s the deal?

Andrew: Another thing people are looking forward to or hoping for is Dobby, and even though we’re introduced to Dobby in the first four chapters of Chamber of Secrets, we do see him – like I mentioned earlier, there’s the artwork of Dobby but we don’t get any actual new material. I think there’s a small character page that has basic information but it’s all things we’ve already learned. So, when could we learn about Dobby?

Eric: [sighs] You know…

Micah: It may not be until Deathly Hallows, ultimately, because…

Andrew: Hmmm.

Micah: …I don’t know if you’re allowed, from an editorial standpoint, to put in things that haven’t occurred yet in the series. I think we touched on this on the episode that we recorded previously. Are you allowed to include that kind of information? Because you don’t want to give away the fact that a character is killed six books later or five books later.

Eric: Well, there are things they can say that don’t involve – prior to his death, [laughs] Dobby was this great elf. But it’ll just stink if that’s true, Micah. It’ll just stink seeing Dobby in Book 4 with S.P.E.W. and all these other books. He’s in it like every book. I don’t want to say he’s annoying, but to keep seeing him pop up and to not have any more backstory on him would be troublesome. However, we don’t even actually know that he belongs to the Malfoy family until the end of this book. So, what I would like to know more about regarding Dobby is what life was like for him at the Malfoy Manor, before he very obviously left, and I don’t think we’ll get that until the end of the book. But I do fully expect it at the end of this book because once it’s revealed that Dobby is the Malfoy’s house-elf, I think she could tell us a lot of stuff – again, without spoiling the fact of his fate of what happens in later books – because it’s all backstory, so it wouldn’t get in the way necessarily.

Micah: Yeah. No, that’s a good point.

Andrew: Tom Riddle’s diary. Now, this is something else that we’re introduced to in the first four chapters of the actual book…

Eric: Ooh.

Andrew: …but there’s really no mention of it. I think in this case, though, it is a little too early to be learning about Tom Riddle’s diary. Definitely…

Micah: Because it’s a Horcrux?

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Well, because it’s a Horcrux and because it plays a larger role later in the book, and maybe for spoiler purposes you don’t want to learn about this until Harry learns about it.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: So, maybe towards the end when he does realize – or maybe when it’s destroyed. Maybe that’s when J.K. Rowling will divulge a little bit more information about it.

Eric: I don’t want to sound sexist here, but I’ve always wondered why Tom Riddle, the darkest, evil-most wizard ever, kept a diary.

Andrew: Even the manliest of men have their own little…

Eric: Well, it is – it could be a journal, right? But that might just be something that kids that age – that British young men, strapping young lads did, was kept a journal. But it’s always been interesting to me because I just didn’t see him as much of an introvert. Well, maybe I did. Never mind.

Andrew: How about Aragog?

Eric: People hate Aragog.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, I don’t want to learn more about him. I don’t really care.

Eric: People really don’t like Aragog.

Andrew: Maybe some history about the Forbidden Forest or living in the Forbidden Forest. Maybe that would be interesting, but I’ve always just been turned off by Aragog. I’m scared just as much as Ron is of him.

Eric: Somebody said to me the other day, too, “My favorite part in Movie 6 is when the spider is dead.” I’m like, “That’s not even…”

Andrew: That’s your favorite part?

Eric: Yeah! “When the spider is dead, because then I can relax and sleep better at night.” And I’m like, “Well, okay.” They were like, “Yeah, the third, fourth, fifth movies I was all really uncomfortable because I thought the spider was going to come out, and then when it died I was like…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: …okay, thank God.” So, I don’t know. People really don’t like Aragog. Yeah, there’s not much to tell – I guess that’s…

Micah: Yeah, I think we got a lot of his story, right, in the book?

Eric: In the books, in the books. His story, as much as we need to know. Maybe I’d like to know why he just wants to eat Harry and Ron. “Goodbye, friends of Hagrid. We will not deny flesh when it comes so willingly into our forest,” what kind of made him an asshole like that. But he’s just an animal.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: He’s just an animal. He’s just got to – he’s a predator. Kind of got to go with that. I don’t think there’s a whole lot more we can learn about him. But I don’t know…

Micah: But don’t they eat bugs? They eat other bugs, why do they want to eat humans?

Eric: Well, the big bugs.

Andrew: Because they’re so tasty.

Eric: Do you know how many bugs they’d have to eat to make-up for what a human…

Micah: [laughs] That’s true.

Eric: …would give them?

Micah: They could capture a centaur or two.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: How about the next one, Moaning Myrtle and her death? Who wrote about it? Tell us why you want to see that. Who wrote this one down?

Eric: I must have written that one down. I want to see it because it’s a fascinating story. I want to know how – first of all, how Tom Riddle found the Chamber of Secrets, because Harry finds it because he has Moaning Myrtle, but I want to know how Tom found it the first time. How he could do that much research into his ancestor, Salazar Slytherin, and how he could actually locate it through the – via the tap in a girls’ bathroom. I want to know – that’s the story I want to know. So, Moaning Myrtle is included in that story, obviously, because she was in the wrong place. She happened to be in front of the entrance at the wrong time. But just in general, the greater story I want to know about is how young Voldemort found the Chamber and, I guess, what the repercussions of her death were, because that was a very serious time at Hogwarts when Myrtle died.

Micah: Yeah, and also this is the first time Voldemort, Tom Riddle, whatever you want to call him, creates a Horcrux. It’s the diary that is created into a Horcrux through Moaning Myrtle’s death. So, you get a little bit more backstory there would certainly, I think, be interesting. And also, how did the Basilisk get into the school initially? Because we’re assuming it’s the same Basilisk that’s attacking students in Chamber of Secrets that were attacking students back when Tom Riddle was in school. Was it always there? Did Slytherin put it there?

Eric: If you use the movies as a clue you see all the rat skulls, so it was just feeding on rats for presumedly the last thousand years since Salazar put it there.

Micah: Damn, that is one old snake.

Eric: That’s a lot of rats. But – sorry. Yeah, a lot of that backstory would be cool.

Andrew: Moving along here. Lost my spot in the doc.

Eric: It’s also really tough – sorry, it’s also really tough to create a basilisk. I think we’re given – somewhere it says in the books that you have to hatch a chicken egg beneath a frog or something, and that creates…

Andrew: Oh, that’s easy. I…

Eric: [laughs] Well, there are chickens and then there are toads both running around the Burrow all the time, so I think – there was some speculation early on that the Burrow would have a basilisk attack.

Andrew: How about the Sword of Gryffindor? I mean, that could potentially have a ton of history. How it was acquired, how Dumbledore acquired it, making the duplicate in Deathly Hallows, which means we probably won’t…

Eric: Yeah, it’s probably more of a Deathly Hallows thing.

Andrew: …hear about it for a while. Yeah.

Eric: I was surprised that it had so much backstory, because Harry and Griphook get into who really owns it, wizards or goblins and stuff. But that’s all Book 7, so I don’t know. Maybe more about the Sorting Hat, because the Sorting Hat makes a pretty big reappearance in a couple of scenes in Book 2.

Andrew: All right. And we’re rounding up the end of the list here. How about Fawkes? Fawkes I could see actually appearing in Chamber of Secrets. The history, maybe.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah, how did Dumbledore first come by him? Or how did Fawkes find Dumbledore?

Andrew: Yeah. Fawkes is one of my favorite creatures.

Eric: Yeah. He’s very majestic, and named after a criminal who tried to blow up Parliament, so that’s pretty cool.

Andrew: Ooh, I didn’t know that.

Eric: Well yeah, Guy Fawkes. Have you seen V for Vendetta?

Andrew: Oh right, got it. Yes, I have.

Eric: So, Guy Fawkes Day is a celebration that involves lots of fireworks, and then they burn Guy Fawkes’ effigy. But I assume that’s where the name comes from.

Micah: And how about just the overall creation of the Chamber of Secrets itself? How did Salazar Slytherin build this massive chamber with nobody else noticing? Or did the other founders notice what was going on but just kind of paid it no attention, just kind of the basement of Hogwarts? [laughs]

Eric: This is the thing, all of the founders seem almost superhuman in their ability to come together and construct a school. And I guess the movies created this – like a fifth character, the architect. But really, if you’re thinking about these wizards who are moving time and space to build this castle, I would love to hear more of a story about how they do that. Like you were saying, how does Salazar dig this tunnel for just his descendant to open, and how does he keep it secret from everybody else to the point where no one believes it exists?

Andrew: Maybe a new mini game where you get to dig the tunnel…

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Andrew: …and then you get to learn that way.

Eric: But only Slytherins! Only Slytherins get to do that.

Andrew: Right, right.

Micah: But that’s the thing, though. Did the founders build Hogwarts, or are there wizard and witch architects out there, or are there creatures that are particularly adept at building something like Hogwarts?

Eric: I think they got the house-elves to do it, just like in Egypt.

Micah: Right, so did Slytherin confound or pay off a group of witches and wizards to create the Chamber of Secrets kind of separate from what else was going on at Hogwarts when it was being built?

Eric: And then killed them all? Yeah, well I want to know who laid the first brick, right? I mean, that’s the real exciting thing, like this castle has been there for a thousand years. We know next to nothing about the people who founded it. So, I don’t know when the time is right, but maybe she’ll do this, maybe she’ll do – the founders will each have a series in Pottermore. Obviously, Ravenclaw doesn’t really appear until the very, very end, Deathly Hallows and the like. But Salazar Slytherin…

Micah: And Hufflepuff doesn’t appear at all.

Eric: And Hufflepuff not at all. She’ll have to work that in somehow. As a Pottermore-puff, I demand it. But I think Chamber of Secrets could very easily be a Salazar Slytherin backstory type of experience. And the time would be right for it. I don’t think there’s a better time to really delve into Salazar Slytherin than dealing with why he looks so much like a monkey at the end of this book.

Andrew: And then finally the Whomping Willow. That seems like – I mean, we’re coming up on that – if Chamber of Secrets releases the next batch of chapters in the next few weeks like they say, we have to learn something about that. I mean, how can you not?

Eric: Well, I think it’s more of a Book 3 thing if you’re going to really talk about it. The Whomping Willow – even though it’s…

Andrew: Oh, hiding? Right, I see what you’re saying.

Eric: Yeah, it’s introduced in Chamber of Secrets, it’s the brilliance of J.K.R.’s writing that she uses it again and it has a much bigger purpose than just stopping flying cars. So yeah, I think, just the way these moments go, “Oh! Da da da da, a diary. Da da da da, ran into a tree.” It’s not going to be important until the third book. I don’t think so. I mean, I could be totally wrong.

Andrew: Well, if you have any ideas about any of these items, or maybe one we did not bring up, feel free to visit MuggleCast.com, click on “Contact Us”, and let us know what you hope to see in Chamber of Secrets. And maybe, just maybe, we will talk about it on the next episode that we record at LeakyCon. Or if you’re going to LeakyCon, have your answer prepared, and just say it to us face to face. And if it’s bad, then we can laugh at you.

Micah: Yeah, I think when we got some Twitter responses for the last show, they were pretty consistent with a lot of what we just mentioned.


Muggle Mail: Pottermore Accessibility Issues


Andrew: They were, yeah. Let’s move on now to e-mails. This first one is from Leah, 22 of Sydney. She actually talks a little bit about Pottermore.

“Hi guys. In relation to the accessibility features Jim wrote in about last episode, I’ve been having somewhat less important but frustrating problems of my own with accessing Pottermore. My main computer device is actually an iPad as I’m on public transport a lot. I thought it would be amazing to go through Pottermore during my morning and evening commute to work but unfortunately as the site uses Flash I can’t access most of the content. Do you think it’s realistic to hope for a Pottermore app for iPad or a more compatible site? Love your work, guys.”

Thank you. I think in the future – Charlie Redmayne, the Pottermore CEO has said he wants Pottermore everywhere. He even said he wants it on seatbacks on the planes. You know you sit and you order your drink on the plane? He wants it there, too. So, I think it’s safe to say that eventually it will be on the iPad. But you’re right. I mean, they have to get over that Flash barrier, and lord knows how they’re going to do that, so it may actually take a while.

Micah: Yeah, and I know Jim, when he wrote into the last episode, was enquiring specifically about having some sort of visual impairment or being legally blind and having difficulty using the site. So, hopefully they’re able to figure that out within the next couple of weeks or months because there’s certainly a large group of people out there that are in Jim’s situation that would like to be using Pottermore just like everybody else.

Eric: I think Jim Dale should narrate Pottermore. What do you guys think?

Andrew: That would be awesome. [laughs] Micah, do you want to read the next e-mail? This is a prediction one. I love these.


Muggle Mail: Jamie’s Correct Prediction


Micah: The next e-mail comes from Betty Bae, 21, from Seoul, Korea, and she says:

“Dear MuggleCasters,

Hi! I’ve been listening again to the really early episodes starting from Episode 1, and on Episode 34, while talking about the school song, Jamie makes a comment about how the Weasley twins singing the school song to a funeral march and how it could be foreshadowing disaster for the Weasley family. He was actually spot on because Fred died. What do you guys think?

I love the show, I’ve been listening since single-digit episodes.”

Andrew: I love these kind of things where we see into the future.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: We make accurate predictions. By “we,” I mean Jamie and everybody else. Not me. Actually, I think I got one.

Eric: You got one. I think we all had at least one throughout the years. But I also love hearing from listeners who’ve been listening this long to us. And if only there were a straight shot from Korea to Chicago so she could be at LeakyCon, because we’re celebrating seven years.

Micah: Maybe she will be there. We don’t know.

Eric: Maybe. But regarding the Weasley twins, yeah that’s one of those things where in retrospect, you’re like, “Oh, I wonder if they put the nail in their own coffin by singing a funeral march version of the Hogwarts school song.”

Micah: [laughs] I think the fact that we theorized for ninety-nine episodes leading up to Deathly Hallows, if we didn’t get at least a few things right…

[Eric laughs]

Micah: …then we should just hang it up and try something else.

Eric: Now, occasionally we do get these e-mails though, and it’s like, “Hey, Ben said this,” or “Micah said this.” I mean, wasn’t one of our episodes titled “Micah Gets Results,” because you were right about Jo and Pottermore? Or Jo just in general responding to things in a timely fashion? So yeah, we had a lot of fun, those first hundred episodes, predicting what would happen.


Muggle Mail: Harry Potter Encyclopedia


Andrew: Next e-mail. Eric, do you want to read that one?

Eric: Comes from Jimmi from Virginia:

“So, if everything is released, then there isn’t going to be an encyclopedia. But what about those of us (I am not a gamer, I don’t have the time to do Pottermore) who don’t get the game because of whatever the reason (costs, etc.) or those of us who don’t use Pottermore for whatever reason (I already spend too much time online)? I want a physical book because I feel like sitting down and reading a book is worthwhile but a game or a website is not. Just my feelings! Thanks for the episodes, keep it up.”

So, this is somebody who really just doesn’t want to do a video game or a website, who wants a book. Is he S.O.L.? How do we do this? Because I guess the news comes – Jo keeps changing what she’s saying about whether or not there will ever be an encyclopedia. So, what do you guys think?

Andrew: My heartstrings just can’t take it anymore. I think there will still be an encyclopedia. It’s just going to be a while. I mean, we’ve kind of talked about this already. I just think that there will be one, but first J.K. Rowling wants to please her people. And that involves Sony, and branching off of that Pottermore, and now Book of Spells. So, it’s going to be a while unfortunately, and it sucks. But I’ve ranted about this before.

Eric: I think it comes down to how big a Harry Potter fan you are. I think it’s – in a way it’s fair to say if you’re not on Pottermore you’re not as big a Harry Potter fan as those who are. I mean, there’s different degrees of fans but I’m looking at myself – directly at myself – when I say this, and I haven’t completed Book 1 on Pottermore yet. And so, as a result – I mean, there’s information on there I know I will want to read and it is a matter of finding the time to do it. But ultimately if I am – I realize that if I’m ever going to read that stuff, I actually have to go online and do it. And so I’m going to make the time to do it.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: When the game comes out, if I have to maybe rent the equipment – the Book of Spells, the Wonderbook. If I have to rent it maybe as opposed to buying it, I’ll do that or maybe somebody will be aggregating it online where you can just read all the spell information, which would be a massive task but it would be the way I would read it. But ultimately, as a Harry Potter fan, I’m drawn to this information. And ultimately, I’m not saying I’m going to buy the game, but I’m going to find a way to make it work because I really do want to experience Potter in all these new ways. I think it’s actually exciting that they’re doing these new different ways other than books. Not to say I wouldn’t want a book, but it’s kind of like you have to accept that this is where J.K. Rowling is going with her new stuff. If you are at all interested in reading that stuff, you’re going to have to suck it up in a little way. What do you guys think?

Micah: I agree with you though to a certain extent because I think what is being said here by Jimmi is what a lot of people feel, and that is the content is being put in very select areas. So, if you don’t own a PS3 how are you going to enjoy a Book of Spells and get the new information on the spells that are going to be included in this game, right? And if you’re not somebody who’s very much interested in going online and doing Pottermore, how are you going to get the information that’s contained within Pottermore? So, I understand the need and the desire to have an actual book where you can go and get all this information. It’s kind of a one stop shop. And I think the reality, though, is that people got into reading because of Harry Potter and because of the story that was created by J.K. Rowling, and now it seems like everything is moving to digital. All the information is…

Andrew: Which is a shame.

Micah: …being put in a digital space. Because how many interviews has J.K. Rowling done where she’s said – one of the biggest things is that she hopes that because of writing these books that not only will people read and children read, but also move on to other books and other series as a result of that. So – but now you’re putting everything in a digital space, so…

Eric: Well, I guess there is a little bit of a difference between the game and Pottermore, which is that Pottermore is free. The game is going to cost you like $400. Nobody is denying that, okay? Pottermore, though, is free. Even though it’s in a digital space, it is still things that you can read presented in a pretty easy to find format.

Andrew: And people can access it at their libraries, et cetera. You can get onto a computer in most cases.

Micah: And it’s in other places.

Andrew: I know not everybody can. Yeah, right.

Micah: The sites like MuggleNet and Hypable and Leaky and so on and so forth, they’re all going to promote and push this content in different ways. So yeah, it’s out there. I’m sure there’s a wiki out there that lists everything that’s been released on Pottermore since it opened. So yeah, there is that, but it’s not the same. And I know, Andrew, [laughs] you’ve talked about this at times. It’s not the same as holding a physical book in your hands.

Andrew: Right, that’s the thing, and J.K. Rowling started with the book and that’s why we all loved her so much. It’s always been about the book, and now Sony is kind of – is dirtying her, if you will.


Muggle Mail: House Sortings


Andrew: Let’s move on now, next e-mail. Erica, 26, of Indiana:

“Hey MuggleCast! When I was sorted on Pottermore I was put into Hufflepuff. It seems right for me right now at 26, but the more I got to thinking about how I was sorted the more I thought Hufflepuff would not have been the right house for me at eleven years old when I would have actually been sorted at Hogwarts – I know my answers to some questions would have been different. So, a couple weeks ago I made another account…”

Illegal!

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: [continues]

“…and answered the questions like I would have as an eleven-year-old as best as I could. I was sorted into Gryffindor that time. It made sense to me because at eleven years old I would say I definitely had more characteristics for Gryffindor than any other house. Has anyone else done this or think they would have been sorted differently as an eleven-year-old child versus now? Would love to hear your thoughts on this!”

That’s an interesting question. I think it’s spot on because you really are a different person when you’re eleven years old. An entirely different person at eleven years old. So, I hope that the Sorting Hat – in the books, not so much on Pottermore because it’d be impossible – I hope that the Sorting Hat in the books actually, when it’s inside your head, is looking into your future, looking at who you are going to develop into.

Eric: Yeah. I mean, it’s just so weird because I didn’t even know about Harry Potter until I was thirteen. So, thinking of how much that one thing alone has changed me, I was or would’ve been or could’ve been a totally different person. So, I do think it changes. I do think what house you would be in changes a lot with the age and experience, how you would react. Maybe the Hat does know who you’ll be, but maybe not.

Micah: But the other thing is we’re all getting sorted at an age older than eleven. So, the house at that time that you’re determined to be in is as an eleven-year-old and it ultimately shapes who you become. So, none of us actually went through the process at eleven years old, went to Hogwarts, [laughs] and are now graduates and can say that, “Actually, today I’m more of this than that.” But I had a choice, I could either go into Ravenclaw or Slytherin. So, I wonder at eleven years old, would I have had the same choice? To sway the Sorting Hat one way or another? Or would I have been in a different house altogether? It’s a great question though.

Eric: It depends on if you liked the color green [laughs] when you were eleven, I think.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: I mean, that’s really what those things come down to when you’re that young, when you make choices. It can be simply because you like a certain color.


Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul


Andrew: We’re going to wrap up today with a quick Chicken Soup. This is from Sarah F., 27, of Wisconsin. She says:

“Hi MuggleCast. A while ago as I walked to and from classes in college you helped me survive the Wisconsin winters. Now you are helping me through another ‘winter’ in my life. I now get to spend my long drives to and from work, and my long days on the couch recovering from chemo with the help of MuggleCast. I’m catching up on the three-year break I had from you guys (life just got in the way of MuggleCast). But I think it was fate because I needed those episodes more now than I did then. Thanks for keeping me company!”

Well thank you, Sarah, and I hope your chemo continues to go well. And hey, lots of episodes – I noticed – somebody said to me last night, “I checked out of MuggleCast after Book 7 came out.” I was like, “Oh. Well, aren’t you something?” [laughs] But hey, now people like Sarah get to listen to a whole backlog of episodes. I mean, there’s a good – we just did the math earlier in the show. There’s a good 155 episodes since the release of Book 7.

Micah: Yeah, and it’s really kind of inspiring in a way to hear that we’re able to help you get through something as difficult as fighting cancer.

Andrew: Absolutely.

Micah: Obviously, we all hope you have a speedy recovery.

Eric: Yeah. What it comes down to is that we share in our passion for Harry. Harry is something so widespread that we all connect with, and we connect with each other because of it. So, we’re just really happy to hear that we can help.

Andrew: You can connect with us on the MuggleCast website.

Eric: Nice transition!

Andrew: Go to MuggleCast.com, you can click on “Contact Us” to e-mail in maybe a Chicken Soup, a thought about today’s show. Then also on the right side of the site, you can find our Twitter, Facebook and fan Tumblr, as well as our iTunes and a link to download the most recent episode. I want to do a quick plug for a new podcast on Hypable. It’s called The Rotoscopers and it’s a fan podcast all about animation films, so anything Disney does, Pixar does, Dreamworks – and the three hosts are absolutely fantastic. I have to say – [laughs] besides us, of course…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: …I think they are a fantastic threesome, if you will, in podcasting. So, check out The Rotoscopers if you love animation films – animated films. They talk about all of them, including – well, I’m sure this will be on an upcoming episode – there’s news that there’s going to be a Finding Nemo 2.

Eric: Ooh!

Andrew: Which I personally am very excited for.

Micah: I thought you found him once. How can you find him again?

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Well, this is a good point. Maybe it’s a prequel. I don’t know, that still wouldn’t make sense. I don’t know.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Maybe he’ll get a GPS this time.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Or a tracking device.

Micah: Yeah, and MuggleNet has two new – well, not really new anymore – Harry Potter podcasts that they’ve created. One is called Alohomora!, which is hosted by MuggleNet staff members Rosie, Kat, Noah and Caleb, and it’s really an in depth re-read – similar to, I guess in a way, our Chapter-by-Chapter where they go through the books of the series. It’s a global re-read, as they’ve called it, and it’s really interactive. They try to have a guest host on that’s a regular listener of the show to discuss the series with them. And if you’re one of those people that’s really analytical and likes to theorize, even long after the books have been out, definitely take a listen to Alohomora!. And then there’s MuggleNet Academia where MuggleNet staff member Keith Hawk sits down with the Hogwarts Professor John Granger and goes through a number of different topics in the Harry Potter world. Anything from linguistics and translations, to the role of the legal system in the Harry Potter films, so it’s much more of an academic twist on things but another good listen, for sure. So, check both of those out.

Andrew: Cool.

Micah: And you can get links to them on MuggleNet.com.

Eric: Micah, you…

Micah: And really quick…

Eric: Yeah?

Micah: Go ahead.

Eric: You had transcript news too?

Micah: Yeah, I was just going to plug this real quick because the team that we have here at MuggleCast, the transcription team, has done a really amazing job putting together transcripts for all of our episodes. Not just the 255, but the off ones that we’ve done at different conventions, and specials that we’ve done throughout, interviews that we’ve had with guests like David Heyman and David Yates, Oliver Phelps, Warwick Davis, the list goes on. So, I just want to take a quick moment to thank them. So, let me just thank them really quickly. Tracey, who leads up the entire team, has done an amazing job, as well as Arialle, Elise, Eric, Lakshmi, Laura, Laura, Mariam, Olivia, Shana, Aldrin, Alexandra, Caroline, Conrad, Desta, Dilara, Elly, Emily, Emily, Heather, Jean, Kristin, Kristina, Leah, Liam, Marissa, Maritza, Matt, Maxine, Niki, PJ, Rachel, Rachel, Shannon, Shelby, Siobhan – is that how you pronounce that? Do you know?

Andrew: That sounds about right.

Micah: Stephanie…

Andrew: Well, you just redefined it.

Micah:[laughs] Tara, Tim, Victoria, and that’s it.

Andrew: And Micah.

Micah: [laughs] No, no, I just put them up.

Eric: I think that’s pretty fitting that there’s 255 episodes of MuggleCast and…

Micah: [laughs] 255 transcribers.

Eric: …255 transcribers. [laughs]

Micah: And anyone I left off I do apologize, but I was just reading off the transcriber bio page.

Andrew: That’s everybody on the staff page.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Actually, I just have a new idea for a new podcast. Micah just reads names from a list.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Andrew: That was so fascinating to see him do that. It was so eloquent and yet crazy. I don’t know what I’m saying.

Micah: So…

Andrew: Hey, I – okay, go ahead.

Micah: But yeah, I do encourage everybody to check out this page. We feature these interviews that we’ve done with some of the cast and crew, as well as others from the Harry Potter films. And if you’re not entirely sure who they are by name, there’s photos up of them now, so you can just click on their photo and it takes you to the interview that they did with us over the years.

Andrew: Yeah, it’s a nice little feature. I have one more plug, I’m sorry.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: This just happens sometimes. I think I’ve talked before, I started a podcast about a year ago called HYPE – not to be confused with Hypable, but HYPE. It’s like a general BS, odd topics…

Micah: Don’t call it BS, you’re plugging it.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: No, no, no. We just talk about whatever. It’s a really loose…

Micah: I’ve been on the show.

Andrew: …uncensored, unedited show. So anyway, recently we started – and I know this is going to sound a bit foreign to some people, but we actually turned it into a subscription podcast whereby for $3.99 a month you’re getting four to five episodes a month, which is something we don’t do for any of the other podcasts. And these episodes usually last a good – I mean, lately they’ve been an hour fifteen, an hour and a half. So, if you are interested in hearing more from me and various other people involved – I would like to get Micah and Eric, you two, involved in the show in the future.

Micah: I’ve been on your show!

Andrew: Visit HypePodcast.com. It’s basically a general entertainment podcast, but we talk about world stories as well. We talk about various entertainment stories. The good thing about it being weekly is that we’re really on top of news as soon as it happens. We talk about a lot of stuff. I confess way too much on this show, and that isn’t a tease, it’s just the honest truth. But because it’s behind a paywall, I feel more comfortable with opening up. [laughs] Visit HypePodcast.com. You can listen to samples of the shows. We’ve released four so far under this new subscription service, and I think you’ll really like it. It’s a month to month thing so you can sign up for a month, and if you don’t like it, then you can cancel. You don’t need to commit to a certain amount of time. But I encourage you to check it out, HypePodcast.com. Anyway…

Micah: Yeah, I think it’s a great show.

Andrew: Hey thanks!

Micah: I was a guest – I don’t even know how long ago, at this point – but we were discussing Penn State, I remember.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: But that was back when the story was first breaking, so I guess it was probably either the fall or the winter of last year.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: But it is…

Andrew: And we had you on because you’re really up on sports.

Micah: Yeah, and it is just a kind of really laid back show, and you get to speak your mind and you certainly get people’s perspectives on different events that are going around the world.

Andrew: Yeah. One type of feedback we always get about it is, “Oh, it’s so nice to hear you guys talk outside of Harry Potter.” And people get really excited when we curse…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: …which is the strangest thing. And I don’t mean like overly cursing, but I guess it’s refreshing for people to hear the real us.

[Eric laughs]

[Show music begins]

Andrew: Not that this isn’t the real us on MuggleCast, but just – we talk about stuff outside of Harry Potter. That’s what those people like most.

[Eric coughs]

Andrew: Anyway, Eric is coughing which means…

Micah: That signals the end of the show.

Andrew: Yes. [laughs]

Eric: Oh no, please, I hope that none of these coughs make it into the episode. That’s terrible.

Andrew: Thanks everybody for listening. Our next episode will be 256 from LeakyCon 2012. It will be a fun live episode, which we haven’t had in about a year since the last LeakyCon. So, we will see everybody next time!

Eric: Bye!

Andrew: Buh-bye!

Micah: Bye!

[Show music continues]

Transcript #254

MuggleCast 254 Transcript


Show Intro


[“Hedwig’s Theme” plays]

Andrew: Because Eric needs to keep his clothes on, this is MuggleCast Episode 254 for June 9th, 2012.

[Show music begins]

Andrew: This week’s podcast is brought to you by Audible.com, the Internet’s leading provider of audiobooks, with more than 100,000 downloadable titles across all types of literature, including fiction, non-fiction, and periodicals. For a free audiobook of your choice, go to AudiblePodcast.com/MuggleCast.

[Show music continues]

Andrew: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 254. It is another exciting episode, we have some good stuff to talk about this week. One thing, actually, we forgot to bring up on the last episode – which was kind of embarrassing, it completely slipped our minds and yet it was pretty big news. So…

Eric: Pretty big. Big for Japan, kind of like Godzilla.

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: It’s out of this country.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Micah: Not Selina’s country – well, yeah, I guess it is.

Selina: It’s still my country. Not all of the countries are my country.

[Micah and Selina laugh]

Andrew: Wait, which story are we talking about? Tokyo? Wizarding World Tokyo?

Eric: Now I’m confused. That’s what I thought about.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s what I thought about until Micah said, “Selina’s country,” but Selina is not in…

Selina: Yeah, there’s going to be a Wizarding World in Denmark, that’s the big news.

[Andrew and Selina laugh]

Micah: Sweden!

Selina: No, yeah, Sweden. Whatever. [laughs] It’s not going to be there.

Eric: Wherever it is that Selina may or may not be from.

Micah: See, look, the good thing about always pretending that you’re from somewhere else is that listeners of the show can never track you down accurately.

Selina: Exactly, yes.

Andrew: Right. [laughs]

Eric: Except I have you on foursquare. [laughs]

Andrew: And with podcasting – the type of podcasting we do, it’s only audio, so you could pretend I’m a woman or…

Selina: Yeah. You’re not? [laughs]

Andrew: …I’m six foot five. Nobody would know the truth.

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: Ever.

Eric: Speaking of the show being only audio, is it weird that I always brush my teeth before we record a podcast?

Andrew: Do you really?

Selina: I appreciate this.

Eric: It’s a courtesy to you guys, basically.

Andrew: Well, I was going to say, maybe that’s a good idea because your mouth is clear, so when you’re speaking it’s free of any particles that may get in the way of your voice.

Eric: This episode of MuggleCast is minty fresh.

[Selina laughs]

Micah: Is brought to you by Crest.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Okay, well, we will get to the news in a moment. From Hypable.com, I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: From MuggleNet.com, I’m Eric Scull.

Micah: From MuggleNet.com, I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Selina: And from Hypable.com, I’m Selina Wilken.


News: Wizarding World of Harry Potter To Be Opened in Japan


Andrew: All right, Micah, actually do your job this week. Don’t skip any important news items.

Eric: Gosh!

Andrew: Tell us what is going on in the news. Actually, start with what we missed last week, and then we’ll get to the rest.

Micah: Last month is more like it.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Several weeks ago.

Andrew: Time flies.

Micah: Yeah, this story actually broke at the beginning of May, and…

Eric: [laughs] Wow!

Andrew: [laughs] Wow! Wow!

Eric: We don’t need any listeners’ help making us look bad, you know?

Andrew: Yeah. I had no idea it had been that long at this point.

Eric: Didn’t it happen the night before we recorded the last episode and we just forgot to sneak it in?

Andrew: Yeah. It was really soon, too.

Micah: See, the problem is that WB is just opening up so many theme parks that the next one and the next one just – they all run together.

[Selina laughs]

Micah: It doesn’t matter. It’s not any big news, is it? Okay, well, I guess it is because it’s the first international Harry Potter

Eric: Ooh!

Micah: …theme park that’s opening up in Osaka, Japan, and it’s slated to open in 2014. This was reported, like I said, at the beginning of May by the Los Angeles Times and later confirmed in a press release by Warner Bros. So…

Eric: Osaka, Japan.

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, I think – I guess the first question is was this the right place for – even though this is the third park announced, this is technically the second park opening because the funny thing is it’s opening up before Wizarding World Hollywood.

Eric: Interesting.

Andrew: Yeah. And that apparently is because at Wizarding World Hollywood they don’t have as much room to work with, so they have to clear a good amount of space first.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: And that’s going to add construction time.

Eric: Demolition first and then construction. Yeah, I got you.

Andrew: And they haven’t even started yet, despite the fact that it was announced in what, February? So…

Eric: Oh, really? They haven’t started yet?

Andrew: Well, because – we will talk about this story in a minute, but it’s actually going to be replacing the Gibson Amphitheater. They’re knocking that out.

Eric: Oh yeah, I saw those tweets at the MTV Movie Awards… [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …about that.

Selina: I think it’s a good thing that they’re bringing something like this to Japan, because – I mean, the U.K. already has the – I mean, it’s not the same thing but we already have the studio tour, and Asia needs something like that as well for the Asian fans that have to travel all the way to the U.S. I just feel like Australia should get something soon. They never get anything.

Eric: [laughs] Well, speaking of that, Selina, Australia had the exhibition…

Selina: That’s true.

Eric: …which is now in Singapore. So that’s – fortunately that’s making its way west. I know the first four stops were in North America, so again, a lot of people were upset. “Give us some international love…”

Selina: Mmm.

Eric: …that kind of thing. So now with the theme park opening in Japan, it’s more of a permanent fixture. I don’t know, I think it would be cool. But I’ve never been to Japan, so it might be a good reason to go.

Selina: It will be really popular, I think.

Eric: Yeah, it’ll be totally popular. I wonder how many rides they’ll have. I wonder how they’re going to design it.

Selina: That’s a good question.

Eric: Considering we know how the Florida park is laid out.

Andrew: I think they said it’s going to have the same attractions.

Eric: Ehhh.

Andrew: I mean, it could be laid out a bit differently, but I have to think that all these parks are probably going to be even laid out the same because when you walk through the grand entrance, you get that kind of perfect view of Hogsmeade and the castle in the background. It’s just like a really picture perfect kind of setting, so I think they would want to keep that for all of the parks. I imagine these are all going to look pretty similar.

Selina: But…

Eric: I think you’re right. Sorry, go ahead, Selina.

Selina: No, I was just going to say the question is if they’re going to try to make this one British as well, because I know – doesn’t the Orlando one – don’t they try to do British accents?

Andrew: Yes.

Selina: So are they going to try to make it an English-speaking park?

Andrew: Well…

[Eric laughs]

Selina: Or is it – do you think it’s…

Andrew: Well, the characters are British. Not all of the employees, but the Hogwarts conductor speaks in a British accent and he acts like a wizard. He doesn’t know anything about wizard technology – or Muggle technology. And the people who do the Beauxbatons and Durmstrang shows, they have British accents. But the rest…

Selina: Which is funny because they’re supposed to be French.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Andrew: Right. Or maybe they speak – no, they do speak with a – no, they don’t speak at all.

Eric: [laughs] They just dance.

Andrew: The Hogwarts students do.

Selina: Yeah.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Eric: Yeah. Well, the interesting thing is no matter how many times I go to the theme park I love it. But seeing that Tokyo, or thinking about Orlando – or sorry, California, Hollywood being laid out the same, I don’t like that as much as an idea. Because no matter how awesome Orlando is, and it’s totally the greatest thing for us as Harry Potter fans, as soon as that park opened I could have pointed out ten or fifteen things I would rather see or do on the next one.

Selina: Mhm.

Eric: And I’m sure I’m not the only fan there. But the fact that you can only explore Hogwarts as part of the line of the Forbidden Journey ride, no, I would open up a courtyard or something. I’d have you climb that mountain, go up a little bit more, something like that. Just as a sightseeing thing, having more areas not necessarily to shop, but just to hang out with even different views. I would just install that on my next park. I’m not saying they need to edit what’s already there, but if you’re talking about expanding, building more parks around the world, why wouldn’t you add a little touch of something that’s different?

Selina: Yeah, we don’t want ten clone parks.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, that is kind of boring. So…

Micah: Well, one of the questions to ask though is would the expansions that are being made in Orlando be included in what’s opening up in Japan, or is it just going to be the basic park that we’ve already experienced down in Florida?

Eric: I have a hard time believing the landscape is exactly the same. I mean, unless there is a Universal Studios Osaka with an Islands of Adventure Osaka, I don’t…

[Micah and Selina laugh]

Eric: I see what you’re saying with – you know what I’m saying.

Andrew: There’s not…

Eric: Will Diagon Alley open up into the theme park or what are they going to do? It’s a good question.

Andrew: I don’t think it will be the expansion that Orlando is going – you’re not going to see any parts of the expansion that Orlando is getting, because I think they still want Orlando to kind of be the supreme location.

Eric: More so than Hollywood?

Andrew: Yeah. Well, they’re – I mean, there’s definitely not going to be room there to do it, because – well, I mean first of all, they’ve already said it’s going to be just like the one in Orlando. They didn’t even hint at any relation to the expansion. But yeah, I just – I don’t think that’s going to happen.

Selina: I really want to go to one of these parks.

[Andrew and Selina laugh]

Eric: Oh, you’ve never been?

Selina: No.

Eric: I wonder…

Andrew: Well…

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Get one in Sweden!

Selina: Yeah, why not? [laughs]

Andrew: Or the U.K. What could be next, though? I mean, because you have to think eventually – I think they said in the Japan article, L.A. Times or somebody interviewed somebody in Universal and they said, “Well, we have three now. Now we’re definitely not thinking about other places to put it.”

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: For now. But what could be next? I mean, I would have to think U.K. The U.K. would have to be a priority now that they’re looking at a fourth park.

Eric: Hmm. Maybe Australia?

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Like somebody said. Just because it’s a big – it’s its own continent. What was I going to say? I think they’re going to start franchising out, to be honest, like Starbucks or 7-Eleven.

[Micah and Selina laugh]

Andrew: I hope not.

Eric: I’ll be able to open one in my backyard.

Selina: There’ll be one on every corner.

[Andrew and Selina laugh]

Eric: My little patch of grass, I wonder what ride we can put there. But I’ll have to think about it. But yeah, I just hope that they keep – I don’t know, are more parks a good thing or a bad thing? If there are – so there are going to be three in the world, does that detract from the value? Or what if there are four? What if there are five?

Selina: I mean, there are three Disneylands – or Disney Worlds. There’s one in…

Eric: Oh, there are, aren’t there?

Selina: Two in America, one in France.

Andrew: And Tokyo.

Eric: And there’s one in Tokyo?

Selina: I’ve only ever been to the French one.

Andrew: In Japan. There’s a Disney…

Selina: Oh, were there? Okay.

Andrew: …in Japan. Yeah.

Selina: And there’s…

Andrew: There may be a fifth.

Selina: …Legolands everywhere as well.

Andrew: Right.

Selina: The first one was in Denmark. Woo! Anyway…

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Andrew: I think they’re all going to be…

Micah: But you live in Sweden. [laughs]

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: I think they’re all going to be pretty special. I just think – and I think it doesn’t hurt any of the other parks. I think the only two that are – may kind of hurt each other are, of course, Orlando and Hollywood.

Selina: Mhm.

Andrew: Because they’re in the same country.

Eric: Well, now I think…

Micah: Well, they’re on different coasts.

Eric: Yeah, now that I think about it…

Andrew: They’re in different coasts, but let’s say you live in Seattle, you’re like, “Oh, I really want to go to Wizarding World.” And if Hollywood didn’t exist, you would absolutely be going to Orlando. You wouldn’t be sitting there saying, “Oh, I’m just going to wait for Hollywood to open.”

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Before it being announced, of course.

Micah: But one of the things, though, is that Orlando is sort of the resort mecca of the world, right? In terms of theme parks and other things like that.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: So maybe you do go to Orlando. I was just looking at the list here. We mentioned Hollywood, we mentioned Orlando, we mentioned Japan. Funny enough, the other location where there is a Universal Studios [laughs] is in Singapore where the Exhibition is right now.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: So that could be another future option for The Wizarding World. Taking a look now at the franchises – but that has actually nothing to do with the theme parks, that is more to do with the movies, so…

Andrew: I’ve been thinking about the expansion a lot because I’m really excited about it, and I realized that the reason they’re keeping it quiet for so long – I mean, come on. All of Jaws is knocked out at this point, it’s just dirt.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: They have to start building vertically really soon, it can’t be far off. I think they are doing it because they feel that as soon as they announce it, that’s going to hurt ticket sales for newcomers. Because everybody’s going to want to wait until the expansion opens up. Let’s say I have a family with three kids and I’m sitting here right now thinking I want to take them to The Wizarding World for the first time. If I heard there’s going to be an expansion, if I read this news article about this new expansion coming in, let’s say, 2015, I’m going to wait until 2015 for the expansion to open up.

Eric: Hmmm.

Andrew: So I think Universal is keeping it quiet for as long as they possibly can, and then they are going to announce it, because they don’t want to hurt ticket sales.

Selina: Mhm.

Andrew: I just wanted to point that out. That may be kind of obvious, but I just wanted to point it out.

Micah: But would you really wait three years?

Andrew: Yeah, definitely. A family with kids? They want to get their money’s worth. If they’re big Harry Potter fans…

Eric: Yeah, I get that.

Andrew: People do! I have people asking me – or people asking my mom, and then she asks me.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: “When is the expansion opening up? They want to wait until the expansion.”

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I was like, “I don’t know, sorry!”

Eric: Yeah. And the existing park is great, let’s not cast a negative light on it, but I can see exactly what you’re saying. I mean, people wanting to wait until the newest thing is up. Because if there’s going to be a crowd, if there’s going to be all this money that you spend taking your family…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …to the park…

Andrew: Right, it’s thousands of dollars!

Eric: Yeah, it is these days to travel with a family. So I see how that makes sense, and I see how that would sway the decision. I mean, we already know there will be an expansion. I guess what you’re saying is just the details surrounding it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Like how many rides, etc. will be added.

Andrew: And when it’s going to open, and – right, what rides, what’s this going to entail. All they have said – literally they have said, like, five words about it, that yes, they are planning an expansion but no time frame.

Eric: That’s exciting.

Andrew: But to wrap up this – yeah, it is. To wrap up this portion, I just want to say that it will be interesting to see the Tokyo park be built – or sorry, the Japan park be built – because there are lots of questions. Like Eric said, will it be laid out the same, or what differences will there be? So it will be very interesting, I’m looking forward to seeing the construction photos and whatnot.

Micah: Yeah, I’m interested also in the differences. I think there has to be something that makes each of these parks unique from the other, because there are going to be people who are going to travel and want to go to all of them if they can.

Andrew: Mhm. That’s true, that’s a good point. Yeah, we haven’t even seen concept art for these other parks. [laughs]

Eric: Maybe they’re just using the same concept art. [laughs]

Selina: Yeah. [laughs]

Andrew: I guess so. Because I remember when they announced The Wizarding World: Orlando, that was a huge announcement.

Selina: So many sketches and stuff, yeah.

Eric: The concept art for that was amazing.

Andrew: Yes.

Selina: Mhm.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: It was absolutely amazing. I still sometimes set that one concept art as my desktop. It’s got the family in front, and they go up the hill and there’s Hogwarts.

Andrew: Yeah, that is cool.

Eric: It’s cool.

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News: J.K. Rowling Has No Plans to Publish Harry Potter Encyclopedia


Andrew: What else is going on in the news?

Micah: On the last episode, we read this quote from J.K. Rowling’s new website at the time, and it said:

“For a long time I have been promising an encyclopedia of Harry’s world, and I have started work on this now – some of it forms the new content in Pottermore. It is likely to be a time-consuming job, but when finished I shall donate all royalties to charity.”

Andrew: Woo-hoo!

Micah: Now this was a pretty big news story, it broke in other forms of media, not just your average fan site. I mean, newspapers and other media outlets were picking it up, the fact that she was actually going to be writing an encyclopedia, that the proceeds were going to charity. Then, just a couple of weeks later, she updated her website again, and this quote that I just read was removed. In its place was:

“I have been enjoying sharing information about Harry’s world on Pottermore for free, and don’t have any firm plans to publish it in book form.”

Selina: Boo. [laughs]

Eric: Sorry!

Andrew: What?! What?!

Micah: So, bit of a flip-flopper.

Eric: What changed?

Selina: That is weird.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: What happened? Micah, you’ve got to catch that fish in that net. It’s flopping around.

Micah: Well…

Andrew: My theory is that they put out this little blurb, the initial blurb that said, “I am working on this now,” and obviously, like you said, Micah, it made national headlines all over the Internet, and I’m sure some television outlets and newspapers reported it, too, because it is big news. And I think they got a little scared. I think they were like, “Well, wait a second, wait a second, do we have firm plans about this? When are we going to release it?” And, as we’ll talk about in a bit, J.K. Rowling, in the meantime, has been busy releasing new material in other ways, in the form of Pottermore and a video game that we’ll talk about in a little bit. So, I think they may have been afraid to take the attention off of those as well. They want all the focus to be on Pottermore and Book of Spells right now.

Selina: Mhm.

Andrew: Not an impending encyclopedia. But it was a big flip-flop.

Selina: It was.

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: And it is sort of worrying because I think for most fans, at least – we enjoy Pottermore, we enjoy all these little re-releases of the books we’ve already read, but we want the encyclopedia.

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: At least I do.

Eric: I mean, she better put all that info into Pottermore then. [laughs]

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: Double or triple the size per book of content that Pottermore has.

Selina: But it’s not the same! Having to click from one thing to another and find a little feather, and it’s not…

Eric: I know, and you get cancer because you’re sitting in front of your computer for so long. I know, I know.

[Selina laughs]

Eric: It’s tough being us.

Selina: Well, I don’t know, I just want the tome. I feel like Hermione, I don’t know. [laughs]

Eric: I do want the tome. You’re right, you’re right.

Andrew: I’m saving my thoughts until we get to the video game discussion.

Micah: But if you read the words carefully, it says that she doesn’t have any plans to publish what’s on Pottermore in book form.

Selina: In book form, yeah. That’s true.

Micah: Not that she won’t do an encyclopedia. However, she does say in that other quote that some of the content from the encyclopedia that she was considering writing forms the new content in Pottermore. So it’s just – it’s frustrating, I think, for a lot of people because it did make such big news when that quote was found on her website and really pushed out there through all the major channels. But I wouldn’t understand, though, why she would still be hesitant to do this, because she talked about the proceeds benefiting charity.

Eric: The thing is, there are three pages on J.K. Rowling’s new site, it feels like. Maybe a hundred words to the whole site. [laughs] And to think that she didn’t choose the words that carefully, that she had to go and remove something that was on there, because there’s really – they removed everything, there’s not a lot on that site. The timeline, I think that’s about it. And the fact that they had to remove this and change this – I don’t know, I just want to know what’s going on. I want to know what her thought process is.

[Selina laughs]

Eric: I want to know more about The Casual Vacancy, and this is just confusing to me all around, now that there are – well, there was going to be an encyclopedia and now there’s not?

Selina: She’s really embracing these alternative outlets, isn’t she? With the e-books and Pottermore and our next news story and all that. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah, I think Sony has probably got her in handcuffs right now.

Selina: But surely not!

[Andrew sighs]

Selina: I mean, she’s J.K. Rowling. She rules the world. [laughs]

Andrew: Well, let’s talk about that.

Eric: Okay.

Andrew: Micah, please. I’m going to take a shot while you introduce this.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: I already took three.

[Eric and Selina laugh]


News: Sony Announces Wonderbook: Book of Spells


Micah: So you need to catch up. But earlier this week it was announced that Sony will publish a new book with Wonderbook technology that was presented at the E3 conference, which is a big video-gaming conference, and it’s going to be titled Harry Potter: Book of Spells, an interactive spellbook that will let the reader flip through the pages and learn spells from the magical world of Harry Potter.

Andrew: Hold on, you know what’s weird so far about this too? It’s not even called Harry Potter: Book of Spells. Technically, it’s called Wonderbook: Book of Spells.

Selina: Mhm.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: For some reason they don’t want to include “Harry Potter” in the title of this game. Anyway, go ahead.

Micah: Yeah, I guess that is a little weird.

Selina: Maybe they have some – with the Harry Potter branding, isn’t it E-something who’s been doing all the Harry Potter games? What is it called?

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: EA?

Andrew: Electronic Arts, EA.

Selina: Electronic Arts. So maybe they have some kind of patent on the name.

Andrew: No, it can’t be that. I think it’s that Harry Potter is not in the game.

Selina: Right, that makes more sense.

Eric: Hmm. Right, you don’t want to promise something that’s not…

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Well, the interesting thing – isn’t J.K. Rowling writing this game?

Andrew: Yeah. Well, yeah, go ahead, Micah. So tell us more about Book of Spells.

Micah: Sure. Well, while reading the story and seeing it unfold in front of you, you can use a Playstation Move to cast spells. Isn’t that exciting?

[Selina laughs]

Micah: So, I’m assuming that a lot of these components that they’re talking about for this particular game, you’d have to go out and purchase separately from anything that you would normally get with your Playstation 3.

Andrew: Right. You do not just need your Playstation 3 and the game itself. You need the Playstation 3, the Book of Spells game, the Playstation Move controller, the Playstation Eye – which is a camera – and the Playstation Wonderbook. So you need three Playstation devices, plus the Playstation, plus the game itself.

Selina: Do you guys remember back when Order of the Phoenix game was being released for the Wii and everyone was so excited about the new Wii technology that would allow you…

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: …to use your Wii controller as a wand, and then the game came out…

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: …and you were literally just shaking it…

[Andrew and Selina laugh]

Selina: …every way you could to get the stupid book to fly across the room? I’m sure the technology has moved since then, but I just almost could not get excited about having to move my Playstation whatever it was [laughs] around in a circle. I don’t know.

Andrew: Right. Well – and what happens is you lay this book, this new technology – they debuted the Wonderbook at E3, this was the big reveal. And you lay this book on the floor, and your Sony Eye camera is looking at the book on the floor, and so it takes that picture and puts it on your television screen, and then that book laying on the floor magically gets turned into a Harry Potter spellbook. And then you discover spells by practicing them, and you get to learn all this new history, and one example that they provided is how the Wingardium Leviosa spell is discovered. And I thought that was a great idea.

Selina: Mhm.

Andrew: I think that’s kind of classic J.K. Rowling information you could expect from her, something you would probably expect to see in Pottermore or in the encyclopedia, but nonetheless it’s in this video game. And I wrote a piece on Hypable, venting my frustration. I just got so worked up and it was, like, 11 o’clock and this came out of nowhere. 11 o’clock at night and I just started writing it, because I just can’t believe that – the other angle to this is that Sony announced this is the latest step in their partnership with J.K. Rowling. And what bothers me most is that J.K. Rowling is now releasing all this information the fans have been craving for for years in the encyclopedia, she’s decided to release it via Pottermore and now via Book of Spells, and who knows what else Sony and J.K. Rowling may come up with. And I just feel like it goes against everything that she’s sort of been about when all the Harry Potter books were coming out. We always liked Jo because they weren’t selling out. You had the books and the movies and you had some merchandise, and that was it. But now there’s this whole new level where you’re required to buy all this extra stuff, in the case of Book of Spells, to get this new J.K. Rowling material. And I just think it’s – I think it’s bad, and I feel like Sony has J.K. Rowling tied down in a way that – come on, does she really – did they actually go to her with this and she actually said, “This sounds great, I’m going to release new information through a video game”?

Eric: Through a video game book.

Andrew: I mean – yeah!

Eric: I’m not sold on the book format, to be honest. I need to…

Andrew: Yeah, this is stupid! [laughs]

Eric: I need to read – I need to look at the – I haven’t watched all the E3 footage and I haven’t watched this Wonderbook promo, but I’m not sold on this book idea. I don’t know. It’s making books cool, which could be cool.

Andrew: But you’re not even reading it like a book! Do you know what I mean? It’s just…

Eric: If you’re setting the book on the floor and your camera is looking at the floor, I don’t know how that’s exciting.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Eric: I don’t know at what point that got through the approval process. But I’m…

Andrew: It’s going to bomb.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: The Wonderbook technology is going to bomb.

Eric: Maybe this Book of Spells will be what keeps it afloat. I don’t know, it could be a really cool game.

Micah: No. It begs the question, though…

Andrew: Well, thank God they have this!

[Eric laughs]

Micah: What age range is it aiming for? Because people our age are not going to buy this.

Selina: That’s what I was thinking.

Andrew: Right, that’s the other thing. J.K. Rowling…

Eric: People our age are the only ones who can afford it!

Andrew: J.K. Rowling – again, they did it with Pottermore, we had talked about how they’ve been catering to kids with Pottermore because you couldn’t use your real name and all that, and this Book of Spells is another children’s thing!

Selina: You know…

Andrew: I don’t want to sit there with all my – with 350 dollars worth of PlayStation equipment…

Selina: Mhm.

Andrew: …and be flicking at the screen. I’m sure it’s not going to be perfect so it’s going to be frustrating to get this stuff to work. [sighs]

Selina: But you know, the thing though with J.K. Rowling over the past few years is that even though she’s all about – she clearly must know that we fans have grown up with the series. She is still so intent on appealing to children. I remember a few years ago she came to Denmark to accept the H.C. Andersen Prize, and this is just a random example but she – I went down to see her and I got to see her speak, but then she had this exclusive reading of her books that was only for children aged – I think it was eleven and under. And the interesting thing about that is that they don’t speak English in Denmark, so they were not able to understand what she was saying but they were the only ones allowed into her reading. It’s just that kind of logic that sort of seems to go through everything that she does these days, that she’s so intent on making these things for children, the Wonderbook, Pottermore. But then all this huge background information about the books, that’s something that we care about. So it doesn’t really correspond, you know?

Eric: I understand that point. I get that point. And like Andrew was saying, with the books, they were available to everyone, and [laughs] if a Harry Potter book isn’t published in your language, I don’t know where you live, because those books…

[Selina laughs]

Eric: Over time they’re available in all the countries, under 37 or more different languages. I don’t know where “37” came from, it just…

Selina: Even in Latin. [laughs]

Eric: Even in Latin which hasn’t been spoken in, like, 3,000 years. So, anyway, just the idea that you need a Playstation, you need the Move, the Eye, the cam, the book, the Wonderbook – Wonderbra, I almost said.

Andrew: Electricity, television…

Eric: Electricity and television, oh my God! They’re so demanding!

Andrew: [laughs] A chair.

[Selina laughs]

Eric: Nothing like candlelight…

Selina: Arms.

Andrew: Some Pepsi.

Eric: Harry Potter – yeah, okay.

Micah: It is contradictory, though, to what she said about the encyclopedia because the quote from that was, “I have been enjoying sharing information about Harry’s world on Pottermore for free.”

Selina: Mhm.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: But you could go out and spend 300 dollars on the PS3.

Eric: Yeah. I don’t know, this could be – I want to see more about Book of Spells before I make my final decision, but I think you guys are right. Because even something like Rock Band, where you have an entire set of instruments that comes with a thing – I just find that it sits around, and it takes up a lot of space, it costs a lot of money…

Andrew: Right.

Eric: …it’s a huge investment to get it going. And in the end, I’m not sure it’s worth it, because even if – say Book of Spells manages to interest me and I get the Wonderbook. There’s really not – I really don’t think there is going to be a second Wonderbook game that really interests me. I don’t want to be too negative here, but what could the second Wonderbook – I would have to get a lot of books, or a lot of games that are Wonderbook games, in order to justify getting the Wonderbook.

Selina: They could do some kind of Wonder-monster thing, like – I don’t know, you have to raise a bunch of monsters in Hagrid’s class.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Selina: Learn about them.

Eric: Well…

Andrew: See, this doesn’t – that wouldn’t even require the Wonderbook device.

Selina: I know.

Andrew: I mean, this technology is strange.

Eric: Monster Book of Monsters? Here’s the thing, that scene in Diagon Alley in Pottermore when you buy all the spellbooks and stuff – because they’re in your item or your cart and you need them in your cart before you can progress through a level, I assumed we could at least read a paragraph or two from each of those books, but we can’t. There are still so many parts of Pottermore that I wish were more in-depth, you know? More books, details and stuff. I don’t see why they’re resorting to this format. It could be cool but it could also not be cool, and I just think they should really focus on making Pottermore better. Like, has everybody moved on from – there was that eight or nine month hiatus between ‘Pottermore beta opening’ Book 1 and then ‘public opening’ Book 1, and they still haven’t gone back or changed much with Book 1. There’s still way many ways they can make it better. Why are they moving onto this game with this new technology, with this new stuff? I’m thinking Pottermore still needs some work, guys. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, they’re kind of taking away the attention of Pottermore.

Selina: At the same time though, just to sort of play devil’s advocate – because we’re being really negative, I just realized. [laughs]

Micah: Never. Never on this show are we negative.

Selina: [laughs] Yeah, never. But I guess a good thing, though, could be that even though Harry Potter has ended quite a few years ago now, new things still keep coming out. It’s not like Harry Potter is in the past…

Andrew: Yeah, that’s true.

Selina: …and J.K. Rowling has moved on. Even though there’s no more books coming out there are theme parks, there are websites, there are games, there are all these different things, and even though it might not be the encyclopedia that we want, I’m sure that it’s going – this whole interactive experience is getting new generations involved with Harry Potter

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: …and that is a positive thing.

Andrew: I still think that an encyclopedia will happen. I just think it’s disappointing that we’re seeing all this other stuff that includes material which could have been in the encyclopedia being released first.

Selina: Mhm. It’s kind of like spoilers, isn’t it? Like, spoilers for the encyclopedia?

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, the one saving grace – I could kind of imagine a behind-the-scenes situation happening where J.K. Rowling agreed that Wonderbook: Book of Spells has the exclusive on all this wand information – or this spell information – for, let’s say, a year or two. I’m sure Sony – because Sony wanted her to release some brand new stuff to make this more interesting, and she said, “Okay, I’ll do it, but this stuff is going to end up in an encyclopedia. But I’ll release it in 2015, so you guys have all this information just exclusively in this game for two or three years.”

Micah: That’s part of what I was going to talk about a little bit before we move on, is that you have to remember Sony is this multibillion dollar corporation that signed a deal with J.K. Rowling for Pottermore, and chances are there was probably something in that agreement that allowed for something like this Book of Spells.

Andrew: Right. They probably had this clause where they could creatively come up with new ideas and work together on the project.

Eric: Fortunately, it doesn’t seem like they’re just not caring about it. It does seem like – it’s at least an original idea. Obviously we’ll wait to see how the execution is, but it is a solid idea and for that I think we should give it credit. I guess I’m just feeling what Selina said about it being new content. J.K. Rowling could be like J.D. Salinger and go in a hole for sixty years until her death, and she didn’t.

Andrew: That’s true.

Eric: She’s still out there doing stuff. So, new content from J.K. Rowling, that’s a plus. Obviously the exclusivity of that content, how easy it’ll be for us to get it, and whether or not we’ll like it once we do, is our concerns here, but ultimately I’m glad that at least – if Sony is or has to be doing these things with Harry Potter, at least it’s – I don’t know, it is kind of a unique idea, and at least they keep trying that stuff.

Andrew: And the reason they – like you said, Micah, I think – Sony is a company, they’re here to make money. And they’ve got to compete with Wii, so this is kind of an original idea to kind of go at Wii. I mean, it’s certainly going after the kids, which Wii is so successful with. But I will also say some positives about Book of Spells. First of all, the new material makes it very cool. Second of all, the graphics look fantastic. It looks very – it kind of looks like it’s straight out of the movies, all the artwork. In the Wingardium Leviosa history scene, there’s this pop-up paper theater that you hold in your hands digitally. You hold up the Wonderbook and it appears on the television screen, and you see the history of Wingardium Leviosa being played out in your hands, basically. So that is cool. I personally just have been hoping for all this to be coming out in an encyclopedia, and to not require people to spend so much money on new J.K. Rowling material. Do as many Harry Potter video games as you want. It’s the original material that bothers me.

Eric: Man, with the Playstation Eye, I guess that means I’m going to have to start wearing clothing when I play my games.

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: Well, I don’t think it’s uploading pictures of you.

Eric: [laughs] No, but I would never trust it, you know what I’m saying? Just hanging around with my Wonderbook in my boxers or whatever, I’m not going to do that.

Andrew: Right. Well, the Playstation Eye may get confused as to which is the controller and which is – well, what else is in the news, Micah?

[Eric and Selina laugh]

MuggleCast 254 Transcript (continued)


News: Harry Potter Wins Two MTV Movie Awards


Micah: Well, that’s a great segue to MTV.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: [singing] “I want my MTV.”

Micah: So, the MTV Movie Awards took place over the weekend, and not surprisingly Potter did not so well. [laughs] So, they did walk away with…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Hang on! Hang on here because I thought that Potter – I thought we discussed this, and we thought it had a chance…

[Selina laughs]

Eric: …and the two categories that it actually won in…

Micah: Well, no, because the category – one of the categories didn’t even exist when we did our last show. [laughs] So…

Eric: Oh, geez. Okay.

Andrew: It was interesting that the movie awards – The Hunger Games actually ended up doing the best with four awards. Harry Potter won two.

Selina: It’s not really that interesting.

[Eric laughs]

Selina: Or it’s not really surprising, is it? [laughs]

Eric: Well, it’s freshest on everyone’s mind, right?

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: I think the good thing here is that the Potter fan sites all reminded people, “Go out, vote, make your vote count,” because ultimately it was down to the users. This awards show, we could affect change. So, Hunger Games is freshest on everyone’s mind, I think.

Selina: Mhm.

Eric: Out of the nominees, it was probably the most recent film.

Micah: Yup. That’s a good point.

Andrew: So why didn’t it win ‘Best Hero’? Harry Potter won ‘Best Hero’ by a landslide.

Eric: People don’t like Peeta, I guess. I don’t really know.

Andrew: No, no, Katniss was the nominee in ‘Best Hero’.

Eric: Katniss is a girl, dude. Sorry, she’s not the best hero.

Selina: Well, I think because Harry as a character…

Eric: As a character?

Selina: …probably has a lot more cred than the Potter films. Does that make sense?

Eric: Katniss is awesome, but I can see where…

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: If you’re talking about a category of ‘Best Hero’ and you’re talking about Harry Potter who’s just been around longer, I think that’s probably why. Also, maybe it was just people frustrated because Harry didn’t win anything at the Academy Awards.

Selina: [laughs] Yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Still, though, you’re talking about Harry Potter’s last or second to last – I think the Saturn Awards are later this month, but pretty much his last big chance at winning an award. I’m glad that he won ‘Best Hero’ but maybe that had something to do with it.

Micah: Yeah, so the other award that it picked up was ‘Best Cast’ and it beat out The Hunger Games there as well, but…

Andrew: Emma…

Micah: Go ahead.

Andrew: And Emma Watson was there and she accepted the award, and…

Eric: I’m glad they had somebody there.

Selina: [laughs] Yeah.

Andrew: Well, she was actually there for Perks of Being a Wallflower.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: And that trailer premiered, which actually – by the way, very, very, very good trailer.

Eric: Oh, I haven’t – I read it a long time ago and I haven’t seen the trailer yet, so I’ve got to look at that.

Andrew: Yeah, great book.

Micah: Now, just out of curiosity, how do you pronounce Voldemort’s name – the actor who plays him?

Andrew: Oh!

Selina: Ralph? [pronounced “Rafe”]

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: Is it Ralph Fiennes?

Andrew: She…

Micah: I thought it was Ralph Fiennes, right?

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: Ralph Fiennes.

Andrew: Yeah, me too. But then Emma said “Ralph”, right?

Selina: Oh.

Micah: Yeah. [laughs] So…

Eric: Wow.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: It must be her – she spent some months filming in America. I think that’s her American showing.

Andrew: It could be. Yeah, that’s funny, Micah. I thought the same exact thing when I heard her say it.

Eric: [laughs] Ralph.

Andrew: But her acceptance speech for ‘Best Cast’ was really good because she even thanked Dobby and another creature, Hedwig.

Eric: Oh, wow.

Andrew: And that was like “Aww.”

Selina: Aww, Hedwig. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, she was like, “There’s Harry, Dan, there’s Ron, there’s Rupert, and there’s Dobby and there’s Hedwig.”

Eric: [laughs] Oh, Hedwig. I wonder how much – if Hedwig was real at any point?

Andrew: But that’s it now, right? Are there any other awards show that could possibly recognize Harry Potter?

Eric: Yeah, I think the Saturn Awards.

Andrew: It’s been a year now.

Eric: Yeah, I’m going to look it up. I’m pretty sure the Saturn Awards, I’m looking that up now. But ‘Best Cast’ – this…

Selina: I’m still pissed about that ‘Best Kiss’ one. [laughs]

Eric: This one we did talk about – nope, Saturn happened in February. Jupiter Awards? [laughs] No, I’m just throwing awards…

Selina: Pluto Awards? [laughs]

Andrew: How about the Pluto? Thank goodness, I can’t take this pressure anymore.

Eric: Yeah. We talked about ‘Best Cast’, though. We did think that that was the film that was nominated…

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: …that had the best chance, because you’re not going to beat all of those British actors that came out, the entire cast. Not even for Deathly Hallows – Part 2, but yes for Deathly Hallows – Part 2, just throughout the years. Hunger Games, great movie and good cast, but it just doesn’t hold a candle to Harry Potter when you’re talking about the whole group.

Selina: Mhm. Yeah.

Micah: I mean, obviously when they say “cast” they mean the entire cast, but they only mentioned a few. I think sort of the main younger actors, but really I thought it could have been more impactful had they included some of the adult actors in that category as well.

Eric: The interesting thing is that when you’re voting for these awards, your interpretation of what that category means is different from – an awards show can only list maybe three or four people because they have to read under each award, because they have to read those on the air, who this means. But if you’re talking about ‘Best Cast’ that means everybody, and I think everybody who voted accordingly, they didn’t – or otherwise it would have just said ‘Best Main Character’ which is another category, right? So…

Micah: But you know what bothered me? And it probably shouldn’t because this is just the MTV Movie Awards. [laughs]

Eric: Whoa.

Micah: Is that you saw The Hunger Games win a lot, but then it got to ‘Movie of the Year’ and it was the Twilight film.

Andrew: Breaking Dawn: Part 1.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Don’t act like you don’t know the title.

[Eric laughs]

Selina: That movie with vampires. [laughs]

Micah: I’ve never seen the movies and I’ve never read the books.

Eric: You know what? I thought that movie – sidetrack, I thought that movie was actually pretty good.

Andrew: Well, we know who voted. You, clearly.

Micah: Over and over and over again.

Selina: I just…

Andrew: That was odd. That was odd because Harry Potter and Twilight

Micah: No, but you see what I’m saying from a continuity standpoint.

Andrew: Right.

Selina: I just think it was odd.

Micah: You would have expected The Hunger Games to win.

Selina: Yeah, exactly.

Andrew: Right. That would have made perfect sense.

Selina: Because they are sort of the strongest fanbase at the moment. But I suppose in a way – could it make sense that maybe The Hunger Games and Harry Potter fans sort of split the vote? I know that all three kind of overlap, but…

Eric: Yeah, I think maybe the Breaking Dawn people thought – the Breaking Dawn troop, Twilight troop…

Selina: Right.

Eric: …thought that they had the best chance under that one award, because you’re talking about ‘Best Hero’ – sorry, Bella Swan doesn’t really cut it, and some of the other cast. Just in terms of all the other awards, I think maybe they all saw and united under one award. Not like I saw tweets about it saying, “Oh, only vote for – get Breaking Dawn in there,” but you’re right. But I think maybe they just all realized that that was kind of – their way to make their mark was for ‘Best Film’. I guess it is interesting.

Micah: One of the big things this year…

Andrew: Well, it was truly the Harry Potter/Twilight/Hunger Games awards because every single award that they presented on stage either went to Harry Potter, Twilight or The Hunger Games.

Eric: That is funny.

Selina: This is the only year where all three major franchises would…

Eric: Oh, yeah.

Andrew: Yes. That’s why it was so exciting, and yet it wasn’t exciting at all.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: What I was going to ask, though, is I thought that there was a lot of news about the fact that Twilight hadn’t been nominated in a lot of the categories that it usually was. In fact, their nominations were cut down, so their chance of winning actually wasn’t as high as it has been in years past.

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: Hmm.

Andrew: Yeah, because they’ve been winning non-stop for the past few years, so…

Micah: Yeah, might as well not even host the awards.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: Just give them out to Twilight every single year.

Andrew: But you know what? Truth be told, Harry Potter won all the awards because that Gibson Amphitheater is being torn down and Hogwarts is going to be sitting on top of it.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Andrew: So take that, Twilight! Take that, Hunger Games!

Selina: Wow.

Eric: The last laugh goes to Harry.

Selina: I love that.

Andrew: Harry Potter has pwned them.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Cedric is just sold out.

Eric: [laughs] I just pwned them? He’s pwned them.

Andrew: I just wish there was a commercial at the end that said, “Coming to this exact location…”

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: “…in three years: freaking Hogwarts!”

Selina: [laughs] They’d have a graphic of – yeah, all of the people in the audience being crushed by a massive Hogwarts falling…

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: All those…

Andrew: The Twilight cast gets bulldozed over because…

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Andrew: …they’re starting to clear the amphitheater for the park. [laughs] “I’m sorry, we started an hour too early! Thought the show was over!”

Selina: [laughs] Oh no, this is so inappropriate.

Andrew: It was the last – was it ‘Best Movie’? That was the last award, they could have done that.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Andrew: A bulldozer could have came in and knocked them over, and they could have started laying down some Hogwarts bricks.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Micah: Yeah, I mean, all those guys’ and girls’ acting careers are over anyway, after being in Twilight, so…

Andrew and Eric: Oh!

Andrew: Come on.

Eric: Oh man.

Selina: Aww.

Andrew: That’s below the belt.

Eric: [laughs] Oh.

Micah: It’s a joke, come on.

Andrew: Maybe they could work at the theme park.

Micah: [laughs] Exactly!

Eric: I’d suggest we move on but I’m not entirely done laughing yet.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: Says the person who liked Breaking Dawn.

Eric: Okay.

Micah: Cedric could work in the theme park. He knows all about Harry Potter.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: No? Enough.


Announcement: Ascendio 2012 & LeakyCon 2012


Andrew: Okay, well that’s it for the news this week. We don’t have a new theme park to look forward to this summer, but we do have LeakyCon and Ascendio, two Harry Potter conferences happening this summer. First up is Ascendio, happening in Orlando. That will be taking place July…

Eric: 12th…

Micah: 12th.

Eric: …through the 15th.

Andrew: 12th to the 15th.

Eric: Yup!

Andrew: [laughs] At the Portofino Bay Hotel, that’s on the Universal property. They’re going to be having a private party in the park. That is an extra ticket, just FYI, but when you go to register on HP2012.org, you can learn all about all the extras that you can buy. And MuggleCast will be there. No word yet on what day and time exactly what’s happening, but…

Eric: Oh, we’ve got to have a talk about that. [laughs] We can – hmm, excuse me. Yeah, to be announced. We’ll discuss that.

Andrew: And then a month later…

Eric: Woot!

Selina: Yay!

Andrew: …almost exactly a month later, is LeakyCon 2012, taking place August 9th until the 12th in Chicago, and we will also be there.

Eric: This, ladies and gents, listeners, boys and girls of all ages – MuggleCast is going to be celebrating our seventh birthday…

Selina: Wow!

Eric: …during LeakyCon week.

Selina: The magic number.

Eric: This is – I cannot say – yes, seven. Isn’t seven the most magically powerful number?

Selina: [laughs] Something about that, yeah.

Eric: Yes. Yes, it is. So, anyway, just throwing that out there. We don’t know what we’re doing yet, but it’ll be cool.

Andrew: Maybe we should get stickers printed up, like “Celebrating seven years” or something.

[Selina laughs]

Eric: The number seven? What would be really cool is if we could get all seven original hosts to go out. So pick up Laura, Jamie…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: …Ben – what’s Ben doing? Kevin Steck, bring him back. And get all of us there.

Andrew: You could probably talk Kevin into going. I feel like he would…

Eric: I could probably – I’ll give him a call.

Andrew: He’s doing well, he could come out. So yeah, so that is August 9th to the 12th. You go to LeakyCon.com for information about LeakyCon, you go to HP2012.org for information about Ascendio. And we’ll see you at one or the other, or maybe both.

Eric: Ooh.


Listener Tweets: Future Release of Harry Potter Encyclopedia


Andrew: Or maybe both. Okay, so now we have a Twitter question of the week. We asked to those who follow us on Twitter, Twitter.com/MuggleCast – we said:

“With all that has been said and announced by JKR recently, when do you predict an encyclopedia may be released?”

We’ve talked about all this conflicting info, and now there’s Book of Spells with new info, so we want to know when you think it realistically will be out. YESENIAORTA…

Micah: [laughs] What?

Andrew: …says:

“At least another two years until its release.”

cassiesavini says:

“I thought it was all going on Pottermore and there wasn’t going to be a book? If not, not until Pottermore is completely done.”

Uh-oh, that could be years away. That could be four or five years, for all we know. dakotah109 said:

“Not very hopeful it will be anytime soon, unfortunately.”

Catapiee says:

“I’m guessing not for a few years, based on her recent statement about it and that she is giving info for free on Pottermore. :(“

TDADC said:

“Honestly, I don’t see it happening anymore.”

[laughs] That’s a bold statement.

“My hype has gone down the drain. Guess digital world (Sony) is Jo’s new fav. #bummer”

This user is also giving the middle finger in his profile picture, so he’s naturally a very negative guy. Ceilidh Brennan said:

“Even though I’d love there to be one, I have a feeling we’re never going to get a physical book, which is really disappointing.”

Here’s another surprising comment. Alissa_V says:

“I’m not convinced she’ll ever write it, at least not in a traditional format with all extra material compiled in one book.”

Eric, Micah, Selina, everybody thinks – a lot of people think this is the end.

Eric and Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: No encyclopedia.

Eric: This is the end.

Selina: I’m kind of with them. Yeah.

Andrew: Really? Why, Selina, why?

Selina: Because I…

Andrew: Don’t say it’s so.

Selina: [laughs] Because I just – all this information that’s being released…

Micah: What do you know?

Selina: [laughs] I have secrets.

Micah: What have you heard in that country of yours over there?

Selina: [laughs] All of this information that’s being released online, and through games and what have you, I just think the more information is released in other ways, the less likely it is that we’re ever going to get an official handwritten – not handwritten, [laughs] that would be too much, but an official written…

[Andrew laughs]

Selina: …encyclopedia by J.K. Rowling where she gathers all this and she took all this stuff that she’s already published everywhere else. Because the great thing about the encyclopedia was supposed to be that she – we got all this new information about all the characters, all the backstory, but if that’s already been released, that’s not going to be – I don’t know. But then again, she will be doing it for charity – I don’t know. Andrew, you can convince me otherwise, because I want to believe. [laughs]

Andrew: I think she’s said so much at this point about an encyclopedia happening, it has to happen.

Eric: Yeah, possibly.

Selina: Okay, that’s a fair argument. [laughs]

Andrew: I mean, there’s no way she started working on it and then what, she changed her mind?

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: She started working on it – let’s say a few months ago, even though it may have been a year or two ago for all we know.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Even though – in that message on her site, she said, “I have started work on this now,” implying that it just got started. So what, she just started working on it and then changed her mind? No way.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: No way.

Eric: Well, it did sound like that though. That’s what I thought. I was like, “Maybe it’s not going as smoothly as she hoped. Oh well, there goes that idea.”

Andrew: Well, it hit a bump in the road when Sony came knocking and said, [in a snobby voice] “Uhhh, don’t tease the encyclopedia, we need to tease Book of Spells and Pottermore.”

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Selina: Maybe.

Eric: That could be it.

Selina: That could be it.

Andrew: [in a snobby voice] “You’re taking attention away from our deal with you.”

Eric: That’s how Sony sounds to you?

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Selina: The voice of Sony.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Selina: Sony. But, yeah, no…

Eric: I love your voices.

Selina: I think that because she has been doing all this stuff with Casual Vacancy and whatever else she’s writing, I’m sure this is just a way for her to say, “Okay, well, it might not be in the next two years. It might be in five, even ten years.” But…

Eric: Speaking of, guys, where is The Casual Vacancy book cover? Come on! How many pages is it going to be?

Selina: [laughs] It’s just going to be Jo’s face.

Eric: Where are the…

Andrew: Oh, I love sitting in anticipation.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: She can take her time with that.

Eric: Really?

Andrew: I’m looking – well, yeah, but I would bet – I’ll guess next month.

Selina: You know what? I think…

Eric: Really? With a – September 27th, is it? 29th release date? When will the cover have to be completed for that? Not to change the subject, but…

Micah: Ask Little, Brown, I don’t know.

Eric: Okay.

[Micah laughs]

Selina: I think it’s going to be something like a door, or something like that on the cover. I don’t know.

Andrew: Yeah, it’s going to be boring.

Selina: Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: It’s not going to be interesting.

Selina: That’s the thing with The Casual Vacancy, is that I don’t know if she intentionally chose the most boring title imaginable, but it’s just – [laughs] I wish it had a more exciting name, I don’t know.

Eric: Is J.K. Rowling trying to be boring? As if, as if she could.

Selina: I don’t know! [laughs]

Andrew: No, but I really think – there’s not going to be anything to the cover, it’s not like we’re going to be able to analyze it much.

Selina: Mhm.

Andrew: We don’t know the characters, we don’t know anything about it. We’re not going to be able to be like, “Oh wait, is that Harry in the background? Is that Sirius in the background?”

Selina: Or maybe we will. [laughs]

Eric: Well, our track record is not that great either, because [laughs] remember when we analyzed Book 7 and they were in, like, a colosseum and it was…

Andrew: Hey, we got some things right over the years!

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Give us credit.

Eric: It did look like a colosseum, I’m just going to say that. But…

Andrew: Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I’m excited for the cover, don’t get me wrong. I just think we’re not going to be able to – and it will be very exciting to see it, [laughs] there just won’t be much to discuss. Because also remember, it’s an adult book and traditionally, I think those have pretty simple covers.

Eric: Yeah, usually focusing on one object, like a typewriter with blood on it.

Andrew: Right. Or even look at The Hunger Games. I mean, those have just a simple…

Eric: It’s the mockingjay.

Andrew: I mean, they’re representative of a lot.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Right, but it is simple. Of course we’ll analyze it no matter what.

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: I was going to say that. [laughs]

Andrew: It could be a trash can and we’ll pick it apart.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: This is where the encyclopedia went!

Micah: But was there much anticipation for the original Hunger Games? Didn’t it kind of take off on its own? I feel like there’s a lot more anticipation because J.K. Rowling is a known author, and having written Harry Potter, then anything on the cover is going to be analyzed and…

Andrew: Definitely, definitely. And that’s why I think there’s going to be midnight release parties for the book because people want to recapture that spirit.

Eric: That’s what I do want to organize, or see organized. I want to get that e-mail – I almost said from Borders. I do want an e-mail from Borders, I’m still waiting for another one – but Barnes and Noble, saying, “Hey, come party with us, we’re going to do some Casual Vacancy stuff.” I mean, it’s never too soon to…

Andrew: I’m going to one!

Eric: I’m going to plan my – you’re going? So is that set up? You already…

Andrew: No, no, but of course I’ll go to one.

Eric: Oh, yeah.

Andrew: I don’t care where it is. I’ll find one and I’ll go. I don’t want to out somebody, but somebody prominent in the Harry Potter fandom said that they are not – they don’t want a midnight release party.

Eric: Oh, wow.

Selina: But why?

Andrew: I thought, “You are nuts!” I – but yeah, midnight party, count me in. I’ll make my own midnight party if people aren’t – if bookstores don’t have them. [laughs] I’ll sell my own. I’ll buy a crate of Casual Vacancies and I’ll [unintelligible] to my apartment.

Eric: [laughs] I was going to say, Walmart will be the only bookstore still open at midnight if everybody doesn’t decide to do them.

Andrew: Yeah. Or you know what? This is what anybody could do at home: Have an e-book midnight release party. Everybody come over with their pajamas and their e-reader…

Eric: Oh no!

Selina: Oh my God, that’s just sad.

Andrew: …and at the same time…

Eric: A slumber – wait, do e-books…

Andrew: Everybody hit refresh at the same time and get their purchase at midnight.

Eric: Does that work? Do e-books become available at midnight?

Andrew: Yeah!

Eric: Crazy.

Andrew: Yeah. Just like with iTunes when an album is released.

Eric: Oh, yeah? Midnight. I’ve never bought – I’ve never waited for an album on iTunes, that’s why I don’t know. But okay.

Andrew: Well, there you go. Yeah, I think it’ll happen. And the advantage there is, actually, that if you’re on the West Coast, you can get it at 9 PM.

Eric: Ooh.

Andrew: So you get it a little early.

Eric: Yeah.

MuggleCast 254 Transcript (continued)


Muggle Mail: McGonagall’s Backstory, Hatstalls


Andrew: Let’s move on to e-mails now. Go ahead, somebody read the first one while my dog is barking.

Eric: This one comes from Caitlin, Georgia. This is in response to our Pottermore discussion – either last week or the week before, they do tend to blend together – about McGonagall’s backstory. Caitlin writes:

“McGonagall’s backstory kind of reminds me of Tom Riddle’s, especially the part about her parents where her mother was a witch and her father was a Muggle. The main reason Tom became Voldemort was because of his father, wasn’t it? His father abandoned his mother because of her magic. The only difference was that McGonagall’s parents didn’t leave each other.

Another thing about a Hatstall: I thought Neville was a Hatstall or maybe I read about someone else on Pottermore. I really like the backstories, though. They’re very informative.”

Selina: Neville was not a Hatstall, but he was close.

Eric: We covered this, didn’t we? Hermione – it’s a question of whether or not – the hat can take a long time to decide you, and still not – or even wonder if you wouldn’t be better in another house, but it’s not a Hatstall.

Selina: Yeah.

Micah: There’s – further down, from Sarah, 17, of California, she says:

“Hey guys, so in your Episode 253 you were discussing who were Hatstalls. You mentioned Harry, however on Pottermore they do say that Hermione and Neville were the two that came closest to being Hatstalls in Harry’s year.”

And she quotes specifically from Pottermore.

“Love the show. Keep it coming!”

Selina: It is a bit confusing though because – I mean, even with McGonagall and Flitwick, the hat did eventually decide. Or did they decide?

Eric: No, the hat decided.

Selina: Yeah. So how is that different?

Eric: Yeah, the hat decided. Right, I wonder how that is different. You’re right. Well, I guess timing-wise, right? If it makes its decision within three minutes or five minutes or something like that.

Selina: [laughs] Maybe. Three minutes or less, our Hatstall guarantee!

Eric: I think I read that, yeah. Well – okay, so then with McGonagall and Tom Riddle, interesting parallel, and I just think that people’s parenting really influences who they become. I think the thing with Tom though, with young Voldemort, is that he was an orphan and so he did – his mother died giving birth to him. He did blame his father for his mother’s death and for not being around and the fact that he was obviously not magical. That kind of thing just kind of fuels his hatred, whereas McGonagall – she just had a lot of regret because her parents, even though they were still together – and I think that makes all the difference – there wasn’t much love there after – there just wasn’t trust. So you just see how that influenced both of those characters throughout their lives. Fortunately, McGonagall still held really strong values. And I think that was what the difference is, is that McGonagall had her biological parents stick it out through tough times whereas Tom didn’t have any parents. He just had a shoddy, old orphanage.

Selina: Also, he was evil.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Eric: Well, did the book ever answer that? Did you feel that way, Selina, whether or not he was born evil or made evil by his surroundings?

Selina: I feel like a lot of kids grew up in orphanages without growing up to be killers and horrible people. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: I think he was definitely evil.

Eric: Okay.


Muggle Mail: Draco Malfoy’s Real Father


Andrew: Next e-mail is from Caroline, 13, of Virginia. She says:

“Hi MuggleCasters! Love the show. Anyway, while I was re-reading ‘Half Blood Prince’ – U.S. softcover, by the way – I noticed something kind of odd. On page 114, Narcissa is talking to Draco about his father but uses a first name. Do you think that it is possible that Lucius isn’t Draco’s father after all? Not to say that Draco is Dobby’s son, like in ‘A Very Potter Musical’ or anything, but I really do think this is plausible. What do you think?”

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: I don’t get it. What does…

Eric: [laughs] It’s plausible that Dobby is Draco’s father?

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: No.

Selina: Is this the encyclopedia, really?

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I don’t understand what this has to do with Dobby though.

Eric: Well, she’s just saying – okay, so in the Harry Potter books Narcissa, in one scene, is talking to Draco and says, “Your father this or that,” but because she doesn’t say Lucius by name…

Selina: I don’t know. I mean…

Eric: …then doesn’t that mean that he has a different father.

Selina: How many silvery-blond pureblood wizards are there, really?

Eric: Hmm. Is silvery-blond the dominant or the recessive trait?

Selina: That’s a good point.

Eric: Could she – yeah, I don’t know. Interesting, but – I mean, when you’re talking to your son, wouldn’t you say “your father” instead of “Lucius”? That kind of thing? Or “the boy’s father” to somebody else? I don’t know. It’s just word choice. Very interesting because I guess clues can be hidden in that way but I never got the impression that Draco had a different father.

Selina: Maybe Snape was Draco’s father. Dun-dun-dun!

Eric: [laughs] Oh, snap! Yeah, that’s Snape. Such a man gets all the action.

Selina: Maybe James was Draco’s father. [gasps]

Eric: Yeah, wouldn’t that be creepy?

Selina: Harry had a brother! Sorry.

Micah: Yeah, maybe Caroline can clarify what she means because I was looking through the book and I’m not finding what she’s talking about.

Eric: On page 114.

Micah: She uses his first name. Yeah, she refers to him as “Lucius”, but she doesn’t say…

Eric: Oh, she doesn’t say “your father”. Maybe she’s distant with him. I don’t know. Maybe it was that time of the month.

Micah: I don’t know.

Eric: She’s got to distance herself.

Micah: She just says maybe Harry – I closed the book but it said something along the lines – they’re in Madam Malkin’s and they’re fighting with each other, and she says she supposes that Harry will be reunited with Sirius before she’s reunited with Lucius, because he’s in Azkaban.


Muggle Mail: Harry Potter and Shakespeare’s Henry V


Andrew: Next e-mail is from Bailey, 15, of Oshkosh, Wisconsin:

“Hey guys, huge ‘Harry Potter’ fan and long-time listener here! Anyways, in my English class I am reading the play ‘Henry V’ and I made a Harry Potter connection. In Act V of the play there is a battle, and on the king’s side many of the fighters are disguised as the king, who is the main target. This particular scene made me think of the Seven Potters scene. Do you think J.K. Rowling uses history to inspire her writing in certain events in Harry Potter and Casual Vacancy? Keep up the good work. P.S. I think Eric has the…”

Oh, this can’t be right.

“…cutest voice ever.”

Eric: That’s got to be a typo or something.

Andrew: “Love you! :)”

Eric: Oh no.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Now I’m blushing and I have to answer this e-mail.

Micah: Is your girlfriend still listening?

Eric: Yeah, she’s right here.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: Not reading the screen, evidently. Bailey is going to get cut. Okay, look, so…

Andrew: [laughs] She’s fifteen!

Eric: [laughs] Anyway…

Andrew: So yes, I think Jo has made it no secret that she has pulled from history before to influence her writing.

Eric: Absolutely. I mean, you look at examples throughout history of even ones that didn’t happen but through Shakespeare plays. I think there are definitely tons of intentional parallels there.

Selina: Mhm.

Eric: And let’s face it, good ideas like the Trojan horse, how many times is that going to be replicated?

[Prolonged silence]

Micah: Next e-mail?

Andrew: Go ahead, Micah. Read the next e-mail.


Muggle Mail: Pottermore for the Visually Impaired


Micah: Comes from Jim LoPresti, 45, of Perth, Australia, and he says:

“Hiya MuggleCasters. Thanks so much for the continued podcasts on ‘Harry Potter’. You guys are simply the best. I still have withdrawal symptoms and can’t get enough of the wizarding world. Jim Dale’s audiobooks rock and bring it all to life for me as a blind listener. This is the first time I have posted to you guys, but I’m a long-time listener and I’m constantly frustrated as a blind person trying to access and get through Pottermore. I use a talking screen reader and that works wonderfully well with all the text on Pottermore, but forget me trying to find keys or click on items on the screen. I’ve been in touch with Pottermore Help and they say they have contacted the Royal Institute for the Blind in England and the programmers are working on it, but nothing seems to be happening. I, like all ‘Harry Potter’ fans, want to get my wand and proceed through the book but can’t get past the chapter of Diagon Alley. Hopefully, some of the changes and fixes you guys discussed in Episode 253 will fix this problem for me. Again, keep up the good work. Regards, Jim.”

Eric: Completely unique e-mail, and I really just want to say how much I appreciate Jim writing in about this. If he wrote and got a response from Pottermore saying the programmers are in touch with the Royal Institute for the Blind, that they’re working on some accessibility features on Pottermore, I would say remain patient. You got your e-mail back, it says they’re working on it, and I think they’ll probably really be working on it. I don’t think it’s in Pottermore’s character to be disingenuous about something like that, so hopefully there will be a more accessible version of Pottermore for you. And yeah, I mean, the Diagon Alley chapter is really difficult. I didn’t even know where to click and I was staring at the screen for an hour, so I can see how that would be tough.

Andrew: Yeah, this is, I guess, a problem with such a deeply interactive site for people who are blind. This site relies so much on clicking around and discovering certain elements of the site.

Eric: Before you can proceed.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Whereas a text-only version or – hey, we’ll say it again – an encyclopedia, an e-book or in some other format. Maybe an e-book version of Pottermore, even, would be a possible solution to read the content, which is very interesting. Now, the fact that…

Andrew: I…

Eric: Oh sorry, go ahead.

Andrew: Well, the one other thing I was going to say is that I guess the Pottermore’s argument here could be, well, it’s a video game. Pottermore is a video game and video games really aren’t accessible to the blind, either. Not that they would throw that in your face or something, but I think that would be their take on this type of situation. Yeah, just because they developed this a certain way that they knew would not be accessible to everybody and this is how they’re dealing with it. It stinks, I can imagine you being very frustrated over this, but I guess the one solution I would have for you is to do Pottermore with somebody who could help you through it.

Eric: Oh, that would be cool.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: Yeah, bring a friend.

Andrew: I wonder what Pottermore is doing, though. He mentioned that they contacted the Royal Institute for the Blind.

Eric: And they’re working with the programmers. Yeah, that’s…

Andrew: I guess maybe they’re giving Pottermore tips on how to enhance it.

Micah: Sure.

Andrew: I don’t know.

Eric: Yeah. No, that’s cool.

Selina: Could they do speech commands for the questions?

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, maybe.

Eric: Oh, that would be cool.

Andrew: Maybe.

Micah: I just thought it was really great to get this e-mail, the fact that Jim listens to us on a regular basis. And I mean, if there’s obviously anything we can do on our end to help out with getting that taken care of, by all means. I’m sure that, though, as Eric and Andrew both pointed out, Pottermore is working for a solution, because I’m sure there are a lot of Potter fans out there who want to use Pottermore who are visually impaired in that sense, and they should have every means of being able to use it as everyone else.

Eric: Especially if there won’t be an encyclopedia.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Right.

Andrew: And if Jim Dale doesn’t narrate it.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: That would be a problem. Next e-mail – Eric, would you like to read that one?

Micah: It’s the last e-mail, actually. We already touched on the last one when you were away.


Muggle Mail: James Potter’s Relationship with Vernon Dursley


Eric: So Christy, right?

[Prolonged silence]

Eric: Right?

[Prolonged silence]

Eric: Okay, I’m just going to go. This one is from Christy:

“Hi MuggleCasters! It seems unreal that I have now been listening to your podcast for almost two years! It gets better with every episode. On Episode 253, you were discussing how James Potter’s actions resulted in the rift between the Dursleys and the Potters. While this is partly true, it says that Vernon was trying to patronize James as well. Also, James was ashamed of his actions and tried to repair his relationship with his brother-in-law, but Vernon would not speak to him. James had probably never met anyone like Vernon and would not know exactly how to act around him, Vernon being the complete opposite of himself. Let me know if you guys agree. Love the show! Christie. P.S. When is Jamie going to be on another episode?”

Andrew: Well, we should have Jamie on another episode, I certainly agree. We can try to make that happen. Has anybody spoken to Jamie in a while? Are we sure he’s alive?

Micah: Yeah, I catch up every once in awhile with him on G-chat.

Andrew: Oh, good.

Micah: He is alive, as far as I know. [laughs]

Andrew: Okay. I haven’t spoken to him in awhile.

Micah: In England, doing well, as far as I know. So, that’s about all I can provide [laughs] because I don’t know much more than that.

Eric: Micah, I’ll get in touch with Kevin, you get in touch with Jamie, and we’ll…

Micah: Okay.

Eric: …see about bringing them to Chicago with Selina in August.

Micah: Sounds good.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I think last week we tried to – or last episode – a lot of the discussion focused around how James really didn’t do much to solidify that relationship between himself and Vernon, and it was a bit one-sided but obviously we know who Vernon is and what his character is like, so he is just as much to blame, if not a little bit more so, I think, than James. But there’s still a part of me that thinks James could have made more of an effort.

Andrew: Oh yeah, I agree with you.

Eric: So much for opposites attract, right? We’ve got James and Lily, who are both very adept wizards, and then Vernon and Petunia who are both the same – very boring, very anti-magic. And they just can’t make it work. They just can’t get along very well.

Micah: That’s a good point.


Show Close


Andrew: All right. Well, that’s it for e-mails this week. As you can tell, our e-mail feedback form is working again. So if you go to MuggleCast.com, you click on ‘Contact’ at the top, you can fill out the feedback form there. Get to us with any comments you have about anything we have discussed on the show today. Also on the MuggleCast website, of course, you know what you can find there: a link to our iTunes where you can subscribe and review us, a link to our Twitter which is Twitter.com/MuggleCast, Facebook, Facebook.com/MuggleCast, and our fan Tumblr which is MuggleCast.Tumblr.com. Lots of good stuff to keep you, as a fan, busy. Also, we just passed National Wear Your MuggleCast T-Shirt Day. We retweeted some of the MuggleCast T-shirt wearers on the Twitter account for this one.

Eric: Proud to say I was one of them. Were you guys one of them?

[Prolonged silence]

Andrew: Yes.

Micah: Not this year, no.

Eric: Oh.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Just passed it by. [laughs]

Andrew: Maybe next year. Maybe next year.

Micah: No, I wear it from time to time. I don’t need a special day to wear my MuggleCast shirt.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Andrew: Right, every day for me is National Wear Your MuggleCast T-Shirt Day.

Eric: It’s been the same day for years!

Micah: I wear it under my shirt at work. Just to the gym, wherever I go.

[Selina laughs]

Eric: I can see Micah ripping off a button-down shirt [laughs] and underneath is the mic bolt.

Selina: [laughs] Yeah.

Micah: Yeah. That’s actually my favorite shirt.

Eric: Oh, yeah?

Andrew: Yeah, that is a cool one.

Selina: I was just thinking I don’t have a MuggleCast T-shirt, but I actually do from the 2007 live podcast in London. I still have that somewhere.

Andrew: Oh. And I’m sure you’ll get another one this summer.

Eric: Wait, were you there, Selina?

Selina: I was there, yes, before I really knew who you guys were. [laughs]

Andrew: She was there. Aww.

Eric: Did you say anything? Did you come and see us afterwards?

Selina: No. Wait, did I? I’m thinking I might have done, yeah.

Eric: I can’t believe we were in the same room. Wait, were you the people in the same room, or were you upstairs watching on that…

Selina: No, we were upstairs.

Eric: You broke the ceiling lights?

Selina: We did. We were the ones, yeah.

[Micah laughs]

Selina: Can you believe it? Isn’t that strange? [laughs]

Eric: That’s so hilarious that you were there.

Selina: Yeah, so…

Andrew: If we only knew.

Micah: Yeah. And just a quick reminder that on MuggleNet, coming up on June 11th, are going to be the O.W.L. examinations where you can sit down and take actual O.W.L. exams in any number of subjects from Defense Against the Dark Arts to Potions to Astronomy to Muggle Studies. It’s all there, and you’ll get your appropriate grade via e-mail afterwards.

[Show music begins]

Micah: So it is that time of year, if you were going to Hogwarts, you would be taking your O.W.L. examinations in your fifth year.

Selina: Awww.

Micah: So it’ll be a lot of fun, so be sure to check that out.

Andrew: All right, excellent. This has been a fun episode. Thank you, everybody, for listening. From Hypable, I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: From MuggleNet, I’m Eric Scull.

Micah: From MuggleNet, I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Selina: And from Hypable, I’m Selina Wilken.

Andrew: And we will see you next time for Episode 255.

Eric: Ooh, two fiddy-five!

Micah and Selina: Bye!

Andrew: Goodbye!

[Show music continues]

Transcript #253

MuggleCast 253 Transcript


Show Intro


[“Hedwig’s Theme” plays]

Micah: Because James Potter just should have known better, this is MuggleCast Episode 253 for May 13th, 2012.

[Show music begins]

Micah: Today’s podcast is brought to you by Audible.com, the Internet’s leading provider of audiobooks, with more than 100,000 downloadable titles across all types of literature, including fiction, non-fiction, and periodicals. For a free audiobook of your choice, go to AudiblePodcast.com/MuggleCast.

[Show music continues]

Andrew: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 253. Selina, Eric, Micah, and I are here this week, bringing you all the latest Harry Potter news and we’re going to talk more about Pottermore. And no, we’re not going to complain this week.

[Selina laughs]

Micah: Maybe.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: We have positive things to – well…

Micah: A little bit.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] You never…

Micah: Never say never.

Selina: Yeah. [laughs]

Eric: I love how you…

Andrew: That’s always a given.

Eric: You said that with a straight face, but the first news item is like, “Pottermore: Are they telling the truth?” [laughs]

Andrew: Right. Yeah, I take it back. [laughs] Well, what I meant was our main discussion…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: …will be a positive Pottermore discussion.

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: We’re going to be talking about the Dursleys’ backstory as well as J.K. Rowling’s thoughts on the Dursleys, and McGonagall’s backstory as well. And then we have your e-mails and tweets to get to. So let’s start with the news. Micah, what is in the news this week?


News: Update on Pottermore’s Future Book Releases


Micah: Pottermore.

[Prolonged silence]

Eric: Oh, okay. Thanks, Micah.

Selina: Yay.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Andrew: Okay, thank you. Moving on now.

Micah: Yup. Well, you didn’t want to talk about anything negative associated with it, but the…

Andrew: This isn’t negative news.

Eric: This is…

Andrew: I think this is good news.

Micah: It’s not negative news, but I guess the discussion that we have about it may lead in that direction. But Charlie Redmayne, who is the new CEO – or newly-appointed CEO several months ago – spoke at the London Book Fair. And I guess he was asked about Pottermore, and he said that Chamber of Secrets and other books are coming in the next few weeks or months. And what do you guys think about this? I mean, Chamber of Secrets obviously would be the next, and if you’re saying the next few weeks…

Selina: Right.

Micah: …where does that put us? Maybe into June sometime, and then obviously the other books would follow. But it’s just, to me – I’m trying to get my head around – what’s the schedule for the releasing of these books? Why are they not committing to a specific date? I know they’ve had issues committing to dates in the past, but why not just lay it all out there? Is it a material issue? Is it – are not all the books ready yet? What do you guys think?

Selina: Well, I don’t think all the books are ready yet, because it seems like a lot of work goes into creating each book, and I almost feel like it would be better for them if they spread out the releases. If he’s really saying the books will be coming within the next few months and he’s sort of expecting this scattering release of all six remaining books, I think that would just be a bit anti-climatic for fans. Like, I wish we had something to look forward to in that way.

Andrew: Oh, I think – and I think it’s better that they do spread out the releases.

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: Because, one, I doubt they’re much further than maybe even Prisoner of Azkaban. They may still be completely focused on Chamber of Secrets, who knows how far they’ve gotten. But I think – if they were to release all of these books at once – say they did do that, or released even three at once – people would page through them so quickly they’d be done…

Selina: Mhm.

Eric: They’d be done.

Andrew: …in two hours.

Eric: Yeah. No, I think that the initial timeline that they had said – it had new books every six months, maybe longer. And that was too long. That was like a – we’re talking three years of every six months, and it didn’t work out that way. Now that we have this news that it’s going to be a few weeks or months between each of the books, I’m glad that the timetable has sped up a little bit, because we’ve been in beta for so long as well. I think it’s more suited that we get it maybe a few months – maybe three months, apart. Say it’s three months apart for every book.

Selina: Mhm.

Eric: Okay, I think that’s a little bit better, considering you can finish each book within a couple of hours. Content wise, who knows where they’re at? But I think – this timetable, if they stick to it, if they’re able to stick to it – and I’ve always hated the vagueness of their dates, like, “Oh, beta’s open in October.” Well, does that mean the 1st or the 31st? I’ve always hated that. So I do wish, agreeing with what you said, that they’d give us a specific date, for crying out loud, and just stick to it.

Selina: [laughs] Yeah, but here’s the thing though with that: I agree that I think that maybe a three-month release is a pretty good amount of time, but what are they going to do with Pottermore once all the books are out? Because this huge thing, Pottermore, was going to keep the fandom going, but once all the information from all seven books has been released, what’s the point of it? Collecting house points? [laughs]

Eric: Well, then at that point, they’ll just work on the second part of Pottermore…

Selina: Right.

Eric: …which is the shop.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Eric: There’s always…

Selina: They’ll have Casualmore. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah, Casualmore. Exactly.

[Andrew and Selina laugh]

Andrew: Well, I just think that – getting back to what he had to say, these interviews he’s done lately have been very reassuring. It’s good to hear that they actually are pretty close to Chamber of Secrets. I didn’t really expect it to be this soon.

Micah: Right. And in that article, you actually bolded a couple of things worth talking about, aside from the fact that new books are in the works over the next few weeks and months. Something else that came up is the site is going to get incredibly exciting, and his job will become much more exciting. So that should have fans excited.

[Selina laughs]

Micah: And then, “Over the coming weeks, you will see more of J.K. Rowling’s content and books ‘fly by.'”

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: What does that mean?

Eric: Fly by. It means fast, it means speed.

Andrew: Well, now that they have their server problems out of the way, all they’ve got to focus on now is books.

Eric: Are the server problems out of the way truly? Do we…

Andrew: I think so.

Eric: I’m having trouble with Flash.

Micah: Well, no one on this call can answer that.

Eric: [laughs] Yeah. Well, I’m having trouble with Flash, I think. When I went back in there to grab content for today’s show, I was clicking things and it wasn’t working. And then I was scrolling – I was hovering over with my mouse and then things would click. I don’t know if I’m just doing the whole Pottermore thing wrong.

Selina: No, that happens to me as well. I’ll go in there and I’ll hover over stuff and it will sort of – you know what it does? It kind of moves when you can click on it, but I can’t actually click on it. And it really annoys me.

Andrew: What I’m about to bring up may be a little too nerdy, but Flash, which the site is based on – and we all know Flash.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: We’ve all seen Flash sites before. It’s kind of…

Selina: Outdated?

Andrew: The technology is aging.

Selina: Mhm.

Andrew: And it’s never been that great. And it’s bad for tablets. It’s bad for actually physically touching, so this stuff will never work on an iPad unless they completely revamp it. Something else he – Charlie Redmayne, the CEO – mentioned is that there will be new interactive and community functionalities…

Selina: Yay!

Andrew: …being added in the coming weeks as well. And in a follow-up interview – he’s been doing a lot of interviews lately. In a follow-up interview, he said they are going to make it less restrictive.

Eric: Ooh.

Andrew: So…

Selina: That’s a good sign.

Eric: So clothes are coming off.

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: Well, one of the things I thought would be the first things that they would change is they would let people see their real names.

Selina: Mhm.

Eric: That seems like a big thing that they were a stickler against, though.

Selina: Yeah, it seems like they’re really going back, but I guess they are listening to fans though, which is good.

Andrew: Well, the one thing – because he also said, “Well, we’re going to keep it just as safe but make it less restrictive,” so it’s like, “Well, how are you going to do that?” I mean, one of the ways could be maybe you can opt in. You can be like, “Yes, I am 18 years or older.”

Selina: Right.

Andrew: “Please show my real name,” whereas people younger would still not be able to.

Selina: Or only your first name, maybe.

Andrew: Yeah, or maybe just first name, right. And maybe new messaging features, who knows.

Selina: I hope so.

Andrew: I don’t think they’ll do a chat room, though.

Selina: Like, have some kind of thing, personalized thing on your profile, or have some kind of thing that you can say, “I’m not just a number collecting points for a house, but it’s actually me.”

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Well, no, hang on, hang on. I think you’ve gone too far.

Selina: Oh. [laughs]

Eric: Because we each have our own house, we each have our own wand.

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: And a wand is very specific.

Selina: But I…

Eric: And I think – we speculated before, sorry, that as later books come, we’ll get more things, like a Patronus in Book 5, say, or an Animagus in Book 3. Things like that, that may make it a little bit more in-depth. I mean, it’s just the first book. I think what he’s saying here with these exciting new community features, they may come hand-in-hand with each book. I’d hate to think that sorting and wands is the only book tie-in to your profile page. I would like to think as you go through, you can have different things like pets, like what Andrew had said, and other stuff.

Selina: Do you guys remember – and this might again be going too far, they probably wouldn’t allow this, but do you guys remember really old school Internet chat rooms where you had little icons and you sort of moved from room to room and you chatted with people? That would be so cool if you could chat with people in the common room and in the Great Hall and… [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, that would…

Eric: Yeah. They always said the same thing to me when I got in those chat rooms, and it was “ASL?” ASL, question mark. ASL, question mark.

Andrew: Even today though, I don’t think you can go in chat rooms and really – people don’t really ask “ASL” anymore, do they?

Selina: What does “ASL” mean? Do I want to know?

Andrew: “ASL” means “Age, Sex, Location.”

Eric: Question mark.

Selina: Oh right, of course, yeah.

Eric: They’re trying to hook up. People trying to hook up.

[Selina laughs]

Eric: I don’t know. I still have AOL, I could go into the chat rooms.

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: But I don’t see a reason to. Yeah, obviously – if we get a forum, chat rooms would be good.

Micah: I don’t think – no.

Selina: I think it would be too far, I think you guys are right. We don’t want “ASL.”

Andrew: And chat rooms require moderators.

Selina: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: I don’t think they’re going to do that.

Micah: You just see that, though, on sort of the social communities that have already been created – look at, for example, with MuggleSpace. I mean, I doubt the chat there is Harry Potter all the time. In fact, I know it’s not.

Andrew: [laughs] Very rarely.

Micah: So it would take a lot of moderation, like you’re saying, on the part of Pottermore…

Selina: Yeah.

Micah: …to really keep it in line, I think, and fan-friendly.

Selina: I think I just want Pottermore to be some kind of interactive Hogwarts. [laughs] That’s what I keep wanting it to be.

Micah: Well, they’re trying, supposedly, and my concern remains – if you’re going out there and you’re saying now that within the next few weeks that fans are going to have this new book – because let’s not forget, the people who were in beta for so long have had Sorcerer’s Stone since last summer. So…

Eric: Or some variation.

Micah: Yeah, they’ve had almost a year now to play around with this thing, whereas the new members are just getting accustomed to it. But it’s kind of like, well, your one million beta testers really want something new. They’ve been sitting out on the sidelines and haven’t really had much to experience. So they better deliver, and deliver soon. That’s just…

Eric: I like this guy.

Micah: …what I think.

Eric: I’m just going to say that this Charlie Redmayne, he seems pretty cool.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Micah: Well, I’m glad you like him. But the other thing I wanted to bring up really quick – because I saw a couple of people tweet about it and I actually got an e-mail this morning – is why is Pottermore sending out sign up e-mails to people who have already signed up? I understand…

Andrew: I got that, too!

Selina: Me too, I got one.

Eric: I got that, too.

Micah: I understand if you registered an account and you didn’t follow through on it – Andrew, you brought up in previous episodes that people probably signed up and forgot about it. Okay, if it’s a reminder that’s one thing, but you should know the people who followed through and signed up on your system. I don’t get that.

Eric: Yeah, one day ago I got the same e-mail:

“Have you signed up to Pottermore?”

Andrew: And “to Pottermore” sounds like it’s a verb.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: “Have you signed up to Pottermore?” Like, “Have you done the Pottermore?”

Selina: [laughs] To Pottermore.

Andrew: Do the Pottermore!

Eric: Sign up to Pottermore.

“We are delighted that Pottermore is now open to everyone.”

This is from the e-mail.

“If you haven’t yet signed up, now is your chance to discover if you’re magical.”

What do you mean “if you’re magical?” [laughs] Is there an option that you’ll…

Selina: You’re a Muggle. [laughs]

Eric: …sign up to Pottermore and you won’t be magical? “Sorry, Muggle. Can’t come in.” [laughs]

Selina: Yeah, you fail the Sorting.

Micah: I don’t know…

Andrew: Yeah, it was – I thought the same thing when I saw that.

Micah: They seem very unorganized across the board.

Andrew: Really?

Micah: In terms of what they’re doing. Yeah, I mean – well…

Andrew: I’m starting to think you’re right.

[Everyone laughs]

Selina: What was that you guys said about not being negative? [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, let’s…

Micah: Well, no – look, I think it’s a great platform, I think there’s a lot of great content in there, but I think the way that they’ve done things so far is less than desirable for fans.

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News: Harry Potter Wizard’s Collection Gets Low Reviews


Andrew: What else is going on in the news?

Micah: The Wizard’s Collection is continuing to cause much controversy amongst fans.

[Selina laughs]

Micah: And we talked about it, I think, on the last episode, but it seems as if this collection is just not sitting well with fans of the series. Hypable had a great article about the fact that the collection itself has a 1.5 star rating amongst 200 reviews, or over 200 reviews…

[Eric laughs]

Micah: …on Amazon.com, which is interesting considering the Wizard’s Collection is not due out until September.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Nobody has seen it.

Micah: So how you can review something…

Eric: This was a fantastic article. I loved this article.

Andrew: I’m glad you liked it.

Eric: It’s just – you give Harry Potter fans a year – this is the other thing, [laughs] is that they’re going to – they’re going to speak their mind. But this just is a good indicator of what the Harry Potter fan is thinking. The reviews that are talking about this Wizard’s Collection so negatively before it comes out shows that we’re kind of fed up with Warner Bros. marketing. And it’s not just this collection. Maybe this one got the brunt of it because it’s the latest incarnation of basically repeating the same stuff we already own, and reiterating it, and putting features that we’ve already seen onto these discs, and selling it for this huge price, this ridiculous price.

Selina: Yeah, I think it is a huge price. That’s the main issue here. I mean…

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: So huge.

Andrew: So what should the price be?

Selina: A hundred dollars? [laughs]

Andrew: WB has it retailed for 500 dollars, Amazon has it discounted to 350, but what should it actually be after a discount? 150?

Selina: I would say a hundred. Because we don’t get…

Eric: A hundred dollars.

Selina: Do we get any new material besides the box?

Andrew: Well, if you think about…

Eric: The little books, right?

Andrew: But if you think about most box sets, they are pretty pricey, usually around the 100 dollar range.

Selina: Maybe 150 then. I don’t know.

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: Because you do get seven films.

Eric: How much do you really think it costs to make this, is the other thing.

Andrew: I’m sure they’re making bank off of it.

Selina: I don’t know.

Eric: I’m just like – there’s like a stamp collection or a tattoo collection that comes with it, right? In addition to the movies.

Selina: I feel like you get – because what you get with it that’s supposedly so special is that you get that it’s one out of like 35,000 or something, and you get, like, “This is number 753.”

Andrew: Yeah, something like that.

Selina: I feel like that’s so ridiculous. Like, if they were going to give anything to warrant this huge price, it should be, like, an autograph from J.K. Rowling or something, you know?

Andrew: Yeah. And you should get – the general consensus, as I wrote in the article, is that people want extended editions…

Selina: Yes!

Andrew: …and content that isn’t on the DVDs that they already have.

Selina: Blooper reels. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, blooper reels, for example. And in fairness, WB has said in the past they are going to keep announcing new features, so we’ll see what may come next. We know, as we talked about on the last episode, there’s going to be more from the Dan Radcliffe/J.K. Rowling one-on-one interview. It’s like ten minutes of additional footage.

Eric: [laughs] Extended features of their extended features.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: So basically what they’re doing is they’re integrating a lot of what was on the Ultimate Editions into this set, right? So one of the things I did was I sent an e-mail to WB and I wanted to know, “Hey, are you guys planning on releasing Deathly Hallows – Part 1 and Part 2 Ultimate Editions?” They haven’t responded yet, I don’t know that they ever will. But I think that’s one of the main issues that’s out there for a lot of people who have bought these Ultimate Editions: They want a complete set.

Selina: Mhm.

Micah: And are they going to be able to do that?

Andrew: Right, because all the Ultimate Edition boxes are specially designed to kind of sit next to each other.

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: And they all look similar.

Selina: And we all want our shelves to look neat and organized in that way, you know? [laughs]

Andrew: Right.

Eric: You just don’t do anything half-assed.

Selina: No.

Eric: You don’t do six Ultimate Edition collections, and not do “7” and “8”.

Selina: No.

Eric: You just don’t do that.

[Selina laughs]

Eric: Like, the reason I don’t own the Ultimate Editions is because even them – even they looked like repackaged features from the get-go. It was cool that they had the unique documentary, but even then it was split across eight parts, right? So you’d think they’d complete the whole set. But besides that special documentary – which was almost a selling point. I very nearly purchased the Ultimate Editions for it – the other big thing, I guess, was the opportunity to watch the film ABC Family version with…

Selina: Mhm.

Eric: …deleted scenes put back into the film. Instead of what we did previously – which was you had the deleted scenes but on a separate disc, or you view them separately – you could view them as an extended version of the normal film.

Selina: Yeah. That was cool.

Andrew: As some people brought up though in this post, there weren’t that many deleted scenes. So if you add these deleted scenes into the film, and you make them “Extended Editions,” you’re not really getting that much more out of it.

Eric: Even if they did that…

Selina: The deleted scenes have just always been such a disappointment. Like, you’d go into it and you’re like – it’s five minutes of the same scene and then at the end they add, like, a long look from Snape, or something.

Eric: Yeah. You’re right, but I think the other reason for that is that these films – they really did make the films they set out to make. You’re not going to find extra scenes, really, because very early on, they would have been nixed before they ever filmed them.

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: It’s not like – Dumbledore’s funeral, for instance. It’s not like they filmed it and just didn’t put it in.

Selina: No.

Eric: That was a huge decision that they made very early on. “It was never going to be in the film,” I think David Yates is quoted as saying.

Selina: Yes.

Eric: So there are never going to be that many special features, like bonus deleted scenes, to warrant a special edition. I’m thinking that the Ultimate Editions were just a mistake to make, to begin with. Maybe they feel the same. But I think they should make “7” and “8”.

Selina: I agree with you.

Andrew: I bet they will. I think they’re just going to come after…

Micah: Well, it’s more money, too.

Andrew: …the Wizard’s Collection.

Micah: I mean, that’s the other thing to look at, right? And there’s a huge opportunity there, for people who have the set already, to make money off of them by putting theses two discs out. So I just don’t understand, though, with the speed with which they put out I think Movie 3, Movie 4, Movie 5, and Movie 6 in Ultimate Edition format. It was very, very quick. And I don’t know exactly how many months were in between, but that’s kind of how they did the release. And I guess they tied it to the movie coming out – Deathly Hallows – Part 1 and Part 2, they had that opportunity to market it, but it just kind of dropped off completely once the last film came out. So I don’t know – and I guess they were waiting for it to do Part 1 in Ultimate Edition until Movie 2 was in theaters and – or I guess out of theaters. But it just seems like a slight to fans, a little bit of a slap in the face that they’re doing it this way.

Eric: Because essentially it’s like, “Oh, just keep buying, just keep re-buying the same stuff. We know you’ll like it. We’re going to throw in a sticker book, and it’s going to be awesome.”

Selina: Yeah.

Micah: Well – because the point is it’s not like the content doesn’t exist, so it’s just a matter of packaging it together and putting it out there like they did…

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: …when they were putting the other movies out in such rapid fashion. So – yeah. But the only other thing I would add to that is, for fans who were complaining about it, the solution: don’t buy it.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: You don’t have to buy it.

Andrew: Right.

[Selina laughs]

Eric: You really want to say that, though? Because – I guess that’s…

Andrew: Because you’re not – you don’t get much extra. So what else is going on in the news, Micah? Please.


News: Deathly Hallows – Part 2 Nominated at MTV Movie Awards 2012


Micah: Yeah, the final bit of news: the MTV Movie Award nominations were released back at the end of April, and as expected, Deathly Hallows – Part 2 picked up several nominations. And the awards show is set for June 3rd, voting is open now. This is one of those shows – what’s interesting to me is we always talk about when we have no control over it, we’re always so upset that Deathly Hallows doesn’t get nominated – or sorry, Harry Potter doesn’t get nominated. Whether it’s the Golden Globes or the Oscars, those are things we have no control over. Well, here’s an awards show we have plenty of control over, and can easily have impact on the outcome of who wins these awards. So what ends up happening, though, is that people don’t vote enough and they get upset when…

[Selina laughs]

Micah:Harry Potter doesn’t win against movies like Twilight, and this year The Hunger Games is going to be a part of it. So a lot of interesting categories there. What do you guys think? What does Harry Potter have the best chance of winning?

Andrew: Well, I love this year’s awards because all three big film, book-to-film franchises are going up against each other…

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: …as you had mentioned. So it’s going to be really interesting, and there’s going to be a lot of feedback [laughs] once all the awards have been announced by the different fandoms.

Eric: I think ‘Best Cast’, right?

Selina: I hope they win ‘Best Cast’.

Andrew: Okay, but here’s the thing you have to keep in mind: it’s all about the people voting, and if Harry Potter fans aren’t reminded enough to vote, it’s pointless.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: So Harry Potter fans have to get out and vote.

Selina: I pretty much – I’m predicting right now – I pretty much think that Hunger Games is going to sweep these awards, because their fandom is most active at the moment because we’re still in the middle of the series, and the fandom is still so fresh, and the fans are still – I mean, I’m not saying Harry Potter fans and Twilight fans are less enthusiastic, I’m just saying I think that The Hunger Games – because things like ‘Best Kiss’ – I’m particularly fighting for Harry Potter to win ‘Best Kiss’, not necessarily because of anything besides the fact that it’s the only category that would put Rupert Grint up there. [laughs] And it’s – I always feel so bad for him in these awards, because it’s always Daniel Radcliffe for ‘Male’ and obviously Emma Watson for ‘Female’, and he never gets anything. So I’m just like, “Just give him that, at least.” But anyway – so I don’t see how Hunger Games couldn’t win that one or ‘Best Fight’ or ‘Best Female Performance’, ‘Movie of the Year’, you know?

Eric: Yeah, I think I’m going to just repeat what I just said. I think ‘Best Cast’ is a – that Harry Potter has a great opportunity to win that just because there’s so much – so many people that people like, whereas I think with The Hunger Games there are still fans…

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: …who feel adverse about – even something like Gale’s casting, you know? People say Gale and Peeta should have been switched, their casting, and feel that way, which is odd to me, but whatever. And again with Twilight, it’s really only about two people, Bella and Edward. And Jacob, obviously. But even though I like the Cullens…

[Selina laughs]

Eric: …you really don’t see a whole lot of them, they’re not – it’s not really about them, etc. The cast of Harry Potter, nothing is ever going to come close to it.

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: So I feel like it has a good chance.

Micah: Well, it’s interesting because in the ‘Best Male’ and ‘Best Female’ categories it’s – in my opinion, it’s Harry Potter versus The Hunger Games, because there is no Twilight nomination in either of those categories. So…

Andrew: Yeah, and the Bridesmaids fandom isn’t going to be coming out…

Micah: Yeah, exactly.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: …to vote.

Eric: Are you kidding? They have been out…

[Selina laughs]

Eric: …since – in all the other awards.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s true.

Eric: They won the Comedy Awards, for crying out loud.

Andrew: Well…

Eric: Last week they swept…

Andrew: At what?

Eric: They got three…

Andrew: But were these fan-voted awards?

Eric: Oh. Yeah, probably not.

Micah: And I just think you can’t compare though, Eric, to your point with the ‘Best Cast’. You look through these movies, I haven’t seen most of them, but Bridesmaids, The Hunger Games, 21 Jump Street, and The Help are all up against Deathly Hallows – Part 2. It’s not a contest.

Eric: Yeah, it’s really not.

Micah: And – but that’s the thing, are people going to go out and vote? Are you going to have that more-active fandom like Selina was talking about with The Hunger Games that’s going to go crazy and vote every single day, as many times as possible, versus Harry Potter which has kind of become a little bit complacent.

Eric: We need to take out ad space on our site.

[Selina laughs]

Eric: We need to retweet, and retweet, and retweet…

Selina: Yes.

Eric: …saying, “Harry can still make a difference. Vote ‘Best Cast’ for the MTV Movie Awards.”

Selina: See – but I think that’s a pretty good sort of test, really, is how excited are we for Harry Potter to win these awards? Do we – I mean, I’m not saying, “Do we care?” but do we think it’s so important that we’re going to go in and vote every day and campaign for it and stuff, or are we just sort of become a bit complacent like we’re saying the fandom has?

Eric: I don’t know, I’m kind of motivated by Micah’s call to action here.

Selina: [laughs] Yeah!

Eric: I think I do want to vote, because that’s what it was. And I like the MTV Movie Awards. Thinking back, they’re the shows – that’s the award show that I watched first, before the Oscars, before the Grammys. MTV Movie Awards, primarily because of the skits, but also because they have the movies that I like. It’s more fan-oriented, and so I think I will vote now, thank you very much for the reminder.

Selina: Good! We should all vote.

Andrew: If you ask me, it comes down to which studio’s Twitter account is promoting it enough.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Andrew: And I think the best thing Harry Potter does have going for it, that said, is the fact that it is the last chance it has at the Movie Awards. There’s not another film, whereas there will be for Twilight and Hunger Games. So that’s it for news!

Micah: That’s about it, as far as the news goes.

MuggleCast 253 Transcript (continued)


Pottermore Discussion: Dursley Backstory


Andrew: All right, very good! Now, like we said at the start of the show, we are going to talk about Pottermore, some of the new material from J.K. Rowling we’ve been going through recently. And this week we’re going to be going through the Dursleys’ backstory as well as McGonagall’s backstory, two very interesting backstories that were very fun to read. And Eric is going to lead this, I think.

Eric: Yes. Before we go into this, remember, Pottermore is now open to everybody.

Andrew: [laughs] Don’t forget!

Eric: Don’t – [laughs] in case you put your e-mail down and they e-mailed you and said, “In case you haven’t signed up,” Pottermore is open to everybody. So – look, we have two items that we chose to discuss on this week’s episode. I’m not going to go through bullet point by bullet point, but basically we do learn a lot in – I believe it’s Chapter 2 of Pottermore Book 1, about Vernon and Petunia Dursley. We find out how they met, we find out how they fell in love, and also their relationship with Lily and James Potter. So, what did you guys think? You guys have all read this, I’m sure, by now. I hope because I put it in the doc. What were some of the stand-out moments of this? Because it’s quite a few paragraphs. It’s maybe, I don’t know, two or three pages.

Andrew: Well, why don’t you read the summary first? I think that will be a good way to start.

Eric: Yeah, so I summarized this based on the ten or twelve paragraphs there, and I’ll read this quick. So, Petunia separates herself from Lily and her parents when she figures out that they like Lily and her wizardry more. She secures an office job as a typist and she meets a man who is as ordinary as possible. She confesses the existence of her sister to Vernon and he vows not to care. He proposes to her in his mother’s house. Due to James Potter’s lack of sensitivity, the relationship between James and Lily, and Vernon and Petunia only gets worse. Vernon and Petunia do not attend James and Lily’s wedding at all. The last correspondence they have is the announcement of Harry’s birth. Also, very interestingly, J.K. Rowling sheds a little bit of light on why they try to drive the magic out of Harry, and when they’re running from the letters, why they take him to the hut on the rock. That detail, I thought, was very cool. Apparently there is an old superstition that witchcraft or witches cannot cross water.

Selina: Hmm.

Eric: So that was why they – because didn’t it seem odd reading the first book for the first time? You were like, “Okay, a hut in the middle of nowhere.” It’s funny because didn’t they go to the middle of a cornfield or over a suspension bridge first? So we think Vernon has finally lost it when he persuades a fisherman to give him a boat. But really, it’s based on superstition, so I liked that she had the opportunity to explain that.

Andrew: So, one of the things that first stood out to me here is that Petunia loves the ordinary. She – after learning about Lily and her special power, she hated – and we already knew this, she hated everything about Lily, that she was being treated as special. So, meeting Vernon – it seems like one of the reasons she fell in love with Vernon was that she liked somebody who was boring, [laughs] who was the complete opposite of her sister…

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: …and even fell more in love when he didn’t really care for this Lily, either.

Selina: See, I…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: And was repulsed by it just as much as she was.

Eric: Mhm.

Selina: See, I – sorry.

Eric: Well, J.K. Rowling’s writing helps, too, and that’s the reason to really read Pottermore and not to settle for my summary, which was probably God-awful. J.K. Rowling’s writing style really helps because when she’s talking about this moment, she’s talking about Vernon driving the correct car and he’s a perfectly ordinary man and he’s always doing the perfectly ordinary thing. And so that helps characterize what is going through Petunia’s mind…

Selina: Mhm.

Eric: …when she meets him.

Selina: I just want to say I never understood the logic of Petunia Dursley. She makes no sense to me. The whole…

Eric: Really?

Selina: And I get that she hated magic so much she was attracted to the idea of getting as far away from it as possible, but to go for someone like Vernon and be so attracted to the fact that he was so unbelievably dull, I do not understand. Like, what kind of life did she imagine that she would – well, I guess that’s the kind of life she likes, but…

Eric: Well, isn’t it also – don’t we learn – and I think one of our Twitter followers has said this, which we’ll get to later in the episode – essentially that because we know that Petunia wanted to go to Hogwarts, isn’t this said…

Selina: Hmmm.

Eric: Is it in Book 6 or Book 7? Where they’re young, and Lily is saying, “Well, we could write to Dumbledore and get you to go to Hogwarts possibly.” The factor – don’t we know from what J.K. Rowling said, that Albus himself wrote Petunia a letter explaining…

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: …why she couldn’t come to Hogwarts, but that he treated it delicately? When it came – she was jealous, essentially. As a young girl, she was jealous that her sister was getting all this attention for, essentially, being a freak, and when it became known that she would not also be able to go to Hogwarts with her sister, they parted ways. There was this split. There was this break. And Petunia never looked back from it. As a coping mechanism for her own self-worth, she convinced herself that her parents were insane, and that Lily was a freak. And unfortunately, she needed to find somebody who felt, or would have felt, the exact same way without all that provocation. So she found the most ordinary man she could possibly come across and marries him.

Micah: It’s interesting to me, though, that Vernon actually believed what it was that…

[Selina laughs]

Micah: …Petunia was saying, because, think about it: you’re a regular person never exposed to the magical world before and the woman that you are dating, all of a sudden, comes up to you and tells you that her sister is a witch. I mean, you’d probably think she’s a little bit off her rocker, wouldn’t you?

Eric: It would make me drop my sausage.

[Selina laughs]

Micah: Whoa.

Eric: Which is exactly what happens.

Selina: What?!

Eric: That was a joke!

Micah: I know, yes.

Eric: That was a joke.

Micah: That’s what’s written in the text.

Eric: They were eating at the time. They were at a drive-in movie or something, and Vernon drops his sausage when she tells him.

Micah: But…

Eric: But yeah – go on.

Micah: The question I wanted to ask you, though, is do you think it’s Petunia and Vernon’s fault that this relationship didn’t really move forward at all, or do you think James has a large part to play in that?

Selina: What relationship?

Eric: I think James is very much kind of the reason – his temperament and Vernon’s temperament are completely clashing. James wants to show off, is proud of magic, has never had a reason to hide his magic, and is just really – he’s unashamed about anything. And the fact that Petunia and Vernon want to act as though magic is not the coolest thing in the world, I see a character conflict with James there, and so I do think – because it hurts Lily, and it’s said that the strain on their relationship, between Petunia and Lily, really hurt Lily. I think James could have tried harder.

Micah: Right, that’s the thing. Because we see so much of that out of him when he has that interaction with Snape as well. It says in Pottermore, “James was amused by Vernon, and made the mistake of showing it.” A smarter person would have just kind of placated him, I think, and just…

Selina: Mhm.

Eric: I think so, too. Especially for Lily’s sake. Because their relationship is really important to Lily, I think that James should have been a lot more – even little things, just mindful of Muggles – so, I do agree. And there’s even some point in the story where James tells Vernon about his huge vault full of gold, and it’s said that Vernon isn’t sure whether James is being honest or telling the truth. And that’s James’s fault, really, because if you come across as that kind of a person where you could be making fun of them or you could be being honest, that’s your problem, I’m sorry. You need to really come across as – you need to really think a little bit more about how you’re presenting yourself, and I don’t think James did that, and I do think that that led to their separation. They didn’t even come to their wedding, for crying out – [sighs] it’s just so upsetting…

Selina: Yeah. There’s definitely…

Eric: …that they couldn’t have been better friends.

Selina: There’s definitely a lot of shadiness with the way that James sort of is portrayed in some of the scenes in the book. You just – you double – you think of him like Harry did, as just this perfect dad who can do no wrong because he’s not there to do any wrong, basically, in Harry’s mind. But then, when you actually look at some of these things, it does make you wonder, doesn’t it? But I guess he is just like Fred and George, really.

Eric: Well – yeah, and I think what’s interesting though is the role that guilt plays, because throughout the series – because we’ve looked at what Snape – he loved Lily.

Selina: Mhm.

Eric: And his whole guilt over possibly causing her death, or his guilt over not being the right man for her, eventually caused him to protect Harry and look after him through all those years and lie to the Dark Lord and all that stuff. Well, Petunia’s guilt, perhaps in the role of not being on better terms with her sister when she died or even at all throughout their lives, that guilt is causing her to also protect Harry. And she’s the reason that they take Harry in, and that provides – we know that provides – this strong protection. So all these people have this guilt over Lily, essentially, and that’s allowing Harry to be protected. And Lily’s own sacrifice protects Harry throughout the series. So I just think that’s very interesting.

Andrew: Did anybody have a changed perception of the Dursleys following – reading this backstory? Because we’ve always had this disgust for them, distaste in our mouths, for the Dursleys because of how they’ve treated Harry. Did this allow you to understand them more or anything?

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: Is anybody feeling better about the Dursleys?

Selina: I just feel bad. I feel like it’s a very tragic story. Petunia was the one who wasn’t chosen, she was the one who was told very early on in her life that [laughs] she was not the special one, and I think that despite – we can hate her for how she let that consume her, but I definitely think – looking at her life, I just think it’s really tragic.

Micah: Yeah. No, I agree. I think, as I said before, my perception of James changed a little bit more than…

Selina: Mhm.

Micah: …really anything related to Vernon or Petunia. And I thought it was interesting – Eric, you brought up the point – that Petunia and Vernon don’t go to James and Lily’s wedding even though James and Lily go to theirs, and Lily is not asked to be a bridesmaid at that wedding. So, I wonder though, is that more of the fact that Vernon and Petunia don’t go because can you imagine them conversing amongst a group of witches and wizards at this wedding?

[Eric laughs]

Micah: It probably wouldn’t have gone over very well.

Eric: Especially with James and Lily Potter. Like, two superstars essentially of Hogwarts, going there – everybody at that wedding is going to think that Lily and James are the best thing ever, and I can see why that would be – that alone, not to mention, surrounding yourself with a bunch of wizards to begin with, would be repellent to the Dursleys.

Micah: It’s a constant reminder for Petunia of what she could have had.

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: Well, not only that but we see, as Harry grows, that they cannot be – they do not wish to be reminded at all about magic, that there is this whole other world out there. They prefer to be so close-minded and they prefer not to be reminded of that at all in the slightest. They need to be able to ignore it, to go on functioning. Petunia said that she doesn’t feel unworthy, and Vernon, just because he’s Vernon. So that’s very interesting about “trying to be normal.” There’s this adherence to normal. I keep thinking – Dursleys throughout the series, okay? How the Order gets them out of the house. Is it in Book 5? That fake invitation to the England’s…

Selina: Oh, yeah! [laughs]

Eric: …Best Kept Lawn ceremony? Really, I think over time – and that’s, I want to say, a high – it’s an exaggerated kind of character, but it’s admirable and you kind of just – you do love the Dursleys, I think, by the end of it. Especially because of Dudley’s redemption. There are these Muggles – are they the only Muggles in the series, too, that we know of? Besides obviously Ted Tonks.

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: They’re what we have for Muggles.

Micah: Well…

Selina: I don’t think you end up liking them.

Eric: For people who can’t wield magic. No?

Selina: No, I don’t. I really don’t like – how they treated Harry, there’s no excuse for that.

Micah: Yeah. Well, I think – and also Hermione’s parents are the complete contrast to the Dursleys.

Eric: Well, Hermione’s parents are like Lily’s parents, really. The exception is that Lily is an only – or Lily isn’t an only child, and Hermione is. Although she wasn’t originally going to be…

Selina: No.

Eric: …which we also find out in Pottermore. Very interesting. But Lily’s parents, okay? They find out their daughter is this witch, they’re completely – wait, I’m sorry. They were also witches and wizards, which is the difference. But basically, Hermione’s parents – she’s their only kid, they have to support her in that way, whereas Lily’s parents probably share the blame for isolating Petunia, when it was that she was a Muggle-born or a Squib, whatever it is that Petunia exactly is. The fact that Petunia felt neglected, that Lily was more special, is kind of her parents’ fault. So I do blame Lily’s parents, because Hermione’s parents are doing the right thing.

Micah: You were right, though. Just – sorry about that. You were right with what you first said, Eric, though. Her parents were both Muggles, not – they didn’t have any magical blood in them.

Eric: Oh.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: I must be reading – somebody’s grandmother, maybe it’s McGonagall, that said her grandmother was a great witch. Yes, I’m sorry. I’m confusing their backstories.

Micah: Well, they said there’s probably some magical blood in the line somewhere with Muggles who have magical kids. But I think Lily specifically – I’m almost a hundred percent sure both of her parents were not…

Selina: Were Muggles. Yeah, definitely.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: So look at it, then: you’re Muggles, you find out your daughter is this witch. What do you do? Well, Hermione’s parents praised that. They were like, “We’re going to raise our daughter just like we always raised our daughter, to be special and that kind of thing,” whereas Lily’s parents were like, “I have two daughters, one of them is special. I’m going to let them know it. I’m going to let the one who is not special know that she’s not special.” She’s going to leave home and get married at the age of seventeen, I think Petunia did. So that’s tough. That’s rough, actually, for Petunia. I definitely sympathize.

Andrew: J.K. Rowling added her thoughts on this whole backstory as well. She didn’t really analyze it too much, she just provided the backstory on the names – how she got the names and there wasn’t too much interest in there, to be honest.

Eric: [laughs] She picked the name “Dursley” based on a town…

Selina: [laughs] Yeah.

Eric: …that was near the town she was born in and she said, “I’ve never visited but I’m sure they’re charming people.”

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Unlike the Dursley family, ironically.

Eric: Yeah, yeah.


Pottermore Discussion: McGonagall Backstory


Andrew: Okay, so let’s move on to McGonagall’s backstory now.

Eric: Unfortunately, this is not more redemptive. [laughs] Or it’s not a happier story to tell.

Andrew: It’s sadder, if you ask me.

Eric: Yeah, and it’s in three parts so you get some of it in Chapter 7, then some of it in Chapter 8 of Pottermore, and then the final bit in Chapter 15. So throughout Book 1, you do get these bits added and added on about Professor McGonagall. So this is – again, this is my summary but the real thing, trust me, is five or six times longer. So here’s the summary: Minerva’s mother, who lived in Scotland, falls for a Presbyterian minister, a Muggle, but doesn’t tell him about her magic. Isabelle, which is Minerva’s mother, feels trapped by her secret. Only after Minerva is born does she confess to Robert that she’s a witch and this leaves a big distrust in their marriage. They still stay together but the wife and husband can’t trust each other. Minerva has two younger brothers, who are both wizards. At school Minerva is a Hatstall, which we can talk about a little later on. Minerva is great at Transfiguration and Quidditch. She suffers an injury in the Gryffindor/Slytherin Quidditch game which gives her a long-standing wish to see Slytherin crushed at Quidditch. [laughs] Additionally, Albus Dumbledore guides her to successfully becoming a registered Animagus. They don’t become close friends until after McGonagall goes back home. She falls in love. She has to tell her new fiancé that she has to cancel their marriage because she doesn’t want to live the same life her mother did, lying to the Muggle that she fell in love with. She works for the Ministry of Magic for two years, she dislikes it due to their anti-Muggle tendencies, and she writes to Hogwarts asking for a job. Dumbledore responds within hours and finds her crying when she learns that her former fiancé has remarried. A trust between Albus and Minerva develops when they get close following that incident. Additionally, McGonagall and Sprout were friends during the last couple of years at Hogwarts. Finally, Minerva did end up marrying her boss from the Ministry of Magic but only after her first fiancé had died. Being quite old in age, her new husband only lasts three years before he dies. They shared a cabin together in Hogsmeade where Minerva’s nieces and nephews would visit. Minerva moved back to the castle after his death where she remained at the castle.

Selina: Awww!

Eric: So that’s pretty sad.

Andrew: Such a deep backstory, too, for something we never, ever hear about in the books.

Eric: That’s true.

Selina: That’s the kind of stuff that J.K. Rowling can just pull out of thin air.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Thin air.

Selina: Yeah, this is all of her…

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: Yeah, it’s insane.

Eric: So, is it that none of it was in the books? Like, how much of this could we have guessed at? Any of it?

Andrew: No.

Selina: No, none of it.

Andrew: I don’t think so. I mean, at best the only thing we could have started guessing about is “Oh, how did Minerva get to Hogwarts anyway? How did she start working?”

Selina: Well, what has always been weird to me has been – you know the trophy that we see in the first book going, “Minerva blah, blah, blah,” on the Quidditch team where I guess that showed us that she was on the Quidditch team? Or that her daughter was. I think we speculated that she had a daughter at the time. But I guess that’s the only thing.

Eric: Mhm. I mean, it’s interesting because for as much as we know about McGonagall, from reading the books, this is – it seems to come completely out of left field. Like, it’s plausible, it’s completely fitting with the character, but none of this was really ever into that. Like spouses. I think J.K. Rowling was asked once about spouses of Hogwarts headmasters, or of the professors. “What are they like? Did they live with them?” that kind of thing. And I think Jo said that it was really important and that it may come into play later, but what we find out here is that McGonagall has had this tragic history. Her own parents were kind of – their marriage was ruined because her mom was a witch and her dad was a Muggle. She ends up falling in love with a Muggle, has to tell him she’s a witch or cancel the relationship, so she cancels the relationship. And the guy who loves her – her boss at the Ministry of Magic – she refuses his proposals the first ten or twenty times until the Muggle that she was in love with dies. And then by that time, this guy is so old in age that he dies after only three years of marriage. Like, there’s this long tale of regret and secrecy versus all this other stuff.

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: What comes out of it is that Minerva has this moral code that she got from her father who was the minister, and that’s really all we see in the Harry Potter series, is that she’s a very – well, stern but also she has this sense of right and wrong.

Selina: Mhm. Yeah, that was one of the biggest things.

Micah: Mhm. Yeah, and I think you also get the foundation for her relationship with Dumbledore, and why she is so sort of dedicated to him throughout the series, and really kind of sticks by his side no matter what. It’s said that they have this really deep connecting conversation between the two of them, where he gives pieces of his backstory to her, which I’m assuming is about his sister and his brother and everything that happened when his sister was accidentally killed. So I think that that’s kind of a bonding moment for the two of them.

Eric: And I think at the end of the description, Jo describes both Professor McGonagall and Professor Dumbledore as being kind of reserved characters, and I thought – well actually, yeah, that’s right. They are – they do keep to themselves. Dumbledore’s backstory wasn’t even revealed until posthumously, until after he died. Then it was revealed by Rita Skeeter. But really, people don’t know – people know Dumbledore and people know McGonagall, but we don’t know that much about them in the books, reading through what their histories are all about, what made them who they are. And so all this McGonagall story about not only her parents and their struggles, but herself and what she went through is really cool to have. But does it make you read McGonagall in a new light, or is this something where it’s totally extra? We get it from J.K. Rowling but it won’t influence our reading in the Harry Potter books because…

Micah: No, I think it’s…

Eric: My argument for that is that…

Micah: …meant as extra.

Eric: Yeah, go on.

Micah: Yeah, I think it’s meant as extra. I don’t think it’s meant to influence your reading necessarily of the series, because that all takes place in a separate time than the information that you’re getting. You brought up the Hatstall earlier, I thought that that’s really a cool thing, that essentially her and Flitwick could have switched spots, and one could have been the head of Ravenclaw, the other the head of Gryffindor, depending on what the Hat decided. I mean, I was a Hatstall when I did it. I don’t know if anybody else on here was.

Selina: No. [laughs]

Eric: No.

Selina: Very jealous. [laughs]

Eric: That’s super cool.

Selina: That’s so cool.

Eric: Yeah, I’m jealous, too.

Micah: So I had the…

Eric: So you got to pick your House on Pottermore?

Micah: Yes. I had the choice between Ravenclaw and Slytherin.

Selina: Oh, cool!

Andrew: And you picked Ravenclaw?

Micah: Yup.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, I wouldn’t want to choose Slytherin.

Selina: No. [laughs]

Eric: Well, a Hatstall is something completely new. It’s completely Pottermore, you know?

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: And it’s cool because then J.K. Rowling was able to say, “Well no, it’s always existed, because you have these characters McGonagall and Flitwick who were Hatstalls, I always knew that.” But it’s never mentioned in the books because it’s not relevant. Isn’t it like when the Sorting Hat – well, the Sorting Hat can’t decide, obviously, but takes a certain amount of time to decide. And ultimately it does decide but it’s stumped, you stumped the Sorting Hat with what you’ve got. And I don’t think Harry could be considered a Hatstall, right? Because it didn’t really take that much time. Or could he? Was the Sorting Hat just speculating, or what’s going on?

Selina: Don’t know.

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Pottermore Discussion: McGonagall Backstory (continued)


Micah: Are Hatstalls explained a little bit more in Pottermore? I’m trying to remember, because I feel like somebody said that Hermione was a Hatstall.

Eric: Oh.

Micah: Or am I making that up?

Selina: No, I think Hermione just had the choice that Harry did, didn’t she? Or did she say – oh no, she just said something like, “Oh, the hat couldn’t decide for ages whether it wanted me in Ravenclaw or Gryffindor but it chose Gryffindor in the end.”

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: So she didn’t actually choose.

Micah: That’s possible.

Eric: The hat chooses – it’s possible. I think Harry – and Hermione, to some extent – had this dialogue with the hat – everybody has this dialogue with the hat. But to be a Hatstall, you really need to stump the hat. I think that’s if it takes longer than five minutes to decide, that kind of thing, then is when the issue is. Obviously with Flitwick and Minerva, they joke in later years that they could have each other’s jobs, because both of them could have equally been in the other house. But the hat, in the end, chose Ravenclaw for Flitwick and Gryffindor for McGonagall.

Selina: Mhm.

Eric: Just very fascinating stuff.

Selina: Yeah. I mean, I definitely felt – I really enjoyed reading all of this stuff on McGonagall, because even though it doesn’t have anything to do with the actual books, it still just shows the richness of the world. But I almost felt like – while I was reading it, I was almost waiting for some kind of twist. And I know maybe that’s just me being too demanding, because all of these small stories can’t have something, but – I mean, did any of you guys feel that? Like, were you waiting for some kind of small revelation of some kind, or do you think we already got that?

Micah: Who specifically? Are you referring to anyone in particular?

Selina: I meant for – yeah, but for either of them. Like, really because there was so much speculation during the books that, “Oh, the Dursleys were going to have some kind of huge role to play,” and then we never got that. So I thought, “Okay, well, maybe in the extra material -” or even with McGonagall, because I think J.K. Rowling once said, “Oh, the reason I can’t tell you anything about the spouses is because it might come up in a later book of the Heads of House.”

Eric: And then it never did.

Selina: And then it never did.

Eric: Yeah, and the fact that McGonagall marries someone who we’ve never heard about – is that kind of what you’re saying?

Micah: What’s his name, Eric?

Eric: Okay…

Micah: Say his name.

Selina: Like, I expected it to be more. [laughs]

Eric: Urquart? Elph Urquart? What is it?

[Selina laughs]

Micah: It sounds right to me.

Eric: Elphinstone Urquart. Okay, so she marries this guy who we’ve never heard about before or after. It’s important that she marries him, okay? It’s important that she lets love in.

Selina: [laughs] Aww, I guess.

Eric: But ultimately it only lasts three years and she’s left a widow. And she didn’t really deserve that, she deserves…

Selina: And she kept her own name.

Eric: …happiness. Yeah, she didn’t change her name, which was – I think that was a twist, right?

Selina: [laughs] A huge twist.

Eric: That her parents…

Micah: They say she’s a bit of a feminist.

Eric: A bit of a feminist, right? So that’s kind of cool, I guess, that she would’ve changed her name but she didn’t. I mean, she could’ve gotten married, changed her name, and then changed it back, considering we only met her after she was widowed.

Selina: And she was a bit of a gold digger. I bet that was a bit of a twist.

Eric: No, no – [laughs] in case there was any question whether or not that song applies to her.

Selina: [laughs] Yes.

Andrew: Did we get through these questions?

Selina: I think so.

Eric: My biggest question, though, was that Dumbledore teaches or guides McGonagall, presumably while she’s in school, how to become an Animagus. So I thought that was just really interesting because there was all that speculation for a while that Dumbledore – his symbol is the phoenix, but also that he could turn into a phoenix. Not Fawkes. Not to be confused with Fawkes, but the phoenix and Dumbledore kind of have this thing going on. So it was a question whether or not Dumbledore himself was an Animagus. Turns out he teaches McGonagall how to turn into one successfully.

Andrew: But as you have quoted in all caps, “‘GUIDES’ her to successfully become.” So maybe – could he have led her to somebody who could – who is an Animagus and who could have taught her?

Eric: Maybe. It looked like one-on-one tutelage is the way it read to me, was one-on-one time, which was also interesting because…

Micah: But he’s Transfiguration teacher.

Eric: Well, he is the Transfiguration teacher, but… [sighs]

Micah: And don’t the Marauders teach themselves how to become Animagus? Or Animagi?

Eric: They do teach themselves, so I guess it can’t be too hard, right? But they could have used…

Micah: Well, it’s probably hard. I mean, they’re not idiots.

Eric: Yeah.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Eric: No. Okay, good point.

Andrew: And has it been said before that one [laughs] Animagus has to bequeath the…

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: …information onto another?

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: I’m just saying for Dumbledore to teach McGonagall and then twenty years later or thirty, forty years later for the Marauders to do it without Dumbledore’s help. It’s interesting to compare the two, I think.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, that’s fair. I wish we knew if McGonagall ever had feelings for Dumbledore. Because obviously we knew he doesn’t for her, but did she? Could she have?

Eric: There’s this mutual trust and respect. I mean, we see her in the books defending him all the time, and I think that’s just because of those – she knows that he’s had kind of a messed-up past just like she has. And he has been there for her. She gave him – she hated her job at the Ministry. There was too much of this anti-Muggle bias and stuff. She hated her job there, wrote to Hogwarts, within hours he gets back to her and says, “Sure, come be a Transfiguration teacher under my department of Transfiguration.” So I think she does feel like she owes him a lot, that he’s been a great friend to her.

Andrew: Dumbledore seems to have been a bit of an emotional friend as well, when she was going through the hard times.

Eric: A shoulder to cry on.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: An Oprah.

Micah: Yeah, I mean – and I know we kind of give Pottermore it’s fair share of flack for a lot of things, but kind of reading through this – and even there was this one thing at the very end where they talk about McGonagall going back to Hogwarts and saying that she “returned to her sparse stone-floored bedroom in Hogwarts Castle, accessible through a concealed door in the wall of her first-floor study.” That’s detail only J.K. Rowling would give, and it reminded me a lot of reading the books. She didn’t have to say, “Hey, it’s behind this concealed door in her first-floor study,” but those are things that people want to know. I feel like people will continuously ask questions as it relates to these characters and this world, and you always wonder, “Well, where does McGonagall sleep? Where does she go at night?” And now you have that answer. Well, maybe you don’t want to know that specifically, but…

Selina: Yay! [laughs]

Micah: …you get what I’m saying.

Eric: No, no…

Selina: I can rest now.

Eric: Yeah, well, any of the professors, right? Because the only time we see them is really in the Great Hall.

Selina: Mhm.

Eric: But they all have offices, they all presumably sleep in the castle, they live in the castle, so where do they – the only person whose office we’ve been to – well, I guess Snape’s and then Dumbledore’s, right?

Selina: I felt like…

Eric: But each of…

Selina: I felt like I knew this already, but maybe I’ve just been reading fan fiction.

[Micah laughs]

Selina: Like, I don’t know, didn’t we go to Lupin’s room at one point? [laughs]

Eric: What, involving Minerva in her bedroom?

Selina: No!

[Eric laughs]

Selina: Like, where they slept, all the teachers. I felt like we went to Lupin’s room at some point in canon. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, I think that was kind of assumed, that they lived in the castle, because they’re always there at night.

Micah: Yeah, but I’m saying there’s…

Eric: Well, yeah, they have to.

Micah: This is just another one of those things that kind of leads to another, like, okay, you’re talking about McGonagall, but how much about Hogwarts don’t we know? Like, how many passages and rooms and things exist there that weren’t on the Marauder’s Map that we still have yet to learn?

Andrew: Hopefully we’ll find out in the encyclopedia.

Selina: Yeah.


Listener Tweets: Dursley and McGonagall Backstory


Andrew: Well, we got some tweets from those of you who follow us on Twitter. We had asked, “What do you think of -” I don’t know what the tweet said, exactly. [laughs] What did the tweet say?

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Andrew: It said:

“For those who have read the Dursley and McGonagall backstory in Pottermore, tell us what you think, we’ll share on Episode 253.”

Micah: Wow, Andrew, how did you figure that out so fast?

Andrew: I’ve always had the MuggleCast Twitter ready at my disposal. So, we got some replies. emiillyy224 said:

“I absolutely loved that Vernon amused James. McGonagall’s was heartbreaking and shows she’s even more badass than we thought.”

Did it really make her badass? I mean…

Selina: She had a hard life, yeah.

Andrew: She’s been through a lot, I’ll give her that.

Selina: And she kept fighting.

Eric: They talk about her having this moral code. I think what’s badass about her is that she denies herself involvement with this Muggle because she knows her parents’ relationship didn’t work out, so she kind of – and it said that the reason she doesn’t tell him that she’s a witch is because of the International Statute of Secrecy or whatever, so I guess that’s a little badass because she’s obeying the law.

Andrew: Yeah, that makes sense.

Selina: Yeah, and she didn’t want to work for the Ministry because of their stance on Muggles. I thought that was pretty badass.

Micah: And the Quidditch, I thought that was badass.

Selina: [laughs] Yeah.

Eric: She’s – Quidditch, yeah!

Andrew: Yeah, that is cool. Nathan_Wingert writes:

“Dursley backstory is very interesting in light of Book 7 and the revelation that Petunia wanted to go to Hogwarts.”

Gonzalo Collarte says:

“Liked how they explained how the Dursleys did see James and Lily a few times before they died and what happened, that was good!”

Yeah, that was a question, I think, a lot of people always wondered; how close were the two couples? Marcia wrote:

“It makes me admire McGonagall even more, if that’s possible.”

Cris writes:

“That McGonagall might have switched places with Flitwick blew my mind. The family cat did bidding before she could talk… whoa.”

[Andrew and Selina laugh]

Eric: The family cat did bidding? Oh, right! That’s a little bit that – McGonagall’s mother tells her that even before she could walk and talk, the cat was [laughs] performing tasks that the baby Minerva wanted.

Selina: That is so cool! [laughs]

Eric: Whatever that might have been. [laughs] And also, baby Minerva made, what, her father’s bagpipes play from rooms away? Wasn’t it?

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: Yeah. So Scottish of her. [laughs]

Eric: Cute little things. Baby McGonagall was pretty powerful, apparently.

Andrew: And finally, Veronica writes:

“I loved McGonagall’s backstory! After knowing her history and then looking at her in the books makes me love her even more.”

Eric: So there’s our answer.

Andrew: So hopefully we’ll get lots more backstories in the coming – in the future Pottermore books and get connected to the characters more.

Micah: How do you think this rated, though, amongst sort of the content that’s been available so far? Do you guys like this kind of stuff?

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Do you think it’s not interesting?

Andrew: This is some of the better stuff, I thought.

Selina: Yeah, I agree. I loved the McGonagall stuff, especially.

Andrew: Because the backstories are very encyclopedic which is what people have been wanting for so long. So, if there are a few of these in each book – jumping back to that interview – I think in one of the interviews with the Pottermore CEO, he said Chamber of Secrets is going to be better than Sorcerer’s Stone. So, to me, hopefully that means more backstories.

Micah: Right. And I know there was just one more thing, Eric, that you had here but – I mean, we did get very, very briefly mentions of Minerva’s siblings and her parents, but we didn’t really find out much of what happened to them beyond…

Eric: Yeah, her brothers have kids, so that’s great. I mean, she not only has younger brothers but Minerva McGonagall – her kids – her brothers have kids and so presumably – I don’t know why they’re not at Hogwarts is I guess my biggest, biggest question because it’s the only school in the area for them to go to.

Selina: Well, they might be out of Hogwarts.

Eric: That’s true, age-wise.

Selina: Because they’d probably be – yeah, they’d probably be too old to go to Hogwarts, and maybe – I don’t know why they – I don’t know. [laughs] Their kids wouldn’t be at Hogwarts, maybe that’s too much to ask. Maybe they’re at Durmstrang.

Eric: Right. [laughs] But interesting to know that she does have younger brothers, though, and so that’s kind of cool. I kind of pictured her as an only, not an eldest. Are those the terms? I guess so. But super cool.


Birthday Shout-Out


Andrew: Okay. So, that’s it for that discussion this week. And maybe we’ll do more Pottermore stuff next time?

Eric: Yeah, maybe.

Andrew: We have to look through it more, see what else is available.

Eric: There’s some good little stuff here and there that really…

Micah: Yeah, there’s stuff on Quirrell, I think, right? A little bit of backstory?

Andrew: Oh, right. A little bit. A little bit.

Eric: Got to read more on Quirrell.

Andrew: Eric, to wrap up the show, you have a birthday wish.

Eric: I have a birthday announcement. I want to wish my…

Andrew: Birthday announcement.

Micah: It was your birthday, wasn’t it, recently?

Eric: Yes. Well…

Andrew: Oh, yeah!

Selina: Yeah, it was!

Andrew: Isn’t it a bit full of yourself to wish yourself a happy birthday? We can do it.

[Micah and Selina laugh]

Eric: Oh, it’s not – it could be, it could be. No, I’m not talking about my own birthday, I’m talking about the birthday of my girlfriend Jeanna, and she listens to our show and has for a couple of years now, and probably hasn’t gotten a birthday announcement before, so…

Selina: Awww, yay!

Andrew: Awww. Well, Happy Birthday!

Selina: Happy Birthday!

Eric: Happy Birthday!

Andrew: That’s wonderful. Now, does she have a podcast to announce your birthday on?

Eric: They’re starting – she’s kind of involved in the beginnings of one.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Eric: But I won’t require that of her. I’m…

[Selina laughs]

Eric: My birthday? Maybe next year. We’ll see how popular her podcast gets, let’s say that.


Announcement: Ascendio 2012 & LeakyCon 2012


Andrew: Okay. And also, we want to remind everybody about Ascendio and LeakyCon. That’s the two events that we’re going to be at coming up this summer. Ascendio is the first one, happening in July.

Eric: July 12th to the 15th.

Andrew: Oh, beautiful. In Orlando, Florida, at the Loews Portofino Bay Hotel. It’s one of Universal’s official properties. You can still register now. Just visit HP2012.org. HP2012.org, and there will be – still don’t know what the MuggleCast thing is going to be there, but that TBA. And then all four of us will be at LeakyCon 2012, which is LeakyCon.com. It’s going to be August – [laughs] every time I talk about this on the show…

[Selina laughs]

Micah: 9th to the 12th.

Andrew: …I am typing in the URL as I talk about them.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Because of the dates and I can never remember. Yeah, August 9th to the 12th in Chicago, and that, of course, registration is open as well. Tons of stuff happening there, and we will be doing a full-fledged podcast there. We know that so far. So two places we’re going to be.

Micah: Probably a post-game meet-up, right? Oh, sorry. Post-podcast meet-up?

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, maybe.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Everybody just meet at a restaurant or something. It’s more fun than standing in the hallway. [laughs]

Eric: Agreed.

Andrew: And plus, we have to celebrate the seven-year anniversary of MuggleCast, which is practically that week or something.

Eric: Guys, seven years.

Selina: Wow.

Andrew: Mhm. Special stuff.

Selina: That’s amazing, you guys.

Micah: Signing off!

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Goodbye!

Eric: Oh, I have to say, I’ve seen a few sketches of the T-shirts this year.

Andrew: Oh, cool.

Eric: And they look awesome!

Andrew: I haven’t seen those.

Eric: Yes, we’re going to – she’s going to send them on over.

Andrew: Cool.

Eric: But, no, I saw some sketches. I think they’re going to be great. There will be an opportunity to support the show by getting a MuggleCast seven year T-shirt.


Show Close


Andrew: Nice. And finally, a reminder for MuggleCast.com. It has all the information you need about the show. There, you can subscribe and review us on iTunes. You can follow us on Twitter, Twitter.com/MuggleCast. You can like us on Facebook, which is Facebook.com/MuggleCast. And of course the fan Tumblr, which is MuggleCast.Tumblr.com.

[Show music begins]

Andrew: And also there, you can get the latest episodes, read the latest transcripts, check up on the tweets, check out the Wall of Fame – everything you want to do, it’s right there at MuggleCast.com. Thanks everyone for listening. From Hypable.com, I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: From MuggleNet.com, I’m Eric Scull.

Micah: From MuggleNet.com, I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Selina: And from Hypable.com, I’m Selina Wilken.

Andrew: See everybody next time for Episode 254. Goodbye!

Eric: 254.

Selina: Bye, guys!

Eric: Good night!

Micah: Bye!

[Show music continues]

Transcript #252

MuggleCast 252 Transcript


Show Intro


[“Hedwig’s Theme” plays]

Andrew: Because we won’t judge a book by its cover, this is MuggleCast Episode 252 for April 23rd, 2012.

[Show music begins]

Andrew: This week’s episode is brought to you by Audible.com, the Internet’s leading provider of audiobooks, with more than 100,000 downloadable titles across all types of literature, including fiction, non-fiction, and periodicals. For a free audiobook of your choice, go to AudiblePodcast.com/MuggleCast.

[Show music continues]

Andrew: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 252! Andrew, Eric, Micah – that first one is me, by the way. I’m Andrew.

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: And a new host this year. You may recognize her if you listen to some of the other podcasts we do. Maybe Game of Owns, maybe Hunger Games Chat, maybe Secret Diaries Chat.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Selina Wilken, hailing from Sweden. Hello, Selina.

Selina: Hi, Andrew. [laughs]

Andrew: Good to have you on MuggleCast.

Selina: I’m glad to be here, thank you.

Andrew: You’re penetrating all the podcasts.

Selina: I am.

Andrew: It’s too much!

Selina: It’s like a virus.

Andrew: Get out of here!

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: Shoo!

Selina: The Swedish virus.

Andrew: No, we wanted to have you on because you’ll be joining us at LeakyCon this summer, and we need an international host and a female host. So you kill two birds with one stone.

Selina: Yeah! Exactly. Hopefully people will be happy that I can represent the whole world and all the women!

Andrew: Exactly.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Andrew: Exactly. [laughs]

Micah: Well, I’m glad we keep the Sweden joke running on the show.

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: [laughs] I know.

Eric: Across shows.

Andrew: But as always, we’re here to talk about Harry Potter on this podcast. And there’s lots of interesting news, actually, going on with J.K. Rowling. It was a huge week for J.K. Rowling, about two weeks ago now. So we’re going to talk about all the announcements that she dropped in a period of, like, four days. And also, J.K. Rowling is not the only Harry Potter person who may be writing a new book. Hmm? So we’ll talk about that in a little bit as well.

Micah: Are you writing a book?

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: No. Are you?

Micah: No.

Andrew: Oh.

Micah: Well, that narrows it.

Andrew: From Hypable, I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: From MuggleNet, I’m Eric Scull.

Micah: From MuggleNet, I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Selina: And from Hypable, I am Selina Wilken.


News: J.K. Rowling Tweets About Site Relaunch


Andrew: So Micah, what is in the news this week?

Micah: Well Andrew, you said it was a big week. Probably about two weeks ago…

Andrew: I did say that.

Micah: …at this point…

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: …for J.K. Rowling. And just a lot of news from her, and we hadn’t heard from her in quite a while other than the random tweets that she would…

[Selina laughs]

Micah: …post on her Twitter feed. You didn’t think I was going to let that slip by? I had the opportunity and I just seized it right there.

Eric: Good for you.

Andrew: So now… [laughs]

Micah: I still don’t follow her on Twitter, by the way.

Selina: Aww. [laughs]

Micah: But this proves that when big news is announced, I still found out about it.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: I didn’t have to follow her on Twitter.

Andrew: You didn’t need her.

Selina: She didn’t tweet about any of this, did she?

Andrew: She retweeted Pottermore, I think.

Eric: I think she said, “FYI,” right? And then linked to her website or something? It was a ridiculous tweet. She didn’t use even half of the 140 characters she could have.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: Yeah, she retweeted Pottermore. She – oh no, that was in March. She retweeted Little, Brown, about the new novel. And she said, “My new author website is now live.”

Micah: That probably got them…

Andrew: She really is boring on Twitter, it’s true.

Micah: You think that got them a few followers?

Selina: No hashtags? Nothing?

Andrew: I have to say, she is probably – honestly, and somebody – if anybody could prove me wrong, please feel free to let me know. But she may be the most boring Twitter person with over a million followers.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Who has a million people at their command and is so boring on Twitter?

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Andrew: Seriously!

Eric: Boring mixed with non-existent.

Micah: She did say…

Eric: She has no presence there.

Micah: She created the account to basically…

Eric: Ward off all the posers.

Selina: Fakers, yeah.

Micah: Exactly, thanks. That’s what I was trying to say.

Andrew: Okay, but a couple of months ago I wrote a list of ways she could easily improve this Twitter account to make it very – to make it entertaining!

Selina: She didn’t even retweet that or anything!

Andrew: Right!

Selina: What is she doing? [laughs]

Andrew: Right. Well no, no, I’m not saying she should retweet them.

Selina: Yeah, yeah, I know.

Andrew: I’m saying she should…

Selina: Read them.

Andrew: …do what I said! [laughs]

Eric: I’ve got to look that list up. I’m sure it’ll be great, but…

Andrew: It’s stuff like throwing in little tidbits about the Harry Potter books, quotes – throw in quotes about Harry Potter. Those would get retweeted a million times. Quotes from the Harry Potter books. Little stuff like that. Do a Q&A. I mean, come on. The possibilities are endless. It’s very easy.

Micah: Why so passionate about Twitter, though? That’s what I want to know. Because clearly there are other things like Facebook where people probably pose as her, and other places around the Internet. Why did she pick Twitter out of everything to kind of validate herself on?

Andrew: I don’t know.

Micah: But…

Andrew: I don’t know.

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News: J.K. Rowling’s The Casual Vacancy Announced


Micah: The Casual Vacancy has been announced as J.K. Rowling’s next project, and the book will be released on Thursday, September 27th. And there’s a brief synopsis here that was actually posted on Little, Brown Agency’s website. Who wants to read it?

Eric: So it’s not called The Lairs of Lady Po?

Micah: [laughs] No, it’s not. But…

Selina: That was a bit of a better title. [laughs]

Micah: Oh. Well, thank you!

Eric: Oh thanks, Selina. You’re talking to the two guys who came up with it. [laughs] I’ll read it.

Andrew: So here’s the…

Eric: Do you want me to read it?

Andrew: Oh, you have it?

Eric: Yeah, I’ve got it.

“‘The Casual Vacancy’

When Barry Fairweather dies unexpectedly in his early forties, the little town of Pagford is left in shock.

Pagford is, seemingly, an English idyll, with a cobbled market square and an ancient abbey, but what lies behind the pretty façade is a town at war.

Rich at war with poor, teenagers at war with their parents, wives at war with their husbands, teachers at war with their pupils…Pagford is not what it first seems.

And the empty seat left by Barry on the parish council soon becomes the catalyst for the biggest war the town has yet seen. Who will triumph in an election fraught with passion, duplicity and expected revelations?”

Andrew: Unexpected.

Eric: [continues]

“…and unexpected revelations?

Blackly comic, thought-provoking and constantly surprising, ‘The Casual Vacancy’ is J.K. Rowling’s first novel for adults.”

Selina: I’m sorry…

Andrew: I think this sounds really good. I think this synopsis gets me excited for it. It sounds intelligent. It sounds witty.

Eric: You know what I’m going to say, Andrew? Barry? Really?

Andrew: Yeah, Barry…

Selina: [laughs] I know. And Padfoot? Or whatever the town is called?

Eric: Pagford? When I read…

Andrew: Well – but Barry is actually a pretty minor character because it looks like he dies at the beginning.

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: Which is – Barry and – maybe Jo is saying, “I’ve moved on from Harry.”

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Barry, Harry.

Eric: Because I’m going to kill off…

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: They both die.

Eric: Barry character. Yeah, you’re right. This synopsis reminded me of the first chapter of the fourth book of Harry Potter, where she’s talking about the residents of Little Hangleton.

Selina: That is a good point.

Eric: Or Upper Hangleton. And how they hate each other and the bar is full of these people who are disingenuous. That’s what this reminded me of, and so – I don’t know, that’s what I liked about it, I guess, is that it seemed kind of familiar and that it would be like a whole book based on – or a whole book that is kind of like the first one. I leave it up to her to surprise me and make it different, because I’m sure she will.

Selina: Mhm.

Eric: It’s going to be a really riveting book, I think.

Selina: I mean, it definitely has that J.K. Rowling feel when you just read that description. You can tell it was written by J.K. Rowling or even – I don’t know if you guys know this author, but he’s called Jeff Ford. It kind of reminded me – he’s a big author, a British author. It kind of reminded me of one of his books, actually, which is interesting. But – it just does. But at the same time, it almost sounds like a story set in the Muggle world but it’s kind of the same world. Obviously that’s not what it is, but because it’s so similar to something, as you said, that we could have read about Little Hangleton, you know?

Eric: Hmm.

Selina: I’m not sure that’s a good thing. I’m really excited for this book, but at the same time, I don’t know.

Andrew: Now, it doesn’t seem like this is going to be a series.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Right? And that was a question a lot of people were wondering, if Jo’s next book would be the start of another series. But it doesn’t seem like it, unless each book in the series, somebody leaves the…

Eric: The parish council? [laughs]

Andrew: Right, the council. And they’ve got to find somebody new.

Eric: No, I think…

Selina: But…

Andrew: Right, so no series.

Selina: Can I ask, what – [laughs] as a non-English native speaker, what is a casual vacancy? Is it something?

Andrew: Well, the vacancy would be the spot that’s open left by Barry Fairweather. The casual part, I think – maybe it just means this vacancy on the council is quite standard but there’s a big deal…

Eric: Surrounding it.

Andrew: The vacancy is actually a big deal, yeah.

Selina: Okay.

Andrew: Does that make sense?

Selina: It makes kind of sense, yeah.

Andrew: It’s kind of sarcastic.

Eric: Like I guess if you’re in an elected position, you’re going out anyway in a couple of years.

Andrew: And you would think it would be pretty simple to replace the person, but…

Eric: Yeah, I think it’s tongue-in-cheek that it’s casual, because clearly…

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: …this one guy leaving for that reason has caused the whole town to go up in arms.

Selina: Mhm.

Andrew: Overall, though, I do agree, it is a pretty bland title.

Selina: It’s a very passive title.

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: ‘Casual’ and ‘vacancy’. It’s kind of like, “Huh.” [laughs]

Eric: Somebody is not there.

Selina: It’s not like “The Very Exciting Empty Space” or something. You know what I mean? [laughs]

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: Yeah. Yeah, she’s…

Andrew: Maybe that’s why the synopsis opens up with the name of a character so you can get some sort of direct connection to this. Because, honestly, the first week I had serious trouble remembering the title.

Selina: Mhm.

Andrew: I kept saying, “The casual – the casual – the casual what?” So yeah, this is – I guess it’s an adult book title.

Eric: One of the…

Selina: It’s very British as well.

Eric: Well, that should be a good thing then, that she hasn’t lost her identity living up there in Scotland. But I think, too, the other thing – the other book that this reminds me of, or it sounds like to me. There’s a book by Stephen King who has – he and J.K. Rowling have a little bit of a relationship. He’s written in all of her books and stuff. And we saw them together – Andrew and Micah – in New York. But one of his books called Needful Things is this excellent book. Of course he did write a series set in this fictional town of Castle Rock, Maine, and at the very end of it this…

Micah: Caster the Rock?

Selina: Casa Rock, yeah. [laughs]

Eric: No, Castle Rock. Which is why when you guys say that on Game of Owns, I’m like, “Oh my God, it’s just like Stephen King.” So Castle Rock – anyway, this last book that he wrote set in this town, Needful Things – basically this guy opens up shop here and learns all the secrets that everybody in the whole town is hiding and uses it – and their prejudices against one another and uses it against them to literally destroy the town, which is really cool. But it reminded me of that.

Andrew: So are you guys excited for this book? After reading the summary, now we’ve got the title, there was all this hoopla in the Harry Potter fandom.

Eric: Well Andrew, you wrote that news post that said, “Will there be midnight parties for it?”

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: What do you think now? Do you think The Casual Vacancy is…

Andrew: I still think so.

Eric: …too boring a title to…

Andrew: No. No, I don’t think that that will affect it at all. I mean, booksellers, I think, want to get in on this excitement, too. So – and one way to do that would be to have midnight-release parties.

Selina: Well, I’m super-excited because, as much as sort of I agreed with you, Andrew – when I first heard the title, it was kind of like, “Oh my God, new book!” And then like, “Okay.” [laughs] You had that moment of going, “Oh, Casual Vacancy.” But now – I mean, if nothing else, however well this book does – I’m sure it’s going to do amazing – but whatever I think of this book, it is going to mean the continuation of the Potter fandom. I mean, the fact that J.K. Rowling is writing a new book, almost…

Andrew: And here’s a question…

Selina: …no matter what it’s about. You know what I mean?

Andrew: Yeah. Here’s a question: Does the Harry Potter fandom morph into something else?

Selina: No, I think it will always be the Potter fandom.

Andrew: Or will we always call it the Harry Potter fandom? Or do we call it something else? I mean, does it one day become the J.K. Rowling fandom?

Eric: Well, it would have to be, right? If it’s no longer about Harry Potter.

Selina: I don’t know.

Eric: But that’s the thing. We’re so touched by the Harry Potter books, but we have to – we can’t necessarily separate the Harry Potter books from J.K. Rowling, the author who wrote them. So a large portion of us will be following her through everything else she writes.

Selina: Mhm.

Eric: And we’ll expect to be spoken to in the same way that the Harry Potter – and I’m not saying that this is Jo’s fault or even anything she can control. I’m saying I think that a huge portion of us will just be watching her every move because very early on, her first works got us so hooked up into her writing that now there’s no way she can do this book without it having the attention of almost every Harry Potter fan.

Selina: Right.

Eric: Even though I don’t think it’s going to have even a reference to Harry Potter in it, and it shouldn’t.

Micah: That’s a great point though, because I had done an interview where somebody had asked, “What do you think the success of this series is going to -” I shouldn’t say ‘series’ “- this book is going to be with respect to Harry Potter?” And I said there’s no way that you can come close to the success of Potter. This book is not going to do as well. You’re not going to have the same readership, in my opinion. You’re going to lose people from Potter because this is a completely different genre that she’s going into, but she may pick up some other people who are interested in this kind of a story, which seems to be a political thriller or a mystery of some sort. So I think there’s going to be drop-off. You’re not going to have the same base of people that are going to continue on to read her work moving forward if it differs from that fantasy world that she has created.

Selina: Yeah, and I totally agree with that and I think – to further what Eric said, I think that people will – we will, all of us, will obviously follow J.K. Rowling to whatever she does and I think many of her fans will. But I think we will always be the Harry Potter fandom. I don’t think we will become The Casual Vacancy fandom. [laughs] That just sounds dumb.

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: You know what I mean? We will always – because Harry Potter is what brought us all into this conglomeration of all this stuff that we do, and I think that, yeah, we will follow J.K. Rowling, we will follow Daniel Radcliffe, but it will always be because of Harry Potter.

Micah: But Andrew, you asked before also about how the title sounded and if people could sort of rally behind it, but what do you think ten years ago, twelve years ago, people thought about Harry Potter? Do you think that there was ever that thought that, “Ehh, that sounds like a cool thing maybe some people can get behind”? Or “How stupid does that title sound”?

[Selina laughs]

Micah: “Who would ever be interested in that?”

Andrew: Hmm.

Micah: I mean, that’s kind of the same thing you’re saying about her new work, as well.

Selina: That’s true.

Andrew: Yeah, it still…

Micah: It doesn’t have that feeling to it, necessarily.

Andrew: Right, there has to be a brand built around it. But I think the problem people have with Casual Vacancy is it’s not a character title. It is very bland. For now.

Eric: I’m glad that it’s bland. It’s her first novel for adults. [laughs]

Andrew: Bland and generic, in a way. Yet a little clever, as we were just talking about.

Selina: Mhm.

Andrew: Like Eric said, it’s tongue-in-cheek and I agree with that completely. So yes, I think Casual Vacancy, the brand itself, will kind of grow and everybody will be like, “Wow, that title was actually so great.”

Micah: Don’t judge a book by its title, in this case.

Selina: [laughs] The title.

Andrew: Yes, exactly.

Selina: I had a really quick question for you guys I just thought of about this book. When you read the description, do you get any feel for what time period this is set in at all? Like, is it present time? Is it fifty years ago?

Eric: See, I…

Micah: They talk about war. I don’t know if that’s just her getting creative with language. I don’t really think there’s actual war going on where…

[Eric laughs]

Micah: …it’s like The Hunger Games and people…

Selina: [laughs] Right.

Micah: …are fighting against each other. I think it’s more…

Selina: [laughs] Futuristic.

Micah: …political war. But it’ll be interesting to see how that dynamic plays out, because it seems like everybody is pitted against each other. And we’ve seen strong political undertones in her work. I think about that first chapter of Half-Blood Prince when she makes reference to what a lot of people thought was President Bush at the time, and kind of how he’s this incompetent individual. I forget the exact line from that chapter but there’s a lot throughout the series, not just that book. It’s going to be interesting to see how much politics play into this, because it seems like a lot.

Eric: Yeah, I don’t know enough about British society to be able to deduce if this book summary sounds current, because I don’t know if – there’s a small – so she says it’s a small English town called Pagford where the parish council – everything revolves around a parish council seat. I don’t know how many small towns still care about that stuff, necessarily. That might be…

Selina: I think they do.

Eric: I don’t mean to be offensive by that.

Selina: Mhm. I think definitely it could be.

Eric: Yeah, I’m sure they do, which is why – but I don’t – I just don’t know.

Selina: It sounds a bit like the present of the Harry Potter novels again – obviously, to draw an obvious comparison – but it’s the kind of present where Dudley plays on a PlayStation and where – it’s present day but it’s also dated…

Eric: Removed a little bit?

Selina: …at the same time. Yeah. Does that makes sense?

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. So the book comes out September 27th. I do think there will be midnight release parties. You can already preorder it on Amazon and Barnes & Noble.

Micah: How much?

Andrew: I think – let me check again. It was discounted like Amazon usually does.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: It’s 21 dollars, discounted from 35. So that’s actually still pretty pricey.

Eric: September 27th is a Thursday. Is that supposed to be – so is it a Wednesday night release date?

Andrew: Do books normally come out that day of the week?

Eric: I mean, I assume Fridays, but Thursday is the 27th. I assume they’re not giving us the 27th at midnight, which means the 28th. They mean the 27th.

Andrew: Now, if I do recall, Harry Potter books did come out on Saturdays, correct?

Eric: Yeah, Friday into Saturday.

Andrew: For the midnight release parties.

Eric: Right.

Andrew: And again, they’re not designing this book around…

Eric: No.

Andrew: Or the release of the book around midnight release parties. I think Thursday is just fine.

Eric: Thursday. So we’re going to be out on Wednesday, hump day, school night. [laughs]

Andrew: And the book…

Eric: Already there’s less kids going to do it.

Andrew: Right. The book is 480 pages.

Eric: Wow.

Andrew: So it’s a sizable tome…

Eric: That is a tome.

Andrew: …that we’re working with.

Eric: Geez.

Andrew: No cover yet, but there’s a nice picture of J.K. Rowling on Amazon and Barnes & Noble. It’s a relatively new photo I think taken recently for publicity for the new book. And currently number 22 Amazon Bestsellers rank in the Books category, number 22. So that’s pretty good, actually, considering preorders started like a week ago and it’s still hanging in that spot. I wish I kept an eye on that rank to see it move up and down.

Micah: To answer your question though, Eric, it says that parish councils are in about 35 percent of England.

Eric: Look at that. Well – so what is it?

Micah: That’s according to Wikipedia.

Eric: It’s not parish like I think, right? It’s not religion?

Selina: Well it is, but it’s…

Micah: No, it has a religious tie.

Selina: Mhm. It is more – obviously, it is a political system. But it is one of the rural setups and it is based on the church, but I don’t think – it’s not about the church, if that makes sense.

Eric: Kind of like a youth group.

Selina: Maybe.

Micah: Well, they have the power to raise taxes, it says.

Eric: Wow.

Selina: [laughs] So it’s a big war.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: All right, let’s…

Eric: Well, rich against poor, right? And teens against parents?

Micah: Too much theorizing going on already.

Eric: Yeah.

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News: Daniel Radcliffe Wants to Write Professionally


Andrew: So – well quickly, we’ll also mention that J.K. Rowling – well, before we get to that, because that leads into the next story, I just want to mention a little side story here. Dan Radcliffe said in a new interview recently that he “really wants to write professionally in the future.” So Dan is a jack of all trades here and I think he could be a good writer. I mean, he’s very intelligent. If you’ve ever heard him speak about world issues or just speaking about what he reads – I mean, he’s a huge reader himself, very well spoken, very intelligent. I think he could come up with a great book. He just needs a good idea.

Selina: [laughs] Yeah, that was kind of the main thing.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s…

Eric: Well, do you think he’d ever have trouble publishing? [laughs]

Andrew: No, absolutely not.

Selina: He has a good name for a front cover, doesn’t he? You can see it: Radcliffe.

Eric: Daniel.

Andrew: Dan Radcliffe.

Selina: Daniel Radcliffe.

Andrew: Star of How To Succeed In Business

Selina: Yes, and Equus.

Eric: And a little movie series…

Micah: Yes, that was his biggest accomplishment.

Eric: …called Harry Potter. Yeah.

[Andrew and Selina laugh]

Andrew: Maybe – see, I can see him releasing a book under a pen name. Because he wouldn’t want – I don’t think he’d want the attention.

Eric: I don’t know, I think he’d try – he’s constantly trying to prove that he is not pigeon holed.

Andrew: He’s amazing.

Eric: No, just that he’s not – can do more than one thing and so this article that The Telegraph wrote – or is it the Hypable one? – just calls him a jack of all trades. So that’s…

Andrew: I had the idea. [laughs]

Eric: Well, it’s true. So he’s already succeeded in proving that he can do more than Harry Potter.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: But I think he would continue that, so I don’t think he would write under a pen name.

Andrew: Yeah, you’re probably right. I would read it, though. I would very much look forward to that.

Eric: Me too. Like you said, he’s really intelligent. So…

Andrew: What kind of book do you think he’d write? I say fantasy.

Selina: A thriller. A murder mystery.

Andrew: A thriller? Yeah, you could be right. Between Equus and The Woman in Black

Selina: Something really dark.

Eric: He’d write fiction. Yeah, I think he’d write fiction but I think it would be centered around adult characters. Like not even adolescents, but maybe adults.


News: JKRowling.com Relaunched, Mentions Harry Potter Encyclopedia


Andrew: So there was that but also in the J.K. Rowling big news week, she relaunched JKRowling.com. And there wasn’t much here. It’s a redesigned site, they took away all the nice features that people used to like over the years. There’s no more Fan Site Award, which is kind of a shame. The Harry Potter Fan Site Award where she recognized MuggleNet, Leaky, HPANA, Veritaserum, all of these. And so now it’s basically a timeline, and you can scroll back to the very beginning of her life, which is kind of nice but there’s nothing else really here except the FAQ section.

Eric: Right.

Andrew: And that is where some eagle-eyed Harry Potter fans spotted what, Micah?

Micah: [laughs] Well, it was interesting because I was talking to Andrew one morning – I forget, it was probably two weeks ago at this point – and I copied a piece of text from her site and I sent it to Andrew and I said, “Is this new?” Because she had mentioned in this post that she was still working on the encyclopedia. And I forget the exact quote, I’m sure we have it somewhere, but it was really the first confirmation we had gotten in a long time, especially since Pottermore had been announced, that she still had plans on doing this encyclopedia and giving the proceeds to charity.

Eric: Right. We were worried that…

Selina: I am so excited about this.

Eric: Yeah. We were worried that Pottermore had replaced the encyclopedia.

Andrew: Right. And the other thing – there was concern, “Well, is this new?” I mean, we knew she had in her mind that she was going to work on an encyclopedia. And I’ll tell you why this is new, and there’s no arguing with this: In June at the Pottermore press conference, she addressed this specifically. I’m going to quote it for you. Right now. Once I load it up.

Selina: [laughs] Okay.

Micah: Well here, do you want – oh sorry, go ahead.

Andrew: The question was, “Will there ever be a printed encyclopedia?” and this is what she said in June:

“Will there ever be a book? I don’t know at the moment. The world has kind of outstripped me in the sense that back in 1998 I generated a lot more material than would ever be put in the books. It was simply ridiculous that anyone – to me at the time, I thought, ‘Who would ever want to know the significance of these types of wand woods?'”

Then she goes on and on. And then she says again:

“Will there ever be an encyclopedia? Possibly.”

She said ‘possibly’.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: That is not a yes. That is not “I am working on this”. That is no confirmation that she is working on the book.

Micah: All right.

Andrew: So…

Micah: Flash forward.

Andrew: Fast forward.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: You’re right – to last week when this site was relaunched: “What about the Harry Potter encyclopedia, Jo?” She said:

“For a long time I have been promising an encyclopedia of Harry’s world, and I have started work on this – some of it forms the new content on Pottermore. It is likely to be a time…”

And here’s the other thing. She says:

“It is likely to be a time-consuming job.”

Which implies that she is on the cusp of this, not that she’s been working on it for ten years.

“It is likely to be a time-consuming job…”

Selina: [laughs] Right.

Eric: Yeah, future tense.

Andrew: [continues]

“…but when finished I shall donate all royalties to charity.”

So the difference between June and this past week is that she went from “Possibly there is going to be an encyclopedia” to “I am working on this now”. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: So…

Selina: She was probably doing The Casual Vacancy at that point, so she wasn’t able to think further ahead than that, you know?

Andrew: Yeah, right.

Eric: 480 pages is a lot of pages.

Andrew and Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: So there were some clear differences here, and this is news. And it got picked up everywhere, and rightfully so. And Harry Potter fans loved to hear this little update on the encyclopedia. And now there’s no going back. This is the first time we have heard from Jo, and it says she’s not going back. She has started on it now and it’s going to happen. Every other time before, it’s been possibly or way down the road.

Selina: Mhm. I’m just so, so relieved. I mean, I’m sure everybody is so relieved because when Pottermore came about – I mean, obviously I was like, “Yay, Pottermore!” but it just had that bitterness because I was like, “Well, I don’t want this instead of the encyclopedia. I don’t want to have to go into this chapter to read about whatever. I want to be able to look it up in a book,” you know? [laughs]

Andrew: Right.

Selina: Like a real Harry Potter geek that I am. And this is going to be great. Even if most of it will have been released in Pottermore, just getting it in a book by J.K. Rowling, that whole thing of her sort of having both what she thought about it and entries on each little thing – I mean, even if we don’t get it in twenty years, I will still be super excited. I will still be at the midnight premiere. [laughs]

Andrew: So when do you guys think it will come out? I mean, it has to be within…

Selina: Twenty years? [laughs]

Andrew: …I would say three years.

Selina: Really? I don’t think so.

Eric: I don’t think she’s likely to give herself a deadline like that. We still don’t know when Pottermore is going to stop releasing new content. I think she could totally wait on it, to be honest.

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: She’s busy raising her family, and she’s going to have to promote this book and that’s going to be some time off. Three years seems fair, but then again it’s been five years since Book 7 and nothing has happened. So it’s just…

Andrew: Well, then you could put it in the perspective of eight years after the final book came out, which is a long time.

Eric: Yeah, but why not make it an even ten? Just for…

Micah: [laughs] I was going to say that you also have Pottermore that will bridge that gap, so you will have new information that’s being released – she said as much in that quote – on Pottermore. I’m wondering how much more information does she have that’s going to appear in this encyclopedia that isn’t going to show up on Pottermore. There’s got to be some catch to it that people are going to want to go and buy it, because otherwise why not just go onto Pottermore and get it for free?

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Well, the “being in print form” works, although they could also sell it in the e-book store, now that they have that. But – so are you suggesting that – well, I always thought that what she was doing was – I thought she was replacing the encyclopedia idea with Pottermore. Because it’s more interactive, it’s more fun, and you can still disseminate new information. I thought – so say she has a whole pile…

Micah: I think a lot of us thought that, though.

Eric: Well, yeah. So say she has a whole pile of stuff that is extra that never made it into the books. She takes the most appealing stuff, the stuff we’re going to care about, and infuses it in the chapters of the books where they best fit. And that’s what I thought was going to happen, so no encyclopedia. Now, if she is writing this encyclopedia and wants it to benefit a charity, won’t she have to withhold stuff from Pottermore to put it into the encyclopedia? Or is the stuff in the encyclopedia – is it going to be known for the stuff that wouldn’t translate somehow to an interactive Flash format and instead be something like huge lists and stuff that are sprawling across the page? It would be a little difficult to get through that on Pottermore because it’s very text based.

Selina: Mhm. I mean, I’m hoping that the encyclopedia will be really visual. You’ll get her sketches of the characters, you’ll get the Black family tree as she envisioned it, you’ll get little pictures of Mandrakes or whatever, you’ll have that more hand-drawn interactivity along with all the text. So maybe that’s going to be…

Eric: That’s a good point, because she does draw a lot. We know that from her.

Selina: Yeah.

Micah: And that’s why it’s news though, right Andrew?

Andrew: Yeah, it’s news because she went from “Yeah, it’ll possibly happen” to “I’m working on it now, it’s happening”.

Micah: Absolutely.

Andrew: She said it’s happening! It’s happening now.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: She didn’t say that in June.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: It’s different.

Eric: So more about this J.K. Rowling – new website, this timeline. It’s pretty interesting.

Andrew: It’s so Facebook of her.

Eric: [laughs] I haven’t ñ well, how is it Facebook? Oh, because of the timeline?

Andrew: Well, because Facebook now it’s all about the timeline.

Eric: Yeah, and you can go back to birth and stuff. I’ve played around on here a little bit, but you can actually filter on the timeline the history of events of Harry Potter, J.K herself, and the new book. And what I thought about, which I just had to laugh, was when you separate everything but the new book, there’s only one entry in 2012 and it’s this book description that we just read. But there’s nothing about her tweeting incessantly – or rather I should say she barely – she just kept tweeting once every six months that she was still writing something, for two or three years. So I didn’t see that represented on her timeline, but I just think there is more to this Casual Vacancy book than the info about it. She could have done a little bit more to express her own desires to write the book, “When I actually knew that I was moving on from Harry” kind of ñ this date, and then following, “I secured a new publisher”, this date. I don’t know, it’s just not – I want more.

Micah: Yeah, and there’s that other piece though that she answers right underneath about the encyclopedia. And I think we obviously have heard this from her before, where she responds to the question about writing any more Harry Potter. And her response was that she’s never going to say ‘never’.

Eric: Well, not only that. I mean, there’s more to it than that, right?

Andrew: I mean, I think ñ I don’t think she’s ever going to write one at this point.

Selina: Yeah, I’m kind of the same.

Andrew: Another Harry Potter. It just seems odd. I think she’s just covering her bases just in case but I really don’t think that’s ever going to happen.

Eric: Well, she does say she has no immediate plans to write another Harry Potter novel, and she does think that she has rounded off Harry’s story in the seven published books. So if she does write a story…

Selina: Right.

Eric: We’ve talked about this. If she does write a story in the Harry Potter universe, wouldn’t it be about somebody else?

Andrew: Well, I think she’s implying she would only do it from Harry’s perspective.

Eric: I get that.

Selina: Well, I think that – I don’t know that she could do anything else with Harry though, because his story was so complete. I think if Jo is going to go back and do something in the world, she would either choose James or Albus Severus or someone in a completely different timeline. I would love a story about Godric Gryffindor or something. But I just don’t think she’s going to do it, because I think anything she does at this point is going to get compared to Harry Potter, and I think she’s really aware of that. And I think, maybe a bit like Daniel Radcliffe, she’s eager to show that [laughs] she can do other stuff. And I also just think that the pressure that would come with doing…

[Micah laughs]

Selina: …another Potter, it would be too much. I don’t think she would do it.

Micah: Read into it what you will. I mean, this is her response. She said:

“I have always refused to say ‘never’ to this question, because I think it would be foolish to rule out something I might want to do in a few years’ time. However, I have no immediate plans to write another ‘Harry Potter’ novel, and I do think that I have rounded off Harry’s story in the seven published books.”

Eric: So what she’s saying is she doesn’t want to rule something out that she might want to do in a few years’ time. So that’s the other thing, is – I guess from that, I inflect or I get that she isn’t burnt out from Harry completely. She is open to the possibility that she might want to write more Harry Potter in a few years’ time, which I really like because up until now I’ve been reading that – or not been reading, but I’ve just been guessing that Harry Potter really tired her out.

Micah: Well, I think it was the deadlines. I think it was the fact that she had to meet certain deadlines all the time, book after book after book after book. Now she’s taking a break. She can come back to it, and it doesn’t necessarily have to be – although it probably would be – a new series within that world.

Eric: Do you think she would bring Voldemort back?

[Andrew and Selina laugh]

Andrew: No.

Selina: And Dumbledore. [laughs]

Andrew: That would be very disappointing after all of this.

Eric: Well, if she did it from James’ perspective she could bring…

Andrew: Yeah, if it was like a prequel.

Eric: Yeah, then she could bring both Dumbledore and Voldemort back. How cool would that be?

Andrew: See, I would like a prequel.

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: It would be so good!

Andrew: I think more so, because…

Selina: I would love a prequel, yeah.

Andrew: Because the threat of Voldemort is so interesting.

Eric: Well, some people would just be like – would not read it, because they’re like, “I know how it ends!” [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, that’s true.

Selina: I don’t know…

Andrew: That’s true.

Selina: It would be so much more interesting than a sequel though. I would much rather read about the Marauders than read about Albus Severus [laughs] and those guys. Because we don’t know them. We don’t – I don’t know, we don’t have that kind of connection to them.

Andrew: Yeah, exactly. Yup. Yeah, you’re exactly right. Let’s move on now to the final J.K. Rowling story of the big J.K. Rowling story – of J.K. Rowling’s big week. What was that, Micah?


News: Pottermore Now Officially Open to the Public


Micah: We touched on it briefly, I think, and that’s the fact that Pottermore has now officially opened to the public. [laughs] There is no more waiting after about six months after it was supposed to open in October of 2011, it opened its doors to everybody a couple of weeks ago. So you mentioned here that it opened on a Saturday which is statistically the slowest Internet traffic day.

Andrew: Yeah, it seems like they released it on a Saturday to help prevent a big surge of people hitting the site at once. If they did that on a Monday or Tuesday, it would have been much worse. So – but you said there’s no more waiting. I mean, there still is waiting. You have to…

Micah: You have to go through the process, right?

Andrew: Once you…

Micah: Of registering?

Andrew: Well, you have to wait for an e-mail, still. They still have to send it to you. Granted, you get it within a day or two, but – or maybe even sooner than that. It could be a couple of hours. But they were doing that to help regulate the amount of people going into the site at the same time. And I heard reports it was down the other day, but it’s back now. So – I feel like they didn’t capture the excitement that would have happened in October when it was supposed to launch. Because remember there was this big countdown to October when Pottermore would make its grand opening?

Micah: Right.

Eric: Well, they were always extremely vague about when in October that would happen anyway.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Same with April. Like, I’m looking at the news post – or J.K. Rowling’s tweet from 8th of March, and she said, “Waiting for -” well, she retweeted the Pottermore Insider, and they said, “Click here to find out when we’ll be opening to everybody.” And you click there and it says, “We are pleased to announce that Pottermore.com will be opening to everyone in early April 2012.” They still don’t list a specific date, so it’s really boring and it’s really impossible for people to really get excited about this…

Micah: But it…

Eric: …because there’s not one date where it’s guaranteed to be open.

Micah: To Andrew’s…

Eric: It’s just ‘this month’.

Micah: His point though, is the whole reason why they were generic, is that if you put a specific date on it, their servers were not going to be able to handle all the traffic…

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: …that were going to be hitting that site. And…

Eric: But once it’s open, people are going to flock to it. Like, people will get the word that it’s open and all go to it on the same day anyway. What I’m saying – all you’re doing by announcing a vague date is having people check the website and being disappointed, which you do not want more people disappointed when it comes to Pottermore.

Micah: Well, how about this? And this is why I agree with what Andrew just said, is that if you go back to “The owls are gathering”, that whole campaign which took place – I think it was in June, right? Of last year? You’ve gone almost an entire year from announcing that this thing was going to launch. That’s too long. I mean, you can’t have that much lead time going into a project. Like look, even with J.K. Rowling’s new book, it’s going to be out in September. So when you have almost a year’s worth of lead time going into a project that you know is going to excite millions of people around the world, and then you don’t deliver on it time and time again, I think it’s just become in some ways not interesting anymore to people.

Andrew: Tired.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: It got tired.

Selina: Yeah, I agree with you.

Andrew: And remember, when the initial announcement was coming with the owls and all that, that was so exciting for Harry Potter fans.

Eric: Super cool.

Andrew: They did a great job with that.

Eric: Super cool.

Andrew: It felt like an announcement about a new book was coming up, and figuring out the name…

Eric: It was before the last movie came out…

Andrew: Right.

Eric: …so we were like, “Oh, Harry Potter is going to live!”

Andrew: Yeah exactly, right.

Selina: But I think definitely there are still people who are super excited, especially the people that didn’t get in the first time. That’s sort of the comments that we’re always seeing, it’s like, “Why are you guys dissing on Pottermore? Because you are all this exclusive club that got in!”

[Andrew and Selina laugh]

Selina: But I think I totally agree with you because I think all of us got in, and all of us sort of had that initial excitement of “Yeah, we have to get our usernames and we have to be sorted” and all of that. But after you do that though, it was just kind of like, “Oh, okay. [laughs] What now?”

Micah: Yeah.

Selina: And so after all this time waiting for something that in the end wasn’t all that different.

Micah: Well, for the…

Selina: It’s just kind of ‘hmm’.

Micah: Yeah, for the non-beta users now, they’ve waited all this time to get in.

Selina: For this.

Micah: For the beta users, we waited all this time for nothing new.

Selina: Yeah.

Micah: I mean, that’s another issue that they’re probably dealing with from people who have already experienced Pottermore. It’s now however many months later and what’s interesting? You’ve got to kind of captivate and bring those people back.

Selina: Yeah, and I think that’s kind of the main problem because I’m not saying that everybody who wanted to got in in the beta part, but most of the people that really wanted to get into Pottermore got into Pottermore. You know what I mean? Most people did and so all of those people are going to be the ones they’re going to want to capture so they can keep coming back, and they haven’t done that for the most part. I haven’t been back. I don’t even remember my username. [laughs] It’s kind of embarrassing.


Listener Tweets: Pottermore’s Official Opening


Andrew: I haven’t either. Let’s get to some tweets. These people are commenting – we asked people who follow us on MuggleCast, Twitter.com/MuggleCast, what do you think about the Pottermore opening? Dana said:

“The awesomest thing that happened in my life. It Potters my world more.”

Selina: Aww, that’s nice.

Andrew: See, so not everybody thinks like us. Mia Cole said:

“I’ve still had technical difficulties on the site. As of now, I can only use it on my iPhone. No fun.”

Which, I didn’t – I don’t even think you can use it on your iPhone.

Eric: Yeah, isn’t it Flash? You can’t…

Andrew: Yeah, it’s Flash. So – Daniella says:

“It’s just so…”

[laughs] Oh geez. Oh gosh, people are just – [sighs] okay. Daniella says:

“It’s just so boring.”

[Andrew and Selina laugh]

Andrew: [continues]

“I was expecting something a lot more interesting but it just seems like a giant waste of time.”

Eric: I take offense at that.

Andrew: These are from people who just got in, by the way.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Steph Bourne says:

“Pottermore has been good, seems really well done. Biggest issue right now is what in the world the point of collecting stuff is.”

Selina: I agree with this. [laughs] There needs to be a point.

Eric: It’s…

Andrew: I think that some of this stuff is going to come in play in future books.

Selina: Right. I mean, it’s fun, but…

Eric: Do you think we’ll have to use those items to get past some place?

Andrew: Yeah, maybe. Maybe. Susana says:

“Pottermore has been spectacular! But I wonder when they will open the second book.”

I would guess – I’m going to guess October. No – yes, October – no…

Eric: Is it competing with – remember the…

Andrew: I’m going to guess late summer.

Eric: Her new book is September 27th.

Andrew: Yeah. I’m going to guess late summer, late August.

Eric: That’d be cool.

Andrew: Because now they can hopefully start moving on from the grand opening stuff and start focusing on Books 2 and 3 and onward. Angela says:

“Pottermore is kidding themselves if they think kids are the main users. People who grew up with ‘Harry’ are the main users!”

Selina: Yes!

Eric: I agree a hundred percent.

Andrew: This is my point.

Selina: I know you guys said this before, but it’s so true!

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: I’m going to find that tweet and favorite it.

[Everyone laughs]

Selina: I know, because it’s like – that’s what they don’t get, and it keeps being annoying because they haven’t realized that we all read them when we were kids but we’re all grown up now.

Andrew: Right. And when J.K. Rowling introduced Pottermore she was like, “This is my thank you to the fans. It’s a free service to those who supported the Harry Potter books over the years.” It’s like, well, these people are at least sixteen now.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Or at least 21. I mean, all of us here – none of us – I think the youngest age here is 22 and that’s me. It’s crazy. What’s happening here? We can’t use our real names because we have to appeal to the ten-year-olds who weren’t even alive when Sorcerer’s Stone was published!

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Or Philosopher’s Stone. Anyway, moving on with these tweets. Russ said:

“I like all the new information, but besides that it’s pretty underwhelming. Slow-paced point and click died when dial-up did.”

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: Ouch.

Andrew: See this guy can’t share his opinion. If he’s still on dial-up I can’t accept that opinion.

Micah: No, no, no…

Andrew: Just kidding.

Eric: He’s saying…

Micah: …he’s not saying – he’s saying the whole idea of point and click died when dial-up died.

Andrew: Oh.

Micah: Not that he’s on dial-up.

Andrew: I see. And finally Marissa said:

“It was cool at first, I had fun getting sorted and all that jazz. But once I finished the first book I barely have returned.”

Selina: Yeah, the same.

Andrew: And this is why they need pets! Pottermore pets!

[Selina laughs]

Micah: Yes.

Eric: I downloaded…

Selina: Yeah, you… [unintelligible]

Eric: There’s an app called Dream Zoo, Andrew. You’d be proud. I was taking care of my baby giraffes.

Andrew: I need to do this. Do they have owls? I’ll pretend it’s in Pottermore.

Eric: I think they do have owls.

[Selina laughs]

Eric: Yeah, you’ve got to get it. Because they’ll push notify you when the – like, I had zebras and they had a baby. And then you can do stuff – yeah, you’d like it. You’d like it.

Selina: Wow, talk about appealing to the kids. [laughs]

Eric: Dream Zoo.

Selina: I had a Tamagotchi when I was thirteen. [laughs]

Eric: Tamagotchis were cool, except you’d walk away and then come back and find a steaming pile of dung.

MuggleCast 252 Transcript (continued)


Pottermore Discussion: ‘Ghost Plots’


Andrew: Well, speaking of Pottermore, we are going to discuss some new material this week. That is it for the news. We’re going to talk about two aspects this week and this is new material found within Pottermore, written by J.K. Rowling. We’re going to talk about the Hufflepuff common room, but first, ‘ghost plots’. So J.K. Rowling says:

“Over the seventeen years that I planned and wrote the seven ‘Harry Potter’ books, I generated a mass of information about the magical world that never appeared in the books. I liked knowing these things and often, when I needed a throwaway detail, I had it ready because of the background I had developed.

I also found myself developing story-lines for secondary characters that were superfluous to requirements. More of a wrench were the plots I worked out for some much more important characters that had to be sacrificed for the bigger story. All these I inwardly termed ‘ghost plots’, my private expression for all the untold stories that sometimes seemed quite as real to me as the ‘final cut’. I have occasionally been in conversation with a reader and made mention of part of a ghost plot; looks of consternation cross their faces as, for a split second, they ask themselves whether they have accidentally skipped twenty pages somewhere. I apologize to anyone I might have accidentally wrong-footed in this way; the problem is, literally, all in my head.”

[laughs] Such a great writer. So I mean, I would think – we were just talking about the encyclopedia earlier – a lot of these ‘ghost plots’ could actually show up…

Selina: Yeah!

Andrew: …in the encyclopedia.

Selina: This is the stuff I’m excited for. This could be things like Hermione’s sister and things like that.

Eric: Hermione has a sister?

Selina: They existed, but they didn’t – well, she did. In the first – when J.K. Rowling was first writing the book she wrote in a younger sister for Hermione that got sent to Hogwarts and it was this whole big thing. Then she just cut her and she just didn’t have a sister in the end.

Andrew: Yeah. Well – but she says ‘ghost plots’ refer to…

Selina: Yeah, things that were real, I guess.

Andrew: Things that were – yeah. But – I mean, Hermione’s sister could very well end up being one. Now, why did she insert this in Chapter 4 of Sorcerer’s Stone? Is this suggesting that there is a ‘ghost plot’ or two that happened around Chapter 4 of Sorcerer’s Stone?

Eric: I’d say so.

Selina: Maybe something about the Dursleys, maybe?

Andrew: Yeah, the Dursleys or maybe more time at the hut on the rock?

Eric: Who knows.

Andrew: Maybe more dialogue between Harry and Hagrid? Or maybe between Hagrid and Petunia and Vernon?

Eric: Yeah, in the chapters to come we’re about to learn all about the wizarding world for the first time, so I’m sure there’s at least one thing that didn’t make it in there.

Andrew: And then – anything else to address about that?

[Prolonged silence]


Pottermore Discussion: Hufflepuff Common Room


Andrew: And then another portion we wanted to talk about was the Hufflepuff common room, and that – she writes about that during Chapter 7. In Moment 3, you can unlock this information.

Selina: [laughs] Yay!

Andrew: And she says – [laughs] just in case you want to find it yourself.

“When I first planned the series, I expected Harry to visit all four house common rooms during his time at Hogwarts. There came a point when I realized that there was never going to be a valid reason to enter the Hufflepuff room.”

[Andrew and Selina laugh]

Andrew: [continues]

“Nevertheless, it is quite as real to me as the other three, and I always knew exactly where those Hufflepuffs were going when they headed off towards the kitchens after lessons.”

Eric: Okay…

Selina: Those irrelevant Hufflepuffs. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah. Yeah, now I’m just like…

Selina: Speaking as Hufflepuffs… [laughs]

Eric: Now I’m just upset.

Selina: Me too.

Eric: That’s sand on a wound. That’s sand on a wound.

Selina: Are you a Hufflepuff as well, Eric?

Eric: I am.

Selina: A Pottermore Hufflepuff?

Eric: I am a Pottermore Hufflepuff and I have to say…

Selina: Right, me too.

Eric: …Jo, come on. “There came a point when I realized that there was never going to be a valid reason to enter the Hufflepuff room”?

Selina: I know! [laughs]

Eric: Come on!

Andrew: But – I mean, she had it all written out. You can then advance to a page where she describes the Hufflepuff common room in great details. She says:

“A portrait over the wooden mantelpiece shows…”

Selina: We, of course, get to see it.

Andrew: [continues]

“…Helga Hufflepuff, one of the four founders of Hogwarts, toasting her students with a tiny, two-handled golden cup. Small, round windows just level with the ground at the foot of the castle show a pleasant view of rippling grass and dandelions, and, occasionally, passing feet.”

Selina: This is a Hobbit hole. [laughs] This is not the common room.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: Hufflepuffs, to the Hobbit hole!

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Yes.

Selina: I mean, this is probably one of the reasons I’m not a big fan of Pottermore, because I’m like, “Why am I collecting points for Hufflepuff?”

[Andrew laughs]

Selina: Sorry, Hufflepuffs. [laughs]

Eric: This stuff – no, actually, the Hufflepuff common room is described when you first get – when you get your letter and it says, “Welcome to our house.” And she did it – well, in the – I want to say the afterlife, it’s Pottermore. But it’s just funny that in the books – and I get this, that there really wasn’t any reason for Harry – I mean, the Hufflepuffs kind of distance themselves from Harry. They’re kind of – I don’t want to say cliquey but they keep to themselves. So they’re antisocial, so they’re not likely to be involved in…

Selina: [laughs] In their Hobbit hole.

Eric: With the exception of – well, they’re very – they have this internal pride, like with Cedric Diggory. So – yeah. No, I can see that they’re – whether it – be it their personality traits or just the fact that the book is written about Gryffindors, that you’d more likely get Gryffindor’s main rival Slytherin the most. And then maybe Ravenclaw when it comes in the picture because you need smart people to defeat the bad guy. So, I don’t know. I get it but it was just so funny the way she worded it, still. I was just like, “Oh, that’s – okay, never a valid reason.”

Micah: Well, we all got information about our houses. Was there anything new that you guys can remember when you were sorted, that you learned about your house or the house that the person was named after?

Eric: With Hufflepuff, yeah, everything was new, pretty much. I mean, with the exception of Helga Hufflepuff being the founder, everything was new. It was really cool, actually. She talks about – basically that they’re very earthy, kind of like Professor Sprout, big surprise. But their common room is kind of like a garden apartment. It’s underground but not so far underground because there are windows at the very top that shine out – the daylight shines in. So, I don’t know. It’s cool but they’re kind of like badgers, I guess, is really what it all sounded like.

Andrew: She also actually touched – at the end of the new information on the Hufflepuff common room, she touched on how the entrances to each house reflect the intelligence of the students. She says:

“The complexity or otherwise of the entrance to the common rooms might be said to give a very rough idea of the intellectual reputation of each house: Hufflepuff has an unchanging portal and requires [stumbles on pronunciation] rhythmic…”

Eric: Rhythmic.

Andrew: [continues]

“…rhythmic tapping.”

Eric: So, wait. Pause.

Selina: Wow. [laughs]

Eric: What does that say about the intellectual representation of each house? It’s an unchanging portal.

Andrew: That they’re steady.

Eric: You don’t want to change it because that would be confusing, right? At least Gryffindor…

Selina: [laughs] To the poor Hufflepuffs!

Andrew: Right, they can’t handle it. [laughs]

Eric: Gryffindor is not – yeah.

Selina: Oh God.

Eric: Gryffindor is not so stupid that – their password changes, at least.

Selina: Yeah. [laughs]

Eric: Hufflepuff? Eh, don’t want to change their password.

Selina: They’re just stupid. [laughs]

Eric: They’d be stuck out there. Those poor things would be stuck out there all night if you changed…

Selina: Wow.

Eric: …the portal to the Hufflepuff room. Rhythmic tapping. So even if they’re having a seizure they could probably get into their house by…

Selina: You have to make sure they don’t get confused. [laughs] This is so bad.

Andrew: Remember, Hufflepuffs. One, two, three, four.

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: One, two…

Eric: Rhythmic tapping? What is that? Here’s exactly what that is. [makes rhythmic tapping sounds]

Selina: See, you got it!

Eric: That’s rhythmic tapping.

Selina: You’re a real Hufflepuff! [laughs]

Andrew: Good job!

Eric: Yeah. Good job, Hufflepuff! Welcome! Welcome!

Selina: Jo is just – she’s not making it easy. I really want to be proud but…

Micah: It also says [laughs] at the very bottom:

“Several outstanding brains have emerged from Hufflepuff house over the centuries.”

Selina: Oh, that’s good to know.

Micah: [continues]

“These fine minds simply happened to be allied to outstanding qualities of patience, a strong work ethic and constancy, all traditional hallmarks of Hufflepuff house.”

But who are they?

Eric: [laughs] Yeah.

Andrew: [laughs] She doesn’t name anyone.

Eric: She doesn’t name any of them. Well, it’s…

Selina: It’s really hard to have house pride even though we really try. It’s like, “Yes, Hufflepuff!” but it’s like, “Ehh.”

[Andrew and Selina laugh]

Eric: Selina, are you a Hufflepuff too?

Selina: Yeah, I was sorted into Hufflepuff. [laughs]

Eric: That’s awesome. Well, hang on one second because I’m sure in the welcome message, which was very easy to be found, it should mention at least one more Hufflepuff. Okay, yeah, here we go.

Micah: Where do you get your welcome letter? Where do you have to click for that?

Eric: It’s just at the top. It says – for some reason I’m back to “The Sorting Hat has placed you in Hufflepuff.” Maybe if you click the badger or the…

Selina: Well, I still buy into Andrew’s whole theory, that it’s all orchestrated to get equal amounts of people in each house.

Eric: Well, it’s – I mean, I’d say it’s definitive just because of the way that the points have been laid out, although I really want to see JKR acknowledge that. Because people are still – now with it opening publicly, people are still putting a lot in store by it and I would hate to see even more people hoodwinked. You know what I’m saying?

Selina: I feel hoodwinked.

Eric: If it’s fun, have it be fun. But anyway, this is from the Hufflepuff welcome letter after the first paragraph:

“Now, there are a few things you should know about Hufflepuff house. First of all, let’s deal with the perennial myth about the place, which is that we’re the least clever house. WRONG.”

[Selina laughs]

Eric: [continues]

“Hufflepuff is certainly the least boastful house, but we’ve produced just as many brilliant witches and wizards as any other. Want proof? Look up Grogan Stump, one of the most popular Ministers for Magic of all time. He was a Hufflepuff ñ as were the successful Ministers Artemesia Lufkin and Dugald McPhail. Then there’s the world authority on magical creatures, Newt Scamander…”

Okay.

Selina: Ooh, we know him! [laughs]

Eric: I’ve heard of him.

“Bridget Wenlock, the famous thirteenth-century Arithmancer who first discovered the magical properties of the number seven…”

That’s kind of cool.

“…and Hengist of Woodcroft, who founded the all-wizarding village of Hogsmeade, which lies very near Hogwarts School. Hufflepuffs all.”

Okay, look at that. The founder of Hogsmeade was a Hufflepuff. There we go.

Selina: I bet the person who invented Butterbeer was a Hufflepuff.

Eric: [laughs] Yeah, but even after a whole night of drinking Butterbeer, they could still remember the entrance to the Hufflepuff room.

Selina: [laughs] It was not hard.

Eric: Because it hadn’t changed.

Micah: What’s funny is, in complete contrast to what you just read, Eric, the opening – well, the second paragraph – to the Ravenclaw one, after you’re welcomed by Robert Hilliard – I don’t even – that sounds like a celebrity, almost.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: I don’t even know who that person is. But it starts off:

“Without wishing to boast, this is the house where the cleverest wizards and witches live.”

Selina: Oh wow.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: So I thought that was funny.

Selina: That is kind of funny.

Eric: Yeah, it’s a play on the words about boasting and clever.

Andrew: And the Gryffindor one is quite small, and it’s like a little introduction from Percy Weasley and that’s it.

Eric: I was pleased when I saw that, that Gryffindor was the smallest. Just because…

Andrew: Yeah, because we’ve already learned so much.

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: Yeah, I don’t know. I still call foul play, [laughs] but maybe I’m just in denial.

Eric: No, I…

Andrew: So, on the next episode – go ahead.

Eric: Oh. No, I literally don’t have anything to say. I’m sorry.

Andrew: Okay. [laughs] So, on the next episode, we will discuss the McGonagall backstory, which is very lengthy and another whole new section written by J.K. Rowling within Pottermore. Read it yourself. Sign up for Pottermore, read it yourself, and then we’ll discuss it on Episode 253.

Micah: One thing I’d like to say though, is…

Andrew: Go ahead.

Micah: …I really think that Pottermore should put out a schedule of when they plan to release the rest of these books.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: How about that?

Eric: Well, even if they did, it would be a vague month. “Oh, the month of November.” Give us specific dates, that way nobody is disappointed.

Andrew: Yeah. I’m sure they have a time frame in mind, they just don’t want to tell people in case there are…

Eric: Well, the interesting thing…

Selina: Yeah, and commit to it! Because after…

Eric: Didn’t they already tell everybody?

Selina: But that’s the thing, though.

Eric: And then they had to change it, obviously.

Selina: They told people, and then they had to change it by months and months and months, and ended up making people really mad. So I think they’ll be really sort of reluctant to do the same thing again.

Andrew: Yeah. They won’t do that again, no way. I really don’t think so. Really don’t think so. I mean, maybe they’ll give us a month advance warning. Or it could come out of nowhere, I wouldn’t be surprised by that either.


Listener Tweets: J.K. Rowling’s Upcoming Books


Andrew: So, to wrap up the show, we have more tweets. These are about The Casual Vacancy and the encyclopedia, two books we know J.K. Rowling is working on. Well, she’s finished The Casual Vacancy now, but she’s working on the encyclopedia. These are from people who follow us on Twitter, Twitter.com/MuggleCast. Sultana says:

“I’m just glad there’s going to be something more than Pottermore to look forward to. :)”

Dana says:

“As long as JKR is the writer, it’s amazing.”

Samantha says:

“‘The Casual Vacancy’ is definitely a book to watch out for. It will show more of Jo’s writing skills and open chances for more readers.”

Do you think J.K. Rowling’s audience will grow with The Casual Vacancy?

Eric: Hmm.

Andrew: I mean, how much bigger can it get?

Selina: I think it will change slightly.

Eric: Well – because this is for adults.

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: Do you think that adults reading and liking this book will actually go back and give Harry a chance?

Andrew: Yes.

Selina: If they’re smart, they will do. [laughs]

Eric: Oh yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Good answer. I agree.

Andrew: But there’s still this stigma with Harry Potter, that it’s a kids’ series. You know what they should do? They should re-release Harry Potter adult editions with the adult covers. They’ve done that before in the UK.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I don’t think they’ve done it in the US. But they should do that at the same time as The Casual Vacancy comes out. I think that would be a very smart idea.

Eric: It would be cool. Only it would be impossible to organize, because it’s not the same publisher.

Selina: Oh, that’s a good point.

Andrew: No, but they know what time it’s coming out.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: So all they’ve got to do is get it…

Micah: Isn’t that the same month the Super Deluxe Ultra Edition of the movies is coming out?

Andrew: Yes, Harry Potter: Wizard’s Collection.

Micah: That too.

Andrew: Is that what you were talking about?

Micah: I just didn’t know the name of it, so I made it up.

Andrew: Comes out September 7th. So yeah, same…

Eric: Oh wow.

Andrew: Good observation there. Chelsea says:

“Excited about the encyclopedia! Don’t have enough info about ‘Casual Vacancy’ yet. I want to read the back cover first.”

[laughs] I think that synopsis is the back cover.

Selina: I was going to say. I think – yeah.

Andrew: iGoNananafor1D – that’s a weird name – writes:

“I hope she finishes the encyclopedia soon and I can’t wait for ‘Casual Vacancy’!”

Anne writes:

“Sounds like something she’d write, and write well!”

Rosie says:

“Very excited for both! More so for ‘The Casual Vacancy’. It sounds great and I hope it will showcase her talent and versatility.”

Thomas says:

“The book seems interesting. Also, the encyclopedia was such a shocker. Now we know it’s a real deal and I couldn’t be more excited.”

And finally, Cat says:

“I’m excited for the new book, but I think no matter how good it is, people are going to be disappointed simply because it’s not ‘HP’.”

Selina: I fear the same…

Andrew: I disagree with that.

Selina: I fear the same thing, actually.

Andrew: Really, why?

Selina: Yeah. Well, because I think that – I mean, obviously we all know it’s not going to be Harry Potter, but I think J.K. Rowling – that series for us can do no wrong, and I think no matter what, a lot of people will be disappointed and we can’t help that. I mean, I don’t think I will be disappointed. I’m really excited for it. But I definitely see what she means.

Eric: Yeah, you have to go into that book for the right reasons, I think.

Selina: Yeah, not expecting…

Eric: You’re obviously – so obviously not going to get a continuation of the story or any of the characters. What you’re going to find though, is those little elements of humor, especially – like I was saying about when she was talking about Little Hangleton and how people relate to each other in the real world. That kind of stuff, I think, the book will be ripe with, and if you’re going into it looking for that kind of stuff, for the intelligence that Jo so clearly has, then you’re going to like it. But you just kind of have to realize that it’s not another Harry Potter book.


Show Close


Andrew: Okay, well there you go. Before we go, we want to remind everybody – and we haven’t actually discussed this yet, I don’t think. Maybe once, but not much other than that. We are – oh, yes we did, actually. What am I talking about? We are going to be at LeakyCon 2012 this upcoming summer. It is in August in Chicago. The specific dates are August 9th to the 12th, in Chicago. Registration is open now. We are going to be doing a live podcast, including Selina.

Selina: Yay!

Andrew: Selina will be there with us and doing the podcast.

Selina: So excited!

Andrew: So that’s why we wanted to have her on the show, in part.

Micah: All the way from Sweden.

Selina: [laughs] I know!

Andrew: All the – wow, what a trip.

Selina: Long journey from Sweden.

Andrew: Oh my goodness, what a trip.

Selina: I don’t know why…

Eric: Selina, we can play the Game of Thrones video game.

Selina: Yes! Yes! Of course! We’ll do that! Who cares about Harry Potter? No, I’m kidding! [laughs]

Andrew: And by that point, we’ll have – hopefully, the Casual Vacancy cover out…

Selina: Yeah!

Andrew: …and maybe more info about it, maybe Jo will have done an interview or two about it. So there’s going to be lots of info – lots of great discussion.

Selina: You guys should just give in and rename your podcast “The CayVay Cast”.

Andrew: CayVay Cast.

Selina: Casual Vacancy, CayVay.

Eric: Oh, CayVay.

Andrew: CayVay.

Selina: Get it? Yeah. [laughs]

Andrew: Hmm. How about just JoCast?

Selina: JoCast? Yeah!

Eric: Rowling CayVay.

Andrew: JKRowlingOgleCast. Casual Vacancy

Selina: RuggleCast.

Eric: JuggleCast.

Andrew: RuggleCast? Ooh, I like that.

[Selina laughs]

Andrew: RowlinggleCast.

Micah: Well, speaking of other podcasts, can we throw in a quick plug?

Andrew: Yes.

Micah: Okay.

Andrew: Yes. I would say the newest one is actually Game of Owns with you three and two other friends. And that comes out after the release of every new Game of Thrones episode on HBO, correct?

Selina: Yes.

Andrew: And you guys discuss each one and whatnot.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: That is correct.

Eric: And recently featured on iTunes’ “New and Notable” and gosh, do I remember when MuggleCast was there.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: So that was super cool.

Andrew: And also Selina and I do a Hunger Games podcast called Hunger Games Chat. It’s on Hypable.com. You can also just Google it and easily find it that way or search on iTunes. Bunch of podcasts going on, we’re doing lots of things. Even though MuggleCast is once a month or twice a month, there’s still quite a lot of action.

Selina: Yeah, and there’s a Doctor Who podcast starting as well. It’s crazy.

Andrew: Yeah, exactly.

Micah: But…

Andrew: We’ll have more info about the Doctor Who podcast coming up in a couple of weeks.

Micah: I would just say, though – not to discourage anybody, but the Game of Thrones podcast that we do called Game of Owns, it is a little bit more mature material that George R.R. Martin [laughs] writes about than what’s in the Potter series.

Selina: Yeah.

Micah: So just kind of take that into consideration before you listen to the show or watch the show on TV.

Andrew: Right. Yeah, I was going to say the show is as well, so it makes sense that the podcast is a little more risqué.

Micah: Yeah, there’s – the language is a little bit different, I would say, from what we use on MuggleCast, but that’s – not to discourage anybody, but just throwing that out there before you download, listen, and say something about…

Selina: [laughs] Play it out loud?

Micah: “I can’t believe they cursed!” or “I can’t believe they talked about this or that or -” but yeah.

Andrew: “I was listening to this with my daughter thinking it would be just like MuggleCast, and oh no!”

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, I would definitely recommend seeing the show and a few episodes of the show first.

Micah: Yes. Or reading a book.

Eric: Or reading one of the books.

Selina: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: But the fun thing about TV podcasts is that you have so much new material to discuss after every new episode.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: So that’s why Game of Owns is so interesting. So, that is it for MuggleCast Episode 252. Thank you everybody for listening. Don’t forget to check out MuggleCast.com. It has everything you need to get everything you could possibly want about this wonderful Harry Potter podcast that we do. On the right side of the site, in fact, you can find links to our iTunes where you can subscribe and review us. You can also follow us on Twitter, Twitter.com/MuggleCast, like us on Facebook, Facebook.com/MuggleCast, and follow the fan Tumblr, which is MuggleCast.Tumblr.com. Fun to look at, especially if you are a Tumblr user. And also a quick plug for the Wall of Fame. We all know and love the Wall of Fame. We need to add a new entry or two. Surely we’ve done some good shows since November 20th, 2010. That was the last one we added. [laughs]

Micah: What happened then?

Andrew: That was the Deathly Hallows – Part 1 review episode.

Micah: Oh, we’ve had David Yates on the show…

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: …we’ve had Oliver Phelps on the show…

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah, there’s got to be an episode or two, like you say.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: I hope.

Andrew: So check out the Wall of Fame if you’re itching for some old MuggleCast episodes.

[Show music begins]

Andrew: The Wall of Fame, those are our personal picks, so definitely browse through those. Those are all great ones. We highly recommend them all. From Hypable.com, I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: From MuggleNet.com, I’m Eric Scull.

Micah: From GameofOwns.com, I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Selina: And from Hypable.com, I’m Selina Wilken.

Andrew: We’ll see everybody next time for Episode 253. Goodbye!

Eric: Buh-bye!

Selina: Bye!

Micah: Bye!

[Eric makes rhythmic tapping sounds]

[Show music continues]

Transcript #251

MuggleCast 251 Transcript


Show Intro


[“Hedwig’s Theme” plays]

Andrew: Because there’s something in the water, this is MuggleCast Episode 251 for April 5th, 2012.

[Show music begins]

Andrew: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 251, and we have a special guest here this week: Keith Hawk. You may know him from MuggleNet, recently traveling abroad to cover the release – the opening – of the studio tour, the Harry Potter studio tour. And it’s Keith’s first time on MuggleCast, save for the live show at LeakyCon. So welcome, Keith, who sounds like Mikey.

Keith: Oh, thank you very much! Oh, thank you, yeah. I sound just like him, I’m sure.

Andrew: I was struck by your voice when you came on this call. I was like, “Mikey? I called the wrong person.”

Keith: It’s immediate success.

Micah: That’s a compliment of the highest order.

Andrew: Yes. Just don’t talk about…

Keith: I’m sure.

Andrew:Star Wars like he does, too much. Yeah, so actually, we are going to kick off the show like we always do with the news, but the focus of this episode is going to be the studio tour and we are also going to talk about where we are going to be this summer. And also Pottermore now that it’s about to open. By the time you’re listening to this episode, it may actually already be open.

Eric: Ooh!

Andrew: And we got some tweets and Chicken Soup and a whole lot more. I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: I’m Eric Scull.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Keith: And I’m Keith Hawk.


News: Warner Bros. Studio Tour London Opens


Andrew: All right, Micah. So what is in the news this week, please? I guess we’ll start with the studio tour, but tell us about it. Was it a big opening?

Micah: Yeah, the studio tour officially opened. I believe the official name is The Warner Bros. Studio Tour: The Making of Harry Potter.

Andrew: London.

Micah: Oh, London.

Andrew: Warner Bros. Studio Tour London: The Making of Harry Potter.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: This is like that event down in Orlando a couple of months ago.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Oh yes.

Micah: It’s just…

Andrew: Harry Potter Home Entertainment Celebration.

Micah: Let’s make it as corporate as we possibly can…

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: …and take all the fun out of the name.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: But it opened this past Saturday. A big red carpet event out at Leavesden Studios, a lot of the cast and crew were in attendance, and it’s now officially open to the public. And as you mentioned, Keith got the opportunity to go and tour the tour a little bit early. So let’s start off, I guess. Keith, kind of give us your initial impressions of you getting out there, seeing the studio for the first time, and then walking in and – walk us through a little bit of the tour.


Main Discussion: Harry Potter Studio Tour – Overall Thoughts


Keith: Sure. First of all, it’s just something that every Harry Potter fan has got to go to. It’s just insane. I mean, you can read the books twenty million times, you can watch all the films, you can read the set reports, but until you actually step foot in that Great Hall for the first time you just don’t appreciate the details that they went through to make this thing. It’s just – I can’t say enough about how amazing it was. Now, I guess they built these studios exclusively for this tour. So, Andrew, when you used to go to all these sets and you’ve seen the sets before with all the actors and everything…

Andrew: Yeah.

Keith: …it was in a different area. The studios that they filmed in were in the hangars.

Andrew: Right. It was basically the same land. When you drive up to Leavesden Studios, you’re still going to Leavesden Studios, you’re still going to Leavesden Studios. They didn’t move it across the street per se, it’s still on the same property, they just built new places for all these sets to be permanently housed. And of course, it’s nicer than the hangars that all the sets used to be in, because back when they were filming you would approach this place and you would never guess that the top-grossing franchise of all time was shot in this hangar.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Which I guess is good – I was going to say, “To keep it secret,” but there was giant “Leavesden Studios” lettering across it. But yeah, so based on the – I haven’t been there yet for the studio tour, but based on the concept art it looks like they built a whole new exterior, which is – I’m glad they did that, because – I don’t know, it was a pretty trashy area.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: This is where the catering wagon was.

[Eric and Keith laugh]

Andrew: Right. Yes, exactly.

Eric: It’s this crooked lot.

Keith: This is probably where they played cricket all the time.


Main Discussion: Harry Potter Studio Tour – Arrival


Andrew: So, as a Harry Potter fan, when you’re approaching this area – because I remember approaching the sets, it was very exciting. I mean, you must have been getting more and more excited as you drove closer. I assume you were on a bus or something.

Keith: Yeah.

Andrew: You could probably see it from a distance.

Keith: Right, and that’s one thing I wanted to say to everybody, is how to get there first. Obviously it’s about a twenty-minute train ride from London out to Watford Junction, and then you go out…

Eric: King’s Cross?

Keith: No, no, actually London Euston.

Eric: Oh.

Keith: So you take this train ride out to Watford Junction and then you go out to the bus area, and here comes this big WB Studios tour bus. It’s a regular double-decker but it’s black, it has Diagon Alley on it, and it has all the wording on it. So the bus is just incredibly beautiful to look at. And you’re so excited all you do is start snapping pictures all over the place, so I have like ten pictures of the bus.

[Andrew and Keith laugh]

Keith: So I guess – well, they’re going to have three buses rotating for the public to go back and forth, and it’s a two-pound bus ride to go to the studios. It’s only about a ten-minute drive, it’s not far at all. So you’re on this bus with other Harry Potter fans and you’re all excited, and then you see the studios and your breath is just taken away. You see these massive yellow buildings, they call them Studio J and Studio K, is where the studio tour is in now.

Eric: Awww, I just got that.

Andrew: Is that for J.K…

Keith: You got it!

Andrew: …Rowling?

Keith: Yup!

Andrew: Seriously, they did it for her?

Keith: Yes!

Andrew: Oh wow.

Keith: Yes, they did it for her. That’s exactly right. I’m glad you picked up on that. [laughs] I would’ve been disappointed if you didn’t. It’s a massive parking lot, and the buses pull right up and then you see “Welcome to the Warner Bros. Studio Tour.” And it’s beautiful. I mean, the landscaping is done nice, the entire area is just absolutely beautifully done. And once you’re done snapping pictures outside, you walk inside into this massive entrance, and all you notice right away is all the portraits above the entrance. I counted them, I think there was 21 or 22, I forget now. But all the portraits – and it’s the young Harry, Dan Radcliffe, young Emma Watson, young Rupert Grint, and then the older they got. There’s Neville, Luna, Dumbledore – I mean, all the characters that you love are on this wall in massive detail, and it’s just beautiful to walk in to. So…

Eric: When you say portrait, did these photos have – did these portraits have a use in the film, or were they designed for the lobby area after the fact? Do you think that these were ever used…

Andrew: They were from Empire magazine, I think. I saw pictures – somebody took pictures of the insides and I remember those portraits. I think they’re from Empire.

Eric: Oh.

Keith: Well, they were hi-def shots, for sure.

Andrew: From the Part 2 film release.

Keith: Yeah, but they were high definition shots, and they were massive posters and yet so crystal clear, so it’s amazing that you’re seeing Dan Radcliffe from ten years ago and he’s in real crystal clear imagery up on that wall. So that was pretty cool, just to see how they grew as they got older and stuff. It’s kind of just a recapture for you of what the past ten years have been like for the visitor. After that…

Andrew: So…

Keith: Go ahead.

Andrew: Oh. Well – go ahead, sorry.

Keith: Well, just in this entrance hall, they have a coat check and bag check in case you need that for the winter time or whatever you’re carrying, so they do have that accommodation. They have an eating area right off the wing before you go in, and they also have – to the right is the gift shop. I guess you can go in there – I didn’t go in there to look right away, I saved that for the end, but outside of the gift shop they have two window displays: one of a little bit of Honeydukes, and the treat cart – the candy cart from the Hogwarts Express is in there, and then on the left side is some of the robes and stuff.

Andrew: At which point do you get the Butterbeer? Is that in the tour, or…

Keith: That’s during the tour.

Andrew: …is that outside…

Keith: It’s the midway point.

Andrew: During the tour?

Keith: Yup.

Andrew: Really?

Keith: Yup.

Andrew: And do you have to pay for it, or is it free?

Keith: I wish it was free. No, you pay for it.

[Andrew laughs]

Keith: They’re going to get you everywhere.

Eric: Oh, so…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: [laughs] Well, one of the things I wanted to ask – you said that you did the gift shop at the end, but did the bags for it that you get – do they say Warner Bros. Studio Tour London: The Making of Harry Potter, or do they say something a little bit more fancy?

Keith: No, they’re just nice plastic bags that say “WB Studio Tour.”

Eric: Oh okay.

Keith: I have several of them.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: So even – I was going to say, because even the bags aren’t abiding by the name then, which seems to be really long and we all have…

Andrew: Well, because eventually they want to expand the studio tour to other films. They don’t want it to just be Harry Potter forever.

Eric: Right. So “Warner Bros. Studio Tour…”

Keith: Do you think that’s going to happen?

Eric: “…Burbank, California: The Making of…”

Andrew: They have said that.

Eric: They already have a studio tour in their home lot in Burbank.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: But that’s actually more like the history of WB. The water tower’s there, and it’s all really cool. But yeah, I don’t know. I just guess – it’s just such a long, diplomatic title, so I wondered what was on the gift shop bags.

Keith: I mean, I don’t…


Main Discussion: Harry Potter Studio Tour – Tour Guides


Andrew: What would you say was your favorite – okay, well first of all, how long was the tour itself? And you were with a guide, right?

Keith: Well no, you’re only with a guide in the very beginning. When you first enter, you go into this small room and they have eight poster-sized screens on display, and while everybody’s gathering in there they’re showing you posters from the films from every different country. So you’re seeing the France poster, the German poster, the Iranian poster, things like that just flashing around. And then they do a short film on how David Heyman acquired the rights to it, so tonight’s introduction to how the beginning of this thing came from Dave’s assistant who read the book – and I can’t remember her name, sorry – and she brought it in and Dave goes, “Did anybody read anything good?” and she’s like, “Yeah, this is something you definitely want to read.” And this was a girl who was never excited about anything and all of a sudden she’s excited in this meeting, so David took the book home and there we go, we got the next twelve years covered.

Micah: I hope she got her cut.

[Eric laughs]

Keith: I hope she did too. I never heard of her name, so I hope she got recognized.

Eric: That was part of the agreement, I guess.

Keith: Yeah. So once you’re done with that little film – and you’re standing in this room, they take you from that room into a cinema area where you sit down for another film. And this cinema is half moon-shaped, basically, the seats. It’s almost like you’re in a regular theater. Real nice comfortable seats, and they basically – they show you another ten/fifteen minute film, but it’s the trio talking about the ten years and some of their moments and what you’re going to see on the tour. So that was really nice. Now, this is where it got exciting though, is – all right, you’re anxious to go in and see these things, right? And here the film ends, and you think they’re going to escort you off to the right. Well, no. The freaking screen goes up and there’s the Great Hall doors right in front of you. You’re like, “Whoa!”

Andrew: Oh, very cool.

Eric: Whoa.

Keith: “Oh wow!”

[Andrew laughs]

Keith: And the statues that came to life in Deathly Hallows, they’re right there. So from the cinema, the screen goes up and bam, you’re right into it. So they guide you through the Great Hall doors and they do a very basic tour of the Great Hall, and I mean very basic. They’ll point out a couple of things to you. From that moment on through the rest of the tour, you’re on your own.

Andrew: And you can spend as long as you want there.

Keith: As long as you want, but they want you out of the Great Hall before the next tour starts.

Andrew: I see.

Keith: Now, you can come back in after they’re in. So if you didn’t get pictures of something that you really want to get pictures of in the Great Hall, you just have to step out for a little bit and then you can come back in. They generally don’t want you going backwards, obviously, through this thing.

Andrew: Right.

Keith: But the way it flows, it actually works out really well.

Eric: Now, is there – I was going to say, is there a theme? And one of the questions I want to ask – you got to see the exhibit, right? When it was in – was it when it was in New York, you saw it? And so there’s the eight posters, and it plays a little movie and then you go through sort of – and there’s different themes, different areas. Was it at all like that? Or how was this laid out in comparison or in contrast?

Keith: That was – the exhibit to me was a little bit of a mishmash of everything.

Eric: Okay.

Keith: Where – and it was more prop…

Micah: And it was [unintelligible] that was a huge thing.

Keith: Yeah, and it was more prop-oriented so you saw the costumes and stuff like that. But here, you’re seeing the sets and the actual pieces that they used. Now, I’m not saying they didn’t use them in the exhibit.

Eric: Right, right.

Keith: I think they actually do use them, but they’re like the second sets and third sets of things.

Eric: Yeah, yeah.

Keith: So this set that you’re seeing in here of all the costumes and all the props are the real ones that were in the movies.

Eric: Right.

Andrew: And there’s also that special feeling of, “Well, this is where they were actually shot. These are the real sets.” I mean, they can’t replicate the Great Hall in the Harry Potter Exhibition. These are the types of things that will only ever be seen at the studio tour in Leavesden.

Eric: Yeah. I mean, they’re too big to move, at the very least.

Andrew: Yeah. And I mean, there’s so much history, especially with the Great Hall set. I mean, that one and a couple of others have been there forever. And just think about how many hours were spent there by the cast.

Eric: Oh my God, I can’t. That just blows my mind. But how do they – if there’s no tour guide, how do they really convey that? How do they tell you stories? Are there plaques on each set that tell you a little bit of history? Or how do you get that information? Because I imagine, with ten years of filming on those sets, there’s tons of stories to talk about, about each set. So is there any kind of guide or a way to…

Keith: Yeah…

Eric: How does that work?

Keith: Well, there is plaque cards with every set that tells you a basic story of it. It’s nothing major, it’s nothing that you don’t already know. It’s an introduction to – they have a producer screen, and they’ll show you all the producers. They’ll have a plaque card of all the directors, the screenwriters, and things like that. And each set has its own piece, you know? This is The Burrow, this is the Gryffindor Common Room, etc. So they do have a plaque there, but you know what? The key to this tour are the staff members that actually work there. They have just as much knowledge as us, in the Harry Potter films. In fact, four of the staff members that I met actually were extras in the films.

Andrew: Oh, that’s cool.

Eric: Oh!

Keith: So – in fact, the one girl I met, she – I want to say her name right. It was Katie Rosedale. She was doing the Dumbledore’s Office set for us and I got to talking to her for a while. And she was in four of the films from Order of the Phoenix on as a Slytherin. Actually, from Goblet of Fire, I’m sorry. From Goblet of Fire on, she was a Slytherin student. So when Beauxbatons and the Durmstrang guys came in and doing all their thing, she’s sitting right behind Ron and Harry. So she said she saw herself on the big screen, it was kind of cool. But they’ve been so entwined into this and they’ve been filming in the Great Hall, so they have that extra knowledge of how this stuff is put together.

Eric: Well, what was she doing there if she wasn’t a guide?

Keith: They’re just – there are staff members stationed at each area that are fully in tune with every little detail about that particular set.

Eric: Oh okay. So it’s like in a museum.

Keith: So if you have a question…

Eric: Right.

Keith: Yes.

Eric: Okay.

Keith: If you have a question on something, go to them. And I really encourage any visitor to talk to these staff members. They’ll give you information that you just didn’t know.

Andrew: And there’s also the digital guide narrated by Tom Felton. That’s an extra five quid.

Keith: It is. I didn’t listen to it, I didn’t get that, so I don’t know what that’s like.

Andrew: I hear Tom Felton just…

Keith: I would imagine that’d be really…

Andrew: …plugs his Twitter account on it.

[Eric and Keith laugh]


Main Discussion: Harry Potter Studio Tour – Favorite Sets


Andrew: Okay, so what would you say is your top three to five sets? The ones that I guess most wowed you or you just…

Eric: I was going to say, how many sets were there overall? Do we know?

Micah: Three to five.

Keith: You name it, it was there. It was…

Andrew: Eighty-five?

Micah: No, three to five.

Andrew: Oh.

Micah: I was…

Andrew: [laughs] Three to five?

Keith: Boy, narrowing it down to two – I mean, let’s just take Great Hall out of it because I think that’s going to be…

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Keith: …everyone’s favorite, okay? I think that’s just the natural favorite. The Potions Classroom was amazing. And then…

Eric: Is it – which Potions classroom is it? Is it the…

Keith: It’s actually a double-jointed one. It’s the entire Potions classroom, and on one end you have Snape and on the other end you have Slughorn. But they have – the entire room is filled with potion jars. And these potion jars – there’s hundreds of them, okay? I mean, literally hundreds of them. Each one of them has something different inside and hand-labeled with a different name, so there’s no duplicates. And in fact, the person that was standing in front of the Potions classroom was telling us – it was my friend Josee and I – and they were telling us that they would go out to a toy store, for instance, and just get some junk toys, right? Or whatever they could find. And so they got like a toy frog. Well, they would take the frog legs off and then they would do stuff with it, and put it in a jar and label it. So I mean…

Micah: [laughs] That sounds sadistic, almost.

[Eric laughs]

Keith: Yeah. Anything you could think of is in those jars.

[Eric laughs]

Keith: I mean, if you need something it’s probably in there.

Andrew: So top – so what other set? Another one or two?

Keith: Okay, so the Great Hall, the Potion’s Classroom, and then of course, the Hogwarts model is just…

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Keith: Words do not describe what that is like, until you see it.

Eric: Okay, I’ve got to ask: How close can you get to it?

Keith: You’re not going to touch it at all.

Eric: Okay.

Keith: You’re probably going to be ten feet away from any piece of it.

[Eric makes a disappointed sound]

Andrew: It seems so big though, that that doesn’t really matter.

Keith: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, it seems like a large enough scale, but I still worry that I’m going to want to really pour over it.

Andrew: Well, what are you? Four years old? This is a museum! You can’t touch. “Stay away!” says Stuart Craig.

Keith: Well, it’s amazing.

Eric: But I read somewhere else that it was very hands-on.

Keith: Well, the whole tour is hands-on as far as – you can push a couple of little buttons and see some animatronics running. [laughs] That was another cool thing in the creature effects department. You push a little button and you see the Horcrux Voldemort in the King’s Cross area. You see him breathing.

Eric: Oh no!

Andrew: Oh, that’s really cool.

[Keith laughs]

Eric: No! That’s the last thing I wanted to see on that tour. It still haunts my nightmares.

Keith: That is so cool. [laughs]

Eric: Every time I close my eyes I see that thing. I really don’t need to pay to go to London and see it.

Andrew: Is it bloody?

Keith: [laughs] No, it’s not bloody. It’s just white.

Eric: It’s just naked.

Keith: But it’s really cool to push the thing, yeah. [laughs]

Micah: Were there any other interactive elements of the tour?

Keith: There’s a lot of them. There’s a lot of them. In The Burrow, for instance, they have these wands set up so you can move the wand and point it at something. Like, say the iron, and it’ll iron. Or the knitting needles, and it’ll do the knitting needles.

Eric: Oh.

Keith: Or – whatever. There’s a couple of those features in there. The creature effects had a lot of interactive devices in them, but there’s also a movie that plays through the creature effects, and it’s Warwick Davis and Nick Dudman do a film for you. And it’s probably about a four-section film, so you walk into the creature effects area and he starts off with what’s in front of you and how it was originated and created and stuff like that. And then they do a little skit and then he says, “Follow me over here!” so you follow him over there and there’s another piece of it. And it was very funny. I mean, Warwick Davis is hilarious.

Andrew: Yeah.

Keith: And it was just a trip. But going back to the castle for a minute, when you walk into that room, you’re walking on an elevated portion. So you see the top of the castle and obviously there’s a big area there for people to take pictures on. And then gradually, and I mean very slowly, you walk around and down a ramp all the way around it and go back under where you started.

Andrew: Oh cool.

Keith: But take a camera with you that has a good zoom lens on it, and you can create your own shots that you saw in the movie. I did it with where the end of the bridge is and Neville’s standing there going at Scabior, “You and what army?” you know? So I took my camera, I put it right in that position, and I could just picture Neville standing right there.

Eric: That’s cool.

Keith: So really, really cool.

Eric: So there’s grass and stuff on it? And…

Keith: Oh yeah, trees, grass – you would think it’s real.

Eric: Yeah.

Keith: I mean, they – each shingle was laid individually.

Eric: Wow.

Keith: So I mean…

Eric: By, like, sky crane. By, like, Mission Impossible hanging from the ceiling kind of stuff.

Keith: Yeah, exactly. [laughs]


Main Discussion: Harry Potter Studio Tour – Studio J Breakdown


Micah: Now, maybe you mentioned this before, but you said that there’s a Studio J and a Studio K.

Keith: Yeah.

Micah: What’s in between?

Keith: Okay, Studio J is the main set. It has every set that is in the films, with the exception of Diagon Alley. So you have…

Micah: That’s in Orlando in a couple of years.

[Eric laughs]

Keith: Yeah, it is. It’s actually – yeah, you get transported there. It’s a Portkey and you take it right there. But you have the Great Hall, The Burrow, the Potions Room, Dumbledore’s Office, the Ministry of Magic, Umbridge’s Office, just a whole bunch – the Quidditch flying area where you actually get on a broom and fly.

Eric: Was there any…

Keith: And that’s cool.

Eric: That’s cool?

Keith: Oh yeah.

Eric: How do they do that?

Keith: You’re sitting on a broom…

Eric: How is it elevated?

Keith: You put on a robe – they only have one Ravenclaw and the rest are Gryffindors, so sorry for anybody else. But you get on a broom, they – it’s green-screened, and then they tell you, “Go ahead and lean and do whatever you want to,” and you can see yourself on the camera flying through different scenes in the movie. So when they did the escape from Privet Drive to go to Grimmauld Place and they fly across the water there, across the Thames, you’re actually doing that and you see yourself flying.

Eric: Oh cool.

Keith: And then they tell you, “Okay, look at this camera real quick,” and then you look up and look at the camera above, and they take a couple of pictures. And then when you’re done, you get escorted around and they show you your pictures, and of course you want to buy every single one of them. So you go through there. And that wasn’t too bad. It was 12 pounds for one picture, 15 pounds for two, 18 for three, 20 for four.

Eric: Yeah, might as well.

Keith: Just to let people know what you’re spending.

Andrew: How much – how often can you actually touch anything other than the interactive elements? How often – I know in the Great Hall it seems like they have it roped off towards the end where the professors table is, if you will. How often are you able to really get within a set?

Keith: You’re not.

Andrew: No?

Eric: Oh.

Keith: No. You’re not able to really touch anything. I mean, you can reach over and touch some of the costumes. In Studio J, they have a bunch of the costumes. They have a Fleur Delacour outfit, which is really cool, with all of the measurements and everything on how they made it. They have a lot of Evanna Lynch’s costumes in there: the Christmas tree dress that she has, her sundress from the wedding at Deathly Hallows, a whole bunch of those things. And you could probably reach over and touch them, but they’ll probably smack your hand off or do something of that idea.

Andrew: That’s what those people are there for, Eric.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: You were wondering their purpose? That’s what. And they’re worth every penny.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: Well, the – so you can’t go up to the teachers table and – or even the podium that Dumbledore has…

Keith: No.

Eric: …and say, [imitating Dumbledore] “Silence!”?

Keith: No, it’s all roped off in the front of the stairs.

Andrew: That was kind of something that…

Keith: Oh, I would do that. Now, you know I would do that.

Eric: I feel like that’s misrepresenting…

Keith: Andrew’s seen me do that.

[Andrew and Keith laugh]

Andrew: That was something that kind of bothered me about the theme park, the queue for the Great Hall. You can go in and you can see Dumbledore’s office and it’s cool, but I feel like the ropes really take you out of the scene. They go on and on about how immersive everything is, but then they have these ropes up everywhere so you can’t walk up. And I get why they have those, but it’s just…

Eric: Well, with the theme park, too, you can’t get too close because then you’ll realize that Dumbledore’s a hologram and he’s not really there.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: That’s true.

Andrew: True.

Eric: But I think with the…

Micah: He’s like Santa.

Eric: At least he’s… [laughs]

Andrew: Like if you want to take a picture of the…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: …Mirror of Erised at the Wizarding World for example…

Eric: That’s true. That’s…

Andrew: …there’s a gate right in front of it! You can’t take a good picture.

Eric: There’s two lines, in fact, in that. The thing with the ride is that it’s just a queue for a ride. So areas – like the entire inside of Hogwarts, if there’s anything you wanted to see, you pretty much have to just walk right by it while you’re in line, when that line is full. So that’s why that is not a sufficient Hogwarts experience like the studio tours, maybe.


Main Discussion: Harry Potter Studio Tour – Outdoor Sets


Micah: Yeah, just going back though, Keith, what’s in between the two studios?

Keith: You go from Studio J and then you go outside and you grab your Butterbeer, that’s where they serve that. And outside are some of the outside sets. The Knight Bus is out there, the Ford Anglia is out there, Privet Drive, the gravestone for Tom Riddle from Goblet of Fire is out there…

Andrew: Oh cool.

Keith: …the Potters’ cottage is out there. And also the bridge. The bridge is out there, that Neville runs across.

Eric: Awww, no way!

Keith: Yeah. So you can’t walk on it, but you can take a picture of it, and you can see down how it curves and all that stuff, so that was pretty neat.

Eric: Wait, wasn’t that blown up?

Keith: It was. They magically reconstructed it, it was a Reparo.

Eric: Oh!

Andrew: I think they reconstructed a lot of things for this.

Eric: Reparo Maxima!


Main Discussion: Harry Potter Studio Tour – Butterbeer


Andrew: If you want more Butterbeer, can you go back and buy it?

Keith: Yeah. Yeah, you can.

Andrew: Okay. And how much is it?

Keith: I want to say it was 2.50, but don’t take my word on it…

Andrew: Oh, that’s not bad.

Keith: …because I don’t really remember.

Andrew: And it’s the same mugs as in…

Keith: Oh, no.

Andrew: …the Wizarding World park, right?

Keith: No. Oh, no.

Andrew: Oh, no? [laughs]

Keith: It’s a little plastic cup you’re getting.

Andrew: “Oh, no.”

Eric: A little plastic cup?

Keith: Yeah.

Andrew: Does it say “Studio Tour” on it, I guess?

Keith: No, no. I mean, seriously, it’s a clear plastic cup that you get at Kmart.

Andrew: Right. Oh.

Eric: I wonder if they’ll change that.

Andrew: That’s a bit disappointing.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Though I know in the Wizarding World you can get it in plastic cups, and it just says “Wizarding World” on it.

Keith: You know, I didn’t ask. I didn’t ask. So maybe you can. I really don’t know.

Eric: Well, did they have – it obviously – they kept the foam, right?

Keith: Yeah, they kept the foam. They said they brought the same recipe on. Now, Josee said that it wasn’t the same. Now, I know, I’m a bad Harry Potter fan, I’ve never been to the Wizarding World, sorry. Forgive me.

Eric: Wait a minute, you were totally down at the hotel outside the Wizarding World.

Keith: I was down there for that one day, remember? I flew back to Atlanta.

Eric: Oh right.

Andrew: Oh, that’s right.

Eric: I forgot about that.

Keith: Yeah, so I was only down there for the one day. But anyway…

Eric: So no Butterbeer.

Keith: Yeah, so…

Andrew: Well…

Keith: …Josee said it was the same recipe but not the same taste, so I don’t know.

Andrew: It’s the water. I’m telling you, it’s the water.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Yeah, I was just going to say. [laughs] It’s the British water.

Andrew: Because they had it at Wizarding World: Los Angeles, the grand opening, too, and they had the Butterbeer, and I was really excited to have it. And then I tasted it. I’m like, “This is different.”

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: “This is made with smoggy LA water. No wonder.”

Keith: Well, was it more carbonated, do you think?

Andrew: No, it wasn’t. I can’t even tell. It was just a taste thing. It was a taste thing.

Keith: Because this one seemed really carbonated. It seemed like it was pure cream soda, you know what I mean?

Andrew: Yeah, I mean – well, at the Wizarding World it does taste like cream soda. I really – it’s great that the studio tour has this, because a lot of these people in England, I imagine, probably have no plans to go to a Harry Potter theme park. So to get it there in England, where the films and books were created, I think that’s special.

Eric: I think what’s funny about it, or what must be funny about the studio tour, is that all the employees are speaking in British accents, but the people who go to see the studio tour, who live around there, will be least surprised [laughs] or appreciative of that fact.

Keith: I don’t know if I believe that. I think there’s going to be a lot of visitors coming in from the UK, overall. I mean, I think there are going to be a handy amount of people in there from the UK. It’s their biggest attraction they’re going to have.

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Main Discussion: Harry Potter Studio Tour – Was The Trip Worth It?


Andrew: I wanted…

Eric: Well, I mean, what – yeah, go ahead, Andrew.

Andrew: I wanted to ask: Is this worth it for somebody coming over from the US? Or elsewhere?

Keith: It’s an expensive trip. I mean, the secret to me – in my opinion, the secret to going over to the UK for a Harry Potter experience is not only the studio tour, but then do like Josee and I did, and we spent a day in London finding things in the books. We found Charing Cross Road, we ate in a shabby cafe off of Tottenham Court Road like they did in Deathly Hallows

[Andrew laughs]

Keith: …we looked for the Leaky Cauldron entrance, we went to Paddington Station and had a hamburger like Hagrid and Harry did in Sorcerer’s Stone.

Eric: Awww.

Keith: So we made our own little adventure, and then it becomes worth it when you can have some fun like that.

Andrew: Yeah.

Keith: So if you’re going to go, I really encourage you to take a friend with you that has a little bit of a love for Harry Potter and just go nuts.

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, I can see this being the perfect addition to anybody’s tour of England if they’re going over there for other things as well. It doesn’t seem like it’s worth it – and I don’t think anybody was expecting this anyway, but I don’t think it’s worth it just for the studio tour.

Keith: No, you have to do other things.

Andrew: I think you have to do other things…

Keith: Yeah.

Andrew: …like in London, specifically. Yeah.

Keith: Well, there’s that Harry Potter London Taxi Tour that you could take.

Andrew: Yeah.

Keith: I didn’t take it, but I heard that’s pretty good. And it’s a little expensive, but I heard it wasn’t bad.

Andrew: That used to be really good when they were actually filming, because they would take you to the sets, I think. Or try to get you into the sets.

Eric: I haven’t even heard about this. What’s this?

Andrew: Oh yeah, we were posting set pictures from these all the time…

Eric: Oh man.

Andrew: …because they would go into these tours, and while they’re taking these people on tours, they would take pictures and then post them on their website, and then we’d repost them.

Eric: [laughs] Wow.

Andrew: Yeah. It was ñ I think it was the London Bus Company or something like that.

Keith: London ñ yeah, it’s called London Taxi Tour.

Andrew: Oh, that’s it. Okay. Yeah, you’re right.

Keith: Yup.

Eric: London Taxi Tour. The ñ what else was I going to say? Yeah, I pretty much lost it, so…

[Andrew laughs]

Keith: Okay.

[Micah laughs]

Keith: So…

Andrew: Well, I guess we can probably start wrapping up the studio tour talk, right?

Keith: Well, that was Studio J and outside. Now you have to get into Studio K, if you don’t mind.

Andrew: Oh okay.

Eric: So what’s going on?


Main Discussion: Harry Potter Studio Tour – Studio K Breakdown


Keith: Well, Studio K has Diagon Alley in it, so that’s the only set that’s in there that you didn’t see before. But then there’s also all the creature effects and how they made the films: the miniatures, the architectural plans that are all laid out on walls. You see all the details from creative art to the architect to the miniature model to the finished production. So you see all the stages that they did. And just to put a little emphasis on it, these guys are masters of art, and that’s why this film has been so successful. I mean, these guys love everything that they do, and they go way above and beyond of what you’ll see in a movie. So the details were just extraordinary. So then you get done with that, you go through the Hogwarts model area, and then you finish up your tour in this wand room. And in this wand room – it’s almost like walking into an Ollivander’s, a modern Ollivander’s ñ and there’s over 4,000 wand boxes with each name of every person that’s ever worked on the film. So we’re talking from drivers to caterers to J.K. Rowling. I mean, everybody in between.

Andrew: I’m in there, too. I swept the floor once, so I got… [unintelligible]

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Keith: Yeah. I think I saw your box.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Micah: Whoa.

[Andrew and Keith laugh]

Keith: Oh God. So anyway, the guy who’s in there is telling you about some of the stories of these people that helped produce. And the funny thing for me was I was telling him a few stories, too, and he was like, “Okay, I’m going to add that to my repertoire here.”

Andrew: Oh cool.

Keith: So it was kind of fun. And then you go out through the gift shop, and if you think your tour is done, it’s not. Look around, because the walls of the gift shop are from the Gringotts set.

Eric: Oh.

Andrew: Wait, say that again. The walls are what?

Keith: The walls in the gift shop…

Andrew: Yeah?

Keith: …were from the set of the Gringotts. So when you walk into the gift shop…

Eric: How do you know? Is there something distinctive?

Keith: …you’re looking at part of Gringotts. Yes, you can tell it’s from Gringotts.

Andrew: Like how? What is it, stone? Marble?

Keith: Yeah, just the way it’s designed up and everything. It’s actually pieces of the wall from Gringotts are behind the cash registers and stuff. I mean, it’s just – everywhere you go there’s something to see and touch, so keep your eyes open and just look for these little nuances, and you’ll really have a major experience.


Main Discussion: Harry Potter Studio Tour – Excluded Sets


Eric: Do you think – if they were to build a third tower, the R Tower, what would they have in it, do you think? Would they have the actors? What would you like to see if they built a third tower to that tour?

Andrew: What sets would you like to see added?

Eric: Yeah.

Keith: That’s a really good question.

Eric: Was there anything left out that you think – because this is supposed to be the definitive – to hell with the exhibition, to hell with any tours, to hell with anything else. This is Leavesden. This is HP, Harry Potter. Warner Bros. is going to do it right. What would you want to see that there was more of? Would you want more films and interviews and that kind of thing?

Keith: Yeah. I mean, I guess I would love to see The Burrow…

Eric: Or were there any props…

Keith: I would love to see The Burrow in full scale. I would love to see maybe the wedding tent. Maybe a facade of the Quidditch World Cup Stadium.

Eric: Ooh. Yeah, because I wonder how much of that was – obviously not – the wide shots of it were probably all CGI, but even the little bits of set that there were. What about the tent? Was that a set that you saw?

Keith: I didn’t see the tent at all.

Eric: Okay, so the tent – well…

Keith: I didn’t notice that.

Eric: I don’t mean the wedding tent. I mean the one that they stay in when they’re camping.

Keith: No, I know what you mean. The one that you’re saying when they’re camping…

Eric: Yeah.

Keith: …on the road trip. No, I didn’t see the tent at all. It could have escaped me. There’s so much to see, your mind kind of gets overblown with everything, and you’re trying to…

Eric: So is it not one narrow walkway between sets, or – can you branch off? Is it ever labyrinthine or confusing at all in a really cool way?

Keith: No, it’s very, very precise, very thorough.

Micah: Straightforward.

Keith: And straightforward. You just keep on going around in the pattern that they have set up. And you can backtrace a little bit, but overall you’re going in a perfect diagram as to how they want you to flow. I mean, keep in…

Eric: Can you ever see scaffolding? Can you ever see…

Keith: Yes.

Eric: …the sets with…

Keith: Yeah.

Eric: Okay.

Keith: And the plaster. That was another neat little thing that they had told me. The Great Hall, the outside is built with the scaffolding, and you see all the plaster that was used to hold everything together on the outside. And apparently, they used more plaster on that set of the Great Hall than in any film in history. So I guess that’s one thing that Harry Potter has, is the most plaster. [laughs] But again, it’s little things like that that if you don’t talk to a person, you won’t know. Now, they have some fun things for little kids, too. Like you get a passport booklet.

Eric: [laughs] They needed it to hold together for twelve years.

Keith: And it is called the Harry Potter Passport and it looks like a passport, and they have, I think, twelve or thirteen Golden Snitches hanging around in different areas of the thing and so you have to mark off where all the Snitches are. Each set has a different stamp so you can get your stamp taken on this passport. So the little kids can have a little fun, too, making sure that they see everything.


Main Discussion: Harry Potter Studio Tour – Tickets


Eric: What’s the ticket situation? Because I feel like all the tickets sold out, or were they just for the pre-order tickets? Or what’s the…

Keith: Yeah, it’s pre-order only and they’re booked until next year.

Andrew: What?! You mean I can’t go until next year?

Keith: You can’t go. Well, maybe you can.

Eric: I was going to say. So you’re saying it’s now – we said it’s now open to the public. I was going to say, shouldn’t it be – wouldn’t it be smart to only ever pre-order half the available tickets so that locals and people who are just on vacation have at least some hope of…

Keith: You know what? Maybe they have that, I don’t know. But from what I understand the show’s sold out.

Andrew: There are dates open. Oh, there’s tons of dates open, I’m looking right now. I think maybe what you heard or mean is that you can book through next year.

Keith: Maybe.

Andrew: Because I’m looking right now and you can click almost all the days. There are some days that are sold out but not all of them.

Eric: Yeah, because I heard – I mean, we had posted – I think some of the news sites had posted…

Andrew: Yeah, they sold out of the…

Eric: …tickets that were pre-order were sold out.

Andrew: Right.

Keith: That might have been the difference. The pre-orders were sold out, maybe that’s what it was.

Andrew: Right, there’s a certain amount that they opened up at the beginning and they didn’t say the number, and then they closed and they were like, “Oh my God, we’re so popular! Look at us, we sold out!” It could have been five tickets for all we know.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Keith: Well, they’re looking for five to six thousand people per day to go through this thing.

Andrew: That’s crazy.

Eric: Wow, 6,000 people a day?

Keith: They’re saying up to 6,000. I think their goal number is 5,000, but they can accomodate up to 6,000 per day to go through this thing.

Micah: Wow, that’s a lot of Butterbeer.

Eric: That’s a lot.

Keith: If you think about it, it’s like 28 pounds for each ticket, so – let’s just round it to 30 pounds.

[Andrew laughs]

Keith: That’s a lot of bread.

Micah: And they really need the money.

Andrew: Yeah, they really.

Keith: Well, they do. They spent 100 million pounds just to build this thing. So…

Micah: That’s peanuts compared to what Deathly Hallows – Part 2 made.

Andrew: Alone, yeah.

Micah: Alone.

Keith: Yeah. [laughs]

Micah: Yeah, exactly. Never mind throwing the other seven movies on top of it. And the exhibition and the theme park.

Eric: Yeah.


Main Discussion: Harry Potter Studio Tour – Future Additions


Keith: Andrew, you were saying earlier about – yeah, what were you saying earlier?

[Andrew laughs]

Keith: About the studio? If they’re going to add other studio movies into it or something like that?

Andrew: Yeah.

Keith: I don’t see that happening. Because it is filled up, it’s in a way that they don’t want to move it. I can’t see them ever taking anything down on this. I mean, this thing here is in for the long haul. The studios where they film at are going to be available to rent out to other things like Sherlock Holmes filmed at Leavesden. So, other films can be produced.

Andrew: Right. I don’t think they’ll ever downscale the Harry Potter part, but I do think they will add other buildings. The R building, like Eric said.

Keith: Yeah, the R building might come down eventually.

Andrew: Yeah.

Keith: Who knows.

Andrew: It makes sense. I mean, they want to make this appeal to people who aren’t big Harry Potter fans, too. And I’m sure this tour will be very much – very often visited by film aficionados just because they look…

Keith: That’s what I was…

Andrew: Because of the detail in the sets and all that.

Keith: Yeah, exactly. That’s what I was going to say. If you have any art inspiration at all to do any kind of art in your life, whether it be the painting or the creature effects or the animatronics or filmmaking…

Andrew: Set design.

Keith: …or whatever, anything like that at all, you want to go to see this tour and just look at how it’s done. Even costume design. The costume details that they put into this thing – I mean, you just wouldn’t believe the things that you just don’t see on the film. For instance, Umbridge’s dress – one of the pink dresses has two little bows down by her waist, and there’s these two gold buttons and you think they’re just buttons. And then you look at it a little bit closer and you go, “Okay, maybe they’re cats or something like that.” But then you zoom in with a camera and take a shot of it and then you blow it up on your computer, and it’s a tiny skull with diamonds in it. I mean…

Eric: So the surprise aspect of it is very large.

Keith: Oh, it’s huge! The hourglasses – or the house point cups that are in the Great Hall, where the counter is for how much beads are in each cylinder, there’s runes along the side of it. Now, you never even see the house points at all in the movies. You barely notice them, let alone something that has runes on it like that. So the details are just extraordinary.

Andrew: Well, very cool. Keith, thanks for sharing all this info with us. I mean, you’re certainly welcome to stay on for the rest of the show if you want. Or you can leave now. It’s up to you.

Keith: Sure.

Andrew: Okay, cool.

Keith: I’m good.

Andrew: [laughs] So that was the first half of the show. What else is going on in the news, Micah? Besides the studio tour?


News: Pottermore Shop Opens


Micah: You touched on it about forty minutes ago [laughs] and that is that Pottermore should be opening up to everybody in the next couple of days. They announced a few weeks ago that they would be officially opening as of April. Nothing too bad, I guess, when you consider that they’re six months late.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: They projected opening initially in October of 2011, and it’s now April of 2012. So a little bit of a setback for them. I know that they clearly had some things that they were looking to improve. I think the biggest thing though is not even the fact that Pottermore is going to be officially open to everybody. The bigger news coming before that is that Potter is now available on e-book.

Andrew: Yes. This has been a long time coming, and I mean, J.K. Rowling has always held out when it comes to e-books. She and her publishers…

Micah: She likes the smell of paper.

Andrew: Yes, she loves the smell of paper and killing trees.

Micah: [laughs] I’m making that up.

Andrew: And – yeah, so it debuted. The books run, I think, from $7.99 to $11.99? To $12.99?

Eric: I think it was $9.99.

Andrew: Oh okay.

Eric: The first three are $7.99. I thought it – yeah, the first three were $7.99…

Andrew: Yeah, you’re right. You’re right.

Eric: …and then the last four were $9.99. That’s what I read.

Andrew: And then there’s the complete collection for $57.54.

Eric: Okay.

Andrew: And then the audiobook version is $242.94, which I have to say, if you’re – what’s the difference, really? I mean, digital book, digital audio. Why so much more? Why is it four, five times more?

Eric: Well, are you taking the time to read it, or are you having someone read it to you?

Andrew: Oh, so you pay a premium to be read to?

Eric: Yeah. Jim Dale’s voice is not cheap.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay, so…

Eric: He’s got to feed his family, is what I’m saying.

Andrew: Yeah, I guess. So, there is the Pottermore shop. Now, here’s the thing that bugs me – and this is another “Oh, that Pottermore!” kind of move – you have to make a new account to buy these books! You cannot use your existing Pottermore account.

Eric: What?

Andrew: You have to make – yeah, you have to make an entirely new account, I tested this myself. You can’t combine the accounts, which I was just like, “Oh my goodness, another oversight.”

Eric: Hang on, because they weren’t allowing us to do duplicate accounts. That was like illegal. They were like, “If we find you, we’ll cut you,” about doing new accounts.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Like multiple accounts. Especially on one e-mail address, right?

Micah: Yeah, but – I mean, you’re probably signing up as “Andrew Sims,” right? Not as…

Andrew: CatSeeker?

Micah: …ShadowSpell25 or whatever it is.

Andrew: Right, but you still put in your real name when you register for Pottermore, don’t you? So all that information is there.

Micah: I can’t remember, it was too long ago.

Andrew: I’m pretty sure you do.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: So you’re saying you have a Pottermore – you have a shop username that’s not obscured by the vocabulary?

Andrew: Right, right. It’s probably your e-mail address, I’m forgetting now.

Eric: Oh.

Andrew: But – yeah, so they call it a Pottermore Shop account. It’s not your Pottermore account. Anyway, so these have debuted.

Micah: Yeah, you’ve got to have a universal login.

Andrew: They’re available for Kindle, they’re available for Sony E-Readers, of course. Nook? Yeah, I think so. You can get it on your Nook and your iPad one way or another. I know you can’t get the Pottermore books through the Apple iBookstore. You have to get it through a Kindle purchase and then use the Kindle app on your iPad to get the books.

Eric: Oh! Interesting.

Micah: Is this because of Sony? That’s probably why.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I have no idea.

Micah: I would imagine that they might have something to do with that.

Andrew: I read Apple didn’t come to an agreement because – it’s actually rather groundbreaking. Amazon for the first time is sending people to the Pottermore Shop to purchase the books. This is the first time ever that you can’t purchase a Kindle book on Amazon. You have to go to Pottermore to get the Harry Potter books.

Eric: Wow.

Andrew: So that was a little deal that they worked out. I’m sure Amazon wasn’t thrilled, but you can’t really argue with J.K. Rowling. You’ve just sort of got to go with it.

Micah: Well…

Andrew: And that seems to be why Apple hasn’t accepted yet.

Micah: But going back to the whole…

Keith: Answer this for me, Andrew. I still haven’t done it. I went onto Pottermore and I couldn’t find the link to purchase the books. Where do you go for this?

Andrew: Well, it should be…

Micah: It’s in the bottom right…

Andrew: Yeah. If you’re not logged in it says, “Looking for e-books? Available now only at the Pottermore Shop.” I don’t know if they’re actually in the site yet, once you log in.

Keith: Okay, so it’s only on the main home page…

Micah: Right.

Andrew: Right.

Keith: …before you really sign in.

Micah: Well, it would make sense…

Keith: Okay.

Micah: …based on what Andrew is saying, for it to be available once you log in because – and I think the reason why they’re doing this is because they don’t want information tied to your username. This goes back to the whole issue of having kids and protecting – or having kids sign up and protecting their information, and that’s why there are these generic names. They don’t want a name, an address, a phone number, a credit card tied to any of the accounts.

Andrew: Okay.

Eric: I think also…

Micah: That’s probably why you have to have two separate ones.

Eric: I think also, if you have to log in and – like if you had to log in to read the books, that would be crap. I would not agree with that at all. It’s like having a digital copy of a movie that you can’t edit because it’s just like – the user books – in order to – if you’re buying them, if you pay for them, you should be able to carry them around on whatever device you want, you know?

Andrew: That’s true.

Keith: Well, when this thing first came out that’s what I thought the whole Pottermore was for, was to read the books online and experience the writings of J.K. Rowling.

Eric: Right.

Keith: Her little extras as you read the books. That’s what I thought the whole thing was about.

Eric: Yeah, that’s what I thought too, yeah. I agree with you.

Andrew: So, that’s Pottermore e-books. Anything…

Eric: I hear the audiobooks are also coming to vinyl.

[Andrew laughs]


News: New Features Added on Pottermore


Andrew: [laughs] Another Pottermore addition was they added sounds to the website.

Eric: Ooh. I haven’t experienced these yet. Are they everywhere or what?

Andrew: They’re in places. There are background noises for when you are in different rooms, so if you’re in the Potions room you’ll hear a dungeon-esque sound.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Things like that.

Eric: What was that sound? Oh, it was dungeon-esque.

Andrew: Yeah. If – towards the end of the book – I was playing around with it a little bit ago. Towards the end of the book you can hover over flames and get a little crackling sound. Stuff like that. It’s nothing groundbreaking.

Keith: So if you blow up your cauldron, does it blow up? [laughs]

Andrew: I don’t know, I haven’t done a full run-through yet. But the way they talked about it on the Pottermore Insider, it sounded like they – it was a work in progress, they were going to add more. And they also redid the points. Now I see there’s a thirteen million number on Pottermore.

Eric: [laughs] Yeah! I see that, too, for my house.

Andrew: I have no clue what that means.

Eric: Ugh. I don’t know.

Andrew: I mean, what does it mean if we have thirteen million points? I just…

Eric: As a collective house?

Andrew: And – yeah. It’ll be interesting to see when this actually opens, because then we’ll find out if they actually changed the sorting system so you’re actually sorted into your real house.

Eric: Wait, do we ever get definitive that we weren’t? That it wasn’t?

Andrew: Didn’t they say that? Didn’t they say they were changing that or something?

Eric: Ooh, I didn’t see that. Well, just so that – because we wondered if it was a population control thing, where it was just X amount of – based on a certain – what’s the word? Algorithm, there we go.

Andrew: Yes. But we’ll see once it opens – I’m actually surprised they didn’t start hiding the number of members in the houses yet, because it looks embarrassing, to me, if you see that all the houses have the same number of people.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Clearly, there’s some trickery going on here. And – so we don’t know, again, when Pottermore is going to actually open up, but we’ll find out, hopefully – I imagine in the next week or two. They said early April.

Eric: Well, they said April, right? So…

Andrew: And the shop’s open, so it has to be close.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: We have to be close. What else is going on in the news, Mike-R?


News: David Yates Discusses Removing Dumbledore’s Funeral Scene


Micah: Mike-R. Well, [laughs] the next piece of news actually relates to the studio tour. There was a press event that took place prior to its official opening, and Selina, who’s actually going to be on our live show at LeakyCon – which we’re going to talk about in a little bit – she got the chance to go for Hypable and speak with director David Yates. And one of the things that he spoke to her about was Dumbledore’s funeral. I guess they had some concept art laid out from the films and one of the pictures was of Dumbledore’s funeral, and so that’s what prompted the question. And his response was, “That scene was in and out, and in and out again. It was a rhythmic thing. It felt weirdly book-ended. So you would read the script and you’d get to Dumbledore’s death, and it felt climactic and moving. And then we went to the Great Hall, and this austerity – it sort of felt weirdly complete. And then you got to this grand funeral, and it felt less about the man and more about the pomp of the ceremony, and it felt oddly less connected. So just rhythmically…”

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: “…it felt wrong.” When he’s speaking, he’s speaking like, [imitating David Yates in a soft voice] “So just rhythmically, it felt wrong.”

Andrew: [imitating David Yates in a soft voice] Just rhythmically… [mumbles]

Micah: [still imitating David Yates] “But I love that scene.” [laughs]

Eric: He’s totally passionate about it. He’s explaining it.

Micah: “But I love that scene. It’s a beautiful scene in the book, but it felt wrong in the movie.”

Eric: So…

Andrew: Translation: It’s a pacing thing. Pacing, pacing, pacing, pacing, pacing.

Eric: [laughs] He’s always said that, though. And it’s true. I guess he just felt like there were too many – I think even when he talked about that before he said that it just felt like there were too many endings of that book. Or in that movie or something.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: So – I mean, the pomp of the ceremony? What does that mean? Because I think really if you were to get all those great actors onto the set to do that it would be fine. There really can’t be any real reason not to include that in the film, right? Other than…

Micah: Yeah. I mean, the only pomp that I can think about is – didn’t you have the merpeople coming out of the lake and the centaurs coming out of the forest? And…

Eric: But that’s about the man.

Micah: I agree.

Eric: That’s more about Dumbledore than in any other part of those books.

Micah: And his tomb bursts into flames. So there is sort of that element to it, but that’s also in a way related to who he is and his personality. And I think that – I was always disappointed that this was left out of the films because – I don’t know. Obviously, David Yates at the end of the day [laughs] knows more about making films than I do, so if he says it felt wrong for the movie, I believe him. But…

Andrew: I don’t.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: I just think having him fall from a tower and then having all the students point their wands into the sky to get rid of the Dark Mark just didn’t cut it. This is one of the biggest deaths in the entire series.

Eric: Well, you also have to look at – I mean, I think a lot of the problem is they weren’t able to flush out what kind of an impact Dumbledore had on the larger wizarding world. The world outside of Hogwarts doesn’t exist in many of the movies, at least until – hell, Movie 6 when he dies is when it becomes important because you’re going to another side of London where Tom Riddle was born. But Dumbledore doesn’t have the same impact. Even the lines like, “Great man, Dumbledore,” are drastically cut short in the films and you never get a sense of him being a greater figure for the rest of the wizarding world to look up to. In the films he can serve only as a two-dimensional mentor to Harry in a way. So having other people show up, even people we’ve never met, but people that were in the books just show up and pay tribute to this man – yeah, it would be emotional because look at all these people. But ultimately it’s like, “Who are these people and why are they here?”

Micah: Even Umbridge was there.

Eric: Umbridge was there but Harry was angry about that, and that plot thread had already been resolved at that point in the movie. I just feel like I understand what David Yates is saying and I’m okay with it not being in the movie.

Keith: Yeah, but keep in mind that the book Dumbledore was loved and the film Dumbledore, Michael Gambon, was not loved.

Andrew: At the beginning at least. I liked him more and more as the films…

Keith: He was loved in “6” and “7” but not in “4” and “5”.

Andrew: Yeah.

Keith: Especially “4”.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Maybe just the whole Dumbledore thing in general is awkward for the films, because they had to replace the actor and the different directors chose to portray Dumbledore in different lights. Even Michael Gambon – as you said, Andrew, even by “6” and “7” he became really lovable. But throughout, the transition was always a little more rocky with that character.


Andrew Rides Dragon Challenge


Andrew: Hey, by the way, while we’re in between news stories, I went to the Wizarding World last week and I finally went on Dueling Dragons. Man, that’s intense! Quick, thank God, but intense.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: For me. I’m not a big ‘coaster guy. That’s some ride.

Micah: Did you go on all the others?

Eric: Have you gone on Flight of the Hippogriff?

Andrew: Yeah, I went on – no, no, no, [laughs] I didn’t go on – I think I’m done with Flight of the Hippogriff. [laughs]

Eric: Are you kidding? I can ride that a hundred times.

Andrew: Well, it’s fun but it’s like two seconds – it’s for kids. It is cool. But yeah, I went on Dueling – or Dragon Challenge. It was neat.

Eric: What dragon were you?

Andrew: The red one. We had heard that the red one was the better one, I think.

Eric: There’s a slightly better view, I think, of the castle from one of them.

Andrew: My eyes were closed the entire time so it didn’t matter.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: It did not matter. [laughs] Anyway, what else is going on in the news?

MuggleCast 251 Transcript (continued)


News: Harry Potter: Wizard’s Collection Gets Trailer, Release Date & Features List


Micah: Well, apparently – I don’t know if this is an April Fools’ joke or not – Harry Potter: The Wizard’s Collection got a trailer, release date, and feature list.

Andrew: Why is this a joke? What’s so funny about this? Well, the price is a joke.

Keith: We had this in our…

Andrew: Oh.

Keith: Yeah, 350 bucks.

Andrew: Yeah, $350 from Amazon. We talked about that on the last episode.

Micah: That’s what the joke is.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: But since then there’s been some features announced. And actually the most interesting part about this is that they’re going to be premiering some of these features on HarryPotter.com.

Eric: Of course they are.

Andrew: And you’re going to be able to watch some of these, so you’re going to be able to get some of these without buying the $350 set. And we’re also finally getting the final two parts of the Harry Potter documentary, which apparently were only to be available in the Ultimate Editions, but now it’s almost starting to look like they are not releasing the seventh and eighth ones in the Ultimate Editions.

Eric: What a fail.

Keith: That’s frustrating because I have the other six.

Andrew: Yeah, me too.

Keith: So I want to have the complete set of the Ultimate Editions.

Andrew: Right.

Keith: And now I’m not going to be able to get that without buying this thing.

Andrew: Well, let’s hope that they…

Keith: I think that’s going to frustrate fans.

Andrew: …do actually release those, the Ultimate Editions. Maybe they’re just going to wait until after the Wizard’s Collection is out?

Eric: They just need to stop releasing stuff. They just need to stop. They need to say it’s all out there…

Andrew: Well, it’s not right now. They took it all away. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah, I guess.

Andrew: So Part 7 is going to be with Deathly Hallows – Part 1. It’s the “Creating the World of Harry Potter Part 7: The Story.” And then Part 8, called “Growing Up,” will be with Part 2.

Eric: Like a retrospective.

Andrew: And actually, very interestingly, the – there’s a list of some of the features: over four hours of features, including an extended “Conversation with J.K. Rowling and Daniel Radcliffe,” with fifteen minutes of new footage!

Eric: Hmm.

Andrew: So let’s hope there’s some good stuff in there. I mean, a lot of good stuff came out of that initial one.

Eric: So good that they cut it from the actual movie released.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Well, they were probably saving it for the Ultimate Editions, right?

Micah: Are they that desperate that they’re having special features of the special features? Or extended editions of the special features?

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: And where there any outtakes listed?

Keith: I just want one disc that has bloopers. That’s what I want.

Eric: Yeah.

Keith: I want the outtakes and I want the bloopers on one disc.

Eric: Was there a bloopers thing list in the features list?

Andrew: No, no, but they said, “Additional features will be revealed on HarryPotter.com.”

Eric: Oh, come on.

Andrew: You’re also going to get exclusive memorabilia, including a map of Hogwarts, concept art prints, catalogues of props and posters, all designed by the graphic designers from the films.

Eric: Ooh.

Andrew: And these too will be revealed on HarryPotter.com.

Micah: Well, I do remember from our conversation with David Yates that he did say that bloopers would be available in the future.

Eric: Well, he said that they exist, so I’m wondering why we haven’t seen them.

Micah: Well…

Andrew: It actually…

Micah: I don’t know what to tell you.

Andrew: It actually says, “One new feature will be revealed each week between now and September.” But nothing…

Eric: I was going to say, September 9th is when it’s coming out. The fact that it’s available for pre-order now is fun. I wonder how many people…

Micah: [laughs] It’s so you can save up and start making down payments.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Right. If you save – how many – okay…

Eric: Let’s see, how many – okay, September…

Andrew: How many weeks? It’s like…

Eric: Nine – five months.

Andrew: May, June, July…

Eric: Twenty weeks. Yeah.

Andrew: It’s five months times five. So if you – so $350…

Micah: 15 bucks.

Andrew: …divided by – 15 bucks?

Micah: Well, what is it? It’s $350?

Andrew: $350 divided by twenty-five-ish weeks. So yeah, put $15 in your…

Eric: That’s – yeah, $15.

Andrew: …Hogwarts piggy bank every week…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: …between now and September, and you will have enough to get the Amazon discounted version of this.

Eric: Which you most likely already own most of, 95% of, and then you’ll be able to see the rest on HarryPotter.com.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: Can we hope for review copies?

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: I was just going to ask that!

Andrew: Start begging now.

Eric: Start a Harry Potter website and ask for a review copy from Warner Bros.

Andrew: HarryPotter.com has been updated. The entire site has been replaced by a promotion for the Wizard’s Collection. So – and you can use wand gestures to open the box on the site. Don’t even ask me.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: It’s just as annoying – the gestures are – as Pottermore.

Micah: Do you have to speak it? Or do you have to click on a…

Andrew: No, you have to make wand movements. And I’m trying to do one right…

Keith: It’s just like the Harry Potter: Spells thing.

Micah: Oh.

Keith: You have to do lightning bolt to do something…

Micah: Oh.

Keith: …and all that sort of thing.

Andrew: And once again, I’m trying to do a very simple wand gesture right now and it won’t do it. What…

Micah: Start jabbing at it, the…

Andrew: I – honestly, this is the worst…

Eric: How can you jab on a mouse?

Keith: You’re not a wizard, Andrew.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Wand gestures should never have existed in video games, on the websites, anything. It’s bad. It does not work. What else is going on in the – well, that’s it for news. But there’s other news to talk about.

Micah: Yeah. So…

Andrew: Mike-R.

Micah: [laughs] Is that my new nickname?

Andrew: Yes.


News: MuggleNet’s April Fool’s Prank Picked Up by Entertainment Weekly


Micah: Okay. As many people know, April Fool’s Day was on Sunday this past week, and MuggleNet, for a long time, has been notorious for pulling April Fool’s pranks. And I think, personally, the best one, a couple of years ago, was Emerson coming up with the idea that MuggleNet was being shut down by Warner Bros. To me, that still stands out as the best one, and I don’t know that anybody could ever really top it. But we did come up with an idea for J.K. Rowling’s new book and to release the title on Sunday morning. And – now, not everybody bought into it, which was to be expected, but…

Andrew: I received a text at, like…

[Keith laughs]

Andrew: …fifteen minutes prior to me waking up normally, saying, “J.K. Rowling has announced the title of the book, but I’m not…”

Micah: [laughs] Okay, so we got somebody. We got one person.

Andrew: Well, hold on. And they said, “But I’m not around to post it,” because they wanted me to post it on Hypable.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: And I jumped out of bed and loaded up the computer and started looking. And I didn’t even see the prank at this time, I just did a quick look on Twitter, didn’t see anything. I was like, “Wow, this is -” and then I thought the person who texted me was pranking me.

[Keith laughs]

Andrew: Like that was their prank to me. [laughs] So I sent them a very rude text back and then went back to sleep.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Anyway…

[Keith laughs]

Micah: So what we did was we came up with this title that was an anagram for “April Fool’s Day,” it was called Lairs of Lady Po. It was something along the lines of possibly what a mystery novel could sound like, because that’s been the speculation of what she has been working on. So Eric created this great image, which I didn’t know until I spoke to him yesterday. It’s a real typewriter. That typewriter actually exists in his house. He took actual parchment, put it in the typewriter – with the title, Lairs of Lady Po by J.K. Rowling – and sprayed it with fake blood, and took a picture of it. And that’s the actual picture that was used. And the whole point of this, the point I’m getting to, which was really cool, is that it was picked up by Entertainment Weekly. Yesterday, they released a blog post about it, saying that the “merry pranksters at MuggleNet” were at it again. So – and look, we do this every year, I know people who go to our site on a regular basis know it. I just don’t like the people out there who can’t have a good laugh, who think the joke is stupid, or – take a chill pill!

Andrew: They just want to act all smart, being like, “Oh, I knew this was fake. Nice try, guys.”

Eric: Right. Well, the most interesting thing about Entertainment Weekly picking it up is that they said that they contacted Little, Brown about [laughs] the title reveal. They said they went to them for – to confirm it, to confirm that this was the title, and that Little, Brown didn’t deny it but that they said they had no further information to reveal regarding – that hadn’t already been said about J.K. Rowling’s project. So…

Andrew: The publicist was probably thrown through a loop. I mean…

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: On a Sunday, no less.

Andrew: …it was a Sunday. Yeah.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: On a Sunday. But the funniest – it was funny to us, that – obviously we had a lot of people who didn’t like it, who were very vocal about it, “Oh, this is dumb.” But then other people were like, “This is really cool.” And then some people were really taken by it, sorry. But that we could get a response out of Little, Brown through all of this web talk and noise was just really funny. I think that was when Micah knew that his work was worth it, because I remember the day before April Fool’s Day – so it was the last day – we’re still trying to find a title that works. Because we had one, Micah really liked the word “lair.” He was like, “It needs to say ‘lair’ no matter what.” So we’re looking on this huge list of anagrams of “April Fool,” “April Fool’s Day,” “April Fools,” all this stuff, looking at these different anagrams to use for the title of this book. And it was just kind of a fun time, and executed, and that was our April Fool’s joke. So I was really happy that at the very least, it got as far as Entertainment Weekly and it even got as far as – to Little, Brown. But it was relevant because we don’t know the title of JKR’s book yet.

Micah: Yeah. Well, I think – and what…

Keith: Well, the funny thing is – I’m sorry, Micah – I even knew that we were doing this, but at the same time, Micah sends me over a text saying, “Okay, well Eric’s doing the cover for Lairs of Lady Po,” and I’m like, “What’s that? Is that some kind of kung-fu movie that’s coming out or something?” So even though I knew this thing was going on [laughs] I had no idea that we had come up with a title. And it was so perfect.

Eric: Yeah. It was enigmatic. But I do want to say the credit for the image goes to my roommate Skyler who has a working old typewriter. And Micah for coming – he basically told me what to do, and I did it. So he was like, “You know that old typewriter look?” and I was like, “Yeah, I know exactly what you’re talking about. I’m going to do it,” so we did it. So that was cool. Just kind of cool to get as far as Little, Brown. That was kind of cool. It was a fan moment.

Andrew: Very good. Well, nice job, guys. I can’t wait to see what’s in store next year. The sequel title.

Eric: Next year LeakyCon is going to the moon, from what I hear.


Announcements: LeakyCon 2012 & Ascendio 2012


Andrew: [laughs] Well yeah, speaking of LeakyCon – actually, we haven’t mentioned this yet, even though we’ve mentioned it on Twitter and Facebook and all those places. This summer, MuggleCast is going to be at LeakyCon 2012 and Ascendio 2012. Ascendio is run by HPEF, they’ve put on Prophecy, Infinitus, all those. Ascendio is from July 12th to the 15th at Loews Portofino Bay. That is a Universal Orlando property, so there’s going to be a party at The Wizarding World of Harry Potter theme park. And then there is going to be LeakyCon just a few weeks later, August 9th to the 12th at the Hilton Chicago. So two different places in the country Harry Potter conferences will be happening. I think us four will all be at LeakyCon. Ascendio – Keith, are you going to Ascendio?

Keith: Yeah. Well, I’m in the fashion show…

[Andrew laughs]

Keith: …so I hope to be there.

Eric: [laughs] The fashion show?

Andrew: Keith, Micah, and Eric will be at Ascendio. I will be at Comic-Con then.

Eric: Ooh.

Andrew: Not Ascendio.

Eric: Same weekend.

Andrew: But all of us will be at LeakyCon. So keep a heads-up on those. I think there’s going to be a MuggleCast at both of them. Definitely at LeakyCon. We haven’t nailed down the Ascendio plans just yet.

Eric: Yeah, if we do Ascendio we’ll have to have you on through the web. We’ll have to find you at Comic-Con when you’re not doing something.

Andrew: You may Skype me in.

Eric: Yes, we will Skype you.

Andrew: Via Skype video, yes.

Eric: Because you need to be a part of it, because you’ve been at all the other HPEF cons, and it’s a shame you’re missing this one.

Andrew: Yeah, I know, I know, but I can’t resist Comic-Con. I can’t do two Harry Potter cons this summer, it’s too much.

Eric: [laughs] Too much Butterbeer.

Andrew: I can’t handle so much fun.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: And too much – yeah, all that Butterbeer. I just can’t do it. So, any programming events we can promote? I guess that answers that question.

Eric: Oh…

Andrew: [laughs] Okay.

Eric: Yeah, well that also – and I’m in – there’s a musical going to happen at Ascendio called Mischief Managed and I’m playing James Potter.

Andrew: Oh, very cool.

Eric: It’s a story of the Marauders.

Andrew: Very cool.

Eric: So it’s going to be cool.

Andrew: So we just wanted to tell you what our presence is going to be in the summer at the Harry Potter cons. Every year we are participating in at least one con, so that’s what’s coming up this summer for MuggleCast.


Pottermore Discussion: Wands


Andrew: To wrap up the show, we are going to talk a little bit about Pottermore, the new content from J.K. Rowling, because it is opening, so we are going to start talking about it. If you don’t want to hear any of the spoilers concerning the new content that’s on Pottermore, don’t proceed any further. But we’re not going to get into too many spoilers, these are pretty general things. But they are new, written by J.K. Rowling specifically for Pottermore. I don’t think we should go through all of these just because we’re already at an hour, ten.

Eric: Yeah, timing issues. What should we – should we pick one? Let’s do wands, then, because it’s the biggest – the three-segment…

Andrew: Wands?

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Okay, okay. So yeah, one of the biggest additions in Pottermore – one of the biggest new pieces of information in Pottermore – are the wands, and you get to read all about every single wand type in Chapter 5. This is the chapter where Bruce goes to – did I just say Bruce?

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I was reading a Bruce Springsteen tweet.

Eric: Mr. Springsteen. [laughs]

Andrew: Where Harry goes to Ollivander and learns about the wands, and he gets his wand. So J.K. Rowling has a good thirty wands listed here. Did any of these stand out to you guys? Did you guys read all this information?

Eric: I did. And the thing is – the good thing about Pottermore is you can always go back to it, which is really cool. Because there’s – she has said in interviews that she came up with and did a lot of research about different trees and different types of wood, and based on the characteristics of the tree – if it’s like, “Grows only at night,” she inferred those characteristics and put them into what maybe the wand would do that had that type of wood. So – whereas the wand cores are all magical things, so she can make it up completely. The woods, actually, are different types of woods, and so using her research – which until now had been kept from us – she would assign those types of wands to characters. So you can go back, and basically when you’re reading the books now, you can see – it’ll say somebody has a certain type of wand. Well, you can go look at that wood and look it up on Pottermore, and there’s at least one paragraph saying a ton about where the wood comes from and what its characteristics are. So I just thought this was really cool, really handy, and a lot closer to the encyclopedia side of things than the interactive Flash animation side of things for Pottermore. So that’s why I really liked it. Plus, you’re given…

Micah: His first name is Garrick?

Eric: …a wand. Yeah, Garrick Ollivander. The…

Andrew: And that was new. That was new information.

Eric: Yeah, that was new. The whole wand section, everything from Jo, is said to be taken from the notes of Garrick Ollivander. So that’s cool. She’s writing it as if he’s in the first person, so that’s really cool.

Micah: So are we going to go around the table, then, and say for Pottermore what type of wand we got?

Andrew: Yes. Can…

Micah: Or chose us, for that matter?

Andrew: Yes, [imitating Ollivander] “The wand chooses you, Mr. Potter.” [normal voice] I just looked at all this wand information and I was just thinking, “How does Jo come up with this stuff?” It’s really incredible. I mean, there’s so much here.

Eric: It just goes to show that she did so much research.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: It’s unbelievable.

Andrew: So mine is a twelve-and-a-half inch dragon-core fir wand that is reasonably supple.

Eric: Fur?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: How is that…

Andrew: That’s the wood.

Eric: Is that – oh, that’s – the wood is dragon fur?

Andrew: Fir. Just F-I-R, fir.

Eric: Oh, fir, okay. That wood – I’m going to read the description here. Actually, the survivor’s wand. It’s…

Andrew: It “produces wands that demand staying power and strength of purpose in their true owners, and that they are poor tools in the hands of the changeable and indecisive.” Yes, this is perfect for me, I agree.

Eric: Fir wands are good at Transfiguration, and favor owners of focused, strong-minded and intimidating demeanor.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Look at that. I’m going to double-check what mine is. Mine is…

Andrew: To see yours, you click your user profile name at the top.

Eric: Right, got it. Mine is made of hornbeam. It’s ten-and-three-quarter inches with phoenix feather core. Hornbeam – I recall really liking the description of this wood here. Oh, Ollivander’s own wand is made of hornbeam. It is with “all due modesty that I state that hornbeam selects for its life mate the talented witch or wizard with a single, pure passion, which some might call obsession (though I prefer the term ‘vision’).” So that was funny. Hornbeam wands are adaptable and they absorb their owner’s code of honor, whatever that might be, and they will refuse to perform acts that don’t align with that, so that’s weird. But I thought it was cool because it’s like he’s talking about wand woods or even wands being sentient, which is Ollivander’s whole shtick, but that’s given some more weight in these wand descriptions. Micah, what’s yours?

Micah: Mine is vine, ten-and-three-quarter inch, core is unicorn, and flexibility hard.

Eric: Hmm.

[Andrew and Keith laugh]

Eric: Is that not flexible, then? Is that…

Micah: I guess not. [laughs] It’s not reasonably supple.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Are you flexible, Micah? IRL, in real life? Like, can you do…

Micah: Well, look, this is the wrong podcast…

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: …for that conversation.

Eric: Oh.

[Keith and Micah laugh]

Eric: So vine wands…

Andrew: I just want to know, like, if you can do somersaults.

Eric: This is…

Micah: Oh. Absolutely.

Andrew: Oh okay.

Eric: This is…

Keith: Can you touch your toes without bending your knees?

Eric: Ooh.

Micah: No. [laughs]

Eric: Not even sure I can do that.

Andrew: Can you lick your elbow?

Micah: Probably not.

Andrew: Oh. Nobody can do that, that’s okay.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: Vine wands, from the page, “are among the less common types, and I have been intrigued to notice that their owners are nearly always those witches or wizards who seek a greater purpose, who have a vision beyond the ordinary, and who frequently astound those who think they know them best.” Micah, I’m going to take this opportunity to tell you how much you astound me often.

Micah: Well, thank you.

Andrew: And finally, Keith, what is yours?

Keith: Well, I have an extremely long one. I’m like the longest one besides Hagrid, I think.

Eric: Oh, come on. We’re talking about your Pottermore wand.

Keith: I am too! Fourteen-and-a-half inches long. Fourteen-and-a-half inches long with fir…

Andrew: Wow. Wow.

Keith: …with a unicorn…

Eric: Jesus, that’s a freaking – that’s not even a ruler.

Micah: [laughs] You really are Mikey.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: That’s a yardstick, man. [laughs]

Keith: Yeah, no kidding.

Andrew: Oh my goodness. Oh no.

Keith: It matches.

Eric: What’s it made out of?

Andrew: Go ahead. So tell us – yeah, what type so Eric can look it up.

Keith: It’s fir wood with a unicorn core, and it’s quite bendy.

Eric: Huh. Fourteen inches and bendy. Well, fir is the same as Andrew’s, so again, very resilient people who can be intimidating.

Andrew: Interesting. Interesting.

Eric: Well, I think the fact that it’s fourteen-and-three-quarter inches is pretty intimidating. So that’s pretty crazy. But – yeah, the other thing is J.K. Rowling wrote about the cores and the length versus flexibility, and what that says about a wizard as well. So there’s three different items of wands. Of course, you get your own wand in Pottermore, and I think overall it’s one of the really standout parts of the first book.

Andrew: I agree.

Eric: In Pottermore’s…

Andrew: I agree. And this kind of information, this level of detail, this is something that I’m hoping to get out of the other books in the future, when we learn about other aspects of the Harry Potter books. It’s going to be interesting to see what else is to come. And hopefully everybody who gets into Pottermore when it does open to the public gets a wand that they are happy with. A long one. Reasonably supple.

Eric: [laughs] Yeah, I was just going to say…

Keith: I can’t wait to learn about Dawlish.

Eric: Dawlish?

Andrew: Yeah.

[Keith laughs]

Andrew: And I want more on the house-elves. I mean, there’s so much information Jo could write about.

Micah: Yeah, are they flexible?

Eric: Book 1 is just the – yeah, Book 1 is really just the beginning, you know? Not to say that, but – of course it’s obvious, but still, there’s a lot that happens in the later books that she could definitely write much more in-depth about. But I think the fact that we’re getting all the wandlore and stuff here is relevant and important and appropriate.


Listener Tweets: Favorite New Content From J.K. Rowling on Pottermore


Andrew: Definitely. Well, we asked people who follow us on Twitter – Twitter.com/MuggleCast – to tell us what their favorite part of Pottermore is. And you know what? We actually didn’t get many responses which is odd, which I guess tells us that nobody is really in Pottermore yet. That makes it easy, though. So let’s see, we’ll go through a couple here. This is so weird. Only a couple of people submitted. That’s very odd. fotogurl44 says:

“I love all the new info on McGonagall, her story is so amazing! I can’t wait to get more info on adult characters!”

I agree. And we’ll talk about all the new McGonagall info on a future episode. kristenburford said:

“The writer doesn’t seem to understand the difference between…”

Never mind, that’s something else. ZerminaK says:

“My favorite JKR new content has to be about how the Dursleys got together. Both humorous and cool to hear how James insulted Vernon.”

And that, too, we’ll talk about on a future episode. And finally, Skintish says:

“Umm, I think the little notes on ‘Fantastic Beasts’ by the trio are really cool. Also keep thinking what’s her new book.”

Wow, great English here.

“Didn’t she say, ‘I’m writing a political fairytale’?”

And one more. SeverusSnapeist says:

“The backstory on McGonagall and what the different wands mean. I’d like backstory on Pettigrew though.”

So let’s talk about McGonagall on the next episode. By then, hopefully everybody will actually be in Pottermore. Then we could talk about it together and all that.


Show Close


Andrew: Before we say goodbye, we’d like to remind everybody about our website. MuggleCast.com has all the information you need about this podcast that we do each and every month. On the right side, you can find links to our iTunes which lets you subscribe and review us. You can follow us on Twitter, Twitter.com/MuggleCast. You can like us on Facebook, Facebook.com/MuggleCast, and our fan Tumblr, which is MuggleCast.Tumblr.com. And also on the MuggleCast website you can find transcripts, about all the hosts, and oh so much more.

Micah: Transcripts about all the hosts? You mean bios?

Andrew: Umm…

Micah: Or transcripts of each episode?

Andrew: Transcripts about each episode. And I thought I also said, “And the ‘About Us’ page.”

Eric: Can you find out more about Bruce?

Micah: No.

Andrew: No.

Micah: I don’t think so. [laughs]

Andrew: No new info about Bruce is available there. That’s coming soon, though. Don’t you worry, Eric.

Eric: [laughs] Okay.

Andrew: Thanks everyone for listening! From Hypable.com, I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: From MuggleNet.com, I’m Eric Scull.

[Show music begins]

Micah: From MuggleNet.com, I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Keith: And from MuggleNet.com, I’m Keith Hawk. Or Michael. Depends on which one you’re looking to.

Micah: Mikey.

Andrew: Mikey.

Keith: Mikey.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: [laughs] Never Michael.

Andrew: Yeah, don’t call him that.

Eric: Is his real name Michael?

Andrew: He wouldn’t like that.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I don’t think he would like that.

Micah: Not at all.

Andrew: All right, we’ll see everybody next time. Goodbye!

Eric: Goodbye!

Keith: Bye!

Micah: Bye!

[Show music continues]

Transcript #250

MuggleCast 250 Transcript


Show Intro


[“Hedwig’s Theme” plays]

Andrew: Because we would even read a book by Jo about sixteenth century basket-making, this is MuggleCast Episode 250 for March 2nd, 2012.

[Show music begins]

Andrew: This week’s podcast is brought to you by Audible.com, the Internet’s leading provider of audiobooks, with more than 100,000 downloadable titles across all types of literature, including fiction, non-fiction, and periodicals. For a free audiobook of your choice, go to AudiblePodcast.com/MuggleCast.

[Show music continues]

Andrew: Well, for the…

Ben: Yeah!

Andrew: …250th time…

Ben: Uh-huh.

Andrew: …welcome to MuggleCast. It is a landmark episode.

Ben: Two-fiddy.

Andrew: A landmark podcast.

Ben: Two-fiddy.

Andrew: A – it’s a huge, momentous occasion. And here to celebrate with us is Ben Schoen.

Ben: Two-fiddy.

Andrew: [laughs] Returning after a long while. He’s feeling very nostalgic, he’s wearing his MuggleCast 2006 Lumos shirt.

Ben: Yeah, just for the show, man.

Andrew: But then…

Eric: Oh man, the grey one?

Andrew and Ben: Yeah.

Eric: Awww, I missed that shirt.

Andrew: I was really touched and then I realized his whole wardrobe is MuggleCast shirts.

Micah: Does it still fit you?

Ben: Yeah, it’s all I wear. Yeah, it still fits me! What are you trying to say?

Eric: What are you insinuating?

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Ben: What’s the insinuation?

Micah: No, I’m just saying you’re a little bit older now, though. You grew a little taller since then.

Andrew: Yeah, it has been six years.

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: It’s been a while.

Ben: Whereas I used to fill it – now I fill it out with solid, lean body mass.

Andrew: Right. [laughs] Check out Ben’s body on Twitter.com/benschoen.

Ben: “Ben’s body.”

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Ben: It’s the new Twitter account.

Andrew: [laughs] I do not want to see that. Anyway, Micah, Eric, and I are here. We were also supposed to have one other host but this person…

Ben: She bailed.

Andrew: Bailed, yeah.

[Eric laughs]

Ben: She bailed.

Andrew: I wasn’t even going to reveal the gender but…

Micah: Well, that automatically…

Ben: Oh.

Andrew: …that’s okay.

Micah: …narrows it down to one person.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: Yeah, Laura.

Eric: It’s very narrow.

Andrew: Laura is in Costa Rica. There’s time confusion, that may have been what’s happening. But we’ll get her on a different episode.

Eric: There’s also a language barrier. I don’t know.

Andrew: Yes.

Ben: Yeah.

Eric: Costa Rica.

Andrew: Yeah, she said – she e-mailed me last night. She was like, “I’m going to be speaking Spanish the whole time.” I’m like, [takes a deep breath] “No, you’re not.”

[Eric laughs]

Ben: We tried to call in some translators and all that, but…

Andrew: That’s what I said to her, I said we’d have a translator on the show.

Ben: …we couldn’t get any arranged in time.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: Yeah. So we had differences we couldn’t sort out, so that’s why…

Eric: Although – also…

Ben: She was un-reconciling.

Eric: …we should clarify about the red-head that we promised last episode.

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: Ben, you’ve dyed your hair red recently?

Ben: Yeah, this is true.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: This is true.

Eric: Is it – brings out your Irish heritage.

Andrew: So that’s the surprise guest.

Ben: And Eric shaved his head lately.

Eric: You’re Ben O’Schoen, is that you?

Ben: Ben O’Schoeno.

[Micah laughs]


Episode 250 Milestone


Andrew: Well, yeah. I mean, so congrats, everybody, on 250 episodes. Especially you, Ben. I mean, you’ve been tirelessly working through all the episodes. You above anyone…

Ben: I know. For the record – for some of those new listeners, if you go way back in the day I used to be on this show quite a lot.

Andrew: Yeah, you did.

Ben: And I used to be a big contributor to the show.

Andrew: [laughs] So what happened?

Ben: What happened? I don’t know, man.

Eric: Well, Ben, you’re still a big contributor to the show.

Ben: I got a little bit Potter-ed out over the years, but I’m here. I still like to come on the show. I like to talk about Harry Potter. I love podcasting with you guys.

Andrew: Of course!

Ben: We’ve been doing this for years. 250 episodes.

Andrew: Mhm.

Ben: You think we’ll make it to 500, bro?

Andrew: Hmm, I don’t know, that’s hard to say. Unless we turn the podcast into something greater because J.K. Rowling has a new book.

Before we continue with today’s news, and there is a lot of it, we’d like to remind you that today’s podcast is brought to you by Audible.com. It’s the Internet’s leading provider of audiobooks, with more than 100,000 downloadable titles across all types of literature and featuring audio versions of many New York Times Bestsellers. For listeners of this podcast, Audible is offering you a free audiobook to give you a chance to try out their great service. One audiobook to consider, and we know this is going to appeal to a lot of you, The Fault in Our Stars by John Green. This book is fantastic. It’s a tear-jerker, you will laugh, you will cry, you will love it! Insightful, bold, irreverent, and raw, The Fault in Our Stars is award-winning author John Green’s most ambitious and heartbreaking work yet. Brilliantly exploring the funny, thrilling, and tragic business of being alive and in love. To get The Fault in Our Stars by John Green or any other book on Audible for free, visit AudiblePodcast.com/MuggleCast.


News: J.K. Rowling’s New Book


Eric: [gasps] What?

Andrew: And that leads us into the news this week.

Micah: Andrew, what’s in the news this week?

Ben: Oh.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Well, Micah, J.K. Rowling announced a new book. Evidently, if we are to believe the giant graphic that was on her agent’s website, we are to believe it’s called The New Book.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Which was very insulting to everybody who saw it.

Ben: Insulting?

Andrew: Well, insulting in that it’s – I don’t know, was it a joke? What did this…

Eric: Is it…

Andrew: Why have a graphic that says “The New Book”? [laughs]

Eric: The New Book by J.K. Rowling. They just wanted something to – already it’s got feet, marketing feet, and already it’s walking away, running around the world selling itself.

Andrew: Mhm.

Ben: As of right now, as The New Book. When I first heard this news, and when I heard the amount of information that was released, the first thing that popped into my head was, “Oh, here we go again! J.K. Rowling with her…”

Andrew: Secrecy.

Ben: Her little bit at a time. We’ll just give them a little bit of information at a time. We get them up at 4:00 AM to tell them that we’re going to release something in nine months.

Andrew: Right.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: With Pottermore.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Ben: So I mean, this is – but she has the right to do that.

Andrew: She can do it, yeah.

Ben: And she has the – she’s not some no-name nobody. I don’t think Stephenie Meyer could pull this off.

Andrew: Oh, whoa, whoa. I don’t know. She – I mean – well, let’s go through it. Let’s go through it.

Eric: Yeah, so what news is there?

Andrew: So it started very early in the morning. The Blair Partnership, which is her new – the new company she’s represented by. It used to be Christopher Little. She left Christopher Little. A little drama there, I think, but we don’t know the details anyway, [in a bad British accent] the Blair Partnership. [normal voice] And they updated their website which read, [in a bad British accent] “We are pleased to announce that our client, J.K. Rowling, will be releasing a new novel for adults. Further details will be announced later in the year. The Blair Partnership is a literary agency. We are in the business of taking care of authors, their talent, their careers, and their success.”

Ben: What accent is that?

Andrew: It’s a mix of nonsense.

Ben: It was like Scandinavian…

Andrew: Scottish…

Ben: …half Borat…

Andrew: …Australian…

Micah: [laughs] Half Borat?

Andrew: It’s bad. [laughs] So yeah, the Blair Partnership announced this. Like I said, there was the graphic that said “The New Book.”

Micah: Is that like the New Testament?

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: Yeah! That’s a good one, Micah. I like that.

Andrew: So Harry Potter is now the Old Testament, huh? Great.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: More religious comparisons.

Ben: And this book isn’t going to be published by Scholastic.

Andrew: Right.

Ben: Or Bloomsbury.

Andrew: Right. The new partner – the new publisher is Little, Brown who published the Twilight books. So…

Eric: What?!

Ben: Interesting.

Eric: That’s the last thing we need, is a Twilight-esque cover for the new J.K. Rowling book.

Ben: Oh yeah, these Twilight publishers are just going to screw it all up.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: No, I mean, just high contrast, one object. Those publishers make those kinds of decisions and – I don’t know.

Andrew: And J.K. Rowling’s official statement was, “Although I’ve enjoyed writing it every bit as much, my next book will be very different to the Harry Potter series, which has been published so brilliantly by Bloomsbury and my other publishers around the world. The freedom to explore new territory is a gift that Harry‘s success has brought me, and with that new territory it seemed a logical progression to have a new publisher. I am delighted to have a second publishing home in Little, Brown, and a publishing team that will be a great partner in this new phase of my writing life.”

Ben: Yeah, she’s like, “Scholastic, I’ve made you rich enough.”

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Ben: “I’m going to make somebody else rich.” In general, the expectations for this – people – I mean, obviously, commercially, whatever this book is, the fact that it has her name on it is going to – it’s going to sell a bazillion copies and people are going to line up at the bookstores, people are going to be stoked for it. Now – but in terms of what to expect, isn’t that kind of like the equivalent of if Zuckerberg – Mark Zuckerberg, the creator of Facebook – was to make a new tech project in the future, asking if we were to expect that to have as big of an impact as Facebook? Isn’t that like kind of the same thing with J.K. Rowling’s new book?

Andrew: Mhm.

Ben: To me, it almost seems like we’re going to be disappointed.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: There’s no way we’re not going to be disappointed given just what we’ve come to expect from J.K. Rowling.

Micah: I don’t…

Eric: I’m surprised – so it’s been five years since the publication of the seventh Harry Potter book. I’m surprised that the announcement that came wasn’t, “Oh yeah, by the way, I wrote this book. It’s been published for over a year, and it’s this book that she wrote under a pen name or something.”

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: Because J.K. Rowling does seem to have that problem where if she were to write a new book, she couldn’t be secret about it and it may get this – not unjust attention, but it may get attention based on other merits.

Micah: Right.

Eric: I think we’re all very interested in seeing what…

Micah: But…

Eric: …the next book she writes just because it’s her.

Micah: See, the problem that I have with that is – and I guess I understand why authors do it, but she’s already established herself. She took the chance, she wrote Harry Potter, became this tremendous success. Why would you want to write under any other name moving forward?

Eric: Right. Well, really it’s just for the crowd control aspect of it, I think.

Andrew: Yeah, to avoid that pressure of the Harry Potter

Eric: Yeah. Not only the pressure but people – I mean, I don’t know. Why did Stephen King do it? He wrote as Richard Bachman for a couple of – and I don’t think the reasons are that great because ultimately, you’ve got to stand by who you are, I think, public image or not public image. And so J.K. Rowling isn’t writing under an alias, her announcement was that there’s a new book from her coming out, so that’s good.

Andrew: And I think she could do that in the future, write under a pen name, but not for her first post Potter project.

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: I think that’s too soon.

Ben: Well – and particularly from a commercial standpoint…

Andrew: Yeah, they…

Ben: They’re just saying this is going to be – particularly if this book isn’t that great or something. This is going to be the most successful post Potter work that she does.

Andrew: Yeah. And you know Little, Brown – whatever publisher was going to win the rights to this, they wanted to say, “This is J.K. Rowling’s first post Potter project,” because it’s going to sell like crazy. But I admit that it’s going to be hard for me to pick up this book and read it and be like – I want to read more fantasy from J.K. Rowling, so I would be disappointed if I’m reading it and there isn’t any sort of magic or fantasy.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Anything in fantasy. I just want something related to fantasy.

Eric: So this is my main question, and I think it could – I mean, a lot of topics about this could be a main discussion for a show. But my question is what does it mean – there’s two little words in this press release from Little, Brown, and it says, “Our client, J.K. Rowling, will be releasing a new novel for adults.” What does that mean, “for adults”? What is…

Andrew: It means…

Micah: It means there’s more adult-appropriate material.

Eric: Oh okay, more adult – does this mean sex? Does this mean drug use? Does this mean lesser themes? Does it mean it won’t be a fantasy? Does it mean – what does that – what can we make of releasing a new novel for adults?

Andrew: I think…

Ben: For adults, I would say – books like Twilight, Harry Potter, The Hunger Games

Eric: But Twilight is young adult.

Ben: Those are young adult.

Eric: We have to be specific, young adults.

Ben: No, that’s what I’m saying, is that – whereas those books are for young adults, whereas – what’s the name of that guy who did Game of Thrones? H.R.R.Z.Y…

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: J.R.R…

Eric: Yeah…

Andrew: George R.R. Martin.

Eric: …that’s the one.

Ben: Yeah.

Eric: That’s the one. [laughs]

Ben: Okay yeah, George R.R. Martin. Yeah. Game of Thrones, those books are for adults and I would say – I would expect to see a higher level of writing from J.K. Rowling…

Andrew: Mhm.

Ben: …if she’s saying this book is for adults. Would you guys agree?

Andrew: I would agree.

Eric: Well, higher level of writing or just more adult characters?

Ben: I would say a higher level of writing. Well, I mean, a more sophisticated writing style.

Eric: Because I mean, she improved her writing technique through every Harry Potter book. There’s no…

Ben: Yeah, but they’re still written for young adults.

Eric: I mean, essentially the narrator will be different.

Ben: If you were to go read a George R.R. Martin book, it’s going to be more complex and not as easily readable to a young adult as it would be to an adult.

Eric: But I think part of J.K. Rowling’s appeal was how readable her writing was for everybody to begin with, which is – why, do you think this writing – the books – are you saying the books will be written in a more – a less accessible way? Where it’s just kind of confusing or drolls on?

Ben: Not confusing.

Eric: Less interesting?

Ben: Or that it drolls on. Or that it would be less interesting. I would just say that it’s going to not be as light.

Andrew: In short, I think it’s not going to be as marketable to children. It’s not going to be topics or themes that you could sell to a kid and a kid’s going to be interested in.

Micah: Yeah. But the other thing to realize…

Ben: Yeah. Well, the good news is that her audience has grown up with the books.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah, that’s exactly what I was going to say, is that…

Ben: I knew that, Micah, so I stole it from you.

Micah: Yeah, you stole it. You just ripped it right out of my hands. No, I agree with what you’re saying. I think that the audience is older now, and they are more easily able to understand adult themes. And – not to say that kids can’t or young adults can’t, but I think – she probably has a lot more freedom, too, in writing this book, where maybe she was a bit more restricted with Potter in terms of the kind of things that she could put in there.

Andrew: Though you can also bring up the point that the Harry Potter books were very long, and by most standards, you do not write long books for children. And that’s one of the reasons why they’ve always never been considered children’s books, at least the last few.

Eric: By the people reading them, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. Now, there have been some clues suggesting what J.K. Rowling will be writing, and it seems it could be in the mystery/crime drama. The Guardian rounded up a few details about – why they think it could be thriller/crime. For one, the editor at Little, Brown that she is working with. He is David Shelley, “a man who counts Dennis Lehane, Val McDermid, Carl Hiaasen, and Mark Billingham amongst his authors and who comes from a background steeped in crime and thriller writing. And now he’s going to be editing J.K. Rowling’s book.” He’s also reportedly brought out the best in various thriller writers: Panic by Jeff Abbott, The Shakespeare Secret by J.L. Carrell, The Brutal Art by Jesse Kellerman. He’s taken over editing for major brand-name authors including Billingham, Nelson DeMille, and Duncan Falconer.

Micah: Oh, Nelson DeMille, interesting.

Andrew: What did he write?

Micah: He writes a lot of those types of books. I have a lot of them, actually.

Andrew: Okay.

Micah: Like thrillers.

Andrew: And Ian Rankin, a known neighbor of J.K. Rowling, jokingly tweeted that, “Wouldn’t it be funny if J.K. Rowling’s first novel for adults turned out to be a crime story set in Edinburgh? My word, yes.”

Micah: Law & Order [unintelligible]

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: He’s a crime writer. So those were some hints, but again, none of this is confirmation. I would say that’s a good guess, though.

Ben: And she said there’s more information to come later this year, right?

Andrew: Yes, and…

Eric: Well, hang on, did she tweet this? [laughs]

Andrew: No, the Blair Partnership said more information to come later this year, and then J.K. Rowling later in the day tweeted herself that the book will be out later this year.

Ben: Oh really?

Andrew: And that was the first confirmation that it was actually going to come out this year.

Ben: Oh damn.

Andrew: So later this year.

Eric: Damn indeed, Ben.

Ben: That’s really exciting.

Andrew: Yeah, it is.

Ben: That’s really exciting because that’ll be the first fiction novel I’ve read since…

Andrew: Harry Potter?

Ben:Harry Potter.

Andrew: [laughs] You mean you haven’t read The Hunger Games yet?

Ben: I haven’t read The Hunger Games. I know I’m going to get…

Eric: Ben, neither have I.

Ben: …massacred but…

Eric: Ben, we should read it together.

Ben: Yeah, I’m open to reading The Hunger Games. Yeah, I don’t think they’re going to make this a series.

Andrew: Really? Now, see, that disappoints me. I would love another J.K. Rowling series.

Ben: Well – I mean, I think if she’s going to make it a series, she’s going to come up front and say this will be a trilogy.

Eric: Yeah.

Ben: I don’t think she would do more than a trilogy, because she’s not going to want to mess around with – another seven books? Yeah right.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Yeah. [laughs]

Ben: The pressure of producing another novel – maybe she just wants to write a standalone story and do it all in one go this time.

Eric: I’d love to see her do it.

Andrew: I’m sure she’ll do that at some point, but not right now.

Eric: Yeah, a standalone story. I’d like to see that from her.

Andrew: Joining us now is Laura. Hello, Laura. Thanks for joining us.

Laura: Hi, guys! How are you?

Andrew: Good. You got out of class late, I understand?

Laura: Yeah, I’m a really mean teacher. Kept my students late.

Andrew: Can you believe this? Laura Thompson, now a teacher.

[Laura laughs]

Ben: Hola. Hola, Laura.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: You kept them until 9:00 at night?

Ben: Hola, Laura. Como estas?

Laura: It’s an hour behind you, actually.

Micah: 8:00 at night?

Laura: So – yeah. Well, the class goes until 7:45, and it wasn’t really my fault, they were asking questions, so they were kind of the ones who held me up.

Micah: Do you teach college?

Laura: I teach elementary and college…

Micah: Wow.

Laura: …actually, so yeah.

Ben: It’s all grouped together down there.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: In Costa Rica. Laura is in Costa Rica…

Micah: Can we stay in your bungalow?

Laura: I don’t live in a bungalow, Micah. I live in a mud hut. I would expect you to know this by now.

Andrew: [laughs] Anyway – but seriously, Laura. So you’re in Costa Rica now. What motivated you to move down there and teach? I mean, that’s a wonderful thing.

Laura: Well, you remember, Andrew. I came down here to study abroad two years ago, and…

Andrew: Mhm.

Laura: …that’s why…

Micah: Time flies.

Laura: It’s kind of why I stopped being on MuggleCast, [laughs] partly, because at the time I had no Internet. And I just loved it here so much that I wanted to come back and, really, if you’re a native English speaker, [laughs] the only kind of job you can get here is teaching. So, that’s how it happened.

Andrew: Nice, nice.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: So, what do you think of J.K. Rowling’s new book announcement? Does this excite you?

Eric: Have you heard about it?

Laura: [laughs] No. I mean, we don’t get news down here.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: I mean, the fact that I have Internet is just absolutely amazing.

Micah: Well, you just said you…

Eric: [laughs] News comes by sparrow, right?

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Sparrows delivering the news?

Laura: No, no, by toucan.

Andrew: Caw! Caw! Rowling!

Laura: We don’t have sparrows down here.

Andrew: [laughs] Toucan.

[Laura laughs]

Micah: Well, you just said you brought Internet to Costa Rica.

Andrew: So what do you and the toucan think of J.K. Rowling’s new book?

Laura: We’re pretty freakin’ excited. We don’t know that much about it unless you guys have gotten some news that we haven’t gotten down here, but there was…

Ben: It’s coming out later this year, Laura. Did you know that?

Laura: Yes.

Andrew: Duh, Ben.

[Laura laughs]

Ben: Well, I didn’t know – she said she didn’t have much news about it…

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: No, but…

Ben: …so I was making sure she had the details.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Laura: There really isn’t, though, is there?

Andrew: No, there’s not.

Laura: It’s just it’s coming out this year, and it’s an adult novel now.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Yeah, yet we find a way to spend a half hour talking about it. How awesome are we?

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Because again, there’s…

Eric: Micah thinks it’s going to be a contender for the New Testament, actually.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: Really?

Eric: [laughs] Is what he said earlier.

Andrew: [laughs] Because it’s called “The New Book,” off of the Blair Partnership’s website.

Laura: Well, I have a question: I mean, has there been any discussion about what kind of genre we’re talking about? Or have you guys already spent eight million years?

Andrew: It’s rumored – yeah, a little bit. It’s rumored to be a crime/thriller, based on evidence that her editor at Little, Brown has a ton of experience in the crime and thriller genre. So, rumor has it that that fact alone is playing a big hint as to what the genre will be.

Ben: What if it flops?

Andrew: That’s completely possible.

Laura: You think?

Andrew: That’s completely possible!

Eric: Is it?

Andrew: Yes!

Eric: Is it really?

Andrew: Yes!

Laura: How?

Ben: I mean, I think it can flop from the standpoint of The New York Times, The LA Times, the major newspapers and publications…

Eric: I completely disagree.

Ben: …doing negative reviews about it…

Eric: I don’t…

Ben: …and saying that J.K. Rowling’s new work is a miss. But I don’t – it’s definitely not going to flop from a commercial standpoint and in terms of the way the fans view it. I think the fans are going to love it. I think she could scribble on a piece of paper and call it her new novel, and…

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Ben: …most fans would love it…

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: …because there’s such a…

Andrew: It’s new.

Ben: …great affinity for J.K. Rowling.

Laura: Oh definitely. She could put out a book about fifteenth century basket-weaving…

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Laura: …and everybody would just be head over heels.

Eric: I would be all over that [censored]. I’d have BasketCast…

Laura: [laughs] BasketCast.

Eric: …I’d be hosting that podcast, talking about it. I’m telling you – but I’m thinking…

Ben: Eric is a basket case.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Yeah. No, no, no…

Ben: That would be perfect. You should host that show.

Eric: No, I would love – because I would feel educated because J.K. Rowling has that authority over me. I look to her to learn new things. But I’m saying the way they’re going to – they’re already – and we talked about this earlier, Laura – is they’re already marketing this book, such as with that image that accompanied the news article which is “The New Book by J.K. Rowling.” It’s already this huge shroud of mystery and marketing, and no doubt – we were even talking about this – the new publishing company is going to market this book as the next book by J.K. Rowling. Following post Potter, after a seven-year series, this is the next book by Harry Potter. So I really don’t think they’re going to let it fail in any way. Like financially? Never.

Andrew: No.

Eric: But I think what it will come down to is whether or not fans or people who have read Harry Potter – you know, us, read us, the ones who are now adults – whether or not we like the story.

Andrew: So, I mean, there’s so much to look forward to over the next few months. [laughs] We have the title, we have summaries, we have covers…

Micah: Okay, can I throw this out there? What do you think will happen first? Pottermore open to the public…

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: …or the book being released?

Andrew: I think they’re just going to shut down Pottermore and get to work on the next interactive website for this new book. [laughs]

Laura: Oh God.

Andrew: Newbookmore.

[Laura laughs]

Micah: I mean, how bad – just as an aside, how bad must these people feel that have been waiting now since – October? Was that when it was supposed to be?

Eric: Well…

Andrew: Yeah, and I mean J.K. Rowling’s probably whole grand plan was to get Pottermore out of the way [laughs] and move on to the new book.

Eric: And then move forward. And she couldn’t do that, yeah. Well, we’ll hear from some disgruntled Pottermore-ites later in the show.

Andrew: But – yeah, and I’m looking forward to midnight release parties…

Eric: Oh yeah.

Andrew: …I’m looking forward to…

Laura: Oh heck, yeah.

Andrew: I mean, we could easily turn – if this book is a three-part series, we could easily turn MuggleCast into a joint Harry Potter and new book podcast.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Or obviously, if it’s just one book we’re going to have a whole episode dedicated to reviewing it.

Eric: For sure.

Andrew: Yeah, so…

Micah: We could go chapter-by-chapter.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. And also, I would like…

Ben: We should go…

Ben and Micah: Word-by-word.

Micah: Yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: On the new book.

Andrew: [laughs] I’d also like to announce NewBookCon 2015.

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: This is going to be a conference dedicated – forget Harry Potter, that was so 2012. NewBookCon ’15 will feature lots of literary discussions, podcasts, and orgies, all focused on…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: …the new book from J.K. Rowling.

Eric: Orgies? Is that…

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Is that going to be at the…

Eric: Are you using the right word?

Andrew: Oh yes.

Laura: [laughs] Is that going to be at the “New Book” theme park in Orlando?

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: But speaking of that kind of thing, there’s definitely going to be a TV show or movie based around it. No doubt!

Eric: Yeah, if it’s…

Andrew: A studio is already clamoring to get the rights for the movie.

Ben: Yeah.

Eric: I was going to say, if it’s a crime drama, or if it’s something like that, that would definitely be adapted into a hundred other formats.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I would say David Heyman probably has first dibs, though, if…

Andrew: Yeah, I would think so.

Eric: Well – although, J.K. Rowling is not going with Bloomsbury or Scholastic, and those are people – relationships she’s built.

Andrew: That’s true.

Micah: She’s already made them enough money.

Andrew: Well, can’t the same be said [laughs] about David Heyman and Warner Bros.?

Micah: [laughs] Well, that’s true.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: Sources have confirmed that David Heyman and J.K. Rowling were being a little flirtatious…

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: …at an after party…

Andrew: Really?

Ben: …last week.

Andrew: Last week?

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: Hmm. So David Heyman’s a player to get those scripts, huh?

Ben: Yeah.

Eric: Those – yeah, the movie rights, sure. That sounds like the David Heyman we all know.

Andrew: Well, this news pushed J.K. Rowling over a million followers on Twitter…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: …one of which is not Micah Tannenbaum. As we remember on MuggleCast Episode 249, Micah was so upset at J.K. Rowling…

Ben: He un-followed her?

Andrew: Un-followed her, can you believe that?

Micah: [laughs] I un-followed her, yeah.

Ben: Why are you un-following Jo?

Micah: See, but I un-follow her and then a week…

Laura: Why would you bother, though? I only un-follow people who spam my Twitter feed.

Andrew: [laughs] Right!

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Micah did it for the opposite reason.

Eric: J.K. Rowling did the opposite.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: Laura, Laura, to you, J.K. Rowling is like – to you, Laura, J.K. Rowling is like the agreeable neighbor, right? [laughs] Or the agreeable tenant. Never hear a peep from them, always turns in the rent on time.

Laura: [laughs] Yeah.

Ben: Was that a part of that segment Micah used to do called “What’s Bugging Micah?” Does he still do that?

Andrew: It was – it wasn’t explicitly a “What’s Bugging Micah?” but on the last episode or two episodes ago, he voiced his concern and he un-followed her. Because I mean, he’s right. She doesn’t tweet anything interesting, so why bother following her?

Ben: That’s true.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: And then look what happened. A week later…

Eric: She did this to spite you.

Ben: That’s true.

Micah: …she announces that she’s got a new book.

Andrew: Yeah. Some people in the Hypable comments speculated that she did it just for you. So…

Micah: Yeah, well…

Andrew: You should feel very lucky.

Micah: And no, I’m not going to start following her again, because [laughs] as I said on the last episode, when she makes these types of announcements they tend to…

Andrew: Appear elsewhere.

Micah: …get picked up by media outlets and even reach faraway places that Laura lives, where toucans have to deliver the mail.

[Laura laughs]

MuggleCast 250 Transcript (continued)


News: Bloomsbury to Publish Illustrated Editions of Harry Potter Books


Andrew: “Caw! Caw! New book!” Also on the same day, moving on from the new book, Bloomsbury announced via an interview with the Associated Press that they are going to re-release the Harry Potter books in illustrated formats.

Eric: Illustrated by whom?

Micah: What?

Laura: What the heck does that mean?

Andrew: It means – well, a picture book, I think.

Eric: A Harry Potter picture book?

Andrew: And it was kind of confusing at first. It wasn’t exactly clear, the way the article was written, whether it was Scholastic or Bloomsbury. But it is Bloomsbury re-releasing in illustrated format. So I’m just picturing like – and I hate to make a comparison, but the Twilight books…

Laura: Exactly. Ugh.

Andrew: At least the first one, has the graphic novels.

Eric: Graphic novel adaptations, yeah.

Andrew: It’s a two-part graphic novel. And you know what?

Micah: Is it graphic?

Andrew: They look really – no.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: They’re visual. And you know what? They look really good.

Micah: That’s what I mean, are they graphic pictures?

Andrew: It’s a certain – no!

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: It’s not Breaking Dawn!

Ben: You know. [laughs]

Andrew: It’s a certain type of art style. I’m sorry to say I don’t know what it is. But I read through one and it’s really nice. I mean, it’s a cool way to…

Ben: You mean looked through it?

Andrew: Yeah, I did. Yes – right, I looked through it. It’s like reading an audiobook. You don’t read an audiobook.

Ben: Yeah. It pisses me off when people say that.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: That they read graphic novels? Yeah, that’s annoying.

Andrew: Or audiobooks. [laughs]

Ben: Yeah. People are like, “Yeah, I read this book,” and it’s like, “No, you didn’t. You told me you listened to it on your drive.”

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Ben: “That’s not reading the book.”

Andrew: That’s a discussion for another day, but I think you basically comprehend the information the same way.

Ben: A similar way.

Andrew: Yeah. It is different, though. You’re right. So what do you guys think? I mean, I don’t want to spend too much time on this, but illustrated format. What – this is very clearly for kids, but…

Eric: Yeah, it says a picture – you know the adage, “A picture is worth a thousand words”? The Harry Potter books actually have thousands of words in them, so I just wonder how they’re going to be constantly playing to condense the Harry Potter books into something that’s a little bit smaller. Will the illustrated books be smaller than the actual Harry Potter books?

Andrew: You would think so.

Eric: Or will they be larger?

Andrew: I would think…

Laura: Yeah, I would imagine so.

Eric: That’s the – right? Otherwise it’s just an insane task. But will plot threads be cut in the same way that they do in the movies?

Laura: I kind of wonder how Jo must feel about this, because she was so adamant about being really careful with the art on Pottermore so as not to destroy people’s images of what things looked like when they were reading the books.

Andrew: Oh.

Laura: Like you couldn’t see…

Ben: Oh, like the movie hadn’t already done that.

Laura: Well, true, but…

Andrew: But Pottermore is to serve as a companion to the books as you read, so interesting point, Laura.

Laura: I just kind of wonder if she must really be on board with this. I mean, in the end, it’s just more money in her pocket, so I’m sure…

Eric: Maybe it’s actually…

Laura: …she’s not crying about that. But…

Eric: Maybe it’s all the images that were going to go on Pottermore are now being put into a book and they’re moving on…

Laura: Except it’s going to be like Japanese anime style. [laughs] That’s the other thing. If they make it into a graphic novel.

Andrew: It’s kind of what it has to be.

Laura: [laughs] Yeah.

Andrew: Well, I am looking forward to looking at it. I mean, maybe J.K. Rowling will have some new information in these visuals, you would think. Because if you’re looking at all these visual scenes, wouldn’t new information be revealed?

Eric: Like…

Micah: No.

Andrew: You know how – Potter fans always like to tear stuff apart, so they’re going to be like, “Oh look, the crown molding is painted gold in the Gryffindor Common Room.”

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Andrew: “I never knew this before! Somebody, quick! Add it to the Lexicon!”

Eric: Yeah. Well, I’m just thinking like in the scene where Professor Trelawney has her first prediction, maybe painted in the background listening in at the door will be Snape. It’ll be a little spoiler for people who are like thirty pages behind. But…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: I don’t know.

Andrew: So details are [pronounces “scar-ce”] scarce. It’s supposed to be released from…

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Did you just say “scar-ce”? [laughs]

Andrew: Scarce, sorry. Hey, guess what, guys? 250 episodes, nothing’s changed, I’m still pronouncing words wrong.

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Eric: That’s comforting, actually. You’re my anchor, Andrew.

Laura: Awww.

Andrew: Yeah. I am your constant.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I am your constant in your science experiment of life.

Eric: Dude, that’s amazing.

Laura: That’s also sad.

Andrew: So the official statement from Bloomsbury is: “We are pleased to announce that as part of our long-term strategy for Harry Potter, we intend to publish illustrated editions of all seven Harry Potter books in a rolling program from 2013 onwards.”

Ben: Their long-term strategy.

[Laura laughs]

[Someone makes raspberry sound]

Ben: Milk it for all its worth!

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Can any – yeah, long-term.

Andrew: And so 2013 is still a long way off for the first one. I would suspect new books will be coming out every six to twelve months.

Micah: Well, now we’re in the zone where they’re going to start doing anniversary editions and special ultimate – kind of like what they did with the films – and they’re just going to try and keep doing this for as long as they possibly can, tweaking – even if it’s one little thing…

Andrew: Yup.

Micah: …so that people are going to keep buying.

Andrew: You’ll remember that Scholastic tried to start releasing anniversary editions, tenth anniversary editions of each of the books.

Eric: Yeah, they did one.

Andrew: They did one, and then they didn’t do any others. And it kind of flopped. They admitted, “Yeah, we’re not going to do it anymore.” [laughs] So they only did one.

Eric: Well, isn’t that what they did with the Ultimate Edition DVDs? [laughs]

Andrew: Well, yeah. I mean, they have all but two left. I think they’re still going to come out.

Eric: Okay.

Andrew: They have to. That’d be cruel if they didn’t.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: The one other thing I was going to ask – I don’t think we’ve talked about this, but with this new book that’s coming out from J.K. Rowling, one of the things that she talked about in the past was that most of her work moving forward was going to be for charity. Was there any notes about that in what was released?

Eric: Oh.

Andrew: I can’t see this being for charity.

Eric: A crime book for charity?

Andrew: I could see more Harry Potter work being for charity…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: …but not this.

Eric: If it turns out that her new crime drama isn’t for charity, I wouldn’t hold her to that word where she said that, because I took it to mean the same thing, that future Harry Potter work would be for charity.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: And she’s proven that already. She’s done that multiple times with various Harry Potter things. I think Beedle the Bard was one of them most recently.

Laura: Mhm.


News: Deathly Hallows – Part 2 Did Not Win At 2012 Academy Awards


Micah: Oh geez, here we go.

Andrew: So moving on to some movie news now, this was – it was a very shocking weekend. I’m still shaking from the news.

Eric: Oh.

Andrew:: Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 did not win at the Oscars, which means that over the entire franchise, it did not win one Academy Award, Hollywood’s most prestigious award.

Ben: Ooh.

Andrew: It was nominated in Art Direction which went to Hugo, Makeup which went to The Iron Lady, and Visual Effects which went to Hugo.

Micah: You live there, Andrew. Go put a flaming bag of dog you-know-what on their…

Ben: On the Academy’s doorsteps.

Micah: Yeah.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I’ll show you!

Ben: We’ll do it together!

Eric: And why don’t we record that we’re going to do that, and we release it publicly? Yeah.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Micah: That’s even better!

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Videotape it and put it on YouTube.

Ben: We’ll burn down their houses!

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: I’d rather not get arrested. I don’t know, that doesn’t seem worth it just for some YouTube viral video.

Micah: You won’t get arrested.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay. Then I’ll go do it right now!

Micah: Go! While we’re here. We’ve got time.

Andrew: So we don’t need to rehash all this Oscar talk, but we did do a lot of talking last week, or last episode, about could it win an Oscar, and our opinions were mixed. A lot of people said no. A lot of fans said no, it didn’t have a chance. And they were right.

Micah: Well, Mikey said it on the last episode, too.

Andrew: Yup.

Micah: That he really didn’t think that they had a chance, and – I still would like to see them do something. I guess it would have to be next year at this point, where they just honor the series, because I think to not honor a series that’s been the highest grossing ever, that doesn’t make any sense.

Eric: It’s rude.

Ben: Well, I guess that’s part of the reason – I mean, for some people who are film snobs, they probably don’t see too much of a difference between Harry Potter and Twilight in a lot of ways.

Laura: Mhm.

Ben: I mean, they probably see Harry Potter and Twilight as being a lot closer together than Harry Potter fans would probably be comfortable with admitting.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: I wonder…

Ben: In terms of just being a commercial type of dealio, films made to make money as opposed to being actual…

Andrew: Truly artistic masterpieces.

Ben: Well – and these are books, you know? These were written as books, so they are adaptations. And going from a book to the screen, you’re not going to – if these were made for the silver screen initially, it could be a different story, I think.

Laura: Were you guys genuinely surprised that it didn’t win anything?

Ben: No.

Andrew: Mm-mm.

Laura: Okay.

Eric: I was.

Andrew: I had my finger – I pre-wrote tweets saying, “It did not win this award,” “It did not win this award.”

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Andrew: I had my button – my finger on the trigger [laughs] as soon it was announced, because it was kind of predictable. Go ahead, Eric.

Eric: Yeah, I mean, I was just – I guess overall, I’m surprised that it didn’t win. I thought it had a chance in those specific categories. I guess I’m just most surprised that it wasn’t nominated for Best Picture, even if it didn’t have a chance of winning it. I’m surprised that they went with sort of the nine results instead of the ten.

Micah: But the thing is, as I go back to if it would have won an award or two awards this time around, does that really kind of make you feel any better?

Laura: No.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Knowing that it hadn’t won anything prior to it. It doesn’t really justify anything. If anything, people would say, “Well, they won the award because they haven’t been recognized for the past seven films.”

Andrew: That’s true.

Laura: Yeah, can you imagine the one award they get being Makeup? [laughs]

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, that would have been so lame. And here’s another little factoid: the average Academy voter – these are the people who nominate and vote – the average one is a 62-year-old white male. And people cry foul over this, because it’s basically a bunch of older white men voting for the best pictures of the year.

Laura: Oh my God!

Andrew: And then we get the same predictable results every single year.

Laura: It’s like the government!

Ben: Well, you do realize…

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: Exactly, right.

Micah: Except for the president.

Ben: You do realize the Academy is pretty much the people who are the big names in the industry, people who have been around in the industry for a long time.

Andrew: Yeah, they know their stuff, but…

Ben: Right.

Andrew: Who are these people to decide? Because it was very predictable that The Artist was going to win because it won all these other awards leading up to the Academy Awards. And it’s artsy.

Eric: That’s a good movie. Have you seen The Artist? It’s really good.

Ben: Well I mean, the thing about it is these are art awards and it’s kind of like – I think I gave this comparison to you once on – we were talking about this on Instant Messenger or something. Somebody who is a wine expert, a sommelier or whatever, when they drink wine they analyze it. Their brain analyzes it a different way than the average commercial wine-drinker. They’re looking for something that tastes good.

Micah: The boxed wine-drinker.

Ben: Yeah. So Harry Potter is like boxed wine, it’s like Arbor Mist. It tastes good to everybody, it’s a good story, it’s a good, solid film, but to the person who is looking for – is judging the films off a completely different set of criteria than you or I, that what makes good film per se – there’s a lot more that these guys know than…

Andrew: Okay.

Laura: Well…

Ben: …any of us could ever really use to judge the film.

Laura: I have to be honest – and this is not going to be a popular opinion. I think part of the problem is that they were not gearing the making of these films towards winning any kind of award like this until the very end. You know what I mean? They didn’t start doing the Oscar push until the last movie. And I feel like there are a lot of points – there are a lot of weak points in these movies – particularly “1”, “2”, and parts of “4” – that were not that good. And I think a lot of times when people think of Harry Potter, they’re not just thinking of the one movie that most recently came out, they’re thinking about it as a collective whole. And so they’re thinking, “Well, Deathly Hallows – Part 2 was really good, but man, the second movie sucked.” So I think that’s part of that problem, too.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah. But these Oscar voters, you would think they’re only thinking about one film though.

Eric: Right.

Andrew: If they are this experienced, they should be only taking one into consideration. But let me give you another…

Ben: Hugo should have won. I mean, did you see the special effects in Hugo?

Andrew: Yeah, but how…

Eric: I found Hugo to be ordinary, not exceptional. I thought visually, very pleasing, good acting, and great effects. But as a movie, the plot didn’t really excite me.

Andrew: I rented it, I have it coming in on Netflix. I’m really excited to watch it, because it did get so many good reviews. But here’s another factoid: out of the top five franchises ever, which are Star Wars, James Bond, Harry Potter, Shrek, and Batman, only Harry Potter has not won an Oscar. George Lucas’s Star Wars movies won eight Oscars. The James Bond adventures have picked up two. The Batman iterations to date own three wins, including a Best Supporting Actor trophy for Heath Ledger. And the Shrek franchise received an Animated Feature award.

Eric: Hmm. But there have been twenty-two Bond films, and for them to have only won two Oscars…

Andrew: [laughs] Well, yeah, and those films aren’t Oscar-worthy. Come on.

Eric: You’re saying they’re pulp.

Andrew: Yeah, and I’m saying – but again, Harry Potter, I wasn’t necessarily looking for a Best Picture win for Harry Potter. I was looking for Best Makeup. I mean, the amount of work that does go into these films is incredible.

Laura: Oh yeah.

Eric: Yeah. And talking about the Oscars again, that intro video where they announce the nominees – or not announce the nominees, but where they went back over the nominees at the actual Oscars – the short video segment that they have prior to every video being announced.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: I thought Harry Potter actually – through those previews, Potter had the best one. I think it was Jason Isaacs talking about…

Andrew: He was really pumping it up.

Eric: Yeah, [laughs] really pumping it up! But I thought – that was the moment when I thought that Harry Potter had a chance at the Oscars, was when I saw that specific lead-in video right before they made the final announcement. And of course, Harry didn’t win. But with the Makeup, I thought Makeup was probably their best chance, simply because they had that line about goblins. And you’re up against making Glenn Close look like a boy, or…

Micah: Yeah, but that’s been done before. Haven’t they done that?

Eric: …Meryl Streep look like – well – or Meryl Streep…

Micah: She does look like a man. It’s not that hard.

Eric: Making her look like…

Laura: Margaret Thatcher?

Eric: …the Queen.

Micah: [unintelligible]

Eric: Yes. So…

Andrew and Micah: No.

Eric: No. I really still don’t understand necessarily why Harry Potter didn’t win.

Micah: But what about – I mean, I saw a really cool graphic that somebody posted on Facebook. Think about how much it takes to transform Ralph Fiennes into Voldemort.

Andrew: Yeah, this is all very…

Eric: They’ve got to take his nose! Every time you see him and he doesn’t have a nose, that’s makeup or CGI.

Andrew: Well, to wrap this up, there’s a YouTube channel called HowItShouldHaveEnded.com – well, it’s probably a website but they also have these videos on YouTube.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: And they did “Harry Potter and the Best Picture Summary,” and it’s Snape, Dumbledore, Harry, and Voldemort all discussing why they weren’t nominated for Best Picture. And it’s very funny, so we’ll just play it.

[Audio clip plays]

Harry: Professor! Did you hear the news?

Dumbledore: News, you say?

Harry: We aren’t nominated for Best Picture!

Dumbledore: What?! That’s outrageous! Who would do such a thing?

Voldemort: I’ll tell you who! Someone that looks just like me except covered in gold, that’s who.

[Prolonged silence]

Voldemort: What, I’m not allowed to be upset about this?

Dumbledore: Best Director?

Harry: Nope.

Dumbledore: Best Actor?

Harry: Nope.

Dumbledore: Actress?

Harry: Are you serious?

Dumbledore: Cinematography?

Harry: Nope.

Dumbledore: Editing?

Harry: No.

Dumbledore: Not even Music?

Harry: No.

Voldemort: [censored] you guys! We made eight movies.

Dumbledore: Was it because of the scene at the end when you kids were grown up? Because I told you, that scene should have only been on the extended Blu-ray version.

Snape: Hello, everyone.

Harry: Professor Snape! Did you hear about the nominations?

Snape: Yes, and I’m appalled. I kept this serious look on my face for over ten years, and George Clooney walked down the beach for two hours and suddenly everyone wets their pants.

[Andrew laughs]

Harry: We had a beach in our movie!

[Ben and Laura laugh]

Harry: I held an elf in my arms on the beach as he died!

Voldemort: I cried during that scene.

Harry: Thank you!

Snape: Exactly. We have everything those movies have.

Harry: Totally have everything!

Snape: Hugo: A boy in a train station. I wonder where we’ve seen that before. Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close: A boy who loses his father.

Harry: I lost both of my parents!

Snape: Moneyball: Sports. We have Quidditch.

Voldemort: Yes, but Quidditch is kind of stupid.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Snape: Midnight in Paris: Time travel.

Dumbledore: Duh. We did that years ago.

Snape: The Help: Racism.

Voldemort: We force elves to be our servants.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Snape: The Tree of Life. Did anyone even see that movie?

Harry: No.

Voldemort: I hated The Tree of Life.

Dumbledore: I’ve never even heard of that movie.

Snape: War Horse.

Harry: We have war.

Dumbledore: And flying horses.

Snape: The Artist.

Voldemort: Oh, I actually really liked that.

Harry: Oh, yes. He is right, actually.

[Laura laughs]

Dumbledore: Wonderful, wonderful.

Snape: I enjoyed it tremendously.

Voldemort: To be honest, it probably should win.

Harry: I totally agree.

[Ben and Laura laugh]

Harry: I’m sorry, so what is the deal?

Snape: Our movie actually made money, that’s what the deal is.

Harry: Well, so sorry we’re a massive success like the Lord of the Rings.

Dumbledore: Or Titanic.

Voldemort: Sorry everyone loves us.

[Andrew laughs]

Harry: Sorry we influenced an entire generation.

Snape: Sorry we made eight movies that people will watch more than once.

Voldemort: So sorry that our last film alone made more money at the box office than all of the nominees combined!

[Thunder in the background]

Dumbledore: I believe this is what Muggles call “horse poop.”

[Sound of a door opening]

Hermione: Everyone! We’ve been nominated for three awards! Isn’t that exciting? Art Direction, Makeup, and Visual Effects!

Dumbledore: Nobody cares!

Voldemort: Oh, come on!

Dumbledore: Big surprise there.

Harry: We could win that one with our eyes closed.

[Outro music plays]

[Audio clip ends]

Andrew: So there we go. That said it very nicely and it resonated very much with fans.

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, that was funny.

Micah: It’s pretty good, pretty well done.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] Comparing house-elves…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: …to racism in The Help.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: What?

Eric: Well, that was the goal, wasn’t it, really? I mean, talking about…

Micah: Yeah, there are definitely themes of racism in the books. We’ve talked about that on the show before.

Laura: I think they were kidding.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: “Mudblood.”

[Laura laughs]

Micah: Yeah, I thought they were kidding, too.


News: Deathly Hallows – Part 2 Nominated for Ten 2012 Saturn Awards


Ben: Well, as a consolation, Harry Potter picked up ten Saturn Awards!

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: I don’t know what the second part of that note is.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: In the doc.

Eric: I don’t know the second part of that note, either.

Andrew: Yeah, so it did win – it was nominated for ten Saturn Awards, but honestly, who cares about that?

Micah: [laughs] And…

Eric: Well, the Saturn Awards, interestingly…

Micah: Is that a special Saturn Award?

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Eric: That – we’re talking about the Google Doc, somebody graffiti’d it.

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: Now, the Saturn Awards – I didn’t even really know about these.

Andrew: [laughs] What is all this?!

Eric: I recall hearing about the name. But it’s in June, and they’ve been nominated for ten, same amount as Hugo, and so Potter does have a chance of winning those. But it’s specifically for sci-fi, fantasy, and horror. So…

Andrew: I’m over it! I can’t – I don’t care about Harry Potter and awards anymore.

Eric: That’s okay.

Andrew: They lost the Oscars. Who cares?

Eric: We’ll find out in June. [laughs] So…


News: Wizarding World Orlando Expansion Updates


Andrew: Okay. Well, in some impressive news, just a quick update on the Harry Potter theme park expansions. There’s been a lot going on. We know that they’re building a Wizarding World in Los Angeles. They’re building an expansion in Orlando.

Ben: Mhm.

Andrew: The expansion in Orlando is going to be taking place in the other park.

Ben: Hmm.

Andrew: Not in Islands of Adventure. So you’re going to need two tickets for the full experience, baby, and how are you going to…

Ben: Two tickets?!

Micah: Oh, come on, they’ve got to work something out there.

Ben: Oh my God.

Laura: Oh no, they’re not going to. [laughs]

Andrew: And how are you going to get to those two parks? How else, the Hogwarts Express. And there’s been a little new information about that. It is going to be cutting through the back of Universal. You’re going to be going through a tunnel, basically, on a train, and there’s going to be video screens all surrounding you and it’s going to be like you’re making that journey from Diagon Alley to the Wizarding World and vice-versa. So…

Micah: Well, nothing says English countryside like Orlando, Florida.

Laura: [laughs] Yeah.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, it should be interesting how they create that experience. But no other information has been revealed. Hopefully soon. I mean, they’re already working on it. They’ve already been knocking out Jaws which is where this new Harry Potter park is going to be built. It should be fantastic.

Ben: Awww, they’re getting rid of Jaws?


News: Pottermore to Distribute E-Books Through Libraries and Schools


Andrew: Yeah. It closed about a month or two ago. Yeah, sorry. It was a good ride, it was a classic. When Pottermore does open they are going to be distributing e-books through public and school libraries. This was an announcement made in association with Overdrive. So this is great. And now – this seems so odd to me and I wouldn’t like doing this at all, but in libraries these days you can bring your e-book in and rent a book, and then exit the library and then you’ll have it on your e-book reader.

Eric: That’s so New Age to me.

Andrew: It doesn’t seem right. Like, if I go to a library I want to pick up a physical book, that’s why I’m there.

Eric: Yeah, otherwise I’d just be on the iTunes Store at home.

Ben: Whatever, dude. You have a Kindle, an iPad…

Andrew: I lost my Kindle.

Ben: Did you really?

Andrew: Yeah. If anybody has found it, by the way…

Laura: How did you lose your Kindle?

Andrew: Because it’s so small and lightweight and amazing that it just floated away.

Ben: Wow.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Laura: So amazing that you forgot it somewhere.

Micah: I hope somebody who needs a Kindle found it and won’t return it to you.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Andrew: Hey…

Laura: How can you need a Kindle?

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: I don’t know, ask Andrew.

Laura: How can you need something like that?

Andrew: You want to save paper. You want to save the trees, baby. I’m green. You should be, too. You’re surrounded by them in Costa Rica.

Laura: We don’t have paper.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: This episode is offending somebody.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Micah: As always!

Andrew: But these e-books, we don’t know when they’re going to be announced – or when they’re going to be available. Apparently when the e-book store opens up on Pottermore, but when’s that going to be?

Micah: So Laura, what do you use if you don’t use paper? Do you guys just write messages in the sand to each other?

Andrew: Plastic.

Laura: No, I mean, we’ve got a lot of banana leaves, so we use those.


News: Pottermore Not Opening to Public in “Immediate Future”


Andrew: [laughs] In related Pottermore news, they reinforced that they do not have an opening date in the immediate future, and this came after a Guardian writer contacted Pottermore and found this out. So, not good.

Micah: It’s just gotten to that point now – I mean, I feel like I’m the spokesperson for this, but people were looking forward to it. That’s my only thing. And people who have been looking forward to it for a long time, you know?

Laura: Oh whatever.

Andrew: And being let down.

Laura: I’ll give my account to somebody. If you want my account, send me an e-mail.

Andrew: [laughs] Hey, that’s against the rules, Laura!

Laura: Yeah, okay.

Eric: I’d give my account to somebody if I could remember what the username was.

Laura: Yeah…

Andrew: You know, I was actually thinking…

Laura: God, the usernames for that thing are so bad. I’m sure you guys talked about this a lot…

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: …but they’re so bad.

Andrew: I’m CatSeeker.

Eric: Yeah, we missed you on that discussion.

Laura: Yeah, I think I’m something like Rook – something or another, I don’t know.

Andrew: ToucanRook?

Laura: [laughs] ToucanRook.

Micah: Toucan Sam.

Laura: I got the special Latin American name.

Andrew: [laughs] “Oh, we see you’re in Latin America. Here, we’re going to add ‘Toucan’ to your name.”

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: We’re all going to hell.

Andrew: I got some – so yeah, no updates on Pottermore, unfortunately, yet. But feel free to contact Laura if you want her Pottermore name. Just kidding, that’s against the rules. Nobody e-mail her.

Eric: That’s against the rules.

Laura: Please e-mail me.

MuggleCast 250 Transcript (continued)


News: Emma Watson to Star in Guillermo del Toro’s Beauty and the Beast


Andrew: The news that got Ben excited: Emma Watson is going to – is pretty much set to star in Guillermo del Toro’s Beauty and the Beast, a live-action version. Emma Watson would, of course, play Beauty. Belle. The princess.

Eric: What’s funny is I actually…

Ben: Ooh.

Laura: I think she’ll be perfect for that, actually.

Eric: You do?

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Why, because she’s so French, right?

Laura: Well – oh, you mean like Belle in the Disney version was?

Andrew: The Disney character? [laughs]

Eric: Yeah.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Eric: Oh. Oh, oh, I get it. It’s double…

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Oh okay. I got it, I got it. Okay. Well, I’m just saying – okay.

Micah: Add the French to the list.

Eric: I think if they’re going to do something, they should do it right. They should do something definitive. It’s an old French legend, they should cast a French audience for it. That’s just my thought. Although, just – not three hours ago, I watched the Beauty and the Beast episode of Once Upon a Time, which I thought was pretty cool, and that had Emilie de Ravin as Belle and she’s Australian. So, who knows.

Andrew: So many different Belles.

Laura: Well, and…

Eric: So many different Belles. Do they really need a live adaptation of…

Andrew: Well, fantasy is in. And princesses – and by the way, there are two Beauty and the Beast television shows in the works, one for CW and one for ABC. So Beauty and the Beast is in right now. Get on that, yo. In related news, for Guillermo del Toro’s film, the part of Mrs. Potts will be played by Julie Walters, which I thought was very fitting.

Laura: Oh, that’s perfect!

Eric: Didn’t she voice Mrs. Potts in the Disney version? [laughs] I feel like she did.

Andrew: That’s actually a complete joke.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: That’s not true at all!

Eric: Oh. Well…

Andrew: Just on Molly Weasley, Mrs. Potts, kind of similar. Guess that didn’t go over well.

Laura: No, that kind of went over like a lead balloon.


News: First Look at Harry Potter: Wizard’s Collection


Andrew: Okay. And finally, in the news this week, we talked about the – we mentioned the Ultimate Editions earlier in the program. But what’s better than ultimate? Definitive.

Eric: Ooh.

Andrew: And we talked about the Harry Potter: Definitive Collection. It was announced last year with the Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 DVD, saying it would come out in 2012. Apparently, it has a new name! The Wizard’s Collection, with a huge box, feature set, and price tag. This baby’s going to cost you $500 retail.

[Eric laughs]

Ben: Wow.

Micah: What?

Laura: Right.

Ben: Rip off!

Andrew: Amazon is offering a [laughs] 150-dollar discount.

Ben: Don’t they play the movies on ABC Family all the time?

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Every other weekend…

Andrew: Yes!

Eric: …is a Harry Potter Weekend.

Ben: Jesus.

Andrew: But this is the Definitive Collection, and in order for you to have the Definitive Collection, you’ve got to pay a lot of money.

Ben: I know, but how much do you think the Definitive Collection is going to be worth ten years from now?

Andrew: [laughs] I know.

Micah: Just as much as you have in all eight DVDs.

Andrew: Well, it comes with the theatrical versions and extended cuts of the first two movies. It also comes with…

Laura: I’m not going to watch those anyway.

Micah: Blah, blah.

Andrew: …five hours of never-before-seen special features…

Eric: See…

Andrew: …in limited and numbered editions. I have no idea what…

Eric: I would pay about 100 dollars, maybe 200 dollars, for just the special features discs, and then leave, because I already have the movies. I don’t need those, you know what I’m saying?

Andrew: Right, so you’re basically paying – so all Harry Potter fans are basically just paying for this nice box, and the over five hours of never-before-seen special features.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: And who even knows what they are.

Laura: Do we really believe that they’re never-before-seen? I don’t buy that.

Andrew: Yeah, that is a stretch.

Laura: I don’t buy that.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: The only thing – well, David Yates specifically said that there was an outtakes reel that was going to be part of this, so…

Ben: Ooh.

Eric: …there is that.

Laura: Yeah, and like everything else on these DVDs, it’s probably going to be thirty seconds long.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Or uploaded immediately to YouTube…

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: …thereafter.

Andrew: Right, right.

Eric: Which is what I’m hoping for, because $500, a little steep.

Micah: So, if you want a positive review, don’t listen to this show.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Eric: One thing I want…

Andrew: If you want a positive review of anything, don’t listen to this show. [laughs]

Eric: Don’t listen to this show. One thing I want if – and I guess I shouldn’t continue saying something that’s not positive, but one thing I want if I’m going to get this 500-dollar set is a little bit more of an analysis of the trunk that it comes in, because in the video it looks great. It opens up and it’s sideways and it’s upside-down and there’s drawers that come out. But there was a box set – was it of the books? It was of the seven hardback books – hardcover books – and Amazon was selling it and it was a big deal, and it comes in a treasure chest or Harry’s trunk. And unfortunately it was made out of a very cheap cardboard…

Andrew: [laughs] Right.

Eric: …and it couldn’t even sustain the weight of the books, I don’t think, over time, and so people who bought that found very quickly that the trunk was becoming destroyed just from gravity.

Andrew: This looks to be paper. I mean, it’d be very cool if it was wood, but this looks to be paper.

Eric: Paper? Yeah.

Andrew: Or cardboard.

Eric: I’m saying if it’s going to be $500, make it out of gold, you know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: It better be signed by every person that ever acted in these films, for $500.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, they’re going to have the numbered editions, whatever that means, but it’s also to include collectable memorabilia items, including concept art, a map of Hogwarts and much more. The concept art stuff we’ve seen in the Ultimate Edition, so…

Eric: Or in Film Wizardry, or in…

Andrew: Right.

Eric:Page to Screen, or in the Marauder’s Map, or at the exhibition, or at the studio tour.

Andrew: No release date yet for this product, but it is looking to come out sometime this year.

Micah: With Pottermore?

Eric: Wizard’s Collection. That’s who it’s for: wizards.


Listener Tweets: J.K. Rowling’s New Book


Andrew: So, that is it for news, and obviously a lot of big news so we wanted to spend the majority of the episode discussing that. But the Twitter question this week we have for everybody who follows us on Twitter.com/MuggleCast. We asked you: What do you expect from J.K. Rowling’s new book? What do you expect it to be about and why, and what do you hope for? Natalie Morelli said:

“I just hope for another series with some of her wonderful character development!”

Terrance Pinkston of Hogwarts Radio said:

“A thriller! I think it would be great to show another writing style that has something that’ll keep us on the edge of our seats.”

Ooh, now this I like. Mitch Hull wrote:

“Steamy romance. With Fabio on the cover. Please, Jo.”

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Fabio?

Andrew: That was also Laura Thompson’s idea, steamy romance. One of those great…

Laura: Hey, hey, he’s my boyfriend. Don’t…

Andrew: Who, Mitch?

[Micah laughs]

Laura: No!

Andrew: Oh.

Laura: Fabio!

Andrew: Oh, Fabio. [laughs]

Laura: God.

Andrew: Okay.

Micah: [laughs] Let’s just keep it going.

Eric: There’s a bit of a disconnect happening.

Andrew: [laughs] Christy wrote:

“I think it’s going to be a Victorian mystery novel just because that’s what it seems like she loves. I would enjoy anything.”

That’s interesting. Victorian.

Laura: What makes you think she loves Victorian?

Andrew: What makes you think she doesn’t?

Laura: Well, no, this person said, “It seems likes she loves…”

Andrew: No, I know.

Eric: Well, J.K. Rowling goes around writing things on statues, so I don’t know.

Andrew: [laughs] That’s true!

Eric: She’s been known to do that.

Andrew: ac_maher wrote:

“As unlikely and denied as it is, imagine if it was secretly prequel-esque. The fandom would go crazy.”

Eric: No.

Andrew: Yeah, it’s definitely not going to be Potter.

Laura: That’s not going to happen.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: No Potter.

Laura: Sorry to shatter your dreams, but not happening.

Andrew: emilyzit wrote:

“I think it will be amazing and completely different, but we all know she is a great writer so I have high hopes.”

AmishFlyers66 wrote:

“A grownup Ron tires of life in Hermione’s shadow, runs away to Edinburgh where he hangs out his shingle and solves local murders.”

[laughs] Okay.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Very descriptive. PennyLane516 wrote:

“I hope it draws me in just like ‘Potter’ did but doesn’t try too hard to be enticing. I hope it can stand on its own.”

GleeLover15 wrote:

“I don’t really care. I’m just am glad she’s writing something! I hope it is totally different than ‘HP’ so we can have a new story!”

Ben: You know, Andrew, I need to go.

Andrew: EmilyPeanut…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: No, you don’t.

Ben: Okay, I don’t.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: EmilyPeanut wrote:

“I just hope it’s really good. After ‘Potter’, she has lots of pressure for it to be amazing like ‘Potter’ is.”

So we could go on and on with Twitter replies, but thanks everybody who follows us on Twitter, Twitter.com/MuggleCast, and we always ask a question. All right, Ben. Well, where are you going? At least tell us that.

Ben: I got to go downstairs.

Andrew: And?

Ben: Take care of business.

Andrew: Are you cheating on us? Do you have another podcast to record?

Ben: Yeah, I do, and other things to take care of.

Andrew: [laughs] YokoCast?

Ben: YokoCast. Laura is meeting me downstairs in twenty minutes.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Okay.

Ben: I got Jamie Lennon flying in from England.

Andrew: Lawrence.

Ben: Lawrence, Lennon.

Andrew: Well, thanks for joining us on our 250th episode, and we’ll see you at Episode 500.

Ben: Episode – yeah, that’s exactly what I was going to say. That was going to be my joke, you stole it from me.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: I’ve been waiting to use that.

Eric: Sharing is caring.

Ben: But I love everybody. I miss everybody.

Andrew: And you can follow Ben at Twitter.com/benschoen.

Ben: Yeah, that’s me.

Micah: I thought…

Andrew: It’s a good Twitter account.

Ben: Mhm. Micah Tannenbaum, it’s been great!

Micah: See you, Ringo.

Ben: Eric Thompson, it’s been good.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Ben: Laura Scull, talk to you guys soon.

Andrew: All right. Goodbye, Ben.

Ben: Andrew Lawrence, later.

Laura: It’ll probably be another two years, Ben, I’ll see you.

Ben: Probably. Hit me up!

[Andrew and Laura laugh]


Muggle Mail: Felix Felicis


Andrew: On to the e-mails. Eric, could you read the first one from Sarah?

Eric: Yeah. First e-mail is from Sarah, age 15. She says:

“So recently I have been doing a bit of research on Felix Felicis, and I noticed that it takes six months to brew the potion. How did Professor Slughorn in ‘Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince’ have all of the Felix Felicis ready if he only got hired two months previously? Sorry if this is a topic you have already discussed, but I would like to hear what you guys have to say about it.”

Laura: Maybe…

Eric: So, we’re talking at the beginning of Harry Potter: Year 6.

Laura: Maybe he bought it somewhere, pre-brewed. I’m sure you can do that.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Or couldn’t it have been in storage at Hogwarts somewhere?

Eric: Well, can you store it like – is there a Rubbermaid or a tupperware…

Andrew: Oh yeah, I see what you mean. I mean, somebody – another teacher could be brewing it. Think of how many teachers are at Hogwarts.

Eric: That’s true. I wonder, also, how much of that brewing process is actually brewing. Do you know what I’m saying? Gathering the ingredients is some, some ingredients have to mature. So by the time you actually throw them into a cauldron and it turns gold, I’m sure that isn’t until sort of the very end.

Andrew: Laura, would you like to read the next e-mail?


Muggle Mail: Watches in Hogwarts


Laura: So, the next one comes from Cassandra-lee, age 14, of Melbourne, and she says:

“Hi MuggleCast, I was re-reading ‘Goblet of Fire’ and it got me thinking that if you can’t use Muggle objects around Hogwarts because of the magic (as referenced from ‘Hogwarts: A History’) if this is true, how come they can use watches? Wouldn’t it affect the magic just as electricity would? Just a thought. Love your podcast, keep rocking!”

Hmm.

Eric: Are the watches just a movie thing? I’m really trying to think of a book reference where they said…

Laura: Because don’t they, for their seventeenth birthday, get some special watch?

Eric: Ooh, maybe.

Laura: Like the one Dumbledore had with the planets around the outside.

Eric: Well, then there’s the Weasley clock which again, it’s a clock and it’s around magic. But I’m thinking…

Laura: But it’s a magical one now.

Eric: Yeah. Well, at the movies – or in the movie, there’s that giant clock tower, that pendulum…

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: …that Umbridge walks by, or Snape stands by in the movies.

Andrew: Couldn’t the watches have been enchanted?

Eric: Well, I think – and with big clocks, anyway – they’re more mechanical than electrical, if that makes sense, so it’s like gears turning.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: So, what if the magic just makes the gears turn? Whereas – so it doesn’t need to be – it replaces electricity then, because watches are more of a machine than – a computer wouldn’t be able to work without electricity, but gears would be able to turn with magic.

Andrew: Yeah, I could see how it could’ve been – these watches were enchanted or made in the wizarding world, which would – because, what, do they have no clocks?

Eric: Well, yeah, how do they tell the time if they don’t…

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Yeah. Or – I think with the books, there was always that – they were talking about periods ending, going onto the next period, or bells or something. How would they change classes without a time-keeping system?

Andrew: Yeah, I don’t know. I don’t know. My best guess is what I’ve just stated. Micah, could you read the next e-mail from Theresa?


Muggle Mail: The Deathly Hallows


Micah: The next e-mail is from Teresa, 17, of Taiwan, and she says:

“Hey MuggleCasters, I’ve been listening to the podcast for almost a year and I think you guys are great! Since there isn’t a lot of fans in my school and no one (that I know of) who is as into the series, it has always been exciting to follow the new episodes and listen to you guys discuss ‘Harry Potter’.

Here’s something I couldn’t quite understand, and I was hoping that you guys could answer it for me: I was re-reading ‘Deathly Hallows’ the other day, and there’s something that I find strange. On page 572 of the UK edition, Dumbledore answered Harry about ‘The Tale of the Three Brothers’: ‘I think it more likely that the Peverell brothers were simply gifted, dangerous wizards who succeeded in creating those powerful objects.’ If it really was so, then shouldn’t ‘The Master of Death’ be nothing more than an empty title simply made up by whoever…”

[coughs] Excuse me. “Did it?” I guess is what she’s trying to say.

“Why would Dumbledore, as brilliant as he might be, believe that there truly is a master of Death? Is there something that I’ve missed or is it something that is just not fully explained?”

Laura: I thought the whole idea was that that title was more of a self-fulfilling prophecy. You couldn’t really obtain it without first trying to seek it, which ended up being impossible because as Dumbledore kind of explained, anybody who went out to actually try and seek power was actually not equipped to yield it, whereas somebody like Harry, who had it thrust upon him, was actually a very good leader. So, I don’t think that – I think Dumbledore was right by saying that it was really just kind of a tale based off of these three very talented, dangerously-talented men, but I don’t think that it’s actually real. I think that Dumbledore was just very enticed by the objects and what they were capable of.

Eric: Hmm.

Micah: Yeah, and I think though that we’ve seen wands have certain allegiances, aside from the Elder Wand, right? In parts of the series? So I don’t – and wasn’t there that whole bit about when Harry was killed by Voldemort, or whatever you want to say happened to him, he cast that sort of same protection that his mother cast on him? So that in part, I think, aided him in his defeat…

Eric: To be the Master of Death.

Micah: …of the Death Eaters and Voldemort.

Eric: Yeah, it’s interesting and it’s a bit – I don’t want to say it’s convoluted, but Harry had several things going for him. There was the blood seal, his mother’s sacrifice, the fact that he was The Chosen One, the prophecy, and that he was wielding – over time he had each of the Deathly Hallows. Yeah, I don’t know. But I always just kind of took The Tale of the Three Brothers as being true, but then this quote from Dumbledore says that he doesn’t really think there were three brothers, or that he didn’t think they met Death. He just thought they created these three different objects.

Laura: Yeah, that’s how I always took it, that they had created these objects, or at the very least had come to possess them somehow, and then as they got passed down over time – much in the same way that our own kind of folklore and legends are created, people start creating stories in order to make sense of why things are the way they are.

Eric: Yeah, that’s a really rich interpretation of the story and also – yeah, I agree completely. That makes sense to me.


Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul


Andrew: All right, to wrap up the show today we have Chicken Soup: Extra Spicy (Dedicated) Edition.

Micah: Oh.

Andrew: Titled by Eric Scull.

Eric: Yeah, extra spicy and then the dedicated is in parenthesis. So this guy is – you’ll understand.

Andrew: Okay. I thought this was like a Chick-fil-A reference or something.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: This is from…

Laura: Oh, I miss Chick-fil-A. Sorry, go ahead.

Andrew: Me too. I just had it twelve hours ago. Twenty-four hours ago.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: So, waiting forever. Anyway, Matt L, 14, from Tampa, Florida. He writes:

“Dear MuggleCast, this week I have been stuck in bed at home sick for all week. It sucks, which is why I decided to go back and re-listen to all the MuggleCast episodes. I will admit that I almost gave up at the twelve-hour live show…”

Laura: Oh yeah, so did we.

Micah: So did we, yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: But we made it to twelve hours! I think I was on for like ten minutes of that.

Andrew: He continues.

“…but it is so great, listening to how great the whole experience has been. Thanks so much for keeping me from going insane in my room. I’m currently on Episode 164.”

And then he asked a question so we should just answer this.

“Why did Voldy crumble into frosted flakes in ‘DH2’? You should re-listen to Episode 4.”

Laura: Uh-oh. I don’t get it. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, did we predict that’d happen in Episode 4?

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Episode 4 was me, Ben, Jamie…

Micah: Was there an explanation there?

Andrew: We’ve talked about how he fell apart and that was just – I don’t know. I think we all had differing opinions on it. But…

Laura: Well, he didn’t fall apart though. Not in the book.

Andrew: No, no, no. Yeah, no, of course, but we’re talking about in the movie.

Eric: That’s a fairly…

Laura: Yeah, I know, but I think…

Eric: …big change if you think about it.

Laura: If it’s Episode 4 then that means that we made some kind of prophetic statement.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: As we tend to do.

Andrew: Oh yeah, I guess you’re right. Somebody should go back and listen to it.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: It’s probably about a cereal.

Andrew: Somebody let us know.

Eric: I think it’s about a cereal. I think Jamie…

Laura: [laughs] Yeah, because we’re not going to do it.

Andrew: Yeah, I can’t listen to myself.

Micah: Neither can we.

Andrew: I listen to myself all day.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: I talk to myself, I’m very lonely. Anyway, thanks, Matt. Hope you got better. Can you believe that, guys? He’s fourteen. When we started this show he was about…

Eric: Eight?

Andrew: I don’t even think he was born yet.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: [laughs] Wait, how many years has this been going? We started this in 2006?

Eric: Do the math, he was…

Andrew: Five.

Eric: Five.

Laura: 2005?!

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Oh my God, seven years?

Andrew: So seven years, so he was…

Eric: Yeah…

Andrew: [in a silly voice] He was a little seven-year-old.

Eric: …Laura, our seventh year is coming up in August.

Laura: Oh my God.

Andrew: In August.

Laura: I’ve known you people too long.

Eric: Yeah, you should leave and go to a different country…

Andrew: Laura, you’re like freaking out right now.

Eric: …or something to get away from us.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Laura: Then that doesn’t work, either.

Andrew: And live amongst the toucans.

Eric: Yeah.

[Laura laughs]


Announcement: MuggleNet Site Issues


Andrew: Anyway, it’s been a very fun show, I have to say.

Eric: If you sent an e-mail to mugglecast at gmail and got bounced, we had some kind of a lockout issue. So I wanted to just remind everybody, please e-mail us at mugglecast at gmail

Andrew: Well – no, I don’t think that was the problem. I think it’s because the site is down, [laughs] which I also want to bring up.

Eric: Oh.

Andrew: We’ve been getting a lot of comments about that because people can’t e-mail in via the feedback form, so I think that’s why e-mails stopped.

Eric: Oh okay.

Andrew: So yeah, if you’re wondering, the site is going to be down for a little bit longer. But when it is usually up, you can go to MuggleCast.com to find all you need about the show, to download the latest episodes and whatnot. Right now you can get episodes via MuggleNet.com.

Micah: Why don’t I explain a little bit of that, real quick?

Andrew: Okay.

Micah: For people who are looking to get onto MuggleNet, there have been some problems the last couple of weeks with some malware on the site. We took most of the site offline so that we could try and fix the problem, and that it doesn’t infect anybody’s computer. So hopefully, MuggleCast will be back up in the next few days, in time for this episode.

Andrew: What happened was I got really angry that I’m no longer part of MuggleNet.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: So I started installing malware on the site.

Micah: We knew it.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: There was actually theories about it. I saw some people in the comments being like, “Oh, Andrew must have done it.” [laughs] I was like, “Yeah.”

[Laura laughs]

Eric: I did not originate that rumor, I will tell you that.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Yeah, you did.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: No, I think that…

Andrew: No, I didn’t do it, I just paid somebody to do it. No, this is a joke.

Laura: Damon. You got Damon to do it.

Andrew: Damon! He’s striking back, finally, after all these years!

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: Waffles.

Andrew: No, it’s Ciaran. Oh man, the site has so many enemies!

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Laura: Oh God.


Show Close


Andrew: Anyway, it’s been a fun 250th episode. And really a fun 250 episodes.

Eric: Gosh, we didn’t even reflect.

Andrew: Well, we did a little bit.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Let’s reflect. We’ve got five minutes here.

Andrew: We reflect, like, every ten episodes. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah, it’s true, now because they’re so far apart.

Andrew: It’s the same stuff. But thank you to everybody who has been listening over the years. It’s just been a lot of fun.

Eric: And this guy, this Chicken Soup, 164 episodes in one week.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s pretty impressive.

Eric: That’s actually mathematically impossible.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: But I don’t want to…

Andrew: No, nice going, dude. Nice going, Matt.

Eric: I don’t want to call him out, but man, that’s awesome.

Andrew: Yeah, I know. That’s great. Podcasts are always fun to listen to. I listen to podcasts myself. Not this one, but it’s because I’m on it. So really, I am listening.

Eric: Yeah. And if you edit it, you’re really living it like three times. There’s no…

Andrew: Yeah. Right. And now that we have this new book from J.K. Rowling to look forward to, who knows how we can incorporate this book into MuggleCast itself in the future.

Micah: Exactly.

Andrew: So yeah. And whatever J.K. Rowling writes next. And what Pottermore puts out next, and what happens at the Wizarding World. There’s just so much.

Eric: When’s the – before the next episode comes out of MuggleCast, there will be a studio tour, right? Does that – isn’t that March?

Andrew: Yeah, the studio tour will be open at the very end of March, and MuggleNet and Hypable will both be going to the release events. So…

Micah: So we’ll be sure to talk about it. How about next episode we – we’ll talk a little bit about the content on Pottermore because who knows when it’s opening to the public.

Eric: Oh…

Andrew: We have talked about it, haven’t we?

Micah: No, we didn’t talk about it because…

Andrew: We didn’t go in-depth on it.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: I need to find my username and password.

Andrew: Very good. Laura, hope to have you on again soon. It’s always lovely having you on.

Laura: Yeah, definitely.

Andrew: And again, MuggleCast.com. Usually when it’s up, you’ll have all the information you need, but in the meantime you can follow us on Twitter, Twitter.com/MuggleCast, Facebook which is Facebook.com/MuggleCast, and the fan Tumblr which is MuggleCast.Tumblr.com. Thanks everyone for listening! I’m Andrew Sims.

Micah: I like how this person just said that they’re going to be listening again now that Laura…

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Micah: …and I guess Ben are on.

Laura: Awww.

Andrew: What, on Twitter?

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh cool.

Micah: I guess the three of us weren’t good enough.

Eric: [laughs] Oh, we’re…

Andrew: What do you mean listening…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Oh, that person quit listening, and now…

Micah: Yeah, now they’re back.

Andrew: Nice.

Eric: It might just be worth returning to.

Micah: So thanks, Brad.

Andrew: And thanks, Laura and Ben…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: …for…

Eric: Giving us that edge.

Laura: For bringing Brad back?

Andrew: We’re up one listener, woo-hoo!

[Everyone laughs]

[Show music begins]

Andrew: Every listener matters. Anyway, I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: I’m Eric Scull.

Micah: You can go, Laura.

Laura: No, Micah, you have way more seniority over me. Go.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Awww.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Laura: And I’m Laura Thompson.

Andrew: [poorly impersonating Ben] And I’m Ben Schoen.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: That’s my best Ben Schoen.

Micah: Ringo Starr.

Andrew: [poorly impersonating Ben] And I’m Ben Schoen. And I’m Ben Schoen.

Eric: [poorly impersonating Ben] Peace and love. Peace and love.

Andrew: [poorly impersonating Ben] Peace and love.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Thanks everyone for listening. We’ll see you next time for Episode 251. Goodbye!

Laura and Micah: Bye!

[Show music continues]

Transcript #249

MuggleCast 249 Transcript


Show Intro


[“Hedwig’s Theme” plays]

Andrew: Because even JK Rowling gets un-followed on Twitter – by who?! – this is MuggleCast Episode 249 for February 12th, 2012.

[Show music begins]

Andrew: This week’s episode of MuggleCast is brought to you by Audible.com, the Internet’s leading provider of audiobooks, with more than 100,000 downloadable titles across all types of literature, including fiction, non-fiction, and periodicals. For a free audiobook of your choice, go to AudiblePodcast.com/MuggleCast.

[Show music continues]

Andrew: Welcome everyone to MuggleCast Episode 249! Micah, Eric, and I are here this week. And also on the show, first time in a long time, Mikey B!

Mikey: Hi everybody!

Andrew: [in a funny voice] Hailing from Kentucky, America.

[Eric laughs]

Mikey: What is that voice, Andrew?

Andrew: [in a funny voice] North America!

[Mikey laughs]

Andrew: I don’t know, it was what you were doing.

Mikey: Is that what I did? Okay.

Andrew: Kind of.

Mikey: I don’t know.

Andrew: Anyway, good to hear from you, Mikey.

Mikey: I know.

Andrew: How is life out there, living the married life?

Mikey: Yeah, living the married life. It’s a little bit different than what I was used to out in California, but it’s fun. It’s colder out here.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, you ain’t in California no more.

Mikey: I know.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: But he’s got California weather.

Mikey: Oh, I did for a while but now it’s like 24 degrees. I’m freezing.

Eric: I know. Mikey, what is that?

Mikey: I know! You’re in Chicago.

Eric: Chicago is…

Mikey: Exactly!

Eric: Chicago is the same way, and we had…

Mikey: You’re only five hours from me, so I know.

Eric: Yeah. That’s cool.

Andrew: Well, we have lots of interesting news to get through. Thanks to Dan Radcliffe and his Woman in Black publicity tour. That’s of course his new horror film, and he’s been going all over the United States and United Kingdom promoting it, probably other countries as well. And now that he’s done Harry Potter, he sort of is like speaking more off the cuff, I feel.

[Eric and Mikey laugh]

Andrew: These interviews have been insane.

Eric: Yeah.

[Mikey laughs]

Andrew: Like every new interview, there’s something else to be talking about that is surprising or shocking.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: So, go ahead, Micah. Lead us through it, please! Like always.


News: Daniel Radcliffe Discusses Potter and Twilight Fandoms


Micah: Well, the first piece of news that we have here was Dan Radcliffe discussing Twilight as a potential threat to Potter. And he also went into which series he believed was more [laughs] sexually aggressive, and this just goes to what you were talking about before, Andrew. It seems like he’s opening up a bit more. He has freedom of speech now, whereas maybe Warner Bros. put a little bit of a lid on him through all of these films. And it’s interesting. He told I guess a magazine in London that there was never really any kind of competition between Potter and Twilight, and – I kind of agree with him though, because I think you have to have two things that are on equal footing to be competitive. Isn’t that right?

Andrew: Yeah. And it was funny because he kind of called the whole comparison between – you know, Harry Potter versus Twilight, that whole versus concept in the first place, just odd for people to be doing that. And then addressing these sexual aggressiveness of things, I think he was more referring to the content of the books. [laughs] But still very funny. It’s always interesting to hear Dan, who is so of course attached to Harry Potter, talk about other fandoms.

Mikey: Well, I like that he said he was Team Edward because he’s friends with Robert Pattinson. So…

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Mikey: I was like, “Oh, that’s interesting.”

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: They’re two book series, that’s the common thread between the two of them.

Andrew: Yeah, you really can’t compare it. I mean, there’s no point in comparing it and people like to say, “Oh, one is better than the other,” but of course listeners of this podcast will probably say Harry Potter is better. But it’s just silly. It’s all entertainment. It’s all the same trip.

Mikey: Yeah, one has got wizards, one has got vampires. Again…

Andrew: Sparkly vampires.

Mikey: Sparkly vampires. You’re right, you’re right. I can’t – the only thing I can compare is Wizards of Waverly Place had wizards and vampires so that might be the common thread between the two of them.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: Hmm.

Mikey: I watch that on Disney Channel, you guys know that, so I have to bring that in. [laughs]

Micah: Well, wasn’t it – I saw a graphic recently saying that Disney created a better love story in seven minutes with Up than Twilight did…

Andrew: Twilight did in four books.

Micah: …in an entire series.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Andrew and Mikey laugh]

Eric: Well, not a whole lot of things can top Up, that first seven minutes.

Micah: That was an awesome movie.

Mikey: Yeah, Up was phenomenal. So…

Andrew: Anyway, what other shocking statements did Radcliffe make?


News: Daniel Radcliffe Says Potter Oscars Snub was “Snobbery”


Mikey: Well, he also said that Potter Oscar snub was snobbery. So he’s really laying it all out there, and he went on to say:

“I don’t think the Oscars like commercial films, or kids’ films, unless they’re directed by Martin Scorsese. I was watching ‘Hugo’ the other day and going, ‘Why is this nominated and we’re not?’ I was slightly miffed. There’s a certain amount of snobbery.”

[Andrew and Mikey laugh]

Andrew: It’s so funny to me that he would put down Hugo, which has gotten very, very, very good reviews. I haven’t seen it, but I’ve heard good things.

Eric: I don’t know that he…

Micah: Did it top Deathly Hallows – Part 2‘s 97% on Rotten Tomatoes?

Andrew: 96%.

Micah: Oh.

Eric: Oh, 96%, look at that. Well, I think – I haven’t seen Hugo, I do want to, but I think people are misreading that quote where he says, “Why is this nominated?” He says, “Why is this nominated and we’re not?” It’s kind of the second half of that that’s…

Andrew: Oh, that’s true. That’s true.

Eric: …more important because I think what he’s saying is that Hugo and Potter are very similar, which – based on what I read about Hugo, it’s not. But when I first saw the trailer for Hugo, it looked exactly like a Harry Potter film.

Andrew: Yeah, it did have that feeling. And maybe what he also meant was that up to ten films could have been nominated for Best Picture and only nine were nominated. So…

Eric: That was the most shocking thing. We didn’t even cover that, because before – on our last show, the announcements hadn’t come yet. It was like the day before the announcements.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: Yeah.

Eric: So nine categories – or nine nominees for Best Movie this year instead of the…

Micah: When he says “commercial films” though, is he referring to Potter? Or when he says “kids’ films,” is he referring to Potter? Because I wouldn’t consider at least the latter half of the Potter films to be kids’ films.

Mikey: Yeah.

Eric: Well, you wouldn’t, but would critics?

Mikey: It’s a children’s story. I would say that’s what he can consider. At the same time, I think commercial films – like when you look at all the films that are Best Picture, none of them made nearly what Harry Potter did. But again, it’s a huge franchise, so…

Andrew: Well, we’ll discuss the Oscars more in a little bit. We have a main discussion on this.

Mikey: I know.

Micah: Yeah.

Mikey: I’m excited.

Andrew: Let’s hear more in a bit.

Mikey: I’m excited.


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News: Daniel Radcliffe Reveals Who He’d Want to Play if Potter Films Were Remade


Micah: Well, one of the other things that Dan was asked about was if the Potter films were to be remade, what character would he want to play. And not surprisingly, he said he’d want to play James Potter.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Not a very exciting choice.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: No, but he selected it for that reason, it’s because it wouldn’t require much work of him.

Mikey: See, if he was going to come back to Harry Potter films, they’re remaking them, I’d want him to play Hagrid.

[Andrew and Mikey laugh]

Mikey: I think it would be fun!

Andrew: I don’t think he has the stature.

Mikey: I think it would be fun. But see – come on, they could do amazing things in post. Like come on, wouldn’t Dan Radcliffe being Hagrid just be fun for fans?

Eric: Not as cool as it would to see him as Snape.

[Mikey laughs]

Andrew: Hmm.

Mikey: Ehhh. But see, Hagrid is just a love-able character. Snape – I still have a hard time loving Snape.

Eric: No, me too, which is why it would be really cool if he were like this dark – oh, maybe in like fifteen, twenty-five years, something like that.

Micah: Maybe.

Mikey: We’ll see.

Micah: It’s interesting though because I wonder how the people who are behind The Woman in Black feel about the fact that Dan Radcliffe is putting out all this material related to Potter when he should be promoting that film. Or do you guys think that it kind of lends to the promotion of the film anyway? Because he’s saying some pretty interesting stuff here that we’ve never heard before.

Mikey: It’s lending to the film.

Eric: Yeah, he’s showing up at the places. Whenever they talk about promoting a film, it just means appearing in interviews. And when they get introduced like on Letterman, “Oh, appearing to talk about his new film Woman in Black is Dan Radcliffe.” But then when you get to the interview part, they can talk about anything. And it doesn’t really matter because…

Andrew: And people want to hear talk about Potter.

Mikey: And at the same time, it’s Dan Radcliffe. He is Harry Potter.

Andrew: Mhm.

Mikey: So here’s what happens, is if they can bring in a quarter of the Harry Potter fandom in to see Woman in Black, that movie does well.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: So they’re – it’s kind of like taking the best things [laughs] that Dan Radcliffe did…

Eric: Plus…

Mikey: …and put it in this film, so it’s like, “Hey, come on, let’s get him in here.”

Eric: The other thing is – guys, how often do you think he gets asked, “Oh, are you sad Harry Potter is over?” Or, “How often do you think -” if you had to divide the questions that people ask Dan Radcliffe these days, how many do you think have to do with Harry Potter and how many do you think don’t? So I think just in general there’s this – people still want to talk about it and he’s like – I think he’s being forced to kind of…

Andrew: But he knows it’s good though because if he does say these surprising, interesting things, then it makes for a good headline, then people read the article, and then at the end they see “Dan Radcliffe is in The Woman in Black in theaters now.”

Mikey: Yeah, that’s exactly it.

Eric: Yeah, I like – yeah. He’s definitely able to open up about Potter now a little bit more. It’s been some time…

Andrew: Which is good.

Eric: Yeah. So it’s a good thing.

Andrew: And then a little side-note to that story, he also said he would be Harry Potter again.

Eric: What?

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: So he’s kind of contradicting himself. And the “I would play Harry Potter again” comment came out before the James Potter comment, so…

Micah: Well, it’s just headline of the day, whatever fits with how he’s feeling, I guess.

Andrew: Yeah. But it makes you think what – I mean, is he saying that because he knows he has some theme park work coming up, or what?

[Andrew and Mikey laugh]

Eric: Hmm.

Micah: Maybe.

Mikey: “Get your picture taken with the real Harry Potter!”

Eric: Oh no.

Micah: Book 9.

Andrew: I mean, I don’t mean that. I mean like new video stuff for the upcoming theme park expansion or whatever.

Eric: Gosh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wonder. Huh.

Andrew: So maybe he’s just playing to save – if he said, “I will never play Harry Potter again,” that probably wouldn’t go well…

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: …when we knew he had to go film some theme park stuff.


News: Daniel Radcliffe Says He Considered Leaving the Potter Franchise


Micah: Well, it’s interesting you say that, Andrew.

Andrew: Oh why?

Micah: Because there was a time he thought about never playing Harry Potter again.

Eric: Gasp!

Andrew: Hmm.

[Mikey laughs]

Micah: He told the…

Andrew: Man, he just really can’t make up his mind, can he?

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Micah: He told The Fan Carpet that, quote:

“There was a time after the third film when I thought about quitting. It was only for a second, but I thought, ‘If I do the fourth, I’ll have to do them all,’ and that seemed quite daunting. If I was going to leave, that would have been the perfect time because it would have given whoever came in to play Harry enough films to establish himself properly. It wouldn’t have totally dumped him in the…”

[censored] I guess is what he meant to say.

“But then I started thinking…”

Oh, am I allowed to say that?

Andrew: Yeah, whatever.

Micah: Okay.

“…’What other good parts are there for fifteen-year-olds? None.'”

Andrew: Yeah, and my feeling on this is, okay, he considered it. Let’s say he actually decided, “Yeah, I’m going to leave Harry Potter,” first of all, very stupid decision; second of all, WB wouldn’t have let him go. They would have just kept throwing money at him until there was an offer that he would have accepted. You can’t get rid of your lead character halfway through the series. I mean…

Eric: I feel like – but we had heard those news stories – even we reported on those stories. Even during the first days of MuggleCast, there was – wasn’t it for Movie 5 or Movie 6 we weren’t even sure? Because they didn’t have contracts.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: They never had contracts all the way through.

Andrew: Up until Movie 5.

Eric: Up until Movie 5.

Andrew: Yeah, and then I remember there was a big press release about how [in a dramatic voice] Warner Bros. signs the trio on for all the remaining Harry Potter films.

Eric: Right. So up until Movie 5…

Andrew: It was like a sigh of relief.

Eric: Yeah, I remember that being a big deal. So it was interesting to me, reading this story, because Dan said as early as – before Movie 4 he considered – or at least was thought – it came to his head about possibly leaving. So that’s interesting.


News: Daniel Radcliffe Says He Went to Potter Set Still Drunk From Night Before


Micah: Yup. And another piece of information that came out probably a couple of months ago was that Dan Radcliffe had a pretty bad drinking problem. But what we found out more recently was that he was drunk night before going in to film Harry Potter. So – I mean, this is something that is dicey to talk about. It kind of falls under that tabloid label almost.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: But I guess it’s still news.

Eric: [sighs] This story is – this story upsets me. This is the one where I’m like, “Okay, Dan talking about this is not going to serve any good purpose.” Like, it’s not going to help you to talk about “Hey, go back and view all these movies. I’m going to point out scenes where I’m dead in the eyes and that’s because I had been drinking the night before and was still drinking – or still drunk when I arrived on set.” Okay, that to me hurts the film and it hurts his – how people view him.

Micah: Well…

Eric: On one hand, it’s good that he’s being open about it. But it’s also saying…

Micah: Yeah, he’s not afraid to talk about it.

Eric: He’s not afraid to talk about it, okay. But – “What was the context?” I guess is what I’m asking.

Micah: Well, the information was revealed, like I said, months ago where he was very public about the fact that he had a drinking problem, and he said it was due to his addictive personality. And he felt that this is something that would have happened whether or not he was a part of the films from the beginning. And so I don’t know. I mean, I just think that it’s something that he had to combat in his life, and…

Mikey: If anything, it’s kind of him showing that he’s overcome this drinking addiction.

Eric: Yeah.

Mikey: Although I will say that I think the interviewer – like I’m looking at it right now. In context, it’s really the person that’s kind of baying him at it. It says:

“You’re only 22. Don’t most people in their early twenties drink too much?”

And he’s like – and then he goes on and said it’s because of his addictive personality, so he admits he was at fault here. But then he also says he can also say he never drank at work on Harry Potter, so he didn’t drink while doing Harry Potter. But he went to work still drunk, meaning he had drunk the night before. And that’s being honest. He’s not trying to say that – “I had a drinking problem but I can honestly say at work I tried to stay as professional.” And then they go:

“You mean Harry Potter had a hangover?!”

And he’s like, yeah. If he went to work drunk, he knows where he was. Probably – I dare someone to point to certain scenes and say that that’s when he was drunk. He might see it but it’s because this was a hard time for him. It’s like anyone dealing with addiction. So I think that’s being taken out of context and…

Andrew: It is.

Mikey: It’s a good tagline, “Harry Potter was drunk at work,” you know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Okay.

Andrew: I…

Eric: I…

Andrew: Go ahead.

Eric: I misread this, yeah. Mikey, that’s a – okay, I see it now and having read the interview now or the part of it that’s quoted from HeatWorld, now I see it. And you’re right, I think the fact that he can see those scenes doesn’t mean that anybody else can. It just means that that kind of thing – it’ll always be there kind of…

Mikey: To haunt him. It’s going to haunt him.

Eric: To haunt him…

Mikey: Yeah.

Eric: …in a way, yeah.

Andrew: And it’s good that he feels confident enough to speak about it now. That’s the other thing. He’s not particularly ashamed by it because he has moved passed it and he accepted that time of his life. But very interesting. [laughs] This is going to sound kind of bad, but [laughs] I was considering – because he says in the interview he can point out scenes where he looks dead in the eyes [laughs] and I was thinking of watching Half-Blood Prince and making a list like, “The top ten scenes Dan Radcliffe is definitely drunk or hungover in.”

[Andrew and Mikey laugh]

Andrew: But then that would have been bad taste. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah, it would have been. But I think, too – the other thing is I don’t think it was that obvious.

Andrew: No, me neither.

Mikey: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah. But if we go back and look, of course, then yeah, we might see something that…

Mikey: Well, it’s hindsight – in hindsight you can see things and now that I know this, I might be watching Deathly Hallows – Part 2 again and re-watching…

Andrew: Half-Blood Prince.

Mikey: Or Half-Blood Prince, sorry. I’m where it’s at. But going back and looking for specific stuff like this. But you know what? Am I really going to notice it? Probably not.

Eric: Yeah, I think it’s probably one of those things where you know yourself so well you can tell when you’re buzzed or whatever. But I don’t think anybody else – because the other thing is the director – this one – the movies – whatever you see on the finished product went through a hundred other eyes, and if there was a problem with it, Dan was obviously one way or another. It wouldn’t have made it into the film.

Mikey: If anything, I think for this right here, he can see it and I think if anything we just think that, “Wow, he is a better actor. He really was sullen from Dumbledore’s death or something like that.”

Eric: [laughs] The bags under his eyes are real because he didn’t sleep well.

Mikey: Yeah, the bags under his eyes are real but we thought it just, “Wow, they did great makeup on him.”

Eric: No, that’s…

Andrew: Somebody left this comment on Hypable and I think this about sums it up. She said:

“So that’s how he did the Felix Felicis scenes…”

[Andrew and Mikey laugh]

Micah: Wow.

Eric: Which are the best scenes in any of the movies.

[Mikey laughs]

Andrew: That was from Katelyn.

Micah: But I think – it’s interesting that we expected all of these kids really to go through the series without having any sort of blemish on them, and really we talked about how insulated they were and how they grew up really out of the spotlight and kind of maintained those images over time. And now we see a story like this, but – I mean, I don’t think it should shock anybody, right?

Eric: No.

Andrew: Well, it’s…

Micah: I mean, this kind of stuff happens all the time. It’s just magnified by the fact that he played Harry Potter.

Eric: Well, I mean, if anything – if anybody was lashing out in rebellion it was Emma Watson when she cut off all her hair. “Finally! Got a – I’m free!” That was what that said. So…

Andrew: But you’re right, Micah, and we’ve always thought about, “Wow, all these kids have really grown up well.” And they all really did, and Dan Radcliffe obviously did grow up really well and he’s a great guy and professionally has a great career ahead of him. But you never know what’s happening behind the scenes sometimes, and…

Mikey: But that’s – Dan Radcliffe and the trio themselves are kind of put under a microscope because of who they are. But it’s the same with anything else. Like, look at Disney. Anything that happens in their parks – Apple, they’re huge now and so everything that they do, it goes everywhere. So big companies, actors – you see it all the time. TMZ makes a living out of this type of stuff, so…


Eric Reviews The Woman in Black Movie


Eric: Oh, I don’t know that TMZ does anybody I care about. [laughs] I think now would be a good time to ask, have you guys seen The Woman in Black? Did you guys all see it?

Mikey: No.

Andrew: No.

Micah: No, I didn’t.

Mikey: [laughs] No.

Eric: What?!

Mikey: Did you, Eric?

Eric: [laughs] What?

Andrew: Honestly, I’m not that into horror films and I’m not going to be…

Micah: Scared?

Andrew: …following Dan Radcliffe through every film that he does, so…

Eric: Okay.

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: You know what? I…

Eric: That’s fine.

Andrew: Did you like it, Eric?

Eric: Yeah, I saw it. [laughs]

Andrew: You like it?

Mikey: See, the thing is I want to see it but…

Eric: Yeah, it was good.

Mikey: Yeah?

Eric: It was – yeah, it was good.

Mikey: Yeah?

Andrew: Oh. [laughs] Well said.

Mikey: That’s good.

[Eric laughs]


News: Emma Watson Wanted for Lead Role in Kristy


Andrew: Well, speaking of that, there’s a related story – well, not really related but I hear somebody else is going to be in a horror film too, huh, Micah?

Micah: [emphasis on “I”] I am? Really?

[Mikey laughs]

Andrew: No.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Emma Watson.

Mikey: Really?

Eric: Goat Night. [laughs]

Micah: [laughs] Goat Night? Is that what you said?

Andrew: [laughs] The Goat in Black.

Micah: According to Bloody Disgusting – I’ve never heard of them before.

Andrew: They’re a horror site.

Micah: Oh. Well, that makes sense.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: It was the first time I had heard…

Micah: They’re reporting that Emma Watson may be up for a lead role in an upcoming horror film entitled [pauses] Kristy. Sorry, I couldn’t find the title.

Andrew: Kristy. Just Kristy.

Micah: So it’s a slasher film.

Andrew: And what’s interesting about it is that – yeah, and it takes place on a school campus.

“It follows a college coed who stays in her dorm during Thanksgiving and is terrorized by four masked assailants…”

Eric: Over Thanksgiving?

Andrew: [continues]

“…on the empty campus – the killers are up against far more than they bargained for.”

Micah: That means boobies.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: Well, I just think…

Eric: Whoa.

Andrew: The reason I kind of think it would be a good role for Emma Watson is because she is in school right now, so it’s kind of like this interesting little connection. And when she’s doing all the press interviews, she can be like, [poorly imitating Emma Watson] “Well, I’m in school right now, so I thought this was a great role for me. I could really get behind it and really get into the scene.”

Mikey: [laughs] Is that your Emma Watson voice, Andrew?

Micah: Are you her spokesperson?

Andrew: No, but – yeah. Well, I just figured that’s what she’ll say. [poorly imitating Emma Watson] “I went to Brown and I’m at Oxford now, so…”

Mikey: Not your Emma Watson voice?

Eric: I don’t know that this is – this film is in good taste or that it’s – well, I mean, it’s a horror film, so – just contemporary horror films, I’m over it. If it’s compared to – what? The Strangers but on a college campus. Like, that’s a messed-up movie and it’s…

Micah: That’s the thing, though. Compare it to what you just saw, though. Compare it to The Woman in Black which is a real horror film versus just cutting people up and – I don’t think they should call it horror, I think they should call it…

Eric: Slasher.

Micah: Slasher, yeah exactly.

Andrew: The Woman in Black got a 63% on Rotten Tomatoes, by the way, so it’s a fresh movie by Rotten Tomatoes’ scoring system. But obviously…

Micah: I wonder how the woman feels about that? Maybe we could get her on the show.

Andrew: Who?

Micah: I wonder how the woman in black feels about this.

Andrew: Oh. [laughs]

Eric: Oh, you don’t want her on the show, Micah.

[Micah and Mikey laugh]

Eric: You really, really, really don’t.

Micah: I’m afraid to turn around right now.

[Mikey laughs]

Andrew: There’s other Emma Watson casting news too.

Eric: As long as you don’t have any kids, it’s good. As long as you don’t have any kids, things are safe.


News: Emma Watson and David Yates to Work on Your Voice in My Head


Micah: Well, apparently she is reuniting with director David Yates on a project called Your Voice in My Head.

Andrew: And this is the role that David Yates said a few – or maybe a couple of months ago at this point, that…

Eric: He has something.

Andrew:[poorly imitating David Yates] “Oh, I have this great role for Emma. It’d be perfect for her. I really want to work with her again. Blah blah blah.” [back to normal voice] So this looks like the role. That will be nice for them, to work together.

Micah: I’m sure David is very happy with your impersonation of him.

[Mikey laughs]

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: Apologize now.

Andrew: No.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: No.

Micah: Treating former guests on our show. Such disrespect.

Andrew: All right…

Mikey: I think that’s the last of the news.

Andrew: Yeah, that is it for the news. That is it for the news! Okay. Thanks, Micah. Great job as usual.

Micah: No problem.

MuggleCast 249 Transcript (continued)


Favorites: Person to Play in Harry Potter Film


Andrew: You’re a news superstar. So in light of this news that we just mentioned earlier, Dan Radcliffe saying who he would like to play in a Potter film, another Potter film – or a remake I think was the exact question he got, I was wondering – and this leads into our Favorites segment – who you guys would all like to play in a Harry Potter film. I don’t think we’ve ever really asked this question before. We’ve always – we’ve asked questions like, “What’s our favorite character in a Harry Potter film or in a Harry Potter book?” but who would you actually want to play?

Mikey: Oh, I know this.

Andrew: Who, Mikey? Go ahead.

Mikey: Mad-Eye Moody.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Ehhh.

Andrew: You would fit into that role. I was going to guess that or Hagrid.

Mikey: See, the thing is I would love to be Hagrid but I feel like Ben kind of has always had that, and…

[Eric and Mikey laugh]

Mikey: But I think it would be fun to be Hagrid because he’s such a lovable character, but I think Mad-Eye Moody would be kind of fun because one, you can play the villain for like one movie and then you can – because you know, it’s Mad-Eye Moody. Not really. And then you get to be the good guy the next movie. So I think it would be fun. Or Shacklebolt.

Andrew: I think I would like to play Severus Snape because – now, I would never be able to be Alan Rickman or be as good as Alan Rickman, but it seems like such a fun role to play, to be the bad but secretly good guy. And not too much work for filming, either. He’s not a lead, so that would be pretty easy. So yeah, I would take the role of Snape if I had such an opportunity.

Mikey: [laughs] Micah?

Andrew: Micah and Eric?

Micah: I’d go with Lupin.

Andrew: Hmm. Why Lupin?

Micah: I just – I mean, I’ve always liked the character in the books. I thought there was a great role in Prisoner of Azkaban. He’s kind of really the key to Harry’s past, the first real insight he gets into Harry’s past, and he’s the one who really instills in him Defense Against the Dark Arts and sort of begins him on that path. I don’t know, that’s just my reasoning. I guess Aberforth would be the ideal choice, right? [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Considering past episodes of the show. But…

Mikey: Wow.

Micah: No, I’d definitely go with Lupin.

Eric: I was going to say Sirius, but I think I’m going to go with instead young Tom Riddle, like last couple of years of Hogwarts into first couple of years post Hogwarts, the transition into Lord Voldemort, that sort of thing because it’s a very dark role but it’s also very – I don’t know, it just seems like it would be interesting. I think if they remade the films, one of the reasons for them to remake the films, is to spend a lot more time on the backstory and they could really make completely different movies if they focused on just different things than the first films did. So I think there would be more memories about Hepzibah Smith, about Merope Gaunt falling in love with Tom Riddle, and all that stuff. So I would vouch for that role.

Andrew: By the way, my second choice: Professor Trelawney.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Why don’t you play both? You could give the prophecy and then…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: …hear the prophecy at the door and run to Dumbledore. That would be cool.


Main Discussion: Harry Potter At the Academy Awards


Andrew: Okay, so our main discussion today, as we mentioned a little bit earlier, is the Oscars. This is our last episode before the Academy Awards which are…

Micah: We’ll all be there, right?

Andrew: …February 26th. What?

Micah: Aren’t we up for an award?

Andrew: MuggleCast?

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Ummm, yeah.

Eric: Best Commentary Track. [laughs]

Andrew: They’re going to be on, what? ABC, I think, hosted by Billy Crystal. And we discussed the Potter nominations a few weeks ago. We had – they were announced January 24th which was basically a month before the awards themselves, and Potter got four technical nominations and I’ll refresh your memory in case you forgot. They were – Deathly Hallows – Part 2 was nominated for Best Art Direction, Best Visual Effects, Best Makeup – oh no, three.

Mikey: Three.

Andrew: Not four. Okay, yeah. [laughs]

Mikey: That’s why I’m like, “Wait, where’s the fourth one? Maybe I missed it.” [laughs]

Andrew: And Best Picture!

Mikey: Yay! Awww.

Andrew: Not Best Picture.

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: So we’re not just going to talk about those three because we’ve talked about that before, but we have a few questions and the discussion is based on this e-mail from a reader, Hunter, 19, of Rock Spring, Georgia, and the subject line is “Why Deathly Hallows – Part 2 was ignored by the Oscars.” He wrote:

“Hi MuggleCasters, with the release of this year’s Oscar nominations I’m sure you all will be discussing how and why ‘Harry Potter’ was effectively ignored. As something of a film buff, I’ve so far been quite dissatisfied with the range of opinions that I’ve encouraged on MuggleNet in regards to this subject.”

Micah: I think he meant “encountered.”

Mikey: “Encountered.” [laughs]

Andrew: “Encountered.” What did I say?

Mikey: “Encouraged.”

Micah: “Encouraged.”

Andrew: Oh. I can’t read today, apparently. I’ve screwed up three times already.

“Many fans seem to feel that ‘Harry Potter’ was robbed of recognition that it rightfully deserved. Personally I believe that a realistic approach is the best way to get to the bottom of this and that the aforementioned fans simply aren’t being honest with themselves.

I’d argue that ‘Deathly Hallows – Part 2’ never really stood a chance to be nominated in any of the Oscar categories that fans were hoping it would be. It’s unfair for people to keep comparing these films to ‘Lord of the Rings’ and saying, ‘But, but ‘Return of the King’ won Best Picture!” because those films are the very definition of high fantasy and epic filmmaking. Hollywood had tried for decades to make ‘Lord of the Rings’ and many felt that it flat out couldn’t be done. Don’t get me wrong, I love the ‘Harry Potter’ films as much as the next guy, but there’s no denying that the ‘Potter’ film series as a whole isn’t as cohesive and meticulously executed as that of ‘Lord of the Rings’. I believe I’ve gotten slightly off topic.”

Eric: So do I.

Andrew: [continues]

“But still, all of these things are signs of quality that greatly effect a film’s Oscar potential. For instance, one must ask themselves questions like: ‘Was ‘Deathly Hallows – Part 2′ really the best film of the year? Really?’ or, ‘Just how long was Alan Rickman actually in the movie? Barring previous performances of Snape, was his presence in ‘Hallows: Part 2′ enough to leave an impact equivalent to that of, say, Heath Ledger’s 2008 Oscar for Best Supporting Actor as Joker? How about to filmgoers who hadn’t read the books?’ Keeping that in mind, one might ask: ‘Does this movie make any goddamn sense to somebody who’s never picked up a ‘Potter’ book?!’

In short, yes, the 96% fresh rating that ‘Deathly Hallows – Part 2’ carries on Rotten Tomatoes does signify that critics found it to be a very good film, wonderful summer popcorn fare, and a fitting end to an always-above-average series. But it is not, and nor has ‘Harry Potter’ ever been, Oscar bait. To many of the die-hard fans like us though, ‘Harry Potter’ has been our childhood. The magic of these films and the world they brought to life is far greater than anything that an Oscar can possibly validate. And that is enough. :)”

[Mikey laughs]

Micah: Before we get into this – I mean, that’s exactly what David Heyman said after the “snubs,” was that the fan reaction was enough validation for him because that shows that the films were appreciated by the people that they care the most about, as nice as it would be of course to get an Oscar in some category.

Mikey: Yeah. As much as I would love to say, “Oh no, Harry Potter really deserved it and this is X, Y, and Z why,” when you look at the nominations this year and when you look at the nominations of Harry Potter in the past – I have the Academy’s website pulled up with all the nominations Harry Potter has received over all the films. The only one they didn’t get a nomination in – let me just make sure I’m counting that right – is Chamber of Secrets – three, four five – and Order of the Phoenix. So there’s two films they didn’t get any nomination on. But if you look at the history of what films beat them out on – they were in Visual Effects one, two, three times including this year, and honestly, as much as I love the visual effects in Harry Potter Part 2, I don’t think it’s going to win this year, mainly because the films they’re up against this year – even in Art Direction where I think it has a phenomenal art direction, but every year that they’ve been up they’ve lost against films that – honestly, Harry Potter since the first film, the art direction has been kind of set by that film, so it’s not like a groundbreaking thing. In Visual Effects this year, they’re against Hugo, Planet of the Apes – like, have any of you guys seen that? With…

Eric: Yeah.

Mikey: Yeah. You know who I’m talking about? It’s just – oh my gosh. Malfoy. [laughs] What’s his name? Tom.

Andrew: Tom Felton.

Mikey: Tom Felton! Geez. It’s like stopping me. And even Transformers: Dark of the Moon, all those films visually, for Visual Effects – yes, Harry Potter has some great things this year, but nothing groundbreaking. I would say probably Goblet of Fire had more groundbreaking effects, just the reveal of Voldemort and no nose. That was huge visual effects-wise. But it’s all been done. [laughs]

Andrew: Well, I know this doesn’t apply to one film, but you can also argue that the Harry Potter films have been pretty groundbreaking on a whole, in that the success of them, how long the entire – I mean, the entire cast has stuck around with the entire thing. For that reason alone, I find it very groundbreaking.

Mikey: I’m not saying that they don’t deserve some type of special achievement or something.

Andrew: Mhm.

Mikey: Because it is a phenomenal series, much more so than many other film series out there.

Eric: Well, how – I guess I have to ask, Mikey, too – and I wasn’t going to think about talking about this, but the year that Lord of the Rings swept and had – was it eleven Academy Awards? I mean, those are the Oscars and Return of the King got them all that year.

Mikey: Well, here’s the thing, is – I actually pulled up Return of the King and it’s – let me find it real quick. But just to see what it was against…

Eric: Yeah.

Mikey: …and what it earned…

Eric: That’s what I’m asking, is…

Mikey: All right, so – actually no, that’s not true. Return of the King won one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven. Eleven. You’re right. Andrew, cut out my counting, okay? But – [laughs] all right, so Best Picture…

Eric: Why? [laughs] Your counting sounded fine. It was accurate.

Mikey: It was.

[Eric and Mikey laugh]

Mikey: I just wanted to make sure. All right, so Best Picture – and I actually saw every single film in Best Picture in 2003 when Return of the King won – it was Return of the King, Lost in Translation – don’t get me wrong, I love Lost in Translation. It’s sitting – actually, I see it on the shelf. It’s this silver box right over there.

Eric: That’s Sofia Coppola, right?

Mikey: Yeah. So – yeah, exactly. Master and Commander, that was interesting.

[Eric laughs]

Mikey: I wasn’t a huge fan of it. I went to see it with my dad. Mystic River. I like Clint Eastwood but it wasn’t – I personally thought as a picture as a whole, the epicness that was Return of the King totally bet out Mystic River. And Seabiscuit. I really enjoyed Seabiscuit. I live in Kentucky now. So it’s one of those things where yes, I think it was great that it was nominated, but personally out of that series of films, Lord of the Rings: Return of the King was a much more epic, well-rounded Best Picture film. Does that – compare it. What do you guys think about that? Lord of the Rings versus what Harry Potter would be up to against this year. And really take Deathly Hallows – personally I feel Deathly Hallows – Part 2 – I never was on the show to kind of talk about it. I enjoyed it, I loved it, it was a great ending to the series, but it kind of felt like the third Pirates of the Caribbean where it was all action and kind of just – it was just the climax of the series. If Part 1 and 2 were one film, the epicness of that long film with all that stuff in it, I think it would have been beter. But the fact that they broke it up into two pieces, taking each individual piece…

Eric: You mean if it were one five-hour film?

Mikey: Yeah. Or even…

Andrew: That’s an interesting take. But I mean, to answer your question about comparing it to the other films that are nominated this year, I haven’t seen enough of these to give you a solid answer, but I think what you’re saying about it being the climax lends to the fact that it does deserve a Best Picture because a Best Picture – story is obviously so important and for this film to wrap up this story, this seven-part story – eight-part story.

Mikey: But you’re looking at an eight-part story. No, each picture for Best Picture has to be taken as an individual film.

Andrew: No, I know. That’s what I’m saying. But I’m saying that Deathly Hallows – Part 2 is wrapping up this entire story.

Mikey: Mhm.

Andrew: And you do understand everything going into this film and coming out of it, at least I think.

Eric: I think our reader here…

Andrew: And I think…

Eric: …would disagree, Hunter.

Andrew: Yeah, but then look at the reviews of the film. I mean, why did it get such good reviews?

Mikey: Because…

Andrew: Just because there was a lot of action?

Mikey: No, because it’s Harry Potter!

Andrew: I mean, this isn’t…

Mikey: It was a phenomenal film.

Andrew: But it hasn’t been – it hasn’t gotten this kind of review before.

Mikey: [sighs] It’s…

Andrew: For a Potter film.

Mikey: I’ll tell you this – I love Harry Potter. I don’t want anyone to say, “Oh, Mikey doesn’t like it.” I really do.

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: I feel like I’m just going to get bashed for…

Andrew: No, we believe you.

Mikey: I feel like…

Andrew: We all know.

Eric: Mikey, he likes it.

Mikey: I do! I do like it! I got Fawkes tattooed on my leg. I’m a huge Harry Potter fan.

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: Yes. But it’s one of those things where as a picture in whole – Best Picture? Honestly, I think The Help was probably one of my favorite films this year, even more so than Harry Potter because it’s just a really heartfelt, touching story and the visuals were beautiful in it. Best Picture has a lot of things. It’s not just story.

Eric: Okay, so let’s – okay. So let’s put Best Picture aside for a second.

Mikey: Okay. All right. Let’s talk…

Eric: And let’s talk about Best Supporting Actor for Severus Snape.

[Mikey sighs]

Eric: And Hunter – in his e-mail, Hunter writes: “Was Snape – barring the previous performances of Snape, was his presence in Hallows: Part 2 enough to leave an impact equivalent of Heath Ledger’s award-winning Joker?” So…

Andrew: That’s a good point.

Eric: That was what Hunter said and I actually wanted to bring up – one of the readers sent – one of the readers to MuggleNet sent in a long explanation for – following the Oscars snub, where he actually detailed – his name is Stuart, and he wrote in and he said that actually the “For Your Consideration” campaign that Warner Bros. launched promoted eight candidates for Best Supporting Actor that they wanted the Academy to take a look at for that role. So it was – they equally promoted – Warner Bros. apparently equally promoted Robbie Coltrane, Ralph Fiennes, Michael Gambon, John Hurt, Matthew Lewis, Gary Oldman, David Thewlis, and Alan Rickman. So I don’t know exactly how this works, but essentially it means that – they didn’t get fully behind Alan Rickman for Supporting Actor. They just threw this whole list of their best British actors at the Academy to review and then it was the Academy’s job to kind of review, “Okay, does this actor qualify? This actor qualify?” for the Best Supporting Actor not to achieve the nomination. Now, I didn’t know that. I thought this was great, some great insight. But it means that basically Warner Bros. is at least partially responsible for either confusing the Academy or just trying too hard and not really acting in its own best interests. Because if you’re talking about – some of those actors, Robbie Coltrane, even Michael Gambon, in the film for thirty seconds, whereas Snape actually has a character arc in the film. And so Alan Rickman’s performance should have been the focus there by Warner Bros. to get that nomination.

Micah: Yeah, I agree with that.

Mikey: No, I agree.

Micah: I was going to bring up what Stuart said, too, because it’s interesting that the attention was not focused solely on one individual. Had it been focused on Alan Rickman, maybe there is a better chance that he would have been nominated in that field. But…

Mikey: I read somewhere recently and I can’t find the article, it was nothing related to Harry Potter or anything, it was just how the Oscars are actually nominated, and how there’s a laundry list of people and how they get it down to the actual nominations and what the rules are. I’m trying to find the article on it, but basically it’s – I’m sure Snape was a character and Alan Rickman was on that list, just like Warner Bros. pushed him, but what happened was there’s just not enough push behind that one character. And when you have Warner Bros. pushing for everybody, it’s like they split their vote, kind of like the – what was it? The Teen Choice Awards when a bunch of actors were up and…

Andrew: Yeah, the trio – yeah, I was going to bring that up.

Mikey: …all the Harry Potter actors were up for it.

Andrew: Mhm.

Mikey: And all four of them lost. Why? It’s because they split the vote between…

Andrew: Right.

Mikey: …who’s your favorite Harry Potter actor?

[Andrew and Mikey laugh]

Mikey: Well, guess what? The person who was not a Harry Potter actor won! Why? Because all her fans voted for her. So it’s one of those things where it’s as much politics for some of this stuff as it is when you look at it. But for the most part – no system is ever perfect, and yes, Best Supporting Actor, Snape’s story arc in the book was phenomenal and in the movie, it came out really, really well. But it wasn’t – I don’t feel it was enough to be a Best Supporting – because he didn’t have enough screen time to be that character. And I think it showed with Warner Bros. pushing so many characters or so many actors as Supporting Actors…

Micah: And it’s almost like they were grasping at straws.

Mikey: Yeah, they were grasping because – look at it. Why would you do Michael Gambon as Supporting Actor in this film?

Eric: Yeah.

Mikey: Why?

Eric: No, it doesn’t make any sense.

Mikey: It doesn’t make sense.

Micah: He’s got one scene. Yeah, exactly.

Mikey: But that…

Eric: It doesn’t make any sense. Yeah, I think they shot themselves in the foot a little bit with that.

Micah: Or two scenes.

Mikey: Yeah, and it’s not – it’s just…

Andrew: Could it be that they – it’s another thing to consider that these people who are nominating actors have to pick only one. So you have to consider, are all these people who are in the industry – do they look at Harry Potter and say, “That is my favorite film so I have to nominate this year Harry Potter in these various categories.” I mean, that could have hurt it, too, because if the nominations work where the voters only get to select one in each category – I mean, they have to pick Potter as number one? That’s very difficult to do.

Micah: Well – but the thing is it was the most popular film of 2011, it was the most successful film of 2011. Is it that hard to say that it should have been nominated? I mean, this goes to my question, are the people who are in charge of the nomination process out of touch with the public? Because this is the highest grossing film franchise of all time. Clearly, the people who are going to see the films and the people who are nominating the films have a very vast difference of opinion on what’s a good film.

Eric: Well, it’s like Avatar was nominated for Best Picture, right? Last year, wasn’t it? And it lost to The Hurt Locker. Was this last year or the year before?

Mikey: It was nominated – let me find it real quick.

Eric: Yeah. But…

Micah: I think it was two years ago, but I could be wrong.

Eric: The same thing is that Avatar was the highest grossing film – or grossed millions and trillions of dollars, this huge successful film, and it got nominated for Best Picture. The story was not original. The story was very bland.

Mikey: Yeah.

Eric: The effects were great.

Mikey: Now…

Eric: The effects were great.

Mikey: Now, on Avatar – again, they look at a lot of things for Best Picture. Even – and again, you got to remember, it’s not just story is what they’re doing. They look at everything. And Avatar more so than this Harry Potter did have some amazing, groundbreaking things in it.

Eric: I do agree with you there.

Mikey: Mainly the 3D. And a perfect example – if everyone wants to go back to Lord of the Rings or even Avatar in the groundbreaking-ness, look at the new Hobbit stuff that’s coming out. I can tell you the technology that’s going behind it – Peter Jackson bought a ridiculous amount of Red Digital Cinema Cameras and it’s so – he’s shooting at a faster frame rate than what Hollywood does now, he’s shooting in pure 3D which a lot of the films that are in 3D are just post-conversion. Like, he is doing something in Hobbit that has not been done before. Avatar is the closest thing to it, but he’s going so far beyond what Avatar did. Like, I can tell you, Hobbit is going to win Visual Effects award for the Oscars when it comes out.

Eric: Well – so that’s the thing, is that Potter did get nominated but all for technical awards.

Mikey: Yeah, and Best Picture…

Eric: But when it comes to things like Best Picture, Best Supporting Actor – when it comes to any of the meat and potatoes of the films…

Andrew: The story. [laughs]

Eric:Harry Potter got snubbed.

[Mikey sighs]

Eric: But why?

Micah: Let’s talk about that for a minute.

Andrew: And – yeah.

Micah: Because…

Andrew: Arguably, it has to do with the story, and I think that – this is another question I want to raise: Are book-to-film adaptations kind of just cursed in this regard?

Mikey: No.

Andrew: I mean, there have been some, but – and I’m talking book-to-film adaptations and also this kind of – these fan bases that come with it.

Mikey: We’ve been talking about Lord of the Rings! Come on!

Andrew: No, but if you look at Harry Potter – I mean, a lot of people say, “Oh, Harry Potter is probably a little too mainstream. The critics tend to ignore it. They just see it as, ‘Oh, people love it just because people love it.'”

Eric: Well, Deathly Hallows too, was the film where everybody came together, even critics, and said that was good.

Mikey: Yeah.

Eric: So there’s that. But the other thing I would argue is that there are actually a ton of – I mean, nothing really is original, like truly, truly original. No movie now that hits theaters isn’t based on a book…

Mikey: Yeah.

Eric: …or another work, and that truth is scary.

Andrew: I mean, that’s…

Eric: Because it’s…

Andrew: I wouldn’t say almost all of them. That’s a little bit of a stretch.

Eric: It’s very difficult – I really would like if you could name some. I mean, it’s…

Andrew: Well, I would just – come to mind, like Pixar films. Like, those are all…

Eric: They only make one of those every couple of years, right?

Andrew: Yeah, I know, but it’s still not…

Eric: Well, Pixar has got the billions of dollars to make it happen, but – in other words – I think that the studios – it’s very hard to get a film green-lit these days, that is original as opposed to based off – like Water for Elephants.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: Based off of a book with a built-in audience attached to it. It just seems like…

Andrew: And people know it can work.

Mikey: Yeah, and…

Eric: Well – and I really liked the Water for Elephants film.

Micah: I just want to say this, though.

Mikey: Mhm?

Micah: You’re talking about taking the most successful book series of our time and turning it into the most successful film franchise of all time, so how do you not award David Heyman who has been there from the beginning as a producer? How do you not award David Barron who has been there from the beginning as a producer? How do you not award Steve Kloves who has done all films except Order of the Phoenix? That’s what bothers me.

Eric: Well, is the BAFTA enough then? That the British…

Micah: Well, maybe.

Eric: …Film Institution saying Lifetime Contribution Film…

Micah: But the fact that they’re not even recognized – I mean, how many times, Mikey, when they were nominated was it for – is there a Best Producer? Aside from Best Director. I don’t know if that’s an actual award. But…

Mikey: They do Special Achievement awards. Here’s the thing, is – I don’t want to get into it because…

Micah: I was going to say, was Steve Kloves ever nominated for an award for his screenplay?

Mikey: Yeah, give me a second. I’ll look it up.

Micah: Sorry, I didn’t mean – I just – I mean, that’s what I look at because those are people who have been there – aside from the actors. If you’re going to say the acting wasn’t great throughout with the exception of Alan Rickman in the final film, okay, we can have that debate. But these guys have been there since the very inception of the film, and it brought it to life over ten years. How do you not acknowledge that?

Mikey: Yeah, and…

Eric: Well, the Oscars are year to year. I mean, that’s the thing about the Oscars. And I think…

Micah: Well then give them an achievement award. I mean, you give them something that recognizes the work that they’ve done.

Mikey: And that’s what I’ve been saying, is as an individual one – right now, I have like forty tabs open with everything so I don’t want to misquote any facts or anything. But really, if you look back at what Harry Potter has had nomination-wise – and again, you have to look at it as an individual film – when you look at it, they’ve gone up against films that were really, at their time – actually, I felt a little bit better. A perfect example is for cinematography in 2009, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. You know what it lost to? Avatar. Like, how can it compare to that?

[Micah laughs]

Mikey: Like, seriously, look at what James Cameron did with that film.

Eric: Yeah. And it was a lot more colorful that the sixth Harry Potter movie.

Mikey: Yeah, and that’s just one example. When you look at Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, which is arguably one of my favorite Potter films still. I thought it was wonderfully shot, it was big and epic, it was the Triwizard Tournament. All these great things. It lost to Memoirs of a Geisha, again which was – that’s in art direction. That was very specific things. So a lot of times…

Eric: Also based on a book. [laughs]

Mikey: Yeah, I know. When you look at Deathly Hallows – Part 1 for Visual Effects, what did it lose to? Inception. Yes, it was a phenomenal film in the sense of effects, but have you seen Inception? [laughs] The stuff – like, I know you guys have. So it’s one of those things where it’s been put against some really good films. And when you look at what it’s up against this year – like, I really want to bring it back to what it’s up against this year. A perfect example is Makeup, that it’s up against. It’s up against two other films – and I will admit, I haven’t seen it. But honestly, looking at what the films are doing with a little research – it’s up against Albert Nobbs and The Iron Lady. Well, The Iron Lady is – what’s her name? Meryl Streep.

Andrew: Meryl Streep.

Mikey: As Margaret Thatcher. I haven’t got a chance to see it, so I can’t say anything on that part. But Albert Nobbs is Glenn Close playing…

Andrew: A dude!

Mikey: Passing as a dude! And you know who else won an Oscar for that? Mrs. Doubtfire. Mrs. Doubtfire

Andrew: Uh-oh.

Mikey: …when Robin Williams played a woman. Okay? So honestly, for Makeup, is Harry Potter going to beat that? It’s been up against really good films in these categories.

Andrew: Are you saying Glenn Close as a man is more shocking or unbelievable than Warwick Davis as a goblin?

Eric: [gasps] Oh snap!

Mikey: I’m not saying unbelievable.

Eric: Oh snap!

Mikey: I’m saying…

Andrew: Here’s the thing, though. I mean, how could you put down – and I’m not disagreeing with you, Mikey. But I’m saying, how could these people not vote for Harry Potter when you look at the entire film? There’s extreme amounts of great makeup work.

Mikey: No, no, I agree with you. And it’s just one of those things where I think it has – like I said, it’s a lot of politics, too. It’s…

Andrew: And – yeah.

Mikey: And it’s…

Andrew: And I think the question is: Is makeup adding to the story? That’s important as well.

Mikey: Yeah, and I think – and you’ve got to remember – again, I’ve never seen the other films so I can’t say how well it adds to the story or – but again, the whole thing evolves around makeup changing the character. So it’s one of those things where I will say I think Harry Potter has done some phenomenal stuff and I think it should receive some type of special award for being this franchise, by actually making all the films. That’s a huge achievement and I have [laughs] every single one of the movies myself. It’s one of those things where it’s definitely done a lot. But when it comes to Oscars, it’s been up against some really good stuff and it’s hard to say that it got snubbed. It’s just bad luck, you know? It really is.

Andrew: Are the Academy voters – now, I know Mikey’s answer to this, so Micah, I ask you: Are the Academy voters out of touch with the public and what moviegoers are actually going to see?

Micah: Yeah. I mean, I brought this up a little bit before. I think that they are, but I think I also have a slight bias towards the Potter films and I think that they deserve to be recognized in some capacity. But I just don’t understand how – again, we talked about the fact that Potter was the most successful film of 2011. It has been nominated for three Oscars, so okay. I mean, is that just do, though? I mean, is that enough? And knowing that there’s probably not a good chance of them winning any of those three – Mikey just pointed out the facts of what they’re up against. And I don’t know, I just think that – but it’s hard because what would have happened – and let’s say Alan Rickman gets nominated for Best Supporting Actor. Let’s say Deathly Hallows – Part 2 is nominated for Best Picture. Would that have been enough, even if they didn’t win? I mean, it’s almost like you have to take a look at the entire series and that’s why I really feel that an award acknowledging the series as a whole would be more fitting.

Mikey: I agree with you. An award nominating – showing the whole series. Sadly, there’s not an award for Best Series.

Eric: Or Best Eight-Film Saga.

Mikey: You got…

Eric: Because how many – what would be the competition then?

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: Star Wars.

Andrew: James Bond.

Mikey: Star Wars.

Andrew: [laughs] Or Star Wars.

Eric: No, not eight films. I’m saying eight films. Star Wars is only six, and if you count the special editions it’s nine. So the award would have to be – or ten now.

Mikey: Before we got Clone Wars.

Eric: That was not released in theaters, was it?

Mikey: Yes, it was! I went to see it! I dressed up!

Eric: Oh, I forgot about that. Okay. And then…

Mikey: And Episode 1 in 3D, that’s a different film!

Eric: Yes. Have you seen it yet?

Andrew: Mikey, you play…

Mikey: You want to go up against me with Star Wars?

Eric: Have you seen it yet?

Andrew: No, we don’t need to get into this.

[Mikey laughs]

Andrew: Nobody needs to hear this.

Eric: Have you seen Episode 1 in 3D yet, Mikey?

Mikey: I’m actually going on Tuesday. Anyone in…

Eric: Oh, guess what? Guess what? I was there Thursday at midnight. Thank you so much.

Mikey: All right.

Andrew: Sounds like Eric is a bigger fan.

Mikey: You know, Eric? I was out of town on Thursday. I was working, okay?

Eric: Okay, that’s fine. That’s fine.

Mikey: I’m sorry.

Eric: I don’t need to know what you’re doing. I’m sorry.

Andrew: Well, the good news is that Star Wars plays everywhere, Mikey, not just in your town.

Mikey: I know.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Mikey: Actually, no, no. Where I was at in Kentucky on Thursday night, it was not playing.

Andrew: I’m just messing with you.

Mikey: So I was at a small – like I said, I was only on the eastern side of Kentucky, really small area. So, okay.

MuggleCast 249 Transcript (continued)


Main Discussion: Harry Potter At the Academy Awards (continued)


Andrew: Okay. Well, we’re nearing the end of the discussion here. I think one thing we can kind of wrap up on is just final predictions. Will Deathly Hallows – Part 2 get anything at the Oscars in two weeks?

Eric: I think Mikey makes a good point. It’s up against a lot of tough…

Andrew: Great stuff. Mhm.

Eric: Well, I think – I mean, looking again at the BAFTAs, there have been – I think it received most recently Outstanding Contribution to British Cinema, and that was an award that was presented to the producers and was shared among the entire cast. That’s a great thing and a great award, and I don’t know that the Oscars are the right venue for any kind of award like that, as much as we’d love to see it. I mean, I’m a little shocked. I just – at least having some of the Potter cast to be present at the Oscars – I mean, do we know if any of them are even going to be at the Oscars? I mean, not even necessarily even to accept an award but you don’t have to have an award to attend the Oscars, do you? To be nominated for something.

Andrew: I think they invite people, though.

Eric: I feel like…

Andrew: It’s not just sort of like a…

Eric: …seeing the cast as a presenter in the past or in the future would really do well, I think, to alleviate some of the anxiety that I have about this whole thing.

Mikey: Talking about them winning, I think if they’re going to win one of them – I really don’t think they’re going to win Makeup. I don’t think they’re going to win Visual Effects. I do feel that the strongest chance they have is Art Direction, and mainly because this is the first time we’ve seen Hogwarts completely destroyed. That’s a completely different art direction than all the previous films. So…

Eric: [laughs] To the opposite art direction, one might say.

Mikey: Well – but you got to remember, every time it’s up for Art Direction before, it’s like – it was all kind of based on the first film. It couldn’t really do too much. This one they were able to break from it. They were at war, and war itself is really hard to do. So I think compared to what it’s up against…

Micah: Well, wouldn’t you say that that could put them in contention for Visual Effects, too? Because I mean, you look at everything that went on there: the Dementors, the statues coming to life, the giants…

Andrew: The giants.

Mikey: I…

Andrew: Hogwarts on fire.

Mikey: Honestly…

Micah: The dragon. Don’t forget about the dragon.

Eric: Okay, there were giants in…

Andrew: Harry and Voldemort’s fight?

Eric: There were giants in Deathly Hallows – Part 2?

Mikey: I’ll tell you this: Hugo and Planet of the Apes – don’t get me wrong, I think Transformers did an amazing visual effects. I saw it and I’ve looked at ILM’s VFX reel for this, and it’s actually making the huge Twitter rounds because it’s really amazing. But I think Planet of the Apes and Hugo visually kind of outdo Harry Potter, just because Planet of the Apes – bringing Caesar to life – bringing the guy who played Gollum to life…

Eric: Andy Serkis.

Mikey: There it is. I can never remember his name. But bringing him to life and seeing the emotion in the ape, and at the very end where he just says no – that is just like – the visual effects to bring that character to life…

Eric: There you go, Mikey. You spoiled the film for everybody.

Mikey: I’m sorry, it’s the Planet of the Apes. If you’ve never seen it, then – it’s an old series. It’s been around. But the fact that that was in there – it was visually beautiful. Like, I forgot that this was not a real ape the whole time. I forgot. So – and that’s the thing, is visual effects are not about – Avada Kedavra, you see the green light…

Andrew: Right.

Mikey: …and you go, “Yes! That looks cool!” But when you look at it, the best visual effects are the effects that you don’t realize are visual effects. You know what I mean? Because that’s hard to sell. Trying to make something look real – like, I love Star Wars but look at the original – not the original, but Phantom Menace and look at Jar Jar Binks, look at it now. How dated does that character look?

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, all CG has increased tremendously, I know.

Mikey: Yeah, but the point is if you can do visual effects and make it not look CG – like even then, you can tell Jar Jar Binks was not – he was an alien on purpose because they couldn’t do hair texture on him.

Andrew: And I bet you a lot of critics will agree with you on that. [in a funny accent] We should not even realize the special effects are here.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: [continues in a funny accent] Everything should appear real. You should be drawn into the story.

Mikey: Yeah.

Eric: That does make it a little bit more special. I mean, I guess Mikey is right. They gave the ape more emotions than James Franco had in that whole film.

Mikey: Yeah.

Eric: So…

[Micah laughs]

Mikey: And that’s my point, is the Visual Effects category for Harry Potter – if it wins I will be stoked because I love Harry Potter. But seriously, I don’t think it has a chance. I think the best chance it has is Art Direction, to win something, and I would love for Harry Potter out of all the films to at least win one Oscar, because I think it would almost validate me loving the series as much as I do.

[Eric laughs]

Mikey: I want Harry Potter to win for me! It’s one of those things – not just for the people who made it and how awesome eight movies – we got eight movies out of this series. But the fact that it would validate that yes, it’s an Oscar-worthy franchise.

Micah: But…

Andrew: Micah, do you think any of these have a chance?

Micah: I mean, I defer to Mikey because he probably knows…

[Micah and Mikey laugh]

Micah: …better than I do, but – no, it’s true. I mean, this is – like he lives and breathes this stuff. So – I mean, I would think though if you ever saw the piece – what was it? – “The Goblins of Gringotts” on the Blu-ray – I mean, there was a ton of work that was put into creating these guys – and gals.

Mikey: Oh yeah.

Micah: In the bank. And I guess that’s part of the reason why they were nominated. Let’s leave the epilogue out of the discussion because I don’t think that helps them at all in that category. But…

[Eric laughs]

Mikey: Well, that’s makeup. That’s makeup.

Micah: I don’t know, it’s tough. Like I said, I’ll defer to Mikey, maybe Art Direction is where they have their best shot. I just think though that it’s so – to me, at the end of the day, it looks so poor that either this series – yeah, it has a chance to walk away, let’s say right now, with three. Right? Okay? But the reality is it probably only has a chance of walking away with one, and that this series may have only one or zero Oscars after everything that it’s done.

Andrew: Has happened.

Micah: So that’s my take. I think that they should – if they’re not doing it this year, which they’re probably not, next year they owe it to this series because let’s face it, this series has also contributed significantly to the industry when it has suffered tremendously over the last several years.

Eric: That’s good point.

Micah: In terms of what it’s meant to the box office.

Mikey: And that’s not to say that they won’t give an Academy Honorary Award to the series.

Micah: That’s what I think.

Andrew: Wouldn’t they have announced that by now?

Micah: Well, maybe next year. I mean, I think though…

Andrew: Oh. Yeah.

Micah: …that they should do it the right way like the BAFTAs did it. Bring back all the directors, bring back the producers, bring back the cast or how ever many you can…

Andrew: Yeah, that would be cool.

Micah: …and do the right thing.

Andrew: And I really do think the film industry does have to thank the Harry Potter franchise because it has done so much for it in this time when movies just don’t do well at the box office. There are films like the Harry Potter‘s and the Twilight‘s and soon The Hunger Games and – all these. James Bond, Transformers – there’s all these franchises that just do extraordinarily well. And we should appreciate them, darn it!

Mikey: No, I agree, and I would love for them to get that kind of validation of a Special Achievement award or something because honestly, it is an amazing work to get all eight films done. And it could be this: you brought up the thing about a book translation to a movie. It could be one of those things where the book translation to a movie happened too soon before the full impact of the series was felt. It’s one of those things where we didn’t even know what the end of the series was going to be while the movies started. So it could be something along that line for an achievement, that maybe the book series did translate to a film too soon. I don’t know. But I would like them to get something.

Micah: The one thing I will say is – that I was surprised about was that the score wasn’t nominated at all.

Andrew: Yeah, it should have. It really should have. Eric, do you have any final thoughts on this?

Eric: Go Big Red!

Andrew: You get the last word.

Eric: Go Big Red!

Andrew: What does that mean?

Eric: I don’t know. Go Harry Potter!

Mikey: [laughs] Okay.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay.

Mikey: There it is.

Micah: What? [laughs]


Muggle Mail: Snow in Hogsmeade


Andrew: Well, all will be revealed soon and I’m sure Harry Potter fans will have a lot to say about it no matter what happens. To wrap up the show today, we have a couple of e-mails. This first one is from Sabrina, 22, of Rostock, Germany:

“Hey MuggleCast, I’m Sabrina from Germany and 2011 has been a very special year for me because I started listening to MuggleCast.”

Awww, how nice.

“You guys are awesome and I love listening to your show on my way to university. While watching ‘Deathly Hallows – Part 2’ on Christmas Eve (it was a Christmas present, in Germany we get our presents on Christmas Eve), I was wondering why there was so much snow in the Hogsmeade scene. The trio enters Hogsmeade and there is snow everywhere. The weird thing is it is May, so why would there be snow at that time of the year? And there is no snow in Hogwarts or in any other scene of the movie. I started thinking about the other Hogsmeade scenes in the other movies and realized that there is always snow…”

We talked about this recently, actually.

Eric: On the last episode, somebody wrote in…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …and said that there was an answer, but I don’t think it was answered.

Andrew: Well no, I have two answers, it’s either one or the other: a) Hogsmeade is at a higher physical elevation than Hogwarts…

Eric: Oh, that’s…

Andrew: …so there’s going to be more snow.

Eric: Right.

Andrew: Or b) There is a theme park with Hogsmeade with a lot of snow in it and they want to connect the two, and I’m serious! They want to connect the two, so that when you go to Hogsmeade in the theme park you see the snow just like you did in the film, and vice versa.

Eric: I think…

Mikey: So question – it’s been a while since I read Deathly Hallows and I don’t remember seeing this – were there Dementors in the area in Hogsmeade?

Andrew, Eric and Micah: No.

Andrew: There were Death Eaters.

Eric: Yeah.

Mikey: Okay, so no Dementors. Because Dementors, they make – we saw them in the third film where they go by and things turn to frost.

Andrew: Oh, that’s true.

Mikey: I’m thinking…

Micah: I apologize, actually. I put the wrong e-mail in here. I wanted to put in a response because this was actually – this e-mail was on our last show and people wrote in to respond to this e-mail, basically saying – Andrew, what you pointed out, and I think they quoted JK Rowling or I think it was somebody from the movies, saying that Hogsmeade is at a higher elevation.

Andrew: Yeah, that makes sense.

Micah: And that’s why it always snows there.

Andrew: I mean, they’re in England so there’s a lot of precipitation, too. So if it is – if you’re higher up and it’s going to rain, then it’s going to turn to snow. Simple! And the theme park thing.

Mikey: I like a Dementor flies by and turns the whole thing to snow.

Eric: I like that.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s a good idea.

Eric: That was a great visual effect, wasn’t it?

Mikey: Yeah. It’s like, whee!

Micah: That they didn’t get an Oscar for?

Eric: Not Oscar-worthy, apparently, but…

Micah: [laughs] Yeah.

Eric: …that’s a great…


Muggle Mail: Two-Way Mirror


Andrew: And the second e-mail is from Angela, 22, of Levittown, PA – I have been there quite a lot – on Book Mirror versus Movie Mirror.

“I’m not sure who else to vent to about this so here goes: In the books, the small sliver of mirror that Harry has left was part of his own mirror that Sirius gave him. Sirius had another mirror. They supposedly could communicate through the two mirrors. The rest of Harry’s is smashed in his trunk. Sirius’s mirror should be whole when it’s sold to Aberforth by Mundungus. In the movie, Harry’s small piece of mirror matches with a piece missing from the mirror sold to Aberforth, like a puzzle. That makes no sense!”

Well, the mirror he is looking at – Aberforth’s mirror is the one that’s on the wall that Aberforth always looks through, so – I mean, that’s the movie explanation.

Mikey: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, because remember he never gives him the mirror in the movies. In the book, he gives him the mirror. Sirius gives Harry the mirror.

Mikey: And it also has a big backstory related to Sirius and James Potter. That’s the thing, is they didn’t go into a lot of that backstory in these films, so…

Eric: So the explanation of there being only one mirror…

Mikey: It’s easier to tie-in.

Eric: It works both ways. Yeah, it’s easier to tie-in and also – because there is a line that made it into the films when they’re talking about the Vanishing Cabinet, and Dumbledore asks Harry, “I suspect there are a pair somewhere, Tom.” But it’s not explained, and – so we know that two mirrors that are somehow a pair that you can communicate through them that James and Sirius did when they were kids, that kind of thing. But I guess visually – they were able to explain it visually by Harry matching up his piece of the mirror with the rest of the mirror. You got the sense that that made them magical, that – because it was from the same mirror they could use to communicate. That was just like really well communicated, I think, just like visually. They didn’t need to spend any time explaining it, but it kind of made sense, “Oh, that’s why Harry could see Aberforth, it was because Aberforth is looking into the mirror and that was still part of the mirror.”

Mikey: Now, how did Harry get that sliver of mirror? Do we know?

Eric: He just pulls it out.

Mikey: Yeah.

Eric: But…

Mikey: So my point, going back to the Oscar thing, is that’s what Hunter says. He’s like, “Do the movies even make sense for us that haven’t read the books?” There’s lots of little things like that that is there because of how – it was in the book…

Micah: Yeah.

Mikey: …but they’d have to try and tell a story with it.

Micah: Exactly. I was going to say, let’s not forget how many episodes that we sit here and shred the movies apart because of things they left out.

Eric: Yeah.

Mikey: I like the movies, though. [laughs]

Eric: But I think their goal in leaving things out was to make each movie stand on its own, though. I mean, do you disagree?

Mikey: No, I agree.

Eric: Because they – but then that’s obviously flawed because I’m thinking, “Oh, these films didn’t really make sense to anybody who hadn’t read the books.” So if that’s the feeling then really, they failed on both accounts, right? I mean, if these films are being penalized because they don’t make sense if you haven’t read the books, then they’re not stand-alones and they’re being penalized because they’re only one part of the eight films. Is that why Harry Potter hasn’t won an Oscar so far, is because oh, this is only the fourth movie, there’s going to be four more, we can’t give it an Oscar, or what?

Mikey: No.

Eric: What exactly is the case here?

Mikey: No, I think it’s – I’ll tell you this: I watched all the Harry Potter films leading up to the release of Deathly Hallows – Part 2 with – two? No, three people who had never seen any of the films and who had never read the books and had no intention or how much I tried, they were not going to read it. But there were willing to watch all the films with me before the movie came out. I literally had to pause halfway through – starting at Prisoner of Azkaban. Only the first two were able to follow along on their own, but starting from Prisoner of Azkaban I had to pause and explain certain aspects that were not in the movie so they can follow along and understand it. And this is – and that’s just the way these movies were made, because…

Andrew: Yeah, that’s what we’ve always had to deal with, unfortunately.

Mikey: Yeah. But again, when you look at Return of the King that won, it translated really well from the book to the movie. But again, it also had three-and-a-half hours.

Eric: I still can’t – I still get Gondor and Rohan mixed up. I’m sorry. I don’t know who that – and what’s with the dead army? I don’t get it. It’s – and who is he the king of? Return of the king? What…

Andrew: You know what’s something that’s not dead, though? The MuggleCast website.

Eric: Aye-oh!

Mikey: Oh!


Show Close


Andrew: Over at MuggleCast.com, you can get all the information you need about the show. You can also write in to ask Eric and Micah – Mikey any burning questions you have about Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, or other films [laughs] that don’t connect to this podcast.

Mikey: I didn’t even talk about Star Wars on this episode, so stop…

Andrew: No, you did.

Mikey: No, I…

Andrew: Just enough.

Mikey: Awww, all right.

Andrew: It was just right. [laughs] You can also – I think we’re just about caught up on transcripts. Yeah, we are caught up on transcripts. So…

Micah: Yeah, we’re about there. There’s a couple missing here and there, but everybody…

Andrew: The most recent ones are all there.

Micah: Yeah, all the most recent episodes are there. Tracey has done a great job leading the transcript team and they do a great job.

Andrew: Yeah. Thank you.

Micah: There’s nothing else to say. I mean, I know it’s not easy work. That’s how I started out. So we tip our hat to them because we really appreciate it. And all the listeners who can’t download the show or are hearing impaired or English is not their first language and they can translate it, they really appreciate the transcripts. So great job.

Andrew: Mhm. Also, a couple of plugs: all the MuggleCast outlets. We have the iTunes page where you can subscribe and review us, we have our Twitter which is Twitter.com/MuggleCast, we have Facebook which is Facebook.com/MuggleCast, our fan Tumblr is MuggleCast.Tumblr.com. And also, a plug for another podcast none of us are on but I realized I don’t think I’ve really plugged this yet. It’s called Glee Chat and it’s a podcast over on Hypable. And I know some of you guys, quite a few of you, are Glee fans.

Mikey: I am.

Andrew: Are you, Mikey?

Mikey: Yeah, yeah.

[Eric laughs]

Mikey: Dude, I watch every…

Andrew: What aren’t you a fan of?

Mikey: I know, that’s true.

[Andrew and Mikey laugh]

Mikey: That’s true. I’m a big fanboy for everything now.

Andrew: So just head over to the iTunes store and do a search for “Glee Chat.” They do a great job with that show and they record – they do an episode just like the Game of Thrones show that we talked about on the last episode. After each new episode of Glee, they record a new episode of the podcast.

Micah: I was going to say, they record it – after every podcast for Glee, they record one for Game of Thrones. But…

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: No.

Micah: It’d be an interesting dynamic there.

Eric: Those two series are so alike they can actually record them back to back.

Andrew and Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: And I actually am going to be on a Glee Chat episode coming up because I was recently a convert to Glee, so – I have to admit, I was brought over to the dark – I mean bright side.

Mikey: To the Glee side.

Andrew: The Glee side.

Mikey: Yeah.

Micah: [laughs] And speaking of Game of Thrones, we’re recording our first show very soon. So…

Andrew and Eric: Ooh.

Micah: …keep an eye out. We’ll promote it through the MuggleCast website, Twitter…

Andrew: I have a good feeling about that one. That’s going to be very good, I think.

Micah: I agree.

Andrew: All the hosts and the content. All that.

Mikey: It’s a good show.

Eric: We need a good theme song, I think. Huh.


Episode 250 Teaser


Micah: So Andrew…

Andrew: All right, guys – what? Oh yes!

Micah: We’re approaching a landmark episode.

Andrew: 250.

Mikey: What?

Andrew: Next month, Episode 250. And we don’t want to get everybody’s hopes up too much just yet. And don’t start thinking – don’t start getting ideas. We don’t want people making guesses and getting their hopes up, and then being let down. But we are trying to get an important person related to the Harry Potter films onto the next episode to mark…

Mikey: Jamie?

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: No.

Mikey: Jamie?

Andrew: Jamie Lawrence!

Mikey: Jamie Lawrence?

Andrew: No.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: To mark the 250th episode – it is a landmark episode, we are working to get somebody on for an interview. It would be a pretty special interview.

Micah: And it’s not somebody who’s been on the show before.

Andrew: No.

Micah: We can say that.

Andrew: And it’s not JK Rowling. [laughs] Let’s just get that out of the way.

Micah: Well, you said “films.”

Andrew: I did say “films.”

Micah: I mean, she’s been important to the films, but…

Andrew: But I want to remind everybody, just in case.

Eric: Plus I have a feeling that pen and paper are her priority at the moment.

Andrew: That’s true.

Mikey: Wait, what?

Andrew: That’s true.

Mikey: I’ve never heard this news before.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: You’ve got to – it’s the most fascinating news ever. She tweeted, Mikey, not once but like eight times.

Mikey: Wow.

Eric: And…

Andrew: So…

Mikey: Wow.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, we are working…

Micah: I stop following her on Twitter, by the way.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Did you?

Mikey: I kind of did, too, a long time ago. [laughs]

Eric: Micah is just like – when she says something that’s not that – “Just let me know. I’ll follow her then.”

Micah: Well – yeah. I mean, usually when she says something, it gets picked up by websites…

Andrew: People will re-tweet it.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: …and newspapers and things like that. So…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: So lots to look forward to and if – maybe we’ll announce it. We’ll announce it beforehand if we do get it confirmed. It’s not a hundred percent confirmed yet, so…

Eric: We’ll probably sort questions, right? From the audience, prior…

Andrew: Yeah, definitely. We’ll definitely do that.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Get questions.

Micah: The person might have…

[Eric laughs]

Micah: …red hair. I don’t know.

Andrew: Oh, you really want to drop that?

Eric: And a hand-me-down robe?

Andrew: Well, I guess that narrows it down to like thirty people. [laughs]

[Show music begins]

Eric: Does he have a hand-me-down robe as well, Micah?

Micah: Possibly.

Mikey: All right, so is it a he now? Is that what you’re saying?

Eric: Oh gosh.

Micah: Maybe.

Andrew: Too many – enough of this.

Mikey: [laughs] Oh God.

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: I’m not going to go anywhere near it. You guys get it. [laughs]

Andrew: All right, guys. Thanks everyone for listening! I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: I’m Eric Scull.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Mikey: And I’m Mikey B.

Andrew: We’ll see you next time for Episode 250! With maybe a red-head. Goodbye! [laughs]

Micah: Bye.

Mikey: Bye.

Eric: I could dye my hair red. That would get us out of the…

[Show music continues]

Transcript #248

MuggleCast 248 Transcript


Show Intro


[“Hedwig’s Theme” plays]

Micah: Because after seven years we’re still going strong, this is MuggleCast Episode 248 for January 22nd, 2012.

[Show music begins]

Andrew: This week’s episode of MuggleCast is brought to you by Audible.com, the Internet’s leading provider of audiobooks, with more than 100,000 downloadable titles across all types of literature, including fiction, non-fiction, and periodicals. For a free audiobook of your choice, go to AudiblePodcast.com/MuggleCast.

[Show music continues]

Andrew: Just a little editor’s note before we get into the show, Eric lost his audio file for about the first fifteen minutes so you’ll notice he’s missing but he comes on about fifteen minutes from now. So if you hear strange edits it’s because we had to take out the blank spots where he was talking but we lost his audio. So just to clear that up. Enjoy the show.

Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 248. It is a new year. This is our seventh year of Harry Potter podcasting. I don’t know if you guys know this but coincidentally there are seven books by JK Rowling, and seven tweets by JK Rowling as well.

Micah: [laughs] Is that how you want to start off 2012, talking about Twitter and JK Rowling in the same sentence?

Andrew: [laughs] I’m sorry. Actually, a correction: There is actually eight.

Micah: Oh.

Andrew: So…

Micah: Good.

Andrew: I thought there were seven. There are seven years of Hogwarts and seven years of MuggleCast. Ahhh, that’s perfect! Seven years of Hogwarts, seven years of MuggleCast.

Micah: So you’re saying this is it.

Andrew: So that means we have to finish – yeah. [laughs] We have to be done. I’m Andrew Sims.

Micah: And I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Andrew: What’s going on in the news this month, Micah? [laughs]

Micah: [laughs] Well, now that everybody has stopped crying since you said that we’re ending the show this year…

Andrew: What? Oh, I see.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.


News: Daniel Radcliffe Hosts Saturday Night Live


Micah: First thing to talk about that Dan Radcliffe obviously has a lot going on right now, The Woman in Black coming out soon, but he hosted Saturday Night Live back on January 14th. And there was only one Harry Potter skit. His opening monologue poked a little bit of fun here and there at Harry Potter but one Potter skit. What did you guys think overall? Did you get a chance to watch Saturday Night Live?

Andrew: Yeah. I liked it. I thought it was a really good show. I personally think Saturday Night Live hasn’t been that great overall the past year or two other than a couple of the stars, but Dan did a great job. They had some good skits for him. I thought the Harry Potter skit was actually pretty funny. I mean, it was slightly easy of a theme to write, like, oh, Harry has been – Harry is desperate to still be at Hogwarts and be living at Hogwarts, and he’s just like a creep now and – that was kind of an easy thing for them to do. But overall it was good. He did a good job on the show.

Micah: I think the only thing that would have made that better is if they had at least one other celebrity from the series show up.

Andrew: Hmm.

Micah: And I thought it was actually going to be when they showed Snape and possibly had Alan Rickman, but…

Andrew: Oh! Yeah, that would have been good.


News: Deathly Hallows – Part 2 Wins 4 People’s Choice Awards


Micah: That would have been good. But I agree with you. Overall I liked it. I thought it was pretty well done. Other news, Deathly Hallows – Part 2 cleaned up at the People’s Choice Awards back on January 11th. It won for Favorite Movie, Favorite Action Movie, Favorite Ensemble Movie Cast, and Favorite Book Adaptation. The series was also nominated in the category of Favorite Movie Actor for Dan Radcliffe which he did not end up coming away with, and [laughs] Favorite Movie Star Under 25. Now, this was a category people seem to take the most issue with when we were announcing it on Twitter, because Dan Radcliffe, Emma Watson, Rupert Grint, and Tom Felton were all nominated in this category and they only had one other person that they were going up against, and that person won. And I think what most people were able to deduce was that they split the vote.

Andrew: Yeah. Even so, I still don’t understand how one of them couldn’t have pulled ahead of this actress who won it. It just still doesn’t seem to make sense to me because Tom Felton was promoting voting for him on his Twitter – it’s just odd. It’s very odd. The thing though is that the People’s Choice Awards aren’t really that epic of an awards thing. It’s just like some lame award show on CBS that they do just to make a quick buck. And Daniel Radcliffe was in New York rehearsing for that. I guess Tom Felton – if any of those four were going to show up, I would have expected him to but not Rupert or Emma.

Micah: Well, just to…

Andrew: It’s not that big of a deal of an award show.

Micah: Yeah. I was just going to say to your point, you look at the categories that they won in and the only one that was announced on the show was Favorite Book Adaptation. So they didn’t even announce – for an award show, Favorite Movie. [laughs] I mean, how do you go through…

Andrew: Yeah, it does seem odd.

Micah: …a whole award show and not announce Favorite Movie? Usually, that’s one of the last things.

Andrew: I think this award show is swayed a little bit because it just seems very odd that CBS shows – this award show was hosted on CBS and yet CBS shows had won particular awards like Best New Comedy and Best New Drama, which just seemed odd to me because they’re both on CBS and it’s like – I don’t know, there’s a conflict of interest here.


News: BAFTA and Oscar Nominations for Deathly Hallows – Part 2


Micah: The BAFTAs. I believe initially the Potter series was long-listed for eleven awards, eleven BAFTAs, but the announcements were made – actually by Dan Radcliffe – earlier this week and Deathly Hallows – Part 2 was nominated in four categories: Production Design, Sound, Special Visual Effects, and Makeup and Hair.

Andrew: Hmm.

Micah: Not necessarily – maybe with the exception of Sound and Special Visual Effects, the categories I would have thought would have made their way through to the end here. Not even Best Movie?

Andrew: The Best Film nominees were The Artist, The Descendants, Drive, The Help, and Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. I can see why those – I mean, all five of those have been quite popular this award season. So maybe Harry Potter was long-listed for Best Film. I can’t particularly remember.

Micah: Yeah, I think…

Andrew: But they’ll take what they can get [laughs] at this point. They need whatever they can grab so if it’s going to be Best Hair and Makeup, okay.

Micah: Yeah…

Andrew: The ones that matter…

Micah: …the Oscars…

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: …which are going to be announced on the morning of January 24th and…

Andrew: 5:00 AM Pacific.

Micah: You’ll be awake, right?

Andrew: I hope you guys are up! I got my alarm set already.

Micah: I’ll be at work, 8:00 AM.

Andrew: It’s pretty exciting actually, I have to say, because – I mean, there’s just been so much anticipation with Warner Bros. pushing Harry Potter so much. So the big question is going to be: Did all that advertising, and all that campaigning and kind of lobbying pay off? And I have to think once the nominees are announced and let’s say Harry Potter did grab a few nominations, I think WB may try to kick off another campaign.

Micah: Yeah, we…

Andrew: And it’s exciting for Harry Potter fans because it’s the last chance, so it’s like it’ll be exciting to see if all this hard work from WB paid off. [laughs]

Micah: We know as of right now that it’s been shortlisted for Visual Effects and Makeup. I don’t know if it’s been short-listed for anything else. Do you guys – off the top of your head, have you heard anything?

Andrew: I think it’s just those two. They’ve been announcing shortlists one by one and they haven’t been announcing all the shortlists, so…

Micah: But then the big ones get announced on the 24th.

Andrew: Yeah, everything will be announced that day. I think the only other shortlist that was announced – there may be one other, but I know earlier last week there was – they announced the shortlist for Best Foreign Film or Foreign Language Film or something like that. Obviously Harry Potter is not in that.

Micah: Right. And just to go back real quick to the BAFTAs, it was nominated – or long-listed, I should say – for Outstanding British Film, it didn’t make the final cut, and also for Supporting Actor for Alan Rickman, that did not make the cut. So that’s interesting to see how that translates over for the Oscars.

Andrew: The awards will be held Sunday, February 26th on ABC in the United States.

Micah: Can I make a prediction though?

Andrew: What?

Micah: I’m going to say that if Alan Rickman is nominated for Best Supporting Actor that’s he’s going to win, because it doesn’t make sense to me to nominate him otherwise. They haven’t nominated any Potter actor or actress in that category at all throughout eight movies – or seven, I should say.

Andrew: Are you kind of saying that he’s kind of like the attractive male or female that enters the bar? Like he’s going to be picked up? He or she.

Micah: I don’t know if that’s how – yeah, sure. Why not?

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Andrew: Well, I don’t see how else you could mean that. I mean, if he’s going to walk into the bar – in this case, for this metaphor’s sake I’m referring to the nominations – he has to win.

Micah: Well, let’s just take a look here for a second. Of the awards that WB is pushing for – the categories, I should say, that they’re pushing for – what do you think is the best chance for them to win?

Andrew: Best Film! No, I’m kidding. I think Best Supporting Actor. I would have to look at the list again, to be honest with you. But I think Best Supporting Actor is a good one.

Micah: And Visual Effects possibly?

Andrew: Oh yeah, definitely. I think there’s something with sound, right? Sound Design or something like that?

Micah: For Desplat?

Andrew: Yeah. Visual Effects – oh, you just said that one. Okay. Well, we’ll have all the answers in – not all the answers, [laughs] we’ll have some answers in a few days. What else is going on in the news?


News: “Should JKR Win a Nobel Prize?” Asks The Huffington Post


Micah: There was an interesting article while we’ve been off enjoying the holidays, about JK Rowling. And it was in The Huffington Post and it asked the question: Should she win a Noble Prize in Literature? What do you guys think?

Andrew: I would say yes. Well, let’s look at who this award gets awarded to. Quote: “The person who shall have produced in the field of literature the most outstanding work in an ideal direction.” I think that’s right. I don’t want to be paraphrasing Keith here, but I mean – well, I will paraphrase Keith. He says, “Certainly, the Harry Potter series has inspired people around the world to read and this does follow the guideline of ‘an ideal direction.'” I think he’s right. I mean, it has inspired millions of people to read when they wouldn’t have been. And not just to read. I mean, everybody reads. But just to really love reading again. So yeah, I could see her doing that. She definitely deserves it.

Micah: The question is: When are these awards – or excuse me. When is the Noble Prize normally awarded?

Andrew: Isn’t that a once-a-year thing?


News: The Woman in Black Premiere and Release Dates


Micah: I would think that she’s probably been nominated at some capacity before this. That’s it really for the news. I mean, I mentioned earlier the piece about The Woman in Black. It’s going to be in theaters February 10th, it premieres actually on the 24th of this month, so I’m sure a lot of people are going to head out to the theaters to go check that movie out. But just another project. It looks pretty creepy, I got to be honest with you. Why is it not being released in October or something like that?

Andrew: Maybe they couldn’t get it out sooner than now and they just figured, well, let’s just do it – I mean, they also got to look at what else is in theaters at the time, so maybe they don’t want to be competing with other films in particular.

Micah: Like Nightmare on Elm Street 55 or…

Andrew: Yeah. Well, maybe…

Micah:Halloween?

Andrew: …there’s a – well, no, but seriously.

Micah: I know.

Andrew: Maybe there’s some serious big horror films coming out around October, they just don’t want to compete with that. So – I mean, it’s good they’re releasing it in the winter though, right? Because it’s kind of like a cold movie.

Micah: Yeah.

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Make the Music Connection


Andrew: So let’s move on now to a segment we haven’t done in a while: Make the Music Connection.

Eric: Yes!

Micah: Oh baby.

Andrew: In case you don’t remember how this is played – it actually started with a segment Jamie came up with called Make the Connection, but now Make the Music Connection is where we play a song and one of the hosts has to connect it to Harry Potter somehow. Now, these songs are…

Micah: It actually makes a lot more sense. I don’t know, Jamie had you…

[Eric laughs]

Micah: …compare Harry Potter to…

Eric: Whatever he…

Micah: …a helicopter flying upside down at midnight…

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: …on Christmas Eve or something like that.

Andrew: Running low on fuel.

Micah: [laughs] Yeah.

Eric: It was a little too arbitrary with Jamie’s imagination.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: He got a little creative.

Andrew: So you can take the themes of these songs and sort of connect them to Harry Potter somehow. And you can also kind of interpret it as, well, where would this song be in one of the movies or in one of the books?

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: So anyway, who wants to go first?

Eric: It’s all you, Micah.

Andrew: Okay, Micah. I know you listen to this song a lot.

Micah: I’ll go first.

Andrew: You’ll like this.

Micah: Hopefully. [laughs]

Andrew: Like I said, we’re doing top forty. There’s a recent song out…

Micah: Oh, we’re doing top forty?

Andrew: …by Rihanna called “We Found Love.” Are you aware of this song?

Micah: [laughs] Oh yes.

Andrew: Okay.

Micah: Top of my iPod.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Okay. Well here, I’ll play a little sample and you have to make the connection.

Micah: All right.

[“We Found Love” by Rihanna (feat. Calvin Harris) plays]

Andrew: All right, so this is “We Found Love” by Rihanna.

Micah: Hmm.

Andrew: Go ahead, make the connection.

Micah: I actually know that song.

Andrew: Oh good. Well yeah, I knew you would. You…

Micah: Yeah.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Who knows? There was some stuff going on in the Chamber of Secrets which is kind of a hopeless place during Deathly Hallows during the battle.

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: Between Ron and Hermione, right?

Eric: For a second there, I…

Andrew: And didn’t Chamber of Secrets – in the film Chamber of Secrets, didn’t Harry and Ginny kiss in the chamber? Or no?

Eric: I don’t think they kissed.

Andrew: Or maybe not.

Eric: She’s still like eleven, she’s still like… [unintelligible]

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Okay, so she’s still kind of young but it’s the start of something.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Okay.

Andrew: When it was very hopeless. It was a hopeless place.

Eric: [laughs] Yeah. For a second there, I thought Micah was going to connect it to two mice in the chamber finding love…

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Eric: …as they’re about to be eaten by the Basilisk, then I was like, “Oh thank God you didn’t do that.”

Micah: That too. We have to respect all creatures.

Andrew: All right, Eric. Now it’s time for your song. Again, another top forty hit.

Eric: Yay!

[“Moves Like Jagger” by Maroon 5 (feat. Christina Aguilera) plays]

Andrew: All right. So this is “Moves Like Jagger” by Maroon 5, featuring Christina Aguilera.

Eric: Awww. Love that song, can I just say? I rock out to it all the time.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: I’m going to make the connection, I think that – we’re talking about to move like Jagger, to move like somebody who is iconic, and there’s lots of meaning and kick some ass, frankly. Dumbledore moves like Jagger, I’m going to get that out there. It’s Albus Dumbledore, he’s broken and scarred, he’s got all this stuff but he can still take on the badest baddie in the Harry Potter-verse. Dumbledore moves like Jagger.

Micah: Do you think he really has moves like Jagger though?

Eric: I think – well, I don’t…

Micah: I mean, I think Jagger twenty years ago.

Eric: Jagger twenty years – yeah, I think…

Micah: Even the third year.

Eric: Maybe in another life?

Micah: You think he could break it on the dance floor?

Eric: Dumbledore? Yeah, absolutely. If not, he could totally stun everybody and make them think that he did.

Andrew: All right, fair enough.

Micah: Good enough.


Favorites: Future Potter Story Jo Could Write


Andrew: Now, let’s move on to Favorites. This is future Potter story that Jo could write, that’s today’s theme. So what story would you want to see her write if she continued in the Potter world? So only one. You can only pick one. It has to be your favorite idea. Does anyone want to go first before we get to Twitter responses? We got a ton of responses on Twitter.

Eric: So favorite imaginary upcoming book?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. So if Jo – the pen and paper thing that she keeps talking about. Let’s say it’s actually Harry Potter.

Eric: Oh my God, I’m so tired of that.

Andrew: What would you…

Micah: Can we talk about that for a minute? We touched on that a little bit earlier but – I get the whole idea of having an official Twitter account because there are people out there that are going to pretend to be you. But really, what’s the point?

Eric: I’m confused. [unintelligible] …post a news post about you.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Okay, but that’s besides the point.

Micah: All right.

Andrew: Let’s focus on the Favorites segment. Go ahead, Micah. If you would like to see one Potter book be released now, what would you like it to be?

Micah: It could be about any of the characters?

Andrew: Yeah, it may be a group of characters or maybe something like Fantastic Beasts.

Micah: Which adds to the story. I’d like to see something about the Marauders, more in-depth – what their time at school was like. We got a little bit of a taste from that – didn’t she release something a couple of years ago which was kind of a scene…

Andrew: Beedle the Bard?

Micah: …with James and…

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: No, it was for charity.

Andrew: The prologue. Or no, the prequel.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, yeah. It was basically – it was very short, and it was James and Sirius on Sirius’s motorbike outrunning Muggle police.

Micah: The cops. Yeah.

Eric: [laughs] Yeah. That was cool.

Micah: Yeah, I would like to see more stuff like that because my favorite book was Prisoner of Azkaban, and I really like the whole backstory that you got on the Marauders and Harry’s parents and things like that. So I’d like to see more from that time, learning more about those characters.

Eric: Yeah, I’m going to be quite annoying by the time this Favorites segment is done. I’m just going to echo everything you said.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: It think the Marauders are where it’s at. If they do – because any story after Harry’s journey – she does this nineteen years later. Nothing significant really happens in those nineteen years. Voldemort is the baddie of this Harry Potter series and with him gone, there’s really nothing to write about. It wouldn’t be interesting whereas if you’re writing about the Marauders, you’re leading up to something. You’re leading to their eventual demise and redemption by the hand of their kids.

Andrew: But let’s say that…

Eric: Which is good. Yeah.

Andrew: Let’s say that Jo did decide to write a post Book 7. Could she create another enemy that is as epic as Lord Voldemort’s story? I’ve wondered that recently and I don’t think so, actually. [laughs] But that is the type of story I would like to see.

Eric: Okay, so…

Andrew: I would like to see another – maybe not another seven-book Harry Potter series but multi-book Harry Potter series with an archenemy that has to be defeated, and that would be a challenge for Jo because we really aren’t aware of any others.

Eric: Right.

Andrew: Unless she started writing about existing people who we read about, maybe Death Eaters or something and one of them ended up going bad again. Something like that.

Eric: It’s very interesting. I mean, you could make the argument that first it was Grindelwald, right?

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Before it was Voldemort, there was Grindelwald so there is this history of dark wizards that exist that she could just do another one.

Andrew: And let’s face it, there has to be. If we’re speaking realistically, what, is there never going to be evil again in the wizarding world? No, of course not. There has to be more evil. And Jo could write about that.

Micah: Yeah, it would be interesting to see how it gets created, knowing that Voldemort existed and he created these Horcruxes, and that was his means of sort of preserving life and essentially going undefeated for the time that he did. What is the new route that she’s going to take us down in terms of – what makes this new person not defeated – not defeat-able I guess, if that’s even a word. But – you know what I mean? Like what’s their dynamic going to be that’s going to make them last throughout all these books without somebody just going up and killing them?

Eric: Maybe there are vampires.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: Or shapeshifting werewolves.

MuggleCast 248 Transcript (continued)


Listener Tweets: Future Potter Story Jo Could Write


Andrew: Like I said, we got a lot of responses on Twitter. eldestsonicwand wrote:

“The wedding of Hermione and Ron, and Harry and Ginny.”

Eric: Huh. Do you think it was a double wedding?

Andrew: [laughs] No.

Eric: Do you think it happened…

Andrew: I don’t think that would be appropriate. maisaguevara wrote:

“The rebuilding.”

That’s all she wrote.

Eric: Hmm.

Andrew: That would be interesting, actually. Thomassholan wrote:

“The encyclopedia and only the encyclopedia. The story is over and any other books telling a story would be done solely for the money.”

See, I disagree with that.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Maybe Jo is not necessarily doing it for the money but hey, maybe she wants to help out bookstores again. What’s wrong with that?

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I mean, look, Barnes & Noble went under and it’s not totally Harry Potter‘s fault.

Eric: You mean Borders?

Andrew: That’s what I said, right? Did I say Barnes & Noble?

Eric: Yeah, Barnes & Noble.

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, Borders went under.

Eric: Hopefully…

[Micah laughs]

Eric: Yeah, Borders totally gone. Well everyday that the Potter books don’t exist in e-book format, that’s presumably helping book sales, right?

Andrew: Yeah, that’s true. So thank you Pottermore for sucking.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: enfermicevic wrote:

“About founders of Hogwarts.”

Eric: That would be interesting.

Andrew: That seems to be a popular one, I think.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: BarOngles wrote:

“James and Lily at Hogwarts!”

AndrewDeFrank wrote:

“Not the kids. Way too cheesy. The last year of Voldy’s first war? Celebration of Baby Potter? Sirius/James at school?”

Eric: Hmm.

Andrew: Lots of good ideas.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: hayleymeghan wrote:

“Albus Severus and his whole first year at Hogwarts.”

catherine0186 wrote:

“The Marauders’ time at Hogwarts.”

ccsmith89 wrote:

“How James and Lily got together.”

[laughs] Here’s a good one. actiongir7 wrote:

“The House-Elf Chronicles.”

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: That would be funny. Timeline541 wrote:

“Something from Voldemort’s point of view, before he died obviously.”

10_nov wrote:

“Prequel, all the way! I want the Marauders’ backstory.”

So tons of great ideas. I mean, everybody’s got their own opinion. There’s no clear frontrunner, I would say.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: But if anybody wants to look at all the responses, you can just go to Twitter.com/MuggleCast – or just go to Twitter.com and do a search for “@MuggleCast” and then you can see all of our @ replies if you want to take a look at all of them.

Eric: Kind of a good poll question to ask.

Andrew: Yeah, definitely. Now, let’s go on to Muggle Mail. Micah, do you want to take the first one? The first one of our last year?

Micah: [laughs] You’re going to cause problems.

[Andrew laughs]


Muggle Mail: Snow in Hogsmeade


Micah: First one comes from Sabrina, 22, of Rostock, Germany and she says:

“I’m Sabrina, 22, from Germany and 2011 has been a very special year for me because I started listening to MuggleCast. You guys are awesome and I love listening to your show on my way to university. While watching ‘Deathly Hallows – Part 2’ on Christmas Eve (it was a Christmas present, in Germany we get our presents on Christmas Eve)…”

So take that, US.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: She didn’t say that.

“…I was wondering why there was so much snow in the Hogsmeade scene. The trio enters Hogsmeade and there is snow everywhere. The weird thing is it’s May so why would there be snow at that time of the year? And there is no snow in Hogwarts or in any other scene of the movie. I started thinking about the other Hogsmeade scenes in the other movies and realized that there is always snow when they get there. Seems like they only built a winter set and it just looked weird without snow or something. I just wondered what you guys think about this.”

She goes on to say:

“I’m very glad I finally found your podcast! Thank you guys, you help me improve my listening skills in English and as I’ll be an English teacher one day you’ll definitely be part of my literature classes.”

Andrew: Oh cool.

Micah: So that’s cool.

Andrew: Yeah, very nice.

Eric: Something to look forward to.

Andrew: I hate to say this answer, but I think it may be true. They wanted to look like the Wizarding World theme park does, so that when you go to the Wizarding World theme park you’re like, “Oh, I recognize this from the movie.”

Eric: I don’t know, I think – considering it’s only in the film for like five seconds, I don’t think anybody is going to make the connection and be like, “Oh, I got to go to the theme park so I can see that.” Because really the only scene in Hogsmeade is they’re hiding behind some barrels, so what is it about that that makes it – that they couldn’t do it in – because it is springtime, late springtime, heading into summer.

Micah: Yeah. I mean, unless it’s just a place that always has snow. I don’t know. I mean, is that the case in the books?

Eric: Well, no. I mean – yeah, what you’re asking is if Hogsmeade would be…

Andrew: Is like a climate…

Eric: …constantly enchanted to be snowy because it’s picturesque and Christmas-y.

Andrew: Well…

Eric: Which is possible because it could be a movie thing.

Andrew: But what about – let’s say that Hogsmeade is at a higher elevation in England as opposed to Hogwarts, so when it rains it’s always going to be snow.

Eric: Yeah. I mean, it makes sense except Hogsmeade is like a twenty minute walk from Hogwarts.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: So unless it’s like…

Andrew: Uphill.

Eric: …uphill on both ways…

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, up a hill and in the Alpine Valley of Scotland.

Micah: Well, what’s interesting – I mean, I think it’s just a movie thing because when they jump off the dragon, they get out of the water, they’re freezing cold, and then they Apparate to Hogsmeade. So it would make sense in that case that it would be snowing, or at least have some sort of cold weather out. But then I think you just get confused with the whole time elapsing, because – yeah, the final battle takes place in the spring, but for the point of this movie I think they just only created a set that had snow in it. I mean, I don’t really know. It is weird because there’s no snow on the grounds of Hogwarts once you get there.


Muggle Mail: Harry’s Grandparents


Andrew: Next e-mail comes from Ariane, 23, of Sydney, writing about Harry’s grandparents:

“Hey MuggleCast, just wanting to know your thoughts on Harry’s grandparents. From reading the book it seems that both sides of grandparents are dead, however James Potter was only 21 when he died! Why do you think they are never mentioned much? Could Harry have gone to live with them?”

Micah: I remember her saying at some point that they just died naturally, that nothing specific happened to them. They weren’t killed by Voldemort or Death Eaters or anything like that, but they had passed on both sides by the time Harry had been born.

Andrew: Yeah, I don’t see what James’s young age at which he died has to do with it. But yeah, I’m sure that would make sense, that they just died of natural causes.

Micah: Yeah, I’m actually looking at it right now. What happened to Harry’s grandparents? She said:

“This takes us into more mundane territory. As a writer, it was more interesting plot-wise if Harry was completely alone so I rather ruthlessly disposed of his entire family apart from Aunt Petunia.”

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: [continues]

“I mean, James and Lily are massively important to the plot, of course, but the grandparents? No. And because I do like my backstory, Petunia and Lily’s parents: normal Muggle death. James’s parents were elderly, were getting on a little when he was born, which explains the only child, very pampered, had-him-late-in-life-so-he’s-an-extra-treasure, as often happens I think. They were old in wizarding terms and they died. They succumbed to a wizarding illness. That’s as far as it goes. There’s nothing serious or sinister about those deaths. I just needed them out of the way so I killed them.”


Muggle Mail: Seventh-Year Students


Andrew: That makes sense. That makes sense. And plus we would never get to see the Dursleys, so come on. I mean, we still would see the Dursleys but probably not as much if Harry were to be living with his grandparents. Next e-mail comes from Sarah, 17, of Nova Scotia, Canada:

“I know if I were to ask her a question I would ask about the state of Hogwarts post-war…”

This was in response to: If you could ask Jo a question, what would it be?

“…specifically what happened with the students who were in their seventh and final year at Hogwarts. I’ve been wondering lately about the trip since they didn’t even go to Hogwarts for their final year. How about you guys?”

Eric: I always felt bad for the – not only the seventh years but the first years. All the people who were there during Snape’s rule, that final year, because that was kind of like the year where it’s not at all like you would normally get in a year at Hogwarts. No matter what year it is, if it’s your first year or your last year there, do you think that they would have had to redo that year to get proper training for everybody? Or – because I mean, every year of Hogwarts is kind of crucial I think in terms of becoming a better wizard. If you were to ruin it with a year of Dark Arts instead, that would be a little weird, wouldn’t it?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: I mean, you’d feel like you only got one last year. But then there’s the fact that most wizards – or the wizards we heard about don’t even attend Hogwarts in their seventh year.

Andrew: Yeah. But why – I mean, he sort of – in Harry, Ron, and Hermione’s case they kind of proved themselves. But yeah, the other students, I don’t know. It’s kind of like that year when Dumbledore canceled the OWLs – or what did they cancel? Final examinations? So it’s just – it is a good question. We would have to ask Jo and I don’t know if she would give a very satisfactory answer. She couldn’t say, “Oh yeah, they all went back again.”

[Eric laughs]


Muggle Mail: Fiendfyre & “The Prince’s Tale” Scenes


Andrew: So there’s actually eight years at Hogwarts [laughs] in the cases of the students who we actually knew? Next e-mail is from Shona, 19, of Baltimore:

“I’m an original listener of the show. MuggleCast first came out before I started high school and I’m halfway through college now! Anyway, I just got around to re-watching ‘DH Part 2’ so my e-mail is in response to your commentary. First of all, I just wanted to point out to Eric that in the books as well, Fiendfyre is described to take the form of animals.”

And then she quotes:

“‘Now the fire was mutating, forming a gigantic pack of fiery beasts: Flaming serpents, chimaeras…”

[Andrew attempts to pronounce “chimaeras”]

Eric: Chimaera.

Andrew: Chimaeras?

“…and dragons rose and fell and rose again.’ Also, Micah brought up that he remembers hearing somewhere that ‘The Prince’s Tale’ scenes were shot while filming ‘HBP’. This was based on an interview with Michael Gambon where he claimed to only have shot King’s Cross scenes for this film. I agree with you guys that this seems unlikely. It’s possible Gambon just misspoke.”

I agree, he probably just misspoke. He had to have.


Muggle Mail: Thank You From Listener


Eric: Yeah, yeah, it doesn’t make any sense otherwise. And last e-mail – or no, not last e-mail. Next e-mail comes from Layla…

Andrew: It should be.

Eric: …age 23, [laughs] of LA:

“Hey guys. Long time, first time (smart Andrew).”

I guess she means that you came up with “Long time, first time.”

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: It’s long time listener, first time writer.

“I’ve been listening to you guys for the longest time with some gaps in the middle due to life taking a strenuous turn. I even remember there being a girl on this podcast! Anyways I just finished listening to your last podcast about a month late and I just felt the urge to write. I’m getting my teaching credential right now and started student teaching about a month ago and wow, was I in for a surprise! I come home drained of life and catching up on the podcast has been the best way for me to unwind and relax, and not think about the million things that are going wrong! Please don’t stop! Even if it’s once a month! Take care and thanks for the great shows.”

Andrew: Glad to hear that, Layla. That’s a good Chicken Soup. Glad to hear that, Layla. Happy to help you out. And she’s in LA, right next door to me.

Micah: Come say hi to Andrew.


Muggle Mail: Hogwarts Headmasters


Andrew: Yeah. Next e-mail comes from Jon, 17, of Buffalo. Micah, why don’t you read that one for us?

Micah: Sure. He says:

“Just a quick question I was thinking about: Who do you think is the headmaster of Hogwarts at the time of the epilogue? It could be McGonagall, but if she’s no longer around, is there anyone else we know about who would really be considered for that position? My money’s on Professor Flitwick. What do you guys think?”

Andrew: Hmm.

Eric: Hmm. Do you think it’s somebody we know or somebody we don’t know?

Andrew: Why would it be Flitwick? I would kind of be disappointed if it were Flitwick. I mean, Flitwick was never a headmaster’s right-hand man. I mean, McGonagall seemed to be Dumbledore’s right-hand woman, so it made sense for her to be headmaster. But I don’t know about Flitwick.

Micah: I don’t feel as if that was ever addressed though. I mean, it seemed like it would be a natural question because wasn’t Kingsley announced as the Minister of Magic? So it would make sense that there would be somebody who we know would take over that role, but I don’t know if she’s ever said explicitly who it is.

Eric: Well, in defense of Professor Flitwick, he was Head of House, wasn’t he?

Micah: Ravenclaw.

Eric: Wasn’t he the Head of – was he the Head of Ravenclaw?

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: I think it was. So yeah, I mean, if you’re the Head of Ravenclaw house, that kind of – I don’t know, seems like he would be a shoe in, have your foot in the door for headmaster role. But I don’t know, nineteen years later, that’s a long time to be teaching at Hogwarts. Twenty-five, twenty-six years, I don’t know. I’d get tired of the place if it kept having drama and explosions.


Muggle Mail: Albus Dumbledore


Andrew: Next e-mail is from Mason, 15, of North Carolina:

“Hey, I was just wondering if you guys thought Dumbledore was justified in being so manipulative? Do you think he could have handled certain things in a better way? Thanks guys, you’re doing a great job. Keep up the good work.”

This is a whole main discussion.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Please see the episode titled “Pig for Slaughter.”

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: Episode – God, 109 or something. 117, was it? 117 or 120, something like that. Just after the Book 7 release, we…

Andrew: 116.

Eric: 116, we discussed this in great detail.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Lead by Eric, I think.

Micah: Yeah, I think that…

Eric: Supported very well by you guys.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: You guys made the point. We could talk about that for an entire show but I think that’s what makes his character so great, is that he was flawed in that respect.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: Yeah, I think we all do think that he could have handled certain things in a better way, but he also handled them in exactly the way that he did and we kind of have to live with that. So…


Muggle Mail: Fluffy


Andrew: Next e-mail is from – the final e-mail is from AurorShield182, 26, of England:

“Was just wondering has JK Rowling ever said in an interview what happened to Fluffy after he was guarding the trapdoor in ‘Sorcerer’s Stone’.”

Eric: They put him down.

Andrew: I doubt that’s right.

Eric: I mean, if I had to guess, I’d say that Fluffy…

Andrew: Fluffy was released into the Forbidden Forest.

Micah: Yeah, there you go.

Andrew: And he ran free.

Eric: [laughs] What?!

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: [laughs] The Forbidden Forest does not need anymore crazy creatures in it.

Andrew: [laughs] But that’s exactly where he belongs.

Eric: Yeah, okay. Better than the zoo.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: But there’s got to be – but next to Hogwarts, still, a three-headed dog? That’s just one more reason not to wander into the forest.

Andrew: Yeah, but at least we do have an answer, so we know he’s hopefully safe there. Them, they are hopefully safe there. Three heads. Micah, could you read our Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul today to wrap up the show?


Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul


Micah: Sure. Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul comes from Anonymous, aged 18, from France, and he or she says:

“Hello MuggleCast, I was seven when my dad started reading ‘Sorcerer’s Stone’ to me, a chapter at a time before bed. I think we read Books 1 to 4 that way and I read the others on my own, excluding the seventh book which my sister and I read aloud to each other so that neither of us would know what happened to Harry before the other one. Of course she later admitted to me she cheated, staying up all night to finish the book before me. I’m sure you get loads of e-mails like this from people about my age saying the same thing but I’m going to say it anyway: For me ‘Harry Potter’ truly defined my childhood. When I saw the final movie in theaters, I felt not only that it meant the ending of an era, but also the ending of such an definitive part of my childhood and perhaps even my childhood itself. I couldn’t have been more wrong. I found out about you guys only this month and I couldn’t be more grateful. Listening to your podcast, realize…”

What?

Eric: I realized?

Micah: Yeah, I think. Okay.

“Listening to your podcast, I realized I couldn’t have been more wrong in thinking that the end of the movies and the books means the end of ‘Harry Potter’. You guys and the millions of other hardcore fans out there all know ‘Harry Potter’ is here for good. Thanks so much for reminding me of this.”

Andrew: Very nice.

Micah: Sorry there’s no name.

Andrew: [laughs] I blame the copy and paster.

[Eric laughs]


Announcement: New Game of Thrones Podcast


Andrew: Well, it’s been another very exciting show, the first one of 2012. I don’t know if you know this, guys, but we’re in our seventh year of Harry Potter podcasting.

Eric: Yeah. That’s pretty crazy.

Andrew: But coming soon – we’re always working on new things. Everybody’s like, “Oh, you guys don’t put out new episodes anymore.”

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Well, Micah has details about a new Game of Thrones podcast coming up from a couple of people you know on this show and more, right Micah?

Micah: Yeah, absolutely. I think – some people know that we started a website called Game of Owns, a play-off of Game of Thrones obviously, and we’re looking to start a podcast in the not-too-distant future and probably going to release its first episode in February. And it’s going to focus primarily I think on the TV show, and we’ll of course have bits and pieces from the book series but we’re going to start with the focus being on the new season of Game of Thrones which is on HBO April 1st. And Eric will be on it, myself, and a few other people that we’re working on the site with. So look forward to doing that and hopefully you guys are either fans or will become fans of the series as a result. So it should be a lot of fun.

Andrew: Yeah, absolutely.

Eric: Cool. Oh, I also…

Micah: And we’re working with Selina who works over on Hypable.

Andrew: She does the Game of Thrones news for us.

Micah: She does the Game of Thrones stuff, so yeah, there you go.

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: So it’ll be a joint venture.

Andrew: Yeah.


Announcement: Mischief Managed at Ascendio 2012


Eric: Also, it’s interesting that for the Favorites segment, people – Micah and I both felt that we’d like to hear more about the Marauders. There’s an upcoming musical that’s going to premiere at Ascendio in July. For those of you who are attending Ascendio, this musical is called Mischief Managed and it’s about Harry’s children finding the journals of James Potter and Sirius Black – their school journals, like their unknown school journals – and learning about what it was like when James and Sirius and Peter and Remus were at Hogwarts. It’s going to be a musical, and actually I happened to audition for the musical and I secured the role of James Potter. So…

Andrew: Congratulations.

Eric: Thank you! I’m so excited! It’s a really good musical. I just read the script last night actually, and it’s super exciting. It’s going to be a lot of fun. But that’s happening at Ascendio down at the Loews Portofino Bay Resort in July.

Andrew: Nice.

Eric: Just FYI.

Andrew: All right…

Micah: We’ll have all the details on what conventions we’ll be attending this summer probably…

Andrew: In a couple of months.

Micah: …in the next month or two. Yeah.


Show Close


Andrew: So check out MuggleCast.com. It has all the information you need about the show. You can click on the “Episodes” link at the top to get information about this and every other episode we have ever released in our seven years.

Eric: Ever.

Andrew: You’ll also find links to our Twitter which is Twitter.com/MuggleCast, our Facebook which is Facebook.com/MuggleCast, and our fan Tumblr which is MuggleCast.Tumblr.com. Still has too many Eric pictures for my liking, but that’s okay.

Eric: Yeah, yeah, I…

Andrew: Actually, it has been more balanced out.

[Show music begins]

Andrew: It has been more balanced out. [laughs] I’m completely kidding.

Eric: [laughs] No, that’s fine.

Andrew: Yeah, and that is that. So thanks everybody for listening! From Hypable.com, I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: From MuggleNet.com, I’m Eric Scull.

Micah: And I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Andrew: See everyone next time for Episode 249! Goodbye!

Eric: It’s time to start planning 250, shouldn’t we?

Andrew: Yeah.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: That’s kind of a big episode.

[Show music continues]


Blooper: Micah’s Confession


Micah: The real reason is that’s the song I got a lap dance to at my friend’s bachelor party. [laughs] But…

Andrew: Oh my God! [laughs]

Micah: That’s the part… [laughs]

Eric: Oh, you can’t say that on the show!

Micah: What? No, you can cut that out.

Andrew: Yeah.


Blooper: Party Buses


Andrew: Wow.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Okay.

Micah: In New York City.

Eric: Wow.

Andrew: Wow, that’s cool.

Eric: Were you buckled?

Andrew: That’s pretty cool.

Eric: Was she buckled?

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: No, you don’t buckle up at a party bus!

Eric: It’s the law! Click it or ticket!

Andrew: Okay, let’s…

Micah: No.

Andrew: Yeah, they clicked.

Micah: We’ll talk about this after.

Andrew: They clicked, all right.

Eric: There’s a blooper.